EPTOn December 15 2015 07:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I have special powers to know that.
I have special powers to know that.
Mm where did I slip VT ?
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On December 15 2015 07:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: he would have not been "self-suicidal" on eod1 if he was. most likely would have claimed instead of posting: Well I had no way to avoid that slip (= | ||
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On December 15 2015 07:09 RtaniSoul wrote: Okay, we've decided to re-evaluate everything and we've come to some shocking revelations. After rereading over all the posts, we've decided Rayn is the most likely scum. He was inconsistent in his reads on Greymist. At first, he didn't want to lynch him, then suddenly he does. It just doesn't make any sense. Secondly, we also think Damdred is mafia. LoneMeow is a bastard host and it was actually Rels who flipped vanilla town. Marv was also town. DarthPunk we aren't sure on. We thought he might be town because he buddied people early but then he started making posts that made sense so now we're not sure. GreYMisT.. Well, we thought he was town for everything but then he misconstrued something he once said in an argument about an argument in an argument so we guess he's mafia anyway. Unfortunately this means the game is already lost because there's too many mafia  You're bad. You're two players, and you two are the worst players in this game. + Show Spoiler [Why you're bad] + Your reads are bad. In your first post you had a perfectly fine opinion on DP: On December 12 2015 15:03 RtaniSoul wrote: Game? I've been mislynched once on this site, in large part because I failed to convince geript that DP was a skeezy scumbucket with a geript in his pocket. Artie remembers Imperial and remembers a more aggressive DP. I glanced through the town game before that just in case replacing in might have had an effect on DP's play, but no dice. Aggressive there right out the starting gate. These are only a few games, but given they support the perception we already have... Where you getting this from, rayn? -waves at DP- Because pointing out that you're buddying people is definitely not worth mentioning or anything ^^ We up for a round two? rayn posts why you should reconsider it: On December 12 2015 18:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: This is the last game i remember playing with DarthPunk when we were both town. This is his filter in the game. Basically i know DP is usually aggressive and i can see where you are coming from. Obviously it's nor out of the realm of possibilities he is mafia here, but i disagree in him not being "aggressive enough" makes him mafia. He treats different people differently, and i know for a fact he buddies to strong players (if you read the filter the "proof" is there). Basically this game is filled with people who in my opinion do not respond well -- or at all -- to pressure, at least unfounded pressure (i mean situations where the game has went on for hours and there is not really anything scummy in thread -- disagree?). At the time you called him out, what in your opinion should he have done as town? Should he have questioned something? Should he have pressured something more? In my opinion, when i read the thread at that point, i didn't see anything wrong -- which is i, myself decided to comment on the only read i could be even semi-sure of. Also bringing up Imperial is in my opinion a bit of a misjudgement (or what the fuck is the word). He replaced into a game on N3...... Of course there is going to be some reads he has rofl. If he hadn't any reads on a thread that is @ N3, he could just quit mafia. Comparing that game to this one (at 6 hours into the game with only 3 people properly even posting) is quite a stretch. Then BEFORE RECONSIDERING IT, YOU POST THE FUCKING SAME READ TWO MORE TIMES, THEN YOU SAY "OK RAYN WAS RIGHT WE WERE WRONG". WHY DID YOU REPOST THE SAME READ WITHOUT CHECKING WHAT RAYN SAID ??????? ITS USELESS, IT CLUTTERS THE THREAD, IT DOESNT HAVE A PURPOSE On December 13 2015 01:10 RtaniSoul wrote: P.S. Thanks rayn! I'll take a look at your link...later? Maybe when I'm waiting at the airport to pick up Lex. Also, just to be clear, my point was the buddying and not the aggression...I am well aware that DP can be aggressive as either alignment, and we are both aware that Imperial is different, which is why I looked up the other town game (Avogadro, to be precise). So let me rephrase. Buddying without pushing anything early game is what caught our attention. On December 14 2015 00:15 RtaniSoul wrote: About the reiteration Our concern is essentially what we're outlining below. Not the fact that DP is