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Yeah that's what I figured you would answer lolol
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I think i have a very good reason why Greymist is town.
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On December 15 2015 00:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I think i have a very good reason why Greymist is town.
Can't wait to hear it.
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I think I have a wifom reason he is town...but idk
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On December 14 2015 05:46 GreYMisT wrote:I found 2 things about rels. first this post sticks out to me: Show nested quote +On December 13 2015 19:43 Rels wrote:On December 13 2015 08:32 DarthPunk wrote:
Rayn
I guess you would call this a 'tone' read or whatever, but I am pretty darn good at spotting a townie rayn and alot of what he says makes sense. HIs damdred read was godlike and hard to fake as I have said earlier. His questioning of Rels was also good in that it showed one of the tendencies that I can recall rayn having. That being that he loves to really comb through the things people are saying in order to find small inconsistencies or breakdowns of a normal thought Process. But you don't have a read on Damdred after saying rayn's read is godlike ? On December 13 2015 08:34 DarthPunk wrote:GreyMistOn December 13 2015 03:20 GreYMisT wrote:On December 13 2015 00:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Rels i have a really hard time understanding your thought process atm so could you walk me through it.
There are a couple of things:
1) Your read on Greymist. I actually find it one of the weirdest things in this game that he does not have any sort of read on me. Before your posts two of the three people posting in this game besides him and me have stated they have a townread on me. What i would think Greymist would do is to either agree with the read, or disagree with the read (let it be null/scum for him then). Instead he doesn't do any of this. I consider myself the most vocal person in this game so far besides Damdred --> i would think people would have at least some opinion on me. Apparently you do aswell now, everyone else who has posted (after our morning) does, why is it not weird for you that Greymist doesn't?
(that goes to Greymist aswell, i would like to hear an explanation to this)
2) Your read on RtaniSoul. You think they are second likely to be mafia (calling marv mafia here is just straight out bullshit), based on the fact all they did is call your #1 scumread scum?!?!?! How on earth does this make any sense at all?
3) Why is your vote on someone you can't possibly have any read on instead on someone who you DO apparently have a read on, and you legitmately, based on you, think is mafia? I don't have time at the moment to post any follow up analysis, so I will only answer the question directed at me. I did not include any thoughts on you, Ryan, in part because you have been vocal. There is a little more for me to have to figure out and I'd like to not post a read on you until I have. It's going to be a couple more hours still before I'm able to actually post a lot again, but I promise I'm reading and can interject if need be. This smells like bullshit to me. It's true it sounds like a bad excuse. That agreement with DP at the end strikes me as really weird, but I dont know why. Maybe its becuase its really just meaningless, he doesnt use the time or space to push me or ask a question, and there really is no followup along this line from him. and then there is a possible overreaction becuase i mentioned his name in this post: Show nested quote +On December 13 2015 19:43 Rels wrote:On December 13 2015 08:32 DarthPunk wrote:
Rayn
I guess you would call this a 'tone' read or whatever, but I am pretty darn good at spotting a townie rayn and alot of what he says makes sense. HIs damdred read was godlike and hard to fake as I have said earlier. His questioning of Rels was also good in that it showed one of the tendencies that I can recall rayn having. That being that he loves to really comb through the things people are saying in order to find small inconsistencies or breakdowns of a normal thought Process. But you don't have a read on Damdred after saying rayn's read is godlike ? On December 13 2015 08:34 DarthPunk wrote:GreyMistOn December 13 2015 03:20 GreYMisT wrote:On December 13 2015 00:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Rels i have a really hard time understanding your thought process atm so could you walk me through it.
There are a couple of things:
1) Your read on Greymist. I actually find it one of the weirdest things in this game that he does not have any sort of read on me. Before your posts two of the three people posting in this game besides him and me have stated they have a townread on me. What i would think Greymist would do is to either agree with the read, or disagree with the read (let it be null/scum for him then). Instead he doesn't do any of this. I consider myself the most vocal person in this game so far besides Damdred --> i would think people would have at least some opinion on me. Apparently you do aswell now, everyone else who has posted (after our morning) does, why is it not weird for you that Greymist doesn't?
(that goes to Greymist aswell, i would like to hear an explanation to this)
2) Your read on RtaniSoul. You think they are second likely to be mafia (calling marv mafia here is just straight out bullshit), based on the fact all they did is call your #1 scumread scum?!?!?! How on earth does this make any sense at all?
