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GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
January 08 2016 04:18 GMT
#72
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GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
January 09 2016 01:52 GMT
#124
Hi everyone! I'm town. In previous forum games I go too HAM for my own good and end up defending my early-reads for half the game so I'm going to try to keep it more toned-down here

I want to lock-town rayn for his red bull joke but I do townread his more comic demeanor the last time I played with him he was a very aggressive mafia player. I like his reason for townreading gigyas too.

I also feel pretty good about koshi being town I just like his style it seems very natural and honest which is difficult to replicate as mafia
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
January 09 2016 02:11 GMT
#127
On January 09 2016 10:59 slOosh wrote:

Show nested quote +
On January 09 2016 10:52 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Hi everyone! I'm town. In previous forum games I go too HAM for my own good and end up defending my early-reads for half the game so I'm going to try to keep it more toned-down here

I want to lock-town rayn for his red bull joke but I do townread his more comic demeanor the last time I played with him he was a very aggressive mafia player. I like his reason for townreading gigyas too.

I also feel pretty good about koshi being town I just like his style it seems very natural and honest which is difficult to replicate as mafia

Hello there GGTeMpLaR! Could I ask about your "defending my early-reads"? Do they tend to be scum or town or both?


How is me going into further detail about my previous meta going to help you solve my alignment when I am intentionally going to be attempting to stray from it this game?
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
January 09 2016 02:19 GMT
#131
Just forget it, it's not relevant.
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
January 09 2016 03:50 GMT
#162
On January 09 2016 12:25 slOosh wrote:
Hmm big things are you as strong town for picking up on similar things to me + more.

GGTeMpLaR I also noticed his first post was kinda awkward, but I felt like he could very well be those townies that if you pressure they just ... react poorly? I'm not sure how to phrase it, but I don't think a direct pressure approach would work out. So I wanted him to post on something else to figure out if he is nervous b/c scum or nervous b/c newer player.

Vayne ... I feel like he is reading me slightly more scum than someone reasonably could? Either that or his style of playing is very different to mine, almost like Oatsmaster or something if he is still around.

No one else has too much for me.


It felt like you were asking a question that didn't result in you determining my alignment.

Which is just asking a question for the sake of 'looking inquisitive' for a mafia to appear townie.
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
January 09 2016 03:56 GMT
#164
I'm not a newer player just less experienced in forum games. I've played about a dozen of them over the past 2ish years.

However, I have several hundreds of hours of videomafia played.
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
January 09 2016 03:57 GMT
#165
If I was mafia I can assure you I wouldn't be nervous anyways.
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
January 09 2016 04:13 GMT
#174
##Vote: slOosh
GGTeMpLaR
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United States7226 Posts
January 09 2016 04:37 GMT
#185
I gave two townreads and a scumread.
GGTeMpLaR
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January 09 2016 05:54 GMT
#193
On January 09 2016 14:41 slOosh wrote:
Aight if people don't like the way I'm posting, I'll just cut the extra footage and post tl;drs.


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On January 09 2016 10:52 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
I want to lock-town rayn for his red bull joke but I do townread his more comic demeanor the last time I played with him he was a very aggressive mafia player. I like his reason for townreading gigyas too.

Why the "but"? "I town read rayn b/c his joke" and "scum rayn played very aggressively last time I played with him" are two points that work together. This makes it look like your post was doctored and you forgot to fix this part, since scum take lots of time to craft proper posts while town just post what's on their mind.

Additionally, why the hesitation to vote me?


I meant to imply that I'm not literally locking him town for the joke, but I do townread him for reasons stated.

I didn't hesitate to vote you at all.
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
January 09 2016 07:42 GMT
#209
On January 09 2016 15:21 slOosh wrote:
What's wrong with locking him town for the joke?

Why not vote with the post where you say I look like mafia?

What is your opinion on Koshi?


I wouldn't lock someone town over something I think could be that easily replicated as mafia.
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
January 09 2016 07:45 GMT
#210
I also don't find your attempted interrogation an attempt to discern my alignment either.

You're more-so just trying to discredit my vote and scumread of you without providing any real content other than

'why?'
'why?'
'why?'
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
January 09 2016 07:50 GMT
#213
Specifically, that first question you asked me was entirely rhetorical.

