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I want to lock-town rayn for his red bull joke but I do townread his more comic demeanor the last time I played with him he was a very aggressive mafia player. I like his reason for townreading gigyas too. I also feel pretty good about koshi being town I just like his style it seems very natural and honest which is difficult to replicate as mafia | ||
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On January 09 2016 10:59 slOosh wrote: Hello there GGTeMpLaR! Could I ask about your "defending my early-reads"? Do they tend to be scum or town or both? How is me going into further detail about my previous meta going to help you solve my alignment when I am intentionally going to be attempting to stray from it this game? | ||
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On January 09 2016 12:25 slOosh wrote: Hmm big things are you as strong town for picking up on similar things to me + more. GGTeMpLaR I also noticed his first post was kinda awkward, but I felt like he could very well be those townies that if you pressure they just ... react poorly? I'm not sure how to phrase it, but I don't think a direct pressure approach would work out. So I wanted him to post on something else to figure out if he is nervous b/c scum or nervous b/c newer player. Vayne ... I feel like he is reading me slightly more scum than someone reasonably could? Either that or his style of playing is very different to mine, almost like Oatsmaster or something if he is still around. No one else has too much for me. It felt like you were asking a question that didn't result in you determining my alignment. Which is just asking a question for the sake of 'looking inquisitive' for a mafia to appear townie. | ||
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However, I have several hundreds of hours of videomafia played. | ||
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On January 09 2016 14:41 slOosh wrote: Aight if people don't like the way I'm posting, I'll just cut the extra footage and post tl;drs. Why the "but"? "I town read rayn b/c his joke" and "scum rayn played very aggressively last time I played with him" are two points that work together. This makes it look like your post was doctored and you forgot to fix this part, since scum take lots of time to craft proper posts while town just post what's on their mind. Additionally, why the hesitation to vote me? I meant to imply that I'm not literally locking him town for the joke, but I do townread him for reasons stated. I didn't hesitate to vote you at all. | ||
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On January 09 2016 15:21 slOosh wrote: What's wrong with locking him town for the joke? Why not vote with the post where you say I look like mafia? What is your opinion on Koshi? I wouldn't lock someone town over something I think could be that easily replicated as mafia. | ||
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You're more-so just trying to discredit my vote and scumread of you without providing any real content other than 'why?' 'why?' 'why?' | ||
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I think it ought to be self-apparent as to why locking him town for his joke would be 'wrong'. | ||
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You now know I am not a new player and have already revealed that you attempted to apply pressure to make me nervous, which means I am aware of your tactic. What is the point of this rhetorical line of questioning you are throwing at me? | ||
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Point being, I'm not nervous and I don't see your inquiries into me to be coming from a townie mindset. | ||
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On January 09 2016 16:54 Eden1892 wrote: This is really out of the blue to me. noonian has posted literal nothing. Pretty sure you won't answer this until you wake up, and I hope you remember them, because I want to know them, so you're gonna need to tell me to the best of your recollection. I actually think that it would be very strange for him to 'design' this plan as a mafia alignment. Best case scenario he gets people to critically reread Noon's filter which, as you said, is practically nothing. It seems more intuitively correct if he's town and just wants to throw out a read. | ||
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On January 09 2016 17:13 darthfoley wrote: Well, originally I thought that the conversation's direction regarding sloosh was pretty productive. It got him talking, and also gave out a decent amount of info to sift through, which you've courteously done. Out of all the active players so far, I think rayne has been the most town; his posts are well thought out and his questions are inquisitive. So, I looked at Koshi closer because he was one of the adamant Sloosh scum posters next to rayne. For me, I am mainly am just confused as to why he's been reluctant to back off Sloosh after saying he wouldn't target active townspeople on day 1. Maybe he strictly means he won't vote for active townspeople but still target them in discussion, though his grilling of Sloosh followed by a pivot towards a poster with no history seems out of place and too random for my liking. He cites "terrible" reasons that he probably won't remember in the morning, which basically provides no information about anything at all. Why couldn't he include at least an outline of something relevant? I'm unclear on Sloosh, because some of his questioning lacks a clear direction and looks kind of filler. I think Giygas is town as of now. Your point on his intuitive search for more info at the start of the game re game setup is an angle I hadn't thought of. I feel like you contradict yourself in the two bold statements. You wonder why he won't back off Sloosh when he says he won't target active towns people. Then he backs off Sloosh to target inactive towns people. | ||
