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As I've already explained before, there have been many instances where I haven't seen it necessary to participate more actively. (For example as I already told, in my opinion there was no point for me to talk about irrelevant stuff when we had scum up for lynch. We deal with that, then move on. I don't mind if some people want to talk about some things as long as they're not trying to derail, but I've learned to prefer getting one thing done at once.)
Other than that, I can't naturally be around the time with varying things in life. I also prefer to concentrate on the game when I have proper time to dive deeper into it and concentrate, rather than joining in for multiple short moments and reading 5 posts every now and then and saying how my mind has changed in 15 minutes and 5 points. If you have the time and the activity required for that, then do so by all means (although I still dislike when people post too often because in those cases there's always so many posts that are absolutely irrelevant.)
I mean if you check the timestamps, you can see I took around 4-5 hours if I recall correctly, just to properly delve into all filters of the remaining relevant players on D3. I recall checking just for fun, and I ended up at a value of approximately 20 seconds spent per post, if not a bit more. I like to actually think about the game, rather than just skim by and take each post as they come. The picture as a whole and the connections between posts and players are usually more interesting and telling.
But that's just how I enjoy my mafia. Sometimes I'm more active, sometimes I'm less active, but I always aim to adjust the level of effort required depending on what needs to be done with the time I have available.
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Three reasons that you should never vote me
1) Effor. Level in a land of dead thread damdred puts the work in and tries to foster talking with questions
2) During points in the game I was unable to control emotions and was quite combative as well with helping antagonize a lynch on myself
3) I didn't bus anyone who flipped scum so far, like what. I went from scum reading wile tontownreading him and never bussed Marv for cred. What kind of world is this we live in if I'm scum.
Its obvious wifom since I know my meta but 2 I can't fake no matter how I try meh.
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1 is kinda bs cuz you and i have both done the thing where we flood the game with activity and effort in LYLO/MYLO and try to effort our way to the win.
but i was seeing how much of your top 3 reasons matched with mine. interesting.
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@Dam:
Can you try to clarify to me how your point #3 is in your favour?
I really don't see how possibly not bussing makes you any more town than bussing. Why would anyone go for a cred bus if they don't need it?
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I'm a notorious hard busser for no reason as scum. I love to do it
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On September 28 2015 13:16 Cephiro wrote:
@Dam:
Can you try to clarify to me how your point #3 is in your favour?
I really don't see how possibly not bussing makes you any more town than bussing. Why would anyone go for a cred bus if they don't need it?
It's one of the reasons I think he might be town as of right now. Still considering, but damdred is like me as scum. He loves to bus @ least 1 teammate if not all of them. Damdred isn't one to sacrifice his position in the game to save his teammates and often he will just plain bury them to further his position in a "town circle". It's a meta thing about how he tends to play mafia from past games.
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On September 28 2015 13:14 ritoky wrote:
1 is kinda bs cuz you and i have both done the thing where we flood the game with activity and effort in LYLO/MYLO and try to effort our way to the win.
but i was seeing how much of your top 3 reasons matched with mine. interesting.
idk even the game where I carried at the end with you and GB it took vivax and Yamato voting me to turn it around a bit and out the effort in
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Well I'd have to take your or someone elses word for it, and considering I don't give a shit about meta in general I will disagree about that being a point in your favour at all. I also think it's a very weak point to bring up, as it's one of the things in your play that is the easiest to abuse when you know your own meta.
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Lol that's like saying I can fake emotions as scum. I doubt I have went an entire game as scum here without hard bussing at some point.
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Well it's pointless to argue this any further so we'll just have to agree to disagree. Emotional play is also easily fakeable, but the general style of your play is even more easily fakeable. I recall that even when I played my first few games of mafia I already disliked all the people who put an over-importance on meta, and basically ignored the inner context of the game and spent all their time comparing someone's play to their other games. Sometimes that might work out, but usually not so much. So what I was about to say, since my first few games I've intentionally played with several styles and levels of activity, just to try and make people understand you can't apply meta to everything, or at least not everyone.
