EPTHere is everything ceph said about marvellosity (every single thing I could find in his filter) up until day 3:
On September 17 2015 03:12 Cephiro wrote:
Still got the last 15 pages or so to go through more in-depth, but I'm getting a fairly good idea of how I'd like to lynch today. Assuming nothing significant to change my mind comes up: Wile > JAT > marv/geript
Still got the last 15 pages or so to go through more in-depth, but I'm getting a fairly good idea of how I'd like to lynch today. Assuming nothing significant to change my mind comes up: Wile > JAT > marv/geript
On September 17 2015 03:30 Cephiro wrote:
Short ver while I'm catching up:
JAT mostly for reasons that have been brought up, as in producing mostly irrelevant content. Sure, he talks and asks stuff but so far it feels like he's being around for the sake of being around.
marv because even though he is "participating", it doesn't seem he's doing enough with the information he goes after. I mean, he asks a lot of questions and posts his opinions, but he doesn't really try to get anything done with it. He could be just trying to get a better read on the game as a whole, but I don't see him pushing for anything strongly enough to get something done. With his post quality and amount, I'd expect him to try to get something done with all the information he's gathering. So far I don't see that happening? If you compare it to your play for example, you have more nonsensical stuff in your filter that's irrelevant than he does, but you're much more actively pressuring your scumreads and trying to get shit done.
geript because half of his posts are absolutely irrelevant to the game, and the remainder feels like the level of I don't give a shit -commitment. As in, he talks about palmar meta like it's somehow significant.
I'm not saying meta is a thing that should never be used, but infuriates me when I see experienced mafia players here using it like "But player X has said hi as town in three games in a row, so if his first post isn't hi he has to be scum".
Seriously? Maybe I don't just understand you veterans metaing each other for the stupidest reasons ever and I'm the idiot, but that's honestly how I feel about most of your "meta" analysis towards each other.
Short ver while I'm catching up:
JAT mostly for reasons that have been brought up, as in producing mostly irrelevant content. Sure, he talks and asks stuff but so far it feels like he's being around for the sake of being around.
marv because even though he is "participating", it doesn't seem he's doing enough with the information he goes after. I mean, he asks a lot of questions and posts his opinions, but he doesn't really try to get anything done with it. He could be just trying to get a better read on the game as a whole, but I don't see him pushing for anything strongly enough to get something done. With his post quality and amount, I'd expect him to try to get something done with all the information he's gathering. So far I don't see that happening? If you compare it to your play for example, you have more nonsensical stuff in your filter that's irrelevant than he does, but you're much more actively pressuring your scumreads and trying to get shit done.
geript because half of his posts are absolutely irrelevant to the game, and the remainder feels like the level of I don't give a shit -commitment. As in, he talks about palmar meta like it's somehow significant.
I'm not saying meta is a thing that should never be used, but infuriates me when I see experienced mafia players here using it like "But player X has said hi as town in three games in a row, so if his first post isn't hi he has to be scum".
Seriously? Maybe I don't just understand you veterans metaing each other for the stupidest reasons ever and I'm the idiot, but that's honestly how I feel about most of your "meta" analysis towards each other.
Here he explains the other people. Sure there is one paragraph about marv on meta thrown in there. This is probably the most substantial thing he wrote on marv.
On September 17 2015 04:52 Cephiro wrote:
Currently writing up about marv. Even if it's not going to get him lynched today, nor might it be the best content, I want to be transparent and share the things about his play that make me suspicious of him at the moment.
Currently writing up about marv. Even if it's not going to get him lynched today, nor might it be the best content, I want to be transparent and share the things about his play that make me suspicious of him at the moment.
Check the date
On September 17 2015 05:15 Cephiro wrote:
Well I guess you're correct that it's not the best thing to do at this moment if I'm not certain it'll get him lynched, which I do doubt. So I'll post my thoughts on marv during the nightcycle when it won't interfere with more important matters at hand, fair point.
Well I guess you're correct that it's not the best thing to do at this moment if I'm not certain it'll get him lynched, which I do doubt. So I'll post my thoughts on marv during the nightcycle when it won't interfere with more important matters at hand, fair point.
Check the date
On September 17 2015 06:03 Cephiro wrote:
I have better things to do than explaining why I'm leaning town on Onegu at this point. I'd prefer him not lynched today, it doesn't look like it's going to happen that easily either. Instead of focusing on why I think onegu is town, you should be focusing on figuring out who you want to consolidate the lynch on.
I didn't give reasoning for saying I think one of Koshi/you are town either, same with Moosy, but you don't seem to be care about that at all. Just forget nitpicking for now and focus on the relevant stuff.
If you want reasons for my townreads, I'll give them later when they're relevant as I said I'd do with my opinion on marv (unless you all actually end up lynching me, which would be quite sad.)
I have better things to do than explaining why I'm leaning town on Onegu at this point. I'd prefer him not lynched today, it doesn't look like it's going to happen that easily either. Instead of focusing on why I think onegu is town, you should be focusing on figuring out who you want to consolidate the lynch on.
I didn't give reasoning for saying I think one of Koshi/you are town either, same with Moosy, but you don't seem to be care about that at all. Just forget nitpicking for now and focus on the relevant stuff.
If you want reasons for my townreads, I'll give them later when they're relevant as I said I'd do with my opinion on marv (unless you all actually end up lynching me, which would be quite sad.)
2 in one post. The townread on Onegu and yet another "I'll maybe talk about marv at some point".
He didn't talk more about marv during that cycle.
