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Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
September 09 2014 22:47 GMT
#12
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Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
October 07 2014 00:04 GMT
#103
Hey everyone

@loafery I think you are misunderstanding the setup, superbia's link would be good for you to read.
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
October 07 2014 06:25 GMT
#156
sorry guys ive been fairly sick so my sleep routine is all over the place at the moment.

Loafery why did you decide to refer to yourself as confirmed town? I was actually reading you as town until you said this. You shouldn't try to be using yourself misreading the setup to prove you are town it can easily be faked.
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
October 07 2014 11:42 GMT
#170
Superbia you have obviously played with FF before, i know its early but how do you think his game is going so far compared to your last game together?
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
October 07 2014 12:04 GMT
#179
On October 07 2014 20:54 Superbia wrote:
Also abuse & loaf probably both town.


Why do you think loaf is town?
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
October 07 2014 12:54 GMT
#182
So i also just want to get all my thoughts about Loaf down.

At first his dumbtell made me really think he was towny then

On October 07 2014 10:33 loafery wrote:
enough about games i've played on other forums

what are we gonna do about this today, I'm apparently confirmed town we got 3 people here and I'm getting positive vibes from you two so I don't think you two guys are scum nothing really suspicious.


Calling himself confirmed towny really gave off bad vibes.

Also loaf you say most games you played in were complicated having multiple power role setups so do you not read the OP in most of your games to better understand them?

At the end of your post here it seems like you were about to give a read on abuse then kind of didn't. Would you mind teling me your thoughts on him?

Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
October 08 2014 00:29 GMT
#233
On October 08 2014 07:40 loafery wrote:
"This set-up is based off of the Matrix6 setup with added flavor. This is a semi-open set-up meaning that while all of the roles possible will be displayed the number of each role in game is unknown."

for my defense of being noobish I frankly didn't read this part of the OP. My mistake. To be frank, it's my first time playing semi-open or any kind of open setup. It's always been where everyone knows which roles there are and its fixed.

I srsly don't want to bring in external factors to the game and my credibility and what not. If I have to then so be it...

But atm i want to read abuse as scummy for trying so unnaturally hard and tunneling into lynching me.


Do you not agree then that people reading you as town just for misreading the OP could be scummy then? Like this is something that could be faked so i don't see how people can get a town read off that. Also in my opinion not trying to answer questions is scummy because it makes it seem like you have something to hide but I understand there been so much focus on you so there's a lot to answer.

I'm uneasy about superbia and ff saying they both basically disagree with the push on loaf but aren't pushing on anyone themselves. Who are you both scum reading? Who do you think should be a wagon for today?

Also my biggest town at the moment is abuse from his hard push on loaf as he was the first one to actively push his reads and doing this as mafia would majorly put the spotlight on him if loaf gets lynched and happens to flip town.
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
October 08 2014 00:34 GMT
#234
On October 08 2014 09:19 loafery wrote:
Firstly I don't really get what the difference is between calling myself town and confirmed town.

And for abuse to pick up on this and accuse me of being scum seems a little far fetched to me.


From my understanding confirmed town is when you have been checked by a cop and the mod has told them you are town. I can't speak for abuse but you calling yourself confirmed town in my eyes seemed like you were trying to ride off your dumb tell of not knowing the setup don't take yourself off the table for day one which is scummy because you shouldn't be trying to confirm yourself you should be trying to find mafia.


Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
October 08 2014 00:47 GMT
#238
On October 08 2014 09:41 loafery wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2014 09:34 Breshke wrote:
On October 08 2014 09:19 loafery wrote:
Firstly I don't really get what the difference is between calling myself town and confirmed town.

And for abuse to pick up on this and accuse me of being scum seems a little far fetched to me.


From my understanding confirmed town is when you have been checked by a cop and the mod has told them you are town. I can't speak for abuse but you calling yourself confirmed town in my eyes seemed like you were trying to ride off your dumb tell of not knowing the setup don't take yourself off the table for day one which is scummy because you shouldn't be trying to confirm yourself you should be trying to find mafia.




So what your saying is if a mafia is pushing someone for lynch they would be read as town?


No im saying if we all sat here and just said we were town mafia would slowly kill us and they would win. So instead we try and find the mafia and lynch them. Also people pushing lynches gives information after the lynch happens as well so its also good in that way. Of course mafia can push lynches but its the reasons they push lynches for that you have to look at and where they flip there reads and what not.

On October 08 2014 09:25 loafery wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2014 22:11 Superbia wrote:
On October 07 2014 21:04 Breshke wrote:
On October 07 2014 20:54 Superbia wrote:
Also abuse & loaf probably both town.


