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plotspot
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On May 25 2015 08:59 plotspot wrote: sure do HAHAHA^^. okay. RIGHT THERE he admits it. HEY ATTENTION, I modified a quoted post from SL, he is not saying "I'm mafia" ok? Search for his original post for the real quote. | ||
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On May 25 2015 09:07 Breshke wrote: Look at the bolded plot. He thinks you are pushing him today. This is what I mean he doesn't read anything Previously I said I thought he was town for D1, but I also said that I will look into his actions N1. I think it's fair that he thinks I will push him D2 about his actions on N1. He thinks I cannot be his partner and when RIGHT NOW I'm in a state of considering looking into him N1. Just a minor thing Breshke, but I do think he read everything. | ||
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On May 25 2015 09:12 sicklucker wrote: I did think plot voted me tho. Someone was asked to vote me then did I sapose it was someone else all new players look the same to me wut? At never a time did I vote you. hmm maybe Breshke is right and you sometimes don't read everything. | ||
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On May 25 2015 09:24 Tictock wrote: Guys SL and plots are probably mafia team. I'm still at work so cant back this up with quotes, but look at how SL and plots defend each other D1, thenthis whole interaction between them today is so wierd. It is the first time they talk to each other all game. Really read. BM if you think I could be scum please reread my posts regarding those two and tell me if I'm wrong. This is why I think you're town TT. I can explain it, but will you believe me? I was relaxing from the stress and SL is the only one with the kind of posting style I can do it with. Posting crap like that with you would be impossible. I say please, please consider that you could be wrong. Please. On May 25 2015 09:31 batsnacks wrote: I'm going to play the asshole and point out that plots' spreadsheet is completely useless. Yes it looks like it took a lot of time and spending a lot of time on the game is townie but the spreadsheet itself is not useful for anything but activity wifom. His reads are not as strong as I would expect for someone who believes they are working some amazing mafia finding tool. And if he didn't believe the spreadsheet were an amazing mafia finding tool why would he spend so much time on it? No biggie, I already know this will be used against me one day if I couldn't draw out the information I hope I could with this effort. The only thing is whether you believe my explanation? I wanted to finish it for D1 as a sort of principle and it's personally fun for me to see how it will look like. Yeah I do see that it doesn't really help me alot and I will probably stop. It's a bit similar to your Iching thing, you posted it and then noticed with the people who answered it you couldn't make something useful with it. You may have thought you'll get into problems if you post some half-assed results so you didn't, but then you got problems with other people pointing out why you weren't consistent and not reading anything from it. Ok, now I'm really off to sleep. See what happens if you post crap in front of confused townies? I should have sticked to my plan and go to sleep immediately. Last post from me till after bedtime. I promise. | ||
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plotspot
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On May 25 2015 14:54 Tictock wrote: Now for my case against plots. Plots has made 2 reads posts, he mentions SL both times. His first read: And his latest read: He highly stresses SL's play in the first 4 hours of the game as showing Just for Fun I'm leaving all the posts SL makes in the first 5 hours of the game. Do you agree with plots read? Are you trying to deliberately read me wrong? I clearly ranged the time from 4h00h to 5h00 (this is p11) where SL dominated the thread with conversation. This was a sign of town slip for me, like Boxerfred town-slipping when he mentions his coaching QT. At never a moment did I say “I stress SL’s play from 0h00 to 4:00” as my ground to read him, but you accuse me of doing that in your bolded part. Why? On May 25 2015 14:54 Tictock wrote: Plots also says he's sold by SL scumleaning Rels. For refference lets look at where SL does that, Now we have plots own reads on Rels. I think it's worth noting he never did give a read on Rel until AFTER he flipped green. Quite an interesting read and an interesting timing on it as well. I've bolded a few of his points he mentions as to why he scums Rel. Do these points sound like anybody else we know? I'm also having a hard time understanding why a townie (a newbie btw) would post this after a green flip. Rels is not going "oh shit we just lost an active town", rather he's saying "yea I woulda shot this dude too, thought he was scum". I also can't help but notice he posts this an hour before he makes his read on SL, like he's making sure he has that statement out there before using it to support a read. His weak town reads on SL are also the start of my association case so keep them in mind. I have more to come, but that feels like enough for one post. There is a simple reason why I posted if AFTER Rels flipped green and it has nothing to do with your wild theories. Time reasons. I