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On April 08 2017 22:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I have very very mixed feelings about sicklucker. On the other hand almost nothing se says makes any logical sense to me (when we are talking about probabilities here - as in a mafia game nothing is certain). On the other hand his actions yesterday don't make much sense from mafia perspective, or like... ugh... they do but that is not something i would expect sicklucker to do as mafia. How he approaches the lynch and how he treats the situation as whole. Feels very lazy town. But idk. Maybe this is just sicklucker land?
His posts during the night haven't changed my mind. I think he's town based on his lack of mindset. But he'"s not lock town.
On April 08 2017 22:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Talk to me about your read on Tumblewood. You said he could be mafia, why?
Yeah he spent lots of posts yesterday talking about lynching me, when I was a simplke policy lynch. But what BTDT & others just said about Calix & Tumble being unlikely partners seemed good. I wanna fact check but it seemed convincing
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There are a couple of things that make me very certain of Tumblewood being town.
First thing is that he came out of me - sicklucker argument looking wayyyyyy better than Calix did. Basically Tumblewood had a clear view of hos wthings went and he was actually trying to do something instead of calling posts bad. Secondly i do not think both mafia attack me like that, since usually that never happens. Anddd it's a slippery slope since i usually get more accurate reads from the arguments towards the people who i am NOT arguing about (like here it would be not sicklucker but instead Calix and Tumble). The third thing is the whole townread on Calix he got from the argument doesn't make any sense if they are mafia together since you'd know that's a very shitty read - and you can get called out for it. I think it is just way more likely he saw Calix "mindmelding" with him and thought it makes her town.
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On April 08 2017 09:36 Tumblewood wrote:
no reason for me to still be voting rels. shapelog vs calix is a tossup imo, given that calix can't be bothered to show up as soon as she's scumread. but I'll stick back on shape for now because I doubt town!shape clears himself later more likely than town!calix
Actually this is a very very bad post.
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Yeah the mindmeld thing is what makes them unlikely partners
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But i don't like the post i quoted. Meh idk which is stronger?
Like the post has nothing to do with who is mafia and who is not, it's a cheap way to decide where to place your vote without and actual reasoning.
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On April 08 2017 14:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why was your vote where it was? All of you four.
Even tho i was fine either either or, I did prefer tumble. I was debating switching to the calix wagon a hour "before" the day was over to help stop any shenanigans from happening (since there was obv debate over tumble, and I wanted one of them to be lynched) but then she flipped scum a hour before the VC stated so.
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On April 08 2017 23:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
But i don't like the post i quoted. Meh idk which is stronger?
Like the post has nothing to do with who is mafia and who is not, it's a cheap way to decide where to place your vote without and actual reasoning.
Depends on how much you think scum!tumble would be willing to agree to posting those posts with calix with.
Like i said in the post after the flip, I hate his posts so far but I dont see scum!tumble doing what he did. Perhaps I am reading into the associating of it too much, but I just dont see it after the flip confirming calix as scum. I would think he would be less incline to post what he did or not as much as what he did. Maybe the first one or what not, but due to the timing and thread views on calix, it just doesn't make sense.
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Here:
On April 07 2017 01:24 Shapelog wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2017 01:22 Koshi wrote:
He is. There is no way mafia does it like that.
And you all misjudge Calix her play. She saw something to whine about and did it, to fake activity and not to solve this game. That she was capable to notice bad posts to pressure is good for her.
Doesnt matter game is still young. You'll all figure it out. Well lets move on from this then (since this is a stalemate) Outside of Calix world, how do you feel about the rest of the pot.
On April 07 2017 05:20 Shapelog wrote:
Indeed she doesn't. You can infer she has a issue with Koshi, but that is it in reads. BTDT read went away after the misunderstanding post and then the koshi stuff started.
Not enough to flip my view on her though, especially with the time.
On April 07 2017 05:50 Shapelog wrote:
Wow i'm slow.
It actually took Darth's comment about the reads for me to figure out the majority of koshi's stance/points. I see what he means with the suck up thing, but i fully agree still with it. The other stuff does make some sense now looking at it. Does actually help clear up koshi's mindset rn for me over calix.
On April 07 2017 06:47 Shapelog wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2017 06:20 Koshi wrote:On April 07 2017 06:10 Shapelog wrote:On April 07 2017 05:59 Koshi wrote:
Oh goodie.
