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DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10854 Posts
December 14 2015 07:01 GMT
#321
And... nobody is around to talk. Sucks.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 14 2015 08:36 GMT
#322
Actually I'm there! Going to reread the whole game since I've missed most of it.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 14 2015 08:41 GMT
#323
On December 14 2015 15:41 DarthPunk wrote:
Rels
Lol? Wtf?

I keep town reading him for his panics and his super fast switching/ tunnels. Anyone know if he could play that kind of scum game?

I thought you read some games of mine ? You didn't read any scum games ?
I could do that as scum. But, WIFOM alert, I wouldn't if I was scum with marv.
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10854 Posts
December 14 2015 08:45 GMT
#324
On December 14 2015 17:41 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2015 15:41 DarthPunk wrote:
Rels
Lol? Wtf?

I keep town reading him for his panics and his super fast switching/ tunnels. Anyone know if he could play that kind of scum game?

I thought you read some games of mine ? You didn't read any scum games ?
I could do that as scum. But, WIFOM alert, I wouldn't if I was scum with marv.


I skimmed some games. No scum games i think.

Who do you think looks best and who looks worst from the marv flip?
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 14 2015 08:48 GMT
#325
On December 14 2015 17:45 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2015 17:41 Rels wrote:
On December 14 2015 15:41 DarthPunk wrote:
Rels
Lol? Wtf?

I keep town reading him for his panics and his super fast switching/ tunnels. Anyone know if he could play that kind of scum game?

I thought you read some games of mine ? You didn't read any scum games ?
I could do that as scum. But, WIFOM alert, I wouldn't if I was scum with marv.


I skimmed some games. No scum games i think.

Who do you think looks best and who looks worst from the marv flip?

You and GM look the worst for switching off marv and not voting him again. And GM looks the worst of you two for not looking for scum during EOD, but posting stuff like "never switching off Rels" and "marv does not seem like the best lynch".
That might change when I'm caught up ofc.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 14 2015 09:08 GMT
#326
On December 12 2015 23:26 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2015 23:24 Damdred wrote:
Cause you do things when town that are iteresting

But they didn't push that thing until rayn said it was DP's way of playing.

haha I totally misread that post. Sry Damdred p:
TBF I have no idea how I have 4 pages of filter when I didn't do anything for the whole game. I totally understand that I was almost lynched.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 14 2015 09:24 GMT
#327
On December 13 2015 03:20 GreYMisT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2015 00:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Rels i have a really hard time understanding your thought process atm so could you walk me through it.
There are a couple of things:

1) Your read on Greymist. I actually find it one of the weirdest things in this game that he does not have any sort of read on me. Before your posts two of the three people posting in this game besides him and me have stated they have a townread on me. What i would think Greymist would do is to either agree with the read, or disagree with the read (let it be null/scum for him then). Instead he doesn't do any of this. I consider myself the most vocal person in this game so far besides Damdred --> i would think people would have at least some opinion on me. Apparently you do aswell now, everyone else who has posted (after our morning) does, why is it not weird for you that Greymist doesn't?

(that goes to Greymist aswell, i would like to hear an explanation to this)

2) Your read on RtaniSoul. You think they are second likely to be mafia (calling marv mafia here is just straight out bullshit), based on the fact all they did is call your #1 scumread scum?!?!?! How on earth does this make any sense at all?

3) Why is your vote on someone you can't possibly have any read on instead on someone who you DO apparently have a read on, and you legitmately, based on you, think is mafia?


I don't have time at the moment to post any follow up analysis, so I will only answer the question directed at me.

I did not include any thoughts on you, Ryan, in part because you have been vocal. There is a little more for me to have to figure out and I'd like to not post a read on you until I have.

It's going to be a couple more hours still before I'm able to actually post a lot again, but I promise I'm reading and can interject if need be.

Man rereading this, it sounds even more like the lamest excuse in the universe. That's exactly the kind of answer a mafia would give to look good. And it doesn't match up with his previous post:
On December 12 2015 22:36 GreYMisT wrote:
If I'm being honest I have only had time to look at a few past games, but from what I have seen Damdred seems town to me. In his town games he seems willing to talk about other people, whereas in mafia games he only seems to ask questions to people.

