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Rayn it is hard, maybe medic will be in group of three and make it easy lolol.
I'm still super paranoid about dp but I think he's town maybe.
One thing going against rels which is total eifom in my mind was Marv not jumping on him to work with you and preserve himself. But at the same time why would he if he had done enough to get you and I off of him you could scream rels home and he got to sit back. Besides that I like some of the effort/logic rels is using.
Idk I'm still torn on gm Marv I think gave a read on everyone but gm? Ignored him to a point and eod made me throw my hands up about him.
tina/art have no cred from the Marv flip but I like what they say when they are here but something bugs me to an extent about them. Mube they aren't as helpful as they should be or as involved
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Rayn, you are not being useful at the moment. It doesn't help me if you keep posting about your confusion. Get unconfused. Ask questions, talk to other people, I'd sure like to hear some opinions. But what this night does not need is more of what's going on for the last 5 pages
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On December 15 2015 05:36 Damdred wrote:
Rayn it is hard, maybe medic will be in group of three and make it easy lolol.
I'm still super paranoid about dp but I think he's town maybe.
One thing going against rels which is total eifom in my mind was Marv not jumping on him to work with you and preserve himself. But at the same time why would he if he had done enough to get you and I off of him you could scream rels home and he got to sit back. Besides that I like some of the effort/logic rels is using.
Idk I'm still torn on gm Marv I think gave a read on everyone but gm? Ignored him to a point and eod made me throw my hands up about him.
tina/art have no cred from the Marv flip but I like what they say when they are here but something bugs me to an extent about them. Mube they aren't as helpful as they should be or as involved
Lexmessage cause Tina thinks I'm silly;
The main reason we haven't been as involved in terms of interacting with the thread is because we can bounce our reads off on each other and just post in the thread when we have formulated our reads or feel the need to interact with our reads, really. It's just a very different way of playing the game. As for Marv flipping scum and us afking on him, I do actually think that gives us some cred because Marv coming back to the thread when his scumbuddy is afk is just not something that's likely to happen. Marv and I talk occasionally and I'm sure we would've communicated about it. He wouldn't have come back without that.
Additionally, we've just been distracted, sick, and all that stuff.
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Let's get unconfused then:
Damdred:
I think this should be obvious. He hammered scum. Period.
DarthPunk:
Most likely town based on marv voting for him and not going onto Rels when i was pushing Rels. I seriously think if DP/marv were mafia here marv could have escaped the lynch. I believe they would have done something to make him escape the lynch since they were BOTH here at the same time. However, if DP is at LYLO do not take this as a 100% truth. There is a tiny chance DP could be scum, but if he is not he should get more vocal and involved into the game.
GreyMist:
I don't fucking know. From the three people i consider as possible scum he looks the best.
+ his EOD looks legit confused and not scummy
+ if he is scum i don't get why he just doesn't vote for marv after Damdred votes (since Rels is not gonna vote for himself anyways) --> there is no way he is gonna save marv at that point anyways
+ before that i think he acted really townie, as i pointed out before
- i feel like he is reserved and dodges questions, or ugh.. i don't know how to put it... doesn't answer them properly in the first place, i feel like some things must be "dragged out of him". I don't fucking know if this is just how he plays and i am not going to go check his past games rn (i don't think that even matters because unless i am mistaken the last game he played was years ago)
- i don't like him saying this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/499921-really-small-mafia-ii?page=21#418 , go into his filter p3 and see what his "analysis" after that are. i don't really see any.
- i don't understand him asking stuff from Damdred (to me it sounded like he thinks Damdred could be scum??) and asking Rels about his read on me (as it's quite clear what Rels' read on me is)
I still think, gun to my head, the pros outweigh the cons. Wouldn't lynch. Fortunately i don't have to decide that right now.
RtaniSoul:
Something feels wrong here. Like the posts look clean, everything looks fine. But then i am thinking what would they do if they were mafia, and i can't figure out what they would do differently... I seriously can't. If there is anything, i feel like they are uninvested in figuring out what is in fact what. Something is lacking here....
Rels:
- I don't like his EOD, i really don't, i disagree with Damdred here. The thing is Rels said he hasn't read most of the posts when shit started to happen, yet he doesn't listen to anyone when he comes back at the EOD, just starts yelling idk.. something...
