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Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 14 2015 17:07 GMT
#421
On December 15 2015 01:58 GreYMisT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2015 01:54 Rels wrote:
On December 15 2015 01:51 GreYMisT wrote:
On December 15 2015 01:48 Rels wrote:
On December 15 2015 01:41 GreYMisT wrote:
On December 15 2015 01:36 Rels wrote:
On December 15 2015 01:34 GreYMisT wrote:
Ok I see now, I didnt misquote, just didnt format the best way. the "3rd party defend" statement that I said referred to the same one you quoted, and my thoughts were based on that.

So you mean it referred to this ?
On December 13 2015 19:43 Rels wrote:
On December 13 2015 08:32 DarthPunk wrote:
Rayn
I guess you would call this a 'tone' read or whatever, but I am pretty darn good at spotting a townie rayn and alot of what he says makes sense. HIs damdred read was godlike and hard to fake as I have said earlier. His questioning of Rels was also good in that it showed one of the tendencies that I can recall rayn having. That being that he loves to really comb through the things people are saying in order to find small inconsistencies or breakdowns of a normal thought Process.

But you don't have a read on Damdred after saying rayn's read is godlike ?
On December 13 2015 08:34 DarthPunk wrote:
GreyMist

On December 13 2015 03:20 GreYMisT wrote:
On December 13 2015 00:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Rels i have a really hard time understanding your thought process atm so could you walk me through it.
There are a couple of things:

1) Your read on Greymist. I actually find it one of the weirdest things in this game that he does not have any sort of read on me. Before your posts two of the three people posting in this game besides him and me have stated they have a townread on me. What i would think Greymist would do is to either agree with the read, or disagree with the read (let it be null/scum for him then). Instead he doesn't do any of this. I consider myself the most vocal person in this game so far besides Damdred --> i would think people would have at least some opinion on me. Apparently you do aswell now, everyone else who has posted (after our morning) does, why is it not weird for you that Greymist doesn't?

(that goes to Greymist aswell, i would like to hear an explanation to this)

2) Your read on RtaniSoul. You think they are second likely to be mafia (calling marv mafia here is just straight out bullshit), based on the fact all they did is call your #1 scumread scum?!?!?! How on earth does this make any sense at all?

3) Why is your vote on someone you can't possibly have any read on instead on someone who you DO apparently have a read on, and you legitmately, based on you, think is mafia?


I don't have time at the moment to post any follow up analysis, so I will only answer the question directed at me.

I did not include any thoughts on you, Ryan, in part because you have been vocal. There is a little more for me to have to figure out and I'd like to not post a read on you until I have.

It's going to be a couple more hours still before I'm able to actually post a lot again, but I promise I'm reading and can interject if need be.


This smells like bullshit to me.

It's true it sounds like a bad excuse.


I dont think this is getting us anywhere, but ill try to make this clear for you. And this is the last I'll discuss this for now.

I was pointing out a connection between your saying "sounds like a bad excuse" when i made a comment about ryan, and the later post you did commenting on my post about rayn. "Prompting" was probably the incorrect word to use in that case.


See, I still have a little bit of a problem. 'cause here is where you attacked my post saying it was a 3rd party defense of rayn:
On December 14 2015 05:46 GreYMisT wrote:
I found 2 things about rels. first this post sticks out to me:

On December 13 2015 19:43 Rels wrote:
On December 13 2015 08:32 DarthPunk wrote:
Rayn
I guess you would call this a 'tone' read or whatever, but I am pretty darn good at spotting a townie rayn and alot of what he says makes sense. HIs damdred read was godlike and hard to fake as I have said earlier. His questioning of Rels was also good in that it showed one of the tendencies that I can recall rayn having. That being that he loves to really comb through the things people are saying in order to find small inconsistencies or breakdowns of a normal thought Process.

But you don't have a read on Damdred after saying rayn's read is godlike ?
On December 13 2015 08:34 DarthPunk wrote:
GreyMist

On December 13 2015 03:20 GreYMisT wrote:
On December 13 2015 00:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Rels i have a really hard time understanding your thought process atm so could you walk me through it.
There are a couple of things:

1) Your read on Greymist. I actually find it one of the weirdest things in this game that he does not have any sort of read on me. Before your posts two of the three people posting in this game besides him and me have stated they have a townread on me. What i would think Greymist would do is to either agree with the read, or disagree with the read (let it be null/scum for him then). Instead he doesn't do any of this. I consider myself the most vocal person in this game so far besides Damdred --> i would think people would have at least some opinion on me. Apparently you do aswell now, everyone else who has posted (after our morning) does, why is it not weird for you that Greymist doesn't?

(that goes to Greymist aswell, i would like to hear an explanation to this)

2) Your read on RtaniSoul. You think they are second likely to be mafia (calling marv mafia here is just straight out bullshit), based on the fact all they did is call your #1 scumread scum?!?!?! How on earth does this make any sense at all?

3) Why is your vote on someone you can't possibly have any read on instead on someone who you DO apparently have a read on, and you legitmately, based on you, think is mafia?


I don't have time at the moment to post any follow up analysis, so I will only answer the question directed at me.

I did not include any thoughts on you, Ryan, in part because you have been vocal. There is a little more for me to have to figure out and I'd like to not post a read on you until I have.

It's going to be a couple more hours still before I'm able to actually post a lot again, but I promise I'm reading and can interject if need be.


This smells like bullshit to me.

It's true it sounds like a bad excuse.


That agreement with DP at the end strikes me as really weird, but I dont know why. Maybe its becuase its really just meaningless, he doesnt use the time or space to push me or ask a question, and there really is no followup along this line from him.

and then there is a possible overreaction becuase i mentioned his name in this post:

On December 13 2015 19:43 Rels wrote:
On December 13 2015 08:32 DarthPunk wrote:
Rayn
I guess you would call this a 'tone' read or whatever, but I am pretty darn good at spotting a townie rayn and alot of what he says makes sense. HIs damdred read was godlike and hard to fake as I have said earlier. His questioning of Rels was also good in that it showed one of the tendencies that I can recall rayn having. That being that he loves to really comb through the things people are saying in order to find small inconsistencies or breakdowns of a normal thought Process.

But you don't have a read on Damdred after saying rayn's read is godlike ?
On December 13 2015 08:34 DarthPunk wrote:
GreyMist

On December 13 2015 03:20 GreYMisT wrote:
On December 13 2015 00:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Rels i have a really hard time understanding your thought process atm so could you walk me through it.
There are a couple of things:

1) Your read on Greymist. I actually find it one of the weirdest things in this game that he does not have any sort of read on me. Before your posts two of the three people posting in this game besides him and me have stated they have a townread on me. What i would think Greymist would do is to either agree with the read, or disagree with the read (let it be null/scum for him then). Instead he doesn't do any of this. I consider myself the most vocal person in this game so far besides Damdred --> i would think people would have at least some opinion on me. Apparently you do aswell now, everyone else who has posted (after our morning) does, why is it not weird for you that Greymist doesn't?

(that goes to Greymist aswell, i would like to hear an explanation to this)

2) Your read on RtaniSoul. You think they are second likely to be mafia (calling marv mafia here is just straight out bullshit), based on the fact all they did is call your #1 scumread scum?!?!?! How on earth does this make any sense at all?

3) Why is your vote on someone you can't possibly have any read on instead on someone who you DO apparently have a read on, and you legitmately, based on you, think is mafia?


I don't have time at the moment to post any follow up analysis, so I will only answer the question directed at me.

I did not include any thoughts on you, Ryan, in part because you have been vocal. There is a little more for me to have to figure out and I'd like to not post a read on you until I have.

It's going to be a couple more hours still before I'm able to actually post a lot again, but I promise I'm reading and can interject if need be.


This smells like bullshit to me.

