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Palmar
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Also, no need to get mad, is only a game. | ||
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Cephiro
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It feels like you're taunting me because you're so sure you can get away with it. I just don't want to lose a won game in this manner, even if you've objectively looking played a very good scumgame. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
On September 29 2015 04:43 Cephiro wrote: very good scumgame. aka, towngame. | ||
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ritoky
United States6851 Posts
On September 29 2015 04:38 Damdred wrote: Rit opiuons on the vote wagons d1? idk its a weird feeling between the two I hate being wrong in lylo you all voted for the same person which sux. palmar moved from an afk to jat toward the end which is meh. if palmar + marv are together and both moving votes close to deadline, wouldn't they coordinate to kill jat instead of moosy? even if it gets marv killed i feel like a scum team would rather coordinate to leave moosy in the game as some1 not really playing and being a ML target than JAT who is spamming up a storm. like for palmar to be mafia you have to believe him and marv missed on lynching jat day 1 for moosy AND he didn't shoot scott when he claimed and accepted the claim at face value. i might respect palmar's play too much to believe that. | ||
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ritoky
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
On September 29 2015 04:38 Cephiro wrote: Fuck you Palmar for making this a 1v1 between you and me, you know you basically scumclaimed to me with your posts and you're relying on the fact how well well you've been read and using the time I'm away to discredit me to the extent you can. Nothing, literally nothing I wrote was to discredit you. I simply brought up reasons why I think you're mafia. Feel free to respond with reasons as to why I am wrong. On September 29 2015 04:38 Cephiro wrote: Even now you're saying you haven't properly read my and Damdred's filters which shows how absolutely baffling your approach to the lylo is. I can more than well admit at this point it does seem I was wrong on Damdred, because you're being so obvious right now. I don't lie about what I read and what I didn't read. If I read part of damdred's filter and most of yours and reach a conclusion based on that, my time is better spent arguing for that conclusion. On September 29 2015 04:38 Cephiro wrote: Your bigger post is a textbook scum!Ceph play. It's exactly what I do when I'm scum. You make a case where any ambigious facts are painted as "This is probably the only thing that could be looked in his favour", you ignore all the obvious statements and information that is favourable even though they've been posted so many times it should be clear as day (But not to you, because you don't even fucking read the filters properly, because you're that confident about not needing to), then raising the most convoluted ideas of all time about a point to make it suspicious. Like, I'm scum because I managed to peg onegu as town? Not to mention the multiple instances of "There are clearly more ways for this to be viewed favourably towards Ceph, but I'm going to raise the one and only extremely unlikely possibility which makes him look worse, and make it look like it's the only and obvious possibility." It infuriates me so much to see you do exactly what I do as scum and I don't want you to get away with that. I don't ignore anything, you literally went awol for 70+ hours when the marv thing was happening and you've been trying to claim credit for that lynch. You deserve none. Again, instead of yelling, try to point out what I ignored. And yes I read filters. Stop trying to act like I don't. No one in this game has read every filter word for word. On September 29 2015 04:38 Cephiro wrote: Why the fuck would I concentrate on defending a townie that is barely getting any traction at all and in no way a serious lynch candidate? What the fuck does my town-read on a player that died N1 to a vigshot matter in the remainder of the game? It's the most irrelevant thing in my filter you could be interested in. Because it's a magical read. How about you just explain why you townread him instead of whining about me talking about it. There's only one faction in the game that has magical reads  On September 29 2015 04:38 Cephiro wrote: You say that "if you were Mafia, you would've been 100% content with me lynching Damdred and rolling with it." No, you would never ever have sat on your ass and gone "Oh well, I guess I was wrong / Ceph is right and we'll lynch Damdred today." You know I would have called you out for that even for how sure I was about Dam, because you know that even if I can push someone very hard, I don't blindly tunnel into someone until they die. So obviously you'd go for a more convoluted play, especially as you could use me picking up on you as a point against me, and knowing that you have the higher cred of us two makes that play a no-brainer for you to take. I know how calmly and how often you've rolled well in endgame scenarios as scum. And you knew that only me or jat would pick up on you that hard, but leaving me alive is significantly easier of an 1v1 for you than going vs jat. Give me 3 examples of this. I don't believe they exist. I'm not a particularly good scum player. My general strategy is to buy 2-3 days and then hope I've left no traces to my team (or go for a big play such as having a teammate shoot me). And yes, I absolutely would've done that. On September 29 2015 04:38 Cephiro wrote: Like you've had damdred town all game since the start, and you