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Koshi

Belgium38799 Posts

January 31 2018 08:35 GMT

#1781

If I was mafia I would kill btdt because he wanted to kill me. The rb thing is a bonus.

Koshi

Belgium38799 Posts

January 31 2018 08:37 GMT

#1782

If Rels is mafia he made a huge mistake there. Well... anybody did. btdt has like a huge boner for me when he thinks I am mafia. It was a 100% vote on me

justanothertownie

16324 Posts

January 31 2018 08:47 GMT

#1783

On January 31 2018 17:35 Koshi wrote:
If I was mafia I would kill btdt because he wanted to kill me. The rb thing is a bonus.

Who cares. He isn't going to convince anybody.

Mocsta

Australia9388 Posts

January 31 2018 09:03 GMT

#1784

heres a q:

why would scum!rels argue with HFrelentlessly?

I dont see the purpose? wasnt it enough that he had majority vote?

justanothertownie

16324 Posts

January 31 2018 09:05 GMT

#1785

On January 31 2018 18:03 Mocsta wrote:
heres a q:

why would scum!rels argue with HFrelentlessly?

I dont see the purpose? wasnt it enough that he had majority vote?

Counter q: Why not?

Also it helps him because by tunneling so hard he can justify not giving any real analysis on the other players (which is what he did).

Rels

France13467 Posts

January 31 2018 09:06 GMT

#1786

On January 31 2018 09:07 Koshi wrote:
Ovwrall I would be suprised if both df and damerion talked so much about their teammate Mocsta.

Mderg has a low filter and it makes sense mafia doesnt talk about him if he is town. Just keep him alive and dont townclear him to the thread.
Mderg on the other hand talked about them. So I think it is more likely mafia ignored and didnt talk to town!mderg to draw less attention to them. And mderg probably didnt have enough weight in the thread to ve listened to by the vets.

Rels looks the worst because both the mafia didnt talk about him. And like I said before, Rels didnt prodded them enough. Rels even +1ed a good post against damerion early vut didnt take that into consideration later.

Conclusion is same as before. Rels is mafia.

that's wrong though. I was suspicious of Damerion since D1, and I conforted rsoul in her scumread on him:

On January 20 2018 07:08 Rels wrote:
I remember Damerion being impressive in one game, don't know which one. I don't remember him being tunneled on one dude though. Yet the totality of the posts he made this game are targeted at Damdred. He's so convinced, when I think he's partly wrong on his meta, with the part that Damdred is exagerating the fact that he busses all the time.

On January 20 2018 07:38 Rels wrote:

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yeah I also don't like Damerion. In addition to what I've said earlier I didn't like that he came back just to tunnel Damdred some more. When in the other games I skimmed earlier he seemed to always have a more global view in mind

This is also BS: "Rels even +1ed a good post against damerion early vut didnt take that into consideration later. ". If you're talking about D2, I voted him.

Rels

France13467 Posts

January 31 2018 09:09 GMT

#1787

On January 31 2018 16:25 justanothertownie wrote:

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On January 31 2018 16:14 Mocsta wrote:
I find this Day1 sequence of events quite fascinating.

Rels does not agree that DF BTDT read is for valid reasons.
He has already switched from Damdred to BTDT.
So Damdred request to vote DF, should trigger an investigatory mindset with Rels.
- Instead, this is brushed off, with "we have a few hours" and never revisited.

Rels agrees with RSoultin that Damdred is not a good lynch option.
DF requests info from Rels. And this comes across as if he is correcting DF, rather than discering why the logic is wrong.
Again, an investigatory mindset should be triggered.. in particular because of the Damdred comment prior.

Some back/forth with HF, causes Rels to swap votes back to Damdred.
The anotehr last minute swap.

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On January 20 2018 04:43 darthfoley wrote:
The fact that like 4 people are agreeing with my scum read on BTDT while also pushing me is scummy as fuck.

On January 20 2018 04:55 Rels wrote:
Your BTDT read is not very good TBH. We both didn't like the same post but I don't think your reasons to scumread BTDT are very good.

On January 20 2018 04:58 Conversion wrote:
Day One Vote Count

Damdred (4): Damerion, Holyflare, TheTwatyEvildoer, ~~Rels~~, Mocsta
beentheredonethat (5): rsoultin, KelsierSC, mderg, Rels, darthfoley

Not Voting (4): Kmatt, beentheredonethat, damdred, prplhz

On January 20 2018 05:17 Damdred wrote:
need two more votes on df fast, or he will save himself and im lynched.

