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On January 12 2016 05:10 nooniansoong wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2016 04:47 mderg wrote:On January 12 2016 03:30 nooniansoong wrote:Anyway during lunch i went through some filters. Mderg looking scummy. - pressure on darthfoley that goes no where - sheeped TS onto gigyas - jumped ship on gigyas when wagon looked like it was going to falter. He gave no reason except that he thought about it more. - left a scumlynch a the last second for me. Again without any reasoning, except my lack of content. On January 11 2016 07:53 mderg wrote:
Well, kush is producing less content than the last game I've played with him. And even in that game he was not producing enough content for me. I can definitely see where you're coming from. But boxerfred had even less content then me so I don't buy this reason to switch off boxerfred. I wasn't voting you for lack of content. That played a big part in it but it was not what put you above boxerfred for the lynch. You two were practically the same to me, you probably even looked a bit better. But everybody seemed fine with the boxerfred lynch, so I thought it somehow had to be wrong by everyone you mean 3/12 people?
Aside from rayn there wasn't anyone who actively tried to change things.
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On January 11 2016 10:58 GiygaS wrote:
My "blue hunting" was me genuinely not knowing how a named VT works in the average game. I read it on the mafiascum wiki that their claim is very important, so I thought it might be worth asking to generate some non-joke discussion.
To explain my townread on boxerfred, while it was light, and dropped continuously as he didn't show up, was that he seemed to be reading posts very carefully to make analysis. He was picking out tiny things like the medic dodge specificity that I missed and thought was interesting, esp. when I was suspicious of Koshi at the time.
Updated reads for me is that ggtemp, koshi and sloosh are confirmed for the time being. Rayn is still very town in my eyes, and mderg has moved up since I don't think he would have swapped to a 1 vote wagon if he was scum trying to save his teammate (he would have swapped to one of the two vote wagons).
It's worth noting that we know boxer wasn't around as there's no way he wouldn't have either swapped votes or talked in the thread otherwise. So there was max 2 mafia in the thread at the time of the lynch.
I don't think reading carefully and picking out tiny things is particularly towny.
About the last minute vote switch: Moving to a 2 vote wagon wouldn't really have made a difference. I couldn't have saved boxerfred myself and would have needed someone else to switch either way.
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So mderg if the wagon on me was clearly doomed why did you move there?
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On January 12 2016 05:31 nooniansoong wrote:
So mderg if the wagon on me was clearly doomed why did you move there?
Who the fuck said the wagon was doomed?
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On January 12 2016 05:29 mderg wrote:
About the last minute vote switch: Moving to a 2 vote wagon wouldn't really have made a difference. I couldn't have saved boxerfred myself and would have needed someone else to switch either way.
Here you say it woulnd't have made a difference.
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On January 12 2016 05:40 nooniansoong wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2016 05:29 mderg wrote:
About the last minute vote switch: Moving to a 2 vote wagon wouldn't really have made a difference. I couldn't have saved boxerfred myself and would have needed someone else to switch either way. Here you say it woulnd't have made a difference.
I said moving to a 2 vote wagon wouldn't have made a difference. Compared to the 1 lynch wagon I moved to, simply based on the fact that my vote alone did not have the potential to change anything.
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I will write my quick thoughts incase I am vigged, don't want to invest too much time obviously when its super possible ill just die.
The most likely mafia I can deduct from voting analysis and a follow up of his filter is darthfoley
You will see that Tubesock was most likely the mafia mislynch of choice, kinda sure he is town. When the 2nd vote drops onto boxerfred, tubesock is sitting at 3 votes. starting to get close. then darthfoley goes ahead and votes for tubesock to make it a comfortable 4-2. But what you can't account for as mafia is a last second large swing like that resulting in boxer's lynch. It is a very suspicious and well timed vote on his part.
Follow that up with gems like this from his filter
On January 10 2016 05:35 darthfoley wrote:
1) I think it's scummy to generate discussion and then pop out because it seems helpful, all while staying under the radar without much concrete reasoning.
2) At the time I made my post, I'm pretty sure VA had only thrown out one name in the whole thread: Sloosh as scum read. Boxerfred has been more holistic in his approach to Q&A to Koshi and others imo. I haven't looked through Tubesock's or any of the less active posters yet.
See part 2, boxerfred literally has almost no filter besides 1 post. He hasn't looked through any of the less active posters but says boxerfred is a shining example of being holistic? Soft defense that you wouldn't technically even realize you are doing as a mafia partner.
Now look through his voting pattern, he flip flops on me and tubesock at the slightest change of wind to try to appear as if he is mulling his options but really he doesnt care that either of us is lynched, they are both mislynches for him. Thread support was the only thing that ever swayed his opinion.