Why do you think loaf is town?


It's mostly a gut read plus I'm happy with people pushing on him so far, so I'll let you know when it matters.


you are awfully staying in the background and letting others do the work while you just ask questions and try to care about twhats going on. I have a scum read on you right now.


Also i like this post as i was having much the same thoughts so i am reading you town for it.
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
October 08 2014 00:55 GMT
#241
On October 08 2014 09:45 loafery wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2014 09:29 Breshke wrote:
On October 08 2014 07:40 loafery wrote:
"This set-up is based off of the Matrix6 setup with added flavor. This is a semi-open set-up meaning that while all of the roles possible will be displayed the number of each role in game is unknown."

for my defense of being noobish I frankly didn't read this part of the OP. My mistake. To be frank, it's my first time playing semi-open or any kind of open setup. It's always been where everyone knows which roles there are and its fixed.

I srsly don't want to bring in external factors to the game and my credibility and what not. If I have to then so be it...

But atm i want to read abuse as scummy for trying so unnaturally hard and tunneling into lynching me.


Do you not agree then that people reading you as town just for misreading the OP could be scummy then? Like this is something that could be faked so i don't see how people can get a town read off that. Also in my opinion not trying to answer questions is scummy because it makes it seem like you have something to hide but I understand there been so much focus on you so there's a lot to answer.

I'm uneasy about superbia and ff saying they both basically disagree with the push on loaf but aren't pushing on anyone themselves. Who are you both scum reading? Who do you think should be a wagon for today?

Also my biggest town at the moment is abuse from his hard push on loaf as he was the first one to actively push his reads and doing this as mafia would majorly put the spotlight on him if loaf gets lynched and happens to flip town.



How would players reading me as town be scummy?


The reasons they have said you were town, do you agree with them? You say abuse is jumping on small things to call you mafia then on what grounds do you think ff and superbia are calling you town? If you are town wouldn't you be a bit suspicious that when most of the players are of the mindset that you are scum two of them say you are town with hardly any reasoning.
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
October 08 2014 01:03 GMT
#245
ff i'm actually not lumping both of you together in my mind if one of you turns out to be scum I highly doubt the other is as your play has been too similar to begin the day both opposing the push on loaf and not really pushing on anyone else. Having played with eachother before maybe scum ff thinks playing similar to town superbia will make him read you as town and vice versa. This isnt a 100% thing though just something i thought i'd share.
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
October 08 2014 01:44 GMT
#260
I want to try explain something in defense of Zen but i am not reading him as town he is still null for me at the moment.

So he made his wall post about loaf which was basically just sheeping abuse. In my first game im not sure if you remember I basically just sheeped the entire game when I tried to make posts because i was finding it really hard to make content of my own.

On October 07 2014 23:12 Superbia wrote:
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On October 07 2014 23:00 abuse wrote:
On October 07 2014 22:11 Superbia wrote:
On October 07 2014 21:04 Breshke wrote:
On October 07 2014 20:54 Superbia wrote:
Also abuse & loaf probably both town.


Why do you think loaf is town?


It's mostly a gut read plus I'm happy with people pushing on him so far, so I'll let you know when it matters.


tell me what do you think about this post ?


I'm pretty sure all the points he brought up were brought up before. Interested to see what he has to say when he comes back.


This post here is probably the reason why zen then pretends that he read through the thread better and only just saw abuses post. Zen don't do this, its hardly ever good to lie as town especially about stuff like this. If you saw abuses post and agreed with it say that.

I do agree however that non committal reads are not good because they don't give much information. Care to tell us your thoughts on people in particular superbia and loaf.


##Vote: The_Zen_Man
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
October 08 2014 05:51 GMT
#282
Im here Rad, i disagree with you i think lists can be useful as it makes it hard for mafia to leave their partners out of their reads.
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
October 08 2014 05:53 GMT
#283
Also would you care to place a vote on your biggest scum or someone you'd like to pressure or whatever especially if you are sleeping soon i know you will probably be here before EoD but it will probably be useful.
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
October 08 2014 06:02 GMT
#286
what's your current read on abuse?
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
October 08 2014 06:23 GMT
#289
On October 08 2014 15:15 Rad wrote:
Breshke, what are your thoughts about Fecalfeast? Are you satisfied with him parking his vote on zen?


I'm not actually sure like the interaction between superbia and ff about the vote on zen really seems off to me like superbia can just tell ff what to do. He has said he doesnt like to be lumped together with super and then votes along side him without explaining anything. He has posted a lot but has yet to give a scumread of his own and is voting on someone because someone who he has said he doesnt want to be paired with told him to. Looking back on this i think this is very scummy.