- The scumread on marv suddenly disappears there, without him properly reading marv's posts
- I agree with the two-head here, many of Rels' points seem to lead nowhere and are minor points that do not actually matter at all alignment-wise
- Actually this shit here points towards Rels more than Greymist. Look at what i say about Greymist's post, and what Rels does:
+ Show Spoiler +On December 13 2015 18:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2015 09:36 GreYMisT wrote:
First I will say that, while I find some conduct of Ryan suspicious, this results from inconsistencies in his behavior. I thought a lot of what he was doing seemed towny, however there are a few things that give me pause.
The first has occurred recently- forgive me for not quoting at the moment - when Ryan said he was sure that there could not be scum between DP/Hydra/ and Rels And was "certain" there was scum between myself and Marv. To begin, I don't like when people categorize like this. I feel like it benefits mafia to arbitrarily put people into categories to empose their viewpoint on the town. That isn't the main reason I didn't like the post, however. I never said there could not be scum between them. I said i think there is no way BOTH of the scum are between them. I provided analysis on why i reached to the conclusion. I am not arbitary putting people into categories, if you think my analysis is incorrect, please argue about why they are incorrect instead of just creating a narrative on the conclusion. Show nested quote +The problem I have is his sudden change in conviction. Notice before this post he is just asking my opinion, wanting to know what I think of him (I will address this later below). And then, literally the next post he is certain either I or Marv are scum. Also consider that Marv is a guy who has not been here!You cannot be certain that someone is mafia if they have not posted. So basically, Rayn is saying here that he is certain I am mafia. It is this change in attitude, this certainty, and this hiding of his opinion by including Marv in this pairing that aroused my suspicion. I am not saying it is certain you are mafia. In fact i am far more sure of marv being scum at this point based purely on the fact that he well knows the game has started and has decided to not post anything at all. The conclusion that at least one of you / marv has to be mafia for me is completely logical based on the analysis on other people -- basically it is due to PoE. Again, if you do not agree with this, please point out where i am wrong in my analysis. Then we have something to argue about. Tbf, you can't just say something is scummy / wrong without actually explaining why it is that way. I feel like i have provided my thought process behind every conclusion i have made in this game -- so it would only be natural for you to actually try to disprove my conclusions if you attack my arguments, no? Show nested quote +Finally, I thought back to Ryan's other posts. They all seemed very towny so I thought to myself: "maybe I'm just chainsaw ing Ryan here, creating a read on him out of spite." Then I noticed 2 minor things which makes me think, perhaps, he could be mafia.
First, the way he jumped onto Rels with Damdred seems a bit rushed and oppertunistic to me. As if he is testing the waters to see if he can get something rolling. Again, i have already said why i think this is the case. Why is my (and Damdred's) "jump" on Rels "rushed and oppertunistic". I found out Rels' thought process illogical and the things he posted didn't match up with the conclusions he ended up with. I wanted him to elaborate further, and i don't think "that going nowhere" is my fault, since Rels' answer was basically "yeah that's what i think". Show nested quote +Finally, Ryan asking my read of him. This strikes me as odd as well because it appears as though he wants to draw some early fire for an easy opportunity to defend himself through activity. A question like "why didn't you analyze me?!" Has bearing on day 2, but not a quarter into day 1 when information is still being processed.
There are my current thoughts, more to come. In my opinion this has bearing when you analyze every single other player who has posted that far in the game. I consider it weird because if you are mafia you would either: 1) correctly call me town -- in which case it hinders your mislynch possibilities 2) incorrectly call me mafia -- in which case your logic is not sound in the first place and someone can catch you for it Furthermore at some point you were saying you didn't have a read on me. But around half of your case (idk.. is this a case?) is based on the timeline when you didn't have a read on me, and is also basically based on everything i did during that time.. How is it possible both of your statements are correct? On December 13 2015 19:50 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2015 09:36 GreYMisT wrote:
while reading, 2 stood out to me as interesting:
The first is in regards to Damdred/Rels. I felt OK about Dam at first, but it struck me as interesting the way he interacted with Rels when Rels votes Marv. He asks why Rels is policy voting someone when he has a scum read on someone else, a sentiment I have no real issue with. What strikes me as strange is the way Dam seems to play up what Rels is doing as a weird play. The interaction covers most of a page when it seemed like it really didn't need to. I am suspicious of players who have lengthy interactions with others while accomplishing nothing. In addition, after this happens, DP essentially does the exact same thing and yet no reaction from Damdred. This strikes me as odd and I'd like to hear damdred's thoights about DP's vote placement. How is it scum indicative ? I'm one of the scumread of Damdred, it's normal he interrogates me on my actions. Show nested quote +On December 13 2015 09:36 GreYMisT wrote:
The first has occurred recently- forgive me for not quoting at the moment - when Ryan said he was sure that there could not be scum between DP/Hydra/ and Rels And was "certain" there was scum between myself and Marv. To begin, I don't like when people categorize like this. I feel like it benefits mafia to arbitrarily put people into categories to empose their viewpoint on the town. That isn't the main reason I didn't like the post, however. On the contrary, I think it's town indicative for rayn to share his thought process. It's only scum indicative if you can point how what he posted is not logical or deserves a scum agenda. Show nested quote +On December 13 2015 09:36 GreYMisT wrote:
The problem I have is his sudden change in conviction. Notice before this post he is just asking my opinion, wanting to know what I think of him (I will address this later below). And then, literally the next post he is certain either I or Marv are scum. Also consider that Marv is a guy who has not been here!You cannot be certain that someone is mafia if they have not posted. So basically, Rayn is saying here that he is certain I am mafia. It is this change in attitude, this certainty, and this hiding of his opinion by including Marv in this pairing that aroused my suspicion. He explained why he thought that. Can you point what is wrong or scum with his logic ? Show nested quote +On December 13 2015 09:36 GreYMisT wrote:
First, the way he jumped onto Rels with Damdred seems a bit rushed and oppertunistic to me. As if he is testing the waters to see if he can get something rolling. You seem to consider me town since apparently Damdred / rayn attacked me too easily. Why are you townreading me ?