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On January 09 2016 18:33 mderg wrote: rayn has pretty much been the towniest towner that ever towned so far. I might have had one of the best reasons possible to peace out... it was 2am here I find this post very scummy. It feels like you're being excessive with how 'obviously' you know Rayn is town and the word choice of 'towniest towner ever towned' seems contrived, like you're trying to appear silly and nonthreatening. Also I personally am not so chill when people accuse me of disappearing when I clearly had to go to work/sleep in a game but I don't detect any irritation in your post (unsure what to make of that but it strikes me as weird as well). On January 09 2016 19:37 mderg wrote: This would have been better instead of the first quote Some more explanation: He scumreads two people for not doing things how they promised to do things. But if you really think about it, scum usually thinks much more about their appearance in things like this and town just plays how they think on the spot. So it actually makes much more sense for town to contradict what they said a few hours before. This makes me think darthfoley didn't think about it and just went: contradiction --> free scumread This is a narrative/explanatory post of another's play in quite a bit of detail which I find scummy in-of-itself. Maybe I don't quite understand what your goal is here, so if that's the case feel free to correct me. With regards to Eden, I just want to trust him as town his posting just gives me vibes of genuine town honestly trying to project town and solve the game. I trust him. | ||
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[g]koshi, eden, rayn[/green] [r]sloosh, mderg, darth[/red] | ||
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On January 09 2016 23:17 nooniansoong wrote: Hmm I'm guessing it was the fact that I was posting in another game and ignoring this one. What do you think of Koshi and Giyga? | ||
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On January 09 2016 23:31 mderg wrote: 1) Why would I not be so chill when someone accuses me of disappearing? I don't really understand. 2) My goal was to explain in detail why I didn't like darthfoley's posts I just personally get really irritated when someone does something like that to me it always strikes me as stupid because I never intentionally disappear as either alignment. Maybe it's just me though -shrug- | ||
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On January 09 2016 23:38 nooniansoong wrote: I like gigyas as town. Town read started here. This read here is nuanced when scums reads are more cut and dry. I liked him too after I read his filter. | ||
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I've already explained my initial townread on Kush and I haven't really seen anything I strongly scumread from him since then. Regarding your arguments against him here - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/501039-unoriginal-name-mini-mafia?page=14#266 I think your first point about his pre-lynch excuse for lynching outside ongoing wagons made me thinking 'that's a sick play as mafia', but it seems like you've determined he's scum and attached this motive to his play when you could just read it at face value as well, which is what I feel is a more accurate interpretation. I also think your analysis of his joke about wanting to lynch you is somewhat paranoid. The nitpicking you mentioned from him was awkward but I didn't find it scummy. Lastly, I disagree with your analysis of his vote on Noon. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/501039-unoriginal-name-mini-mafia?page=12#221 I still think Koshi is town and that the arguments for him being scum are entirely unconvincing. | ||
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On January 10 2016 01:47 slOosh wrote: Doing a brief catch up and answering some questions, let me know if I missed anything. @GGTeMpLaR If it was self-apparent as to why you would lock someone town for a joke is wrong, then it highlights the fact that the "but" in your opening post seems out of place. I'm not saying that is a scum tell, I was saying that it looked funny. Perhaps I asked the wrong question and went in a roundabout way of doing it, but that's what I did. Right now I read GGTeMpLaR as more likely town for the confident demeanor and analysis of my approach. I don't agree with your analysis of the grammar. The 'but' was a transition. Another example where this might be used is if you're saying something like 'blablabla... but on a serious note...X'. It probably would have made more sense if you imagine the bold having been inserted in my statement after the but to better convey the impression that I was making a joke. | ||
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'Yea I wanna lock rayn-town, but I do townread him' insert 'on a more serious note' after the but and I guess it makes more sense | ||
