Newbie Student Mafia XXVIII - Page 89

On January 31 2018 08:40 mderg wrote:
I still don't like Rels' day1. Throwing around lots of suspicion, not following up with much substance. Pressure on df was kind of half-assed. Ended up hopping between the two town wagons. Would still lynch day1.

On January 31 2018 08:48 mderg wrote:

Day2 looks ok but not impressive because of lack of content. Sheeped rsoultin's damerion case. Not too much town cred, though because he could probably have switched to prplhz without much trouble.

On January 31 2018 09:07 Koshi wrote:
Ovwrall I would be suprised if both df and damerion talked so much about their teammate Mocsta.

Mderg has a low filter and it makes sense mafia doesnt talk about him if he is town. Just keep him alive and dont townclear him to the thread.
Mderg on the other hand talked about them. So I think it is more likely mafia ignored and didnt talk to town!mderg to draw less attention to them. And mderg probably didnt have enough weight in the thread to ve listened to by the vets.

Rels looks the worst because both the mafia didnt talk about him. And like I said before, Rels didnt prodded them enough. Rels even +1ed a good post against damerion early vut didnt take that into consideration later.


Conclusion is same as before. Rels is mafia.

On January 31 2018 09:03 mderg wrote:

Started the "twat might be scum" movement that went through the thread in night2. Reasoning behind that didn't look that great, backed off after a short time.
Damerion lynch was almost a foregone conclusion, starts holy crusade against Hf.

Would be sensible scum play, if we add some narrative.

On January 20 2018 05:26 Damerion wrote:
Just got off shift, apologies.

Listen to me, yes it is possible I am tunneled upon my friend Damdred. However look at his actions around this lynch.

He has no interactions with BTDT, no interactions with Mocsta, No real interactions with DarthFoley.

And yet someone who thrives on interactions and town hunting has no dynamic shifts in his reads. And yet has come up with these reads that do not change and he pushes withbsupreme confidence.

This is not the day one Damdred who flip flops and changes with the wind.

Also look at how he is handling the lynch, he just wants to get the vote knto Darthfoley and secure it away from himself without encouraging discussion.

I understand I am hyper focused but if you look at my past games I am generally right. So please follow me.

On January 21 2018 22:37 Mocsta wrote:
in hindsight .. i dont like this post
Note the capital No mid sentence.. reflects to me an importance om darthfoley

Want to hear more from this guy.

Tell me about mderg pls

On January 22 2018 21:47 Rels wrote:
lol it's so far fetched

On January 30 2018 20:11 Koshi wrote:
Rels you pocketed mderg really well. That is a job insanely nicely done. Never attacked him, and step by step gained his trust. 😄

On January 20 2018 04:43 darthfoley wrote:
The fact that like 4 people are agreeing with my scum read on BTDT while also pushing me is scummy as fuck.

On January 20 2018 04:55 Rels wrote:
Your BTDT read is not very good TBH. We both didn't like the same post but I don't think your reasons to scumread BTDT are very good.

On January 20 2018 04:58 Conversion wrote:
Day One Vote Count

Damdred (4): Damerion, Holyflare, TheTwatyEvildoer, Rels, Mocsta
beentheredonethat (5): rsoultin, KelsierSC, mderg, Rels, darthfoley

Not Voting (4): Kmatt, beentheredonethat, damdred, prplhz

On January 20 2018 05:17 Damdred wrote:
need two more votes on df fast, or he will save himself and im lynched.

On January 20 2018 05:46 Rels wrote:
we still have a few hours

On January 20 2018 05:55 Rels wrote:

this is a pretty sexy post

On January 20 2018 06:15 darthfoley wrote:
Also @rels can you expand on why my read on BTDT is correct but the reasons are wrong? Specifically please.