originally planned to be finished with the sheet 2 hours or so before EoN, for personal reasons. Then I would prepare my reads and post them. For Rels, who at that time I thought was scum, I had prepared key points the whole day. Notice how they are not fully written sentences. … fast forward… I was done with the sheet plus minus 5 minutes in on EoN. No way I could make a case on Rels before he flipped. And then he flipped green and rekted my plans. No way I was going to make a scumcase on someone just flipping green, so I got these notes out fast, just to say I did have thoughts on Rels (to close it up on him since he’s dead now), though embarrassing it is that my read was wrong. It was not to posture up for the SL read later. It was just naturally that I mentioned Rels in combination with SL because at that time (before EoD1) only he and me thought Rels could flip scum. Also please specify here: “Do these points sound like anybody else we know?” Who do you mean? You pick out 2 points from this list and use it to compare a whole person, ignoring the rest of the points? What is that method? From what I can see you try too hard to read me, without really understanding how I roll, so you’re like ignoring 50% just only picking out the 50% that suits you. | ||
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On May 25 2015 16:04 Tictock wrote: Back to my case on Plots. I quoted his read on Rels before, and pointed out how his reasons for scumming Rels also applied to SL. Course since SL is his scum partner he can't see that. This time I want to emphasis a different part. Plots mentions Dis here... and is using him as an example of town behavior. But wait... Didn't plots Vote to lynch Dis day 1? Now Dis is an example of town behavior? Humm... + Show Spoiler + On May 24 2015 06:49 cakepie wrote: ～ Vote Count ～ scott31337 (6) : Rels, disformation (3) : Barakos, plotspot (1) : Bill Murray, 27ninjabunnies (1) : batsnacks (1) : Bill Murray (0) : boxerfred (0) : Breshke (0) : sicklucker (0) : Sulfurus (0) : Not voting (1) : scott31337 Currently, scott31337 is set to be lynched! The cycle will end at Saturday, May 23 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00), only 10 minutes from this post!!! remain as you are reading this. Remember, voting is mandatory! Place your votes in this thread. If you see any vote out of place, holler at us and we will look into it. Interesting, I guess Dis went from most likely scum to epitomizing town behavior in plots eyes. Ok it’s nice of you trying to read me, but do you have a feeling for time? Get your facts straight out first, maybe? I scumread Dis entirely based on the 6 hours, and I even emphasized it when I made that read. Why did I vote for him? I freakin ran out of time. I posted my first sheet with 6 hours game info 28 hours into D1 and had a hard time catching up. Somewhere between 28hours and EoD (48hours), as I continued with my sheet I was more and more townreading Dis. Why didn’t I bother switching? Because it didn’t matter, as Scott was clearly the lynch that day. This is a kind of philosophy that I know some people do not agree to, they consider voting as some sort of taking stance, even if doesn’t matter to the end result. They probably don’t want to face the shit of others asking them “meh if you think he is town why don’t you switch”. My response: it didn’t matter that time. My read progressed on Dis from scum to town. He is not in danger of getting lynched. It is fine as it is. Do you understand Tictock? Do you understand my reasoning, even if you think it’s strange or don’t agree to this sort of mentality? Can you accept this as some sort of logical sequence and not a ploy of ploy to be deceptive? On May 25 2015 16:04 Tictock wrote: Ok I promised some association stuff. Don't forget I already talked about Plots weak town reads on SL. Guess who else made a weak townread on SL? Hint: + Show Spoiler + On May 22 2015 11:44 scott31337 wrote: Dinner was good and now time to get to work... I'm unsure what to think of BM's early vote, maybe just to get some discussion started? He unvoted though. SL loves to fakeclaim as town. +1 SL has also been rather protective of plots since he(plots) started posting. That seems like quite a bit of defending from SL... Then we get to D2 when they actually interact a little. Bre pointed this out earlier but I'll repost it, The bolded part NEVER HAPPENED. Course SL is willing to just lie about that and he certaintly will never respond to and questions about it, rather plots does it for him. Humm, even if plots thinks SL is town, why is he defending SL here? Shouldn't town!plots go "Hey wait, why is he saying that I'm pushing him when I just townread him" rather than "oh of course my buddy SL was thinking I was going to do this kus of stuff I said earlier" ? Plus there's this weird all too friendly/joking attitude between them starting here. It... feels forced. Like they realized they needed to interact since they've never really poked each other. Doing so in such a joking manner is liable to get overlooked, but it REALLY stuck out to me. I mean plots has never been so active in this game before that page of posts so why is he suddenly so comfortable interacting with SL? Sure they are townreading each other, but this is still way too casual imo. God, how do I handle this chunk? 