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On January 10 2016 04:02 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2016 03:57 VayneAuthority wrote:
Maybe its meta, I honestly dont know many of these players. Guess I should look up Eden because his filter looks like a good scumplayer to me I don't know if that is true or not I haven't played many games in 2015 but he isn't spectacular as mafia. But I know if he keeps up what he has been doing he will come to the right answers soon enough. I only was a bit underwhelmed with his answer to rayns list post. Do you think Kush is possible mafia?
not much to say about kush except that he agrees with me being similar to oatsmaster is lazy/bad
He could still be either alignment
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On January 10 2016 04:10 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2016 03:58 Koshi wrote:On January 10 2016 03:55 VayneAuthority wrote:On January 10 2016 01:53 Koshi wrote:Not sure if I should do this but I can't stay behind. Unlynchables D1: GiygaS, rayn, Eden Townleans: Nooniansoong , GGTemplar + Show Spoiler +On January 09 2016 16:45 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
I also don't find your attempted interrogation an attempt to discern my alignment either.
You're more-so just trying to discredit my vote and scumread of you without providing any real content other than
'why?'
'why?'
'why?' I liked this post , mderg Null: Kmatt (tempted to bump him up but it would be bad play?) (because his opening post was so chill, would mafia not post more?) VayneAuthority / boxerfred (50/50 mafia?) PoE mafia slOosh, Tubesock If you thnk sloosh is mafia it is unlikely I am mafia, doesnt make much sense to me your reads. I don't understand why Eden would be unlynchable either, what original content has he produced You are saying I should use unflipped association reads more? Eden is unlynchable for me D1. That wasn't clear. But he is already 100% unlynchable. I think I also lynched Eden twice on D1 as mafia already. Not sure. At least once. Well you should at least make a conscious effort to have a scumteam that makes sense and solve the game or you will make bad lynches. IDK why I would bring this much attention to sloosh when he had no suspicion before if we are scum together, I cant predict the future what will happen. Timing is always important in mafia, if you ignore it it's an easy way to find scum...
Problem that I had with that list is that when I came to the mafia part I already used up all the names. I could see Sloosh not being mafia btw. And then I would prefer to go to my null pool.
I am not townreading you just because I scumread Sloosh.
If I had to make a scumteam right now I agree it would not much sense to add you and Sloosh in 1 team. But that wasn't what I was trying.
I feel like if Sloosh is town I need to find a scum in my town list. mderg or kush?
VayneAuthority,
do you have a read on Kush? Somehow I think you are/were good at reading him.
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kk. Didn't read that last post. ignore question.
Your answer doesn't help me sadly.
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He is some one that needs a larger filter to read, lynching him day 1 would be useless/bad. especially since he can find scum if you give him time
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Vayne, apart from me, could I have your strongest scum read?
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On January 10 2016 02:38 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2016 01:58 Koshi wrote:So I decided to read boxerfred because I didn't yet and only remembered his angry cases on me. On January 09 2016 09:47 boxerfred wrote:
No Rayn I don't have red in me. You should know, eh? This was an awkward joke btw On January 09 2016 09:56 boxerfred wrote:
I can promise I won't get killed because I haven't read the rules. I'll be low activity as always : meh And the rest is pretty much what I remembered. So whats the point of this post besides bejng a filler?
I rarely ever not post a post I started. A lot of my posts also don't have much pointyness in them. You should know this.
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On January 10 2016 04:18 slOosh wrote:
Vayne, apart from me, could I have your strongest scum read?
If i really had to pick, mderg, but it is a very weak/generic read at this point
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@Eden - I did think the thread was heading in the towning people for too dumb to be mafia reasons. Also I posted to post. At the time there really wasn't anything I felt compelled to respond to.
Easy town reads
Reyn, Eden, SloOsh, Nooniansoong
GGtemplar I didn't like his first like 5 posts but he looks a lot better this morning.
Koshi while gives me some weird scuzzies I am not willing to lynch him.
Vayne I am not willing to lynch either. I like his tone.
the rest haven't said anything I found interesting or memorable.
I have to work today and have Christmas dinner tonight but after that I'll be in thread.
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On January 10 2016 03:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2016 23:23 nooniansoong wrote:On January 09 2016 23:19 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On January 09 2016 23:17 nooniansoong wrote:On January 09 2016 23:01 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Noon any idea what is going on in Koshi's head voting you? Hmm I'm guessing it was the fact that I was posting in another game and ignoring this one. What do you think of Koshi and Giyga? Koshi null leaning town. Why would he open the opposite of his last two town games if he were scum? Usually people try to emulate their town games as scum. Gigyas no idea I'd have to filter, Why did you ask Koshi about the bolded part if you think it makes him town anyways?
I like this thoughtful question from rayn.
