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Cephiro
Profile Joined May 2011
Finland1934 Posts
September 28 2015 20:13 GMT
#3261
On September 29 2015 04:54 Palmar wrote:
Nothing, literally nothing I wrote was to discredit you. I simply brought up reasons why I think you're mafia. Feel free to respond with reasons as to why I am wrong.


I did bring up the reasons. You can't deny you're not trying to discredit me, when you ignore the reasons I've posted several, several times already, bringing up points that I've adressed multiple times again and again. But you keep ignoring those. You're not making your case objectively at all, you're making it from a "Ceph is scum" mindset. As in, you're only picking up any point you can twist against me, and ignoring any point in my favour. (And again, ignoring the fact I've addressed most of your points multiple times, but you keep bringing them up again while not regarding my defense towards those at all.)

On September 29 2015 04:54 Palmar wrote:
I don't lie about what I read and what I didn't read. If I read part of damdred's filter and most of yours and reach a conclusion based on that, my time is better spent arguing for that conclusion.


And how are your conclusions based on imperfect information any useful? The more you ignore of the big picture the more likely you are wrong. You can't deny that. And you'd care more about that if you were town, because as already shown, you've been wrong in this game as much as you'd like to trust yourself. If you truly wanted town to win, you'd put a proper effort in re-evaluating things after how yesterday went. But you're not doing so.

On September 29 2015 04:54 Palmar wrote:
I don't ignore anything, you literally went awol for 70+ hours when the marv thing was happening and you've been trying to claim credit for that lynch. You deserve none. Again, instead of yelling, try to point out what I ignored.

And yes I read filters. Stop trying to act like I don't. No one in this game has read every filter word for word.

And this also where you're painting things. I have not claimed I was the reason marv got lynched. I had my part in it as a voter just as anyone else. I've pointed out multiple times (among other things you intentionally keep ignoring), that even while I wasn't the main reason marv got lynched, I've been correct on him and pointed towards him, as well as making it clear I want to lynch him way before almost everyone else in this game (with the exception of jat), and I've stuck to that read for the whole game since I picked up upon it. If I don't deserve "any credit" for being correct on marv, then you sure as fuck don't deserve it the slightest bit either.

On September 29 2015 04:54 Palmar wrote:
Because it's a magical read. How about you just explain why you townread him instead of whining about me talking about it.

There's only one faction in the game that has magical reads


Like all the townreads you've never bothered to explain? Yeah, I guess you're scum then
Or your extraordinary reasoning about how you're correct on someone. "It's a town that I didn't lynch." Of course you wouldn't be lynching all the townies, you're shooting half of them. You can't claim being "correct on a townread" when you didn't lynch someone who was never a lynch target (re: scott).

On September 29 2015 04:54 Palmar wrote:
Give me 3 examples of this. I don't believe they exist. I'm not a particularly good scum player. My general strategy is to buy 2-3 days and then hope I've left no traces to my team (or go for a big play such as having a teammate shoot me).

And yes, I absolutely would've done that.

Don't have the time to dig up on old games for quotes at this point, but even in voice mafia not too long ago when you were scum with me in the same team and we two others got out of it early on, you almost managed to solocarry it through, only losing at lylo. So don't say you're not capable of that. You've done it before. And you had no traces onto your team then either, as you don't have now.


On September 29 2015 04:54 Palmar wrote:
If you think I don't make townreads like that based on one little thing then you don't know me at all. And it's not just that. He came out of the gate swinging (which is very unusual for scum). You yourself even called him out on it on day 1 (hey look! I read!). I also liked the way he approached the geript defense.


You might be able to make initial townreads based on small things, but you would not stick to something like that for a whole game.

On September 29 2015 04:54 Palmar wrote:
If you're town Ceph, your focus should be on convincing me to lynch damdred, not antagonizing me please.


