EPTI think your other question to him, the "rayn & Damdred jumping on them and Greymist scumreading them for it while not having a read on Rels" might implicate something though, depending on his answer.
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raynpelikoneet
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I think your other question to him, the "rayn & Damdred jumping on them and Greymist scumreading them for it while not having a read on Rels" might implicate something though, depending on his answer. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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On December 14 2015 19:50 Rels wrote: Why did you not consider them for D1 lynch then ? And why were you townreading them after their first posts ? About DP: I don't scumread him. He was a townlean going into EOD. His EOD was NAI IMO. He unvoted marv then sheeped on me then left the thread; both alignement could do it; but if he's scum, him saying "I would sheep you rayn" after you say you want to switch off marv is certainly possible. It's possible he's town doing it too. Do you seriously think DP is mafia when marv places his vote on him and refuses to consider you (who i am pushing) as a lynch? That would implicate that marv is more okay with DP getting lynched than getting lynched himself, and i honestly do not think even marv thinks he has a better chance of winning the game with scum lynched on D1 than DP. I find it the most impossible answer that DP is mafia with marv -- after Damdred who hammered scum ofc. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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Rels
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On December 14 2015 06:53 GreYMisT wrote: Im staying on rels Why did you say that after asking me on my reads just there ? On December 14 2015 06:43 GreYMisT wrote: Rels we need another target other than Marv, what do you have and why What in these posts did you find scummy ? On December 14 2015 06:46 Rels wrote: You or arsoul. People asking questions like that 10 min before deadline is an easy way to get townread On December 14 2015 06:47 Rels wrote: I don't know, he would push me if he was scum ? On December 14 2015 06:49 Rels wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote rayn On December 14 2015 06:50 Rels wrote: Rayn is acting like he's thinking about the lynches, but doesn't want to vote for anyone else than two people. That's not a townie mentality On December 14 2015 06:52 Rels wrote: Only two other people here ? Why do I even bother talking | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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On December 14 2015 19:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why did you not consider them for D1 lynch then ? And why were you townreading them after their first posts ? Because they looked way better both of you and marv did (and Greymist) and there is only 2 mafia. Because their first posts sounded like something a townie would think, especially considering that is Artanis and rsoultin. | ||
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Rels
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On December 14 2015 19:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: Do you seriously think DP is mafia when marv places his vote on him and refuses to consider you (who i am pushing) as a lynch? That would implicate that marv is more okay with DP getting lynched than getting lynched himself, and i honestly do not think even marv thinks he has a better chance of winning the game with scum lynched on D1 than DP. I find it the most impossible answer that DP is mafia with marv -- after Damdred who hammered scum ofc. Yep that's true. marv voting DP probably means DP is town. | ||
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Rels
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On December 14 2015 19:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: Because they looked way better both of you and marv did (and Greymist) and there is only 2 mafia. Because their first posts sounded like something a townie would think, especially considering that is Artanis and rsoultin. I'm not convinced of the last sentence. And I don't like how they weren't there for deadline, but I can't deny them voting their partner and gtfo is super unlikely. Do you think the last scum has to be between GM and I ? | ||
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Rels
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On December 14 2015 20:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: Rels why did you townread marv at the EOD? I thought he would vote for me, the easy mislynch, if he was scum. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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On December 14 2015 20:01 Rels wrote: I'm not convinced of the last sentence. And I don't like how they weren't there for deadline, but I can't deny them voting their partner and gtfo is super unlikely. Do you think the last scum has to be between GM and I ? I don't know yet. Most likely yes, but I would not count out the hydra. I believe there is a possibility they just afk'd because they thought marv is not coming back. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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On December 14 2015 20:02 Rels wrote: I thought he would vote for me, the easy mislynch, if he was scum. So you didn't even read the posts he made at all? Do you realize marv was the easy lynch on D1? Noone else was. | ||
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Rels
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On December 14 2015 20:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't know yet. Most likely yes, but I would not count out the hydra. I believe there is a possibility they just afk'd because they thought marv is not coming back. I don't know about that last sentence. If you're voting your partner, you would check at EOD what's happening just in case you can switch; and they already had a perfectly usable scum lean on me. | ||
