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On January 09 2016 23:12 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2016 18:33 mderg wrote:rayn has pretty much been the towniest towner that ever towned so far. On January 09 2016 13:37 GiygaS wrote:
Currently feeling weird about mderg and sloosh. Sloosh for reasons other people are giving, and I find it weird that mderg showed up, talked about my question (NAI) then peaced out for no good reason.
darth, templar was talking about toning down defending his early reads late in to the game. That post is not going to mean anything d1 if you're just evaluating if he's staying true to it or not. I might have had one of the best reasons possible to peace out... it was 2am here  I find this post very scummy. It feels like you're being excessive with how 'obviously' you know Rayn is town and the word choice of 'towniest towner ever towned' seems contrived, like you're trying to appear silly and nonthreatening. Also I personally am not so chill when people accuse me of disappearing when I clearly had to go to work/sleep in a game but I don't detect any irritation in your post (unsure what to make of that but it strikes me as weird as well). Show nested quote +On January 09 2016 19:37 mderg wrote:On January 09 2016 19:09 mderg wrote:I don't like darthfoley so far because of this: On January 09 2016 17:13 darthfoley wrote:
For me, I am mainly am just confused as to why he's been reluctant to back off Sloosh after saying he wouldn't target active townspeople on day 1. Maybe he strictly means he won't vote for active townspeople but still target them in discussion, though his grilling of Sloosh followed by a pivot towards a poster with no history seems out of place and too random for my liking. On January 09 2016 13:33 darthfoley wrote:
I do think it's strange that Templar talks in his opening post about "toning it down a bit" and then doesn't really contribute much, followed by a vote on sloosh. It seems like he's already deviating from the plan he set up an hour ago, leading me to have a scum read on him so far Feels like the stuff you come up with, if you're trying to scumread someone just for the sake of scumreading people. This would have been better instead of the first quote On January 09 2016 16:31 darthfoley wrote:
Koshi trying to sway Rayne's town read on sloosh seems out of place to me, given that Sloosh has been a pretty active poster so far; it contradicts one of his first posts in the game.
Some more explanation: He scumreads two people for not doing things how they promised to do things. But if you really think about it, scum usually thinks much more about their appearance in things like this and town just plays how they think on the spot. So it actually makes much more sense for town to contradict what they said a few hours before. This makes me think darthfoley didn't think about it and just went: contradiction --> free scumread This is a narrative/explanatory post of another's play in quite a bit of detail which I find scummy in-of-itself. Maybe I don't quite understand what your goal is here, so if that's the case feel free to correct me. With regards to Eden, I just want to trust him as town his posting just gives me vibes of genuine town honestly trying to project town and solve the game. I trust him.
1) Why would I not be so chill when someone accuses me of disappearing? I don't really understand.
2) My goal was to explain in detail why I didn't like darthfoley's posts
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On January 09 2016 23:31 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2016 23:12 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On January 09 2016 18:33 mderg wrote:rayn has pretty much been the towniest towner that ever towned so far. On January 09 2016 13:37 GiygaS wrote:
Currently feeling weird about mderg and sloosh. Sloosh for reasons other people are giving, and I find it weird that mderg showed up, talked about my question (NAI) then peaced out for no good reason.
darth, templar was talking about toning down defending his early reads late in to the game. That post is not going to mean anything d1 if you're just evaluating if he's staying true to it or not. I might have had one of the best reasons possible to peace out... it was 2am here I find this post very scummy. It feels like you're being excessive with how 'obviously' you know Rayn is town and the word choice of 'towniest towner ever towned' seems contrived, like you're trying to appear silly and nonthreatening. Also I personally am not so chill when people accuse me of disappearing when I clearly had to go to work/sleep in a game but I don't detect any irritation in your post (unsure what to make of that but it strikes me as weird as well). On January 09 2016 19:37 mderg wrote:On January 09 2016 19:09 mderg wrote:I don't like darthfoley so far because of this: On January 09 2016 17:13 darthfoley wrote:
For me, I am mainly am just confused as to why he's been reluctant to back off Sloosh after saying he wouldn't target active townspeople on day 1. Maybe he strictly means he won't vote for active townspeople but still target them in discussion, though his grilling of Sloosh followed by a pivot towards a poster with no history seems out of place and too random for my liking. On January 09 2016 13:33 darthfoley wrote:
I do think it's strange that Templar talks in his opening post about "toning it down a bit" and then doesn't really contribute much, followed by a vote on sloosh. It seems like he's already deviating from the plan he set up an hour ago, leading me to have a scum read on him so far Feels like the stuff you come up with, if you're trying to scumread someone just for the sake of scumreading people. This would have been better instead of the first quote On January 09 2016 16:31 darthfoley wrote:
Koshi trying to sway Rayne's town read on sloosh seems out of place to me, given that Sloosh has been a pretty active poster so far; it contradicts one of his first posts in the game.