buddying, or that he's not aggressive in isolation, but that he's a non-entity. Those are distinctly different in our minds than saying oh look! DP is buddying people! He must be scum! Or DP is not being aggressive enough! He must be scum! It is more of an overall feel for his presence (or lack thereof) in the thread. Here you say DP's townread in not at all based on rayn: On December 14 2015 21:00 RtaniSoul wrote: Lexy really thinks DP is town based on his later posting, and I'm gonna trust him over me. We realize that there wasn't much thread sentiment to move to DP and it could have been considered a safe buss attempt, but Occam's razor suggests marv doesn't put his vote on his scummate to get out of a nearly inevitable lynch. We also don't see marv risking lynching his scumbuddy because he's not likely to play afterward. Then here it's partly based on rayn's read: On December 14 2015 23:39 RtaniSoul wrote: In the end, we trusted rayn that buddying and lack of aggression alone doesn't make DP scum and couldn't be assed to do a meta dive. Which bring me to a parenthesis: YOU ANSWER PARTIALLY TO QUESTIONS On December 15 2015 00:39 RtaniSoul wrote: You're right. If we'd townread GM for attacking Damdred specifically for that reason, rather than because pushing damdred and rayn is a high-risk, low-reward play with scum marv afk...that would be weird. "We townread DP because WIFOM WIFOM". That's bad but OK. On December 15 2015 00:46 RtaniSoul wrote: If those were our only reasons, then yes, they would be weak. Also, rayn's reasons for townreading GM are excellent lol >< OH I DIDNT MENTION IT IN THE LAST ANSWER BUT WE HAVE OTHER REASONS TOO HURR DURR END OF PARENTHESIS BECAUSE IT GOES BACK TO BAD READS: On December 15 2015 01:06 RtaniSoul wrote: So our view on Rels' recent posting is that it feels like the tone is more townie in that he's working with us and asking questions which is more indicative of his Townplay, but the things he's trying to nail people on are things that have either already been explained or aren't that strong and it feels a bit like "hey, can I nail them on this?" "nope? damn, let me try this instead". That's kind of the impression he's leaving on us right now. MY GOD HOW DARE RELS ASK US QUESTIONS TO SEE IF WE RE SCUM, THEN DONT FIND SOMETHING SCUMMY IN OUR ANSWERS AND GO DO SOMETHING ELSE E EZ SCUM On December 14 2015 23:11 RtaniSoul wrote: To be honest, Rels, you just haven't written anything that has made us go "ah! that looks like a town Rels!" You seem to be gunning after whatever you can get. I described it as throwing spaghetti at the wall and seeing what sticks. BECAUSE THAT IS TOTALLY NOT HOW I SCUM HUNT USUALLY HOW DARE RELS THROW SEVERAL SPAGHETTIS AND SEE THE ONE THAT STICKS ON SCUM You scumread me for POE, which is OK, AND for asking "pointless questions trying to nail suspicions on someone" which is outrageous. THAT S TRUE, HOW DARE RELS BE SUSPICIOUS OF US WHEN WE HAD SUCH A PERFECT EOD ??? WE JUST WERE AFK DURING DEADLINE AND 13 HOURS AFTER IT BECAUSE I WAS SHOPPING THE WHOLE CITY. Oh Arta ??? uh .... he was sick What is EVEN WORSE is that you also scumread me by POE because of this SUPERBE GM townread: On December 14 2015 23:11 RtaniSoul wrote: we still feel that GM's approach to the game has been fairly townie in terms of tone and strategy. Damdred and Rayn as his main scumreads earlier, for example, is just not a winning play for scum when they're never getting lynched here. We townread this experienced player because TONE and HE WOULDNT WEAR PANTS IN HIS HEAD IF HE WAS SCUM RIGHT ???? Now can you two can link me ONE time in any town game a moment where someone else ask you to explain your reasonning, and you MAKE UP A NEW ONE BEFORE REALIZING IT WASNT IT ? | ||
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On December 15 2015 19:27 DarthPunk wrote: OK im around for like 15 minutes before I have to go to bed. Some things. I'm not the medic. Rels looks really townie to me. I think RSO looks bad. I think the medic should probably claim if a save doesn't effect the number of mis-lynches we get because a confirmed townie is really strong in a small game. Free to chat for a little if anyone is around while I read through some stuff. Did you reread the thing on GM like you said you would ? What did you think of it ? Apprently nothing much since you didn't even mention it ? | ||
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On December 15 2015 19:44 DarthPunk wrote: Yes I was reading it you don't need to link me that shit. ]Anyway I get what you mean in that his arguments shifted and were created out of thin almost in those discussions with you. Yep, he made up an a reason to explain why he posted something; then said he made a mistake and that the reason wasn't true. I think it's impossible for a someone to make up a reason to explain one of his own post if he's town. | ||
