On March 20 2017 22:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: Calix, i want your opinion on this :
Assume the following scenarios: 1) rayn = mafia, Eden = mafia 2) rayn = mafia, Eden = town
Why does rayn kill ritoky? Why does rayn claim JK?
Not the best person to ask since I don't like NKA that much and I'm not good at it but:
1. As part of some weird, TL-tier bussing strategy where you swoop in and take the cred for pushing ritoky's scum-read?
2. Framing?
I don't consider these reasons to be particularly strong since I've never seen anyone kill a player to frame someone on this site. And I don't see why you, specifically, would kill ritoky since you scum-read him, he town-read you and mafia aren't usually fans of killing their scum-reads and reducing support for them in the thread.
It doesn't necessarily 'clear' you by NKA standards alone since there are multiple mafia members left but I do not see why you would have chosen to kill ritoky.
I don't know what to make of AMG but his posts weren't what I was expecting. So yeah.
I know. But still odd that you go to town over mafia.
Did you also not have doubts after seeing that post?
I'd expect scum to just go along with the wagons. Only way that doesn't make sense for him is if he is scum with both of them.
Which would work with my reads but it's a bit presumptuous to assume I have nailed all three scum by D2 without further information.
Yes. I said so.. It gave me a chill on my spine.
Onegu/TW?
Do you have any reason to think Onegu is mafia from what he's posted?
No. I have already said this. Only that there is potential mafia manipulated positive WIFOM behind the posts he makes. But I wouldn't lynch him for that atm.
On March 20 2017 22:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: Calix, i want your opinion on this :
Assume the following scenarios: 1) rayn = mafia, Eden = mafia 2) rayn = mafia, Eden = town
Why does rayn kill ritoky? Why does rayn claim JK?
Not the best person to ask since I don't like NKA that much and I'm not good at it but:
1. As part of some weird, TL-tier bussing strategy where you swoop in and take the cred for pushing ritoky's scum-read?
2. Framing?
I don't consider these reasons to be particularly strong since I've never seen anyone kill a player to frame someone on this site. And I don't see why you, specifically, would kill ritoky since you scum-read him, he town-read you and mafia aren't usually fans of killing their scum-reads and reducing support for them in the thread.
It doesn't necessarily 'clear' you by NKA standards alone since there are multiple mafia members left but I do not see why you would have chosen to kill ritoky.
See Xatalos, here is a very simple explanation. It took like 5 minutes for Calix to come to an absolutely correct conclusion. Then when you go further, (1) i don't bus and as you said later it doesn't make any sense because this assumes Eden dies 100% and then what... Town has 2 mislynches. Do you think i ever survive the game? "yeah sure the JK is alive for like 100 days after claiming". What a joke strategy. (2) Completely correct here: "why you, specifically, would kill ritoky since you scum-read him, he town-read you and mafia aren't usually fans of killing their scum-reads and reducing support for them in the thread". YEAH WHY WOULD I? Furthermore from the vets, ritoky and Damdred townread me, Xatalos and Koshi scumread me. If i am mafia this is always an all vanilla setup. Why do i kill hte fucking dude who defends me EVEN if i call him scum? :D :D :D Yes, wow, very much sense make!!
Somehow it took like 10 hours (and half the game telling) Xatalos this is actually a VERY BIG possibility of being the case here. The dude is set on a conclusion and only tries to find evidence to support his conclusion, not looking at the evidence and what it actually means.
There is always 0% possibility of me being mafia with Eden because i always lose the game if that's the case. And if i am not mafia there is always 0% possibility i shoot ritoky because i DON'T HAVE TO, it's a retarded shot if i am mafia and Eden is town.
On March 20 2017 22:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like the thing townies do when someone claims is: - They consider all possibilities and look at the night kill and see what makes sense.