1. the first time SL defended me: I feel like he isn’t really defending me that much. He is just pointing out the obvious, while he has his active phase in the thread. For you it was not obvious because you were suspicious of me. Besides, Breshke also figured out the obvious. You spun too much from a simple good night post from me. 2. the second time SL “defended” me: I think he is overreacting in his natural way to the effort I made. Do you really think he wouldn’t vote me if he thinks I’m scum? Like he keeps forever to his caption: “never lynch PL never ever”? Do you think SL is that stupid? No possible way it was SL posting strategically for something? 3. “That BOLDED PART never happened”: Yeah because I don’t have the time yet. I haven’t closely looked at him N1 yet. N1 something seemed to have happened why everyone thinks he is scum. As I posted earlier I’m willing to look at it. 4. “Humm, even if plots thinks SL is town, why is he defending SL here? Shouldn't town!plots go "Hey wait, why is he saying that I'm pushing him when I just townread him" rather than "oh of course my buddy SL was thinking I was going to do this kus of stuff I said earlier" ?” You again didn’t get your facts straight. Why would I be saying "Hey wait, why is he saying that I'm pushing him when I just townread him". That would make no sense. I said I was going to look on him closer N1 even though I townread him for D1. He reads it and says he expects me to push him. Why is this illogical? 5. Why did I “defend” him there when he could have resolved it himself: 2 reasons. I was in a posting streak. Plus it was Breshke who raises this point and not some noob. I was sure to correct Breshke as a valuable town member, preventing him from going off. I also corrected Breshke on a point earlier. 6. My joking with SL: I explained about it very clearly here. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24311053 But I see. It’s a mentality problem. You’d never be able to do something like this so most likely you can’t wrap that concept around your head. It wasn’t forced at all. SL was the only one there and I had my fun. On May 25 2015 16:04 Tictock wrote: Last point. Look at plots last reads post one last time... Notice anything missing? Thats right, scum reads. He says Sul and 27nb are "slight scum" but that's it. Then the rest of his posts since are stuff with SL and then nothing... just another townread on me and responds to BS about his charts. This is another person who is very clearly not trying to find scum, in fact he spent more time explaining why he was GOING to scum read a confirmed town than he's spent trying to find scum today. Yeah you probably noticed the reason by now. I was preparing for a scum read on Rels when the results blew up on my face. I wanted still to post some reading results based on the effort I did so far. Naturally containing no scumread. I asked for time to read 27ninjabunnies, Sulfurus, Batsnacks and Barakos. Why does it look like I’m not scum hunting, when I'm still willing to look into others but couldn't just do yet due to time reasons? | ||
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On May 25 2015 18:58 plotspot wrote: Are you trying to deliberately read me wrong? I clearly ranged the time from 4h00h to 5h00 (this is p11) where SL dominated the thread with conversation. This was a sign of town slip for me, like Boxerfred town-slipping when he mentions his coaching QT. At never a moment did I say “I stress SL’s play from 0h00 to 4:00” as my ground to read him, but you accuse me of doing that in your bolded part. Why? This was absolutely not clear from the post I quoted. Please show me the posts SL made that so impressed you. This will avoid me getting confused.[/quote] 1.” This was absolutely not clear from the post I quoted.” Wat? I said the first time: “At around 4 hours into the game he seemed to have an hour where he dominates the thread with conversation” I said the 2nd time: “from his early posts on D1 4 hours into the game”. “from his early posts THAT STARTED on D1 4 hours into the game” Ok the second post is a bit ambiguous whether I mean 04:00+ or I mean 00:00 to 04:00, but if you combine with what I said the first time. I clearly stress on the time from 04:00 to 05:00. What I think funny about this game in general is like some people thinking: “man I’m the king, I’m cryptic, I’m careful, I’m good. But if I catch some scum it’s because he is stupid, makes stupid mistakes I would never do, slips regularly on the easiest logics”. If you applied your logic to me would you make such a stupid mistake and be inconsistent saying one time in the first post and a completely different time in another post? Isn’t it a bit too easy to catch scum like this? 2. Which posts did impress me?: There wasn’t one single post. He had a streak of consecutive posts where he tries to interact with BM, Breshke, Sulfurus and even freakin Scott. I like I said I had the feeling he tries to solve the game, making a bit more effort than “usually” (from what I saw), that’s why I townread him. On May 25 2015 19:10 Tictock wrote: Your right, that part is just me filling in some gaps. Still felt freaking weird how you post all that while also not being convinced that mafia NK'd him. Just don't understand motive as town there. I just bickered with Breshke for some technicalities (it’s Breshke). Minor thing. I did say later that I was pretty sure Rels was mafia NKed. On May 25 2015 19:10 Tictock wrote: The two points I bolded, which you were scumming him for, also