Actually I didn't know what to think of what koshi said in the moment I asked him about it. I thought to myself.. why would koshi open in the opposite way of his last two games? And I thought him answering my question might help me get a better idea of his motivation behind it. Koshi didn't give me a helpful answer, which in itself made me lean townie on him slightly because he didn't feel the need to satisfy me.
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At this rate I won't even have people to lynch in 24h.
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On January 10 2016 04:18 VayneAuthority wrote:
He is some one that needs a larger filter to read, lynching him day 1 would be useless/bad. especially since he can find scum if you give him time
vayne what do you think about how i want to lynch you?
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On January 10 2016 04:47 nooniansoong wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2016 04:18 VayneAuthority wrote:
He is some one that needs a larger filter to read, lynching him day 1 would be useless/bad. especially since he can find scum if you give him time vayne what do you think about how i want to lynch you?
doesnt matter 8) I'll just have less to browse at work on monday
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/offtopic
Can someone explain how a Named VT works? It's a VT with no additional powers, so how is it any different from a VT?
Basically, what does the "named" do?
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On January 10 2016 03:13 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2016 17:43 Eden1892 wrote:On January 09 2016 17:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:On January 09 2016 17:27 Eden1892 wrote:On January 09 2016 17:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
boo to yourself eden You do read what I say!  I am curious why you and slOosh seemed to just mutually drop your conversation about your divergent reads on GiygaS. Weren't you a little curious why slOosh could read the same thing you did and conclude the exact opposite thing about GiygaS's alignment? There is no reason for me to answer this before slOosh does. I will after that. I will just say that coming to opposite conclusion (which is btw pretty strong wording here -- since i literally stated my read is "tentative") and concluding that the other person makes sense are not mutually exclusive. They aren't exclusive, I just figured you might still be curious enough to ask. But you are right, I would much rather hear slOosh's answer on this first. On January 09 2016 17:29 darthfoley wrote:On January 09 2016 17:20 Eden1892 wrote:On January 09 2016 17:13 darthfoley wrote:On January 09 2016 16:51 Eden1892 wrote:On January 09 2016 16:34 darthfoley wrote:
I'm also voting Koshi as it stands. The more I look at his posts, the less helpful they seem to the Town.
##Vote: Koshi What is unhelpful about Koshi's posts in your own words? As they seem less helpful the more you look at them, I expect that you will be able to explain this pretty easily for this potato townie questioning you. Well, originally I thought that the conversation's direction regarding sloosh was pretty productive. It got him talking, and also gave out a decent amount of info to sift through, which you've courteously done. Out of all the active players so far, I think rayne has been the most town; his posts are well thought out and his questions are inquisitive. So, I looked at Koshi closer because he was one of the adamant Sloosh scum posters next to rayne. For me, I am mainly am just confused as to why he's been reluctant to back off Sloosh after saying he wouldn't target active townspeople on day 1. Maybe he strictly means he won't vote for active townspeople but still target them in discussion, though his grilling of Sloosh followed by a pivot towards a poster with no history seems out of place and too random for my liking. He cites "terrible" reasons that he probably won't remember in the morning, which basically provides no information about anything at all. Why couldn't he include at least an outline of something relevant? I'm unclear on Sloosh, because some of his questioning lacks a clear direction and looks kind of filler. I think Giygas is town as of now. Your point on his intuitive search for more info at the start of the game re game setup is an angle I hadn't thought of. A counterquestion. Why should Koshi be reluctant to back off? Just because he said he wouldn't lynch active players? Most pushes this early in day 1 don't lead to lynching the people being pushed. I would even go as far as to say that if your early pushes are engineered to lynch people, you're doing it wrong. The point of putting other players' feet to the fire early is to force them to make substantive statements about the game state. This is helpful regardless of whether the player is town or mafia, active or inactive, yada yada. I agree it's a bit bizarre that he pivoted over to noonian and doesn't post anything. Not leaving any reasons for it is, indeed unhelpful. But you said this: I'm also voting Koshi as it stands. The more I look at his posts, the less helpful they seem to the Town. This sounds to me more like an indictment of his entire posting history, not just his admittedly bordering-on-useless "vote/push" post. You're not telling me that of all the posts Koshi has made this day, the whole body of work is unhelpful due to this one post at the end, are you? If you are, forgive me for finding it uncompelling. I think Koshi's been of at least moderate use in generating discussion. I think his pressure on slOosh was constructive, and I would certainly not call the body of work unhelpful. You're going to have to do better than just handwave the whole thing as unhelpful. Maybe cite something specific for me outside of the noonian vote? (Or if you have nothing else, then please elaborate as to why that invalidated the rest of his posting history this game.) Meh, i'm starting to see why there are newbie mafia games run lol. It was a bit too shallow to vote on Koshi given the circumstances. The more I think about it, the more I do see the utility of his grilling of Sloosh near the start. It's true that he doesn't have to back off a scum read, especially because as you said, lots of people get grilled day 1 and it doesn't necessarily mean it's aimed at a lynch. I was under the impression that Koshi actually scum reads Sloosh, although it's useful info either way. The more reflective I am of the Koshi v Sloosh dynamic, the more I realize that I can't let my frustration of being kind of clueless make me jump to hasty conclusions. At this point, I can't constructively add much until Koshi explains his Noon read imo. I don't understand what was shallow about voting Koshi there. If your takeaway from my questions was "you are wrong for voting Koshi," that takeaway isn't the one I intended to convey. The takeaway was "I don't understand why you are voting Koshi" -- and you're essentially telling me you don't have much to add to the discussion until Koshi explains his read. But... you still had a reason for saying that Koshi's posts were unhelpful. After all, unless you intend to tell me your statement that "The more I look at his posts, the less helpful they seem to the Town." was made up, something you read made you think this. I just want to know what that something is. The reasons I said that were because of the Noon vote, and because I thought he was really trying hard to sway rayne's townread on Sloosh in a way that seemed a bit suspicious. It wasn't that much to go on. Just woke up so i'll get up to date with the thread, but I wanted to make sure I responded to this
Ok. So, you felt the Noonian vote and the attempt to sway ray's vote was suspicious. In what way(s) were they so?