I'm not antagonizing you. You're the last scum remaining, and to win I have to get to you lynched no matter what.
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
September 28 2015 20:13 GMT
#3262
On September 29 2015 05:08 Palmar wrote:
like if anything, my filter length is confirmed town territory for me, so there's that.


I checked that, you've done 19 before as scum so not quite enough to put you into conf town territory. Within the margin of error.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
September 28 2015 20:14 GMT
#3263
On September 29 2015 05:11 Damdred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2015 05:07 ritoky wrote:
On September 29 2015 05:00 Damdred wrote:
I actually think its worth your time ritoky, like don't be lazy here at eod when I'm asking for your opinion please <<.

u got a few things to read it looks like here meh


If I go read this, I need you to beat it into me that you're town while I am doing it. Cuz unlike you guys who only have 2 options, I don't know any of your alignments. Make me never want to lynch you ever. Go.


If you can't tell I'm town at this point there is literally no hope for you and I have lost hope for you.

If you think I'm going to try to pie the whole game d1 and literally leave myself 0 room to maneuver (refusal to switch to onegu or moosey).
Try to instigate a lynch on me by refusing to do wor d3.
Instead of just fucking off at mylo I pressure both people I'm curious about.
I lead a lynch on town jat and butt heads with rayn all the way to eod over who to lynch.
Totally tilting at points

if you think that's my scum game...idk what to say

I'd not be unhappy at all if you decided to just write a massive case for yourself being town.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
September 28 2015 20:16 GMT
#3264
On September 29 2015 05:13 Cephiro wrote:
Like all the townreads you've never bothered to explain? Yeah, I guess you're scum then

Examples please.
Computer says mafia
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
September 28 2015 20:18 GMT
#3265
Ceph can you just explain why you town read onegu?
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
September 28 2015 20:19 GMT
#3266
On September 29 2015 05:18 Damdred wrote:
Ceph can you just explain why you town read onegu?

it's easier to yell stuff without backing anything up.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
September 28 2015 20:19 GMT
#3267
On September 29 2015 05:13 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2015 05:08 Palmar wrote:
like if anything, my filter length is confirmed town territory for me, so there's that.


I checked that, you've done 19 before as scum so not quite enough to put you into conf town territory. Within the margin of error.

which game? (I'm just curious)
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
September 28 2015 20:21 GMT
#3268
On September 29 2015 05:13 Cephiro wrote:
Don't have the time to dig up on old games for quotes at this point, but even in voice mafia not too long ago when you were scum with me in the same team and we two others got out of it early on, you almost managed to solocarry it through, only losing at lylo. So don't say you're not capable of that. You've done it before. And you had no traces onto your team then either, as you don't have now.

I am absolutely capable of it, I just haven't really done it in forum mafia.

That's not the point, the point is you keep saying generalized things like that that simply aren't true.
Computer says mafia
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
September 28 2015 20:23 GMT
#3269
On September 29 2015 05:19 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2015 05:13 ritoky wrote:
On September 29 2015 05:08 Palmar wrote:
like if anything, my filter length is confirmed town territory for me, so there's that.


I checked that, you've done 19 before as scum so not quite enough to put you into conf town territory. Within the margin of error.

which game? (I'm just curious)


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“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
Cephiro
Profile Joined May 2011
Finland1934 Posts
September 28 2015 20:25 GMT
#3270
My Onegu read was an earlygame read where I felt based on the overall tone of his posts he was more likely to be town than scum. I don't remember him that well, but I recall playing with him before and being very high-post count but not achieve-much style of person that gets mislynched a fair bit.

While most of his posts weren't very useful (which could be said for many others), he had a few reasonable posts which pointed towards him actually trying to think about the game, which made me lean town on him early on.

If you expect something magical and more accurate, you're stupid. With his amount of posts and content, there's not really much to go by with. I was correct on him, it doesn't make me mafia if others weren't pegging him as town.

