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On January 31 2018 18:41 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2018 08:59 mderg wrote:On January 19 2018 08:51 darthfoley wrote:On January 19 2018 07:48 mderg wrote:On January 19 2018 05:11 darthfoley wrote:
Perhaps i'll town read HF for seeing what I see. But he's good enough to do that as either alignment. I shall come back to this later.
Town: Twat/Rels What makes Rels town? He has seen what I see and shares some similar opinions about specific things that would not be on a mafia's priorities list at this juncture in the game sounds kind of vague and bullshitty to me The above into under is maybe bad. He should want to lynch df.
Lots of time between both quotes I see now. Blah. Was afyer each other inn his filter.
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On January 19 2018 19:51 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2018 19:29 KelsierSC wrote:On January 19 2018 18:50 mderg wrote:
Trying to shortly summarize my thoughts on everyone
Twat: probably town
kmatt: no idea
Damerion: don't like his tunneling on damdred, could be scum
btdt: no idea
Mocsta: probably town, conversation with rsoultin looks like town on town argument
Rels: just latches onto the damdred wagon and his work is done
rsoultin: probably town
df: meh
damdred: leaning town
prplhz: no idea
Kelsier: leaning towads town very slightly
Holyflare: I would expect more from town hf but I always have him as scum I don't think a list like this is very good. In reality you have provided yourself a lot of outs to change opinion without putting forward anything new. Can you expand on df and explain why he is meh. The goal of that list was not to put out anything groundbrakingly new. It's a way to summarize and organize my thoughts. Everything df said (except the townread on Rels imo) kind of makes sense. But I had pretty much no idea what he said before going through his filter. So his play feels a bit off despite making logically sound arguments.
Maybe mderg is too right?
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On January 31 2018 18:43 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2018 18:41 Rels wrote:On January 31 2018 18:39 Koshi wrote:On January 18 2018 23:35 mderg wrote:On January 18 2018 23:29 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:On January 18 2018 23:18 mderg wrote:On January 18 2018 23:04 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:On January 18 2018 22:52 mderg wrote:
I'm really not sure what to make of this game... I don't have Damdred or Mocsta as scum right now.
Then what so you think of the game so far as it developed. What is your read on damdred? Mcosta rico? Generally? damdred I'm not sure about, I can see the point you made about him looking to agree with people of opposing views. On the other hand his defense doesn't seem like scum to me. The slightly illogical reasoning on the meta stuff just feels super townie to me. I also don't like the way Damerion has gone to attack Damdred. Immediately tunneling on Damdred based solely on meta. I don't know how much there actually is to the meta, though. (probably something at least). Mocsta, I feel showed the kind of openness I would expect town to have. Ok. So going off your filter. So would a list be like: Town: Me Mcosta Rico Rsoultin Mafia: Hf? Confused: Damerion I'm just now worrying about you cause after reading your filter, you seem to be unwilling to commit to anything as well and apart from me and now Mcosta Rico, you haven't taken a strong stance on anything. How do you get hf in the mafia pile from my filter? I'd much rather put Damerion in that. Like I said, I don't know what to make off this game which is somewhat annoying Last sentence is so baller if you are bussing. Why ? What is baller about "I don't know what to make off this game which is somewhat annoying" ? Ifhe is mafia with df and damerion he is bussing both teammates. It is pretty awesome if you can then pretend that you are completely clueless. If I was mafia bussing I would pretend I knew everything. Because that is your mindset then. I like the tactic.
not convinced by that. Don't think it makes him town or scum.
And apparently he got sure fast, 'cause after D1 his reads basically didn't budge again until now.
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On January 19 2018 18:32 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2018 16:08 Mocsta wrote:
Tell me, does this fit within your knowledge of how damdred plays?
Everything about him to me reads as measured and carefully considered.. proofing before posting possibly more than twice. Everything is INTENTIONAL...
That's really not the impression I've got from his play
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On January 31 2018 18:47 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2018 19:51 mderg wrote:On January 19 2018 19:29 KelsierSC wrote:On January 19 2018 18:50 mderg wrote:
Trying to shortly summarize my thoughts on everyone
Twat: probably town
kmatt: no idea
Damerion: don't like his tunneling on damdred, could be scum
btdt: no idea
Mocsta: probably town, conversation with rsoultin looks like town on town argument
Rels: just latches onto the damdred wagon and his work is done
rsoultin: probably town
df: meh
damdred: leaning town
prplhz: no idea
Kelsier: leaning towads town very slightly
Holyflare: I would expect more from town hf but I always have him as scum I don't think a list like this is very good. In reality you have provided yourself a lot of outs to change opinion without putting forward anything new. Can you expand on df and explain why he is meh. The goal of that list was not to put out anything groundbrakingly new. It's a way to summarize and organize my thoughts. Everything df said (except the townread on Rels imo) kind of makes sense. But I had pretty much no idea what he said before going through his filter. So his play feels a bit off despite making logically sound arguments. Maybe mderg is too right?
yeah that's why I thought he was town for a long time. Called everything I thought before I even thought it. In retrospect it might be TMI.