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On December 15 2015 19:49 DarthPunk wrote: You too Rels can you explain what in the fuck Scum!Greymist was doing at EoD waffling around the marv lynch? How do you think they were furthering their objectives as a team at that point? Yep. On December 14 2015 05:16 GreYMisT wrote: Much less than I did before. I can go into detail why but its based on the misunderstanding we had and I dont think thats the best use of our time; now that Marv is here things have gotten unfortunatly interesting. On December 14 2015 05:23 GreYMisT wrote: My issue here is that this post didnt come at the start of the game when you said "hey" after the day post. You obviously knew that the game was starting and that it was the weekend. You didnt make any effort to phone post and say, "yo guys cant post, sorry, will do it later" or anything of the sort. Why shouldn't I believe that you are scum marv trying to come in at the last second and sow a little chaos? On December 14 2015 05:25 GreYMisT wrote: you've already gotten 1 vote off yourself On December 14 2015 05:26 GreYMisT wrote: how do you respond to this statement then? On December 14 2015 05:29 GreYMisT wrote: DP has a point here marv, I filtered him and unless im missing something he said im suspicious, never that I was his choice of a lynch to follow you. Why him over Rels if this is the case? On December 14 2015 05:36 GreYMisT wrote: Well guys, we have an hour and a half to discuss marvs last posts, figure out if he is still the lynch, and if not find another. My first impression is that it seems weird that he alternates between having reads on DP and rels, but only wants to kill DP. what do you guys think about that? In the meantime im going to look at the other options for lynch. I'm no longer confortable with rayn as a lynch. Thinking about what ritani said about his meta, and clearing up that inconsistancy i thought i saw in his post allieviated a lot of my concerns. I am looking at rels and damdred atm because I am leaning town on DP. Softly resisting the switch off marv, then being convinced to switch anyway. On December 14 2015 05:40 Damdred wrote: So Damdred Rayn Marc Hydra Rels/dp/grey Idk what to do maybe Rels today On December 14 2015 05:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: Oh god and then you make posts like that... Now i have absolutely no idea what to do. Like why do you just plain out refuse to consider Rels as mafia? Damdred scum over Rels, no fucking hell ever. On December 14 2015 05:41 Damdred wrote: The bottom three are pure poe, I think Rels probably has the highest chance of flipping scum to a point. Grey has a few weird things, and I'm just paranoid of dp tricking me again I guess, rayn and Damdred are OK switching to me. On December 14 2015 05:46 GreYMisT wrote: I found 2 things about rels. first this post sticks out to me: That agreement with DP at the end strikes me as really weird, but I dont know why. Maybe its becuase its really just meaningless, he doesnt use the time or space to push me or ask a question, and there really is no followup along this line from him. and then there is a possible overreaction becuase i mentioned his name in this post: prompting him to 3rd party defend rayn. maybe im reaching but I'd be ok with a rels lynch if thats the play. Magically GM finds two weird things in my filter; one that is not scum indicative and one that is wrong. On December 14 2015 05:50 GreYMisT wrote: oh and ##Unvote: Marvellosity You guys are right, although a scum or town marv could enter the game like that, its not alignment indicitave. I'm going to vote Rels until we figure out whats what ##Vote: Rels Switching to me without really comitting (until we figure out whats what). On December 14 2015 06:19 GreYMisT wrote: I'd be pusing marv more about it, but right berfore i posted that he said he was leaving and evidently he did. So, like ryan said, we either have to lynch marv because fuck it, or we lynch someone else. I feel weirder about rels than I do about anyone else, for the reasons i pointed out. and am most comfortable with that atm. On December 14 2015 06:39 GreYMisT wrote: As will I marv is still scummy but Rels is weirder. On December 14 2015 06:42 GreYMisT wrote: That is what I was starting to get at with my question to him, weird that he pushes DP but spends seemingly more time analyzing Rels. Its easier to analyze teammates, especially ones who dont seem, at the time, like they are the target that day. However, Im not sold on Marv being mafia, his focus seemed weird but he did all of that in like a one hour period. Even though it seemed all over the place to me it seemed genuine. If marv is mafia he's partner with Rels. But marv might no be mafia (but Rels is still mafia) I come to the thread. On December 14 2015 06:43 GreYMisT wrote: Rels we need another target other than Marv, what do you have and why On December 14 2015 06:43 GreYMisT wrote: Or if it is still marv after his appearance explain Weird thing to say 17 minutes before deadline. On December 14 2015 06:53 GreYMisT wrote: Im staying on rels On December 14 2015 06:58 GreYMisT wrote: I don't think marv is the lynch today, you are all panicking Fighting the switch off me. | ||
