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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 20 2017 14:54 GMT
#1501
On March 20 2017 23:51 Calix wrote:
Xatalos, are you always this agreeable? It's pinging me but I don't know if that's just your personality because I remember that you were pretty "go with the flow" in our scum chat as well.


Hmm... you just finished accusing me of disrupting the flow too much?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
March 20 2017 14:56 GMT
#1502
On March 20 2017 23:49 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2017 23:38 AMG wrote:
On March 20 2017 23:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I mean like what about them you don't like.


He parks his vote on mal for being "suspect". Never elaborated on what that even meant. Does not even attempt to engage Mal in any questioning or conversation. Makes a case on why Eden might be better lynch, vote stays on mal, says he does not feel comfortable being on the same wagon as DR, yet never moved his vote off. Talks about how little resistance there is to mals lunch, does not get off it.

what do you think of damdred's questioning on tw about deadline? i think his questioning was quite good and that gave me the feeling damdred was actually looking into the game at deadline. but damdred had a lot of posts saying how he disliked eden, thats true.

to further elaborate: i saw the same thing, but liked him looking into tw. and got another, albeit weak, pointer for a town dred. so far i got:
derdmad, the ethereal oak
calls out 2981nede's bad riddles, before it twas cool:
On March 18 2017 02:55 Damdred wrote:
At least 2 mafia in mal, onegu, rels, df, Eden.

Everyone else has a reason I don't want to Lynch today.

I kinda expect one mafia in my town reads but I hope not.

On March 19 2017 00:48 Damdred wrote:
I also don't like eden, and I am with xata thatch don't lol all the weak things rayn has pushed+disinterested that his lynch isn't leading now. Idk I understand the I think both are scum and idc mindset
But seems to passive for rayn.

Eden tone ply method I attack seems off so far to me, butbi new to check on a few things.

On March 19 2017 01:02 Damdred wrote:
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On March 19 2017 00:54 Calix wrote:
On March 19 2017 00:41 Xatalos wrote:
On March 18 2017 22:12 Damdred wrote:
Xata or anyone who on the mal wagon makes you super skeptical?


rayn isn't even on his wagon, but he's pushed Mal nonetheless, and with very weak reasons IMO (which is more typical of his scumplay). Still not sure about disfo, and not completely sure about Calix either. Mainly it's because there hasn't been any meaningful opposition, but just scattered votes all around. That rarely leads to a correct lunch.


Yeah, about that.

On March 18 2017 07:15 Xatalos wrote:
Eden's case isn't actually horrible. It's true that Calix jumped to scumreading disfo a bit quickly/strongly and stuck with it until it no longer had steam. The reason for dropping it wasn't the best either... "at least he's doing something now" after listing various other reasons to scumread him, which weren't really addressed? Or were they somewhere?

I could be biased because Eden praised my townieness so greatly.

I'll be around closer to the deadline, but probably not very much for the next 15-20 hours or so.


I'm confused as to why you think it's suspect for me to have pushed disformation 'a bit quickly/ strongly and stuck with it' when you agreed with all of my points and spent more time talking about it than I did? My point here being that since you acted in a similar way, it doesn't make sense for you to then agree with Eden when he calls out the same behaviour in me.

And I still don't get how Eden calling you top town influences your response to his case.

In general, I think Eden has not been talked about as much as I was expecting him to be.

@Damdred, can you expand on your Eden read?


Yeah, a lot of what Eden did content wise was a rehash that made him look more active,while the answers were in thread already.

The time was more accusatory rather than inquisitive and his case felt more like throw everything I can and we what sticks people run on.

Then throws a vote down without really a ton I interaction a lot of the other reads are easily escapable from not really firm. And hasn't done much since, and doesn't really seem to care about pushing to case even right after he made it.

On March 19 2017 01:35 Damdred wrote:
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On March 19 2017 01:12 Calix wrote:
On March 19 2017 01:02 Damdred wrote:
On March 19 2017 00:54 Calix wrote:
On March 19 2017 00:41 Xatalos wrote:
On March 18 2017 22:12 Damdred wrote:
Xata or anyone who on the mal wagon makes you super skeptical?


rayn isn't even on his wagon, but he's pushed Mal nonetheless, and with very weak reasons IMO (which is more typical of his scumplay). Still not sure about disfo, and not completely sure about Calix either. Mainly it's because there hasn't been any meaningful opposition, but just scattered votes all around. That rarely leads to a correct lunch.


Yeah, about that.