Look out for how he always sheeps the dominant player while not making waves and not digging too much.
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On January 20 2018 05:15 mderg wrote:
I'm not liking that I more and more like how Rels is posting
It is true that Rels is his only town scumread. So mderg backing off here might be tactical.
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On January 19 2018 21:04 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2018 20:39 KelsierSC wrote:
I guess BTDT works as a lynch . I suppose he has a high chance of flipping scum.
Mderg you are here , what do you think about a BTDT lynch? I could consolidate on a btdt lynch
Hmm mderg plays good as mafia. Knows when to back off from bussing if the opportunity arises. Dont know if this wagon happened. But mderg is good at not overcommiting to the bus.
Blahhhh
I cant lynch somebody like this.
Like maybe in lylo or if JAT told me.
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On January 20 2018 07:44 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2018 07:38 Rels wrote:On January 20 2018 07:30 rsoultin wrote:On January 20 2018 07:26 Rels wrote:On January 20 2018 07:23 rsoultin wrote:
Damerion's first game comes closest to actually matching Holyflare's characterization. Extremely good reads there, mafia team call outs early. Still not the one at a time to exclusion of everyone else bit, but solid.
Lol it's funny rels cause my thought is I kind of want to lynch Damerion >> I just...why the fuck mischaracterize something so easy to check in hf's case? no this doesn't prove anything, HF thinks this is true whatver alignment he is. But he's so focused on Damdred for something so minor. So sure. And then when Damdred comes and says BTDT is town, automatically they're a team. And then this whole pointless debate about him being at work, which goes nowhere. Just a pointless discussion in which he argues just to win the debate, just like he does as scum. Well, I'm not townreading him for sure. But I want to consolidate on not-Damdred so... That's everyone on my original list of seven except you if I remember correctly. Who I'd vote over Damdred. I still don't like darth foley really but I remember not liking him anyway as town so that should be taken with a grain of salt. Damerion though...this doesn't read like his last three town games at all. And the meta's being applied wrong. I think I'd prefer his lynch over everyone now >< yeah I also don't like Damerion. In addition to what I've said earlier I didn't like that he came back just to tunnel Damdred some more. When in the other games I skimmed earlier he seemed to always have a more global view in mind From what I've seen his extreme confidence in his early scumread is pretty similar to his past games. He didn't tunnel as much but it doesn't seem that off. I don't like his case and tunnel on damdred at all but his meta seems to be in line with his past games to me.
Rsoultin was on the money here.
Rels added fuel if he was mafia.
Mderg did damage control as mafia.
Bad points for mderg?
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Pff those big posts from mderg later on though...
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nothing impossibe. Unless it's against his meta, but I remember him saying he has a pretty good scumgame. Something else to check in lunchbreak.
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and it's only effort. It's not towntells. You playing now is towntells not because of effort, but because how you're doing it. Effort means nothing, unless he has a meta of being like Vivax as scum.
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On January 31 2018 18:15 Rels wrote:
I beginning to think it's mderg. Always cold logical throughout the whole game. Pocketed me for that all game. But always behind someone's lynch. Always agreeing with someone else, and pushing without taking risks. Damerion with rsoul D2, Damerion with everyone else D3, HF with me D4. With Kmatt as a backup. And now that I'm under attack, that's my turn. That would make sense.
The moment I stop having you as 99% town you leave my side 
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thinking about it.
What's the query in that post ?
On January 31 2018 16:14 Mocsta wrote:I find this Day1 sequence of events quite fascinating. Rels does not agree that DF BTDT read is for valid reasons. He has already switched from Damdred to BTDT. So Damdred request to vote DF, should trigger an investigatory mindset with Rels. - Instead, this is brushed off, with "we have a few hours" and never revisited. Rels agrees with RSoultin that Damdred is not a good lynch option. DF requests info from Rels. And this comes across as if he is correcting DF, rather than discering why the logic is wrong. Again, an investigatory mindset should be triggered.. in particular because of the Damdred comment prior. Some back/forth with HF, causes Rels to swap votes back to Damdred. The anotehr last minute swap. ----------------- Show nested quote +On January 20 2018 04:43 darthfoley wrote:
The fact that like 4 people are agreeing with my scum read on BTDT while also pushing me is scummy as fuck. Show nested quote +On January 20 2018 04:55 Rels wrote:
Your BTDT read is not very good TBH. We both didn't like the same post but I don't think your reasons to scumread BTDT are very good. Show nested quote +On January 20 2018 04:58 Conversion wrote:
Day One Vote Count
Damdred (4): Damerion, Holyflare, TheTwatyEvildoer, Rels, Mocsta
beentheredonethat (5): rsoultin, KelsierSC, mderg, Rels, darthfoley
Not Voting (4): Kmatt, beentheredonethat, damdred, prplhz
Show nested quote +On January 20 2018 05:17 Damdred wrote:
need two more votes on df fast, or he will save himself and im lynched. Show nested quote +On January 20 2018 05:55 Rels wrote:On January 20 2018 05:49 rsoultin wrote:On January 20 2018 05:43 Damerion wrote:On January 20 2018 05:33 rsoultin wrote:On January 20 2018 05:26 Damerion wrote:
Just got off shift, apologies.