I think it ought to be self-apparent as to why locking him town for his joke would be 'wrong'.
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
January 09 2016 07:55 GMT
#217
Your initial excuse was to apply pressure for a nervous mafia reaction from a new player.

You now know I am not a new player and have already revealed that you attempted to apply pressure to make me nervous, which means I am aware of your tactic.

What is the point of this rhetorical line of questioning you are throwing at me?
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
January 09 2016 07:55 GMT
#218
*Last two posts were still directed @slOosh
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
January 09 2016 07:57 GMT
#219
Correction, you weren't trying to apply pressure to make me nervous but trying to figure out why you thought I was nervous.

Point being, I'm not nervous and I don't see your inquiries into me to be coming from a townie mindset.
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
January 09 2016 08:01 GMT
#221
On January 09 2016 16:54 Eden1892 wrote:
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On January 09 2016 12:57 Koshi wrote:
##vote: Nooniansoong

I got reasons. But they are "terrible". I am also extremely tired so I can't promise I will remember them. But I think he might be biggest shot on mafia.

This is really out of the blue to me. noonian has posted literal nothing.

Pretty sure you won't answer this until you wake up, and I hope you remember them, because I want to know them, so you're gonna need to tell me to the best of your recollection.


I actually think that it would be very strange for him to 'design' this plan as a mafia alignment.

Best case scenario he gets people to critically reread Noon's filter which, as you said, is practically nothing.

It seems more intuitively correct if he's town and just wants to throw out a read.
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
January 09 2016 13:45 GMT
#250
On January 09 2016 17:13 darthfoley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2016 16:51 Eden1892 wrote:
On January 09 2016 16:34 darthfoley wrote:
I'm also voting Koshi as it stands. The more I look at his posts, the less helpful they seem to the Town.

##Vote: Koshi

What is unhelpful about Koshi's posts in your own words? As they seem less helpful the more you look at them, I expect that you will be able to explain this pretty easily for this potato townie questioning you.


Well, originally I thought that the conversation's direction regarding sloosh was pretty productive. It got him talking, and also gave out a decent amount of info to sift through, which you've courteously done. Out of all the active players so far, I think rayne has been the most town; his posts are well thought out and his questions are inquisitive. So, I looked at Koshi closer because he was one of the adamant Sloosh scum posters next to rayne.

For me, I am mainly am just confused as to why he's been reluctant to back off Sloosh after saying he wouldn't target active townspeople on day 1. Maybe he strictly means he won't vote for active townspeople but still target them in discussion, though his grilling of Sloosh followed by a pivot towards a poster with no history seems out of place and too random for my liking. He cites "terrible" reasons that he probably won't remember in the morning, which basically provides no information about anything at all. Why couldn't he include at least an outline of something relevant?

I'm unclear on Sloosh, because some of his questioning lacks a clear direction and looks kind of filler. I think Giygas is town as of now. Your point on his intuitive search for more info at the start of the game re game setup is an angle I hadn't thought of.



I feel like you contradict yourself in the two bold statements.

You wonder why he won't back off Sloosh when he says he won't target active towns people.
Then he backs off Sloosh to target inactive towns people.
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
January 09 2016 13:46 GMT
#251
What do you think of this contradiction @darth?
GGTeMpLaR
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United States7226 Posts
January 09 2016 14:01 GMT
#253
Noon any idea what is going on in Koshi's head voting you?
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
January 09 2016 14:12 GMT
#254
On January 09 2016 18:33 mderg wrote:
rayn has pretty much been the towniest towner that ever towned so far.




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On January 09 2016 13:37 GiygaS wrote:
Currently feeling weird about mderg and sloosh. Sloosh for reasons other people are giving, and I find it weird that mderg showed up, talked about my question (NAI) then peaced out for no good reason.

darth, templar was talking about toning down defending his early reads late in to the game. That post is not going to mean anything d1 if you're just evaluating if he's staying true to it or not.

I might have had one of the best reasons possible to peace out... it was 2am here


I find this post very scummy.

It feels like you're being excessive with how 'obviously' you know Rayn is town and the word choice of 'towniest towner ever towned' seems contrived, like you're trying to appear silly and nonthreatening.

Also I personally am not so chill when people accuse me of disappearing when I clearly had to go to work/sleep in a game but I don't detect any irritation in your post (unsure what to make of that but it strikes me as weird as well).