apply very strongly to SL. Any opinions? I didn’t scum Rels for these 2 points only, it’s a complete package of the image I had of Rels, and these were only my notes. I wasn’t thinking they would explode on my face, when I posted them just as a closure to how far I got with the Rels read. “giving orders to others” is a really vague term to feast on, like basically anybody asking others to clarify could be giving them orders. It was just something peculiar about his “I like this I like that, you do this, I expect this, you still have to answer this” like some scum letting others do the work while they just observe what to make of it next, that I thought Rels was scum (exactly like jarjarbinks in my NB VII game). Same words but the style doesn’t apply to LS at all. But you cannot read which style I mean by just looking at “giving orders to others”. About the second one “Rels looks like he can handle any sudden change, there is nothing clouding his mind”. This is a bit similar to the first point. Rels looks like some sort of commander handling the battlefield. Not a style I see in LS, he just reacts to you guys, while certainly being strategically in his own way. This style sense is hard to explain. But yeah, I think you shouldn’t read deeper into my notes, as some sort of Jesus has spoken. There is so much more I imply in there which cannot be explained easily, especially if you picked out convenient parts for your case support. LOL Tictock, I can only repeat. Don't tunnel so hard on someone you can't understand yet. Stand back and consider you might be wrong, this will help town, I guarantee you. | ||
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On May 25 2015 19:10 Tictock wrote: This was absolutely not clear from the post I quoted. Please show me the posts SL made that so impressed you. This will avoid me getting confused. 1.” This was absolutely not clear from the post I quoted.” Wat? I said the first time: “At around 4 hours into the game he seemed to have an hour where he dominates the thread with conversation” I said the 2nd time: “from his early posts on D1 4 hours into the game”. “from his early posts THAT STARTED on D1 4 hours into the game” Ok the second post is a bit ambiguous whether I mean 04:00+ or I mean 00:00 to 04:00, but if you combine with what I said the first time. I clearly stress on the time from 04:00 to 05:00. What I think funny about this game in general is like some people thinking: “man I’m the king, I’m cryptic, I’m careful, I’m good. But if I catch some scum it’s because he is stupid, makes stupid mistakes I would never do, slips regularly on the easiest logics”. If you applied your logic to me would you make such a stupid mistake and be inconsistent saying one time in the first post and a completely different time in another post? Isn’t it a bit too easy to catch scum like this? 2. Which posts did impress me?: There wasn’t one single post. He had a streak of consecutive posts where he tries to interact with BM, Breshke, Sulfurus and even freakin Scott. I like I said I had the feeling he tries to solve the game, making a bit more effort than “usually” (from what I saw), that’s why I townread him. On May 25 2015 19:10 Tictock wrote: Your right, that part is just me filling in some gaps. Still felt freaking weird how you post all that while also not being convinced that mafia NK'd him. Just don't understand motive as town there. I just bickered with Breshke for some technicalities (it’s Breshke). Minor thing. I did say later that I was pretty sure Rels was mafia NKed. On May 25 2015 19:10 Tictock wrote: The two points I bolded, which you were scumming him for, also apply very strongly to SL. Any opinions? I didn’t scum Rels for these 2 points only, it’s a complete package of the image I had of Rels, and these were only my notes. I wasn’t thinking they would explode on my face, when I posted them just as a closure to how far I got with the Rels read. “giving orders to others” is a really vague term to feast on, like basically anybody asking others to clarify could be giving them orders. It was just something peculiar about his “I like this I like that, you do this, I expect this, you still have to answer this” like some scum letting others do the work while they just observe what to make of it next, that I thought Rels was scum (exactly like jarjarbinks in my NB VII game). Same words but the style doesn’t apply to LS at all. But you cannot read which style I mean by just looking at “giving orders to others”. About the second one “Rels looks like he can handle any sudden change, there is nothing clouding his mind”. This is a bit similar to the first point. Rels looks like some sort of commander handling the battlefield. Not a style I see in LS, he just reacts to you guys, while certainly being strategically in his own way. This style sense is hard to explain. But yeah, I think you shouldn’t read deeper into my notes, as some sort of Jesus has spoken. There is so much more I imply in there which cannot be explained easily, especially if you picked out convenient parts for your case support. | ||