I'm not sure about Darthpunk. I would have probably answered his questions differently if I were him, but admittedly that doesn't really mean anything.

I don't have an opinion on anyone else quite yet. It's unusual at least for me, for Marv not to be super active early. But it is just a quarter into the day and he might have changed his marvy ways since I last saw him. In any case, I'll have more detailed opinions later.

He didn't say "I have some opinions but I want to reread stuff / wait for more stuff to happen", he said "I don't have an opinion on anyone else quite yet". So in the later post, he changed his story from the previous post.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 14 2015 09:28 GMT
#328
On December 13 2015 08:41 DarthPunk wrote:
Oh about RSO just rephrasing the exact shit she just said and then saying it again. I am fairly sure she did that exact thing all the time in my last game with her. She was town then FWIW.

I still don't understand why rsoul would say that. rayn clearly stated in his post "DP cannot be scumread for XXX". Why would rsoul go "but rayn, let me rephrase: what we meant was XXX" ?
rayn you mentionned rsoul could have a town reason to do that; what was it ?
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 14 2015 09:46 GMT
#329
On December 14 2015 00:40 GreYMisT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2015 19:50 Rels wrote:
On December 13 2015 09:36 GreYMisT wrote:
while reading, 2 stood out to me as interesting:

The first is in regards to Damdred/Rels. I felt OK about Dam at first, but it struck me as interesting the way he interacted with Rels when Rels votes Marv. He asks why Rels is policy voting someone when he has a scum read on someone else, a sentiment I have no real issue with. What strikes me as strange is the way Dam seems to play up what Rels is doing as a weird play. The interaction covers most of a page when it seemed like it really didn't need to. I am suspicious of players who have lengthy interactions with others while accomplishing nothing. In addition, after this happens, DP essentially does the exact same thing and yet no reaction from Damdred. This strikes me as odd and I'd like to hear damdred's thoights about DP's vote placement.

How is it scum indicative ? I'm one of the scumread of Damdred, it's normal he interrogates me on my actions.

On December 13 2015 09:36 GreYMisT wrote:
The first has occurred recently- forgive me for not quoting at the moment - when Ryan said he was sure that there could not be scum between DP/Hydra/ and Rels And was "certain" there was scum between myself and Marv. To begin, I don't like when people categorize like this. I feel like it benefits mafia to arbitrarily put people into categories to empose their viewpoint on the town. That isn't the main reason I didn't like the post, however.

On the contrary, I think it's town indicative for rayn to share his thought process. It's only scum indicative if you can point how what he posted is not logical or deserves a scum agenda.

On December 13 2015 09:36 GreYMisT wrote:
The problem I have is his sudden change in conviction. Notice before this post he is just asking my opinion, wanting to know what I think of him (I will address this later below). And then, literally the next post he is certain either I or Marv are scum. Also consider that Marv is a guy who has not been here!You cannot be certain that someone is mafia if they have not posted. So basically, Rayn is saying here that he is certain I am mafia. It is this change in attitude, this certainty, and this hiding of his opinion by including Marv in this pairing that aroused my suspicion.

He explained why he thought that. Can you point what is wrong or scum with his logic ?

On December 13 2015 09:36 GreYMisT wrote:
First, the way he jumped onto Rels with Damdred seems a bit rushed and oppertunistic to me. As if he is testing the waters to see if he can get something rolling.

You seem to consider me town since apparently Damdred / rayn attacked me too easily. Why are you townreading me ?


At that time you had yet to post anything game related. in addition, he technically wasnt scum reading you, you were in s a "??" category because you had not yet posted. Because of this, I inferred that he didnt actually have a scum read on you during that time.

Also I'm not townreading you. At this point i'm just trying to bring up things as I see them. Nothing in my analysis depends on one person or antother being mafia.