On January 09 2016 19:37 mderg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2016 19:09 mderg wrote:
I don't like darthfoley so far because of this:

On January 09 2016 17:13 darthfoley wrote:
For me, I am mainly am just confused as to why he's been reluctant to back off Sloosh after saying he wouldn't target active townspeople on day 1. Maybe he strictly means he won't vote for active townspeople but still target them in discussion, though his grilling of Sloosh followed by a pivot towards a poster with no history seems out of place and too random for my liking.

On January 09 2016 13:33 darthfoley wrote:
I do think it's strange that Templar talks in his opening post about "toning it down a bit" and then doesn't really contribute much, followed by a vote on sloosh. It seems like he's already deviating from the plan he set up an hour ago, leading me to have a scum read on him so far


Feels like the stuff you come up with, if you're trying to scumread someone just for the sake of scumreading people.

This would have been better instead of the first quote
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On January 09 2016 16:31 darthfoley wrote:
Koshi trying to sway Rayne's town read on sloosh seems out of place to me, given that Sloosh has been a pretty active poster so far; it contradicts one of his first posts in the game.

Some more explanation:
He scumreads two people for not doing things how they promised to do things. But if you really think about it, scum usually thinks much more about their appearance in things like this and town just plays how they think on the spot. So it actually makes much more sense for town to contradict what they said a few hours before. This makes me think darthfoley didn't think about it and just went: contradiction --> free scumread



This is a narrative/explanatory post of another's play in quite a bit of detail which I find scummy in-of-itself. Maybe I don't quite understand what your goal is here, so if that's the case feel free to correct me.

With regards to Eden, I just want to trust him as town his posting just gives me vibes of genuine town honestly trying to project town and solve the game. I trust him.
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
January 09 2016 14:13 GMT
#255
Quick summary

[g]koshi, eden, rayn[/green]

[r]sloosh, mderg, darth[/red]
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
January 09 2016 14:13 GMT
#256
-facepalm-
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
January 09 2016 14:19 GMT
#258
On January 09 2016 23:17 nooniansoong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2016 23:01 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Noon any idea what is going on in Koshi's head voting you?


Hmm I'm guessing it was the fact that I was posting in another game and ignoring this one.


What do you think of Koshi and Giyga?
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
January 09 2016 14:28 GMT
#260
Check his filter it's not long.
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
January 09 2016 14:35 GMT
#262
On January 09 2016 23:31 mderg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2016 23:12 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On January 09 2016 18:33 mderg wrote:
rayn has pretty much been the towniest towner that ever towned so far.




On January 09 2016 13:37 GiygaS wrote:
Currently feeling weird about mderg and sloosh. Sloosh for reasons other people are giving, and I find it weird that mderg showed up, talked about my question (NAI) then peaced out for no good reason.

darth, templar was talking about toning down defending his early reads late in to the game. That post is not going to mean anything d1 if you're just evaluating if he's staying true to it or not.

I might have had one of the best reasons possible to peace out... it was 2am here


I find this post very scummy.

It feels like you're being excessive with how 'obviously' you know Rayn is town and the word choice of 'towniest towner ever towned' seems contrived, like you're trying to appear silly and nonthreatening.

Also I personally am not so chill when people accuse me of disappearing when I clearly had to go to work/sleep in a game but I don't detect any irritation in your post (unsure what to make of that but it strikes me as weird as well).

On January 09 2016 19:37 mderg wrote:
On January 09 2016 19:09 mderg wrote:
I don't like darthfoley so far because of this:

On January 09 2016 17:13 darthfoley wrote:
For me, I am mainly am just confused as to why he's been reluctant to back off Sloosh after saying he wouldn't target active townspeople on day 1. Maybe he strictly means he won't vote for active townspeople but still target them in discussion, though his grilling of Sloosh followed by a pivot towards a poster with no history seems out of place and too random for my liking.

On January 09 2016 13:33 darthfoley wrote:
I do think it's strange that Templar talks in his opening post about "toning it down a bit" and then doesn't really contribute much, followed by a vote on sloosh. It seems like he's already deviating from the plan he set up an hour ago, leading me to have a scum read on him so far


Feels like the stuff you come up with, if you're trying to scumread someone just for the sake of scumreading people.

This would have been better instead of the first quote
On January 09 2016 16:31 darthfoley wrote:
Koshi trying to sway Rayne's town read on sloosh seems out of place to me, given that Sloosh has been a pretty active poster so far; it contradicts one of his first posts in the game.