Some more explanation: He scumreads two people for not doing things how they promised to do things. But if you really think about it, scum usually thinks much more about their appearance in things like this and town just plays how they think on the spot. So it actually makes much more sense for town to contradict what they said a few hours before. This makes me think darthfoley didn't think about it and just went: contradiction --> free scumread This is a narrative/explanatory post of another's play in quite a bit of detail which I find scummy in-of-itself. Maybe I don't quite understand what your goal is here, so if that's the case feel free to correct me. With regards to Eden, I just want to trust him as town his posting just gives me vibes of genuine town honestly trying to project town and solve the game. I trust him. 1) Why would I not be so chill when someone accuses me of disappearing? I don't really understand. 2) My goal was to explain in detail why I didn't like darthfoley's posts
I just personally get really irritated when someone does something like that to me it always strikes me as stupid because I never intentionally disappear as either alignment. Maybe it's just me though -shrug-
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On January 09 2016 13:28 GiygaS wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2016 13:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:On January 09 2016 13:21 GiygaS wrote:Fixed formatting On January 09 2016 13:20 GiygaS wrote:On January 09 2016 10:34 Koshi wrote:On January 09 2016 09:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Actually Koshi why did you pick medic dodge as an example to the named VT question?
It has nothing to do with it. Cuz I looked at the op and saw that a named vt could mean the difference between a cop and a doc. So mafia would know if they would have to medic dodge. But the op is for 9 players. didn't see. This post is weird cause look at the setups, both on page 1 and on page 5 (the actual possibilities): page 1: A: 1 Cop, 6 VTs, 2 Goons
B: 1 JK, 6 VTs, 2 Goons
C: 1 Boxer, 6 VTs, 1 Goon, 1 GF
D: 1 One-shot Cop, 1 JK, 5 VTs, 1 Goon, 1 GF No named vt here so it can't mean the difference between cop and doc. But he says the op is for 9 players and made a mistake. What? page 5: The game setup is one of the following four:A: 8 VT, 1 Cop, 1 Named VT, 1 Framer, 1 Roleblocker, 1 Goon
B: 8 VT, 1 Cop, 1 Doctor, 1 Roleblocker, 1 Godfather, 1 Goon
C: 8 VT, 1 Vigi, 1 Doctor, 1 Roleblocker, 1 Godfather, 1 Goon
D: 8 VT, 1 Vigi, 1 Veteran, 1 Framer, 1 Roleblocker, 1 Goon So I went through the possibilities where named vt is the difference between a cop and a doc. A is the only scenario where it shows up, and cop appears in it and doc doesn't. The only scenario where Doc shows up and cop doesn't is C, but this would mean that either he's mafia and the team setup is RB GF Goon, or he's vig. However, vig cant be his role, because there's no situation where cop and vig are in the same game. I don't think you should think this is alignment indicative. Koshi is most likely telling the truth about not reading the setup on p5 (game start) as if he was lying and covering up later he would have covered up properly (he also misread the OP rofl).  So the only conclusion is Koshi was being dumb, as either alignment. Eh, I'll take it with a grain of salt but I'd be lying if I said it won't affect my view on him looking forward.
I like gigyas as town. Town read started here. This read here is nuanced when scums reads are more cut and dry.