I don't care that you have decided Koshi isn't suspicious anymore, I just want to know why you felt he was so I may evaluate your alignment.
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Additionally:
(1) Why is it suspicious that Vayne generated a lot of discussion about somebody without, in your estimation, contributing a lot himself?
(2) Why does giving town and scum reads make boxerfred town but not several other people in the thread (including Vayne) town as well?
And to give an answer for once -- a named VT is unique so they can claim and be confirmed town without a counterclaim
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On January 10 2016 04:37 Tubesock wrote:
@Eden - I did think the thread was heading in the towning people for too dumb to be mafia reasons. Also I posted to post. At the time there really wasn't anything I felt compelled to respond to.
Easy town reads
Reyn, Eden, SloOsh, Nooniansoong
GGtemplar I didn't like his first like 5 posts but he looks a lot better this morning.
Koshi while gives me some weird scuzzies I am not willing to lynch him.
Vayne I am not willing to lynch either. I like his tone.
the rest haven't said anything I found interesting or memorable.
I have to work today and have Christmas dinner tonight but after that I'll be in thread.
Please explain the bolded -- I'm afraid I don't follow. GGTemplar's first five posts began around the time you made your comment about dumb tells, if you thought they were suspicious then how did you not find them worth responding to?
And I hope you aren't telling me that you've managed to narrow your lynch pool to five people day 1, but also have nothing to say about those five people. Why are mderg, Kmatt, GiygaS, darthfoley, and boxerfred outside of this pool of townreads?
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On January 10 2016 05:03 Eden1892 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2016 03:13 darthfoley wrote:On January 09 2016 17:43 Eden1892 wrote:On January 09 2016 17:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:On January 09 2016 17:27 Eden1892 wrote:On January 09 2016 17:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
boo to yourself eden You do read what I say! I am curious why you and slOosh seemed to just mutually drop your conversation about your divergent reads on GiygaS. Weren't you a little curious why slOosh could read the same thing you did and conclude the exact opposite thing about GiygaS's alignment? There is no reason for me to answer this before slOosh does. I will after that. I will just say that coming to opposite conclusion (which is btw pretty strong wording here -- since i literally stated my read is "tentative") and concluding that the other person makes sense are not mutually exclusive. They aren't exclusive, I just figured you might still be curious enough to ask. But you are right, I would much rather hear slOosh's answer on this first. On January 09 2016 17:29 darthfoley wrote:On January 09 2016 17:20 Eden1892 wrote:On January 09 2016 17:13 darthfoley wrote:On January 09 2016 16:51 Eden1892 wrote:On January 09 2016 16:34 darthfoley wrote:
I'm also voting Koshi as it stands. The more I look at his posts, the less helpful they seem to the Town.