Some more explanation:
He scumreads two people for not doing things how they promised to do things. But if you really think about it, scum usually thinks much more about their appearance in things like this and town just plays how they think on the spot. So it actually makes much more sense for town to contradict what they said a few hours before. This makes me think darthfoley didn't think about it and just went: contradiction --> free scumread



This is a narrative/explanatory post of another's play in quite a bit of detail which I find scummy in-of-itself. Maybe I don't quite understand what your goal is here, so if that's the case feel free to correct me.

With regards to Eden, I just want to trust him as town his posting just gives me vibes of genuine town honestly trying to project town and solve the game. I trust him.

1) Why would I not be so chill when someone accuses me of disappearing? I don't really understand.

2) My goal was to explain in detail why I didn't like darthfoley's posts


I just personally get really irritated when someone does something like that to me it always strikes me as stupid because I never intentionally disappear as either alignment. Maybe it's just me though -shrug-
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
January 09 2016 14:43 GMT
#265
On January 09 2016 23:38 nooniansoong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2016 13:28 GiygaS wrote:
On January 09 2016 13:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On January 09 2016 13:21 GiygaS wrote:
Fixed formatting
On January 09 2016 13:20 GiygaS wrote:
On January 09 2016 10:34 Koshi wrote:
On January 09 2016 09:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Actually Koshi why did you pick medic dodge as an example to the named VT question?
It has nothing to do with it.

Cuz I looked at the op and saw that a named vt could mean the difference between a cop and a doc. So mafia would know if they would have to medic dodge.

But the op is for 9 players. didn't see.

This post is weird cause look at the setups, both on page 1 and on page 5 (the actual possibilities):
page 1:
A: 1 Cop, 6 VTs, 2 Goons
B: 1 JK, 6 VTs, 2 Goons
C: 1 Boxer, 6 VTs, 1 Goon, 1 GF
D: 1 One-shot Cop, 1 JK, 5 VTs, 1 Goon, 1 GF

No named vt here so it can't mean the difference between cop and doc. But he says the op is for 9 players and made a mistake. What?

page 5:
The game setup is one of the following four:
A: 8 VT, 1 Cop, 1 Named VT, 1 Framer, 1 Roleblocker, 1 Goon
B: 8 VT, 1 Cop, 1 Doctor, 1 Roleblocker, 1 Godfather, 1 Goon
C: 8 VT, 1 Vigi, 1 Doctor, 1 Roleblocker, 1 Godfather, 1 Goon
D: 8 VT, 1 Vigi, 1 Veteran, 1 Framer, 1 Roleblocker, 1 Goon

So I went through the possibilities where named vt is the difference between a cop and a doc. A is the only scenario where it shows up, and cop appears in it and doc doesn't. The only scenario where Doc shows up and cop doesn't is C, but this would mean that either he's mafia and the team setup is RB GF Goon, or he's vig. However, vig cant be his role, because there's no situation where cop and vig are in the same game.


I don't think you should think this is alignment indicative.
Koshi is most likely telling the truth about not reading the setup on p5 (game start) as if he was lying and covering up later he would have covered up properly (he also misread the OP rofl).

So the only conclusion is Koshi was being dumb, as either alignment.

Eh, I'll take it with a grain of salt but I'd be lying if I said it won't affect my view on him looking forward.

I like gigyas as town. Town read started here. This read here is nuanced when scums reads are more cut and dry.


I liked him too after I read his filter.
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
January 09 2016 16:51 GMT
#277
On January 10 2016 01:10 boxerfred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2016 23:13 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Quick summary

[g]koshi, eden, rayn

[r]sloosh, mderg, darth

how is koshi green in your head
[/green][/red]

I've already explained my initial townread on Kush and I haven't really seen anything I strongly scumread from him since then.

Regarding your arguments against him here - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/501039-unoriginal-name-mini-mafia?page=14#266

I think your first point about his pre-lynch excuse for lynching outside ongoing wagons made me thinking 'that's a sick play as mafia', but it seems like you've determined he's scum and attached this motive to his play when you could just read it at face value as well, which is what I feel is a more accurate interpretation.

I also think your analysis of his joke about wanting to lynch you is somewhat paranoid.

The nitpicking you mentioned from him was awkward but I didn't find it scummy.