##Vote: Fecalfeast
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
October 08 2014 07:06 GMT
#295
On October 08 2014 15:28 Rad wrote:
Btw:

Show nested quote +

If you change your vote, please ##Unvote before posting another vote (can be done in the same post).


So are you saying you don't believe zen is scum now? Or you think fecal's trying to bus zen to gain town cred?


##Unvote

Vote:Fecalfeast

My vote on Zen was more for pressure and his dislike of non committal reads he has made. I feel that for the quantity of your reads you have provided a very little amount of information and you only voted for Zen after superbia made a case on him. It feels like you are just trying to cruise by.

On October 08 2014 15:35 Fecalfeast wrote:
You want to know the post that really made me vote him? It was by superbia, even.

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On October 08 2014 10:16 Superbia wrote:
On October 08 2014 10:09 Fecalfeast wrote:
On October 08 2014 03:51 The_Zen_Man wrote:
On October 08 2014 03:29 Superbia wrote:
On October 08 2014 02:40 The_Zen_Man wrote:As of now loafey is still highest on my scum list but im not sure if he is just a newbie/bad player or scum. Im gonna see more of his posts before I decide to vote for him or not. For now, i will settle with this.]


Mind sharing who else is on your scum list?


Right now the list is just loafey, but this is because other people haven't been as active. As ff said, this game is moving too slow, and that is because people haven't been active at all. We still have players that haven't said anything beyond their first day post, which was not that much.

@Fecalfeast: I think the reason people have gone after loafrey so hard is because there really isn't that much else to go on. His play has been the most scummy like, and that is probably why everyone is going after him. Right now, i really don't have anyone else in mind at all as scum. If someone does find someone else scummy, please share.

Why does this not make you point your FoS (thanks super I was pretending to know what FoS meant) at someone who hopped on the loaf-wagon?

"His play is the most scummy-like"
As implied by him being the only name on your list. What makes his play scummy like to you? Might I guess that your answer will be 'What abuse said but with less conviction?'

On October 08 2014 06:18 The_Zen_Man wrote:
On October 08 2014 06:08 Fecalfeast wrote:
On October 08 2014 05:06 The_Zen_Man wrote:
On October 08 2014 04:44 Superbia wrote:
On October 08 2014 04:36 The_Zen_Man wrote:
On October 08 2014 04:19 Rad wrote:
On October 08 2014 03:51 The_Zen_Man wrote:
Right now, i really don't have anyone else in mind at all as scum. If someone does find someone else scummy, please share.


Isn't that pretty much the only job that town has? To find things that are scummy and pursue them. Any reason you're asking others to do that for you?

You say no one else seems scummy to you, are you suggesting that it's probably loafery or the lurkers that are scum?

Why are you taking the easy route here?


It wasn't meant as others doing it for me, rather that others should contribute. Right now there are like 4 people that has only like 3 posts on this thread. I can't really find mafia if i don't have much to go on. I did as much as i could with the info i had at the time.

No, im saying that i haven't found anything scummy with the people that have posted other than loafrey. That dosen't mean all mafia are either him or the lurkers, just that i have not found anything suspicious about anyone else.

Im not taking any easy route, I have done as much as I can with the given information.


You found out that your arguments were already used by others to push loaf. Do you like the people who pushed on loaf for the same reason?


Yeah, abuse is probably the one that had most of my arguments already written. I do however not share all of abuses opinions and do believe that he is pushing for loaf too hard. I would for instance not vote on him this early, as it is definetly too early to prove that he is a scum. Better to simply do a FoS, as it will give an indicitation of what you think of the person, but not have all dirt throwback that often comes with voting on someone.

What it looks to me like super was really asking is what you think of abuse based on abuse's reads. You say he is pushing a little too hard, why?


Mostly it was because of the vote. But i also think that some of his arguments are a little more hardline than mine. I share most of abuses opinions on loaf, but i think the biggest thing we differ on is the whole loaf asking about roles thing. I really think that loaf was merely confused and asking about the rules when he said we all should claim roles, and I believe him when he says it was like that on another game.


Your reasoning for differing from abuse's opinion is that you believe he misinterpreted the rules. Nobody is using that fact anymore and the basis of abuse's argument is more on how loaf words his posts, not how he read the OP.

I'm still a little gun-shy with voting people like this but you have some things to answer for, zen...


Just vote, you can always retract your vote.

I am waiting for the man to post and you seriously come to the conclusion that I'm the best lynch target? Are you getting nervous or what?