What Xatalos does: - "At least this kill makes the all vanilla setup less likely." - "I think there is a blue out there" (with onegu) - "wow rayn didn't say who he jailed" (why the fuck would i, it doesn't help the town at all) - "As scum, he would know the setup. If there is no true JK, he can claim being roleblocked and push his agenda freely until LYLO." (DOES ANYONE SEE ANY PROBLEM WITH THIS???) - "Now this is an all vanilla setup and rayn claimed to idk what reason but it makes totes sense!!!"
Doesn't even try to figure out what it means if i am town. Never. Just "here is why he is scum" -> "no it doesn't make sense, well here is a new scenario why he is scum" -> "no it doesn't make sense... [contunue]" while thinking there is another power role out there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
scummyscumscum
I haven't said I think there is a power role out there. Statistically it's more likely, but not certain.
I thought it was statistically 5% that i am a power role so i guess the rest of 95% is all vanilla setup no?
1) You had around 5% chance of rolling JK, 30% scum, and I would scumread you without the claim, so the chance of being scum isn't "extremely low".
2) I said there is a claim-like post in the thread. I didn't say I believed it was from a blue necessarily.
We discussed this yesterday... Those % don't make any sense for scum rayn. It's more liekly he is 95% jk and 5% scum and then scum is always in trouble which is unlikely after the ritoky kill.
The easy answer is always darthfoley/Eden/disformation and then a benched out of Onegu/AMG. And we should always lynch Eden/disformation first.
The scary team is TW/Onegu/AMG. Then we are fucked.
Very very terrible reasoned read on Tumblewood (aka easy lynch)
Not pushing me over Malongo (when he said himself he thought we are BOTH (with Tumble) more likely to be mafia than Malongo is) -- And no, sitting on his scumread for 47h 45mins and then making a half-arsed attempt is not "pushing a lynch on rayn" while i can perfectly underrstand why he tries it there -- i will never have a chance to respond (i can show you examples on when town!Xatalos thinks i am mafia, how he pushes the lynch if you don't believe me)
See above, how strong do you think his scumread on me was when on D2 i claim and he cannot be even arsed to think there is a possibility of me being town?
Go read his filter and see what he "pushes". He is not even wanting to lynch scum, there are no actual case, no nothing. He is just trying to find counter-wagons for everything?!?!?!? If someone is scum why do you need a counter-wagon? Why is just looking for counter-wagons?
On March 20 2017 23:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: Bulletpoints why Xatalos is mafia:
The whole claim thing as just explained
Very very terrible reasoned read on Tumblewood (aka easy lynch)
Not pushing me over Malongo (when he said himself he thought we are BOTH (with Tumble) more likely to be mafia than Malongo is) -- And no, sitting on his scumread for 47h 45mins and then making a half-arsed attempt is not "pushing a lynch on rayn" while i can perfectly underrstand why he tries it there -- i will never have a chance to respond (i can show you examples on when town!Xatalos thinks i am mafia, how he pushes the lynch if you don't believe me)
See above, how strong do you think his scumread on me was when on D2 i claim and he cannot be even arsed to think there is a possibility of me being town?
Go read his filter and see what he "pushes". He is not even wanting to lynch scum, there are no actual case, no nothing. He is just trying to find counter-wagons for everything?!?!?!? If someone is scum why do you need a counter-wagon? Why is just looking for counter-wagons?
Mrrgrlgrlgllllll !!!!!!!!!
point 5: remember the xata vs me thing early game. it took calix making a case/push on me for xata to vote me. shouldnt town!xata have voted me prior to that, if he felt i was trying to misrepresent him on purprose?
also working on more posters and stuff, gimme a bit.
On March 20 2017 23:09 Koshi wrote: If Damdred and Xatalos are mafia this game I failed horrible but I don't believe it. They are just lock towns for me.
So I can still be mafia? I'm flattered, if not surprised
On March 20 2017 22:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: Calix, i want your opinion on this :
Assume the following scenarios: 1) rayn = mafia, Eden = mafia 2) rayn = mafia, Eden = town
Why does rayn kill ritoky? Why does rayn claim JK?