##Vote: Koshi What is unhelpful about Koshi's posts in your own words? As they seem less helpful the more you look at them, I expect that you will be able to explain this pretty easily for this potato townie questioning you. Well, originally I thought that the conversation's direction regarding sloosh was pretty productive. It got him talking, and also gave out a decent amount of info to sift through, which you've courteously done. Out of all the active players so far, I think rayne has been the most town; his posts are well thought out and his questions are inquisitive. So, I looked at Koshi closer because he was one of the adamant Sloosh scum posters next to rayne. For me, I am mainly am just confused as to why he's been reluctant to back off Sloosh after saying he wouldn't target active townspeople on day 1. Maybe he strictly means he won't vote for active townspeople but still target them in discussion, though his grilling of Sloosh followed by a pivot towards a poster with no history seems out of place and too random for my liking. He cites "terrible" reasons that he probably won't remember in the morning, which basically provides no information about anything at all. Why couldn't he include at least an outline of something relevant? I'm unclear on Sloosh, because some of his questioning lacks a clear direction and looks kind of filler. I think Giygas is town as of now. Your point on his intuitive search for more info at the start of the game re game setup is an angle I hadn't thought of. A counterquestion. Why should Koshi be reluctant to back off? Just because he said he wouldn't lynch active players? Most pushes this early in day 1 don't lead to lynching the people being pushed. I would even go as far as to say that if your early pushes are engineered to lynch people, you're doing it wrong. The point of putting other players' feet to the fire early is to force them to make substantive statements about the game state. This is helpful regardless of whether the player is town or mafia, active or inactive, yada yada. I agree it's a bit bizarre that he pivoted over to noonian and doesn't post anything. Not leaving any reasons for it is, indeed unhelpful. But you said this: I'm also voting Koshi as it stands. The more I look at his posts, the less helpful they seem to the Town. This sounds to me more like an indictment of his entire posting history, not just his admittedly bordering-on-useless "vote/push" post. You're not telling me that of all the posts Koshi has made this day, the whole body of work is unhelpful due to this one post at the end, are you? If you are, forgive me for finding it uncompelling. I think Koshi's been of at least moderate use in generating discussion. I think his pressure on slOosh was constructive, and I would certainly not call the body of work unhelpful. You're going to have to do better than just handwave the whole thing as unhelpful. Maybe cite something specific for me outside of the noonian vote? (Or if you have nothing else, then please elaborate as to why that invalidated the rest of his posting history this game.) Meh, i'm starting to see why there are newbie mafia games run lol. It was a bit too shallow to vote on Koshi given the circumstances. The more I think about it, the more I do see the utility of his grilling of Sloosh near the start. It's true that he doesn't have to back off a scum read, especially because as you said, lots of people get grilled day 1 and it doesn't necessarily mean it's aimed at a lynch. I was under the impression that Koshi actually scum reads Sloosh, although it's useful info either way. The more reflective I am of the Koshi v Sloosh dynamic, the more I realize that I can't let my frustration of being kind of clueless make me jump to hasty conclusions. At this point, I can't constructively add much until Koshi explains his Noon read imo. I don't understand what was shallow about voting Koshi there. If your takeaway from my questions was "you are wrong for voting Koshi," that takeaway isn't the one I intended to convey. The takeaway was "I don't understand why you are voting Koshi" -- and you're essentially telling me you don't have much to add to the discussion until Koshi explains his read. But... you still had a reason for saying that Koshi's posts were unhelpful. After all, unless you intend to tell me your statement that "The more I look at his posts, the less helpful they seem to the Town." was made up, something you read made you think this. I just want to know what that something is. The reasons I said that were because of the Noon vote, and because I thought he was really trying hard to sway rayne's townread on Sloosh in a way that seemed a bit suspicious. It wasn't that much to go on. Just woke up so i'll get up to date with the thread, but I wanted to make sure I responded to this Ok. So, you felt the Noonian vote and the attempt to sway ray's vote was suspicious. In what way(s) were they so? I don't care that you have decided Koshi isn't suspicious anymore, I just want to know why you felt he was so I may evaluate your alignment.
Well if I were scum, I think it would make sense to get in the ear of someone who has basically been agreed to be town read, especially when he (rayne) has been leading a lot of the discussion. If you are being helpful to one of the "towniest town" people, you could be either helpful town or smart scum. I initially read it as a clever scum play.
I've already explained why I found the Noonian vote suspicious: there was nothing concrete about it and seemed random because Noonian hadn't posted anything at that point.
Also, thanks for the Named VT explanation
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Sure, it's smart to leverage your position as a scum player being townread to sway the apparent town leaders a particular way. But it's also smart to leverage that same position as a town player being town read... I still do not see what you saw that pointed you toward scum instead of town.
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1) I think it's scummy to generate discussion and then pop out because it seems helpful, all while staying under the radar without much concrete reasoning.
2) At the time I made my post, I'm pretty sure VA had only thrown out one name in the whole thread: Sloosh as scum read. Boxerfred has been more holistic in his approach to Q&A to Koshi and others imo. I haven't looked through Tubesock's or any of the less active posters yet.
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I think you're alright darth. Thanks for the Q&A.
I townread darth and do not want to lynch him. I think his answers to my questions were prompt, and while I don't particularly like a couple of his reads, I was more concerned with seeing how well he would defend them under scrutiny. He has done so to my satisfaction -- it's clear that these reads are coming from someone who is actively thinking about the game instead of from someone trying to appear as though he was.
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