On March 18 2017 07:15 Xatalos wrote:
Eden's case isn't actually horrible. It's true that Calix jumped to scumreading disfo a bit quickly/strongly and stuck with it until it no longer had steam. The reason for dropping it wasn't the best either... "at least he's doing something now" after listing various other reasons to scumread him, which weren't really addressed? Or were they somewhere?

I could be biased because Eden praised my townieness so greatly.

I'll be around closer to the deadline, but probably not very much for the next 15-20 hours or so.


I'm confused as to why you think it's suspect for me to have pushed disformation 'a bit quickly/ strongly and stuck with it' when you agreed with all of my points and spent more time talking about it than I did? My point here being that since you acted in a similar way, it doesn't make sense for you to then agree with Eden when he calls out the same behaviour in me.

And I still don't get how Eden calling you top town influences your response to his case.

In general, I think Eden has not been talked about as much as I was expecting him to be.

@Damdred, can you expand on your Eden read?


Yeah, a lot of what Eden did content wise was a rehash that made him look more active,while the answers were in thread already.

The time was more accusatory rather than inquisitive and his case felt more like throw everything I can and we what sticks people run on.

Then throws a vote down without really a ton I interaction a lot of the other reads are easily escapable from not really firm. And hasn't done much since, and doesn't really seem to care about pushing to case even right after he made it.


Sure, Eden's posts didn't consider my later interactions with disformation or anything else I've done but that's not necessarily AI if he just found my early play scummy.

I don't think Eden 'not doing much since there' means anything. He clearly put a sizable amount of effort into the posts he did make (outside of the bullshit claim stuff). In fact, all these 'well people haven't done much' posts don't mean a great deal right now. It's D1. If someone was amazing on D1 and then tanked overnight then using this sort of logic would make more sense but right now? Nah.

On March 19 2017 01:04 Xatalos wrote:
On March 19 2017 00:54 Calix wrote:
On March 19 2017 00:41 Xatalos wrote:
On March 18 2017 22:12 Damdred wrote:
Xata or anyone who on the mal wagon makes you super skeptical?


rayn isn't even on his wagon, but he's pushed Mal nonetheless, and with very weak reasons IMO (which is more typical of his scumplay). Still not sure about disfo, and not completely sure about Calix either. Mainly it's because there hasn't been any meaningful opposition, but just scattered votes all around. That rarely leads to a correct lunch.


Yeah, about that.

On March 18 2017 07:15 Xatalos wrote:
Eden's case isn't actually horrible. It's true that Calix jumped to scumreading disfo a bit quickly/strongly and stuck with it until it no longer had steam. The reason for dropping it wasn't the best either... "at least he's doing something now" after listing various other reasons to scumread him, which weren't really addressed? Or were they somewhere?

I could be biased because Eden praised my townieness so greatly.

I'll be around closer to the deadline, but probably not very much for the next 15-20 hours or so.


I'm confused as to why you think it's suspect for me to have pushed disformation 'a bit quickly/ strongly and stuck with it' when you agreed with all of my points and spent more time talking about it than I did? My point here being that since you acted in a similar way, it doesn't make sense for you to then agree with Eden when he calls out the same behaviour in me.

And I still don't get how Eden calling you top town influences your response to his case.

In general, I think Eden has not been talked about as much as I was expecting him to be.

@Damdred, can you expand on your Eden read?


Well, it's not like I think you're sure scum like he implied or anything. Just that his reasoning kind of made sense to me. You did jump to scumread him very quickly, and a bit too strongly considering the reasoning (tone) maybe... and kind of left the wagon to roll until it died? And abandoned the wagon just like that even though your other points weren't really addressed, just the confusion part that I was mostly suspicious of? Dunno. I can see the scum motivation in that. But then again, you've been pretty active and contributing very, so I don't have any motivation to pursue the matter.


I have explained that already. I found disformation stuck out compared to everyone else because of his tone and voted him based on that. Given that it got shit going, I have no regrets there

I was actually AFK while all of that shit over disformation was going down yesterday but you wouldn't have known that. I said on several occasions that I would reconsider disformation if he started contributing on his own terms, which he did, so I unvoted when I got back. No point in hounding him much more at that point since it would just distract him if he is town, you know?


Let me rephrase, the not doing anything.

Eden isn't being proactive in how he reads the thread and just cares about how he looks like I is doing somrthing. He throws his vote down without any real interaction towards others in the thread that could away the vote towards his target.