Nervous about what? Why would i be nervous? Why are you so worried about my vote like you quoted
On October 08 2014 10:16 Superbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2014 10:09 Fecalfeast wrote:
On October 08 2014 03:51 The_Zen_Man wrote:
On October 08 2014 03:29 Superbia wrote:
On October 08 2014 02:40 The_Zen_Man wrote:As of now loafey is still highest on my scum list but im not sure if he is just a newbie/bad player or scum. Im gonna see more of his posts before I decide to vote for him or not. For now, i will settle with this.]


Mind sharing who else is on your scum list?


Right now the list is just loafey, but this is because other people haven't been as active. As ff said, this game is moving too slow, and that is because people haven't been active at all. We still have players that haven't said anything beyond their first day post, which was not that much.

@Fecalfeast: I think the reason people have gone after loafrey so hard is because there really isn't that much else to go on. His play has been the most scummy like, and that is probably why everyone is going after him. Right now, i really don't have anyone else in mind at all as scum. If someone does find someone else scummy, please share.

Why does this not make you point your FoS (thanks super I was pretending to know what FoS meant) at someone who hopped on the loaf-wagon?

"His play is the most scummy-like"
As implied by him being the only name on your list. What makes his play scummy like to you? Might I guess that your answer will be 'What abuse said but with less conviction?'

On October 08 2014 06:18 The_Zen_Man wrote:
On October 08 2014 06:08 Fecalfeast wrote:
On October 08 2014 05:06 The_Zen_Man wrote:
On October 08 2014 04:44 Superbia wrote:
On October 08 2014 04:36 The_Zen_Man wrote:
On October 08 2014 04:19 Rad wrote:
On October 08 2014 03:51 The_Zen_Man wrote:
Right now, i really don't have anyone else in mind at all as scum. If someone does find someone else scummy, please share.


Isn't that pretty much the only job that town has? To find things that are scummy and pursue them. Any reason you're asking others to do that for you?

You say no one else seems scummy to you, are you suggesting that it's probably loafery or the lurkers that are scum?

Why are you taking the easy route here?


It wasn't meant as others doing it for me, rather that others should contribute. Right now there are like 4 people that has only like 3 posts on this thread. I can't really find mafia if i don't have much to go on. I did as much as i could with the info i had at the time.

No, im saying that i haven't found anything scummy with the people that have posted other than loafrey. That dosen't mean all mafia are either him or the lurkers, just that i have not found anything suspicious about anyone else.

Im not taking any easy route, I have done as much as I can with the given information.


You found out that your arguments were already used by others to push loaf. Do you like the people who pushed on loaf for the same reason?


Yeah, abuse is probably the one that had most of my arguments already written. I do however not share all of abuses opinions and do believe that he is pushing for loaf too hard. I would for instance not vote on him this early, as it is definetly too early to prove that he is a scum. Better to simply do a FoS, as it will give an indicitation of what you think of the person, but not have all dirt throwback that often comes with voting on someone.

What it looks to me like super was really asking is what you think of abuse based on abuse's reads. You say he is pushing a little too hard, why?


Mostly it was because of the vote. But i also think that some of his arguments are a little more hardline than mine. I share most of abuses opinions on loaf, but i think the biggest thing we differ on is the whole loaf asking about roles thing. I really think that loaf was merely confused and asking about the rules when he said we all should claim roles, and I believe him when he says it was like that on another game.


Your reasoning for differing from abuse's opinion is that you believe he misinterpreted the rules. Nobody is using that fact anymore and the basis of abuse's argument is more on how loaf words his posts, not how he read the OP.

I'm still a little gun-shy with voting people like this but you have some things to answer for, zen...


Just vote, you can always retract your vote.

Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
October 08 2014 07:07 GMT
#297
##Vote: Fecalfeast

Missed the hashtags sorry
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
October 08 2014 20:31 GMT
#366
Just woke up, will respond to abuses posts later like in night phase unless anyone specifically wants it now.

Zen you are about to be lynched you need to leave us with some info who are you reading scum other than superbia as much as rad doesn't like lists a list wold be fine.
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
October 08 2014 20:47 GMT
#374
Zen what's your opinion on the four people voting you right now and what do you think of Elvis?
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
October 08 2014 20:48 GMT
#375
It looks like you are going to be lynched here and if you are town you want to leave us with as much useful info as you can so start reading people.
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
October 08 2014 20:55 GMT
#379
On October 09 2014 05:51 The_Zen_Man wrote:
Here is a list of what i think of the people here:

Very scummy: Super, Rad
Scummy: FF, loaf
Null: Elvis, Dust, breshke
Townie: Abuse

Reasoning: I agree with what other write about FF, thought i don't have time to write more specifics. The Null people really haven't given me much to go on. Abuse i read as town because of how he really started posting content in a time when basically no one else posted anything of worth. The rest are the same reasonings as my previous posts.