The notable difference here is the following:
What i did i pointed out why Greymist was talking about something that i NEVER said. What Rels did is he just asked "why is this scummy?". I believe this shows a lack of reading the thread properly and understanding why people say the things they do, since the correct question here, for Rels, should be "rayn never said what you claim here -- why are you saying he did?". If i actually did what Greymist said in his post that WOULD be scummy, but the fact is i didn't.
I think this is the strongest point against Rels, and i missed that before. Also notice that the post Rels made came AFTER i had already posted my response to Greymist.
My preferred lynch order at this point is Rels --> Hydra.
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On December 15 2015 06:01 RtaniSoul wrote:
As for Marv flipping scum and us afking on him, I do actually think that gives us some cred because Marv coming back to the thread when his scumbuddy is afk is just not something that's likely to happen. Marv and I talk occasionally and I'm sure we would've communicated about it. He wouldn't have come back without that.
No, that gives you literally 0 credit.
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Alright. Please go here and see the number 1, 2 and 3:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/499921-really-small-mafia-ii?page=22#430
When I interrogated GM as to why he made the post about me defending rayn, he answered this:
On December 15 2015 01:11 GreYMisT wrote:
3) and I think i might have misquoted as you said. I see it as a 3rd party defense because I posted suspicions of ryan, and you came in and broke down the post instead of waiting to see how rayn would react to it, like I would assume a town would who wants more information.
That corresponds to the post being the "number 2" post, where, as he said, I "came in and broke down the post".
Now he actually went back from this answer and say it's number 1+3 that he meant:
On December 15 2015 04:21 GreYMisT wrote:
Its the fourth option: I should have had 2 quotes in that section - a combination of the 1st and the 3rd.
But anyway rels, just pretend like I am not mafia for a few minutes. You have a gun, who do you shoot tonight and why.
But in this configuration, I didn't "came in and broke the post instead of waiting to see how rayn would react to it". Meaning this post is a mistake, as he admited:
On December 15 2015 01:11 GreYMisT wrote:
3) and I think i might have misquoted as you said. I see it as a 3rd party defense because I posted suspicions of ryan, and you came in and broke down the post instead of waiting to see how rayn would react to it, like I would assume a town would who wants more information.
Now in that post he posted a rational explanation as to why he apparently thought I was scum trying to 3rd party defend rayn. An explanation that he rescinded a few posts later, saying he made a mistake.
It is unlikely for a townie to forget why you scumread someone. It is impossible for a townie to create a new reason by mistake. So GM is scum making up stuff.
He saw my post:
+ Show Spoiler +On December 15 2015 00:25 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2015 05:46 GreYMisT wrote:I found 2 things about rels. first this post sticks out to me: On December 13 2015 19:43 Rels wrote:On December 13 2015 08:32 DarthPunk wrote:
Rayn
I guess you would call this a 'tone' read or whatever, but I am pretty darn good at spotting a townie rayn and alot of what he says makes sense. HIs damdred read was godlike and hard to fake as I have said earlier. His questioning of Rels was also good in that it showed one of the tendencies that I can recall rayn having. That being that he loves to really comb through the things people are saying in order to find small inconsistencies or breakdowns of a normal thought Process. But you don't have a read on Damdred after saying rayn's read is godlike ? On December 13 2015 08:34 DarthPunk wrote:GreyMistOn December 13 2015 03:20 GreYMisT wrote:On December 13 2015 00:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Rels i have a really hard time understanding your thought process atm so could you walk me through it.