It's true it sounds like a bad excuse.


prompting him to 3rd party defend rayn. maybe im reaching but I'd be ok with a rels lynch if thats the play.


You said I was prompted to 3rd party defend rayn when you mentionned me by name. But you didn't mention me by name in the post I commented on saying it sounded like a bad excuse. Look:
On December 13 2015 03:20 GreYMisT wrote:
On December 13 2015 00:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Rels i have a really hard time understanding your thought process atm so could you walk me through it.
There are a couple of things:

1) Your read on Greymist. I actually find it one of the weirdest things in this game that he does not have any sort of read on me. Before your posts two of the three people posting in this game besides him and me have stated they have a townread on me. What i would think Greymist would do is to either agree with the read, or disagree with the read (let it be null/scum for him then). Instead he doesn't do any of this. I consider myself the most vocal person in this game so far besides Damdred --> i would think people would have at least some opinion on me. Apparently you do aswell now, everyone else who has posted (after our morning) does, why is it not weird for you that Greymist doesn't?

(that goes to Greymist aswell, i would like to hear an explanation to this)

2) Your read on RtaniSoul. You think they are second likely to be mafia (calling marv mafia here is just straight out bullshit), based on the fact all they did is call your #1 scumread scum?!?!?! How on earth does this make any sense at all?

3) Why is your vote on someone you can't possibly have any read on instead on someone who you DO apparently have a read on, and you legitmately, based on you, think is mafia?


I don't have time at the moment to post any follow up analysis, so I will only answer the question directed at me.

I did not include any thoughts on you, Ryan, in part because you have been vocal. There is a little more for me to have to figure out and I'd like to not post a read on you until I have.

It's going to be a couple more hours still before I'm able to actually post a lot again, but I promise I'm reading and can interject if need be.

So what did you mean by that ?


I have already explained this. Prompted was a poor word choice, "connected" is better. I was referring to both posts.

I have also explained the last thing. I posted 2 quick reads, saw that rayn had posted a few big posts and decided to hold off on them until later because it would take more to digest.

Rels what do you think about rayn?

You haven't answer the question. Who is "him" in the sentence: and then there is a possible overreaction becuase i mentioned his name in this post: in that post:
On December 14 2015 05:46 GreYMisT wrote:
I found 2 things about rels. first this post sticks out to me:

On December 13 2015 19:43 Rels wrote:
On December 13 2015 08:32 DarthPunk wrote:
Rayn
I guess you would call this a 'tone' read or whatever, but I am pretty darn good at spotting a townie rayn and alot of what he says makes sense. HIs damdred read was godlike and hard to fake as I have said earlier. His questioning of Rels was also good in that it showed one of the tendencies that I can recall rayn having. That being that he loves to really comb through the things people are saying in order to find small inconsistencies or breakdowns of a normal thought Process.

But you don't have a read on Damdred after saying rayn's read is godlike ?
On December 13 2015 08:34 DarthPunk wrote:
GreyMist

On December 13 2015 03:20 GreYMisT wrote:
On December 13 2015 00:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Rels i have a really hard time understanding your thought process atm so could you walk me through it.
There are a couple of things:

1) Your read on Greymist. I actually find it one of the weirdest things in this game that he does not have any sort of read on me. Before your posts two of the three people posting in this game besides him and me have stated they have a townread on me. What i would think Greymist would do is to either agree with the read, or disagree with the read (let it be null/scum for him then). Instead he doesn't do any of this. I consider myself the most vocal person in this game so far besides Damdred --> i would think people would have at least some opinion on me. Apparently you do aswell now, everyone else who has posted (after our morning) does, why is it not weird for you that Greymist doesn't?

(that goes to Greymist aswell, i would like to hear an explanation to this)

2) Your read on RtaniSoul. You think they are second likely to be mafia (calling marv mafia here is just straight out bullshit), based on the fact all they did is call your #1 scumread scum?!?!?! How on earth does this make any sense at all?

3) Why is your vote on someone you can't possibly have any read on instead on someone who you DO apparently have a read on, and you legitmately, based on you, think is mafia?


I don't have time at the moment to post any follow up analysis, so I will only answer the question directed at me.

I did not include any thoughts on you, Ryan, in part because you have been vocal. There is a little more for me to have to figure out and I'd like to not post a read on you until I have.

It's going to be a couple more hours still before I'm able to actually post a lot again, but I promise I'm reading and can interject if need be.


This smells like bullshit to me.

It's true it sounds like a bad excuse.


That agreement with DP at the end strikes me as really weird, but I dont know why. Maybe its becuase its really just meaningless, he doesnt use the time or space to push me or ask a question, and there really is no followup along this line from him.

and then there is a possible overreaction becuase i mentioned his name in this post:

On December 13 2015 19:43 Rels wrote:
On December 13 2015 08:32 DarthPunk wrote:
Rayn
I guess you would call this a 'tone' read or whatever, but I am pretty darn good at spotting a townie rayn and alot of what he says makes sense. HIs damdred read was godlike and hard to fake as I have said earlier. His questioning of Rels was also good in that it showed one of the tendencies that I can recall rayn having. That being that he loves to really comb through the things people are saying in order to find small inconsistencies or breakdowns of a normal thought Process.

But you don't have a read on Damdred after saying rayn's read is godlike ?
On December 13 2015 08:34 DarthPunk wrote:
GreyMist

On December 13 2015 03:20 GreYMisT wrote:
On December 13 2015 00:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Rels i have a really hard time understanding your thought process atm so could you walk me through it.
There are a couple of things:

1) Your read on Greymist. I actually find it one of the weirdest things in this game that he does not have any sort of read on me. Before your posts two of the three people posting in this game besides him and me have stated they have a townread on me. What i would think Greymist would do is to either agree with the read, or disagree with the read (let it be null/scum for him then). Instead he doesn't do any of this. I consider myself the most vocal person in this game so far besides Damdred --> i would think people would have at least some opinion on me. Apparently you do aswell now, everyone else who has posted (after our morning) does, why is it not weird for you that Greymist doesn't?

(that goes to Greymist aswell, i would like to hear an explanation to this)

2) Your read on RtaniSoul. You think they are second likely to be mafia (calling marv mafia here is just straight out bullshit), based on the fact all they did is call your #1 scumread scum?!?!?! How on earth does this make any sense at all?

3) Why is your vote on someone you can't possibly have any read on instead on someone who you DO apparently have a read on, and you legitmately, based on you, think is mafia?


I don't have time at the moment to post any follow up analysis, so I will only answer the question directed at me.

I did not include any thoughts on you, Ryan, in part because you have been vocal. There is a little more for me to have to figure out and I'd like to not post a read on you until I have.

It's going to be a couple more hours still before I'm able to actually post a lot again, but I promise I'm reading and can interject if need be.


This smells like bullshit to me.

It's true it sounds like a bad excuse.


prompting him to 3rd party defend rayn. maybe im reaching but I'd be ok with a rels lynch if thats the play.


Is that me ?


Try to read what i have said, I'm going to spend time analyzing and not belaboring this point.

WILL YOU ANSWER THE FUCKING QUESTION
ITS NOT HARD
REREAD YOUR FUCKING POST AND ANSWER
YOU SAY YOU DIDNT MISQUOTE ACTUALLY SO THIS IS WHAT YOU MEANT YESTERDAY:
On December 14 2015 05:46 GreYMisT wrote:
I found 2 things about rels. first this post sticks out to me:

Show nested quote +
On December 13 2015 19:43 Rels wrote:
On December 13 2015 08:32 DarthPunk wrote:
Rayn
I guess you would call this a 'tone' read or whatever, but I am pretty darn good at spotting a townie rayn and alot of what he says makes sense. HIs damdred read was godlike and hard to fake as I have said earlier. His questioning of Rels was also good in that it showed one of the tendencies that I can recall rayn having. That being that he loves to really comb through the things people are saying in order to find small inconsistencies or breakdowns of a normal thought Process.