On January 20 2018 05:46 Rels wrote:
we still have a few hours

On January 20 2018 05:55 Rels wrote:

On January 20 2018 05:49 rsoultin wrote:

On January 20 2018 05:43 Damerion wrote:

On January 20 2018 05:33 rsoultin wrote:

On January 20 2018 05:26 Damerion wrote:
Just got off shift, apologies.

Listen to me, yes it is possible I am tunneled upon my friend Damdred. However look at his actions around this lynch.

He has no interactions with BTDT, no interactions with Mocsta, No real interactions with DarthFoley.

And yet someone who thrives on interactions and town hunting has no dynamic shifts in his reads. And yet has come up with these reads that do not change and he pushes withbsupreme confidence.

This is not the day one Damdred who flip flops and changes with the wind.

Also look at how he is handling the lynch, he just wants to get the vote knto Darthfoley and secure it away from himself without encouraging discussion.

I understand I am hyper focused but if you look at my past games I am generally right. So please follow me.

You!

I need a game where you've used this meta read before. Not specifically the 'like' bit.

Your last game with him you focused on him a bit, but I saw nothing to indicate a meta way of reading him that you resort to so early in the game as you did this one. And I can't be assed to go back through every game people play.

Also, you're wrong on bussing. Forget the name of the game, but Damdred and Glowingbear bussed the shit out of each other in it to the point of being entirely detrimental to themselves and not knowing when to stop. Bussing is part of his scum play and a stated effort to change that doesn't mean he wouldn't buss, and doesn't invalidate a claim that he busses by any stretch.

I do not believe I have ever used this exact meta read on Damdred before as it was something I picked out after he tricked me as scum last game we played. And also I quit focusing on him after he accidently killed TickTock (I believe).

Generally speaking even without the flimsy meta of "like" that Damdred claims to have diacovered. The case has merits based on his response. Refusal to really reevaluate reads which he does so well normally and him trying to sew up a lynch so early.

And your explanation for his not just jumping on btdt?

I'd like to see how you built your meta case if it's entirely on that game in November. Well, obviously it couldn't be, because you'd also need town games.

See what bugs me here is I have played with Damdred many times. I too have a meta way of reading him generally. And while some of your details are correct, we're reaching different conclusions. And you came out hard. Like you have a rock solid meta read on Damdred, tried and true, you know your shit, he's scum, period. For something just created from last game that's a ton of certainty when the game had barely started. It tickles my bullshit meter.

So please walk me through it.

this is a pretty sexy post

On January 20 2018 06:15 darthfoley wrote:
Also @rels can you expand on why my read on BTDT is correct but the reasons are wrong? Specifically please.

On January 20 2018 06:56 Rels wrote:
Sure. You attacked him for 2 things: his HF read progression and because he said something like "let's lynch some AFK".
+ Show Spoiler +

On January 19 2018 05:02 darthfoley wrote:

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BTDT strikes me as someone who's sort of just drifted through the game so far. Granted his filter is only a few posts, but the posts themselves seem careful not to step on any toes.

The progression in this post is scummy to me
1. It's a normal start for HF, you're giving him too much credit.
2. HF's cream joke "feels genuine" (implied town read)
3. But it's NAI (so why imply a town read 3 words beforehand?)

It just feels like a whole lot of hedging on HF.

Show nested quote +

This is basically the safest thing mafia can do ever lol. It doesn't ruffle any feathers. Have pressuring AFK people ever actually worked? They're AFK because... they aren't following the game. He also then ignores his own advice and throws a scum read on Mocsta.

I'm not understanding his thought progression at all

- it's not his HF read "progression" that is a problem. There is no problem saying he feels a joke is kinda genuine, but being unsure about it. It was very early in the game.
- two things on the second part. First, everybody knows being like "let's lynch an AFK" and being passive is scummy. Saying it doesn't make anyone scum. Second, you then undermine your own point, since you say he acts differently that he said; so he should be townie in your POV ?

On January 20 2018 08:01 Holyflare wrote:
And it's ridiculous that you say that because you're simultaneously accusing me of deflecting off df while saying I'm not actually pushing anything. So which is it?

In fact that's such a bull shit accusation I'm removing you from the top of the list and moving you down to where df used to be.