Agree with others who write about FF? So do you mean rad your top scum read or me because i don't think my push was that good so im surprised either way here.
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
October 08 2014 20:59 GMT
#381
Town
Loaf
Abuse
Superbia

Leantown
Rad

Null
Elvis
Dusts

Leanscum
Zen

Scum
ff
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
October 08 2014 21:39 GMT
#402
In response to abuse's post which can be found here

First of all i wrote about the dumbtell again in that post because I wanted people to see my thought process. Probably not that useful but whatever i did it. I then go on and say I am reading loaf town because he actually starts scum hunting and stops talking about previous games. He even has the same mindset as me in going for superbia as he had been not actually pushing on people at this point.

Then onto my post about Zen. I feel Zen is more of a newbie like me. You guys are very good at constructing cases on people, I read them and think oh i want to add to this then just end up rearranging the words and posting it not realizing that ive just completely copied your post plus like one little extra argument I've thought of. This is what Zen did and after doing this myself i thought i could try explain it as people were getting worked up about him telling "lies".

I also then voted him but that was because as i said he had non committal reads. He basically hadn't given a substantial read on anyone but loaf and even that was iffy. This vote was a placeholder and superbia was pushing for people to jump on his bandwagon so i thought I'd indulge him for a bit and see if he had some play lined up.

On October 09 2014 05:50 Elvis! wrote:
I'm sorry about this short post, but I want it to be able to be discussed before the deadline.
I will insert more quotes that support this asap, but due to real life issues I had less time than I thought I would.

My current read for the most scummy is: Breshke:
##Vote: Breshke
He does post an amount which is not suspiciously low, but moslty in a very short manner each time. Even though he asks some questions, there rarely is follow-up, more analysis or just generally use of that information.
I see this as a subtle way to try to hide being mafia, shallowly you appear non-mafia, since you can see him posting and gathering some information, but I think what he's doing is more to confuse town than to hunt scum. Which is what we're here for.
The only way he "contributes" is with a fishy vote on Zen, which Superbia and the surrounding characters have a decent case on, but Breshke was merely a small time before the vote, defending Zen against accusations.
A townie would adress why, and in detail, one should not only follow a bandwagon, insert personal thoughts about the case and support it.
He simply jumps on something he as a mafia knows is not mafia, is a good scapegoat and has a decent case against the person.
This is the perfect opportunity for him as mafia to strike and hide.

Then there is multiple posts which insert chaos, which according to this analysis (yes abuse I too have read this one - it's really good), is exactly mafia's role.
To sum it up:
How do I think I detected him?
He not only does donkey things like loaf, but things that stop us from scumhunting.
He jumps on a bandwagon that even though it has a decent background, might be close but not quite(read: a lot of people are getting read as scum at the moment, most people vote on Zen because to them he appears a little more scummy than the rest, but not in a crazy substantial way).

my current list:

abuse + superbia go the most into scumhunting. I like how they don't fear to be in the spotlight and get their cases forward(!!!). They share position 1 - would not put them in my town circle quite yet, waiting for cases on more people (which they announced already) to happen.
Rad is not as intense in doing so as they are, but I don't see scum indicators and few town indicators, so he's on position 3 in my townPosition 3 - leans town
FecalFeast for me at the moment is null, I can't really say what his actions indicate the most, will look at him in more detail later when the next big thing happens. He does not seem dangerous or disruptive, so he's not a scum read for me. position 4 - null.
dusts: -- no position --.
loafery for me at the moment is just making a whole bunch of weird actions which might or might not be intended to be disruptive. Since some of his things are more scum-like than town he is Position 5 - leans scum.
Zen for me still is the second worst of them all, but for me I think Breshes disruptive and chaotic actions are more clear. He might be the second scum with breshke, since he isn't as obvious as Breshke for me atm I'll not vote for him. Position 6 - leans into scum like a drunk guy on a fit girl.
Breshke - see above.


I agree my posts are generally too short i don't know if this is my play style or what but i probably need to improve that. Yes i don't always use peoples answers to my questions but it lets me see their thought process and tries to keep conversation flowing.

Next the bolded section. Are you saying here you know Zen is town? This was posted before the flip and confuses me because the way i voted there if i was a 3rd party i would have probably assumed that i was partners with Zen not he town and myself mafia. You are obviously reading Zen town so why did you not say anything in his defense at all?