But you don't have a read on Damdred after saying rayn's read is godlike ?
On December 13 2015 08:34 DarthPunk wrote:
GreyMist

On December 13 2015 03:20 GreYMisT wrote:
On December 13 2015 00:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Rels i have a really hard time understanding your thought process atm so could you walk me through it.
There are a couple of things:

1) Your read on Greymist. I actually find it one of the weirdest things in this game that he does not have any sort of read on me. Before your posts two of the three people posting in this game besides him and me have stated they have a townread on me. What i would think Greymist would do is to either agree with the read, or disagree with the read (let it be null/scum for him then). Instead he doesn't do any of this. I consider myself the most vocal person in this game so far besides Damdred --> i would think people would have at least some opinion on me. Apparently you do aswell now, everyone else who has posted (after our morning) does, why is it not weird for you that Greymist doesn't?

(that goes to Greymist aswell, i would like to hear an explanation to this)

2) Your read on RtaniSoul. You think they are second likely to be mafia (calling marv mafia here is just straight out bullshit), based on the fact all they did is call your #1 scumread scum?!?!?! How on earth does this make any sense at all?

3) Why is your vote on someone you can't possibly have any read on instead on someone who you DO apparently have a read on, and you legitmately, based on you, think is mafia?


I don't have time at the moment to post any follow up analysis, so I will only answer the question directed at me.

I did not include any thoughts on you, Ryan, in part because you have been vocal. There is a little more for me to have to figure out and I'd like to not post a read on you until I have.

It's going to be a couple more hours still before I'm able to actually post a lot again, but I promise I'm reading and can interject if need be.


This smells like bullshit to me.

It's true it sounds like a bad excuse.


That agreement with DP at the end strikes me as really weird, but I dont know why. Maybe its becuase its really just meaningless, he doesnt use the time or space to push me or ask a question, and there really is no followup along this line from him.

and then there is a possible overreaction becuase i mentioned his name in this post:

Show nested quote +
On December 13 2015 19:43 Rels wrote:
On December 13 2015 08:32 DarthPunk wrote:
Rayn
I guess you would call this a 'tone' read or whatever, but I am pretty darn good at spotting a townie rayn and alot of what he says makes sense. HIs damdred read was godlike and hard to fake as I have said earlier. His questioning of Rels was also good in that it showed one of the tendencies that I can recall rayn having. That being that he loves to really comb through the things people are saying in order to find small inconsistencies or breakdowns of a normal thought Process.

But you don't have a read on Damdred after saying rayn's read is godlike ?
On December 13 2015 08:34 DarthPunk wrote:
GreyMist

On December 13 2015 03:20 GreYMisT wrote:
On December 13 2015 00:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Rels i have a really hard time understanding your thought process atm so could you walk me through it.
There are a couple of things:

1) Your read on Greymist. I actually find it one of the weirdest things in this game that he does not have any sort of read on me. Before your posts two of the three people posting in this game besides him and me have stated they have a townread on me. What i would think Greymist would do is to either agree with the read, or disagree with the read (let it be null/scum for him then). Instead he doesn't do any of this. I consider myself the most vocal person in this game so far besides Damdred --> i would think people would have at least some opinion on me. Apparently you do aswell now, everyone else who has posted (after our morning) does, why is it not weird for you that Greymist doesn't?

(that goes to Greymist aswell, i would like to hear an explanation to this)

2) Your read on RtaniSoul. You think they are second likely to be mafia (calling marv mafia here is just straight out bullshit), based on the fact all they did is call your #1 scumread scum?!?!?! How on earth does this make any sense at all?

3) Why is your vote on someone you can't possibly have any read on instead on someone who you DO apparently have a read on, and you legitmately, based on you, think is mafia?


I don't have time at the moment to post any follow up analysis, so I will only answer the question directed at me.

I did not include any thoughts on you, Ryan, in part because you have been vocal. There is a little more for me to have to figure out and I'd like to not post a read on you until I have.

It's going to be a couple more hours still before I'm able to actually post a lot again, but I promise I'm reading and can interject if need be.


This smells like bullshit to me.

It's true it sounds like a bad excuse.


prompting him to 3rd party defend rayn. maybe im reaching but I'd be ok with a rels lynch if thats the play.


WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY "HIS" IN THIS SENTENCE:
and then there is a possible overreaction becuase i mentioned his name in this post:
IS THAT ME ?
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 14 2015 17:08 GMT
#422
Leaving now, make him answer the FUCKING and SIMPLE question before he does anything else please
GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
December 14 2015 17:11 GMT
#423
On December 14 2015 05:46 GreYMisT wrote:
I found 2 things about rels. first this post sticks out to me:

Show nested quote +
On December 13 2015 19:43 Rels wrote:
On December 13 2015 08:32 DarthPunk wrote:
Rayn
I guess you would call this a 'tone' read or whatever, but I am pretty darn good at spotting a townie rayn and alot of what he says makes sense. HIs damdred read was godlike and hard to fake as I have said earlier. His questioning of Rels was also good in that it showed one of the tendencies that I can recall rayn having. That being that he loves to really comb through the things people are saying in order to find small inconsistencies or breakdowns of a normal thought Process.

But you don't have a read on Damdred after saying rayn's read is godlike ?
On December 13 2015 08:34 DarthPunk wrote:
GreyMist

On December 13 2015 03:20 GreYMisT wrote:
On December 13 2015 00:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Rels i have a really hard time understanding your thought process atm so could you walk me through it.
There are a couple of things:

1) Your read on Greymist. I actually find it one of the weirdest things in this game that he does not have any sort of read on me. Before your posts two of the three people posting in this game besides him and me have stated they have a townread on me. What i would think Greymist would do is to either agree with the read, or disagree with the read (let it be null/scum for him then). Instead he doesn't do any of this. I consider myself the most vocal person in this game so far besides Damdred --> i would think people would have at least some opinion on me. Apparently you do aswell now, everyone else who has posted (after our morning) does, why is it not weird for you that Greymist doesn't?

(that goes to Greymist aswell, i would like to hear an explanation to this)

2) Your read on RtaniSoul. You think they are second likely to be mafia (calling marv mafia here is just straight out bullshit), based on the fact all they did is call your #1 scumread scum?!?!?! How on earth does this make any sense at all?

3) Why is your vote on someone you can't possibly have any read on instead on someone who you DO apparently have a read on, and you legitmately, based on you, think is mafia?


I don't have time at the moment to post any follow up analysis, so I will only answer the question directed at me.

I did not include any thoughts on you, Ryan, in part because you have been vocal. There is a little more for me to have to figure out and I'd like to not post a read on you until I have.

It's going to be a couple more hours still before I'm able to actually post a lot again, but I promise I'm reading and can interject if need be.


This smells like bullshit to me.

It's true it sounds like a bad excuse.


That agreement with DP at the end strikes me as really weird, but I dont know why. Maybe its becuase its really just meaningless, he doesnt use the time or space to push me or ask a question, and there really is no followup along this line from him.

and then there is a possible overreaction becuase i mentioned his name in this post:

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On December 13 2015 19:43 Rels wrote:
On December 13 2015 08:32 DarthPunk wrote:
Rayn
I guess you would call this a 'tone' read or whatever, but I am pretty darn good at spotting a townie rayn and alot of what he says makes sense. HIs damdred read was godlike and hard to fake as I have said earlier. His questioning of Rels was also good in that it showed one of the tendencies that I can recall rayn having. That being that he loves to really comb through the things people are saying in order to find small inconsistencies or breakdowns of a normal thought Process.