Finally, this is more of tells for me instead of mafia play but his first page is a lot of feigning ignorance with mechanics of the game to generate filter and even tells us about stuff he is doing irl which I largely associate with mafia attempting to lighten mood/make them appear more likable.
cya at deadline Maybe.
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At work so can't talk much, but I think I'm starting to lay off Tubesock. Don't know who my next choice is though. Will have to go through filters when I get home.
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Good thing this game doesn't operate under majority lynch.
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On January 12 2016 05:58 VayneAuthority wrote:I will write my quick thoughts incase I am vigged, don't want to invest too much time obviously when its super possible ill just die. The most likely mafia I can deduct from voting analysis and a follow up of his filter is darthfoleyYou will see that Tubesock was most likely the mafia mislynch of choice, kinda sure he is town. When the 2nd vote drops onto boxerfred, tubesock is sitting at 3 votes. starting to get close. then darthfoley goes ahead and votes for tubesock to make it a comfortable 4-2. But what you can't account for as mafia is a last second large swing like that resulting in boxer's lynch. It is a very suspicious and well timed vote on his part. Follow that up with gems like this from his filter Show nested quote +On January 10 2016 05:35 darthfoley wrote:
1) I think it's scummy to generate discussion and then pop out because it seems helpful, all while staying under the radar without much concrete reasoning.
2) At the time I made my post, I'm pretty sure VA had only thrown out one name in the whole thread: Sloosh as scum read. Boxerfred has been more holistic in his approach to Q&A to Koshi and others imo. I haven't looked through Tubesock's or any of the less active posters yet. See part 2, boxerfred literally has almost no filter besides 1 post. He hasn't looked through any of the less active posters but says boxerfred is a shining example of being holistic? Soft defense that you wouldn't technically even realize you are doing as a mafia partner. Now look through his voting pattern, he flip flops on me and tubesock at the slightest change of wind to try to appear as if he is mulling his options but really he doesnt care that either of us is lynched, they are both mislynches for him. Thread support was the only thing that ever swayed his opinion. Finally, this is more of tells for me instead of mafia play but his first page is a lot of feigning ignorance with mechanics of the game to generate filter and even tells us about stuff he is doing irl which I largely associate with mafia attempting to lighten mood/make them appear more likable. cya at deadline Maybe.
I like this case a lot VA. Tbh I can see darthfoley be mafia after reading this case and rereading his filter after. So that means something because mostly I don't believe any case.
The only thing I disagree with is the bolded. However, there are other reasons why he would move off Tubesock as mafia.
1) Maybe he moved off the Tubesock lynch at first because he knew tubesock is town and because he felt that the thread was going away from that lynch.
2) Maybe he didn't want to be part of a townlynch and his mafia buddies were not in danger at that point.
But I totally agree his filter is not consistent. He just moves left and right and never actually has a real read he believes in.
darthfoley it is.
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Ugh. Maybe it is better for the vig to not shoot. RB is gone so he shouldn't be afraid to lose his shot another night. Unless mafia decides to shoot him today he can always shoot N2.
I just don't know for sure if scott is mafia here. I would maybe give him another day.
or maybe not.
We lose a ml on a missed shot though. We do get information. And maybe regain that ml if there is a doc. or vet takes a shot.
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On January 12 2016 05:58 VayneAuthority wrote:I will write my quick thoughts incase I am vigged, don't want to invest too much time obviously when its super possible ill just die. The most likely mafia I can deduct from voting analysis and a follow up of his filter is darthfoleyYou will see that Tubesock was most likely the mafia mislynch of choice, kinda sure he is town. When the 2nd vote drops onto boxerfred, tubesock is sitting at 3 votes. starting to get close. then darthfoley goes ahead and votes for tubesock to make it a comfortable 4-2. But what you can't account for as mafia is a last second large swing like that resulting in boxer's lynch. It is a very suspicious and well timed vote on his part. Follow that up with gems like this from his filter Show nested quote +On January 10 2016 05:35 darthfoley wrote:
1) I think it's scummy to generate discussion and then pop out because it seems helpful, all while staying under the radar without much concrete reasoning.
2) At the time I made my post, I'm pretty sure VA had only thrown out one name in the whole thread: Sloosh as scum read. Boxerfred has been more holistic in his approach to Q&A to Koshi and others imo. I haven't looked through Tubesock's or any of the less active posters yet. See part 2, boxerfred literally has almost no filter besides 1 post. He hasn't looked through any of the less active posters but says boxerfred is a shining example of being holistic? Soft defense that you wouldn't technically even realize you are doing as a mafia partner. Now look through his voting pattern, he flip flops on me and tubesock at the slightest change of wind to try to appear as if he is mulling his options but really he doesnt care that either of us is lynched, they are both mislynches for him. Thread support was the only thing that ever swayed his opinion. Finally, this is more of tells for me instead of mafia play but his first page is a lot of feigning ignorance with mechanics of the game to generate filter and even tells us about stuff he is doing irl which I largely associate with mafia attempting to lighten mood/make them appear more likable. cya at deadline Maybe.