On September 19 2015 03:56 Cephiro wrote:
Not planning on getting modkilled, nor do I plan on getting lynched or NK'ed. In the unfortunate case that happens, I won't be flipping red anyway.
##vote Wile E. Coyote
Still do think marv is a good lynch, but not in a hurry to do anything about it since we have "confirmed" scum to kill. I guess I'll post my thoughts on it during the night or later in the daycycle, depending on when I feel like it. (Or unless you people have a specific reason you'd want it any earlier, given that it's not currently very relevant.)
Doubt mafia wants to kill me with my current level of activity, would make sense for them to keep me around to try and push a mislynch on me later.
Someone was also asking about my scum play, whoever that was: I can do pretty much anything as scum (and town too). Bussing is more like a rule, with not bussing being the exception for me. At least when it comes to games where there are at least 3 mafia members. So while I won't mind if you read me favourably based on my voting and actions at the end of D1, you shouldn't think it has to make me town.
Not planning on getting modkilled, nor do I plan on getting lynched or NK'ed. In the unfortunate case that happens, I won't be flipping red anyway.
##vote Wile E. Coyote
Still do think marv is a good lynch, but not in a hurry to do anything about it since we have "confirmed" scum to kill. I guess I'll post my thoughts on it during the night or later in the daycycle, depending on when I feel like it. (Or unless you people have a specific reason you'd want it any earlier, given that it's not currently very relevant.)
Doubt mafia wants to kill me with my current level of activity, would make sense for them to keep me around to try and push a mislynch on me later.
Someone was also asking about my scum play, whoever that was: I can do pretty much anything as scum (and town too). Bussing is more like a rule, with not bussing being the exception for me. At least when it comes to games where there are at least 3 mafia members. So while I won't mind if you read me favourably based on my voting and actions at the end of D1, you shouldn't think it has to make me town.
Ceph explains that he's mafia here because he buses as mafia
Also, more delay on marv.
On September 19 2015 04:15 Cephiro wrote:
Only from your perspective though. Which you'd claim regardless of your alignment. If you want to convince me you're town, you can help me get marv lynched tomorrow.
Only from your perspective though. Which you'd claim regardless of your alignment. If you want to convince me you're town, you can help me get marv lynched tomorrow.
On September 19 2015 05:33 Cephiro wrote:
We lynch Wile, simple as that. Also I'd prefer to stay as a mislynch target for now, so I'm going to stay that way.
You know I want to get marv lynched (tomorrow), that's more than enough for now. You'll get the reasoning in due time. I don't see why I should be around talking about irrelevant stuff meanwhile. First we deal with the matter at hand, and then we move onto the next thing on schedule. I've seen flailing about instead of going for the obvious thing that should be done more than I care to remember.
We lynch Wile, simple as that. Also I'd prefer to stay as a mislynch target for now, so I'm going to stay that way.
You know I want to get marv lynched (tomorrow), that's more than enough for now. You'll get the reasoning in due time. I don't see why I should be around talking about irrelevant stuff meanwhile. First we deal with the matter at hand, and then we move onto the next thing on schedule. I've seen flailing about instead of going for the obvious thing that should be done more than I care to remember.
Ok so here we are. This is the picture I wanted to paint. Up until this part of the game we have a vague idea that ceph wants to lynch marv the day after wile without really expanding on the reasons. The important part here is what happens next. The last post I quoted is the last thing Cephiro posted before going afk for like 70+ hours.
On September 22 2015 19:46 Cephiro wrote:
I'm around now and I'm on pace with the thread, just going to re-read filters and take my time doing so before I post anything of substance. After that I'll stick around for a short moment only. I'm not sure if I can be around during the lynch deadline today, but I'll try to be available. If I'm not able to be around then, I'll be online some hours before the deadline to place my vote. Unless something surprising that I missed before comes up with my filter re-reads, I'm still very keen on voting marv today.
I'm around now and I'm on pace with the thread, just going to re-read filters and take my time doing so before I post anything of substance. After that I'll stick around for a short moment only. I'm not sure if I can be around during the lynch deadline today, but I'll try to be available. If I'm not able to be around then, I'll be online some hours before the deadline to place my vote. Unless something surprising that I missed before comes up with my filter re-reads, I'm still very keen on voting marv today.
This is the next post in line. He posts this one and then drops the case on marv. I'm not gonna quote the entire thing, you can read it here:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24883997
Of course by this point marv is the consensus lynch and everyone basically considers him having claimed mafia. Which is why his case is received with a hint of sarcasm.
On September 22 2015 21:31 justanothertownie wrote:
meh
I think the good points in this post were already made by me earlier and things like the "Palmar doesn't deserve those townreads" are just not alignment indicative. Also the last quoted post is clearly not serious and I don't know how you can miss that.
meh
I think the good points in this post were already made by me earlier and things like the "Palmar doesn't deserve those townreads" are just not alignment indicative. Also the last quoted post is clearly not serious and I don't know how you can miss that.
On September 22 2015 21:47 Palmar wrote:
Cephiro drops hard hitting analysis on the guy we're lynching anyway and isn't even trying to defend himself.
Cephiro drops hard hitting analysis on the guy we're lynching anyway and isn't even trying to defend himself.
So yeah. I think this is very relevant and possibly the best reason to think cephiro is mafia. He took the "right" stance on marv (calling him mafia) without ever pushing or trying to actually act on it, only to hop on the wagon when the train was already half way there with a massive case.
The point of ceph's case cannot be to lynch marv, because all he has to do to lynch marv is just put his vote on him and fuck off, so why did he write a huge case on marv when marv was being lynched anyway? Did he want a piece of the credit pie?