On January 20 2018 08:04 Rels wrote:
that makes no sense so whatever. You're still rambling pointlessly.
Explain to me why Damdred is scum because I don't see it. "Damdred's reaction" is not helpful. I don't see the "panic" you described yesterday in his reaction

leading to eventually:

On January 20 2018 08:41 Rels wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote Damdred

On January 20 2018 08:58 Rels wrote:
meh Damdred as scum would be claiming
let's lynch BTDT

Yes, initially (when I was just glancing over the game at times and wasn't playing yet) I thought the investment of Rels in the lynch was kinda towni. Knowing alignments I take issue with how he essentially jumped between the town lynches ignoring the mafia wagon.

I would have voted DF if prp had voted DF. I couldnt' switch to DF when I didn't want to lynch Damdred 'cause that wouldn't have saved Damdred - only option was BTDT.

Rels

France13467 Posts

January 31 2018 09:10 GMT

#1788

Koshi is pretty townie though ...

Rels

France13467 Posts

January 31 2018 09:15 GMT

#1789

I beginning to think it's mderg. Always cold logical throughout the whole game. Pocketed me for that all game. But always behind someone's lynch. Always agreeing with someone else, and pushing without taking risks. Damerion with rsoul D2, Damerion with everyone else D3, HF with me D4. With Kmatt as a backup. And now that I'm under attack, that's my turn. That would make sense.

Rels

France13467 Posts

January 31 2018 09:19 GMT

#1790

Kmatt is textbook lynchbait.
Mocsta has some weird posts if he's posts.
mderg had great logic that I loved, but that's way easier to fake than going against the consensus to defend your teammate (Kmatt) or attack a logic everyone else agree upen (Mocsta). I think that's the answer.

Rels

France13467 Posts

January 31 2018 09:23 GMT

#1791

will have to check if that makes sense during lunch break. But it's starting to take form. All I remember from mderg's filter is perfect logic. But no risk, no sound. rsoul made a great case against Damerion, I pushed HF like crazy; mderg just sit back and agreed with it.

Rels

France13467 Posts

January 31 2018 09:27 GMT

#1792

even if I'm lynched it's Koshi / Mocsta / mderg. If Koshi is town I'm pretty sure we win that one.

Mocsta

Australia9388 Posts

January 31 2018 09:33 GMT

#1793

##Vote; Rels

Instead of addressing my day1 query.

starts to call koshi town and mderg scum... nice try

Koshi

Belgium38799 Posts

January 31 2018 09:33 GMT

#1794

Dnu about that lylo. I am not sure I would lynch mderg. And not sure Mocsta will as well.

Goddamn I read mderg 2 times already.

It is true his play is safe. Hmmm. I guess we need to meta read now... if he is more emotional as town. Because I have 0 meta in my head.

Rels

France13467 Posts

January 31 2018 09:37 GMT

#1795

On January 31 2018 18:33 Mocsta wrote:
##Vote; Rels

Instead of addressing my day1 query.

starts to call koshi town and mderg scum... nice try

You know, you can talk to me ... quote your query and I will answer it

Koshi

Belgium38799 Posts

January 31 2018 09:37 GMT

#1796

Mderg has the "I dont know what to make of this game yet " attitude early. Which is a bit more mafia than town.

Koshi

Belgium38799 Posts

January 31 2018 09:39 GMT

#1797

On January 18 2018 23:35 mderg wrote:

Show nested quote +

How do you get hf in the mafia pile from my filter? I'd much rather put Damerion in that.

Like I said, I don't know what to make off this game which is somewhat annoying

Last sentence is so baller if you are bussing.

Rels

France13467 Posts

January 31 2018 09:41 GMT

#1798

On January 31 2018 18:39 Koshi wrote:

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Last sentence is so baller if you are bussing.

Why ? What is baller about "I don't know what to make off this game which is somewhat annoying" ?

Koshi

Belgium38799 Posts

January 31 2018 09:41 GMT

#1799

On January 19 2018 08:59 mderg wrote:

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sounds kind of vague and bullshitty to me

The above into under is maybe bad. He should want to lynch df.

On January 19 2018 18:18 mderg wrote:
Can we just lynch Rels?

Koshi

Belgium38799 Posts

January 31 2018 09:43 GMT

#1800

On January 31 2018 18:41 Rels wrote:

Show nested quote +

Why ? What is baller about "I don't know what to make off this game which is somewhat annoying" ?

Ifhe is mafia with df and damerion he is bussing both teammates. It is pretty awesome if you can then pretend that you are completely clueless.

If I was mafia bussing I would pretend I knew everything. Because that is your mindset then.

I like the tactic.

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