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On January 09 2016 23:35 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2016 23:31 mderg wrote:On January 09 2016 23:12 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On January 09 2016 18:33 mderg wrote:rayn has pretty much been the towniest towner that ever towned so far. On January 09 2016 13:37 GiygaS wrote:
Currently feeling weird about mderg and sloosh. Sloosh for reasons other people are giving, and I find it weird that mderg showed up, talked about my question (NAI) then peaced out for no good reason.
darth, templar was talking about toning down defending his early reads late in to the game. That post is not going to mean anything d1 if you're just evaluating if he's staying true to it or not. I might have had one of the best reasons possible to peace out... it was 2am here I find this post very scummy. It feels like you're being excessive with how 'obviously' you know Rayn is town and the word choice of 'towniest towner ever towned' seems contrived, like you're trying to appear silly and nonthreatening. Also I personally am not so chill when people accuse me of disappearing when I clearly had to go to work/sleep in a game but I don't detect any irritation in your post (unsure what to make of that but it strikes me as weird as well). On January 09 2016 19:37 mderg wrote:On January 09 2016 19:09 mderg wrote:I don't like darthfoley so far because of this: On January 09 2016 17:13 darthfoley wrote:
For me, I am mainly am just confused as to why he's been reluctant to back off Sloosh after saying he wouldn't target active townspeople on day 1. Maybe he strictly means he won't vote for active townspeople but still target them in discussion, though his grilling of Sloosh followed by a pivot towards a poster with no history seems out of place and too random for my liking. On January 09 2016 13:33 darthfoley wrote:
I do think it's strange that Templar talks in his opening post about "toning it down a bit" and then doesn't really contribute much, followed by a vote on sloosh. It seems like he's already deviating from the plan he set up an hour ago, leading me to have a scum read on him so far Feels like the stuff you come up with, if you're trying to scumread someone just for the sake of scumreading people. This would have been better instead of the first quote On January 09 2016 16:31 darthfoley wrote:
Koshi trying to sway Rayne's town read on sloosh seems out of place to me, given that Sloosh has been a pretty active poster so far; it contradicts one of his first posts in the game.
Some more explanation: He scumreads two people for not doing things how they promised to do things. But if you really think about it, scum usually thinks much more about their appearance in things like this and town just plays how they think on the spot. So it actually makes much more sense for town to contradict what they said a few hours before. This makes me think darthfoley didn't think about it and just went: contradiction --> free scumread This is a narrative/explanatory post of another's play in quite a bit of detail which I find scummy in-of-itself. Maybe I don't quite understand what your goal is here, so if that's the case feel free to correct me. With regards to Eden, I just want to trust him as town his posting just gives me vibes of genuine town honestly trying to project town and solve the game. I trust him. 1) Why would I not be so chill when someone accuses me of disappearing? I don't really understand. 2) My goal was to explain in detail why I didn't like darthfoley's posts I just personally get really irritated when someone does something like that to me it always strikes me as stupid because I never intentionally disappear as either alignment. Maybe it's just me though -shrug-
I usually only get irritated when someone acuses me with no reasoning behind it or by misrepresenting what I've said
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On January 09 2016 23:38 nooniansoong wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2016 13:28 GiygaS wrote:On January 09 2016 13:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:On January 09 2016 13:21 GiygaS wrote:Fixed formatting On January 09 2016 13:20 GiygaS wrote:On January 09 2016 10:34 Koshi wrote:On January 09 2016 09:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Actually Koshi why did you pick medic dodge as an example to the named VT question?