Listen to me, yes it is possible I am tunneled upon my friend Damdred. However look at his actions around this lynch.
He has no interactions with BTDT, no interactions with Mocsta, No real interactions with DarthFoley.
And yet someone who thrives on interactions and town hunting has no dynamic shifts in his reads. And yet has come up with these reads that do not change and he pushes withbsupreme confidence.
This is not the day one Damdred who flip flops and changes with the wind.
Also look at how he is handling the lynch, he just wants to get the vote knto Darthfoley and secure it away from himself without encouraging discussion.
I understand I am hyper focused but if you look at my past games I am generally right. So please follow me. You! I need a game where you've used this meta read before. Not specifically the 'like' bit. Your last game with him you focused on him a bit, but I saw nothing to indicate a meta way of reading him that you resort to so early in the game as you did this one. And I can't be assed to go back through every game people play. Also, you're wrong on bussing. Forget the name of the game, but Damdred and Glowingbear bussed the shit out of each other in it to the point of being entirely detrimental to themselves and not knowing when to stop. Bussing is part of his scum play and a stated effort to change that doesn't mean he wouldn't buss, and doesn't invalidate a claim that he busses by any stretch. I do not believe I have ever used this exact meta read on Damdred before as it was something I picked out after he tricked me as scum last game we played. And also I quit focusing on him after he accidently killed TickTock (I believe). Generally speaking even without the flimsy meta of "like" that Damdred claims to have diacovered. The case has merits based on his response. Refusal to really reevaluate reads which he does so well normally and him trying to sew up a lynch so early. And your explanation for his not just jumping on btdt? I'd like to see how you built your meta case if it's entirely on that game in November. Well, obviously it couldn't be, because you'd also need town games. See what bugs me here is I have played with Damdred many times. I too have a meta way of reading him generally. And while some of your details are correct, we're reaching different conclusions. And you came out hard. Like you have a rock solid meta read on Damdred, tried and true, you know your shit, he's scum, period. For something just created from last game that's a ton of certainty when the game had barely started. It tickles my bullshit meter. So please walk me through it. this is a pretty sexy post Show nested quote +On January 20 2018 06:15 darthfoley wrote:
Also @rels can you expand on why my read on BTDT is correct but the reasons are wrong? Specifically please. Show nested quote +On January 20 2018 06:56 Rels wrote:Sure. You attacked him for 2 things: his HF read progression and because he said something like "let's lynch some AFK". + Show Spoiler +On January 19 2018 05:02 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2018 18:56 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 18 2018 18:39 mderg wrote:On January 18 2018 18:30 rsoultin wrote:On January 18 2018 18:24 mderg wrote:
I guess I shouldn't follow the general trend of making 1 or 2 posts and then disappearing into nothingness.
some minor townie points for rsoultin actually trying to play this game btw Much as that just warms me up inside, I'm way more interested on your thoughts on just about anything else this game. (Also, this is post #2. You haven't broken the cycle yet.) I'm out. Better things to do than stalk a half-dead thread. I'm disappointed in hf because the hf I know would be at 10 pages of filter right now. Mocsta looks like a crazy person, doesn't tell me anything about his alignment. Maybe someone has some meta knowledge. Everything else is a big ball of nothingness to me. Its a normal start for HF, youre giving him too much credit. No reason to be disappointed. The whole thing feels weird. Tina is having a good start, I like her. I also like hfs cream joke since it feels genuine, but that's pretty nai. Im eager to call out afkers and place some votes upon them to get them playing. BTDT strikes me as someone who's sort of just drifted through the game so far. Granted his filter is only a few posts, but the posts themselves seem careful not to step on any toes. The progression in this post is scummy to me 1. It's a normal start for HF, you're giving him too much credit. 2. HF's cream joke "feels genuine" (implied town read) 3. But it's NAI (so why imply a town read 3 words beforehand?) It just feels like a whole lot of hedging on HF. Show nested quote +Im eager to call out afkers and place some votes upon them to get them playing. This is basically the safest thing mafia can do ever lol. It doesn't ruffle any feathers. Have pressuring AFK people ever actually worked? They're AFK because... they aren't following the game. He also then ignores his own advice and throws a scum read on Mocsta. I'm not understanding his thought progression at all - it's not his HF read "progression" that is a problem. There is no problem saying he feels a joke is kinda genuine, but being unsure about it. It was very early in the game. - two things on the second part. First, everybody knows being like "let's lynch an AFK" and being passive is scummy. Saying it doesn't make anyone scum. Second, you then undermine your own point, since you say he acts differently that he said; so he should be townie in your POV ? Show nested quote +On January 20 2018 08:01 Holyflare wrote:
And it's ridiculous that you say that because you're simultaneously accusing me of deflecting off df while saying I'm not actually pushing anything. So which is it?