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On May 25 2015 21:49 Breshke wrote: You too please plot. I feel like you and tictok are going to go round and round in circles with each other like i was with SL. Lets move on for now and see what else we think. Opinions on bunnies/my mini case/anyone else you find interesting? Seconding this motion. I see now in his (TT's) reply that there are certain points leading to why he misread me. And then there are still points I'd like to address. Sorry TT if you feel offended at any points. Certainly I was not addressing you directly with it any of the points you thought I meant you when I said "noobs" or "people think they are king". The first is just highlight the importance of Breshke where I always see the urgency to wipe out misunderstandings, it was purely coincidence that it concerned SL at that time. The second is something I've noticed for a while and used this opportunity to get off my chest: the general tendency of people to apply super safe mechanics for oneself but loose mechanics others. That doesn't make sense: if you (general you) think you'd never let such a mistake catch you, how can you hope to catch someone else for the same mistake? But ok I call it off for now, and move on to the things I really wanted to do. | ||
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Barakos: feels genuine. I believe what he says. He has an alerting but inoffensive way of expressing himself and most (if not all) his posts I can say: “hmm yeah I see the meaning behind it”. A possibly strange point which reinforce my town read on him is that he fantasizes about how scum QT looks like here. For me it’s hard to imagine scum would do that, I mean just for the thought of it at all. But here we have a townie imagining how things went in the scum QT and scott’s case is really a strange one, that leaves me wondering whether he betrayed his mates or whether they knew he had some time issues and just deal with it somehow. Sulfurus: Man I don’t know. I feel like Sulfurus is scummy. The thing is in his few post that he makes, he kinda makes sense. And he also backs it up where he can. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24306259 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24311596 The only thing that nags on me is, for being able to make such cutting posts, he is so lazy, and could actually contribute much more to town if he were to post. The question is why doesn’t he do it? Why isn’t he contributing more to town play with his abilities? Could he actually be mafia? Ok, I’ll think I can give a read on SL later. I said I would read on batsnacks and 27bunnies. I tried to filter-read them and didn’t really get anything worthwile. There are so many unquoted interactions, I better go through thread-reading. Maybe I can get better results there. | ||
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I see SL is getting scumrpoints for some strange suggestions about how to handle Scott’s case to which Barakos and Breshke replied and I would have to agree to their opinion. It’s simply the more plausible way to do things, rather than risking it. Starting here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24308265 Plus Rels posted his 7 reasons on him earlier :http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24308182 Personally, I think the reasoning is a mixed bag. Some understandable points, some arbitrary ones and one misunderstanding (5th reason). I never understood what SL meant when he said “anyway if I flip cop remember I have a green check on barkos”, which can be found here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24310667 Finally I get his “cop cover” thing. That’s interesting and very systematic. At the start of D2, SL starts defending himself, as the votes are casted on him. I started to interact with him and Breshke and BM were also present. It kinda got messy about whether he read my posts, when he announces that “I push him”, which later got me into an argument with Tictock, as I interpreted it wrong. From all this I do get one point: SL isn’t paying attention or being deliberately confusing. For me this is additionally apparent here, when he thought I voted him (not sure whether he means D1 or just recently in D2), when in fact I didn’t: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24310965 BM’s case on SL based involving Scott’s filter: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24310974 After voting each other they unvoted each other because Scott’s filter mentions both of them. I see, it does make sense that Scott should have avoided talking about his scum mates, which gives them both some town points. Tictock’s case on SL contains the 7 points of Rels plus the vig claim controversy and a few other inconsistencies of SL: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24311613 To which SL defends himself lastly with the Scott “spew”. Wow haven’t seen that yesterday, SL kinda gives up with this post, claiming VT: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24311750 Not sure what I should think from that. But he continues saying he has a hard time finding scum: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24311832 After that a few more resignative and whiny posts. That’s a first time I see this behavior from SL LOL Mason QT http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24312415 I guess this is his joke on me joking “SL and I are masons” earlier? Disformation’s interactions for a while with SL starting from here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24312642 he quickly admit’s that he has a hard time reading SL. I didn’t get anything useful from that interaction. Ok to summarize why I used all this. Things about SL are very shifty. He is walking on the edge. Is there any reason for him to do it when he is not scum? Is there a reason anyone who is town deliberately tries to walk on the edge, when he could pose himself to look more towny? Think about it… --- Okay, it's already late, I'm going to sleep. I have collected material about 27ninja from TT's, Breshke's and Disformation's case on him and will analyze it tomorrow. | ||