Not the best person to ask since I don't like NKA that much and I'm not good at it but:
1. As part of some weird, TL-tier bussing strategy where you swoop in and take the cred for pushing ritoky's scum-read?
2. Framing?
I don't consider these reasons to be particularly strong since I've never seen anyone kill a player to frame someone on this site. And I don't see why you, specifically, would kill ritoky since you scum-read him, he town-read you and mafia aren't usually fans of killing their scum-reads and reducing support for them in the thread.
It doesn't necessarily 'clear' you by NKA standards alone since there are multiple mafia members left but I do not see why you would have chosen to kill ritoky.
See Xatalos, here is a very simple explanation. It took like 5 minutes for Calix to come to an absolutely correct conclusion. Then when you go further, (1) i don't bus and as you said later it doesn't make any sense because this assumes Eden dies 100% and then what... Town has 2 mislynches. Do you think i ever survive the game? "yeah sure the JK is alive for like 100 days after claiming". What a joke strategy. (2) Completely correct here: "why you, specifically, would kill ritoky since you scum-read him, he town-read you and mafia aren't usually fans of killing their scum-reads and reducing support for them in the thread". YEAH WHY WOULD I? Furthermore from the vets, ritoky and Damdred townread me, Xatalos and Koshi scumread me. If i am mafia this is always an all vanilla setup. Why do i kill hte fucking dude who defends me EVEN if i call him scum? :D :D :D Yes, wow, very much sense make!!
Somehow it took like 10 hours (and half the game telling) Xatalos this is actually a VERY BIG possibility of being the case here. The dude is set on a conclusion and only tries to find evidence to support his conclusion, not looking at the evidence and what it actually means.
Says the guy who had scumread me from the start, always finding another excuse, and never finding anything towny about me... at least I've changed my stance on you as new information came available.
Besides, how do you explain claiming now as Jailkeeper? You've ruined your (most important) role forever, since there is a Roleblocker if you're town. You weren't in any great danger yet at day start. You even claimed to be saving ritoky until I did something, even though you said ritoky kill was "extremely unlikely"....?
In any case, neither of us is getting lynched in the foreseeable future. Probably not the best use of time to continue this argument much further.
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Note that the names in this story will be greatly obfuscated to make incidental confusion with real existing persons impossible.
A long long time ago this game has been created. This was widely considered a bad move, as it made quite a bunch of people slightly agitated.
Chapter 1: teenokilepnyar, the great sorcerer while some may say his confidence in his reads is magical and he is conjuring them out of his hat, he recently has made himself untouchable by wearing silly pants. Unless he gets beaten in a dance off and gets his title of great sorcerer rescinded he shall remain true to the protagonists. sler/GMA, the doctor who? 2981nede, the defect robot rears his robotic head between random outages to confuse the protagonists with riddles. appears to have gone offline completely after the protagonists were able to correctly answer the last riddle with "confucius you need to fill your bowl with some shit that makes some sense!"
doowelbmut, the confused Seems quite unsure of his own role in this play. A lot of his lines have been beaten like a dead horse already, but let me look at the forest of dead horses here: He has few lines and some are quite baffling, but he displays quite a range of emotion. This specific mix of paranoia, stubbornness and confusion is more likely to be displayed by a protagonist. + Show Spoiler [paranoia] +
On March 17 2017 08:54 Damdred wrote: As for your reads Calix yeah I agree.
Koshi, xata, calix, deep, damdred is a strong town base right now.
Deeps follow up postings (while I strongly disagree what he says makes me scum), have been pretty thoughtful. And pretty good.
ik damdred likes town circles but come on this is too early to read vets calix and deepblue are eh but who am i to criticize that. just xata/koshi/damdy/rayn are way too early to read
On March 17 2017 11:46 Tumblewood wrote: but also it's a little iffy to towncircle them already hopefully a throwaway circle though?
On March 17 2017 08:54 Damdred wrote: As for your reads Calix yeah I agree.