In fact that's such a bull shit accusation I'm removing you from the top of the list and moving you down to where df used to be. Show nested quote +On January 20 2018 08:04 Rels wrote:
that makes no sense so whatever. You're still rambling pointlessly.
Explain to me why Damdred is scum because I don't see it. "Damdred's reaction" is not helpful. I don't see the "panic" you described yesterday in his reaction leading to eventually: & Show nested quote +On January 20 2018 08:58 Rels wrote:
meh Damdred as scum would be claiming
let's lynch BTDT
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On January 31 2018 19:29 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2018 18:15 Rels wrote:
I beginning to think it's mderg. Always cold logical throughout the whole game. Pocketed me for that all game. But always behind someone's lynch. Always agreeing with someone else, and pushing without taking risks. Damerion with rsoul D2, Damerion with everyone else D3, HF with me D4. With Kmatt as a backup. And now that I'm under attack, that's my turn. That would make sense. The moment I stop having you as 99% town you leave my side
the moment I start being lynchable you leave my side bro
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On January 31 2018 19:32 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2018 19:29 mderg wrote:On January 31 2018 18:15 Rels wrote:
I beginning to think it's mderg. Always cold logical throughout the whole game. Pocketed me for that all game. But always behind someone's lynch. Always agreeing with someone else, and pushing without taking risks. Damerion with rsoul D2, Damerion with everyone else D3, HF with me D4. With Kmatt as a backup. And now that I'm under attack, that's my turn. That would make sense. The moment I stop having you as 99% town you leave my side the moment I start being lynchable you leave my side bro
I was never by your side, though. I simply had a townread on you, you seemed to notice my hidden genius.
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On January 31 2018 19:31 Rels wrote:thinking about it. What's the query in that post ? Show nested quote +On January 31 2018 16:14 Mocsta wrote:I find this Day1 sequence of events quite fascinating. Rels does not agree that DF BTDT read is for valid reasons. He has already switched from Damdred to BTDT. So Damdred request to vote DF, should trigger an investigatory mindset with Rels. - Instead, this is brushed off, with "we have a few hours" and never revisited. Rels agrees with RSoultin that Damdred is not a good lynch option. DF requests info from Rels. And this comes across as if he is correcting DF, rather than discering why the logic is wrong. Again, an investigatory mindset should be triggered.. in particular because of the Damdred comment prior. Some back/forth with HF, causes Rels to swap votes back to Damdred. The anotehr last minute swap. ----------------- On January 20 2018 04:43 darthfoley wrote:
The fact that like 4 people are agreeing with my scum read on BTDT while also pushing me is scummy as fuck. On January 20 2018 04:55 Rels wrote:
Your BTDT read is not very good TBH. We both didn't like the same post but I don't think your reasons to scumread BTDT are very good. On January 20 2018 04:58 Conversion wrote:
Day One Vote Count
Damdred (4): Damerion, Holyflare, TheTwatyEvildoer, Rels, Mocsta
beentheredonethat (5): rsoultin, KelsierSC, mderg, Rels, darthfoley
Not Voting (4): Kmatt, beentheredonethat, damdred, prplhz
On January 20 2018 05:17 Damdred wrote:
need two more votes on df fast, or he will save himself and im lynched. On January 20 2018 05:46 Rels wrote:
we still have a few hours On January 20 2018 05:55 Rels wrote:On January 20 2018 05:49 rsoultin wrote:On January 20 2018 05:43 Damerion wrote:On January 20 2018 05:33 rsoultin wrote:On January 20 2018 05:26 Damerion wrote:
Just got off shift, apologies.
Listen to me, yes it is possible I am tunneled upon my friend Damdred. However look at his actions around this lynch.
He has no interactions with BTDT, no interactions with Mocsta, No real interactions with DarthFoley.
And yet someone who thrives on interactions and town hunting has no dynamic shifts in his reads. And yet has come up with these reads that do not change and he pushes withbsupreme confidence.
This is not the day one Damdred who flip flops and changes with the wind.
Also look at how he is handling the lynch, he just wants to get the vote knto Darthfoley and secure it away from himself without encouraging discussion.