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Bunnies is scummed for bad reasoning from Tictock here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24309193 and I can definitely see it. It’s like there is no reason at all and on top of it the word “actually” relativates things too. Disinformation scumleaning ninjabunnies with involvement of SL: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24310614 Dis is trying to establish a connection between 27 and SL. The thing that caught my eye here is that he is right about that hard word “shit” used to describe BS’s case on SL. Was that word really necessary or rather a sign of overreaction? Breshke’s case on bunnies starting here with SL joining the conversation: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24311950 She (bunnies) is mainly framed for inconsistencies of scum reading Dis first based on BF being scum too later when her opinions on BF changed to town it doesn’t affect Dis status as scum in her eyes. I mean I can understand that as the game progresses, you can have different reasons. And Breshke indirectly pushes her for a reasoning by asking what SL thinks about it. So far no reply from her to his? SL thinks bunnies is most likely Scotts partner. She shifted the vote of D1 3:2 in favor of dis getting lynched while still maintain the opinion that Scott is a good lynch. He also says her showing up 15 min before EoD is a sign of mafia rather than town, which in my opinion is not as strong as his previous reason. Disformation’s case recaps a few points on bunnies’ case. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24313047 Mainly her inactivity not responing to a few points he asked her. The latest one from Scott (p54): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24315946 supports SL’s case on her from that Scott voting, albeit with more clear reasoning and sequence. The rest is more on her being actually around without doing anything. With all these points together and the epitome of it here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24315717 I can only scumread here: ##vote: 27ninjabunnies | ||
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Boxerfred vs Disformation I understand that the conflict between boxerfred and Disinformation sparked with this post where Dis calls to attention the strange behaviour of BF on voting Scott: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24308711 Boxerfred kinda explodes on him, which gives him more town points in my eyes: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24309466 They kinda trade reasoning for a while before calling it off. In my opinion this was way blown up for just a “what can we see from who voted for scott and when”. But it happens. Like if you counter-quote something for the 5th time the real reasoning can kinda get blurred out like some partnership quarrels. It's not really a big deal. By now they pretty much confirm themselves as town to eachother, iirc? That would support my read about both of them. | ||
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And now let's suppose SL is the SK, how is his shifty behavior good for him as SK, as supposed to just play the safest town game and shoot everybody one after each other? Tictock is your reasoning that if he establishes himself too hard as town, mafia will just kill him? Wouldn't it better then just to scumhunt hard elimating this sort of threat, instead of playing "what am I?" My gut feeling is there is no SK.. I have yet to understand the benefit of stalling kills earlier on when it's the best time for you not to be found out. | ||
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If he makes the NK, ok town knows, but it doesn't change anything. If he doesn't kill, town will still speculate, and it doesn't change their perspective at all. An SK or one more mafia, town doesn't care. SK is only afraid of mafia. In theory, an SK therefore should try to scumhunt hard, but the problem is that it establishes himself as town, and he might get killed. So an SK plays like SL? Never really getting lynched as well as never really establising himself to look town? While he secretly figures out scum and shoots them at night? But wouldn't that provide even more of a reason to do some killing at night? Like if he hits town: "good no night wasted", if he its mafia:"wow I'm good (lucky)". Yeah I know, I kinda overrule and overlap a bit my previous post. But this is more reasoning from me why we don't have SK. | ||
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read my latest thought about it, maybe it clears out your part quoting about me. If not, ask again. I will detail it out. | ||
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"Hey, you see if someone accuses you of being partners with another person, the none of you can make excuses or both of you know it's ridiculous. There nothing in between like one thinks it's true and other thing thinks it's bs. That's quantum mechanics." | ||
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