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Blazinghand
United States25551 Posts
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Blazinghand
United States25551 Posts
End Game raynpelikoneet and Rels the Vanilla Townie have jointly awarded this game to scum! DarthPunk the Scum Goon is victorious! Mafia Victory Observer Quicktopic: http://www.quicktopic.com/51/H/uesgfdP8vTyC Scum Quicktopic: http://www.quicktopic.com/51/H/ubDcFriRT2WR | ||
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Damdred
15669 Posts
I think the problem came to much a 1 v 1 between Rels and art. Rels spent to much time focusing one way and rs to willing to die instead of looking at dp. While we both accepted dp to quickly d1 I think a lot of problems came from focusing on x & y and ignoring someone else. But I don't blame rayn | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25551 Posts
On December 19 2015 01:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: The reason i decided to invite people to play is because i don't wanna play with people who are stupid, who fail to vote or just fucking afk and get modkilled, or people who can't prove they are town, and instead of trying use cheap fucking shit to do that... On December 19 2015 01:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like, i get people acting / faking acting emotional and all that shit. There is nothing wrong with it and it should be considered null in every case, unless you can prove the town motivation for it based on the stuff IN THE GAME! Asking someone to concede "if they are the same alignment you are" is just fucking bullshit. You guys are not the same alignment. So, basically to explain what happened to people who read this game in the future. The Facts: This game was in 3-player LYLO with 1 scum includes Rels, raynpelikoneet, and DarthPunk (Scum). DarthPunk and Rels crossvoted, and raynpelikoneet had to figure out who was scum. He initially voted Rels, and there was some discussion, but Rels was having trouble convincing Rayn of anything. This was frustrating for Rels. Then he made this post at rayn: On December 19 2015 00:56 Rels wrote: Actually if you're scum I town!concede. DP can you do the same ? So we don't have to waste even more time doing shit that have no purpose. Rayn reacted to this by saying that DarthPunk was therefore obviously scum, because Rels acting like this was the kind of meta, emotional, out-of-game appeal that only town would do. DarthPunk tried to play it cool and claim he was still town, of course. The situation made rayn really really mad. He thought this ruined the game, and he had put a lot of effort into assembling a player list who wouldn't resort to such underhanded tactics as "meta things people only ever do as town" in a desperate effort to win. Rayn said the game was over and ruined. DarthPunk said "let's call it a draw". Rayn decided DP deserved the victory. ----- My Opinion as a co-host: To be clear, this game, and all games, should and do contain NO MECHANIC for town to concede. The only reason I went along the concession this time with it is that DP admitted he was scum, offered the draw, and people came out of the obs QT and talked in thread. This game was definitely over. By the rules I would run as host, or in my opinion, any reasonable person would run as host, "I hereby concede if I'm town and all the other townies write this" means NOTHING. The only side that can concede is scum, because they can do so in the scum QT without this weird shit happening. Rayn notes that players don't do the kind of thing Rels does when they're scum, and for the most part, he's right. Most players, when town, are willing to play dirty (but within the rules) to win, by saying things like "I ##Town!Concede alongside DP to you, rayn" as town but never as scum. Personally, I'm not like that. In fact, I'm notorious for my willingness to cross every boundary to win as scum, when most people only do that as town. I think everyone should be like me. rayn probably thinks the same thing; it would avoid this kind of problem, since then this stuff would never be alignment indicative. Rels thinks he's like me, and rayn read him as town for the wrong reasons. Rels things he'd do this as scum. I'd like to think most people are willing to do this. Rayn, I'd like to have seen you play this game out, I know you put a lot of effort into organizing it and don't like the stunt Rels pulled. If he'd pulled it as scum, though... well, I guess what I'm saying is, you didn't account for the fact Rels could have pulled this as scum. Which was correct, but still. In any case, Rels, what you did here wasn't in bad taste if you're willing to do it as scum. If it's something you'd only do as town, well, that's fairly lame. Rayn, I wouldn't have ended the game here in your position. I think DarthPunk could have still gotten a lynch on you in conjunction with Rels, and denying him the opportunity to show of his skills in such a way is disappointing. DarthPunk, you were good. I'll add a thing to my OPs saying town can't concede, just to be clear so there's no misunderstanding in the future. And to be clear, I would always use something like this as scum, rayn. I may be alone in that, but I hope someday other scum players learn to be ruthless. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25551 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
Thanks for hosting guys! <3 | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
GGs everyone (probably, who knows). | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
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justanothertownie
16318 Posts
On December 19 2015 09:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: well hey, fuck you then. fuck you so much. I fucking tried to solve this fucking shit to best of my abilities and apparently it was not enough. But you, fuck you you piece of shit for not even fucking telling me where i went wrong on. Fuck you and your "haha's". It's not a "haha" it was legit advice. Look at how DP talked about and to you. Never really doubted you, always praised the shit out of you. Of course you tried to solve the game. I am also not saying that it was easy at all or that you should have been able to. I am just pointing out that this was the second time in a row that you townread mafia at least partly for this behaviour. You need to understand how easy it is to townread you for "the right reasons" as mafia once someone knows you. | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
sorry to ppl expecting a try-hard rsoul...at least i didn't annoy the shit out of everyone this time! lol -rolls back out- also <3 at rayn...you were a joy to play with this game ^^ i like this rayn | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
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Fecalfeast
Canada11355 Posts
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Rels
France13467 Posts
I don't think I would have convinced you to vote DP over me based on a lot of logical things pointing at me being scum (I'm pretty sure I would have voted myself in your position), so it's no big deal though. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On December 20 2015 00:08 justanothertownie wrote: It's not a "haha" it was legit advice. Look at how DP talked about and to you. Never really doubted you, always praised the shit out of you. Of course you tried to solve the game. I am also not saying that it was easy at all or that you should have been able to. I am just pointing out that this was the second time in a row that you townread mafia at least partly for this behaviour. You need to understand how easy it is to townread you for "the right reasons" as mafia once someone knows you. Well i am really sorry but it sounds like "haha" unless you are able to provide me some further analysis on why i should have scumread DP. I pointed out every single game where i have been town with DarthPunk EVER in my mafia history. I discussed them in detail with other people in the game and nobody could give me any explanation on why "Look at how DP talked about and to you" makes him scum because that's how he acts towards me when i am town. I lterally asked everyone about this.. every single person in the game, and noone was able to give a SINGLE reason for me being wrong on what i said. Not even fucking Rels could give ANY REASON for DP being mafia when he basically 100% knows DP has to be mafia on D3, no.. instead he makes a conclusion that "rayn must be scum" when i lead a lynch on scum on D1 -- which is something i would never ever do in that situation. What's even more disgusting is that it's somehow MY fault in your opinion... i should have for some fucking reason realize DP is scum when literally noone else in the game could do that aswell.... And the fact is DP read me town for the right reasons. My Damdred read is something i will never ever do as scum -- regardless of Damdred's affiliation. Me leading a lynch on marv when i could have probably voted on any fucking other player at the end of D1 is something i will never ever do as mafia. Those are the reasons DP read me town for -- and those are the EXACT reasons why i was town in this game. It's BS to say it is "sucking my dick" instead of just "being right for the right reasons". Rels could have saved that on D3, when i asked him "who would you have nightkilled if you were scum", because the N2 kill was the ONLY thing that pointed towards DP more than it did to Rels. Unfortunately he gave the ONLY answer that made the night kill a null tell. The only thing i regret is that i lynched the Hydra. Which is why i am never going to listen to anyone ever again over my own reads. But yeah, if you want to give advice -- give advice. What you did was not giving advice. | ||
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