still claim you've just read the first few pages of his filter. It's like you saw his defense for Wile and decided "I'll just think he's town for the whole game based on this", which is just absurd. You wouldn't lock onto a townread that hard because of such a minor thing if you were town. Not to the extent that you're not considering him an option at 1 mislynch nor at LYLO. If you think I don't make townreads like that based on one little thing then you don't know me at all. And it's not just that. He came out of the gate swinging (which is very unusual for scum). You yourself even called him out on it on day 1 (hey look! I read!). I also liked the way he approached the geript defense. Yes he could be mafia. I'm far more comfortable losing to him than to you. I'm gonna make this a 2 parter because jesus long. If you're town Ceph, your focus should be on convincing me to lynch damdred, not antagonizing me please. | ||
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Cephiro
Finland1934 Posts
I understand more than well enough if you want to respect Palmar's play for that to be unlikely in your opinion, but do think this: If you hold him that high in regard, would he as town have voted jat d1, got his geript mislynch d4, and now push me the way he is doing? Not to mention you can't disagree he hasn't exactly been the cause of correct lynches happening, which if you respect Palmar's ability of play, you should be expecting that to a decent extent at least if you assume he's town. Are you going to hang on those minor points and deduce he's not scum because it would be unlikely for a scum!Palmar to do that, or are you going to take into account similar points regarding town!Palmar that he should've achieved/done but hasn't? Think of it as a whole. | ||
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Damdred
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u got a few things to read it looks like here meh | ||
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ritoky
United States6851 Posts
On September 29 2015 04:57 Cephiro wrote: ritoky, I just want you to realize that you should not think about one single point as something why it's not a possibility. I understand more than well enough if you want to respect Palmar's play for that to be unlikely in your opinion, but do think this: If you hold him that high in regard, would he as town have voted jat d1, got his geript mislynch d4, and now push me the way he is doing? Not to mention you can't disagree he hasn't exactly been the cause of correct lynches happening, which if you respect Palmar's ability of play, you should be expecting that to a decent extent at least if you assume he's town. Are you going to hang on those minor points and deduce he's not scum because it would be unlikely for a scum!Palmar to do that, or are you going to take into account similar points regarding town!Palmar that he should've achieved/done but hasn't? Think of it as a whole. Well I don't think palmar's case on you is unreasonable; which is why I am a little miffed by your response to it. His case is basically: 1) you admit you prefer to bus as mafia 2) you stalled on giving marv reads forever, and when you did he was already dead. 3) you didn't push particularly hard onto mafia i.e. (i prefer wile, but with majority to save self) aka no sign of suicidal level of towniness 4) bizarre onegu read over nothing None of those points seem unreasonable to the point where if I am town that I would think this 100% confirms palmar as mafia and now he must 1v1 me bro. Could palmar just be wrong and town holding onto a dumpster read on damdred? Yes...I don't see how you read that case and say "confirmed mafia". | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
On September 29 2015 04:38 Cephiro wrote: I've also explained multiple times that N1 I did not feel the need to participate because I was going to live through regardless, D2 we had self-claimed Wile by the time I was around, I was not going to die N2 with how much conftown there was around, and I posted my case on D3 when I came around, even if the lynch seemed to be locked at that point. And if I hadn't posted? You would've called even more bullshit on me. It's like, if I didn't post it at all and just voted, I'd be still getting shit about being a pure sheep, and when I do, I get called out for trying to cred. I don't need to get any extra cred for the marv lynch. I know I'm not the main cause who made it happen, but what I've said and what is true that I've been correct about him since the start, and shown that opinion to others very clearly as well, constantly reminding of my intent of wanting to lynch marv. That is something you can't deny no matter how many things you want to ignore. This is the part I have a problem with. No, I do not call people out for sheeping. I actually think sheeping is one of the most underrated skills in mafia. A good sheeping player is very, very valuable to town. But yeah, I don't believe your approach to that was particularly townie. Like I'm just thinking about what I would do. Would I spend the energy to write a long-ass case on someone who is going to get lynched anyway? No I wouldn't. I would never, ever waste my time as town doing something so boring and useless. It makes no sense to me to do that unless you for some reason particularly care about getting town-cred for that lynch. On September 29 2015 04:38 Cephiro wrote: Yeah, I've mentioned multiple times I like to bus as mafia. So do many other players. The thing which me and jat pointed out multiple times (which you again, decide to just fucking ignore), is that while we'd both be completely fine with bussing, we aren't retarded enough to play this game with the goal of "Kill all my scumbuddies before going for town". And that's what