I understand I am hyper focused but if you look at my past games I am generally right. So please follow me. You! I need a game where you've used this meta read before. Not specifically the 'like' bit. Your last game with him you focused on him a bit, but I saw nothing to indicate a meta way of reading him that you resort to so early in the game as you did this one. And I can't be assed to go back through every game people play. Also, you're wrong on bussing. Forget the name of the game, but Damdred and Glowingbear bussed the shit out of each other in it to the point of being entirely detrimental to themselves and not knowing when to stop. Bussing is part of his scum play and a stated effort to change that doesn't mean he wouldn't buss, and doesn't invalidate a claim that he busses by any stretch. I do not believe I have ever used this exact meta read on Damdred before as it was something I picked out after he tricked me as scum last game we played. And also I quit focusing on him after he accidently killed TickTock (I believe). Generally speaking even without the flimsy meta of "like" that Damdred claims to have diacovered. The case has merits based on his response. Refusal to really reevaluate reads which he does so well normally and him trying to sew up a lynch so early. And your explanation for his not just jumping on btdt? I'd like to see how you built your meta case if it's entirely on that game in November. Well, obviously it couldn't be, because you'd also need town games. See what bugs me here is I have played with Damdred many times. I too have a meta way of reading him generally. And while some of your details are correct, we're reaching different conclusions. And you came out hard. Like you have a rock solid meta read on Damdred, tried and true, you know your shit, he's scum, period. For something just created from last game that's a ton of certainty when the game had barely started. It tickles my bullshit meter. So please walk me through it. this is a pretty sexy post On January 20 2018 06:15 darthfoley wrote:
Also @rels can you expand on why my read on BTDT is correct but the reasons are wrong? Specifically please. On January 20 2018 06:56 Rels wrote:Sure. You attacked him for 2 things: his HF read progression and because he said something like "let's lynch some AFK". + Show Spoiler +On January 19 2018 05:02 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2018 18:56 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 18 2018 18:39 mderg wrote:On January 18 2018 18:30 rsoultin wrote:On January 18 2018 18:24 mderg wrote:
I guess I shouldn't follow the general trend of making 1 or 2 posts and then disappearing into nothingness.
some minor townie points for rsoultin actually trying to play this game btw Much as that just warms me up inside, I'm way more interested on your thoughts on just about anything else this game. (Also, this is post #2. You haven't broken the cycle yet.) I'm out. Better things to do than stalk a half-dead thread. I'm disappointed in hf because the hf I know would be at 10 pages of filter right now. Mocsta looks like a crazy person, doesn't tell me anything about his alignment. Maybe someone has some meta knowledge. Everything else is a big ball of nothingness to me. Its a normal start for HF, youre giving him too much credit. No reason to be disappointed. The whole thing feels weird. Tina is having a good start, I like her. I also like hfs cream joke since it feels genuine, but that's pretty nai. Im eager to call out afkers and place some votes upon them to get them playing. BTDT strikes me as someone who's sort of just drifted through the game so far. Granted his filter is only a few posts, but the posts themselves seem careful not to step on any toes. The progression in this post is scummy to me 1. It's a normal start for HF, you're giving him too much credit. 2. HF's cream joke "feels genuine" (implied town read) 3. But it's NAI (so why imply a town read 3 words beforehand?) It just feels like a whole lot of hedging on HF. Show nested quote +Im eager to call out afkers and place some votes upon them to get them playing. This is basically the safest thing mafia can do ever lol. It doesn't ruffle any feathers. Have pressuring AFK people ever actually worked? They're AFK because... they aren't following the game. He also then ignores his own advice and throws a scum read on Mocsta. I'm not understanding his thought progression at all - it's not his HF read "progression" that is a problem. There is no problem saying he feels a joke is kinda genuine, but being unsure about it. It was very early in the game. - two things on the second part. First, everybody knows being like "let's lynch an AFK" and being passive is scummy. Saying it doesn't make anyone scum. Second, you then undermine your own point, since you say he acts differently that he said; so he should be townie in your POV ? On January 20 2018 08:01 Holyflare wrote:
And it's ridiculous that you say that because you're simultaneously accusing me of deflecting off df while saying I'm not actually pushing anything. So which is it?
In fact that's such a bull shit accusation I'm removing you from the top of the list and moving you down to where df used to be. On January 20 2018 08:04 Rels wrote:
that makes no sense so whatever. You're still rambling pointlessly.
Explain to me why Damdred is scum because I don't see it. "Damdred's reaction" is not helpful. I don't see the "panic" you described yesterday in his reaction leading to eventually: On January 20 2018 08:41 Rels wrote:
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meh Damdred as scum would be claiming
let's lynch BTDT ok, query was wrong word.
moreso, I thought this series of observations would have at least raised a reply of some form.
re: koshi.. i get the narrative that mderg is raised to #1 Rels suspect; which lowers koshi suspcion levels
but... i dont get any understanding of why suddenly that defaults to him being town.. especialy when mderg is not hard scum in your eyes.
he has effort but its how he is doing it, means nothign to me... especially since i agreed with your statement that much of it is easy to fake/superficial.
i dont see how in 11hrs you go about face... pocketing, no?