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Anyway my question earlier wasn't about your read now but rather your read yesterday leading to today. You had palmar as pretty hard town then me and geript towards the bottom.
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On September 28 2015 13:25 Damdred wrote:
Anyway my question earlier wasn't about your read now but rather your read yesterday leading to today. You had palmar as pretty hard town then me and geript towards the bottom.
This directed at me?
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EBWOP: On a more relevant note, how are you two feeling about Palmar? I know I want to hear more from him and it would be unfair to bash on him for not being available right now, but the point I raised up earlier is still valid.
He seemed to like delaying reading filters of all of yesterday, and today as well, not to mention while based on his posts he doesn't seem to have the best overall grasp of my / damdred's filter, at the start of the day he sure seemed confident about what he wanted to do..?
Like I have no doubt that he'll show up and post something proper eventually, because he knows more than well enough he will get lynched for it if he doesn't. It's kinda annoying that I probably won't be seeing what he has to say until just before deadline but I guess it can't be helped.
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Palmar has a long filter that is a pain in my ass to read and compare to other games. It is taking me time, which I don't want to devote and making me more grumpy is my current opinion on him.
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On September 28 2015 13:25 Damdred wrote:
Anyway my question earlier wasn't about your read now but rather your read yesterday leading to today. You had palmar as pretty hard town then me and geript towards the bottom.
I'm not really sure how I wasn't clear enough.
I had pegged geript as a small chance of being scum, but I was extremely confident that you're the last scum. Last day I was also extremely confident Palmar is town, because I thought that even with the reasons I've pointed out today, it'd be extremely unlikely for him to be scum.
I was fully prepared to just give you hell today but given the night kill (wifom yes, but still I believe it is more likely to come from Palmar), and his continuance from the attitude of late D4, + his reaction at the start of D5, showing he's completely fine with lynching me without hesitation... like those are things you can't just ignore as much as I want to be sure about my case and read on you last cycle. I still do think logically it is much more likely that you are scum, but the feeling I get from Palmar's play combined with knowing that it's perfectly within Palmar's reach to play like this as scum makes me have to seriously consider that as an option and push it accordingly.
If we assume a situation where you're town and Palmar is scum, and I had gone for this last day with the attitude of "I don't give a fuck about anything I will hardtunnel Damdred until the end", then the game would be 100% lost before the day even started. I'm just considering all possibilities and doing my best to arrive at the conclusion to stop this retarded throw which began with yesterday's geript lynch.
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Nah towards ceph really he pretty hard town read palmar yesterday I understand about putting things off though, but its also weekend meh.
I've read palmars filter like 3 times, he is really clean is one way to pit it. And I put a few questions to him. He pushed Marv at a good time when he could of pushed me or let it go (which is nai). Few other things, bit there is some suspicion.
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But he just answered which I will read
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endgame as town with 0 vote logic support is the struggle bus for me D:
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cuz i was kinda down on cephiro after he over-answered the living shit out of a simple question i asked him. but then he goes and has the same thought i had about palmar in regards to talking to ceph about the damdred lynch like he is town, calling the points in the case good -> only town thing, lynch ceph? just kinda a jarring moment. after being wrong on geript his first reaction is lynch ceph not, "well, i was wrong, maybe i should reconsider damdred too."
now i kinda like ceph again. bleh.
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Well here's the thing, if its palmar this is where we are at.
1) no mafia were up for lynch d1.
2) Palmar doesn't care who he kills hat is the biggest threat up for lynch. Damdred takes the heat for leading the lynch, jat deserved the lynch at that point.
3) Doesn't matter moosey is lynched anyway a light tr of palmar
4) next two days are basically become afk lynches
5) Geeipt was predetermined lynch sorta afk but an understandable lynch
Ceph arguably has the best voting logic to be scum with how wagosn moved.
Its a mess with voyes
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