Lastly, I disagree with your analysis of his vote on Noon.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/501039-unoriginal-name-mini-mafia?page=12#221

I still think Koshi is town and that the arguments for him being scum are entirely unconvincing.
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
January 09 2016 16:54 GMT
#279
On January 10 2016 01:47 slOosh wrote:
Doing a brief catch up and answering some questions, let me know if I missed anything.

@GGTeMpLaR
If it was self-apparent as to why you would lock someone town for a joke is wrong, then it highlights the fact that the "but" in your opening post seems out of place.

I'm not saying that is a scum tell, I was saying that it looked funny. Perhaps I asked the wrong question and went in a roundabout way of doing it, but that's what I did.

Right now I read GGTeMpLaR as more likely town for the confident demeanor and analysis of my approach.


I don't agree with your analysis of the grammar. The 'but' was a transition. Another example where this might be used is if you're saying something like 'blablabla... but on a serious note...X'. It probably would have made more sense if you imagine the bold having been inserted in my statement after the but to better convey the impression that I was making a joke.
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
January 09 2016 16:56 GMT
#280
'Yea John you messed up this report you're fired, but make sure you use the right front next time'
'Yea I wanna lock rayn-town, but I do townread him'

insert 'on a more serious note'

after the but and I guess it makes more sense
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
January 09 2016 16:57 GMT
#281
Dry humor is just difficult to convey through text sometimes.
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
January 09 2016 17:00 GMT
#285
I wasn't super impressed by what boxer had to say.

@sloOsh I would be most interested in your reads on darth, mderg, and boxer at this point.

Specifically mderg's read on darth.
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
January 09 2016 17:06 GMT
#287
I'm about to go to bed will refresh a couple more times in case there's any last questions. Here's another updated summary of where I'm at.

sloOsh boxerfred darthfoley mderg

Where I'm at right now though, I would be very surprised if only one of these scumreads is accurate. I think at the very least I've pinned down 2 scum in these red names.

GiygaS Eden1892 Nooniansoong Koshi Raynpelikoneet

I feel pretty good about all of these players being town.

??? Tubesock VayneAuthority Kmatt

No fkin clue
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
January 09 2016 17:18 GMT
#290
@noon Why'd you vote/unvote/vote rayn?
GGTeMpLaR
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January 09 2016 17:21 GMT
#293
Question still stands
GGTeMpLaR
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January 09 2016 17:21 GMT
#294
Also the mod post has him down as voting rayn but it should be on vayn right now
GGTeMpLaR
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January 09 2016 17:22 GMT
#296
I wanna know why he voted
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
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January 10 2016 09:30 GMT
#428
Not much has changed in my reads in the last 4-5 pages.

Reading through Tubesock's filter I don't find it particularly scummy at all. He hasn't oozed town for me yet either but I'd put him as a 'questionmark im ok with for today'

I also don't really see a strong case against Vayn either. If we want to lynch a lurker with no content Kmatt is really the only option.

I'd prefer for it to go on boxer, sloosh, or mderg. I still don't trust darth but he's had a couple posts I felt better about, one of them being

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/501039-unoriginal-name-mini-mafia?page=16#314

something just about his process of hunting scum felt unlikely to be from a mafia to me

GGTeMpLaR
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January 10 2016 09:34 GMT
#429
I feel really confident that we need to lynch in sloosh, mderg, and boxer to hit mafia today.

I feel less confident about which one I specifically want to lynch today.
GGTeMpLaR
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January 10 2016 09:48 GMT
#430
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/501039-unoriginal-name-mini-mafia?page=14#266
This sticks out to me more than anything else as one of the single-most scummy posts in the game. What do other people think?
GGTeMpLaR
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January 10 2016 09:51 GMT
#432
Rayn give me 2 names who you want to kill today.
GGTeMpLaR
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January 10 2016 09:58 GMT
#434
I want to lynch mderg slightly less than sloosh and boxerfred.
GGTeMpLaR
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January 10 2016 10:08 GMT
#438
#unvote
#vote: boxerfred
GGTeMpLaR
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January 10 2016 10:13 GMT
#440
Why noon over sloosh/boxer?
GGTeMpLaR
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January 10 2016 10:14 GMT
#441
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/501039-unoriginal-name-mini-mafia?page=13#259

I really liked this read from him
GGTeMpLaR
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January 10 2016 10:17 GMT
#442
Also liked his reason for townreading Giygas

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/501039-unoriginal-name-mini-mafia?page=14#263
GGTeMpLaR
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January 10 2016 10:18 GMT
#443
I think sloosh and boxer are both better lynches than noon.

