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On January 10 2016 02:00 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
I wasn't super impressed by what boxer had to say.
@sloOsh I would be most interested in your reads on darth, mderg, and boxer at this point.
Specifically mderg's read on darth.
I like darth's posting thus far. He engages in topics that are relevant to the thread at the time and gives fleshed out explanations.
I believe that mderg's read shows that he isn't reading the thread closely.
On January 09 2016 14:07 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2016 13:37 GiygaS wrote:
Currently feeling weird about mderg and sloosh. Sloosh for reasons other people are giving, and I find it weird that mderg showed up, talked about my question (NAI) then peaced out for no good reason.
darth, templar was talking about toning down defending his early reads late in to the game. That post is not going to mean anything d1 if you're just evaluating if he's staying true to it or not. Oh yea I just reread that, that was dumb of me.
If he was, (or if he was at least reading darthfoley closely), he should have seen this post.
On January 09 2016 16:31 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2016 08:51 Koshi wrote:
I am also going to make it my policy to not lynch an active player on D1. Going to go for a scummy low amount poster. and if there isn't one, I ll take down the lowest filter. Koshi trying to sway Rayne's town read on sloosh seems out of place to me, given that Sloosh has been a pretty active poster so far; it contradicts one of his first posts in the game. I would also suspect that he should also have been able to point out darthfoley's mistake in time order, as Koshi posted what he did before my spurt of posting, before I was an "active poster".
Furthermore, I don't get the sense that he is actually trying to convince anyone. He is throwing out a read, explaining it, but that's it. Looks like he is trying to keep up appearances.
On January 10 2016 01:10 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2016 23:13 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Quick summary
koshi, eden, rayn
sloosh, mderg, darth how is koshi green in your head
I liked this post from boxerfred. He thinks Koshi is scum, and first thing he does is question why other people have town reads on him. He actually looks engaged in wanting either others convinced to lynch Koshi or himself convinced that Koshi is town.
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Wait Koshi you townlean mderg?
Please explain.
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On January 09 2016 17:43 Eden1892 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2016 17:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:On January 09 2016 17:27 Eden1892 wrote:On January 09 2016 17:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
boo to yourself eden You do read what I say!  I am curious why you and slOosh seemed to just mutually drop your conversation about your divergent reads on GiygaS. Weren't you a little curious why slOosh could read the same thing you did and conclude the exact opposite thing about GiygaS's alignment? There is no reason for me to answer this before slOosh does. I will after that. I will just say that coming to opposite conclusion (which is btw pretty strong wording here -- since i literally stated my read is "tentative") and concluding that the other person makes sense are not mutually exclusive. They aren't exclusive, I just figured you might still be curious enough to ask. But you are right, I would much rather hear slOosh's answer on this first. Show nested quote +On January 09 2016 17:29 darthfoley wrote:On January 09 2016 17:20 Eden1892 wrote:On January 09 2016 17:13 darthfoley wrote:On January 09 2016 16:51 Eden1892 wrote:On January 09 2016 16:34 darthfoley wrote:
I'm also voting Koshi as it stands. The more I look at his posts, the less helpful they seem to the Town.