But you don't have a read on Damdred after saying rayn's read is godlike ?
On December 13 2015 08:34 DarthPunk wrote:
GreyMist

On December 13 2015 03:20 GreYMisT wrote:
On December 13 2015 00:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Rels i have a really hard time understanding your thought process atm so could you walk me through it.
There are a couple of things:

1) Your read on Greymist. I actually find it one of the weirdest things in this game that he does not have any sort of read on me. Before your posts two of the three people posting in this game besides him and me have stated they have a townread on me. What i would think Greymist would do is to either agree with the read, or disagree with the read (let it be null/scum for him then). Instead he doesn't do any of this. I consider myself the most vocal person in this game so far besides Damdred --> i would think people would have at least some opinion on me. Apparently you do aswell now, everyone else who has posted (after our morning) does, why is it not weird for you that Greymist doesn't?

(that goes to Greymist aswell, i would like to hear an explanation to this)

2) Your read on RtaniSoul. You think they are second likely to be mafia (calling marv mafia here is just straight out bullshit), based on the fact all they did is call your #1 scumread scum?!?!?! How on earth does this make any sense at all?

3) Why is your vote on someone you can't possibly have any read on instead on someone who you DO apparently have a read on, and you legitmately, based on you, think is mafia?


I don't have time at the moment to post any follow up analysis, so I will only answer the question directed at me.

I did not include any thoughts on you, Ryan, in part because you have been vocal. There is a little more for me to have to figure out and I'd like to not post a read on you until I have.

It's going to be a couple more hours still before I'm able to actually post a lot again, but I promise I'm reading and can interject if need be.


This smells like bullshit to me.

It's true it sounds like a bad excuse.


prompting him to 3rd party defend rayn. maybe im reaching but I'd be ok with a rels lynch if thats the play.



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Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 14 2015 17:15 GMT
#424
On December 15 2015 02:11 GreYMisT wrote:
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On December 14 2015 05:46 GreYMisT wrote:
I found 2 things about rels. first this post sticks out to me:

On December 13 2015 19:43 Rels wrote:
On December 13 2015 08:32 DarthPunk wrote:
Rayn
I guess you would call this a 'tone' read or whatever, but I am pretty darn good at spotting a townie rayn and alot of what he says makes sense. HIs damdred read was godlike and hard to fake as I have said earlier. His questioning of Rels was also good in that it showed one of the tendencies that I can recall rayn having. That being that he loves to really comb through the things people are saying in order to find small inconsistencies or breakdowns of a normal thought Process.

But you don't have a read on Damdred after saying rayn's read is godlike ?
On December 13 2015 08:34 DarthPunk wrote:
GreyMist

On December 13 2015 03:20 GreYMisT wrote:
On December 13 2015 00:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Rels i have a really hard time understanding your thought process atm so could you walk me through it.
There are a couple of things:

1) Your read on Greymist. I actually find it one of the weirdest things in this game that he does not have any sort of read on me. Before your posts two of the three people posting in this game besides him and me have stated they have a townread on me. What i would think Greymist would do is to either agree with the read, or disagree with the read (let it be null/scum for him then). Instead he doesn't do any of this. I consider myself the most vocal person in this game so far besides Damdred --> i would think people would have at least some opinion on me. Apparently you do aswell now, everyone else who has posted (after our morning) does, why is it not weird for you that Greymist doesn't?

(that goes to Greymist aswell, i would like to hear an explanation to this)

2) Your read on RtaniSoul. You think they are second likely to be mafia (calling marv mafia here is just straight out bullshit), based on the fact all they did is call your #1 scumread scum?!?!?! How on earth does this make any sense at all?

3) Why is your vote on someone you can't possibly have any read on instead on someone who you DO apparently have a read on, and you legitmately, based on you, think is mafia?


I don't have time at the moment to post any follow up analysis, so I will only answer the question directed at me.

I did not include any thoughts on you, Ryan, in part because you have been vocal. There is a little more for me to have to figure out and I'd like to not post a read on you until I have.

It's going to be a couple more hours still before I'm able to actually post a lot again, but I promise I'm reading and can interject if need be.


This smells like bullshit to me.

It's true it sounds like a bad excuse.


That agreement with DP at the end strikes me as really weird, but I dont know why. Maybe its becuase its really just meaningless, he doesnt use the time or space to push me or ask a question, and there really is no followup along this line from him.

and then there is a possible overreaction becuase i mentioned his name in this post:

On December 13 2015 19:43 Rels wrote:
On December 13 2015 08:32 DarthPunk wrote:
Rayn
I guess you would call this a 'tone' read or whatever, but I am pretty darn good at spotting a townie rayn and alot of what he says makes sense. HIs damdred read was godlike and hard to fake as I have said earlier. His questioning of Rels was also good in that it showed one of the tendencies that I can recall rayn having. That being that he loves to really comb through the things people are saying in order to find small inconsistencies or breakdowns of a normal thought Process.

But you don't have a read on Damdred after saying rayn's read is godlike ?
On December 13 2015 08:34 DarthPunk wrote:
GreyMist

On December 13 2015 03:20 GreYMisT wrote:
On December 13 2015 00:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Rels i have a really hard time understanding your thought process atm so could you walk me through it.
There are a couple of things:

1) Your read on Greymist. I actually find it one of the weirdest things in this game that he does not have any sort of read on me. Before your posts two of the three people posting in this game besides him and me have stated they have a townread on me. What i would think Greymist would do is to either agree with the read, or disagree with the read (let it be null/scum for him then). Instead he doesn't do any of this. I consider myself the most vocal person in this game so far besides Damdred --> i would think people would have at least some opinion on me. Apparently you do aswell now, everyone else who has posted (after our morning) does, why is it not weird for you that Greymist doesn't?

(that goes to Greymist aswell, i would like to hear an explanation to this)

2) Your read on RtaniSoul. You think they are second likely to be mafia (calling marv mafia here is just straight out bullshit), based on the fact all they did is call your #1 scumread scum?!?!?! How on earth does this make any sense at all?

3) Why is your vote on someone you can't possibly have any read on instead on someone who you DO apparently have a read on, and you legitmately, based on you, think is mafia?


I don't have time at the moment to post any follow up analysis, so I will only answer the question directed at me.

I did not include any thoughts on you, Ryan, in part because you have been vocal. There is a little more for me to have to figure out and I'd like to not post a read on you until I have.

It's going to be a couple more hours still before I'm able to actually post a lot again, but I promise I'm reading and can interject if need be.


This smells like bullshit to me.

It's true it sounds like a bad excuse.


prompting him to 3rd party defend rayn. maybe im reaching but I'd be ok with a rels lynch if thats the play.




OK so you said: "and then there is a possible overreaction becuase GM mentioned Rels name in this post:"
BUT IN THE POST I QUOTES THERE IS NO MENTION OF ME, HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THAT ?
On December 13 2015 03:20 GreYMisT wrote:
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On December 13 2015 00:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Rels i have a really hard time understanding your thought process atm so could you walk me through it.
There are a couple of things:

1) Your read on Greymist. I actually find it one of the weirdest things in this game that he does not have any sort of read on me. Before your posts two of the three people posting in this game besides him and me have stated they have a townread on me. What i would think Greymist would do is to either agree with the read, or disagree with the read (let it be null/scum for him then). Instead he doesn't do any of this. I consider myself the most vocal person in this game so far besides Damdred --> i would think people would have at least some opinion on me. Apparently you do aswell now, everyone else who has posted (after our morning) does, why is it not weird for you that Greymist doesn't?

(that goes to Greymist aswell, i would like to hear an explanation to this)

2) Your read on RtaniSoul. You think they are second likely to be mafia (calling marv mafia here is just straight out bullshit), based on the fact all they did is call your #1 scumread scum?!?!?! How on earth does this make any sense at all?

3) Why is your vote on someone you can't possibly have any read on instead on someone who you DO apparently have a read on, and you legitmately, based on you, think is mafia?


I don't have time at the moment to post any follow up analysis, so I will only answer the question directed at me.