Koshi, xata, calix, deep, damdred is a strong town base right now.
Deeps follow up postings (while I strongly disagree what he says makes me scum), have been pretty thoughtful. And pretty good.
ik damdred likes town circles but come on this is too early to read vets calix and deepblue are eh but who am i to criticize that. just xata/koshi/damdy/rayn are way too early to read
Rayn, in town circle? Hasn't he been just null/scum read by everyone?
What were your reads on me/Koski/Damdred then?
ya but he's still too early to read I was null on all of them. there are reasons I could claim scum/town on one of them but they are pretty lame
On March 19 2017 02:46 Tumblewood wrote: my trust of rayn has gone down to 1% since yesterday his pushes just make me uncomfortable. especially the part where he calls malongo scum (which i am still really not seeing?) and even without him on the wagon it gets 5 votes. something is up plus i see him winning this argument with onegu all of a sudden and ugh i need to go but it is all sorts of bad i am voting and then i am outie outie trust me on this one. but maybe not too much
On March 19 2017 06:38 Tumblewood wrote: the thing that gets me is, how the hell is rayn so confident on a guy with half a page of filter including pregame? there is a lot wrong with this wagon I want this lynch to not happen more strongly that I just said
On March 18 2017 00:54 Tumblewood wrote: you can poke holes in my TvT argument but I know I'm right, I've never missed a read like this. and if you are baffled by how else disfo could respond to an accusation, look at what I've done all game
On March 19 2017 08:41 Tumblewood wrote: I will explain the thought process just a little more and from then on I will not give a useful response ok:
- before leaving, I got real suspicious of rayn - when I came back, I saw malongo was still afk and I was like "a plynch isn't the end of the world" - then I saw the votes and switched back to malongo as a bad wagon - then (internally) I mulled over rayn as being useful compared to malongo, switched back to being but still on rayn - I saw calix's post about shenannies being bad and decided not to go after rayn - but I didn't switch at deadline because of basically what you guys have been yelling at me about - after deadline I realized a shenanny was probably not that bad because most of the active players were town
I doubted myself okay
I still have the problem that he does not help the protagonists in catching the antagonists much. So he gets entirely carried by his tone. I am cool with giving him a bit of time still, since his tone is more likely town after all, but I really want to step him up a bit when the game goes on. Overall: sliiiiight town lean. to be continued... next episode: derdmad, the ethereal oak and [i]solatax, the rolling thunder[i], who is currently losing a dance off against teenokilepnyar, the great sorcerer.
On March 20 2017 23:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: Bulletpoints why Xatalos is mafia:
The whole claim thing as just explained
Very very terrible reasoned read on Tumblewood (aka easy lynch)
Not pushing me over Malongo (when he said himself he thought we are BOTH (with Tumble) more likely to be mafia than Malongo is) -- And no, sitting on his scumread for 47h 45mins and then making a half-arsed attempt is not "pushing a lynch on rayn" while i can perfectly underrstand why he tries it there -- i will never have a chance to respond (i can show you examples on when town!Xatalos thinks i am mafia, how he pushes the lynch if you don't believe me)
See above, how strong do you think his scumread on me was when on D2 i claim and he cannot be even arsed to think there is a possibility of me being town?
Go read his filter and see what he "pushes". He is not even wanting to lynch scum, there are no actual case, no nothing. He is just trying to find counter-wagons for everything?!?!?!? If someone is scum why do you need a counter-wagon? Why is just looking for counter-wagons?
Mrrgrlgrlgllllll !!!!!!!!!
point 5: remember the xata vs me thing early game. it took calix making a case/push on me for xata to vote me. shouldnt town!xata have voted me prior to that, if he felt i was trying to misrepresent him on purprose?
also working on more posters and stuff, gimme a bit.
I wasn't sure if you were doing it maliciously or not. Calix's post made me lean over the edge of putting my vote on you, but it was more of a pressure vote than taking you as certai. scum.
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