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Sheeped marv and rayn' will to switch to me by finding two bullshit reasons => scum indicative. Doesn't really commit to the vote on me and still show doubts when I enter the thread => scum indicative. Doesn't want to switch off me to the scum lynch => NAI, possible for both alignement | ||
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On December 15 2015 19:58 DarthPunk wrote: Have you played with marv much Rels? I think only one game, why ? I also hosted two games in which he played. | ||
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On December 15 2015 20:01 DarthPunk wrote: Pretty sure I've done it myself. Look at any bad townies bad post-hoc rationalizations for things. Like that is one of the biggest reasons bad townies get mislynched. No, I'm not going to look for a specific example for you. But I assure you it does happen. (like I'm also pretty sure rayn has raged at bad townies doing this at least once) I've seen him only one time, I cased the guy, he was scum. I'm not talking about bad reasonning or whatever; when asked to explain one of his own post, he made up a reason! I don't believe it's possible for a townie to do that. | ||
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On December 15 2015 20:07 DarthPunk wrote: Because at one point in TL mafia history, around the time when GreyMist and I played a lot off mafia, marv was considered a legitimate god at the game. Like the Flash of TL mafia. Coming from that mindset or perspective that marv is super super good and could singlehandidly the game it is an intimidating prospect to lynch him for ??? reasons. Like Rayn did have a very good reason later on but at first it was cause he was AFK all weekend (which he is also known for if you have played with him a lot) given this historical context between the players it actually makes sense somewhat that GreyMist was reacting to the marv lynch this way. And it also makes sense that you would not necessarily notice this because you lack the historical context and marv has probably (certainly?) dropped off from his prime playing days. OK. The biggest thing is still not explainable from a townie mindset; damdred and rayn (GM's former scumreads until 2 minutes before apparently) talks about switching to me; GM finds two bullshit reasons just to say he's not sheeping rayn & Damdred, then switch to me. It just screams scum and it is extremely different from the mindset rayn & Damdred had. | ||
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On December 15 2015 20:10 DarthPunk wrote: Your mafia style actually reminds me of myself a lot Rels. Which is a good thing, I promise. Like I was pretty good at this game when I was in my prime. (my prime has passed due to real life shit sadly) (= | ||
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On December 15 2015 01:24 Rels wrote: 1. You said that about rayn: First, the way he jumped onto Rels with Damdred seems a bit rushed and oppertunistic to me. As if he is testing the waters to see if he can get something rolling. Then you said you didn't have a read on me atm. How can rayn be opportunisticly jumping on me if you don't townread me ? BTW I DROPPED IT BECAUSE THE OTHER THING WAS 100% SCUM INDICATIVE, BUT THIS IS ALSO SCUM INDICATIVE. | ||
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On December 15 2015 23:38 RtaniSoul wrote: Lynch Rels, and if he for some weird reason flips town, lynch GM. If you're not doc, GM has to be. You cannot be this dumb. ##Unvote GM you need to confirm you're the doc please. | ||
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On December 15 2015 23:38 RtaniSoul wrote: So no, we really don't care anymore, especially when we were getting scumreads for being too clean. Most of your reads are based on terrible reasons. | ||
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On December 15 2015 23:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: Shh.. It was quite obvious from the moment he started questioning my logic on the claim.  Cool. Any chance it's not DP ? If not game is over. ##Vote arsoul | ||
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