It has nothing to do with it. Cuz I looked at the op and saw that a named vt could mean the difference between a cop and a doc. So mafia would know if they would have to medic dodge. But the op is for 9 players. didn't see. This post is weird cause look at the setups, both on page 1 and on page 5 (the actual possibilities): page 1: A: 1 Cop, 6 VTs, 2 Goons
B: 1 JK, 6 VTs, 2 Goons
C: 1 Boxer, 6 VTs, 1 Goon, 1 GF
D: 1 One-shot Cop, 1 JK, 5 VTs, 1 Goon, 1 GF No named vt here so it can't mean the difference between cop and doc. But he says the op is for 9 players and made a mistake. What? page 5: The game setup is one of the following four:A: 8 VT, 1 Cop, 1 Named VT, 1 Framer, 1 Roleblocker, 1 Goon
B: 8 VT, 1 Cop, 1 Doctor, 1 Roleblocker, 1 Godfather, 1 Goon
C: 8 VT, 1 Vigi, 1 Doctor, 1 Roleblocker, 1 Godfather, 1 Goon
D: 8 VT, 1 Vigi, 1 Veteran, 1 Framer, 1 Roleblocker, 1 Goon So I went through the possibilities where named vt is the difference between a cop and a doc. A is the only scenario where it shows up, and cop appears in it and doc doesn't. The only scenario where Doc shows up and cop doesn't is C, but this would mean that either he's mafia and the team setup is RB GF Goon, or he's vig. However, vig cant be his role, because there's no situation where cop and vig are in the same game. I don't think you should think this is alignment indicative. Koshi is most likely telling the truth about not reading the setup on p5 (game start) as if he was lying and covering up later he would have covered up properly (he also misread the OP rofl). So the only conclusion is Koshi was being dumb, as either alignment. Eh, I'll take it with a grain of salt but I'd be lying if I said it won't affect my view on him looking forward. I like gigyas as town. Town read started here. This read here is nuanced when scums reads are more cut and dry.
I liked him too after I read his filter.
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Liking Rayn, not liking Koshi here.
On January 09 2016 08:51 Koshi wrote:
I am also going to make it my policy to not lynch an active player on D1. Going to go for a scummy low amount poster. and if there isn't one, I ll take down the lowest filter.
This feels like a pre-lynch excuse for potentially lynching outside of ongoing wagons. Like, scum thinking "what if I have to bus?". Also, this can be a very easy scum thing: mislynch a scummy inactive player D1. Such as, well I tend to be.
The setup speculation felt very forced, especially as an entry to the thread.
On January 09 2016 09:48 Koshi wrote:
boxerfred, don't tell me you will actually try this game? I was hoping to misslynch you.
Yeah, I know, a joke, I get it. Or, the truth, abandoning the initial game plan. I can see Koshi going "LET'S LYNCH BF D1" in the scum qt because I played the last game with him and well, I was a scummy inactive guy. Although I was VT.
Then:
On January 09 2016 12:39 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2016 12:35 slOosh wrote:On January 09 2016 12:32 Koshi wrote:
You really look like mafia not knowing what read he should represent and then just give 17 possibilities to everything. Do you think I should have a stronger read on the players I mentioned / the ones I didn't? Can you provide one? Only the green would be townie. Adding the red makes it more mafia. Show nested quote +On January 09 2016 12:25 slOosh wrote:
Vayne ... I feel like he is reading me slightly more scum than someone reasonably could? Either that or his style of playing is very different to mine, almost like Oatsmaster or something if he is still around.
Nitpicking on those posts. I don't think that this kind of post is really alignment indicative, given it's D1.
On January 09 2016 12:57 Koshi wrote:
##vote: Nooniansoong
I got reasons. But they are "terrible". I am also extremely tired so I can't promise I will remember them. But I think he might be biggest shot on mafia.
Then, this. After a weak push on Sloosh, he goes vor a kinda random vote on Nooniansong, who's inactive. Pressure vote or mislynch setup?
Not liking Koshi, not at all. Also, Rayn, you look the most towny in here for me, so why do you always agree with Koshi? Is he totes town or what?
##vote Koshi
thats it for the day.
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On January 09 2016 23:13 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Quick summary
[g]koshi, eden, rayn
[r]sloosh, mderg, darth [/green][/red]
how is koshi green in your head
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On January 09 2016 16:31 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2016 08:51 Koshi wrote:
I am also going to make it my policy to not lynch an active player on D1. Going to go for a scummy low amount poster. and if there isn't one, I ll take down the lowest filter. Koshi trying to sway Rayne's town read on sloosh seems out of place to me, given that Sloosh has been a pretty active poster so far; it contradicts one of his first posts in the game. The Noonian vote would make more sense if we'd already gone passed some time for a low poster to be identified, so yea his reads have to be more than simply activity.