On January 20 2018 06:56 Rels wrote:
Sure. You attacked him for 2 things: his HF read progression and because he said something like "let's lynch some AFK".
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- it's not his HF read "progression" that is a problem. There is no problem saying he feels a joke is kinda genuine, but being unsure about it. It was very early in the game.
- two things on the second part. First, everybody knows being like "let's lynch an AFK" and being passive is scummy. Saying it doesn't make anyone scum. Second, you then undermine your own point, since you say he acts differently that he said; so he should be townie in your POV ?

On January 20 2018 08:01 Holyflare wrote:
And it's ridiculous that you say that because you're simultaneously accusing me of deflecting off df while saying I'm not actually pushing anything. So which is it?

In fact that's such a bull shit accusation I'm removing you from the top of the list and moving you down to where df used to be.

On January 20 2018 08:04 Rels wrote:
that makes no sense so whatever. You're still rambling pointlessly.
Explain to me why Damdred is scum because I don't see it. "Damdred's reaction" is not helpful. I don't see the "panic" you described yesterday in his reaction

On January 20 2018 08:58 Rels wrote:
meh Damdred as scum would be claiming
let's lynch BTDT

On January 31 2018 08:19 Mocsta wrote:
Koshi replaced in, what, a couple hours before deadline?
There is no way any replacement could meaningfully read the thread and draw conclusions.
The QT should be much more manageable.

So, when I woke up to see a replacement that is insta-calling me scum, and not in an OMGUS-way: My scum read on Kmatt/Koshi was amplified further.

In my mind I was testing whether Koshi was making kill selection on thread or QT strategy.
If BTDT was legitimately RB (which clearly now is the case) for being perceived as medic; I see him as a real threat to scum as another delay to LYLO should be default town win.

If BTDT was faking the RB, I would expect scum (inc. Koshi) to clasp onto the JAT notice and shoot him.
I mean, JAT being blue was so obvious from how he destroyed Damerion *AND* refused to discuss claims with BTDT.
I didnt see it as a risk to output this as a competent scum would be shooting him anyways.

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I have thought about it more and not sure its as telling as I had hoped.
BTDT could have been shot purely for being "confirmed town" and/or unpredictable.
BTDT could have been shot to focus on this type of discussion.

Right now, I need to evaluate what Koshi has contributed this cycle - vs. the kill selection.

On January 31 2018 16:14 Mocsta wrote:
I find this Day1 sequence of events quite fascinating.

Rels does not agree that DF BTDT read is for valid reasons.
He has already switched from Damdred to BTDT.
So Damdred request to vote DF, should trigger an investigatory mindset with Rels.
- Instead, this is brushed off, with "we have a few hours" and never revisited.

Rels agrees with RSoultin that Damdred is not a good lynch option.
DF requests info from Rels. And this comes across as if he is correcting DF, rather than discering why the logic is wrong.
Again, an investigatory mindset should be triggered.. in particular because of the Damdred comment prior.

Some back/forth with HF, causes Rels to swap votes back to Damdred.
The anotehr last minute swap.

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On January 31 2018 15:26 Mocsta wrote:
I have ctrl+f "mderg" in Rels filter, and he only starts dishing him praise during the HF lynch - when asked to give reads on players by JAT.

Why does not attacking someone equate to pocketing?

On January 31 2018 16:17 justanothertownie wrote:

Weird train of thought. Not really in a scummy way but how was Koshi supposed to be mafia if btdt fakeclaimed rb? Also I do not really follow entirely. Why did you post I was blue again? Did you actually think a mafia who reads the thread would be influenced by that?

The only reason btdt is a somewhat valid nightkill is because he was almost unlynchable due to the rb. Otherwise it was an utterly terrible kill. In my mind the only thing that speaks for an uninformed mafia (e. g. Koshi) is that I have trouble seeing aplayer who knows what's up thinking that btdt saved me considering how we clashed this game.

On January 31 2018 16:19 justanothertownie wrote:
It's so sad that Koshi learned to mafia at some point. A few years ago this would be town!Koshi 100 % of the time.