##Vote: Koshi What is unhelpful about Koshi's posts in your own words? As they seem less helpful the more you look at them, I expect that you will be able to explain this pretty easily for this potato townie questioning you. Well, originally I thought that the conversation's direction regarding sloosh was pretty productive. It got him talking, and also gave out a decent amount of info to sift through, which you've courteously done. Out of all the active players so far, I think rayne has been the most town; his posts are well thought out and his questions are inquisitive. So, I looked at Koshi closer because he was one of the adamant Sloosh scum posters next to rayne. For me, I am mainly am just confused as to why he's been reluctant to back off Sloosh after saying he wouldn't target active townspeople on day 1. Maybe he strictly means he won't vote for active townspeople but still target them in discussion, though his grilling of Sloosh followed by a pivot towards a poster with no history seems out of place and too random for my liking. He cites "terrible" reasons that he probably won't remember in the morning, which basically provides no information about anything at all. Why couldn't he include at least an outline of something relevant? I'm unclear on Sloosh, because some of his questioning lacks a clear direction and looks kind of filler. I think Giygas is town as of now. Your point on his intuitive search for more info at the start of the game re game setup is an angle I hadn't thought of. A counterquestion. Why should Koshi be reluctant to back off? Just because he said he wouldn't lynch active players? Most pushes this early in day 1 don't lead to lynching the people being pushed. I would even go as far as to say that if your early pushes are engineered to lynch people, you're doing it wrong. The point of putting other players' feet to the fire early is to force them to make substantive statements about the game state. This is helpful regardless of whether the player is town or mafia, active or inactive, yada yada. I agree it's a bit bizarre that he pivoted over to noonian and doesn't post anything. Not leaving any reasons for it is, indeed unhelpful. But you said this: I'm also voting Koshi as it stands. The more I look at his posts, the less helpful they seem to the Town. This sounds to me more like an indictment of his entire posting history, not just his admittedly bordering-on-useless "vote/push" post. You're not telling me that of all the posts Koshi has made this day, the whole body of work is unhelpful due to this one post at the end, are you? If you are, forgive me for finding it uncompelling. I think Koshi's been of at least moderate use in generating discussion. I think his pressure on slOosh was constructive, and I would certainly not call the body of work unhelpful. You're going to have to do better than just handwave the whole thing as unhelpful. Maybe cite something specific for me outside of the noonian vote? (Or if you have nothing else, then please elaborate as to why that invalidated the rest of his posting history this game.) Meh, i'm starting to see why there are newbie mafia games run lol. It was a bit too shallow to vote on Koshi given the circumstances. The more I think about it, the more I do see the utility of his grilling of Sloosh near the start. It's true that he doesn't have to back off a scum read, especially because as you said, lots of people get grilled day 1 and it doesn't necessarily mean it's aimed at a lynch. I was under the impression that Koshi actually scum reads Sloosh, although it's useful info either way. The more reflective I am of the Koshi v Sloosh dynamic, the more I realize that I can't let my frustration of being kind of clueless make me jump to hasty conclusions. At this point, I can't constructively add much until Koshi explains his Noon read imo. I don't understand what was shallow about voting Koshi there. If your takeaway from my questions was "you are wrong for voting Koshi," that takeaway isn't the one I intended to convey. The takeaway was "I don't understand why you are voting Koshi" -- and you're essentially telling me you don't have much to add to the discussion until Koshi explains his read. But... you still had a reason for saying that Koshi's posts were unhelpful. After all, unless you intend to tell me your statement that "The more I look at his posts, the less helpful they seem to the Town." was made up, something you read made you think this. I just want to know what that something is.
The reasons I said that were because of the Noon vote, and because I thought he was really trying hard to sway rayne's townread on Sloosh in a way that seemed a bit suspicious. It wasn't that much to go on. Just woke up so i'll get up to date with the thread, but I wanted to make sure I responded to this
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On January 10 2016 03:06 slOosh wrote:
Wait Koshi you townlean mderg?
Please explain.
Entrance to the thread seemed more likely to come from town than from mafia. Boils down to the fact I think he might check things better if he was mafia, and not have the chain of posts he had about the VT claim thing.
Could you answer my question? And in addition. Give your read on me? You haven't talked about me at all.
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On January 09 2016 23:23 nooniansoong wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2016 23:19 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On January 09 2016 23:17 nooniansoong wrote:On January 09 2016 23:01 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Noon any idea what is going on in Koshi's head voting you? Hmm I'm guessing it was the fact that I was posting in another game and ignoring this one. What do you think of Koshi and Giyga? Koshi null leaning town. Why would he open the opposite of his last two town games if he were scum? Usually people try to emulate their town games as scum. Gigyas no idea I'd have to filter,
Why did you ask Koshi about the bolded part if you think it makes him town anyways?
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On January 09 2016 19:09 mderg wrote:I don't like darthfoley so far because of this: Show nested quote +On January 09 2016 17:13 darthfoley wrote:
For me, I am mainly am just confused as to why he's been reluctant to back off Sloosh after saying he wouldn't target active townspeople on day 1. Maybe he strictly means he won't vote for active townspeople but still target them in discussion, though his grilling of Sloosh followed by a pivot towards a poster with no history seems out of place and too random for my liking. Show nested quote +On January 09 2016 13:33 darthfoley wrote:
I do think it's strange that Templar talks in his opening post about "toning it down a bit" and then doesn't really contribute much, followed by a vote on sloosh. It seems like he's already deviating from the plan he set up an hour ago, leading me to have a scum read on him so far Feels like the stuff you come up with, if you're trying to scumread someone just for the sake of scumreading people.