So the true colors of 2981nede might reveal the colours of the venerable oak as well. One might ask why derdmad didnt want to push the robot harder, which confuses the author quite a bit.
But he also got distracted by the passer by doowelbmut before the hang time.
On March 19 2017 06:36 Damdred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2017 13:58 Tumblewood wrote:
okay great filter sesh!
where i am at

town, i think
calix
disfo
eden
malongo
dbs
koshi?

needs more examination but their filters were kinda long
rayn
damdred
xata
koshi?

bad
rels
onegu

scummy
df


Can you explain how you want from thisto willing to lynch mal

which was quite the sharp observation and a good question to ask. and I'd say the willingness to be around the hanging time and asking quite good questions instead of vanishing into the forest is quite green of the oak.
emotional display:
On March 19 2017 03:50 Damdred wrote:
I would so v willing to be lynched right now if rayn would apologize for ignoring me all game and calling all mybposts not smart when he has said exactly whatvi did multiple times.

Who I with me I'll even hammer myself.

On March 19 2017 04:21 Damdred wrote:
I don't get how I'm not saying smart things when rayn isbliterallyvrepeating what I say after I did about mal and picking up things about Eden and my scum read on him.

Holy shit and xata is agreeing with him and troops me to null. Is thisnliterally real fucking life.

At least df has a legit reason to come arte me sing I wan arte him and I was on his scum list.

Which btw df my reason for voting mal was calling me and disf town voting rayn without any real explanation. Which I said first.

I'm leaving because I can't even this thread right now.

There was a old legend which said that an emotional oak is a helpful oak and a robotic oak is a harmful oak. Can any traveler tell me if that still holds true?
another quite good observation by the oak:
On March 20 2017 07:20 Damdred wrote:
But you haven't scum hunted almost at all lately and you keep hinting that you think scum is in the top players and lynch bait your scared of. (Besides rels)

But none of them are in your posts and you don't seem to want to question then stm



so tldr:
[+] I liked him questioning tw and the question of calix and thought it was generally more town to be active/asking good questions around deadline and i think the emotional stuff is more towndamdy.
[-] 0 clue why he didnt push eden over mal
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
March 20 2017 14:58 GMT
#1503
On March 20 2017 23:54 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2017 23:51 Calix wrote:
Xatalos, are you always this agreeable? It's pinging me but I don't know if that's just your personality because I remember that you were pretty "go with the flow" in our scum chat as well.


Hmm... you just finished accusing me of disrupting the flow too much?


Much like you did with Skynx?

I mean, you've agreed with a lot of stuff this game so I'd like to know.

I also don't get why you're literally apologising for voting for someone else or why disformation's RP and being a nerd makes him town.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
March 20 2017 14:58 GMT
#1504
Meh I thought they were both mafia? And I was lynching one of my scum reads?
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
March 20 2017 15:01 GMT
#1505
On March 20 2017 23:53 Damdred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2017 23:38 AMG wrote:
On March 20 2017 23:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I mean like what about them you don't like.


He parks his vote on mal for being "suspect". Never elaborated on what that even meant. Does not even attempt to engage Mal in any questioning or conversation. Makes a case on why Eden might be better lynch, vote stays on mal, says he does not feel comfortable being on the same wagon as DR, yet never moved his vote off. Talks about how little resistance there is to mals lunch, does not get off it.


This is a total misrepresentation...

1) I specifically ask mal questions to his first post about not liking either mine or disformation wagon. He ignores this question, and I specifically point out that he is ignoring the question and should return to it. Mal never answers this question.

This facilitates a vote later on in the day, Rayn points out the same thing in a later post.

2) I make a case on why I do not like Eden, I do not believe I ever said that Eden is a better lynch? I'm unsure why looking for multiple scum in itself is scummy.

3) Half the thread was nervous about how little resistance the lynch was getting at that point.

4) I said the only person who I did not feel comfortable with on the wagon was DF, and I listed the reasoning why I did not have a town read on DF. He explained himself and we had a sort of argument and I ended up townreading him.

And really there were three options for the lynch, I hard townread Rayn all of yesterday. I wasn't going to vote for myself unless rayn woudl apologize to me for the way he treated me yesterday which was still utter shit btw rayn and I really should get an apology for being ignored and treated like a complete idiot when we agreed on so much shit in the thread (besides scum read on me).

That leaves me in a world where the most likely solution was to lynch a scum read in Mal. And I did just that, he turned out to be town that didn't care.


Hm. Thing is you had a lot of posts on eden. so it kinda felt off for you to prefer mal. but you are right. same could be said about multiple ppl, And you where around to question ppl.

nah.
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Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
March 20 2017 15:02 GMT
#1506
and (wifom alert) If you think i'm scum with Eden you have to 100% buy into the story that the scum team wanted to double bus and actually sac me O_o
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
March 20 2017 15:03 GMT
#1507
On March 21 2017 00:01 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2017 23:53 Damdred wrote:
On March 20 2017 23:38 AMG wrote:
On March 20 2017 23:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I mean like what about them you don't like.