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Rels
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On December 14 2015 20:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: So you didn't even read the posts he made at all? Do you realize marv was the easy lynch on D1? Noone else was. I skimmed his filter at some point during the last minutes, but I didn't have the time to read it. Going out for lunch. I hope arsoul is town and comes back to prove it; them being AFK at deadline actually makes them town IMO. If that's the case, the game is won already. (= | ||
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RtaniSoul
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 We're both sick. I blame the euro germs.So where we're at after discussing: Rayn and damdy are obv town Lexy really thinks DP is town based on his later posting, and I'm gonna trust him over me. We realize that there wasn't much thread sentiment to move to DP and it could have been considered a safe buss attempt, but Occam's razor suggests marv doesn't put his vote on his scummate to get out of a nearly inevitable lynch. We also don't see marv risking lynching his scumbuddy because he's not likely to play afterward. That leaves GM and Rels...we're kind of split on them. Lexy thinks Rels is the last scum and I have more reservations? Notes: - Marv's townread on GM was super weak. (Although lex says marv's known for giving easy townreads on lynchbait) - GM's refusal to move from marv might suggest they're scum together. - Rels' attempts to move the lynch were just not going to work. If he's scum with marv he has nowhere to go, but that begs the question why not just vote marv? WIFOM, but it still gives me pause. - Also, the townread on us made us doubt, cause before we were pretty fine with the idea he was the last scum and were going to suggest that you lynch between us and him even, but then he townreads us when scum needs two mislynches, so...huh? It's possible he could backtrack, we suppose. Rels seems more scummy, but at the same time, his play just doesn't seem like he can possibly expect to the win this game proceeding as he is. Maybe it's really just GM. Also, of y'all want another explanation on our DP read, ask, but we've already answered it. | ||
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Rels
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On December 14 2015 21:00 RtaniSoul wrote: Rels seems more scummy, but at the same time, his play just doesn't seem like he can possibly expect to the win this game proceeding as he is. Maybe it's really just GM. Please expand. I understand being scumread for POE, but I don't see how my play is scummy, let alone the scummiest of the game. On December 14 2015 21:00 RtaniSoul wrote: Also, of y'all want another explanation on our DP read, ask, but we've already answered it. If you're talking about your DP townread, it's the first time I'm hearing about it. If you're talking about your DP scumread, did you read rayn's thoughts on it ? Do you still feel like DP's budying + not very aggressive is a scum indicator for him ? Did you read the game rayn linked ? | ||
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RtaniSoul
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On December 14 2015 22:26 Rels wrote: Please expand. I understand being scumread for POE, but I don't see how my play is scummy, let alone the scummiest of the game. If you're talking about your DP townread, it's the first time I'm hearing about it. If you're talking about your DP scumread, did you read rayn's thoughts on it ? Do you still feel like DP's budying + not very aggressive is a scum indicator for him ? Did you read the game rayn linked ? We've had a strong townread on both Rayn (me more than art, but that's splitting hairs) and Damdred since very early in the game. We just explained our DP townread, and even though we didn't mention it again in our reads post, we still feel that GM's approach to the game has been fairly townie in terms of tone and strategy. Damdred and Rayn as his main scumreads earlier, for example, is just not a winning play for scum when they're never getting lynched here. To be honest, Rels, you just haven't written anything that has made us go "ah! that looks like a town Rels!" You seem to be gunning after whatever you can get. I described it as throwing spaghetti at the wall and seeing what sticks. Lexy is fairly certain it's you, even though he did say that your EoD play looked like stream of consciousness to him. As I said earlier, if you and marv are scum together there's literally nowhere you can go. The only thing giving me pause is you didn't buss marv there which you should have as scum partners, but frankly you should have anyway. That and the townread on us, which is right, but really isn't to your advantage if you're scum. As for your DP questions, he's gotten more aggressive and honestly no, we didn't read the link. First we were travelling, then we got distracted, then we got sick and didn't care. Like, honestly I was buying groceries so we didn't have to go out to eat and we thought the deadline was an hour later. But also to be honest, since we're townreading rayn, we accepted what he said anyway. Our phrasing may have been bad. We didn't feel like DP was really scumhunting, but it doesn't really look that way anymore and we don't think it matters anyway given EoD. | ||
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Rels