1 - you didn't answer why you thought rayn's thought process about being at least 1 scum between you / marv was scummy / wrong ?
2 - so you don't townread me, but rayn / damdred calling me out on me voting someone else than the person I have the most suspicions on is scummy ? I don't understand the thought process here. Why are you not considering the fact that they could be right ? Why is pressuring someone on something weird is scummy ?
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
December 14 2015 09:59 GMT
#330
On December 14 2015 18:28 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2015 08:41 DarthPunk wrote:
Oh about RSO just rephrasing the exact shit she just said and then saying it again. I am fairly sure she did that exact thing all the time in my last game with her. She was town then FWIW.

I still don't understand why rsoul would say that. rayn clearly stated in his post "DP cannot be scumread for XXX". Why would rsoul go "but rayn, let me rephrase: what we meant was XXX" ?
rayn you mentionned rsoul could have a town reason to do that; what was it ?

I don't want to answer this yet, RtaniSoul can answer by themselves first.

Rels i suggest you read the thread fully before you ask questions and make conclusions.
table for two on a tv tray
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 14 2015 09:59 GMT
#331
On December 14 2015 03:17 GreYMisT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2015 02:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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See, i can't legit understand the arrows with the questionmarks.

You had said, after i had done those things that you do not have a read on me.
Later on, when you express your scumread on me, part of the reasoning is based on the time BEFORE you said you had no read on me.

So, i can't really figure it out why you, as town, would say you don't have a read on me if i have already done something scummy. Or if you re-read and came to a different conclusion afterwards why did you not clearly point that out then?

I am talking about these things here:

First, the way he jumped onto Rels with Damdred seems a bit rushed and oppertunistic to me. As if he is testing the waters to see if he can get something rolling.

Finally, Ryan asking my read of him. This strikes me as odd as well because it appears as though he wants to draw some early fire for an easy opportunity to defend himself through activity. A question like "why didn't you analyze me?!" Has bearing on day 2, but not a quarter into day 1 when information is still being processed.

Both of these things happened before you made this post:
On December 13 2015 03:20 GreYMisT wrote:
I did not include any thoughts on you, Ryan, in part because you have been vocal. There is a little more for me to have to figure out and I'd like to not post a read on you until I have.

...where you literally state you do not have a read on me.

The rest of your case i consider answered properly because it is based on you misreading one of my posts, no?


Real quick, I think here lies our misunderstanding. I didn't say I had a null read on you. What I meant was that I had not analyzed your posts yet and would later. I didn't go from null read to my analysis, I went from literally no read to my analysis

That's a lie. That's true you said you reserved your analysis for later when rayn asked you about your read on him:
On December 13 2015 03:20 GreYMisT wrote:
I did not include any thoughts on you, Ryan, in part because you have been vocal. There is a little more for me to have to figure out and I'd like to not post a read on you until I have.

But that interrogation was created by that post, in which you clearly say you didn't have an opinion on him:
On December 12 2015 22:36 GreYMisT wrote:
If I'm being honest I have only had time to look at a few past games, but from what I have seen Damdred seems town to me. In his town games he seems willing to talk about other people, whereas in mafia games he only seems to ask questions to people.

I'm not sure about Darthpunk. I would have probably answered his questions differently if I were him, but admittedly that doesn't really mean anything.

I don't have an opinion on anyone else quite yet. It's unusual at least for me, for Marv not to be super active early. But it is just a quarter into the day and he might have changed his marvy ways since I last saw him. In any case, I'll have more detailed opinions later.

raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
December 14 2015 10:05 GMT
#332
Rels can you further elaborate onto your last post. I don't really get what you are saying.
table for two on a tv tray
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 14 2015 10:22 GMT
#333
On December 14 2015 19:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Rels can you further elaborate onto your last post. I don't really get what you are saying.