There are a couple of things:
1) Your read on Greymist. I actually find it one of the weirdest things in this game that he does not have any sort of read on me. Before your posts two of the three people posting in this game besides him and me have stated they have a townread on me. What i would think Greymist would do is to either agree with the read, or disagree with the read (let it be null/scum for him then). Instead he doesn't do any of this. I consider myself the most vocal person in this game so far besides Damdred --> i would think people would have at least some opinion on me. Apparently you do aswell now, everyone else who has posted (after our morning) does, why is it not weird for you that Greymist doesn't?
(that goes to Greymist aswell, i would like to hear an explanation to this)
2) Your read on RtaniSoul. You think they are second likely to be mafia (calling marv mafia here is just straight out bullshit), based on the fact all they did is call your #1 scumread scum?!?!?! How on earth does this make any sense at all?
3) Why is your vote on someone you can't possibly have any read on instead on someone who you DO apparently have a read on, and you legitmately, based on you, think is mafia? I don't have time at the moment to post any follow up analysis, so I will only answer the question directed at me. I did not include any thoughts on you, Ryan, in part because you have been vocal. There is a little more for me to have to figure out and I'd like to not post a read on you until I have. It's going to be a couple more hours still before I'm able to actually post a lot again, but I promise I'm reading and can interject if need be. This smells like bullshit to me. It's true it sounds like a bad excuse. That agreement with DP at the end strikes me as really weird, but I dont know why. Maybe its becuase its really just meaningless, he doesnt use the time or space to push me or ask a question, and there really is no followup along this line from him. and then there is a possible overreaction becuase i mentioned his name in this post: On December 13 2015 19:43 Rels wrote:On December 13 2015 08:32 DarthPunk wrote:
Rayn
I guess you would call this a 'tone' read or whatever, but I am pretty darn good at spotting a townie rayn and alot of what he says makes sense. HIs damdred read was godlike and hard to fake as I have said earlier. His questioning of Rels was also good in that it showed one of the tendencies that I can recall rayn having. That being that he loves to really comb through the things people are saying in order to find small inconsistencies or breakdowns of a normal thought Process. But you don't have a read on Damdred after saying rayn's read is godlike ? On December 13 2015 08:34 DarthPunk wrote:GreyMistOn December 13 2015 03:20 GreYMisT wrote:On December 13 2015 00:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Rels i have a really hard time understanding your thought process atm so could you walk me through it.
There are a couple of things:
1) Your read on Greymist. I actually find it one of the weirdest things in this game that he does not have any sort of read on me. Before your posts two of the three people posting in this game besides him and me have stated they have a townread on me. What i would think Greymist would do is to either agree with the read, or disagree with the read (let it be null/scum for him then). Instead he doesn't do any of this. I consider myself the most vocal person in this game so far besides Damdred --> i would think people would have at least some opinion on me. Apparently you do aswell now, everyone else who has posted (after our morning) does, why is it not weird for you that Greymist doesn't?
(that goes to Greymist aswell, i would like to hear an explanation to this)
2) Your read on RtaniSoul. You think they are second likely to be mafia (calling marv mafia here is just straight out bullshit), based on the fact all they did is call your #1 scumread scum?!?!?! How on earth does this make any sense at all?