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On December 14 2015 23:11 RtaniSoul wrote: We've had a strong townread on both Rayn (me more than art, but that's splitting hairs) and Damdred since very early in the game. We just explained our DP townread, and even though we didn't mention it again in our reads post, we still feel that GM's approach to the game has been fairly townie in terms of tone and strategy. Damdred and Rayn as his main scumreads earlier, for example, is just not a winning play for scum when they're never getting lynched here. To be honest, Rels, you just haven't written anything that has made us go "ah! that looks like a town Rels!" You seem to be gunning after whatever you can get. I described it as throwing spaghetti at the wall and seeing what sticks. Lexy is fairly certain it's you, even though he did say that your EoD play looked like stream of consciousness to him. As I said earlier, if you and marv are scum together there's literally nowhere you can go. The only thing giving me pause is you didn't buss marv there which you should have as scum partners, but frankly you should have anyway. That and the townread on us, which is right, but really isn't to your advantage if you're scum. OK so you scumread me by POE, 'cause others are townier than I am. On December 14 2015 23:11 RtaniSoul wrote: As for your DP questions, he's gotten more aggressive and honestly no, we didn't read the link. First we were travelling, then we got distracted, then we got sick and didn't care. Like, honestly I was buying groceries so we didn't have to go out to eat and we thought the deadline was an hour later. But also to be honest, since we're townreading rayn, we accepted what he said anyway. Our phrasing may have been bad. We didn't feel like DP was really scumhunting, but it doesn't really look that way anymore and we don't think it matters anyway given EoD. If you accepted what rayn said, why did you repeat here: On December 13 2015 01:10 RtaniSoul wrote: P.S. Thanks rayn! I'll take a look at your link...later? Maybe when I'm waiting at the airport to pick up Lex. Also, just to be clear, my point was the buddying and not the aggression...I am well aware that DP can be aggressive as either alignment, and we are both aware that Imperial is different, which is why I looked up the other town game (Avogadro, to be precise). So let me rephrase. Buddying without pushing anything early game is what caught our attention. And here: On December 14 2015 00:15 RtaniSoul wrote: About the reiteration Our concern is essentially what we're outlining below. Not the fact that DP is buddying, or that he's not aggressive in isolation, but that he's a non-entity. Those are distinctly different in our minds than saying oh look! DP is buddying people! He must be scum! Or DP is not being aggressive enough! He must be scum! It is more of an overall feel for his presence (or lack thereof) in the thread. why you scumread DP ? rayn's post was very clear that this exact thing (buddying without being too aggressive) was not scum indicative for him. | ||
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RtaniSoul
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On December 12 2015 18:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: This is the last game i remember playing with DarthPunk when we were both town. This is his filter in the game. Basically i know DP is usually aggressive and i can see where you are coming from. Obviously it's nor out of the realm of possibilities he is mafia here, but i disagree in him not being "aggressive enough" makes him mafia.He treats different people differently, and i know for a fact he buddies to strong players (if you read the filter the "proof" is there). Basically this game is filled with people who in my opinion do not respond well -- or at all -- to pressure, at least unfounded pressure (i mean situations where the game has went on for hours and there is not really anything scummy in thread -- disagree?). At the time you called him out, what in your opinion should he have done as town? Should he have questioned something? Should he have pressured something more? In my opinion, when i read the thread at that point, i didn't see anything wrong -- which is i, myself decided to comment on the only read i could be even semi-sure of. Also bringing up Imperial is in my opinion a bit of a misjudgement (or what the fuck is the word). He replaced into a game on N3...... Of course there is going to be some reads he has rofl. If he hadn't any reads on a thread that is @ N3, he could just quit mafia. Comparing that game to this one (at 6 hours into the game with only 3 people properly even posting) is quite a stretch. What rayn actually said, Rels. He says our read based on aggression is NAI and that DP buddies regardless. That's probably true and we see no reason for rayn to lie to us, given we don't have as much experience with DP. Now, we didn't like that he didn't seem to be scumhunting and used the buddying and lack of aggression as an example. In the last post you quoted, you missed the salient point. We felt that DP was a non-entity in the thread. That goes beyond buzzwords like "buddying" or "aggression," don't you think? In the end, we trusted rayn that buddying and lack of aggression alone doesn't make DP scum and couldn't be assed to do a meta dive. | ||
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Rels
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On December 14 2015 23:39 RtaniSoul wrote: What rayn actually said, Rels. He says our read based on aggression is NAI and that DP buddies regardless. That's probably true and we see no reason for rayn to lie to us, given we don't have as much experience with DP. Now, we didn't like that he didn't seem to be scumhunting and used the buddying and lack of aggression as an example. In the last post you quoted, you missed the salient point. We felt that DP was a non-entity in the thread. That goes beyond buzzwords like "buddying" or "aggression," don't you think? OK, so I missed it on your last post, he was potential scum for being a non-entity. On December 14 2015 23:39 RtaniSoul wrote: In the end, we trusted rayn that buddying and lack of aggression alone doesn't make DP scum and couldn't be assed to do a meta dive. This has nothing to do with being a non-entity, so I don't understand why you changed your mind ? | ||
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