you're proposing right now. That I'd go for Wile + marv since the start of the game, with the amount of cred I had at the start of the game? You're not that stupid Palmar. You just have to say that because you're the dirty fucking scum here. You saw how jat flipped town. Go figure which is more likely, that I, who not also had extremely similar timing and reads with jat regarding scum + voted and tried to push Wile on D1, is going flip scum? It's not happening. I've pointed out enough how stupid of a case that is, and you know it. The bus thing was mostly a joke bro. I don't think it's telling one way or the other. On September 29 2015 04:38 Cephiro wrote: There's absolutely no way you're not scum with your read progress and painted case towards me. And this is not OMGUS, even if I know that you will try to paint it as such. Today will be simple rit & dam, you vote for Palmar, or you lose the game. No I'm not painting it as an omgus because if you're somehow not mafia I don't want to lynch you and lose the game. The case isn't painted. I brought up two very specific points, one of which you sort of responded to (you just got mad that I asked about your magical Onegu read). | ||
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Damdred
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I don't get why palmar being wrong makes him scum? D1 lots of people if not all were wrong we had auto lynches 2-3 and it was either me or geript eod 4. One of those he hard town read so its not hard to see why he went the way he did... | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
On September 29 2015 04:57 Cephiro wrote: ritoky, I just want you to realize that you should not think about one single point as something why it's not a possibility. I understand more than well enough if you want to respect Palmar's play for that to be unlikely in your opinion, but do think this: If you hold him that high in regard, would he as town have voted jat d1, got his geript mislynch d4, and now push me the way he is doing? Not to mention you can't disagree he hasn't exactly been the cause of correct lynches happening, which if you respect Palmar's ability of play, you should be expecting that to a decent extent at least if you assume he's town. Are you going to hang on those minor points and deduce he's not scum because it would be unlikely for a scum!Palmar to do that, or are you going to take into account similar points regarding town!Palmar that he should've achieved/done but hasn't? Think of it as a whole. jat's soul was mafia on day 1 tbh so I was right on that. He only became town on day 3. And well, one of the correct lynches was a cop check. I was part of killing marv though. | ||
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ritoky
United States6851 Posts
On September 29 2015 05:00 Damdred wrote: I actually think its worth your time ritoky, like don't be lazy here at eod when I'm asking for your opinion please <<. u got a few things to read it looks like here meh If I go read this, I need you to beat it into me that you're town while I am doing it. Cuz unlike you guys who only have 2 options, I don't know any of your alignments. Make me never want to lynch you ever. Go. | ||
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Damdred
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
On September 29 2015 04:57 Cephiro wrote: Are you going to hang on those minor points and deduce he's not scum because it would be unlikely for a scum!Palmar to do that, or are you going to take into account similar points regarding town!Palmar that he should've achieved/done but hasn't? Specify those points I should've achieved but didn't. | ||
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Palmar
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Palmar
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Damdred
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On September 29 2015 05:07 ritoky wrote: If I go read this, I need you to beat it into me that you're town while I am doing it. Cuz unlike you guys who only have 2 options, I don't know any of your alignments. Make me never want to lynch you ever. Go. If you can't tell I'm town at this point there is literally no hope for you and I have lost hope for you. If you think I'm going to try to pie the whole game d1 and literally leave myself 0 room to maneuver (refusal to switch to onegu or moosey). Try to instigate a lynch on me by refusing to do wor d3. Instead of just fucking off at mylo I pressure both people I'm curious about. I lead a lynch on town jat and butt heads with rayn all the way to eod over who to lynch. Totally tilting at points if you think that's my scum game...idk what to say | ||
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Damdred
15669 Posts
So that's probably not a good point now that I think about it | ||
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ritoky
United States6851 Posts
On September 16 2015 22:47 marvellosity wrote: "never rolled mafia" is not talking about the game of mafia On September 16 2015 23:16 marvellosity wrote: ##unvote ##vote: moosydoosy i'm waiting On September 17 2015 00:22 marvellosity wrote: ffs. this is mindbogglingly stupid. but it kinda seems it's alignment-neutral mindbogglingly stupid. On September 17 2015 00:23 marvellosity wrote: ##unvote ##Vote: Cephiro On September 17 2015 06:23 marvellosity wrote: i'm in ceph's filter atm. On September 17 2015 06:25 marvellosity wrote: ##unvote On September 17 2015 06:27 marvellosity wrote: yes ok, not sure about super towny but i'm definitely getting it. hrmph and then he votes moosy. bonus tidbit of weird posting: On September 17 2015 00:56 marvellosity wrote: I (in my tentative, ignoring Damdred way) agree | ||
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