3) Why is your vote on someone you can't possibly have any read on instead on someone who you DO apparently have a read on, and you legitmately, based on you, think is mafia? I don't have time at the moment to post any follow up analysis, so I will only answer the question directed at me. I did not include any thoughts on you, Ryan, in part because you have been vocal. There is a little more for me to have to figure out and I'd like to not post a read on you until I have. It's going to be a couple more hours still before I'm able to actually post a lot again, but I promise I'm reading and can interject if need be. This smells like bullshit to me. It's true it sounds like a bad excuse. prompting him to 3rd party defend rayn. maybe im reaching but I'd be ok with a rels lynch if thats the play. Can you expand on to how I 3rd party defend rayn here ? I assume you quoted the wrong post and you meant this one: Show nested quote +On December 13 2015 19:50 Rels wrote:On December 13 2015 09:36 GreYMisT wrote:
while reading, 2 stood out to me as interesting:
The first is in regards to Damdred/Rels. I felt OK about Dam at first, but it struck me as interesting the way he interacted with Rels when Rels votes Marv. He asks why Rels is policy voting someone when he has a scum read on someone else, a sentiment I have no real issue with. What strikes me as strange is the way Dam seems to play up what Rels is doing as a weird play. The interaction covers most of a page when it seemed like it really didn't need to. I am suspicious of players who have lengthy interactions with others while accomplishing nothing. In addition, after this happens, DP essentially does the exact same thing and yet no reaction from Damdred. This strikes me as odd and I'd like to hear damdred's thoights about DP's vote placement. How is it scum indicative ? I'm one of the scumread of Damdred, it's normal he interrogates me on my actions. On December 13 2015 09:36 GreYMisT wrote:
The first has occurred recently- forgive me for not quoting at the moment - when Ryan said he was sure that there could not be scum between DP/Hydra/ and Rels And was "certain" there was scum between myself and Marv. To begin, I don't like when people categorize like this. I feel like it benefits mafia to arbitrarily put people into categories to empose their viewpoint on the town. That isn't the main reason I didn't like the post, however. On the contrary, I think it's town indicative for rayn to share his thought process. It's only scum indicative if you can point how what he posted is not logical or deserves a scum agenda. On December 13 2015 09:36 GreYMisT wrote:
The problem I have is his sudden change in conviction. Notice before this post he is just asking my opinion, wanting to know what I think of him (I will address this later below). And then, literally the next post he is certain either I or Marv are scum. Also consider that Marv is a guy who has not been here!You cannot be certain that someone is mafia if they have not posted. So basically, Rayn is saying here that he is certain I am mafia. It is this change in attitude, this certainty, and this hiding of his opinion by including Marv in this pairing that aroused my suspicion. He explained why he thought that. Can you point what is wrong or scum with his logic ? On December 13 2015 09:36 GreYMisT wrote:
First, the way he jumped onto Rels with Damdred seems a bit rushed and oppertunistic to me. As if he is testing the waters to see if he can get something rolling. You seem to consider me town since apparently Damdred / rayn attacked me too easily. Why are you townreading me ?
Thought about what to answer, made up a reason that made sense:
+ Show Spoiler +On December 15 2015 01:11 GreYMisT wrote:
3) and I think i might have misquoted as you said. I see it as a 3rd party defense because I posted suspicions of ryan, and you came in and broke down the post instead of waiting to see how rayn would react to it, like I would assume a town would who wants more information.
Then went back on it realizing it didn't make sense:
+ Show Spoiler +On December 15 2015 01:34 GreYMisT wrote:
Ok I see now, I didnt misquote, just didnt format the best way. the "3rd party defend" statement that I said referred to the same one you quoted, and my thoughts were based on that. On December 15 2015 01:37 GreYMisT wrote:
Thanks for pointing that out. It appears as though I missremembered. On December 15 2015 01:41 GreYMisT wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2015 01:36 Rels wrote:On December 15 2015 01:34 GreYMisT wrote:
Ok I see now, I didnt misquote, just didnt format the best way. the "3rd party defend" statement that I said referred to the same one you quoted, and my thoughts were based on that. So you mean it referred to this ? On December 13 2015 19:43 Rels wrote:On December 13 2015 08:32 DarthPunk wrote:
Rayn
I guess you would call this a 'tone' read or whatever, but I am pretty darn good at spotting a townie rayn and alot of what he says makes sense. HIs damdred read was godlike and hard to fake as I have said earlier. His questioning of Rels was also good in that it showed one of the tendencies that I can recall rayn having. That being that he loves to really comb through the things people are saying in order to find small inconsistencies or breakdowns of a normal thought Process. But you don't have a read on Damdred after saying rayn's read is godlike ? On December 13 2015 08:34 DarthPunk wrote:GreyMistOn December 13 2015 03:20 GreYMisT wrote:On December 13 2015 00:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Rels i have a really hard time understanding your thought process atm so could you walk me through it.
There are a couple of things:
1) Your read on Greymist. I actually find it one of the weirdest things in this game that he does not have any sort of read on me. Before your posts two of the three people posting in this game besides him and me have stated they have a townread on me. What i would think Greymist would do is to either agree with the read, or disagree with the read (let it be null/scum for him then). Instead he doesn't do any of this. I consider myself the most vocal person in this game so far besides Damdred --> i would think people would have at least some opinion on me. Apparently you do aswell now, everyone else who has posted (after our morning) does, why is it not weird for you that Greymist doesn't?
(that goes to Greymist aswell, i would like to hear an explanation to this)
2) Your read on RtaniSoul. You think they are second likely to be mafia (calling marv mafia here is just straight out bullshit), based on the fact all they did is call your #1 scumread scum?!?!?! How on earth does this make any sense at all?