Why do you not understand ? Timeline:
Time A: I don't have an opinion on anyone else (this includes rayn) => so null read on rayn
Time B: rayn => "why do you not have an opinion on me ?"
Time C: I didn't include thoughts on you 'cause I want more time to analyse you => contradicting what he said in time A
Time D: I said I didn't post my opinion on you, not that I had a null read on you => contradicting what he said in time A
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 14 2015 10:26 GMT
#334
On December 14 2015 18:46 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2015 00:40 GreYMisT wrote:
On December 13 2015 19:50 Rels wrote:
On December 13 2015 09:36 GreYMisT wrote:
while reading, 2 stood out to me as interesting:

The first is in regards to Damdred/Rels. I felt OK about Dam at first, but it struck me as interesting the way he interacted with Rels when Rels votes Marv. He asks why Rels is policy voting someone when he has a scum read on someone else, a sentiment I have no real issue with. What strikes me as strange is the way Dam seems to play up what Rels is doing as a weird play. The interaction covers most of a page when it seemed like it really didn't need to. I am suspicious of players who have lengthy interactions with others while accomplishing nothing. In addition, after this happens, DP essentially does the exact same thing and yet no reaction from Damdred. This strikes me as odd and I'd like to hear damdred's thoights about DP's vote placement.

How is it scum indicative ? I'm one of the scumread of Damdred, it's normal he interrogates me on my actions.

On December 13 2015 09:36 GreYMisT wrote:
The first has occurred recently- forgive me for not quoting at the moment - when Ryan said he was sure that there could not be scum between DP/Hydra/ and Rels And was "certain" there was scum between myself and Marv. To begin, I don't like when people categorize like this. I feel like it benefits mafia to arbitrarily put people into categories to empose their viewpoint on the town. That isn't the main reason I didn't like the post, however.

On the contrary, I think it's town indicative for rayn to share his thought process. It's only scum indicative if you can point how what he posted is not logical or deserves a scum agenda.

On December 13 2015 09:36 GreYMisT wrote:
The problem I have is his sudden change in conviction. Notice before this post he is just asking my opinion, wanting to know what I think of him (I will address this later below). And then, literally the next post he is certain either I or Marv are scum. Also consider that Marv is a guy who has not been here!You cannot be certain that someone is mafia if they have not posted. So basically, Rayn is saying here that he is certain I am mafia. It is this change in attitude, this certainty, and this hiding of his opinion by including Marv in this pairing that aroused my suspicion.

He explained why he thought that. Can you point what is wrong or scum with his logic ?

On December 13 2015 09:36 GreYMisT wrote:
First, the way he jumped onto Rels with Damdred seems a bit rushed and oppertunistic to me. As if he is testing the waters to see if he can get something rolling.

You seem to consider me town since apparently Damdred / rayn attacked me too easily. Why are you townreading me ?


At that time you had yet to post anything game related. in addition, he technically wasnt scum reading you, you were in s a "??" category because you had not yet posted. Because of this, I inferred that he didnt actually have a scum read on you during that time.

Also I'm not townreading you. At this point i'm just trying to bring up things as I see them. Nothing in my analysis depends on one person or antother being mafia.

1 - you didn't answer why you thought rayn's thought process about being at least 1 scum between you / marv was scummy / wrong ?
2 - so you don't townread me, but rayn / damdred calling me out on me voting someone else than the person I have the most suspicions on is scummy ? I don't understand the thought process here. Why are you not considering the fact that they could be right ? Why is pressuring someone on something weird is scummy ?

rayn what do you think of 2 ? 1, he said later he misread your post so that is solved.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 14 2015 10:33 GMT
#335
Why everybody is townreading rsoul ? Their first posts were concentrated on one player, so it's easy to make.
Their two last posts were OK. But they said they would read the link rayn sent them and didn't, while reiterating the same thing for the third time.
They weren't here for EOD when they are two players, and I find this extremely weird. I was in my birthday party and I took time to see how the game was going at deadline; I don't understand why they couldn't take time to post at EOD when they are two players.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
December 14 2015 10:36 GMT
#336
On December 14 2015 19:22 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2015 19:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Rels can you further elaborate onto your last post. I don't really get what you are saying.