I'll explain the sucking up better. Btw I am on phone so that's why I am even moreincomprehensible as normal.
rayn is an vast entity as town. You prefer to not annoy him. But if he says dumb shit, you can get a 1up on him by engaging him in a conversation you cant lose as mafia. But I think that a town Calix, brave as she is, would get past his dumb shit, and solve the game, force rayn to get past his dumb shit if needed, or poke the bear and call him mafia. But she didnt. So that is why I said she was sucking up to him. Ah that is why. See if you explained this about ryan earlier I might of been able to piece it together lol. I'm going to reread that section. Question tho, have they played together tho? While I know normally is good to get a one up in general (and she would too), this does have a part with it being ryan we are talking about. Yes. They are familiar. Read ot and imagine if there is a banana on the table and calix and rayn ars standing before it and rayns says "Well I dont know what that is but maybe it is an apple" And calix is like: But it is yellow, why is it an apple? But it is long, an apple is not long.. But it isnt something round, apples are normally round. I cant now think about the conversation seriously now because im laughing bc im picturing that instead with the posts. How is any of this alignment-indicative? ELI5. It is because it doesn't make any fucking sense. But how does that make it mafia?? Because it doesn't make any fucking sense.
So here is the conversation between Shapelog and Koshi about Calix. First post "let's do something else". Other posts "i understand Koshi but it doesn't make Calix mafia".
Now let's assume Shapelog believes what he writes there. Then it goes into this:
On April 08 2017 02:29 Shapelog wrote:Show nested quote +
1.Tumblewood
2.Calix
3.Rels
4.Shapelog
5.sicklucker
6.beentheredonethat
7.raynpelikoneet
8.Koshi
9.darthfoley
Where I am at kinda. Honestly feel like I am missing something tbh
Suddenly Calix is mafia?!?!? That's not what he said before and Calix certainly didn't make any posts to change his mind. So where did the change of mind come from? I know one answer... "I don't wanna look bad if Calix flips but i don't really want her to flip". And this gem:
On April 08 2017 03:00 Shapelog wrote:
Yeah, after the explanations on the points koshi's had (banana example) and Ryan's I dont mind Calix being lynched.
Personally I rather have tumblewood and do think some players are giving him the pass.
Rereading time.
Read the post where he quotes Koshi's post he is talking about.
How is any of this alignment-indicative? ELI5.
It is because it doesn't make any fucking sense.
But how does that make it mafia??
Because it doesn't make any fucking sense.
Not alignment indigative -> It makes her mafia for no apparent reason.
Basically tho totally different outcomes from a same post.
Very likely mafia.
Furthermore somewhere between there i made a post where i wrote very clearly what Koshi meant and took it even further by backing it up with some other things as well. Shapelog never touches the case, never talks about it, never. Then he places a vote on Tumblewood for this:
On April 08 2017 03:16 Shapelog wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2017 03:04 beentheredonethat wrote:
Switching to Calix feels like the easy choice though. Mainly because she isn't around I'm not a big fan. Policy lynch on Rels doesn't feel good, either.
Or, we could consolidate on Tumblewood. #Vote: TumblewoodLike I said I am fine with either or. I just prefer tumblewood over Calix at this point. Just looking at his read on you: Show nested quote +On April 07 2017 00:03 Tumblewood wrote:On April 06 2017 19:47 beentheredonethat wrote:On April 06 2017 19:45 Calix wrote:On April 06 2017 19:44 beentheredonethat wrote:On April 06 2017 16:25 Koshi wrote:
Hey rayn, if you don't mind, I am going for a -20 posts D1, 2-3 posts N1, 5 posts D2 and 2 posts N2. Well, unless mafia shoots me like they did the last 5 nights I was alive.
I will read the first 36 hours of the game and give my opinion. With some luck it is different than the last time. Koshi please don't say such things they feel scummy How is that post scummy? "I will do [whatever]" is always scummy. Don't promise, do. this is btw one of the worst entrance sequences I have ever seen - btdt calls koshi scum for making a promise - (even though koshi basically promised to be lazy and he does that every game) - btdt says it's worth a push (1 step removed from a promise) - btdt does not push koshi but I will give him the benefit of the doubt on being scum for now Show nested quote +On April 07 2017 03:07 Tumblewood wrote:On April 07 2017 01:58 beentheredonethat wrote:
Actually reading Tumblewood's filter: there is NO (absolutely no!) contribution to the game. Just banter. Besides that easily to be made up post.