On January 09 2016 19:37 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2016 19:09 mderg wrote:I don't like darthfoley so far because of this: On January 09 2016 17:13 darthfoley wrote:
For me, I am mainly am just confused as to why he's been reluctant to back off Sloosh after saying he wouldn't target active townspeople on day 1. Maybe he strictly means he won't vote for active townspeople but still target them in discussion, though his grilling of Sloosh followed by a pivot towards a poster with no history seems out of place and too random for my liking. On January 09 2016 13:33 darthfoley wrote:
I do think it's strange that Templar talks in his opening post about "toning it down a bit" and then doesn't really contribute much, followed by a vote on sloosh. It seems like he's already deviating from the plan he set up an hour ago, leading me to have a scum read on him so far Feels like the stuff you come up with, if you're trying to scumread someone just for the sake of scumreading people. This would have been better instead of the first quote Show nested quote +On January 09 2016 16:31 darthfoley wrote:
Koshi trying to sway Rayne's town read on sloosh seems out of place to me, given that Sloosh has been a pretty active poster so far; it contradicts one of his first posts in the game.
Some more explanation: He scumreads two people for not doing things how they promised to do things. But if you really think about it, scum usually thinks much more about their appearance in things like this and town just plays how they think on the spot. So it actually makes much more sense for town to contradict what they said a few hours before. This makes me think darthfoley didn't think about it and just went: contradiction --> free scumread
These 2 posts on his scumread on darthfoley look like they would/could come from town.
And I think this is very much an exaggeration:
On January 10 2016 03:01 slOosh wrote:
Furthermore, I don't get the sense that he is actually trying to convince anyone. He is throwing out a read, explaining it, but that's it. Looks like he is trying to keep up appearances.
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On January 09 2016 08:51 Koshi wrote:
I am also going to make it my policy to not lynch an active player on D1. Going to go for a scummy low amount poster. and if there isn't one, I ll take down the lowest filter.
This initial post from me was made to bait out reactions but also contained some truth. I will less likely lynch SloOsh today than for example TubeSock/VA. My theory behind this is that in order to solve the game if it doesn't matter which suspicious person I lynch first, I will just pick the one who will make it harder for me to read him later. Which is very much activity based.
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I have two problems right now:
I don't know if i believe slOosh in his answer on GiygaS.
I don't know how i am going to convince people that darthfoley and VayneAuthority are town.
meh..
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On January 10 2016 03:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I have two problems right now:
I don't know if i believe slOosh in his answer on GiygaS.
I don't know how i am going to convince people that darthfoley and VayneAuthority are town.
meh..
darthfoley is generally townread.
VA isn't but isn't in danger yet.
SlOosh is a though one.
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I don't understand how sloosh is still voting for me, but hasn't talked about a single new post I made. And is just ignoring me.
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dont see the points on VA although I dont see too much town in VA either so I have him as a null. I remembr him stepping it up later as town though
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On January 10 2016 01:53 Koshi wrote:Not sure if I should do this but I can't stay behind. Unlynchables D1: GiygaS, rayn, Eden Townleans: Nooniansoong , GGTemplar + Show Spoiler +On January 09 2016 16:45 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
I also don't find your attempted interrogation an attempt to discern my alignment either.
You're more-so just trying to discredit my vote and scumread of you without providing any real content other than
'why?'
'why?'
'why?' I liked this post , mderg Null: Kmatt (tempted to bump him up but it would be bad play?) (because his opening post was so chill, would mafia not post more?) VayneAuthority / boxerfred (50/50 mafia?) PoE mafia slOosh, Tubesock
If you thnk sloosh is mafia it is unlikely I am mafia, doesnt make much sense to me your reads. I don't understand why Eden would be unlynchable either, what original content has he produced
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Maybe its meta, I honestly dont know many of these players. Guess I should look up Eden because his filter looks like a good scumplayer to me I don't know if that is true or not
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On January 10 2016 03:55 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2016 01:53 Koshi wrote:Not sure if I should do this but I can't stay behind. Unlynchables D1: GiygaS, rayn, Eden Townleans: Nooniansoong , GGTemplar + Show Spoiler +On January 09 2016 16:45 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
I also don't find your attempted interrogation an attempt to discern my alignment either.