Also i'm interested to see the quotes of where i inset chaos because i don't think i have been doing that.

Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
October 08 2014 23:07 GMT
#404
On October 09 2014 07:58 loafery wrote:
just a quick post before I start reading. Is it right in assuming the people that defended zen before his flip lean towards town?


No not really, mafia would know he was town and could easily defend him for easy town points. Also i don't think anyone really defended him.
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
October 08 2014 23:51 GMT
#407
On October 09 2014 08:38 Fecalfeast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2014 06:39 Breshke wrote:
In response to abuse's post which can be found here

First of all i wrote about the dumbtell again in that post because I wanted people to see my thought process. Probably not that useful but whatever i did it. I then go on and say I am reading loaf town because he actually starts scum hunting and stops talking about previous games. He even has the same mindset as me in going for superbia as he had been not actually pushing on people at this point.

Then onto my post about Zen. I feel Zen is more of a newbie like me. You guys are very good at constructing cases on people, I read them and think oh i want to add to this then just end up rearranging the words and posting it not realizing that ive just completely copied your post plus like one little extra argument I've thought of. This is what Zen did and after doing this myself i thought i could try explain it as people were getting worked up about him telling "lies".

I also then voted him but that was because as i said he had non committal reads. He basically hadn't given a substantial read on anyone but loaf and even that was iffy. This vote was a placeholder and superbia was pushing for people to jump on his bandwagon so i thought I'd indulge him for a bit and see if he had some play lined up.

On October 09 2014 05:50 Elvis! wrote:
I'm sorry about this short post, but I want it to be able to be discussed before the deadline.
I will insert more quotes that support this asap, but due to real life issues I had less time than I thought I would.

My current read for the most scummy is: Breshke:
##Vote: Breshke
He does post an amount which is not suspiciously low, but moslty in a very short manner each time. Even though he asks some questions, there rarely is follow-up, more analysis or just generally use of that information.
I see this as a subtle way to try to hide being mafia, shallowly you appear non-mafia, since you can see him posting and gathering some information, but I think what he's doing is more to confuse town than to hunt scum. Which is what we're here for.
The only way he "contributes" is with a fishy vote on Zen, which Superbia and the surrounding characters have a decent case on, but Breshke was merely a small time before the vote, defending Zen against accusations.
A townie would adress why, and in detail, one should not only follow a bandwagon, insert personal thoughts about the case and support it.
He simply jumps on something he as a mafia knows is not mafia, is a good scapegoat and has a decent case against the person.
This is the perfect opportunity for him as mafia to strike and hide.

Then there is multiple posts which insert chaos, which according to this analysis (yes abuse I too have read this one - it's really good), is exactly mafia's role.
To sum it up:
How do I think I detected him?
He not only does donkey things like loaf, but things that stop us from scumhunting.
He jumps on a bandwagon that even though it has a decent background, might be close but not quite(read: a lot of people are getting read as scum at the moment, most people vote on Zen because to them he appears a little more scummy than the rest, but not in a crazy substantial way).

my current list:

abuse + superbia go the most into scumhunting. I like how they don't fear to be in the spotlight and get their cases forward(!!!). They share position 1 - would not put them in my town circle quite yet, waiting for cases on more people (which they announced already) to happen.
Rad is not as intense in doing so as they are, but I don't see scum indicators and few town indicators, so he's on position 3 in my townPosition 3 - leans town
FecalFeast for me at the moment is null, I can't really say what his actions indicate the most, will look at him in more detail later when the next big thing happens. He does not seem dangerous or disruptive, so he's not a scum read for me. position 4 - null.
dusts: -- no position --.
loafery for me at the moment is just making a whole bunch of weird actions which might or might not be intended to be disruptive. Since some of his things are more scum-like than town he is Position 5 - leans scum.
Zen for me still is the second worst of them all, but for me I think Breshes disruptive and chaotic actions are more clear. He might be the second scum with breshke, since he isn't as obvious as Breshke for me atm I'll not vote for him. Position 6 - leans into scum like a drunk guy on a fit girl.
Breshke - see above.


I agree my posts are generally too short i don't know if this is my play style or what but i probably need to improve that. Yes i don't always use peoples answers to my questions but it lets me see their thought process and tries to keep conversation flowing.

Next the bolded section. Are you saying here you know Zen is town? This was posted before the flip and confuses me because the way i voted there if i was a 3rd party i would have probably assumed that i was partners with Zen not he town and myself mafia. You are obviously reading Zen town so why did you not say anything in his defense at all?

Also i'm interested to see the quotes of where i inset chaos because i don't think i have been doing that.