It's true that I have flip flopped between quite a few names in the thread. I voted for Koshi near the beginning and quickly realized he was almost as town as rayne. It's true that I went back and forth between you and Tubesock for basically the rest of the day phase; I've explained why. My suspicion of you was mainly driven by my first point in the post you quoted, before I had looked at your filter of D1 for the past two games. I trust Rayne to be town, plus he's played games with you before so I was ultimately willing to see your posts in N1/D2.
Regarding Tubesock, it's not like my suspicion of Tubesock emerged out of thin air with a couple hours left in the day phase. I hadn't liked his first substantive post and ultimately I felt like Tubesock didn't have much of a case against Giygas past the one we debunked.
On January 11 2016 07:29 darthfoley wrote:
I think he implied questioning your reads and their ease when he said that I said all there needs to be said (because I questioned your easy reads)
I thought Tubesock was starting to sway discussion the way he wanted, and I feel like active mafia posters are more dangerous than someone who is lurking D1 because everyone tends to be suspicious of them anyways (e.g. my suspicion of you).
If Tubesock was the mafia mislynch of choice, why would I stay on him after it was clear that it wouldn't go through? It would've made more sense to switch to Noonian, or GiygaS who already had 2.
Regarding my your tells: I opened with one sentence about watching The Revenant and later one question about the role of the Named VT. You can say i'm feigning ignorance but I just haven't ever played a game with a Named VT before. Other than that, the only non substantive questions I've asked have been about in game abbreviations. Sorry I didn't know what WIFOM means?
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+ Show Spoiler +On January 11 2016 01:46 darthfoley wrote:
##unvote
On January 11 2016 06:25 Trfel wrote:Unofficial Vote Count Tubesock (3): Koshi, GiygaS, Raynpelikoneet VayneAuthority (2): nooniansoong, slOosh GiygaS (2): Tubesock, Eden1892 boxerfred (2): GGTeMpLaR, mderg slOosh (1): VayneAuthority Koshi (1): boxerfred Not voted (2): Kmatt, darthfoley
Currently, Tubesock is being lynched. You have until Sunday, Jan 10 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00), or to lynch someone. Voting is mandatory and done in this thread.
Looking at the votes darthfoley. You put vayne on 3 with your vote, while tube already had 3 votes. Boxerfred was nowhere near any suspicion then.
But as soon as boxer gained more votes, you switch off vayne, (which doesn't make that much sense really) and move back to Tubesock, putting Tubesock a safe distance above boxerfred. This while Tubesock was looking better and better how long the game progresses.
Saying that you ideally would have to move to noonian instead of pushing the Tubesock lycnh is true. BUT it is true only in retrospect, I can totally get that you made that mistake as mafia there, not knowing noonian would ever happen and betting on Tubesock.
I really like this case from VA. And I had a dark suspicion about you while following EoD1. I waved it away during the night, but after that case, it is back in full force.
I think you are mafia.
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The only thing that happened between those 2 posts in the spoiler is rayn moving off tubesock. I know that I also was contemplating to move off tubesock at that point and that I have been quite ok with a VA lynch from the start, it was not a bad move for mafia to try to get some momentum going on VA.
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darthfoley, if you are mafia. I hope you were at least not that unlucky to roll it with scott as well. Because that would be unfortunate for your first game.
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On January 12 2016 06:47 Koshi wrote:
The only thing that happened between those 2 posts in the spoiler is rayn moving off tubesock. I know that I also was contemplating to move off tubesock at that point and that I have been quite ok with a VA lynch from the start, it was not a bad move for mafia to try to get some momentum going on VA.
I even might have moved off tubesock onto boxerfred iirc. I just forgot to put my vote in the voting thread.
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ohh you never actually voted for VA. ugh. Let me recheck then.
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On January 11 2016 05:28 darthfoley wrote:
Given how this Tubesock/GiygaS has progressed, i'm more confident in my vote for VA. He hasn't posted anything recently, and I find very little substance in what he has posted. I'm with you on this one sloosh
##Vote: VayneAuthority
You did vote for VA. Or I am going crazy or I didn't see it in the voting thread.
cba to look it up another time. I am going to assume you didn't.
OK. darthfoley it is. I am excited about this read.
VA, you are such a sexy fucker.
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Darth only really voted me, then unvoted, then revoted me.
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EPT