Shit I even think darth/mberg are better lynches than noon.
GGTeMpLaR
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January 10 2016 10:20 GMT
#444
Going to the store I'm town convince me noon is mafia and for me to vote him or I'm going to attempt to undermine your lynch target and push my agenda
GGTeMpLaR
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January 10 2016 11:27 GMT
#454
I want to see noon's response to rayn.
GGTeMpLaR
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January 10 2016 15:44 GMT
#494
I'll be around for another hour or two before I go to bed won't be around for E.O.D.

I'm probably going to leave my vote on boxerfred unless convinced otherwise.
GGTeMpLaR
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January 10 2016 15:46 GMT
#497
I have been getting a town vibe from Tube's posts.

The other candidate I would be most ok lynching is Sloosh but I think boxer is the best lynch for today.
GGTeMpLaR
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January 10 2016 15:48 GMT
#500
I'm simply not convinced about the case on Noon I think he's town.
GGTeMpLaR
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January 11 2016 02:11 GMT
#768
So glad I changed my vote from sloosh to boxer.
GGTeMpLaR
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January 11 2016 02:53 GMT
#777
On January 11 2016 11:47 darthfoley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2016 11:03 GiygaS wrote:
Wine In Front Of Me


Offtopic but this is the best reenactment of mafia meta of all time lololol


That's where the term 'WIFOM' comes from so it's not exactly a 'reenactment'
GGTeMpLaR
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January 11 2016 03:53 GMT
#779
GGTeMpLaR
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January 12 2016 02:38 GMT
#981
So things happened.
GGTeMpLaR
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January 12 2016 02:40 GMT
#982
Gigyas and Sloosh now confirmed town.
GGTeMpLaR
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January 12 2016 02:40 GMT
#983
We know there's a framer and a goon.
GGTeMpLaR
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January 12 2016 03:01 GMT
#986
So it's statistically more likely his check landed on a scum and not the frame.

I do scumread darth

This is the second scummiest post in the game:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/501039-unoriginal-name-mini-mafia?page=44#873

Regarding Tubesock, it's not like my suspicion of Tubesock emerged out of thin air with a couple hours left in the day phase. I hadn't liked his first substantive post and ultimately I felt like Tubesock didn't have much of a case against Giygas past the one we debunked.

He's got a guilty conscience "it's not like my suspicion emerged out of thin air" (don't think it emerged out of thin air)

You can say i'm feigning ignorance but I just haven't ever played a game with a Named VT before. Other than that, the only non substantive questions I've asked have been about in game abbreviations. Sorry I didn't know what WIFOM means?

He does it again here. He's predicting criticisms of his own play prior to them happening. "You might accuse me of feigning ignorance, but..."

Also the passive-aggressive "sorry you scumread me for not knowing what WIFOM means"

I just don't think this post comes from a town
GGTeMpLaR
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January 12 2016 03:02 GMT
#987
I am somewhat conflicted on Tube, will explain shortly.
GGTeMpLaR
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January 12 2016 03:45 GMT
#988
So to preface this, from a purely statistical perspective, there's 2 scum that can be redchecked versus one town that can be framechecked, meaning it's twice as likely that the redcheck is in fact a mafia.

I haven't felt strongly about Tube but thought his d1 play wasn't particularly suspicious.

This post really stuck out to me though:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/501039-unoriginal-name-mini-mafia?page=42#836

I pretty much had been thinking about the same exact things he said in this post. I was extremely suspicious of Rayn based on how the EOD went with him trying to get the votes off boxer and on to noon, despite earlier claiming boxer was a fine lynch.

However, there are a few differences in our thought patterns. I figured I would hold off on saying anything as I had other scumreads, could still see Rayn being town here, and there is always a chance Rayn dies in the night (but becomes less likely if he is being scumread, whereas if scum think he is universally townread he is more likely to die in the night).

However, I think this play is much more risky for me as there is a chance I die in the night based on my D1 play and never get to voice this contrary possibility that Rayn could be mafia, whereas Tube almost never dies in the night.