##vote Tumblewood do something how bout you do something first and I do something about that something (I think you are bad town who thinks contributions mean anything. thankfully you are transparent. I think.) Show nested quote +On April 07 2017 03:44 Tumblewood wrote:On April 07 2017 03:21 beentheredonethat wrote:On April 07 2017 03:07 Tumblewood wrote:On April 07 2017 01:58 beentheredonethat wrote:
Actually reading Tumblewood's filter: there is NO (absolutely no!) contribution to the game. Just banter. Besides that easily to be made up post.
##vote Tumblewood do something how bout you do something first and I do something about that something (I think you are bad town who thinks contributions mean anything. thankfully you are transparent. I think.) The main difference between us two is that I actually do something: I interact with people (i.e. making myself readable), I drop reads, I push here and pressure there, and I try to stay reasonable. You do nothing. nah I'm pretty content with having three reads that I think are right with as little as has happened so far and what ever happened to that push on koshi Show nested quote +On April 07 2017 04:03 Tumblewood wrote:On April 07 2017 03:55 beentheredonethat wrote:On April 06 2017 23:54 Tumblewood wrote:
I feel like a broken clock but I've got a nice mindmeld/townread on calix On April 07 2017 03:12 Tumblewood wrote:
thinking shape is also town. but that read depends a lot on the progression of the thread I was able to find two. What's the third? duh when I called you bad town. you are so righteous Show nested quote +On April 07 2017 14:30 Tumblewood wrote:On April 07 2017 14:24 beentheredonethat wrote:
Lynching sicklucker is also fine. Im not thinking hes town. also my spidey senses are going off on this. *pending further unspecified action* Show nested quote +On April 07 2017 23:25 Tumblewood wrote:anyway I saw this question from 10 pages ago On April 07 2017 15:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Where did your townread on him come from in the first place (Tumble)? if you mean btdt, it's because he is super self-righteous even when he is saying something bad and wrong. especially from newer scum I would expect more careful consideration
I am waiting to see what he does next though because he is in limbo right now He keeps stating your bad town, but keeps hedging/options open on you. I think the most damming of it all is the one with the explanation of how righteous you are means a newer scum wouldnt fit you. But then says you are in limbo, after calling you bad town.
First of all this is a bad case. Second of all this case is nowhere near as good as the case on Calix. Basically Shapelog's case here is "Tumblewood cannot make a decision on btdt's alignment". That makes Tumblewood mafia?
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Oh i misread something, forget the thing about the banana example post.
Rest of it still stands.
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On April 08 2017 23:47 Shapelog wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2017 23:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
But i don't like the post i quoted. Meh idk which is stronger?
Like the post has nothing to do with who is mafia and who is not, it's a cheap way to decide where to place your vote without and actual reasoning. Depends on how much you think scum!tumble would be willing to agree to posting those posts with calix with. Like i said in the post after the flip, I hate his posts so far but I dont see scum!tumble doing what he did. Perhaps I am reading into the associating of it too much, but I just dont see it after the flip confirming calix as scum. I would think he would be less incline to post what he did or not as much as what he did. Maybe the first one or what not, but due to the timing and thread views on calix, it just doesn't make sense.
Your day 1 case on Tumblewood has nothing to do with anything related to Calix' alignment so where did that case go? It doesn't make him mafia anymore? How much did you actually believe in your case on D1 if you're so eager to drop it just because someone else flipped something?
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You even literally fucking said at some point Calix is probably the only person who could be mafia with Tumblewood.....
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What was Rel's reasoning btw on voting calix?
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Eh I defend briefly, not going to spend much time on it tho.
Suddenly Calix is mafia?!?!? That's not what he said before and Calix certainly didn't make any posts to change his mind. So where did the change of mind come from? I know one answer... "I don't wanna look bad if Calix flips but i don't really want her to flip". And this gem:
If the bold is true, then tumble read doesnt make sense in the long run.
Anyways,
After I woke up the next moring and read over those pages and thought about it more (including your case) i liked the reasoning more and more and I felt she was scummy.
First of all this is a bad case. Second of all this case is nowhere near as good as the case on Calix. Basically Shapelog's case here is "Tumblewood cannot make a decision on btdt's alignment". That makes Tumblewood mafia?
Did you read the posts leading up to that or?
On April 08 2017 01:59 Shapelog wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2017 01:51 beentheredonethat wrote:
It's kinda fun though how pretty much everybody says "btdt is scum" yet everybody also goes like "btdt is bad town". At this point, there must be some scummers on me who're just following thread sentiment.
I mean even in my posts on Tumble, people do not read them to see what I have to say on Tumble. Instead, they read them to find reasons to scumread me, see df's post for reference.