Why do you not understand ? Timeline:
Time A: I don't have an opinion on anyone else (this includes rayn) => so null read on rayn
Time B: rayn => "why do you not have an opinion on me ?"
Time C: I didn't include thoughts on you 'cause I want more time to analyse you => contradicting what he said in time A
Time D: I said I didn't post my opinion on you, not that I had a null read on you => contradicting what he said in time A

He later on said he had no read on me because he hadn't analyzed my posts yet as you pointed out in (D).
That in my opinion makes sense with (A).
I don't see how (C) contradicts (A)?

Like, can you just quote all the posts based on this in a chronological order and point out what the contradiction you find is? I really don't see it.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
December 14 2015 10:36 GMT
#337
On December 14 2015 19:33 Rels wrote:
Why everybody is townreading rsoul ?

I don't think anyone is townreading them.
However why are you scumreading DP?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
December 14 2015 10:37 GMT
#338
On December 14 2015 19:26 Rels wrote:
[...]
2 - so you don't townread me, but rayn / damdred calling me out on me voting someone else than the person I have the most suspicions on is scummy ? I don't understand the thought process here. Why are you not considering the fact that they could be right ? Why is pressuring someone on something weird is scummy ?

rayn what do you think of 2 ? 1, he said later he misread your post so that is solved.[/QUOTE]
I would rather have Greymist answer this himself.
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Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 14 2015 10:44 GMT
#339
On December 14 2015 19:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2015 19:22 Rels wrote:
On December 14 2015 19:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Rels can you further elaborate onto your last post. I don't really get what you are saying.

Why do you not understand ? Timeline:
Time A: I don't have an opinion on anyone else (this includes rayn) => so null read on rayn
Time B: rayn => "why do you not have an opinion on me ?"
Time C: I didn't include thoughts on you 'cause I want more time to analyse you => contradicting what he said in time A
Time D: I said I didn't post my opinion on you, not that I had a null read on you => contradicting what he said in time A

He later on said he had no read on me because he hadn't analyzed my posts yet as you pointed out in (D).
That in my opinion makes sense with (A).
I don't see how (C) contradicts (A)?

Like, can you just quote all the posts based on this in a chronological order and point out what the contradiction you find is? I really don't see it.

Yep.
On December 12 2015 22:36 GreYMisT wrote:
I don't have an opinion on anyone else quite yet. It's unusual at least for me, for Marv not to be super active early. But it is just a quarter into the day and he might have changed his marvy ways since I last saw him. In any case, I'll have more detailed opinions later.

On December 13 2015 03:20 GreYMisT wrote:
I did not include any thoughts on you, Ryan, in part because you have been vocal. There is a little more for me to have to figure out and I'd like to not post a read on you until I have.

It's going to be a couple more hours still before I'm able to actually post a lot again, but I promise I'm reading and can interject if need be.

Then there is the analysis on rayn.
Then later:
On December 14 2015 03:17 GreYMisT wrote:
Real quick, I think here lies our misunderstanding. I didn't say I had a null read on you. What I meant was that I had not analyzed your posts yet and would later. I didn't go from null read to my analysis, I went from literally no read to my analysis

OK you're right, I cannot prove the first post to be "null read on rayn".
I think his excuse in the second post is weird though. Like it's a perfectly fine thing to not have a read on you at the tipme; I even think it's townie to admit it. But him finding an kinda weird explanation for not having an opinion yet is scummy to me; it feels like he has the need to defend himself against any criticism, to prove that his play at all points in time is perfectly logical.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 14 2015 10:50 GMT
#340
On December 14 2015 19:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2015 19:33 Rels wrote:
Why everybody is townreading rsoul ?

I don't think anyone is townreading them.
However why are you scumreading DP?

Why did you not consider them for D1 lynch then ? And why were you townreading them after their first posts ?
About DP: I don't scumread him. He was a townlean going into EOD. His EOD was NAI IMO.
He unvoted marv then sheeped on me then left the thread; both alignement could do it; but if he's scum, him saying "I would sheep you rayn" after you say you want to switch off marv is certainly possible. It's possible he's town doing it too.
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