You're more-so just trying to discredit my vote and scumread of you without providing any real content other than
'why?'
'why?'
'why?' I liked this post , mderg Null: Kmatt (tempted to bump him up but it would be bad play?) (because his opening post was so chill, would mafia not post more?) VayneAuthority / boxerfred (50/50 mafia?) PoE mafia slOosh, Tubesock If you thnk sloosh is mafia it is unlikely I am mafia, doesnt make much sense to me your reads. I don't understand why Eden would be unlynchable either, what original content has he produced
You are saying I should use unflipped association reads more?
Eden is unlynchable for me D1. That wasn't clear. But he is already 100% unlynchable. I think I also lynched Eden twice on D1 as mafia already. Not sure. At least once.
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On January 09 2016 22:45 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2016 17:13 darthfoley wrote:On January 09 2016 16:51 Eden1892 wrote:On January 09 2016 16:34 darthfoley wrote:
I'm also voting Koshi as it stands. The more I look at his posts, the less helpful they seem to the Town.
##Vote: Koshi What is unhelpful about Koshi's posts in your own words? As they seem less helpful the more you look at them, I expect that you will be able to explain this pretty easily for this potato townie questioning you. Well, originally I thought that the conversation's direction regarding sloosh was pretty productive. It got him talking, and also gave out a decent amount of info to sift through, which you've courteously done. Out of all the active players so far, I think rayne has been the most town; his posts are well thought out and his questions are inquisitive. So, I looked at Koshi closer because he was one of the adamant Sloosh scum posters next to rayne. For me, I am mainly am just confused as to why he's been reluctant to back off Sloosh after saying he wouldn't target active townspeople on day 1. Maybe he strictly means he won't vote for active townspeople but still target them in discussion, though his grilling of Sloosh followed by a pivot towards a poster with no history seems out of place and too random for my liking. He cites "terrible" reasons that he probably won't remember in the morning, which basically provides no information about anything at all. Why couldn't he include at least an outline of something relevant? I'm unclear on Sloosh, because some of his questioning lacks a clear direction and looks kind of filler. I think Giygas is town as of now. Your point on his intuitive search for more info at the start of the game re game setup is an angle I hadn't thought of. I feel like you contradict yourself in the two bold statements. You wonder why he won't back off Sloosh when he says he won't target active towns people. Then he backs off Sloosh to target inactive towns people.
Yea I see what you're saying. It was contradictory, because he does end up following the outline that he posted early on. I'm rescinding my Koshi vote for now.
I have spun myself in circles trying to read some of the active posters, so here's what I think on some of the less active people:
VA- I filtered his posts and I found very little substance.
+ Show Spoiler +logic dictates that we are playing on setup 3, as that is the most common number chosen on a 4 way choice.
I am getting scum vibes already from Sloosh just gonna throw that out there
just sloosh's weird comments and nitpicking completely useless things and telling others to do the work
He's struggling to create a filter
most likely mafia
i suck at mafia but i have one of the best memories on this site. I remember playing mafia with sloosh. " he plays like oatsmaster" is so troll if he actually doesnt remember playing with me lol. Not like it was THAT long ago
First, he blindly comments on how logic tells us we're playing on setup 3, with no actual logic. Maybe this is a joke I missed or something? Then, he gets the ball rolling on Sloosh, tells everyone he's bad at Mafia, ties him to another player some people (e.g. me) don't know, and peaces out. He's generated pages of discussion on someone without having to contribute to it at all. This is pretty scummy to me
mderg- You conveniently missed my follow up post re GGTemplar and how I misread what he wrote. I thought he was talking about toning down day 1 accusations, not early read defending in the late game. I don't have a read on mderg but I'm surprised you missed a post that doesn't follow the narrative of me being scum
boxerfred- I like the way he has posted. He's analyzing/questioning peoples' judgments on the Koshi town read. He hasn't just given town reads or scum reads, he included both which is most helpful for the town.