I typed that before SloOsh was active and everything around SlOosh/rayn happened. I also don't understand why you are calling it scummy that I give my read on SloOsh even though he is active and I previously said that I would prefer to lynch into the inactive pool D1. (which may or may not been a conversation starter).
If I think SlOosh is mafia and I think rayn wrongly townreads him, I should tell rayn right? It's my duty as a concerned citizen.
Ok. I ll explain myself once more about the medic dodge thing, as good as I can. I'll keep it as short as possible. So this is not exactly how it went but really close.
1) I see somebody ask "should a named VT claim"? Immediately I think "NO" that is never good.
2) I know from experience that named VTs give mafia the right setup, because mafia knows their roles and with the extra information about a named VT they can eliminate the other possibilities.
3) I start writing my response and while doing that I check the OP and see doc/cop in the first setups, and I think I see different mafia roles for option A and B, so I think "well, a named VT will let mafia know if it is either a cop or a doc" So I write down "mafia can medic dodge", because if they know there is 100% certain a doc in the game they will medic dodge. But if it is 50/50 they might not.
Now remember this all happened around 3-4 am for me. I did not read shit too properly. I just wanted to answer the question that was asked and give some extra reasoning, and for that extra reasoning I used the OP which I interpreted completely wrong.
I also don't think that would ever make me mafia but it does look odd. maybe? I don't even think it is that bad.
Kush scumread:
Boils down to the fact he bothered to give 2 "thread progression" posts and then nothing more. It is also odd that he didn't get the (named VT) question right, but on top of that asked a completely redundent question about all VTs claiming? How would that ever help anything? I like to see Kush as a player who is to the point. This was not that.
It is fine if you hate it. But don't townread kush for my -in your opinion- bad scumread on him.
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Ok only on page 11. I see even more people are voting me. I like it.
One of the things that I will not do 100% this game is call people names or capslock. I'll take the lynch with gratitude. If it happens. I would be surprised. Pleasantly even.
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@koshi my question was not redundant. I didn't realize there was named vt. I was wondering if gigyas' question made any sort of sense or he was just asking it for free activity.
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On January 09 2016 13:08 VayneAuthority wrote:
i suck at mafia but i have one of the best memories on this site. I remember playing mafia with sloosh. " he plays like oatsmaster" is so troll if he actually doesnt remember playing with me lol. Not like it was THAT long ago
most games you do play like oatsmaster though. very little content, mostly one liners, hard to read.
On January 09 2016 12:12 VayneAuthority wrote:
just sloosh's weird comments and nitpicking completely useless things and telling others to do the work
He's struggling to create a filter
most likely mafia
This is enough to placeholder my vote on vayne.
"weird comments" - it's scummy to call something weird
"nitpicking completely useless things" - it didn't seem any more useless than what other people were talking about at the time
"telling others to do work" - misconstruing asking questions as telling others to do work.
"struggling to create a filter" - this is the kind of generic wording that comes from scum so often. Also I do not understand how someone can draw that conclusion from sloosh's filter.
Plus vayne doubles as a plynch anyway so there's that.
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On January 09 2016 23:17 nooniansoong wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2016 23:01 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Noon any idea what is going on in Koshi's head voting you? Hmm I'm guessing it was the fact that I was posting in another game and ignoring this one.
This was 100% not it btw. I dind't even know this.
Seeing it twice now.
To everybody:
The first question Kush asked me was supersimple. I know last 2-3 games I complained and said I didn't want to do shit and wanted a very small filter. This game I said the opposite. For shit and giggles. Pointing that out is so easy...
Second question was pointless. "Do you want all VTs to claim?" Filler question. Useless. Appearing to look good above anything else. Nothing smart or game solving behind it.
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On January 10 2016 01:12 Koshi wrote:
Ok only on page 11. I see even more people are voting me. I like it.