3) Why is your vote on someone you can't possibly have any read on instead on someone who you DO apparently have a read on, and you legitmately, based on you, think is mafia? I don't have time at the moment to post any follow up analysis, so I will only answer the question directed at me. I did not include any thoughts on you, Ryan, in part because you have been vocal. There is a little more for me to have to figure out and I'd like to not post a read on you until I have. It's going to be a couple more hours still before I'm able to actually post a lot again, but I promise I'm reading and can interject if need be. This smells like bullshit to me. It's true it sounds like a bad excuse. prompting him to 3rd party defend rayn. maybe im reaching but I'd be ok with a rels lynch if thats the play.
Can you expand on to how I 3rd party defend rayn here ? I assume you quoted the wrong post and you meant this one:
On December 13 2015 19:50 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2015 09:36 GreYMisT wrote:
while reading, 2 stood out to me as interesting:
The first is in regards to Damdred/Rels. I felt OK about Dam at first, but it struck me as interesting the way he interacted with Rels when Rels votes Marv. He asks why Rels is policy voting someone when he has a scum read on someone else, a sentiment I have no real issue with. What strikes me as strange is the way Dam seems to play up what Rels is doing as a weird play. The interaction covers most of a page when it seemed like it really didn't need to. I am suspicious of players who have lengthy interactions with others while accomplishing nothing. In addition, after this happens, DP essentially does the exact same thing and yet no reaction from Damdred. This strikes me as odd and I'd like to hear damdred's thoights about DP's vote placement. How is it scum indicative ? I'm one of the scumread of Damdred, it's normal he interrogates me on my actions. Show nested quote +On December 13 2015 09:36 GreYMisT wrote:
The first has occurred recently- forgive me for not quoting at the moment - when Ryan said he was sure that there could not be scum between DP/Hydra/ and Rels And was "certain" there was scum between myself and Marv. To begin, I don't like when people categorize like this. I feel like it benefits mafia to arbitrarily put people into categories to empose their viewpoint on the town. That isn't the main reason I didn't like the post, however. On the contrary, I think it's town indicative for rayn to share his thought process. It's only scum indicative if you can point how what he posted is not logical or deserves a scum agenda. Show nested quote +On December 13 2015 09:36 GreYMisT wrote:
The problem I have is his sudden change in conviction. Notice before this post he is just asking my opinion, wanting to know what I think of him (I will address this later below). And then, literally the next post he is certain either I or Marv are scum. Also consider that Marv is a guy who has not been here!You cannot be certain that someone is mafia if they have not posted. So basically, Rayn is saying here that he is certain I am mafia. It is this change in attitude, this certainty, and this hiding of his opinion by including Marv in this pairing that aroused my suspicion. He explained why he thought that. Can you point what is wrong or scum with his logic ? Show nested quote +On December 13 2015 09:36 GreYMisT wrote:
First, the way he jumped onto Rels with Damdred seems a bit rushed and oppertunistic to me. As if he is testing the waters to see if he can get something rolling. You seem to consider me town since apparently Damdred / rayn attacked me too easily. Why are you townreading me ?
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On December 14 2015 23:44 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2015 23:39 RtaniSoul wrote:On December 12 2015 18:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 12 2015 15:03 RtaniSoul wrote:On December 12 2015 13:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 12 2015 13:52 RtaniSoul wrote:
*sanctioned message by both heads
We are seeking a third head. Please apply.
Unless your name is DP and your nose is firmly up everyone's ass already.