3) Why is your vote on someone you can't possibly have any read on instead on someone who you DO apparently have a read on, and you legitmately, based on you, think is mafia? I don't have time at the moment to post any follow up analysis, so I will only answer the question directed at me. I did not include any thoughts on you, Ryan, in part because you have been vocal. There is a little more for me to have to figure out and I'd like to not post a read on you until I have. It's going to be a couple more hours still before I'm able to actually post a lot again, but I promise I'm reading and can interject if need be. This smells like bullshit to me. It's true it sounds like a bad excuse. I dont think this is getting us anywhere, but ill try to make this clear for you. And this is the last I'll discuss this for now. I was pointing out a connection between your saying "sounds like a bad excuse" when i made a comment about ryan, and the later post you did commenting on my post about rayn. "Prompting" was probably the incorrect word to use in that case.
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On December 15 2015 00:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:It basically has to do with the stuff that starts around when marv comes back or starts posting. First his posting makes DP unvote him. marv himself is voting for DP at this point. I express my ocncerns and Rels, unvote marv and vote for Rels. This is what Greymist posts there: Show nested quote +On December 14 2015 05:23 GreYMisT wrote:On December 14 2015 05:19 marvellosity wrote:
this is kinda my appeal to emotion to you rayn, and also the rest of the players who know me:
weekends are ALWAYS fucking shit for me these days. like every game i make excuses about the weekend (and i should have done here but i just didn't). like the shadow QT of my last game is me going "i need to get NK n1 because as usual i am away all weekend"
sure being afk is generally a scumtell for me, but being away on the weekend is just a marvtell, and in such a fucking short game, at any point (if i wasn't genuinely afk) and made a bunch of posts that looked fine.
except (in this case where i am mafia) i have decided to leave making my posts for like 2 hours before deadline when all the votes on me and it looks kinda hopeless?
bleh............... My issue here is that this post didnt come at the start of the game when you said "hey" after the day post. You obviously knew that the game was starting and that it was the weekend. You didnt make any effort to phone post and say, "yo guys cant post, sorry, will do it later" or anything of the sort. Why shouldn't I believe that you are scum marv trying to come in at the last second and sow a little chaos? After this marv addresses me directly and says he is keeping his vote his vote on DP. Then Greymist posts these posts: Show nested quote +On December 14 2015 05:25 GreYMisT wrote:On December 14 2015 05:23 marvellosity wrote:On December 14 2015 05:23 GreYMisT wrote:On December 14 2015 05:19 marvellosity wrote:
this is kinda my appeal to emotion to you rayn, and also the rest of the players who know me:
weekends are ALWAYS fucking shit for me these days. like every game i make excuses about the weekend (and i should have done here but i just didn't). like the shadow QT of my last game is me going "i need to get NK n1 because as usual i am away all weekend"
sure being afk is generally a scumtell for me, but being away on the weekend is just a marvtell, and in such a fucking short game, at any point (if i wasn't genuinely afk) and made a bunch of posts that looked fine.
except (in this case where i am mafia) i have decided to leave making my posts for like 2 hours before deadline when all the votes on me and it looks kinda hopeless?
bleh............... My issue here is that this post didnt come at the start of the game when you said "hey" after the day post. You obviously knew that the game was starting and that it was the weekend. You didnt make any effort to phone post and say, "yo guys cant post, sorry, will do it later" or anything of the sort. Why shouldn't I believe that you are scum marv trying to come in at the last second and sow a little chaos? how does it benefit me or my team for me to just get lynched d1? cmon Grey. you've already gotten 1 vote off yourself Show nested quote +On December 14 2015 05:29 GreYMisT wrote:On December 14 2015 05:27 DarthPunk wrote:
And why am I scum for it when other people have expressed similar sentiments and are town? Like, is everyone who has stated that Greymist is scummy but are not voting for him also scum?
That makes no fucking sense. DP has a point here marv, I filtered him and unless im missing something he said im suspicious, never that I was his choice of a lynch to follow you. Why him over Rels if this is the case? Show nested quote +On December 14 2015 05:36 GreYMisT wrote:
Well guys, we have an hour and a half to discuss marvs last posts, figure out if he is still the lynch, and if not find another. My first impression is that it seems weird that he alternates between having reads on DP and rels, but only wants to kill DP. what do you guys think about that?