##Unvote: Koshi
##Vote: VayneAuthority
That's all I have for now
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On January 10 2016 03:29 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2016 03:06 slOosh wrote:
Wait Koshi you townlean mderg?
Please explain. Entrance to the thread seemed more likely to come from town than from mafia. Boils down to the fact I think he might check things better if he was mafia, and not have the chain of posts he had about the VT claim thing. Could you answer my question? And in addition. Give your read on me? You haven't talked about me at all.
Oh I thought it was clear from my followup posts that it is currently mderg.
I like your "today" posting much more than your "yesterday" posting. I tend to move votes only when switching onto someone else, but if it will ease your mind
##Unvote Koshi
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On January 10 2016 03:57 VayneAuthority wrote:
Maybe its meta, I honestly dont know many of these players. Guess I should look up Eden because his filter looks like a good scumplayer to me I don't know if that is true or not
I haven't played many games in 2015 but he isn't spectacular as mafia. But I know if he keeps up what he has been doing he will come to the right answers soon enough. I only was a bit underwhelmed with his answer to rayns list post.
Do you think Kush is possible mafia?
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On January 10 2016 04:01 slOosh wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2016 03:29 Koshi wrote:On January 10 2016 03:06 slOosh wrote:
Wait Koshi you townlean mderg?
Please explain. Entrance to the thread seemed more likely to come from town than from mafia. Boils down to the fact I think he might check things better if he was mafia, and not have the chain of posts he had about the VT claim thing. Could you answer my question? And in addition. Give your read on me? You haven't talked about me at all. Oh I thought it was clear from my followup posts that it is currently mderg. I like your "today" posting much more than your "yesterday" posting. I tend to move votes only when switching onto someone else, but if it will ease your mind ##Unvote Koshi
So who is your nr 2 mafia read?
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rayn could you explain how VayneAuthority is town? How much does my alignment say in the matter?
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On January 10 2016 04:04 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2016 04:01 slOosh wrote:On January 10 2016 03:29 Koshi wrote:On January 10 2016 03:06 slOosh wrote:
Wait Koshi you townlean mderg?
Please explain. Entrance to the thread seemed more likely to come from town than from mafia. Boils down to the fact I think he might check things better if he was mafia, and not have the chain of posts he had about the VT claim thing. Could you answer my question? And in addition. Give your read on me? You haven't talked about me at all. Oh I thought it was clear from my followup posts that it is currently mderg. I like your "today" posting much more than your "yesterday" posting. I tend to move votes only when switching onto someone else, but if it will ease your mind ##Unvote Koshi So who is your nr 2 mafia read?
mderg, vayne, tubesock in that order
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On January 10 2016 03:58 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2016 03:55 VayneAuthority wrote:On January 10 2016 01:53 Koshi wrote:Not sure if I should do this but I can't stay behind. Unlynchables D1: GiygaS, rayn, Eden Townleans: Nooniansoong , GGTemplar + Show Spoiler +On January 09 2016 16:45 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
I also don't find your attempted interrogation an attempt to discern my alignment either.
You're more-so just trying to discredit my vote and scumread of you without providing any real content other than
'why?'
'why?'
'why?' I liked this post , mderg Null: Kmatt (tempted to bump him up but it would be bad play?) (because his opening post was so chill, would mafia not post more?) VayneAuthority / boxerfred (50/50 mafia?) PoE mafia slOosh, Tubesock If you thnk sloosh is mafia it is unlikely I am mafia, doesnt make much sense to me your reads. I don't understand why Eden would be unlynchable either, what original content has he produced You are saying I should use unflipped association reads more? Eden is unlynchable for me D1. That wasn't clear. But he is already 100% unlynchable. I think I also lynched Eden twice on D1 as mafia already. Not sure. At least once.
Well you should at least make a conscious effort to have a scumteam that makes sense and solve the game or you will make bad lynches. IDK why I would bring this much attention to sloosh when he had no suspicion before if we are scum together, I cant predict the future what will happen. Timing is always important in mafia, if you ignore it it's an easy way to find scum...
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