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@sloOsh I would be most interested in your reads on darth, mderg, and boxer at this point. Specifically mderg's read on darth. | ||
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sloOsh boxerfred darthfoley mderg Where I'm at right now though, I would be very surprised if only one of these scumreads is accurate. I think at the very least I've pinned down 2 scum in these red names. GiygaS Eden1892 Nooniansoong Koshi Raynpelikoneet I feel pretty good about all of these players being town. ??? Tubesock VayneAuthority Kmatt No fkin clue | ||
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Reading through Tubesock's filter I don't find it particularly scummy at all. He hasn't oozed town for me yet either but I'd put him as a 'questionmark im ok with for today' I also don't really see a strong case against Vayn either. If we want to lynch a lurker with no content Kmatt is really the only option. I'd prefer for it to go on boxer, sloosh, or mderg. I still don't trust darth but he's had a couple posts I felt better about, one of them being http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/501039-unoriginal-name-mini-mafia?page=16#314 something just about his process of hunting scum felt unlikely to be from a mafia to me | ||
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I feel less confident about which one I specifically want to lynch today. | ||
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This sticks out to me more than anything else as one of the single-most scummy posts in the game. What do other people think? | ||
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#vote: boxerfred | ||
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I really liked this read from him | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/501039-unoriginal-name-mini-mafia?page=14#263 | ||
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Shit I even think darth/mberg are better lynches than noon. | ||
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I'm probably going to leave my vote on boxerfred unless convinced otherwise. | ||
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The other candidate I would be most ok lynching is Sloosh but I think boxer is the best lynch for today. | ||
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On January 11 2016 11:47 darthfoley wrote: Offtopic but this is the best reenactment of mafia meta of all time lololol That's where the term 'WIFOM' comes from so it's not exactly a 'reenactment' | ||
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I do scumread darth This is the second scummiest post in the game: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/501039-unoriginal-name-mini-mafia?page=44#873 Regarding Tubesock, it's not like my suspicion of Tubesock emerged out of thin air with a couple hours left in the day phase. I hadn't liked his first substantive post and ultimately I felt like Tubesock didn't have much of a case against Giygas past the one we debunked. He's got a guilty conscience "it's not like my suspicion emerged out of thin air" (don't think it emerged out of thin air) You can say i'm feigning ignorance but I just haven't ever played a game with a Named VT before. Other than that, the only non substantive questions I've asked have been about in game abbreviations. Sorry I didn't know what WIFOM means? He does it again here. He's predicting criticisms of his own play prior to them happening. "You might accuse me of feigning ignorance, but..." Also the passive-aggressive "sorry you scumread me for not knowing what WIFOM means" I just don't think this post comes from a town | ||
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I haven't felt strongly about Tube but thought his d1 play wasn't particularly suspicious. This post really stuck out to me though: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/501039-unoriginal-name-mini-mafia?page=42#836 I pretty much had been thinking about the same exact things he said in this post. I was extremely suspicious of Rayn based on how the EOD went with him trying to get the votes off boxer and on to noon, despite earlier claiming boxer was a fine lynch. However, there are a few differences in our thought patterns. I figured I would hold off on saying anything as I had other scumreads, could still see Rayn being town here, and there is always a chance Rayn dies in the night (but becomes less likely if he is being scumread, whereas if scum think he is universally townread he is more likely to die in the night). However, I think this play is much more risky for me as there is a chance I die in the night based on my D1 play and never get to voice this contrary possibility that Rayn could be mafia, whereas Tube almost never dies in the night. So my problem is, why bother voicing all this suspicion in the night when if you just keep quiet, you could potentially say nothing and Rayn is a high priority nightkill for mafia if he is town. Worst case scenario Rayn is mafia and one of the people who lynched boxer d1 dies in the night, then you can voice this (what I believed to be a great) argument at D2 start. Basically, I feel like I was literally in the same shoes as Tubesock but felt compelled to not say anything until D2 despite the higher risk of dying in the