I did not include any thoughts on you, Ryan, in part because you have been vocal. There is a little more for me to have to figure out and I'd like to not post a read on you until I have.

It's going to be a couple more hours still before I'm able to actually post a lot again, but I promise I'm reading and can interject if need be.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 14 2015 17:16 GMT
#425
Gone for real now.
GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
December 14 2015 17:19 GMT
#426
thats not the post, this is:

On December 13 2015 09:36 GreYMisT wrote:
while reading, 2 stood out to me as interesting:

The first is in regards to Damdred/Rels. I felt OK about Dam at first, but it struck me as interesting the way he interacted with Rels when Rels votes Marv. He asks why Rels is policy voting someone when he has a scum read on someone else, a sentiment I have no real issue with. What strikes me as strange is the way Dam seems to play up what Rels is doing as a weird play. The interaction covers most of a page when it seemed like it really didn't need to. I am suspicious of players who have lengthy interactions with others while accomplishing nothing. In addition, after this happens, DP essentially does the exact same thing and yet no reaction from Damdred. This strikes me as odd and I'd like to hear damdred's thoights about DP's vote placement.

The second thing is Ryan's long awaited analysis of himself, not to be one who disappoints: I am slightly suspicious of Ryan. Here is my reasoning:

First I will say that, while I find some conduct of Ryan suspicious, this results from inconsistencies in his behavior. I thought a lot of what he was doing seemed towny, however there are a few things that give me pause.

The first has occurred recently- forgive me for not quoting at the moment - when Ryan said he was sure that there could not be scum between DP/Hydra/ and Rels And was "certain" there was scum between myself and Marv. To begin, I don't like when people categorize like this. I feel like it benefits mafia to arbitrarily put people into categories to empose their viewpoint on the town. That isn't the main reason I didn't like the post, however.

The problem I have is his sudden change in conviction. Notice before this post he is just asking my opinion, wanting to know what I think of him (I will address this later below). And then, literally the next post he is certain either I or Marv are scum. Also consider that Marv is a guy who has not been here!You cannot be certain that someone is mafia if they have not posted. So basically, Rayn is saying here that he is certain I am mafia. It is this change in attitude, this certainty, and this hiding of his opinion by including Marv in this pairing that aroused my suspicion.


Finally, I thought back to Ryan's other posts. They all seemed very towny so I thought to myself: "maybe I'm just chainsaw ing Ryan here, creating a read on him out of spite." Then I noticed 2 minor things which makes me think, perhaps, he could be mafia.

First, the way he jumped onto Rels with Damdred seems a bit rushed and oppertunistic to me. As if he is testing the waters to see if he can get something rolling.

Finally, Ryan asking my read of him. This strikes me as odd as well because it appears as though he wants to draw some early fire for an easy opportunity to defend himself through activity. A question like "why didn't you analyze me?!" Has bearing on day 2, but not a quarter into day 1 when information is still being processed.

There are my current thoughts, more to come.

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GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
December 14 2015 17:21 GMT
#427
I was saying that your statement agreeing with darth in regards to the post you just quoted leads you to defend this post that i just quoted. A post in which you were mentioned.

combine that with the basic grammer rules for pronouns and all of your questions should be answered. All caps will not help you get your point across better btw. Just makes it look like you are trying to get a rise out of me
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Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 14 2015 17:49 GMT
#428
Then we get back to this:
On December 15 2015 01:24 Rels wrote:
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On December 15 2015 01:11 GreYMisT wrote:
On December 15 2015 01:04 Rels wrote:
OK if I'm not welcome here I will wait for these to get answers before coming back.
GM I'm waiting for you.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/499921-really-small-mafia-ii?page=17#329 (only the 2nd thing)
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/499921-really-small-mafia-ii?page=18#344
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/499921-really-small-mafia-ii?page=19#365


1) I dont understand the question
2) it looks like you are panicing and not trying to actually find scum. A town player in that situation would try to help and get the vote off of him, you said "shut up scum" voted rayn, realized that wasnt happening, and voted off.
3) and I think i might have misquoted as you said. I see it as a 3rd party defense because I posted suspicions of ryan, and you came in and broke down the post instead of waiting to see how rayn would react to it, like I would assume a town would who wants more information.

1. You said that about rayn: First, the way he jumped onto Rels with Damdred seems a bit rushed and oppertunistic to me. As if he is testing the waters to see if he can get something rolling.
Then you said you didn't have a read on me atm. How can rayn be opportunisticly jumping on me if you don't townread me ?
2. OK.
3. That is a problem. You mentionned that you misread a rayn's post here, and thus all this part of your attack on rayn was bad:
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On December 14 2015 02:06 GreYMisT wrote:
On December 13 2015 18:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 13 2015 09:36 GreYMisT wrote:
First I will say that, while I find some conduct of Ryan suspicious, this results from inconsistencies in his behavior. I thought a lot of what he was doing seemed towny, however there are a few things that give me pause.

The first has occurred recently- forgive me for not quoting at the moment - when Ryan said he was sure that there could not be scum between DP/Hydra/ and Rels And was "certain" there was scum between myself and Marv. To begin, I don't like when people categorize like this. I feel like it benefits mafia to arbitrarily put people into categories to empose their viewpoint on the town. That isn't the main reason I didn't like the post, however.

I never said there could not be scum between them. I said i think there is no way BOTH of the scum are between them. I provided analysis on why i reached to the conclusion. I am not arbitary putting people into categories, if you think my analysis is incorrect, please argue about why they are incorrect instead of just creating a narrative on the conclusion.

The problem I have is his sudden change in conviction. Notice before this post he is just asking my opinion, wanting to know what I think of him (I will address this later below). And then, literally the next post he is certain either I or Marv are scum. Also consider that Marv is a guy who has not been here!You cannot be certain that someone is mafia if they have not posted. So basically, Rayn is saying here that he is certain I am mafia. It is this change in attitude, this certainty, and this hiding of his opinion by including Marv in this pairing that aroused my suspicion.

I am not saying it is certain you are mafia. In fact i am far more sure of marv being scum at this point based purely on the fact that he well knows the game has started and has decided to not post anything at all. The conclusion that at least one of you / marv has to be mafia for me is completely logical based on the analysis on other people -- basically it is due to PoE. Again, if you do not agree with this, please point out where i am wrong in my analysis. Then we have something to argue about.

Tbf, you can't just say something is scummy / wrong without actually explaining why it is that way. I feel like i have provided my thought process behind every conclusion i have made in this game -- so it would only be natural for you to actually try to disprove my conclusions if you attack my arguments, no?

Finally, I thought back to Ryan's other posts. They all seemed very towny so I thought to myself: "maybe I'm just chainsaw ing Ryan here, creating a read on him out of spite." Then I noticed 2 minor things which makes me think, perhaps, he could be mafia.

First, the way he jumped onto Rels with Damdred seems a bit rushed and oppertunistic to me. As if he is testing the waters to see if he can get something rolling.

Again, i have already said why i think this is the case. Why is my (and Damdred's) "jump" on Rels "rushed and oppertunistic". I found out Rels' thought process illogical and the things he posted didn't match up with the conclusions he ended up with. I wanted him to elaborate further, and i don't think "that going nowhere" is my fault, since Rels' answer was basically "yeah that's what i think".

Finally, Ryan asking my read of him. This strikes me as odd as well because it appears as though he wants to draw some early fire for an easy opportunity to defend himself through activity. A question like "why didn't you analyze me?!" Has bearing on day 2, but not a quarter into day 1 when information is still being processed.

There are my current thoughts, more to come.

In my opinion this has bearing when you analyze every single other player who has posted that far in the game. I consider it weird because if you are mafia you would either:
1) correctly call me town -- in which case it hinders your mislynch possibilities
2) incorrectly call me mafia -- in which case your logic is not sound in the first place and someone can catch you for it

Furthermore at some point you were saying you didn't have a read on me. But around half of your case (idk.. is this a case?) is based on the timeline when you didn't have a read on me, and is also basically based on everything i did during that time.. How is it possible both of your statements are correct?