One of the things that I will not do 100% this game is call people names or capslock. I'll take the lynch with gratitude. If it happens. I would be surprised. Pleasantly even.
But that's how i know you're town...
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On January 10 2016 01:23 nooniansoong wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2016 01:12 Koshi wrote:
Ok only on page 11. I see even more people are voting me. I like it.
One of the things that I will not do 100% this game is call people names or capslock. I'll take the lynch with gratitude. If it happens. I would be surprised. Pleasantly even. But that's how i know you're town...
Then my alignment shall remain a mystery to you this game.
btw. I liked these last 5ish posts of you. nuance thing on Gayghis Khan was cool, and then the thing on VA was coolio as well. I'll join you.
##unvote
##vote VayneAuthority
This time I got a single secret townread for him and a single secret reason to scumread him. But the plynch level indeed tips it to good lynch target quality.
PS: I saw rayns list and that is good too. I forgot how VA did on that list.
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Didn't know there was a voting thread so I put both my votes there.
Jeez I got a lot of votes already. Love it.
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Doing a brief catch up and answering some questions, let me know if I missed anything.
@GGTeMpLaR
If it was self-apparent as to why you would lock someone town for a joke is wrong, then it highlights the fact that the "but" in your opening post seems out of place.
I'm not saying that is a scum tell, I was saying that it looked funny. Perhaps I asked the wrong question and went in a roundabout way of doing it, but that's what I did.
Right now I read GGTeMpLaR as more likely town for the confident demeanor and analysis of my approach.
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On January 10 2016 01:10 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2016 23:13 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Quick summary
[g]koshi, eden, rayn
[r]sloosh, mderg, darth how is koshi green in your head [/green][/red]
I've already explained my initial townread on Kush and I haven't really seen anything I strongly scumread from him since then.
Regarding your arguments against him here - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/501039-unoriginal-name-mini-mafia?page=14#266
I think your first point about his pre-lynch excuse for lynching outside ongoing wagons made me thinking 'that's a sick play as mafia', but it seems like you've determined he's scum and attached this motive to his play when you could just read it at face value as well, which is what I feel is a more accurate interpretation.
I also think your analysis of his joke about wanting to lynch you is somewhat paranoid.
The nitpicking you mentioned from him was awkward but I didn't find it scummy.
Lastly, I disagree with your analysis of his vote on Noon.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/501039-unoriginal-name-mini-mafia?page=12#221
I still think Koshi is town and that the arguments for him being scum are entirely unconvincing.
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Not sure if I should do this but I can't stay behind.
Unlynchables D1:
GiygaS, rayn, Eden
Townleans:
Nooniansoong , GGTemplar + Show Spoiler +On January 09 2016 16:45 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
I also don't find your attempted interrogation an attempt to discern my alignment either.
You're more-so just trying to discredit my vote and scumread of you without providing any real content other than
'why?'
'why?'
'why?' I liked this post
Null:
Kmatt (tempted to bump him up but it would be bad play?) (because his opening post was so chill, would mafia not post more?)
VayneAuthority / boxerfred (50/50 mafia?)
PoE mafia
slOosh, Tubesock
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On January 10 2016 01:47 slOosh wrote:
Doing a brief catch up and answering some questions, let me know if I missed anything.
@GGTeMpLaR
If it was self-apparent as to why you would lock someone town for a joke is wrong, then it highlights the fact that the "but" in your opening post seems out of place.
I'm not saying that is a scum tell, I was saying that it looked funny. Perhaps I asked the wrong question and went in a roundabout way of doing it, but that's what I did.
Right now I read GGTeMpLaR as more likely town for the confident demeanor and analysis of my approach.
I don't agree with your analysis of the grammar. The 'but' was a transition. Another example where this might be used is if you're saying something like 'blablabla... but on a serious note...X'. It probably would have made more sense if you imagine the bold having been inserted in my statement after the but to better convey the impression that I was making a joke.
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'Yea John you messed up this report you're fired, but make sure you use the right front next time'
'Yea I wanna lock rayn-town, but I do townread him'
insert 'on a more serious note'
after the but and I guess it makes more sense
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