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On January 31 2018 19:36 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2018 19:31 Rels wrote:thinking about it. What's the query in that post ? On January 31 2018 16:14 Mocsta wrote:I find this Day1 sequence of events quite fascinating. Rels does not agree that DF BTDT read is for valid reasons. He has already switched from Damdred to BTDT. So Damdred request to vote DF, should trigger an investigatory mindset with Rels. - Instead, this is brushed off, with "we have a few hours" and never revisited. Rels agrees with RSoultin that Damdred is not a good lynch option. DF requests info from Rels. And this comes across as if he is correcting DF, rather than discering why the logic is wrong. Again, an investigatory mindset should be triggered.. in particular because of the Damdred comment prior. Some back/forth with HF, causes Rels to swap votes back to Damdred. The anotehr last minute swap. ----------------- On January 20 2018 04:43 darthfoley wrote:
The fact that like 4 people are agreeing with my scum read on BTDT while also pushing me is scummy as fuck. On January 20 2018 04:55 Rels wrote:
Your BTDT read is not very good TBH. We both didn't like the same post but I don't think your reasons to scumread BTDT are very good. On January 20 2018 04:58 Conversion wrote:
Day One Vote Count
Damdred (4): Damerion, Holyflare, TheTwatyEvildoer, Rels, Mocsta
beentheredonethat (5): rsoultin, KelsierSC, mderg, Rels, darthfoley
Not Voting (4): Kmatt, beentheredonethat, damdred, prplhz
On January 20 2018 05:17 Damdred wrote:
need two more votes on df fast, or he will save himself and im lynched. On January 20 2018 05:46 Rels wrote:
we still have a few hours On January 20 2018 05:55 Rels wrote:On January 20 2018 05:49 rsoultin wrote:On January 20 2018 05:43 Damerion wrote:On January 20 2018 05:33 rsoultin wrote:On January 20 2018 05:26 Damerion wrote:
Just got off shift, apologies.
Listen to me, yes it is possible I am tunneled upon my friend Damdred. However look at his actions around this lynch.
He has no interactions with BTDT, no interactions with Mocsta, No real interactions with DarthFoley.
And yet someone who thrives on interactions and town hunting has no dynamic shifts in his reads. And yet has come up with these reads that do not change and he pushes withbsupreme confidence.
This is not the day one Damdred who flip flops and changes with the wind.
Also look at how he is handling the lynch, he just wants to get the vote knto Darthfoley and secure it away from himself without encouraging discussion.
I understand I am hyper focused but if you look at my past games I am generally right. So please follow me. You! I need a game where you've used this meta read before. Not specifically the 'like' bit. Your last game with him you focused on him a bit, but I saw nothing to indicate a meta way of reading him that you resort to so early in the game as you did this one. And I can't be assed to go back through every game people play. Also, you're wrong on bussing. Forget the name of the game, but Damdred and Glowingbear bussed the shit out of each other in it to the point of being entirely detrimental to themselves and not knowing when to stop. Bussing is part of his scum play and a stated effort to change that doesn't mean he wouldn't buss, and doesn't invalidate a claim that he busses by any stretch. I do not believe I have ever used this exact meta read on Damdred before as it was something I picked out after he tricked me as scum last game we played. And also I quit focusing on him after he accidently killed TickTock (I believe). Generally speaking even without the flimsy meta of "like" that Damdred claims to have diacovered. The case has merits based on his response. Refusal to really reevaluate reads which he does so well normally and him trying to sew up a lynch so early. And your explanation for his not just jumping on btdt? I'd like to see how you built your meta case if it's entirely on that game in November. Well, obviously it couldn't be, because you'd also need town games. See what bugs me here is I have played with Damdred many times. I too have a meta way of reading him generally. And while some of your details are correct, we're reaching different conclusions. And you came out hard. Like you have a rock solid meta read on Damdred, tried and true, you know your shit, he's scum, period. For something just created from last game that's a ton of certainty when the game had barely started. It tickles my bullshit meter. So please walk me through it. this is a pretty sexy post On January 20 2018 06:15 darthfoley wrote:
Also @rels can you expand on why my read on BTDT is correct but the reasons are wrong? Specifically please. On January 20 2018 06:56 Rels wrote:Sure. You attacked him for 2 things: his HF read progression and because he said something like "let's lynch some AFK". + Show Spoiler +On January 19 2018 05:02 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2018 18:56 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 18 2018 18:39 mderg wrote:On January 18 2018 18:30 rsoultin wrote:On January 18 2018 18:24 mderg wrote:
I guess I shouldn't follow the general trend of making 1 or 2 posts and then disappearing into nothingness.