1) I missread your first point then, my mistake

2) my issue with your analysis of me being mafia was not the fact that you think so, but the fact you admit it is only based on process of elimination. It is easy for mafia to point out how people are town and then say "well by process of elimination this person has to be mafia." It is far harder for mafia to actually find reasons that a town player is scummy. I like town hunting and using process of elimination to know who to focus on, but that cannot be the main support you have behind someone being scum. At least not on day 1.

3) I didn't go into great detail because I dont think you are for sure scum, just that I was suspicious of some of your actions. If I thought you were the lynch today trust me, there would be much more reasoning. Nevertheless, I thought the reason behind my suspicion was fairly straightforward. Your actions looked to me like a mafia setting up tomorrows misslynch, and not trying to get something done. Thats just what I see.

Finally, I dont really understand what you are saying at the end there, but I only posted on 2 players who I was able to analyize fairly quickly, and saved you for later. I am under no obligation to mention every player in the game when I post about someone but you seem to think that I am, at least about you. I think this is weird. I think this is weird becuase, Town rayn would only care about my opinion of him if he wants to see how I conduct my analysis or wants me to give a bearing on how something has gone in the game. This game had only been going on for a page or two at this point so there was nothing pressing to analyze, not a lot of content that needed commenting on, and its completly understandable that people are gathering their thoughts.

I therefore think it is more likely that scum ryan would want me to analyze him early. A scum player can survive day one by posting a lot, and basically using that presence to get people to townread him early. When I analyzied two players and didnt analyize ryan, a scum ryan would be a bit worried that his plan to be percieved as town through activity has failed to some degree. I see this request to "analyize me!" as a very low risk attempt to get people to town read him. Basically there is a very small benefit to doing this as town, but a low risk and high reward to do it as scum.




Then you attack me on this:
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On December 14 2015 05:46 GreYMisT wrote:
On December 13 2015 19:43 Rels wrote:
On December 13 2015 08:32 DarthPunk wrote:
Rayn
I guess you would call this a 'tone' read or whatever, but I am pretty darn good at spotting a townie rayn and alot of what he says makes sense. HIs damdred read was godlike and hard to fake as I have said earlier. His questioning of Rels was also good in that it showed one of the tendencies that I can recall rayn having. That being that he loves to really comb through the things people are saying in order to find small inconsistencies or breakdowns of a normal thought Process.

But you don't have a read on Damdred after saying rayn's read is godlike ?
On December 13 2015 08:34 DarthPunk wrote:
GreyMist

On December 13 2015 03:20 GreYMisT wrote:
On December 13 2015 00:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Rels i have a really hard time understanding your thought process atm so could you walk me through it.
There are a couple of things:

1) Your read on Greymist. I actually find it one of the weirdest things in this game that he does not have any sort of read on me. Before your posts two of the three people posting in this game besides him and me have stated they have a townread on me. What i would think Greymist would do is to either agree with the read, or disagree with the read (let it be null/scum for him then). Instead he doesn't do any of this. I consider myself the most vocal person in this game so far besides Damdred --> i would think people would have at least some opinion on me. Apparently you do aswell now, everyone else who has posted (after our morning) does, why is it not weird for you that Greymist doesn't?

(that goes to Greymist aswell, i would like to hear an explanation to this)

2) Your read on RtaniSoul. You think they are second likely to be mafia (calling marv mafia here is just straight out bullshit), based on the fact all they did is call your #1 scumread scum?!?!?! How on earth does this make any sense at all?

3) Why is your vote on someone you can't possibly have any read on instead on someone who you DO apparently have a read on, and you legitmately, based on you, think is mafia?


I don't have time at the moment to post any follow up analysis, so I will only answer the question directed at me.

I did not include any thoughts on you, Ryan, in part because you have been vocal. There is a little more for me to have to figure out and I'd like to not post a read on you until I have.

It's going to be a couple more hours still before I'm able to actually post a lot again, but I promise I'm reading and can interject if need be.


This smells like bullshit to me.

It's true it sounds like a bad excuse.


prompting him to 3rd party defend rayn. maybe im reaching but I'd be ok with a rels lynch if thats the play.


Since you admit yourself you misread a post, I don't understand why you think me questionning your logic on attacking rayn is a 3rd party defense rather than me finding something weird on your posts. Do you have an explanation ?

Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 14 2015 17:56 GMT
#429
I'm super lost. I will do something soon. Don't move
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 14 2015 18:07 GMT
#430
Number 1: GM original post on me

I found 2 things about rels. first this post sticks out to me:

On December 13 2015 19:43 Rels wrote:
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On December 13 2015 08:32 DarthPunk wrote:
Rayn
I guess you would call this a 'tone' read or whatever, but I am pretty darn good at spotting a townie rayn and alot of what he says makes sense. HIs damdred read was godlike and hard to fake as I have said earlier. His questioning of Rels was also good in that it showed one of the tendencies that I can recall rayn having. That being that he loves to really comb through the things people are saying in order to find small inconsistencies or breakdowns of a normal thought Process.

But you don't have a read on Damdred after saying rayn's read is godlike ?
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On December 13 2015 08:34 DarthPunk wrote:
GreyMist

On December 13 2015 03:20 GreYMisT wrote:
On December 13 2015 00:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Rels i have a really hard time understanding your thought process atm so could you walk me through it.
There are a couple of things:

1) Your read on Greymist. I actually find it one of the weirdest things in this game that he does not have any sort of read on me. Before your posts two of the three people posting in this game besides him and me have stated they have a townread on me. What i would think Greymist would do is to either agree with the read, or disagree with the read (let it be null/scum for him then). Instead he doesn't do any of this. I consider myself the most vocal person in this game so far besides Damdred --> i would think people would have at least some opinion on me. Apparently you do aswell now, everyone else who has posted (after our morning) does, why is it not weird for you that Greymist doesn't?

(that goes to Greymist aswell, i would like to hear an explanation to this)

2) Your read on RtaniSoul. You think they are second likely to be mafia (calling marv mafia here is just straight out bullshit), based on the fact all they did is call your #1 scumread scum?!?!?! How on earth does this make any sense at all?

3) Why is your vote on someone you can't possibly have any read on instead on someone who you DO apparently have a read on, and you legitmately, based on you, think is mafia?


I don't have time at the moment to post any follow up analysis, so I will only answer the question directed at me.

I did not include any thoughts on you, Ryan, in part because you have been vocal. There is a little more for me to have to figure out and I'd like to not post a read on you until I have.

It's going to be a couple more hours still before I'm able to actually post a lot again, but I promise I'm reading and can interject if need be.


This smells like bullshit to me.

It's true it sounds like a bad excuse.


That agreement with DP at the end strikes me as really weird, but I dont know why. Maybe its becuase its really just meaningless, he doesnt use the time or space to push me or ask a question, and there really is no followup along this line from him.

and then there is a possible overreaction becuase i mentioned his name in this post:

On December 13 2015 19:43 Rels wrote:
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On December 13 2015 08:32 DarthPunk wrote:
Rayn
I guess you would call this a 'tone' read or whatever, but I am pretty darn good at spotting a townie rayn and alot of what he says makes sense. HIs damdred read was godlike and hard to fake as I have said earlier. His questioning of Rels was also good in that it showed one of the tendencies that I can recall rayn having. That being that he loves to really comb through the things people are saying in order to find small inconsistencies or breakdowns of a normal thought Process.