In the meantime im going to look at the other options for lynch. I'm no longer confortable with rayn as a lynch. Thinking about what ritani said about his meta, and clearing up that inconsistancy i thought i saw in his post allieviated a lot of my concerns. I am looking at rels and damdred atm because I am leaning town on DP.
Now here the situation is the following; marv has made up his mind on the lynch. If Greymist is scum with him he knows this is the case since marv said he will leave, and left. - marv is voting for DP. Doesn't want to lynch Rels. - DP is voting for noone, and there is no guarantee who he will vote -- most likely Rels or marv, since regardless of his affiliation those are basically his options here. - I am voting for Rels (but at the time i am questioning other people aswell, since Rels is not around) - Damdred is on marv, soon to unvote -- no guarantee what he will do - Hydra is afk, no guarantee if they will come back or not, and if they do, what they will do In my opinion, in this case (assuming Greymist is scum here), he has to do something. He has to either align with marv (which marv has kinda done with him) and vote for DP or vote for Rels. I basically think there is no way Greymist wants to bus marv if he is scum here because the last minutes of the dayphase heavily contradict that narrative. What does Greymist do? Look at the last set of posts. Instead of doing EITHER of the "right" things (voting for DP/Rels) he decides to cast doubt on marv (even before that) and call DP town. Now i would understand this if Greymist was scum with DP, but that is impossible. At this point marv has made his play, and got people doubtful about if he is scum. At this point you need to hammer the lynch home as scum -- because you have been given the ammunition for doing that. Instead of doing that Greymist does the opposite. I don't believe he is scum.
This makes sense.
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rayn if by your fault GM is never lynched this game I'm gonna be super mad. I don't have anything to answer your things against me.
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No fuck.. Greymist is scum.
Rels makes sense here.
Greymist actually says two different things here.
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Right I just caught up.
I'm about to go to work in 20 min or so. And I am going out for dinner straight after work. So I will be back in a little over 12 hours.
I really feel like it's hard to interact in the thread with the timezone differences and having like 3 hours per day to post but I am trying.
If I Die just sheep rayn.
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On December 15 2015 06:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
No fuck.. Greymist is scum.
Rels makes sense here.
Greymist actually says two different things here.
Man that feels very good
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fucking fuck.
i need to go for 15mins.
i'll explain if i have time when i am back.
basically follow the link from here, the last quote from rels:
follow the last post rels copy/pasted here and read very carefully. also make sure you are fully aware of what has happened when the posts that come up later on have been posted.
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To each his own. I'm not worried about being lynched and even if I am I think the remaining town will be able to dissect this whole night phase quite nicely. I'll be spending the next day phase trying to find scum. I'll freely interact with anyone towards those ends.
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Rayn if grey is scum why did he not push me or rels really hard with marv in order to stave off marvs lynch?
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On December 15 2015 06:34 DarthPunk wrote:
Rayn if grey is scum why did he not push me or rels really hard with marv in order to stave off marvs lynch?
He didn't push hard but he did push me and tried to resist the switch off me to marv.
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On December 15 2015 06:30 GreYMisT wrote:
To each his own. I'm not worried about being lynched and even if I am I think the remaining town will be able to dissect this whole night phase quite nicely. I'll be spending the next day phase trying to find scum. I'll freely interact with anyone towards those ends.
Who do you want to lynch right now and why?
Who is most likely town to you and why?
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On December 15 2015 06:36 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2015 06:34 DarthPunk wrote:
Rayn if grey is scum why did he not push me or rels really hard with marv in order to stave off marvs lynch? He didn't push hard but he did push me and tried to resist the switch off me to marv.
I guess that is kinda true. But I think scum in that position would do one of three things.
1.) Push another target really hard.
2.) Bus marv really hard.
3.) Ignore the lynch entirely.
I do not see what grey would be thinking as scum at EoD kinda waffling around his scum buddies lynch.
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Okay, the important posts from Rels are here. Let's call them:
Post 1:
On December 13 2015 19:43 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2015 08:34 DarthPunk wrote:GreyMistOn December 13 2015 03:20 GreYMisT wrote:On December 13 2015 00:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Rels i have a really hard time understanding your thought process atm so could you walk me through it.
There are a couple of things:
1) Your read on Greymist. I actually find it one of the weirdest things in this game that he does not have any sort of read on me. Before your posts two of the three people posting in this game besides him and me have stated they have a townread on me. What i would think Greymist would do is to either agree with the read, or disagree with the read (let it be null/scum for him then). Instead he doesn't do any of this. I consider myself the most vocal person in this game so far besides Damdred --> i would think people would have at least some opinion on me. Apparently you do aswell now, everyone else who has posted (after our morning) does, why is it not weird for you that Greymist doesn't?