Then again, there are no votes on me as of now, instead thread sentiment is going after calix. :/ still in for Tumble. tbh, I actually I agree with you on certain parts with tumble. I do think he is servely lacking content and honestly, he should have something of some form of original thought in his filter. That I agree with you on. I also think the AFK vote is damm sus. as well at this point as well. That I see common ground on. There is no reason he shouldn't have any at this point. This wasn't like earlier, where it was like 1.5/8ths of the way through the day phase. But I do have issues with the cases in certain parts when I read it. Hence why I pointed them out. Either for you or others to reflect on those and either defend or attack those points. Also if I felt you were def. scum I would of voted you as placeholder rn. You might of just inspired a thought tho so hold on.
On April 08 2017 02:39 Shapelog wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2017 14:22 Tumblewood wrote:On April 07 2017 14:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't think she is trying to find mafia. She enters into arguments that can never achieve anything and she isn't even trying to achieve anything in those arguments except for discrediting the player on the other side of the argument. hi I checked your filter and 100% of your stuff since sl entered is about sl's entrance post. so I guess my question is what do you hope to get out of pressing on that one post And again, this statement is false at the time of this post. Because litterly a few moments before, on the same page: Show nested quote +On April 07 2017 14:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't think she is trying to find mafia. She enters into arguments that can never achieve anything and she isn't even trying to achieve anything in those arguments except for discrediting the player on the other side of the argument.
On April 09 2017 00:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You even literally fucking said at some point Calix is probably the only person who could be mafia with Tumblewood.....
Um please quote?
Because I posted:
On April 08 2017 02:45 Shapelog wrote:
But honestly tho, I dont know who else would be mafia with tumble. Looking at it roughly:
Rels is a odd ball that hasnt posted anything.
Calix maybe but that has to have certain factors involve with it. Also some weird team behavior.
SL i could see.
BTDT: Bus for life -> keep busing -> even more busing -> OMG what a bus -> reverse bus kill. Don't recall either fond of busing that much.
Rayn maybe.
Koshi's early posts with tumble being confirmed town would be very odd.
Darth maybe.
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On April 09 2017 00:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2017 23:47 Shapelog wrote:On April 08 2017 23:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
But i don't like the post i quoted. Meh idk which is stronger?
Like the post has nothing to do with who is mafia and who is not, it's a cheap way to decide where to place your vote without and actual reasoning. Depends on how much you think scum!tumble would be willing to agree to posting those posts with calix with. Like i said in the post after the flip, I hate his posts so far but I dont see scum!tumble doing what he did. Perhaps I am reading into the associating of it too much, but I just dont see it after the flip confirming calix as scum. I would think he would be less incline to post what he did or not as much as what he did. Maybe the first one or what not, but due to the timing and thread views on calix, it just doesn't make sense. Your day 1 case on Tumblewood has nothing to do with anything related to Calix' alignment so where did that case go? It doesn't make him mafia anymore? How much did you actually believe in your case on D1 if you're so eager to drop it just because someone else flipped something?
Because even tho I hate his posting, still dont like half of what he said, and honestly would love to lynch him. It doesn't make sense to me (or others for that fact) for him to be mafia based off what he said. Discipline play is better then emotional play, and is something im trying to follow more. My read was conflicted because of what I thought, and I sided with what I believe was stronger which was the not being partners with calix.
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It still doesn't change the fact you completely changed your read you were more sure of than your read on Calix, enough to vote for Tumblewood instead of Calix despite there being an actual good case on her. And now you don't even think your case on Tumblewood is any good anymore based on something that has been in the thread to evaluate all the time.
So yeah, excuse me but i am very suspicious of the strength of your read in the first place on D1.
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Or are you saying you want to lynch people based on how they play and if you like it or not instead of them being mafia?
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On April 09 2017 00:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
It still doesn't change the fact you completely changed your read you were more sure of than your read on Calix, enough to vote for Tumblewood instead of Calix despite there being an actual good case on her. And now you don't even think your case on Tumblewood is any good anymore based on something that has been in the thread to evaluate all the time.
So yeah, excuse me but i am very suspicious of the strength of your read in the first place on D1.
Weren't you the one who told me a time ago not to pre-associate and other stuff?
Yes, I suppose I could if i wanted to i could came to that conclusion earlier on tumble...then come right back if calix flipped town.
On April 09 2017 00:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Or are you saying you want to lynch people based on how they play and if you like it or not instead of them being mafia?
How is voting a afk, lack of originally thought, having BTDT in the range of being able to throw shade on and go after if need be, and overexg. statements to throw shade on you not mafia behaviors?