He parks his vote on mal for being "suspect". Never elaborated on what that even meant. Does not even attempt to engage Mal in any questioning or conversation. Makes a case on why Eden might be better lynch, vote stays on mal, says he does not feel comfortable being on the same wagon as DR, yet never moved his vote off. Talks about how little resistance there is to mals lunch, does not get off it.


This is a total misrepresentation...

1) I specifically ask mal questions to his first post about not liking either mine or disformation wagon. He ignores this question, and I specifically point out that he is ignoring the question and should return to it. Mal never answers this question.

This facilitates a vote later on in the day, Rayn points out the same thing in a later post.

2) I make a case on why I do not like Eden, I do not believe I ever said that Eden is a better lynch? I'm unsure why looking for multiple scum in itself is scummy.

3) Half the thread was nervous about how little resistance the lynch was getting at that point.

4) I said the only person who I did not feel comfortable with on the wagon was DF, and I listed the reasoning why I did not have a town read on DF. He explained himself and we had a sort of argument and I ended up townreading him.

And really there were three options for the lynch, I hard townread Rayn all of yesterday. I wasn't going to vote for myself unless rayn woudl apologize to me for the way he treated me yesterday which was still utter shit btw rayn and I really should get an apology for being ignored and treated like a complete idiot when we agreed on so much shit in the thread (besides scum read on me).

That leaves me in a world where the most likely solution was to lynch a scum read in Mal. And I did just that, he turned out to be town that didn't care.


Hm. Thing is you had a lot of posts on eden. so it kinda felt off for you to prefer mal. but you are right. same could be said about multiple ppl, And you where around to question ppl.

nah.
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Yeah I shoudl of been more forceful and directed the lynch to somewhere better, but I really thought we were on scum with how mal entered the thread. Pretended to do things after d1 but still didn't do anything and then left without anything of substance.

And secretly I really hoped he would flip scum so it would clear me and disf lol
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 20 2017 15:07 GMT
#1508
On March 20 2017 23:58 Calix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2017 23:54 Xatalos wrote:
On March 20 2017 23:51 Calix wrote:
Xatalos, are you always this agreeable? It's pinging me but I don't know if that's just your personality because I remember that you were pretty "go with the flow" in our scum chat as well.


Hmm... you just finished accusing me of disrupting the flow too much?


Much like you did with Skynx?

I mean, you've agreed with a lot of stuff this game so I'd like to know.

I also don't get why you're literally apologising for voting for someone else or why disformation's RP and being a nerd makes him town.


Still not sure about disfo, but he's clearly trying to do things, and not in a way that directly makes himself look better (which would be the main scum motivation).

Can't remember the Skynx reference anymore.

In general I haven't played almost at all for the last two years or so? I'd say I'm most proactive as town when I'm the most active poster / "thread leader" regardless of alignment. When the thread is already progressing fine, I become more passive (see the PYP game - I mostly much followed thread sentiment with town rayn/Marv/Palmar leading the discussion). If things are going badly, I often un-lazy myself and push more aggressively. As scum... I'm pretty survival-focused, I think. Often even willing to bus to gain cred. And avoid attention as much as can be done. Take that as you will.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
March 20 2017 15:10 GMT
#1509
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But Xata! What a big filter you have
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
March 20 2017 15:11 GMT
#1510
On March 20 2017 23:16 Calix wrote:
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On March 20 2017 23:09 Koshi wrote:
If Damdred and Xatalos are mafia this game I failed horrible but I don't believe it. They are just lock towns for me.


So I can still be mafia? I'm flattered, if not surprised

No. I don't consider you anymore. If you are mafia, everybody failed. Xcept some hipsters.
I had a good night of sleep.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
March 20 2017 15:12 GMT
#1511
On March 21 2017 00:10 disformation wrote:
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But Xata! What a big filter you have

wolf not necessarily mafia here. just saw he had 15 pages and had this reaction
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
March 20 2017 15:13 GMT
#1512
On March 20 2017 23:38 AMG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2017 23:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I mean like what about them you don't like.


He parks his vote on mal for being "suspect". Never elaborated on what that even meant. Does not even attempt to engage Mal in any questioning or conversation. Makes a case on why Eden might be better lynch, vote stays on mal, says he does not feel comfortable being on the same wagon as DR, yet never moved his vote off. Talks about how little resistance there is to mals lunch, does not get off it.