(that goes to Greymist aswell, i would like to hear an explanation to this)
2) Your read on RtaniSoul. You think they are second likely to be mafia (calling marv mafia here is just straight out bullshit), based on the fact all they did is call your #1 scumread scum?!?!?! How on earth does this make any sense at all?
3) Why is your vote on someone you can't possibly have any read on instead on someone who you DO apparently have a read on, and you legitmately, based on you, think is mafia? I don't have time at the moment to post any follow up analysis, so I will only answer the question directed at me. I did not include any thoughts on you, Ryan, in part because you have been vocal. There is a little more for me to have to figure out and I'd like to not post a read on you until I have. It's going to be a couple more hours still before I'm able to actually post a lot again, but I promise I'm reading and can interject if need be. This smells like bullshit to me. It's true it sounds like a bad excuse.
Post 2:
On December 13 2015 19:50 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2015 09:36 GreYMisT wrote:
while reading, 2 stood out to me as interesting:
The first is in regards to Damdred/Rels. I felt OK about Dam at first, but it struck me as interesting the way he interacted with Rels when Rels votes Marv. He asks why Rels is policy voting someone when he has a scum read on someone else, a sentiment I have no real issue with. What strikes me as strange is the way Dam seems to play up what Rels is doing as a weird play. The interaction covers most of a page when it seemed like it really didn't need to. I am suspicious of players who have lengthy interactions with others while accomplishing nothing. In addition, after this happens, DP essentially does the exact same thing and yet no reaction from Damdred. This strikes me as odd and I'd like to hear damdred's thoights about DP's vote placement. How is it scum indicative ? I'm one of the scumread of Damdred, it's normal he interrogates me on my actions. Show nested quote +On December 13 2015 09:36 GreYMisT wrote:
The first has occurred recently- forgive me for not quoting at the moment - when Ryan said he was sure that there could not be scum between DP/Hydra/ and Rels And was "certain" there was scum between myself and Marv. To begin, I don't like when people categorize like this. I feel like it benefits mafia to arbitrarily put people into categories to empose their viewpoint on the town. That isn't the main reason I didn't like the post, however. On the contrary, I think it's town indicative for rayn to share his thought process. It's only scum indicative if you can point how what he posted is not logical or deserves a scum agenda. Show nested quote +On December 13 2015 09:36 GreYMisT wrote:
The problem I have is his sudden change in conviction. Notice before this post he is just asking my opinion, wanting to know what I think of him (I will address this later below). And then, literally the next post he is certain either I or Marv are scum. Also consider that Marv is a guy who has not been here!You cannot be certain that someone is mafia if they have not posted. So basically, Rayn is saying here that he is certain I am mafia. It is this change in attitude, this certainty, and this hiding of his opinion by including Marv in this pairing that aroused my suspicion. He explained why he thought that. Can you point what is wrong or scum with his logic ? Show nested quote +On December 13 2015 09:36 GreYMisT wrote:
First, the way he jumped onto Rels with Damdred seems a bit rushed and oppertunistic to me. As if he is testing the waters to see if he can get something rolling. You seem to consider me town since apparently Damdred / rayn attacked me too easily. Why are you townreading me ?
Now this is what Greymist says about Rels regarding his [post 1]:
On December 14 2015 05:46 GreYMisT wrote:
prompting him to 3rd party defend rayn. maybe im reaching but I'd be ok with a rels lynch if thats the play.
Rels responds with asking if Greymist really meant [post 2] instead of [post 1].
Greymist responds with this:
On December 15 2015 01:11 GreYMisT wrote:3) and I think i might have misquoted as you said. I see it as a 3rd party defense because I posted suspicions of ryan, and you came in and broke down the post instead of waiting to see how rayn would react to it, like I would assume a town would who wants more information.
Now there are the following problems:
1) Greymist uses two different explanations for his post. This is something i find highly unlike to come from a townie, ever. It's like he goes: "Oh now i remember, I posted suspicions of ryan, and you came in and broke down the post instead of waiting to see how rayn would react to it". This could be possibly a townie just misremembering but..
2) The problem with the above is it is a straight out lie. Rels NEVER broke my post down because i had posted MY response to Greymist BEFORE Rels made his [post 2]. Therefore it is impossible this is true.
Now all this combined i do not think Greymist is telling the truth here, because either he is in the end lying about which post he is talking about, or he is lying about the reasoning behind the scumread in total.
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slight EBWOP:
"...Rels NEVER broke Greymist's post down as he claims...."
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