Like seriously, you should see how many times you've called me mafia this game for being "too correct". It's fucking absurd.
Cephiro
Profile Joined May 2011
Finland1934 Posts
September 28 2015 20:27 GMT
#3271
Also re: Palmar:

I had no intention of wanting to 1v1 you, but with how you pushed your "case" on me, I just don't see how you could not be scum. And if I want to win, I have to lynch scum. Thus I have no other option than try and get you lynched.

If I was mafia, I could've concentrated on pushing Dam much more than I have. But I'm going with what I believe to be correct.
Cephiro
Profile Joined May 2011
Finland1934 Posts
September 28 2015 20:29 GMT
#3272
OH THANK GOD. I just realized we have one hour left, I thought we had like 2 minutes left....

Whew. No wonder none of you three weren't more concerned at this point.
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
September 28 2015 20:33 GMT
#3273
Why does palmar making a case on you invalidate your entire read on damdred yesterday?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
September 28 2015 20:38 GMT
#3274
On September 28 2015 14:11 Cephiro wrote:
Like I understand how you're seeing the situation, but you're not thinking of it objectively nor as a whole at all. You're completely focusing on the fact that marv happened to return to the thread late, as far as I recall he unvoted as one of the first things as he returned, and it happened to be on me because he had tried to push / pressure me lightly earlier for my absence. Which he incidentally, keeps up for the whole game.

Fucking mvp scumduo, having a contest who gets the other killed? Especially continuing to do so after Wile is dead?

I'm really starting to get frustrated with your line of thought here, sorry.


at this point in game did you think I was scum?
Cephiro
Profile Joined May 2011
Finland1934 Posts
September 28 2015 20:43 GMT
#3275
It's not "Palmar makes a case on me", it's "The way Palmar played as a whole D3-D4".

As in there are specific actions that point towards a scum!Palmar play rather than a town!Palmar play.

@Damdred: At that point I was more concerned about if I'm being too suspicious of Palmar and wifoming myself.
As in, I was leaning towards Palmar more and more but you were still a viable option.
Couldn't really make it clearer toward either way until Palmar showed up and posted, because the key thing for me was how Palmar would go about his "proper play" of today. (As in when he actually shows up and makes content).

Short ver: I did consider it a fair possibility you might be scum at that point still, but I was leaning towards Palmar more and more as our conversation progressed earlier.
Cephiro
Profile Joined May 2011
Finland1934 Posts
September 28 2015 20:47 GMT
#3276
EBWOP: I obviously mean D4-D5. My mistake. (@ritoky)
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
September 28 2015 20:49 GMT
#3277
On September 29 2015 05:43 Cephiro wrote:
It's not "Palmar makes a case on me", it's "The way Palmar played as a whole D3-D4".

As in there are specific actions that point towards a scum!Palmar play rather than a town!Palmar play.


Assuming you have read his filter, give me 3 examples of why he is scum before yesterday. Like I have said, I also don't understand why you think palmar's case is unreasonable because it is literally just quotes of your play, accurate characterizations, and him explaining why he thinks that is mafia. Like he could be wrong on it making you mafia, but factually his case is fine. Hence why I am having trouble grasping why you dropped a read you desperately wanted everyone to sheep to take a 1v1 me bro stance.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
September 28 2015 20:50 GMT
#3278
This is hard that post and the previous does read like your talking to me like I'm town.

hrmmm
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
September 28 2015 20:51 GMT
#3279
On September 29 2015 05:50 Damdred wrote:
This is hard that post and the previous does read like your talking to me like I'm town.

hrmmm


Would really like to hear your opinion.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
September 28 2015 20:57 GMT
#3280
Palmars case isn't ubreasonable or over reaching, I think its general characterizations that are true.

I think cephs reaction to it has kinda been bad, I think at one point he threatened me last night and thinking it was 80/20 me to palmar but talks to me like I'm town and just acts frustrated with my line of thinking, if someone I think is scum tried to do that I react a bit differently. I think.

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