Carry on ^^ That's how he posts. Game? I've been mislynched once on this site, in large part because I failed to convince geript that DP was a skeezy scumbucket with a geript in his pocket. Artie remembers Imperial and remembers a more aggressive DP. I glanced through the town game before that just in case replacing in might have had an effect on DP's play, but no dice. Aggressive there right out the starting gate. These are only a few games, but given they support the perception we already have... Where you getting this from, rayn? -waves at DP- Because pointing out that you're buddying people is definitely not worth mentioning or anything ^^ We up for a round two? This is the last game i remember playing with DarthPunk when we were both town. This is his filter in the game. Basically i know DP is usually aggressive and i can see where you are coming from. Obviously it's nor out of the realm of possibilities he is mafia here, but i disagree in him not being "aggressive enough" makes him mafia.He treats different people differently, and i know for a fact he buddies to strong players (if you read the filter the "proof" is there).Basically this game is filled with people who in my opinion do not respond well -- or at all -- to pressure, at least unfounded pressure (i mean situations where the game has went on for hours and there is not really anything scummy in thread -- disagree?). At the time you called him out, what in your opinion should he have done as town? Should he have questioned something? Should he have pressured something more? In my opinion, when i read the thread at that point, i didn't see anything wrong -- which is i, myself decided to comment on the only read i could be even semi-sure of. Also bringing up Imperial is in my opinion a bit of a misjudgement (or what the fuck is the word). He replaced into a game on N3...... Of course there is going to be some reads he has rofl. If he hadn't any reads on a thread that is @ N3, he could just quit mafia. Comparing that game to this one (at 6 hours into the game with only 3 people properly even posting) is quite a stretch. What rayn actually said, Rels. He says our read based on aggression is NAI and that DP buddies regardless. That's probably true and we see no reason for rayn to lie to us, given we don't have as much experience with DP. Now, we didn't like that he didn't seem to be scumhunting and used the buddying and lack of aggression as an example. In the last post you quoted, you missed the salient point. We felt that DP was a non-entity in the thread. That goes beyond buzzwords like "buddying" or "aggression," don't you think? OK, so I missed it on your last post, he was potential scum for being a non-entity. Show nested quote +On December 14 2015 23:39 RtaniSoul wrote:
In the end, we trusted rayn that buddying and lack of aggression alone doesn't make DP scum and couldn't be assed to do a meta dive. This has nothing to do with being a non-entity, so I don't understand why you changed your mind ?
EoD changed my mind, and Lexy likes a lot of his recent posting. See the initial reads thread we made this morning.
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Alright.
Why is GM townie for scumreading Damdred & rayn, when he dropped these scumreads at the most opportunistic time (deadline) ?
You agreed with Damdred & rayn probing me concerning the marv vote here:
On December 14 2015 00:15 RtaniSoul wrote:
Then there was the weird marv vote that also got pinged out by Rayn and Damdred. In the case of Marv being mafia, it gives Rels an excuse to be on him early whilst actually being able to switch to DP as soon as Marv posts.
GM found Damdred scummy about the way Damdred probed me concerning the marv vote:
On December 13 2015 09:36 GreYMisT wrote:
The first is in regards to Damdred/Rels. I felt OK about Dam at first, but it struck me as interesting the way he interacted with Rels when Rels votes Marv. He asks why Rels is policy voting someone when he has a scum read on someone else, a sentiment I have no real issue with. What strikes me as strange is the way Dam seems to play up what Rels is doing as a weird play. The interaction covers most of a page when it seemed like it really didn't need to. I am suspicious of players who have lengthy interactions with others while accomplishing nothing. In addition, after this happens, DP essentially does the exact same thing and yet no reaction from Damdred. This strikes me as odd and I'd like to hear damdred's thoights about DP's vote placement.
Why do you townread GM for attacking Damdred because Damdred did something you agreed with ?
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On December 15 2015 00:36 Rels wrote:Alright. Why is GM townie for scumreading Damdred & rayn, when he dropped these scumreads at the most opportunistic time (deadline) ? You agreed with Damdred & rayn probing me concerning the marv vote here: Show nested quote +On December 14 2015 00:15 RtaniSoul wrote:
Then there was the weird marv vote that also got pinged out by Rayn and Damdred. In the case of Marv being mafia, it gives Rels an excuse to be on him early whilst actually being able to switch to DP as soon as Marv posts. GM found Damdred scummy about the way Damdred probed me concerning the marv vote: Show nested quote +On December 13 2015 09:36 GreYMisT wrote:
The first is in regards to Damdred/Rels. I felt OK about Dam at first, but it struck me as interesting the way he interacted with Rels when Rels votes Marv. He asks why Rels is policy voting someone when he has a scum read on someone else, a sentiment I have no real issue with. What strikes me as strange is the way Dam seems to play up what Rels is doing as a weird play. The interaction covers most of a page when it seemed like it really didn't need to. I am suspicious of players who have lengthy interactions with others while accomplishing nothing. In addition, after this happens, DP essentially does the exact same thing and yet no reaction from Damdred. This strikes me as odd and I'd like to hear damdred's thoights about DP's vote placement. Why do you townread GM for attacking Damdred because Damdred did something you agreed with ?
You're right. If we'd townread GM for attacking Damdred specifically for that reason, rather than because pushing damdred and rayn is a high-risk, low-reward play with scum marv afk...that would be weird.
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It basically has to do with the stuff that starts around when marv comes back or starts posting.
First his posting makes DP unvote him.
marv himself is voting for DP at this point.
I express my ocncerns and Rels, unvote marv and vote for Rels.