some minor townie points for rsoultin actually trying to play this game btw Much as that just warms me up inside, I'm way more interested on your thoughts on just about anything else this game. (Also, this is post #2. You haven't broken the cycle yet.) I'm out. Better things to do than stalk a half-dead thread. I'm disappointed in hf because the hf I know would be at 10 pages of filter right now. Mocsta looks like a crazy person, doesn't tell me anything about his alignment. Maybe someone has some meta knowledge. Everything else is a big ball of nothingness to me. Its a normal start for HF, youre giving him too much credit. No reason to be disappointed. The whole thing feels weird. Tina is having a good start, I like her. I also like hfs cream joke since it feels genuine, but that's pretty nai. Im eager to call out afkers and place some votes upon them to get them playing. BTDT strikes me as someone who's sort of just drifted through the game so far. Granted his filter is only a few posts, but the posts themselves seem careful not to step on any toes. The progression in this post is scummy to me 1. It's a normal start for HF, you're giving him too much credit. 2. HF's cream joke "feels genuine" (implied town read) 3. But it's NAI (so why imply a town read 3 words beforehand?) It just feels like a whole lot of hedging on HF. Show nested quote +Im eager to call out afkers and place some votes upon them to get them playing. This is basically the safest thing mafia can do ever lol. It doesn't ruffle any feathers. Have pressuring AFK people ever actually worked? They're AFK because... they aren't following the game. He also then ignores his own advice and throws a scum read on Mocsta. I'm not understanding his thought progression at all - it's not his HF read "progression" that is a problem. There is no problem saying he feels a joke is kinda genuine, but being unsure about it. It was very early in the game. - two things on the second part. First, everybody knows being like "let's lynch an AFK" and being passive is scummy. Saying it doesn't make anyone scum. Second, you then undermine your own point, since you say he acts differently that he said; so he should be townie in your POV ? On January 20 2018 08:01 Holyflare wrote:
And it's ridiculous that you say that because you're simultaneously accusing me of deflecting off df while saying I'm not actually pushing anything. So which is it?
In fact that's such a bull shit accusation I'm removing you from the top of the list and moving you down to where df used to be. On January 20 2018 08:04 Rels wrote:
that makes no sense so whatever. You're still rambling pointlessly.
Explain to me why Damdred is scum because I don't see it. "Damdred's reaction" is not helpful. I don't see the "panic" you described yesterday in his reaction leading to eventually: On January 20 2018 08:41 Rels wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote Damdred & On January 20 2018 08:58 Rels wrote:
meh Damdred as scum would be claiming
let's lynch BTDT ok, query was wrong word. moreso, I thought this series of observations would have at least raised a reply of some form. re: koshi.. i get the narrative that mderg is raised to #1 Rels suspect; which lowers koshi suspcion levels but... i dont get any understanding of why suddenly that defaults to him being town.. especialy when mderg is not hard scum in your eyes. he has effort but its how he is doing it, means nothign to me... especially since i agreed with your statement that much of it is easy to fake/superficial. i dont see how in 11hrs you go about face... pocketing, no?
Don't have much to say. I would arguee that me reverting my townread on Damdred shows a will to solve the game. I explained why I couldn't switch back to DF here:
On January 31 2018 18:09 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2018 16:25 justanothertownie wrote:On January 31 2018 16:14 Mocsta wrote:I find this Day1 sequence of events quite fascinating. Rels does not agree that DF BTDT read is for valid reasons. He has already switched from Damdred to BTDT. So Damdred request to vote DF, should trigger an investigatory mindset with Rels. - Instead, this is brushed off, with "we have a few hours" and never revisited. Rels agrees with RSoultin that Damdred is not a good lynch option. DF requests info from Rels. And this comes across as if he is correcting DF, rather than discering why the logic is wrong. Again, an investigatory mindset should be triggered.. in particular because of the Damdred comment prior. Some back/forth with HF, causes Rels to swap votes back to Damdred. The anotehr last minute swap. ----------------- On January 20 2018 04:43 darthfoley wrote:
The fact that like 4 people are agreeing with my scum read on BTDT while also pushing me is scummy as fuck. On January 20 2018 04:55 Rels wrote:
Your BTDT read is not very good TBH. We both didn't like the same post but I don't think your reasons to scumread BTDT are very good. On January 20 2018 04:58 Conversion wrote:
Day One Vote Count
Damdred (4): Damerion, Holyflare, TheTwatyEvildoer, Rels, Mocsta
beentheredonethat (5): rsoultin, KelsierSC, mderg, Rels, darthfoley
Not Voting (4): Kmatt, beentheredonethat, damdred, prplhz
On January 20 2018 05:17 Damdred wrote:
need two more votes on df fast, or he will save himself and im lynched. On January 20 2018 05:46 Rels wrote:
we still have a few hours On January 20 2018 05:55 Rels wrote:On January 20 2018 05:49 rsoultin wrote:On January 20 2018 05:43 Damerion wrote:On January 20 2018 05:33 rsoultin wrote:On January 20 2018 05:26 Damerion wrote:
Just got off shift, apologies.
Listen to me, yes it is possible I am tunneled upon my friend Damdred. However look at his actions around this lynch.
He has no interactions with BTDT, no interactions with Mocsta, No real interactions with DarthFoley.
And yet someone who thrives on interactions and town hunting has no dynamic shifts in his reads. And yet has come up with these reads that do not change and he pushes withbsupreme confidence.
This is not the day one Damdred who flip flops and changes with the wind.
Also look at how he is handling the lynch, he just wants to get the vote knto Darthfoley and secure it away from himself without encouraging discussion.