Anyways, spending too much time. Trying to figureout Rels rn so I really don't care if you fully commit to lynching me rn.
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Voting an afk means nothing when we are talking about Tumblewood.
He has had original thoughts.
"Throw shade on" is just another way of saying "doesn't have a conclusion on players alignment. In a same way i could say you "threw shade" on Tumblewood D1.... Actually considering your read on him now you did that way more than he did, since you never even commited to a vote before Calix was ACTUALLY starting to look like she's getting lynched and after the vote you started convincing Tumblewood that he is mafia (which is literally super dumb in the first place).
So there is that. I wasn't talking about pre-association. I was talking about the fact that your read changes based on stuff that should not affect the read at all because based on your case on Tumble, nothing Calix did means anything regarding Tumble's alignment. Nothing Tumble has done since should change your opinion on him (because he hasn't posted anything since the flip). Basically you are evaluating same evidence and coming to a completely different conclusion before. That's not unlikely to come from twon, the unlikeliness comes from the fact you have a 8 page filter, you were active almost all the time, yet you couldn't come to this conclusion earlier and indirectly defended Calix who flipped mafia by calling Tumblewood scum and making a case on him. I don't really understand how this very simple thing is so hard for you to see and why you try to twist it around.
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About Rels,
I dont like the fact he came in and voted calix without really and explanation other then him being where ryan was. I felt honestly he was more focused on me and tumble each (his other scumreads) then what was actually going on with calix. I know there was a small conversation a page back on how scum!rels might voted in regards of calix being scum. I personally think scum!rels would vote calix there instead of saving her because she was MIA. Why stick out and not vote her when it could cause sus. to come on her.
Another thing is the SL read. I first i actually thought this put to ease my sus. as scum!rels needs to keep the scum pool more open since he needs 3 ML's and what better to do that through ryan. Ryan is after-all seen as town my the majority of people, and could be talked into it if needed. But he didnt, which i first thought was town. But then I reread it and saw something:
On April 08 2017 06:38 Rels wrote:rayn. About SL. He feels town. He focused on himself and he's not hiding it, and he's focused on his read on you because of it. It doesn't add anything for him as scum. It's not good looking for him. It wastes time that is all. But he's doing it anyway. I think he's town for that.Like his posts when he come back to the thread after leaving is focused on that: Show nested quote +On April 07 2017 14:21 sicklucker wrote:On April 07 2017 06:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: On April 07 2017 06:44 beentheredonethat wrote:
I'm fine with Rels, Tumble, Shape, Calix, Koshi lynches apparently
and also Rayn
lol I don't have townreads apparently I am curious though, why is sicklucker town? why am i mafia. hell you know I wanted to answer something but your posts through page 10 were so bad about me and completely random and wrong Show nested quote +On April 07 2017 14:23 sicklucker wrote:
once again ryan you seem to have tunneled on something completely null and pointless to the game which im ignoring because I believe its completely null and pointless to the game and that makes you think im mafia.
Even if you think im mafia im not a day 1 player and if you lynch me day 1 again after saying you dont want to mislynch me trololo. I acualy kind of want this to happen and he knows he cannot out arguee you. I think I remember him saying you're the player he fears the most, he said that like one year ago. Doesn'et make sense to try to ou targuee you. Especially since he's not lynched. And he is not trying to change the lynch either. He's mainly talking about your read on him.
This argument is fine for sl being town but do note what i bolded. Rel's reasoning for tr SL is due to his focus on himself and such. Then this happens a few posts later:
On April 08 2017 07:09 sicklucker wrote:
shapelog is just the best lynch here by far. he can totally be with calix hell it even makes alot of sense. but if you guys lynch calix first you might do something stupid like lynch tumbleweed
so Saltshaker starts trying to move the lynch (something im going to check out eventually) onto me and off of calix. Now, imo this should cause his read to progress or at least be reconsidered as this is something that does go against this reasoning for why SL is town. however, in response to ryans question about sl in general:
His posts during the night haven't changed my mind. I think he's town based on his lack of mindset. But he'"s not lock town.
This bothers me because ryan did mention his stance towards the lynching, which I would expect rels to react to with his read. I don't see how that doesn't cause anything to go off in rel's mind if he believes the reasons to tr sl off based off that post. Which suggests he isnt really reading and figure out things.
Maybe the SL thing isn't strong but i dont like how he came in her and just voted calix, picked around with me and tumble, and peace. I feel like town!rels would post or mention more then just being really condense down and focused on certain people while not even mentioning others.
Thoughts?
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