This is what Greymist posts there:
On December 14 2015 05:23 GreYMisT wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2015 05:19 marvellosity wrote:
this is kinda my appeal to emotion to you rayn, and also the rest of the players who know me:
weekends are ALWAYS fucking shit for me these days. like every game i make excuses about the weekend (and i should have done here but i just didn't). like the shadow QT of my last game is me going "i need to get NK n1 because as usual i am away all weekend"
sure being afk is generally a scumtell for me, but being away on the weekend is just a marvtell, and in such a fucking short game, at any point (if i wasn't genuinely afk) and made a bunch of posts that looked fine.
except (in this case where i am mafia) i have decided to leave making my posts for like 2 hours before deadline when all the votes on me and it looks kinda hopeless?
bleh............... My issue here is that this post didnt come at the start of the game when you said "hey" after the day post. You obviously knew that the game was starting and that it was the weekend. You didnt make any effort to phone post and say, "yo guys cant post, sorry, will do it later" or anything of the sort. Why shouldn't I believe that you are scum marv trying to come in at the last second and sow a little chaos?
After this marv addresses me directly and says he is keeping his vote his vote on DP.
Then Greymist posts these posts:
On December 14 2015 05:25 GreYMisT wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2015 05:23 marvellosity wrote:On December 14 2015 05:23 GreYMisT wrote:On December 14 2015 05:19 marvellosity wrote:
this is kinda my appeal to emotion to you rayn, and also the rest of the players who know me:
weekends are ALWAYS fucking shit for me these days. like every game i make excuses about the weekend (and i should have done here but i just didn't). like the shadow QT of my last game is me going "i need to get NK n1 because as usual i am away all weekend"
sure being afk is generally a scumtell for me, but being away on the weekend is just a marvtell, and in such a fucking short game, at any point (if i wasn't genuinely afk) and made a bunch of posts that looked fine.
except (in this case where i am mafia) i have decided to leave making my posts for like 2 hours before deadline when all the votes on me and it looks kinda hopeless?
bleh............... My issue here is that this post didnt come at the start of the game when you said "hey" after the day post. You obviously knew that the game was starting and that it was the weekend. You didnt make any effort to phone post and say, "yo guys cant post, sorry, will do it later" or anything of the sort. Why shouldn't I believe that you are scum marv trying to come in at the last second and sow a little chaos? how does it benefit me or my team for me to just get lynched d1? cmon Grey. you've already gotten 1 vote off yourself
On December 14 2015 05:29 GreYMisT wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2015 05:27 DarthPunk wrote:
And why am I scum for it when other people have expressed similar sentiments and are town? Like, is everyone who has stated that Greymist is scummy but are not voting for him also scum?
That makes no fucking sense. DP has a point here marv, I filtered him and unless im missing something he said im suspicious, never that I was his choice of a lynch to follow you. Why him over Rels if this is the case?
On December 14 2015 05:36 GreYMisT wrote:
Well guys, we have an hour and a half to discuss marvs last posts, figure out if he is still the lynch, and if not find another. My first impression is that it seems weird that he alternates between having reads on DP and rels, but only wants to kill DP. what do you guys think about that?
In the meantime im going to look at the other options for lynch. I'm no longer confortable with rayn as a lynch. Thinking about what ritani said about his meta, and clearing up that inconsistancy i thought i saw in his post allieviated a lot of my concerns. I am looking at rels and damdred atm because I am leaning town on DP.
Now here the situation is the following;
marv has made up his mind on the lynch. If Greymist is scum with him he knows this is the case since marv said he will leave, and left.
- marv is voting for DP. Doesn't want to lynch Rels.
- DP is voting for noone, and there is no guarantee who he will vote -- most likely Rels or marv, since regardless of his affiliation those are basically his options here.
- I am voting for Rels (but at the time i am questioning other people aswell, since Rels is not around)
- Damdred is on marv, soon to unvote -- no guarantee what he will do
- Hydra is afk, no guarantee if they will come back or not, and if they do, what they will do
In my opinion, in this case (assuming Greymist is scum here), he has to do something. He has to either align with marv (which marv has kinda done with him) and vote for DP or vote for Rels. I basically think there is no way Greymist wants to bus marv if he is scum here because the last minutes of the dayphase heavily contradict that narrative.
What does Greymist do? Look at the last set of posts. Instead of doing EITHER of the "right" things (voting for DP/Rels) he decides to cast doubt on marv (even before that) and call DP town. Now i would understand this if Greymist was scum with DP, but that is impossible. At this point marv has made his play, and got people doubtful about if he is scum. At this point you need to hammer the lynch home as scum -- because you have been given the ammunition for doing that.