I was calling you scum before but this post is making me reconsider. First, though:

The bolded section, if I'm reading this correctly, is saying that you looked at the game from a third party view and saw yourself and zen as the most scummy so voted for someone else(me)? Why are you looking at the game from another point of view if you are town?
Please let me know if I read that incorrectly.


Sorry i didn't explain that very well.

So elvis says "He simply jumps on something he as a mafia knows is not mafia, is a good scapegoat and has a decent case against the person.
This is the perfect opportunity for him as mafia to strike and hide."

So if you look back i vote Zen after superbia prompting me to do so then fairly soon after change my vote to you FF. Let's pretend i'm Elvis thinking Breshke is mafia. He sees this vote and says he thinks its me jumping on voting on a town. So by this logic he thinks Zen is town. Why didn't he try and stop the lynch why didn't he even mention this anywhere else? Wouldn't the better assumption to come to at that point be that me and Zen were partners and i was getting worried about the vote on him going through. In fact im fairly sure this is what your reaction my change of vote was saying i was getting nervous.

I realize this is probably poorly explained so if you have anymore questions about it feel free to ask.
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
October 09 2014 00:57 GMT
#425
Cya elvis but for when you come back could you please show me where i was causing chaos because i don't see it cheers.
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
October 09 2014 07:49 GMT
#438
On October 09 2014 16:18 abuse wrote:
@FecalFeast, Okay this is good enough for now.


Free townpoints to anyone who says why breshke is scum. (I will post the answer closer to the end of N1).



How close to the end of N1? I'd like to be awake for it but deadline is earlyish in the morning for me already.
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
October 09 2014 07:55 GMT
#439
On October 09 2014 16:18 abuse wrote:
@FecalFeast, Okay this is good enough for now.


Free townpoints to anyone who says why breshke is scum. (I will post the answer closer to the end of N1).


Also either say why i'm scum or don't. Don't tell people you will read them town if they call me mafia. If i'm mafia i'd have a partner who would get a free town read. I see no reason for this post.
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
October 09 2014 08:19 GMT
#442
On October 09 2014 17:04 abuse wrote:
Also, I didn't say the person who'd call you mafia would get a town read.
I said that the person who said why would get town points. (which are basically nothing.)


Fair enough but that just goes more to the point of why I didn't see why you made that post. Although thinking about it i'd rather if you refrain from giving your read until elvis has fully explained his as i've asked him to do so but he is asleep or busy i don't remember which.
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
October 09 2014 21:27 GMT
#467
On October 10 2014 01:30 Elvis! wrote:
This might be in the wrong order sometimes, but I gave a comment to everything I find chaotic, disruptive, useless, fitting into everyone, trying to get town cred, not committing to pushes, generally posting low amounts of text per post not doing throughout analysis.
All of these for me are scum indicators.
Gotta go to training now, thus I don't have time to polish this, I hope it's satisfying.
I wanted to get this out now since Breshke for some reason wants people to wait for this.






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On October 08 2014 09:29 Breshke wrote:
On October 08 2014 07:40 loafery wrote:
"This set-up is based off of the Matrix6 setup with added flavor. This is a semi-open set-up meaning that while all of the roles possible will be displayed the number of each role in game is unknown."

for my defense of being noobish I frankly didn't read this part of the OP. My mistake. To be frank, it's my first time playing semi-open or any kind of open setup. It's always been where everyone knows which roles there are and its fixed.

I srsly don't want to bring in external factors to the game and my credibility and what not. If I have to then so be it...

But atm i want to read abuse as scummy for trying so unnaturally hard and tunneling into lynching me.


Do you not agree then that people reading you as town just for misreading the OP could be scummy then? Like this is something that could be faked so i don't see how people can get a town read off that. Also in my opinion not trying to answer questions is scummy because it makes it seem like you have something to hide but I understand there been so much focus on you so there's a lot to answer.

I'm uneasy about superbia and ff saying they both basically disagree with the push on loaf but aren't pushing on anyone themselves. Who are you both scum reading? Who do you think should be a wagon for today?

Also my biggest town at the moment is abuse from his hard push on loaf as he was the first one to actively push his reads and doing this as mafia would majorly put the spotlight on him if loaf gets lynched and happens to flip town.



Breshke telling people to read scum and start a wagon, while he himself has no reasonable case yet? He had his one on ff, but even though he puts him as scum he doesn't really push for it, doesn't start a wagon, doesn't encourage other to read into ff more, and mostly, is in not commital about it.
The thing that concerns me the most is that he votes for someone who noone made a big case of yet and doesn't really analyse ff in a big way either. So if you read him scum, why not be confident, research and make a case out of it?