I understand I am hyper focused but if you look at my past games I am generally right. So please follow me. You! I need a game where you've used this meta read before. Not specifically the 'like' bit. Your last game with him you focused on him a bit, but I saw nothing to indicate a meta way of reading him that you resort to so early in the game as you did this one. And I can't be assed to go back through every game people play. Also, you're wrong on bussing. Forget the name of the game, but Damdred and Glowingbear bussed the shit out of each other in it to the point of being entirely detrimental to themselves and not knowing when to stop. Bussing is part of his scum play and a stated effort to change that doesn't mean he wouldn't buss, and doesn't invalidate a claim that he busses by any stretch. I do not believe I have ever used this exact meta read on Damdred before as it was something I picked out after he tricked me as scum last game we played. And also I quit focusing on him after he accidently killed TickTock (I believe). Generally speaking even without the flimsy meta of "like" that Damdred claims to have diacovered. The case has merits based on his response. Refusal to really reevaluate reads which he does so well normally and him trying to sew up a lynch so early. And your explanation for his not just jumping on btdt? I'd like to see how you built your meta case if it's entirely on that game in November. Well, obviously it couldn't be, because you'd also need town games. See what bugs me here is I have played with Damdred many times. I too have a meta way of reading him generally. And while some of your details are correct, we're reaching different conclusions. And you came out hard. Like you have a rock solid meta read on Damdred, tried and true, you know your shit, he's scum, period. For something just created from last game that's a ton of certainty when the game had barely started. It tickles my bullshit meter. So please walk me through it. this is a pretty sexy post On January 20 2018 06:15 darthfoley wrote:
Also @rels can you expand on why my read on BTDT is correct but the reasons are wrong? Specifically please. On January 20 2018 06:56 Rels wrote:Sure. You attacked him for 2 things: his HF read progression and because he said something like "let's lynch some AFK". + Show Spoiler +On January 19 2018 05:02 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2018 18:56 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 18 2018 18:39 mderg wrote:On January 18 2018 18:30 rsoultin wrote:On January 18 2018 18:24 mderg wrote:
I guess I shouldn't follow the general trend of making 1 or 2 posts and then disappearing into nothingness.
some minor townie points for rsoultin actually trying to play this game btw Much as that just warms me up inside, I'm way more interested on your thoughts on just about anything else this game. (Also, this is post #2. You haven't broken the cycle yet.) I'm out. Better things to do than stalk a half-dead thread. I'm disappointed in hf because the hf I know would be at 10 pages of filter right now. Mocsta looks like a crazy person, doesn't tell me anything about his alignment. Maybe someone has some meta knowledge. Everything else is a big ball of nothingness to me. Its a normal start for HF, youre giving him too much credit. No reason to be disappointed. The whole thing feels weird. Tina is having a good start, I like her. I also like hfs cream joke since it feels genuine, but that's pretty nai. Im eager to call out afkers and place some votes upon them to get them playing. BTDT strikes me as someone who's sort of just drifted through the game so far. Granted his filter is only a few posts, but the posts themselves seem careful not to step on any toes. The progression in this post is scummy to me 1. It's a normal start for HF, you're giving him too much credit. 2. HF's cream joke "feels genuine" (implied town read) 3. But it's NAI (so why imply a town read 3 words beforehand?) It just feels like a whole lot of hedging on HF. Show nested quote +Im eager to call out afkers and place some votes upon them to get them playing. This is basically the safest thing mafia can do ever lol. It doesn't ruffle any feathers. Have pressuring AFK people ever actually worked? They're AFK because... they aren't following the game. He also then ignores his own advice and throws a scum read on Mocsta. I'm not understanding his thought progression at all - it's not his HF read "progression" that is a problem. There is no problem saying he feels a joke is kinda genuine, but being unsure about it. It was very early in the game. - two things on the second part. First, everybody knows being like "let's lynch an AFK" and being passive is scummy. Saying it doesn't make anyone scum. Second, you then undermine your own point, since you say he acts differently that he said; so he should be townie in your POV ? On January 20 2018 08:01 Holyflare wrote:
And it's ridiculous that you say that because you're simultaneously accusing me of deflecting off df while saying I'm not actually pushing anything. So which is it?
In fact that's such a bull shit accusation I'm removing you from the top of the list and moving you down to where df used to be. On January 20 2018 08:04 Rels wrote:
that makes no sense so whatever. You're still rambling pointlessly.
Explain to me why Damdred is scum because I don't see it. "Damdred's reaction" is not helpful. I don't see the "panic" you described yesterday in his reaction leading to eventually: On January 20 2018 08:41 Rels wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote Damdred & On January 20 2018 08:58 Rels wrote:
meh Damdred as scum would be claiming
let's lynch BTDT Yes, initially (when I was just glancing over the game at times and wasn't playing yet) I thought the investment of Rels in the lynch was kinda towni. Knowing alignments I take issue with how he essentially jumped between the town lynches ignoring the mafia wagon. I would have voted DF if prp had voted DF. I couldnt' switch to DF when I didn't want to lynch Damdred 'cause that wouldn't have saved Damdred - only option was BTDT.
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