night, whereas Tubesock felt compelled to voice these concerns before the mafia-kill was announced despite the fact that he was almost never dying in the night. It's like I want to townread him for having the same mindset on me with regards to Rayn, but it wasn't 'exactly' the same with regards to game sense. It's also something I've seem mafia do (including myself) in an attempt to clear themselves (have a nightkill picked then attempt to bury their nightkill as mafia right before flipping and revealing them as town). It makes others ask 'why would he spend all that time arguing x is mafia if he's just going to kill x in the night'. wifom wifom wifom.. he could be town and just have thought they were mafia. But my question still begs, why rush out all this information in the night? The timing feels off. For these reasons, I would have no objections to a Tubesock lynch today. It's not so much I have a scumread on him, but he has quite a lot of content and I still don't really have a firm townread on him, he is redchecked by the cop (statistically more likely to be mafia than framed), and the timing of his Rayn push feels very 'off'. I think it would be best if we limited our discussion to a set number of lynches rather than have votes as spread as they were D1 (it was very lucky that the boxer lynch actually even went through, if mafia were more coordinated they probably could have easily thwarted it). My suggestion is that we either lynch darth or tube today, depending on what everyone thinks. | ||
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On January 12 2016 18:30 Koshi wrote: I also hate claims because now we won't play mafia. If Tube is town I cannot believe mafia didn't frame themselves. I just can't believe that. Well if he's mafia they didn't frame themselves either. | ||
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He changed votes 30 minutes prior to E.O.D. I would relook at his filter to see how he was reading Tube throughout the game and if the vote at the time made sense. | ||
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On January 09 2016 11:30 Tubesock wrote: I finally ended my Godfather streak Also hi lol | ||
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On January 15 2016 02:38 slOosh wrote: Koshi & GGTeMpLaR, Could I have your top 3 lynch preferences and level of certainty? Darth/mberg ~75% | ||
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If Darth flips town a lot of things make sense for a noon/mberg team where noon is nilla and mberg is framer. | ||
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Point is I still want to lynch Darth | ||
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On January 15 2016 11:13 Eden1892 wrote: What is this associative read you have between mderg and darthfoley? It's just from the D1 votelogic | ||
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Problem is his other partner could have easily become the secondary wagon so it doesn't even matter. It's just super risky and unlikely he ever did that as mafia. | ||
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On January 19 2016 15:23 Eden1892 wrote: Meh I'm going deep again. Scott is town. It's 100% WIFOM when he says that he would have conceded during the night while everyone was saying he was the next day's lynch, but I completely believe it anyway. His posting has been very schizophrenic this game to me -- spurts of activity out of nowhere, lots of half-completed analysis and questions without follow-up, then dropping off for a while and not doing anything -- and on the surface it looks like a mafia that's making a token effort to be involved but not really invested in the game. I'd think in that scenario he would concede during N3. IDK if Scott is the type of player that would make the town prove they have the win locked up or not, but his play this game doesn't speak to the kind of work ethic that typically accompanies that mentality from scum. So the fact that we're even here makes me think he's most likely town. Could be he just decided he wasn't going to phone it in -- the argument is 100% WIFOM but I'm making it anyway cuz sometimes you just get that read and ya gotta go for it. I reread mderg's filter and his interaction with kush (and kush's push on him) is also a bit too sincere to believe that it came from kush's partner. Like I'm trying to imagine those two planning it out in the QT and it doesn't flow right with how they're talking to each other. I'm bad at articulating this point, but just go read their brief interaction there during n1(?) when kush says mderg looks kinda scummy and you'll (hopefully) see it. It's too natural to be set up beforehand, but kush does it so abruptly (in respect to the thread direction) that it doesn't look like something you just spontaneously do as mafia, either. The only way I see it happening is if kush just up and decided to case his partner without saying anything, which I guess I could see kush doing, but I just don't. GGTemplar, why did you make this post and lynch noon? He started trolling so I stopped defending him. | ||
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I wasn't sure he was town. Lots of people wanted to kill him. He stopped trying to defend himself Why not? | ||
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This game is very straight forward I believe. | ||
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