But you don't have a read on Damdred after saying rayn's read is godlike ?
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On December 13 2015 08:34 DarthPunk wrote:
GreyMist

On December 13 2015 03:20 GreYMisT wrote:
On December 13 2015 00:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Rels i have a really hard time understanding your thought process atm so could you walk me through it.
There are a couple of things:

1) Your read on Greymist. I actually find it one of the weirdest things in this game that he does not have any sort of read on me. Before your posts two of the three people posting in this game besides him and me have stated they have a townread on me. What i would think Greymist would do is to either agree with the read, or disagree with the read (let it be null/scum for him then). Instead he doesn't do any of this. I consider myself the most vocal person in this game so far besides Damdred --> i would think people would have at least some opinion on me. Apparently you do aswell now, everyone else who has posted (after our morning) does, why is it not weird for you that Greymist doesn't?

(that goes to Greymist aswell, i would like to hear an explanation to this)

2) Your read on RtaniSoul. You think they are second likely to be mafia (calling marv mafia here is just straight out bullshit), based on the fact all they did is call your #1 scumread scum?!?!?! How on earth does this make any sense at all?

3) Why is your vote on someone you can't possibly have any read on instead on someone who you DO apparently have a read on, and you legitmately, based on you, think is mafia?


I don't have time at the moment to post any follow up analysis, so I will only answer the question directed at me.

I did not include any thoughts on you, Ryan, in part because you have been vocal. There is a little more for me to have to figure out and I'd like to not post a read on you until I have.

It's going to be a couple more hours still before I'm able to actually post a lot again, but I promise I'm reading and can interject if need be.


This smells like bullshit to me.

It's true it sounds like a bad excuse.


prompting him to 3rd party defend rayn. maybe im reaching but I'd be ok with a rels lynch if thats the play.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 14 2015 18:07 GMT
#431
Number 2: GM post with the second quote replaced

I found 2 things about rels. first this post sticks out to me:

On December 13 2015 19:43 Rels wrote:
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On December 13 2015 08:32 DarthPunk wrote:
Rayn
I guess you would call this a 'tone' read or whatever, but I am pretty darn good at spotting a townie rayn and alot of what he says makes sense. HIs damdred read was godlike and hard to fake as I have said earlier. His questioning of Rels was also good in that it showed one of the tendencies that I can recall rayn having. That being that he loves to really comb through the things people are saying in order to find small inconsistencies or breakdowns of a normal thought Process.

But you don't have a read on Damdred after saying rayn's read is godlike ?
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On December 13 2015 08:34 DarthPunk wrote:
GreyMist

On December 13 2015 03:20 GreYMisT wrote:
On December 13 2015 00:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Rels i have a really hard time understanding your thought process atm so could you walk me through it.
There are a couple of things:

1) Your read on Greymist. I actually find it one of the weirdest things in this game that he does not have any sort of read on me. Before your posts two of the three people posting in this game besides him and me have stated they have a townread on me. What i would think Greymist would do is to either agree with the read, or disagree with the read (let it be null/scum for him then). Instead he doesn't do any of this. I consider myself the most vocal person in this game so far besides Damdred --> i would think people would have at least some opinion on me. Apparently you do aswell now, everyone else who has posted (after our morning) does, why is it not weird for you that Greymist doesn't?

(that goes to Greymist aswell, i would like to hear an explanation to this)

2) Your read on RtaniSoul. You think they are second likely to be mafia (calling marv mafia here is just straight out bullshit), based on the fact all they did is call your #1 scumread scum?!?!?! How on earth does this make any sense at all?

3) Why is your vote on someone you can't possibly have any read on instead on someone who you DO apparently have a read on, and you legitmately, based on you, think is mafia?


I don't have time at the moment to post any follow up analysis, so I will only answer the question directed at me.

I did not include any thoughts on you, Ryan, in part because you have been vocal. There is a little more for me to have to figure out and I'd like to not post a read on you until I have.

It's going to be a couple more hours still before I'm able to actually post a lot again, but I promise I'm reading and can interject if need be.


This smells like bullshit to me.

It's true it sounds like a bad excuse.


That agreement with DP at the end strikes me as really weird, but I dont know why. Maybe its becuase its really just meaningless, he doesnt use the time or space to push me or ask a question, and there really is no followup along this line from him.

and then there is a possible overreaction becuase i mentioned his name in this post:

On December 13 2015 19:50 Rels wrote:
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On December 13 2015 09:36 GreYMisT wrote:
while reading, 2 stood out to me as interesting:

The first is in regards to Damdred/Rels. I felt OK about Dam at first, but it struck me as interesting the way he interacted with Rels when Rels votes Marv. He asks why Rels is policy voting someone when he has a scum read on someone else, a sentiment I have no real issue with. What strikes me as strange is the way Dam seems to play up what Rels is doing as a weird play. The interaction covers most of a page when it seemed like it really didn't need to. I am suspicious of players who have lengthy interactions with others while accomplishing nothing. In addition, after this happens, DP essentially does the exact same thing and yet no reaction from Damdred. This strikes me as odd and I'd like to hear damdred's thoights about DP's vote placement.

How is it scum indicative ? I'm one of the scumread of Damdred, it's normal he interrogates me on my actions.

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On December 13 2015 09:36 GreYMisT wrote:
The first has occurred recently- forgive me for not quoting at the moment - when Ryan said he was sure that there could not be scum between DP/Hydra/ and Rels And was "certain" there was scum between myself and Marv. To begin, I don't like when people categorize like this. I feel like it benefits mafia to arbitrarily put people into categories to empose their viewpoint on the town. That isn't the main reason I didn't like the post, however.

On the contrary, I think it's town indicative for rayn to share his thought process. It's only scum indicative if you can point how what he posted is not logical or deserves a scum agenda.

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On December 13 2015 09:36 GreYMisT wrote:
The problem I have is his sudden change in conviction. Notice before this post he is just asking my opinion, wanting to know what I think of him (I will address this later below). And then, literally the next post he is certain either I or Marv are scum. Also consider that Marv is a guy who has not been here!You cannot be certain that someone is mafia if they have not posted. So basically, Rayn is saying here that he is certain I am mafia. It is this change in attitude, this certainty, and this hiding of his opinion by including Marv in this pairing that aroused my suspicion.

He explained why he thought that. Can you point what is wrong or scum with his logic ?

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On December 13 2015 09:36 GreYMisT wrote:
First, the way he jumped onto Rels with Damdred seems a bit rushed and oppertunistic to me. As if he is testing the waters to see if he can get something rolling.

You seem to consider me town since apparently Damdred / rayn attacked me too easily. Why are you townreading me ?


prompting him to 3rd party defend rayn. maybe im reaching but I'd be ok with a rels lynch if thats the play.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 14 2015 18:07 GMT
#432
Number 3: GM post with the second quote replaced by another

I found 2 things about rels. first this post sticks out to me:

On December 13 2015 19:43 Rels wrote:
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On December 13 2015 08:32 DarthPunk wrote:
Rayn
I guess you would call this a 'tone' read or whatever, but I am pretty darn good at spotting a townie rayn and alot of what he says makes sense. HIs damdred read was godlike and hard to fake as I have said earlier. His questioning of Rels was also good in that it showed one of the tendencies that I can recall rayn having. That being that he loves to really comb through the things people are saying in order to find small inconsistencies or breakdowns of a normal thought Process.

But you don't have a read on Damdred after saying rayn's read is godlike ?
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On December 13 2015 08:34 DarthPunk wrote:
GreyMist

On December 13 2015 03:20 GreYMisT wrote:
On December 13 2015 00:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Rels i have a really hard time understanding your thought process atm so could you walk me through it.
There are a couple of things:

1) Your read on Greymist. I actually find it one of the weirdest things in this game that he does not have any sort of read on me. Before your posts two of the three people posting in this game besides him and me have stated they have a townread on me. What i would think Greymist would do is to either agree with the read, or disagree with the read (let it be null/scum for him then). Instead he doesn't do any of this. I consider myself the most vocal person in this game so far besides Damdred --> i would think people would have at least some opinion on me. Apparently you do aswell now, everyone else who has posted (after our morning) does, why is it not weird for you that Greymist doesn't?