Instead of doing that Greymist does the opposite. I don't believe he is scum.
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On December 15 2015 00:39 RtaniSoul wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2015 00:36 Rels wrote:Alright. Why is GM townie for scumreading Damdred & rayn, when he dropped these scumreads at the most opportunistic time (deadline) ? You agreed with Damdred & rayn probing me concerning the marv vote here: On December 14 2015 00:15 RtaniSoul wrote:
Then there was the weird marv vote that also got pinged out by Rayn and Damdred. In the case of Marv being mafia, it gives Rels an excuse to be on him early whilst actually being able to switch to DP as soon as Marv posts. GM found Damdred scummy about the way Damdred probed me concerning the marv vote: On December 13 2015 09:36 GreYMisT wrote:
The first is in regards to Damdred/Rels. I felt OK about Dam at first, but it struck me as interesting the way he interacted with Rels when Rels votes Marv. He asks why Rels is policy voting someone when he has a scum read on someone else, a sentiment I have no real issue with. What strikes me as strange is the way Dam seems to play up what Rels is doing as a weird play. The interaction covers most of a page when it seemed like it really didn't need to. I am suspicious of players who have lengthy interactions with others while accomplishing nothing. In addition, after this happens, DP essentially does the exact same thing and yet no reaction from Damdred. This strikes me as odd and I'd like to hear damdred's thoights about DP's vote placement. Why do you townread GM for attacking Damdred because Damdred did something you agreed with ? You're right. If we'd townread GM for attacking Damdred specifically for that reason, rather than because pushing damdred and rayn is a high-risk, low-reward play with scum marv afk...that would be weird.
Your reason for townreading GM isn't good then. It's "scum wouldn't do that!"
It's similar for your reason for townreading me. "scum!Rels wouldn't vote someone else than marv at EOD!" They're weak.
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On December 15 2015 00:43 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2015 00:39 RtaniSoul wrote:On December 15 2015 00:36 Rels wrote:Alright. Why is GM townie for scumreading Damdred & rayn, when he dropped these scumreads at the most opportunistic time (deadline) ? You agreed with Damdred & rayn probing me concerning the marv vote here: On December 14 2015 00:15 RtaniSoul wrote:
Then there was the weird marv vote that also got pinged out by Rayn and Damdred. In the case of Marv being mafia, it gives Rels an excuse to be on him early whilst actually being able to switch to DP as soon as Marv posts. GM found Damdred scummy about the way Damdred probed me concerning the marv vote: On December 13 2015 09:36 GreYMisT wrote:
The first is in regards to Damdred/Rels. I felt OK about Dam at first, but it struck me as interesting the way he interacted with Rels when Rels votes Marv. He asks why Rels is policy voting someone when he has a scum read on someone else, a sentiment I have no real issue with. What strikes me as strange is the way Dam seems to play up what Rels is doing as a weird play. The interaction covers most of a page when it seemed like it really didn't need to. I am suspicious of players who have lengthy interactions with others while accomplishing nothing. In addition, after this happens, DP essentially does the exact same thing and yet no reaction from Damdred. This strikes me as odd and I'd like to hear damdred's thoights about DP's vote placement. Why do you townread GM for attacking Damdred because Damdred did something you agreed with ? You're right. If we'd townread GM for attacking Damdred specifically for that reason, rather than because pushing damdred and rayn is a high-risk, low-reward play with scum marv afk...that would be weird. Your reason for townreading GM isn't good then. It's "scum wouldn't do that!" It's similar for your reason for townreading me. "scum!Rels wouldn't vote someone else than marv at EOD!" They're weak.
If those were our only reasons, then yes, they would be weak.
Also, rayn's reasons for townreading GM are excellent lol ><
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Tina ass mode is fully operational. Sorry guys 
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Now he's disassociating from me I must be getting especially bitchy lol
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What Tina meant to say was that we just felt that GreYMisT's tone felt really sincere and without an agenda to us.
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That's not what I meant to say. I meant to be a bitch. But it's true -throws things at too nice lex-
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Can I vote for Tina without lynching myself? 
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You guys sound like Palmar. Is that weird?
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@rayn: I'm not convinced by that. The moment marv came back to the thread, he had one post stating "marv you're probably still scum", then found weird things in my filter and voted me with you all, then refused to switch back to marv even though he stated marv's posting spree wasn't alignement indicative.
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