So my problem is, why bother voicing all this suspicion in the night when if you just keep quiet, you could potentially say nothing and Rayn is a high priority nightkill for mafia if he is town. Worst case scenario Rayn is mafia and one of the people who lynched boxer d1 dies in the night, then you can voice this (what I believed to be a great) argument at D2 start.

Basically, I feel like I was literally in the same shoes as Tubesock but felt compelled to not say anything until D2 despite the higher risk of dying in the night, whereas Tubesock felt compelled to voice these concerns before the mafia-kill was announced despite the fact that he was almost never dying in the night. It's like I want to townread him for having the same mindset on me with regards to Rayn, but it wasn't 'exactly' the same with regards to game sense.

It's also something I've seem mafia do (including myself) in an attempt to clear themselves (have a nightkill picked then attempt to bury their nightkill as mafia right before flipping and revealing them as town). It makes others ask 'why would he spend all that time arguing x is mafia if he's just going to kill x in the night'. wifom wifom wifom.. he could be town and just have thought they were mafia. But my question still begs, why rush out all this information in the night? The timing feels off.

For these reasons, I would have no objections to a Tubesock lynch today. It's not so much I have a scumread on him, but he has quite a lot of content and I still don't really have a firm townread on him, he is redchecked by the cop (statistically more likely to be mafia than framed), and the timing of his Rayn push feels very 'off'.

I think it would be best if we limited our discussion to a set number of lynches rather than have votes as spread as they were D1 (it was very lucky that the boxer lynch actually even went through, if mafia were more coordinated they probably could have easily thwarted it).

My suggestion is that we either lynch darth or tube today, depending on what everyone thinks.
GGTeMpLaR
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January 12 2016 03:48 GMT
#989
Both are fine lynches in my eyes and I don't really see anyone else being as good of a lynch as the two of them.
GGTeMpLaR
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United States7226 Posts
January 12 2016 10:29 GMT
#1004
On January 12 2016 18:30 Koshi wrote:
I also hate claims because now we won't play mafia.

If Tube is town I cannot believe mafia didn't frame themselves. I just can't believe that.


Well if he's mafia they didn't frame themselves either.
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
January 12 2016 10:43 GMT
#1008
I don't see any world where we don't kill both darth and tube this game.
GGTeMpLaR
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January 12 2016 10:58 GMT
#1010
If they're both hypothetically scum and darth sees tube is already getting lynched he could just want some towncred. Especially if Tube is the nilla mafia.

He changed votes 30 minutes prior to E.O.D.

I would relook at his filter to see how he was reading Tube throughout the game and if the vote at the time made sense.
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
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January 12 2016 10:58 GMT
#1011
I just independently read them both scum more-so than everyone else in the game.
GGTeMpLaR
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January 12 2016 11:00 GMT
#1012
I'll probably reread both their filters before I vote anyways.
GGTeMpLaR
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January 12 2016 11:14 GMT
#1013
On January 09 2016 11:30 Tubesock wrote:
I finally ended my Godfather streak

Also hi


lol
GGTeMpLaR
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January 12 2016 16:18 GMT
#1044
##Vote: Tubesock
GGTeMpLaR
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January 13 2016 03:07 GMT
#1124
It's weirdin me out that he's trying so hard
GGTeMpLaR
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January 14 2016 03:34 GMT
#1209
I want to lynch darth tomorrow.
GGTeMpLaR
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January 15 2016 01:56 GMT
#1245
On January 15 2016 02:38 slOosh wrote:
Koshi & GGTeMpLaR,

Could I have your top 3 lynch preferences and level of certainty?


Darth/mberg
~75%

GGTeMpLaR
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January 15 2016 02:02 GMT
#1246
mberg can be cleared through logic though I think if/when Darth flips scum

If Darth flips town a lot of things make sense for a noon/mberg team where noon is nilla and mberg is framer.
GGTeMpLaR
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January 15 2016 02:05 GMT
#1247
Actually I take back my mberg/darth associative read it isn't failproof.

Point is I still want to lynch Darth
GGTeMpLaR
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January 15 2016 02:08 GMT
#1248
And he's dead now...
GGTeMpLaR
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January 15 2016 02:14 GMT
#1250
Also Giygas, I wouldn't even out the cop check it's useless.
GGTeMpLaR
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January 15 2016 02:15 GMT
#1251
On January 15 2016 11:13 Eden1892 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2016 11:02 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
mberg can be cleared through logic though I think if/when Darth flips scum

If Darth flips town a lot of things make sense for a noon/mberg team where noon is nilla and mberg is framer.