(that goes to Greymist aswell, i would like to hear an explanation to this)

2) Your read on RtaniSoul. You think they are second likely to be mafia (calling marv mafia here is just straight out bullshit), based on the fact all they did is call your #1 scumread scum?!?!?! How on earth does this make any sense at all?

3) Why is your vote on someone you can't possibly have any read on instead on someone who you DO apparently have a read on, and you legitmately, based on you, think is mafia?


I don't have time at the moment to post any follow up analysis, so I will only answer the question directed at me.

I did not include any thoughts on you, Ryan, in part because you have been vocal. There is a little more for me to have to figure out and I'd like to not post a read on you until I have.

It's going to be a couple more hours still before I'm able to actually post a lot again, but I promise I'm reading and can interject if need be.


This smells like bullshit to me.

It's true it sounds like a bad excuse.


That agreement with DP at the end strikes me as really weird, but I dont know why. Maybe its becuase its really just meaningless, he doesnt use the time or space to push me or ask a question, and there really is no followup along this line from him.

and then there is a possible overreaction becuase i mentioned his name in this post:

On December 13 2015 09:36 GreYMisT wrote:
while reading, 2 stood out to me as interesting:

The first is in regards to Damdred/Rels. I felt OK about Dam at first, but it struck me as interesting the way he interacted with Rels when Rels votes Marv. He asks why Rels is policy voting someone when he has a scum read on someone else, a sentiment I have no real issue with. What strikes me as strange is the way Dam seems to play up what Rels is doing as a weird play. The interaction covers most of a page when it seemed like it really didn't need to. I am suspicious of players who have lengthy interactions with others while accomplishing nothing. In addition, after this happens, DP essentially does the exact same thing and yet no reaction from Damdred. This strikes me as odd and I'd like to hear damdred's thoights about DP's vote placement.

The second thing is Ryan's long awaited analysis of himself, not to be one who disappoints: I am slightly suspicious of Ryan. Here is my reasoning:

First I will say that, while I find some conduct of Ryan suspicious, this results from inconsistencies in his behavior. I thought a lot of what he was doing seemed towny, however there are a few things that give me pause.

The first has occurred recently- forgive me for not quoting at the moment - when Ryan said he was sure that there could not be scum between DP/Hydra/ and Rels And was "certain" there was scum between myself and Marv. To begin, I don't like when people categorize like this. I feel like it benefits mafia to arbitrarily put people into categories to empose their viewpoint on the town. That isn't the main reason I didn't like the post, however.

The problem I have is his sudden change in conviction. Notice before this post he is just asking my opinion, wanting to know what I think of him (I will address this later below). And then, literally the next post he is certain either I or Marv are scum. Also consider that Marv is a guy who has not been here!You cannot be certain that someone is mafia if they have not posted. So basically, Rayn is saying here that he is certain I am mafia. It is this change in attitude, this certainty, and this hiding of his opinion by including Marv in this pairing that aroused my suspicion.


Finally, I thought back to Ryan's other posts. They all seemed very towny so I thought to myself: "maybe I'm just chainsaw ing Ryan here, creating a read on him out of spite." Then I noticed 2 minor things which makes me think, perhaps, he could be mafia.

First, the way he jumped onto Rels with Damdred seems a bit rushed and oppertunistic to me. As if he is testing the waters to see if he can get something rolling.

Finally, Ryan asking my read of him. This strikes me as odd as well because it appears as though he wants to draw some early fire for an easy opportunity to defend himself through activity. A question like "why didn't you analyze me?!" Has bearing on day 2, but not a quarter into day 1 when information is still being processed.

There are my current thoughts, more to come.


prompting him to 3rd party defend rayn. maybe im reaching but I'd be ok with a rels lynch if thats the play.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 14 2015 18:07 GMT
#433
Which one of the three is the correct one ?
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 14 2015 18:17 GMT
#434
Let me try to clear this up if possible since i don't even know anymore how Rels is trying to say what he is saying.

Greymist, here is what i think Rels is saying.

You said you scumread him for possibly trying to defend me. But you were still using that as a reasoning to scumread Rels after you had been pointed out that the reasoning (posts) where you based the read in the first place was in fact a misread by you. Therefore it would only be logical for you to re-evaluate your read on Rels, and NOT use that (faulty) reasoning to scumread him, because what he did -- or what his intention clearly was -- was actually (based on your own interpretation lately) questioning you for an illogical statement rather than defending me. Why did you do this?

An exaggerated example for the same thing would be if X and Y claimed a doctor. You think X is scum over Y and we lynch X. X flips doctor but you still call Y town because they claimed a doctor.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 14 2015 18:25 GMT
#435
If there is something more then i don't understand you Rels either.

What Greymist said is this:
1) I attacked Greymist
2) Greymist answered and accused me
3) You acted like you were defending me by agreeing with DP about Greymist's post
4) Greymist thought it could be scum indicative for you

Basically there is nothing wrong if you look at only that. Screw all the "who is he in this post", because it is very clear what Greymist was trying to say.

Except for what i just pointed out in my above post.
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Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 14 2015 18:28 GMT
#436
I'm as lost as you. Waiting for gm confirmation on what he meant (did he misquote or not ?) before going further.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 14 2015 18:38 GMT
#437
On December 15 2015 03:28 Rels wrote:
I'm as lost as you. Waiting for gm confirmation on what he meant (did he misquote or not ?) before going further.

So am i correct, is this your problem with him?
Since you admit yourself you misread a post, I don't understand why you think me questionning your logic on attacking rayn is a 3rd party defense rather than me finding something weird on your posts. Do you have an explanation ?
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Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 14 2015 18:39 GMT
#438
On December 15 2015 03:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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On December 15 2015 03:28 Rels wrote:
I'm as lost as you. Waiting for gm confirmation on what he meant (did he misquote or not ?) before going further.

So am i correct, is this your problem with him?
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Since you admit yourself you misread a post, I don't understand why you think me questionning your logic on attacking rayn is a 3rd party defense rather than me finding something weird on your posts. Do you have an explanation ?

Yep. But he said he made a mistake and meant something else since.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 14 2015 18:54 GMT
#439
Okay, so let's see what he says.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 14 2015 19:16 GMT
#440
On December 15 2015 01:46 Damdred wrote:
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On December 15 2015 01:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 15 2015 01:02 Damdred wrote:
Rayn I do have an issue with that greymist part.

He does cast doubt towards Marv, but he drops that doubt pretty quickly even though Marv basically ignored interacting with him.

Also for someone who has doubts about Marv refusing to move back to scum Marv and looking maybe to go elsewhere other than Marv and rels is super strange.

Like if he's doubting Marv why so staunch on rels? It doesn't make sense

Okay Damdred, let me ask you something:
How sure you were when you switched your vote and why, in final you made your choice?


I wasn't 100% sure but in that moment I didn't want to lynch rels I thought about maybe going to gm but I would rather be with my hard tr in that situation.

I did think Marv had an ok chance to flip scum after seeing what you said+looking at his filter bit I was nervous.

You know, i was actually very nervous to switch my vote. I had to go through marv's filter twice to make a decision...
You also sounded, at the time, that you were not sure of him being scum.

So, here's where i am getting at. I don't see Greymist not switching his vote as scummy as you seem to think. Unless i am missing something? I don't necessarily think everyone can see what i saw in marv's filter; especially Greymist, as he didn't agree(?) with my analysis (definitely no more than one mafia in Rels/DP/hydra -- which was the basis of my vote on marv in the end) in the first place. I could totally see him coming to a conclusion that marv is not mafia based on his posting, and therefore refusing to vote for him -- as he had already made up his mind voting for Rels.

So idk, am i missing something here that goes against this line of logic?
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