Chances that I am fucking horrible are increasing
I had a good night of sleep.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
March 20 2017 15:14 GMT
#1513
On March 21 2017 00:07 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2017 23:58 Calix wrote:
On March 20 2017 23:54 Xatalos wrote:
On March 20 2017 23:51 Calix wrote:
Xatalos, are you always this agreeable? It's pinging me but I don't know if that's just your personality because I remember that you were pretty "go with the flow" in our scum chat as well.


Hmm... you just finished accusing me of disrupting the flow too much?


Much like you did with Skynx?

I mean, you've agreed with a lot of stuff this game so I'd like to know.

I also don't get why you're literally apologising for voting for someone else or why disformation's RP and being a nerd makes him town.


Still not sure about disfo, but he's clearly trying to do things, and not in a way that directly makes himself look better (which would be the main scum motivation).

Can't remember the Skynx reference anymore.

In general I haven't played almost at all for the last two years or so? I'd say I'm most proactive as town when I'm the most active poster / "thread leader" regardless of alignment. When the thread is already progressing fine, I become more passive (see the PYP game - I mostly much followed thread sentiment with town rayn/Marv/Palmar leading the discussion). If things are going badly, I often un-lazy myself and push more aggressively. As scum... I'm pretty survival-focused, I think. Often even willing to bus to gain cred. And avoid attention as much as can be done. Take that as you will.


That makes more sense re: disformation.

And that's a yes then
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
March 20 2017 15:15 GMT
#1514
xata might take a bit.
On March 21 2017 00:13 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2017 23:38 AMG wrote:
On March 20 2017 23:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I mean like what about them you don't like.


He parks his vote on mal for being "suspect". Never elaborated on what that even meant. Does not even attempt to engage Mal in any questioning or conversation. Makes a case on why Eden might be better lynch, vote stays on mal, says he does not feel comfortable being on the same wagon as DR, yet never moved his vote off. Talks about how little resistance there is to mals lunch, does not get off it.

Chances that I am fucking horrible are increasing

care to look on my stuff on damdy in comparison?
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
March 20 2017 15:19 GMT
#1515
i also just noticed that i gave two ppl the title of great something.
what a failure as an author i am.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
March 20 2017 15:23 GMT
#1516
IDK why people just look at something someone posts and doesn't actually check things themselves, I know my filter is almost 8 pages but its nto that big
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
March 20 2017 15:25 GMT
#1517
On March 21 2017 00:15 disformation wrote:
xata might take a bit.
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2017 00:13 Koshi wrote:
On March 20 2017 23:38 AMG wrote:
On March 20 2017 23:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I mean like what about them you don't like.


He parks his vote on mal for being "suspect". Never elaborated on what that even meant. Does not even attempt to engage Mal in any questioning or conversation. Makes a case on why Eden might be better lynch, vote stays on mal, says he does not feel comfortable being on the same wagon as DR, yet never moved his vote off. Talks about how little resistance there is to mals lunch, does not get off it.

Chances that I am fucking horrible are increasing

care to look on my stuff on damdy in comparison?

I believe Damdred is town. I believe Xatalos is town.
I believe that for the same reasons you think Damdred is town. I liked the quotes concerning Eden, makes it even more unlikely Damdred is mafia if Eden flips mafia. The emo posts I saw and are part of my townread on Damdred.

It's a good post. But not impossible to make as mafia.
I had a good night of sleep.
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
March 20 2017 15:55 GMT
#1518
o.O there's an all vanilla setup?
if we assume rayn is jk or mafia in the vanilla setup and nothing else, then there is a 40% chance of jk and a 60% chance of mafia, but it's not worth lynching him because he will inevitably be revealed by LyLo or if we ever feel like outing our other blue

(this is probably not relevant, I am still on page 68)
good times for all
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 20 2017 15:59 GMT
#1519
On March 21 2017 00:55 Tumblewood wrote:
o.O there's an all vanilla setup?
if we assume rayn is jk or mafia in the vanilla setup and nothing else, then there is a 40% chance of jk and a 60% chance of mafia, but it's not worth lynching him because he will inevitably be revealed by LyLo or if we ever feel like outing our other blue

(this is probably not relevant, I am still on page 68)


A bit late to the party
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 20 2017 16:11 GMT
#1520
Hmmm. rayn did go into some pretty stupid town vs town tunnels in the Resistance game as town though... So it's not impossible that's the case here as well.

I guess I'll just ignore him for the time being.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
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