What is this associative read you have between mderg and darthfoley?


It's just from the D1 votelogic
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
January 15 2016 02:16 GMT
#1252
Screwit if you guys want to lynch noon let's lynch noon I feel like I've been defending him all game and I don't even remember why
GGTeMpLaR
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January 15 2016 02:16 GMT
#1253
##Vote: Noon
GGTeMpLaR
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January 15 2016 05:53 GMT
#1262
I would rather kill darth or mberg than noon
GGTeMpLaR
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January 15 2016 06:52 GMT
#1269
You don't want to kill noon Giygas?
GGTeMpLaR
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January 15 2016 15:48 GMT
#1285
Check literally doesn't matter it's a scumhunt set-up
GGTeMpLaR
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January 16 2016 01:58 GMT
#1298
Actually I'm willing to bet that's an accurate check. Even if Koshi is mafia there is no way he expects to get checked over the others so he's going to frame someone more likely to be checked.
GGTeMpLaR
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January 17 2016 01:37 GMT
#1329
Well it's autowin mberg is cleared now too.
GGTeMpLaR
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January 17 2016 02:07 GMT
#1335
I believe the last one is either darth or scott.
GGTeMpLaR
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January 17 2016 09:17 GMT
#1345
I think the only world it makes sense is if he's just trying to lower the votes on the main mafia wagon (from 4 to 3) enough for the secondary town wagon to get pushed over.

Problem is his other partner could have easily become the secondary wagon so it doesn't even matter.

It's just super risky and unlikely he ever did that as mafia.
GGTeMpLaR
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January 18 2016 04:49 GMT
#1360
##Vote: Scott
GGTeMpLaR
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January 19 2016 01:50 GMT
#1399
##Vote: darth
GGTeMpLaR
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January 19 2016 10:43 GMT
#1411
On January 19 2016 15:23 Eden1892 wrote:
Meh I'm going deep again.

Scott is town. It's 100% WIFOM when he says that he would have conceded during the night while everyone was saying he was the next day's lynch, but I completely believe it anyway. His posting has been very schizophrenic this game to me -- spurts of activity out of nowhere, lots of half-completed analysis and questions without follow-up, then dropping off for a while and not doing anything -- and on the surface it looks like a mafia that's making a token effort to be involved but not really invested in the game. I'd think in that scenario he would concede during N3.

IDK if Scott is the type of player that would make the town prove they have the win locked up or not, but his play this game doesn't speak to the kind of work ethic that typically accompanies that mentality from scum.

So the fact that we're even here makes me think he's most likely town. Could be he just decided he wasn't going to phone it in -- the argument is 100% WIFOM but I'm making it anyway cuz sometimes you just get that read and ya gotta go for it.


I reread mderg's filter and his interaction with kush (and kush's push on him) is also a bit too sincere to believe that it came from kush's partner. Like I'm trying to imagine those two planning it out in the QT and it doesn't flow right with how they're talking to each other. I'm bad at articulating this point, but just go read their brief interaction there during n1(?) when kush says mderg looks kinda scummy and you'll (hopefully) see it. It's too natural to be set up beforehand, but kush does it so abruptly (in respect to the thread direction) that it doesn't look like something you just spontaneously do as mafia, either. The only way I see it happening is if kush just up and decided to case his partner without saying anything, which I guess I could see kush doing, but I just don't.



Show nested quote +
On January 15 2016 11:16 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Screwit if you guys want to lynch noon let's lynch noon I feel like I've been defending him all game and I don't even remember why


GGTemplar, why did you make this post and lynch noon?


He started trolling so I stopped defending him.
GGTeMpLaR
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January 19 2016 10:46 GMT
#1412
Rayn flipping town was really certain he was mafia.

I wasn't sure he was town.

Lots of people wanted to kill him.

He stopped trying to defend himself

Why not?
GGTeMpLaR
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January 19 2016 11:08 GMT
#1413
If it makes you feel better he probably would have fought harder if someone like Koshi/Eden/Myself was mafia as his chances of winning were still good were that the case.

This game is very straight forward I believe.
GGTeMpLaR
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January 20 2016 01:52 GMT
#1464
GG everyone WP
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