Some possibilities:

(1) Tubesock was framed. GiygaS is a real cop, but claimed immediately like a donkey.
This I believe highly. Also puts us in Setup A which is where I thought we might be based on nightkill.

(2) Tubesock is actually mafia. GiygaS is a real cop, but claimed immediately like a donkey.
I doubt this.

(3) GiygaS is fakeclaiming.
Seems very bold. I kinda doubt this with the mafia being down to two people. If there is a cop to counterclaim GiygaS then the mafia trades 1-for-1 at a very bad time for them to be doing so. If we're in Setup D and there is no cop or doctor, then GiygaS has to explain for the rest of his life why he didn't die that night when the mafia have no way to stop his scans except killing him.

GiygaS

Canada1043 Posts

January 11 2016 23:14 GMT

#903

Am I not supposed to immediately claim of I find red?

Tubesock

United States2726 Posts

January 11 2016 23:15 GMT

#904

On January 12 2016 04:17 Tubesock wrote:
I think a cop check on me is wasted. The only thing to really know my alignment is my death. We can afford that.

So, I think vig shoots me or GiygaS. Cop checks someone they don't think is lock town/mafia.

I'm a pretty logical cop check which means a likely framer target too. And of course I could be GF so even a green check should be argued about.

I'll work on towncases for Noon, Eden, and Darth. Maybe not get them finished by EoN though. Confirmed towns to me are Koshi, SlOosh, GGTemplar. Just under confirmed is mderg.

VA and Scott are question marks though, but POE'd to town.

GiygaS

Canada1043 Posts

January 11 2016 23:15 GMT

#905

And why would mafia frame tube when most people said they thought he was town again.

Eden1892

United States5866 Posts

January 11 2016 23:15 GMT

#906

On January 12 2016 08:14 GiygaS wrote:
Am I not supposed to immediately claim of I find red?

Tubesock

United States2726 Posts

January 11 2016 23:16 GMT

#907

It seems amazingly stupid to fakeclaim here. Town has too many mlynches available to make it worth a 1v1

Eden1892

United States5866 Posts

January 11 2016 23:17 GMT

#908

On January 12 2016 08:16 Tubesock wrote:
It seems amazingly stupid to fakeclaim here. Town has too many mlynches available to make it worth a 1v1

Agree. I think you were framed and we are in Setup A.

Or you are good at the mafia. Either one. But I think it's A

GiygaS

Canada1043 Posts

January 11 2016 23:18 GMT

#909

On January 12 2016 08:15 Eden1892 wrote:

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And this is where I learn I suck at this game even more than I thought

Tubesock

United States2726 Posts

January 11 2016 23:19 GMT

#910

I'm not sure if that hurts me in my feeling or not.

Eden1892

United States5866 Posts

January 11 2016 23:20 GMT

#911

On January 12 2016 08:15 GiygaS wrote:
And why would mafia frame tube when most people said they thought he was town again.

He's a good target for a cop check because of all the controversy around him and the divergent opinions about him in the town. Controversial figure, likely check, makes him an easy choice to be framed.

Honestly don't even understand this question. What is the profile of a likely frame target in your eyes?

Eden1892

United States5866 Posts

January 11 2016 23:20 GMT

#912

On January 12 2016 08:19 Tubesock wrote:
I'm not sure if that hurts me in my feeling or not.

Lol I didn't say you were bad. Just that you played pretty good if you are mafia.

Koshi

Belgium38799 Posts

January 11 2016 23:22 GMT

#913

A: 8 VT, 1 Cop, 1 Named VT, 1 Framer, 1 Roleblocker, 1 Goon
B: 8 VT, 1 Cop, 1 Doctor, 1 Roleblocker, 1 Godfather, 1 Goon

If there is a named vt, there is a framer, and we might not have mafia. But I never seen a framer not frame mafia.
If there is a doctor, we got mafia.

Eden1892

United States5866 Posts

January 11 2016 23:23 GMT

#914

On January 12 2016 08:18 GiygaS wrote:

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And this is where I learn I suck at this game even more than I thought

we've all done it my friend!

But yes in the future, please question your guilty check and extract more reads out of them first. It also gives people more time to say stuff about your check.

Think about it like this. Your role, when you hit a guilty, basically reads like this: "You may switch the lynch to a guaranteed mafia today, but the day will end immediately when you do so."

When would you do this? As late as possible in the day, to maximize the amount of discussion pre-flip, and thus find more data to detect the mafia.

Koshi

Belgium38799 Posts

January 11 2016 23:23 GMT

#915

##vote: Tubesock

Giygas, promise me you are mafia or cop. Not a fucking vanilla townie being a giant dumbass. And if you are, please let us know in time. Which is right when you read this post.

GiygaS

Canada1043 Posts

January 11 2016 23:24 GMT

#916

On January 12 2016 08:23 Koshi wrote:
##vote: Tubesock

Giygas, promise me you are mafia or cop. Not a fucking vanilla townie being a giant dumbass. And if you are, please let us know in time. Which is right when you read this post.

I am cop

Koshi

Belgium38799 Posts

January 11 2016 23:25 GMT

#917

On January 12 2016 08:23 Eden1892 wrote:

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This is true. Redchecking immediatly is only useful when you are actually not the real cop. Just play the game out as it is. Try to get town to lynch your rightcheck. And if it doesn't work out just claim, there will be insane good information in the thread.

Now the day got boring and they might have a framer.