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On October 08 2014 10:44 Breshke wrote:
I want to try explain something in defense of Zen but i am not reading him as town he is still null for me at the moment.

So he made his wall post about loaf which was basically just sheeping abuse. In my first game im not sure if you remember I basically just sheeped the entire game when I tried to make posts because i was finding it really hard to make content of my own.

On October 07 2014 23:12 Superbia wrote:
On October 07 2014 23:00 abuse wrote:
On October 07 2014 22:11 Superbia wrote:
On October 07 2014 21:04 Breshke wrote:
On October 07 2014 20:54 Superbia wrote:
Also abuse & loaf probably both town.


Why do you think loaf is town?


It's mostly a gut read plus I'm happy with people pushing on him so far, so I'll let you know when it matters.


tell me what do you think about this post ?


I'm pretty sure all the points he brought up were brought up before. Interested to see what he has to say when he comes back.


This post here is probably the reason why zen then pretends that he read through the thread better and only just saw abuses post. Zen don't do this, its hardly ever good to lie as town especially about stuff like this. If you saw abuses post and agreed with it say that.

I do agree however that non committal reads are not good because they don't give much information. Care to tell us your thoughts on people in particular superbia and loaf.


##Vote: The_Zen_Man


This post has been frequently talked about, what's more confusing than defending a player, and then claiming he's scum for reasons he himself isn't fulfilling? Where's your committal reads? Going on the player everyone is on about without giving much proof or anything isn't committal.


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On October 08 2014 15:23 Breshke wrote:
On October 08 2014 15:15 Rad wrote:
Breshke, what are your thoughts about Fecalfeast? Are you satisfied with him parking his vote on zen?


I'm not actually sure like the interaction between superbia and ff about the vote on zen really seems off to me like superbia can just tell ff what to do. He has said he doesnt like to be lumped together with super and then votes along side him without explaining anything. He has posted a lot but has yet to give a scumread of his own and is voting on someone because someone who he has said he doesnt want to be paired with told him to. Looking back on this i think this is very scummy.

##Vote: Fecalfeast



Just because two people go on the same person (which you did go on as well) doesn't mean one can "tell the other what to do". How is that relevant?
then " He has said he doesnt like to be lumped together with super and then votes along side him without explaining anything. " so did you. I mean ok, if it isn't your style to make big posts, I guess that's not really good for town but fine, but why complain about others who do the same?


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On October 08 2014 16:06 Breshke wrote:
On October 08 2014 15:28 Rad wrote:
Btw:


If you change your vote, please ##Unvote before posting another vote (can be done in the same post).


So are you saying you don't believe zen is scum now? Or you think fecal's trying to bus zen to gain town cred?


##Unvote

Vote:Fecalfeast

My vote on Zen was more for pressure and his dislike of non committal reads he has made. I feel that for the quantity of your reads you have provided a very little amount of information and you only voted for Zen after superbia made a case on him. It feels like you are just trying to cruise by.


On October 08 2014 15:35 Fecalfeast wrote:
You want to know the post that really made me vote him? It was by superbia, even.

On October 08 2014 10:16 Superbia wrote:
On October 08 2014 10:09 Fecalfeast wrote:
On October 08 2014 03:51 The_Zen_Man wrote:
On October 08 2014 03:29 Superbia wrote:
On October 08 2014 02:40 The_Zen_Man wrote:As of now loafey is still highest on my scum list but im not sure if he is just a newbie/bad player or scum. Im gonna see more of his posts before I decide to vote for him or not. For now, i will settle with this.]


Mind sharing who else is on your scum list?


Right now the list is just loafey, but this is because other people haven't been as active. As ff said, this game is moving too slow, and that is because people haven't been active at all. We still have players that haven't said anything beyond their first day post, which was not that much.

@Fecalfeast: I think the reason people have gone after loafrey so hard is because there really isn't that much else to go on. His play has been the most scummy like, and that is probably why everyone is going after him. Right now, i really don't have anyone else in mind at all as scum. If someone does find someone else scummy, please share.

Why does this not make you point your FoS (thanks super I was pretending to know what FoS meant) at someone who hopped on the loaf-wagon?

"His play is the most scummy-like"
As implied by him being the only name on your list. What makes his play scummy like to you? Might I guess that your answer will be 'What abuse said but with less conviction?'

On October 08 2014 06:18 The_Zen_Man wrote:
On October 08 2014 06:08 Fecalfeast wrote:
On October 08 2014 05:06 The_Zen_Man wrote:
On October 08 2014 04:44 Superbia wrote:
On October 08 2014 04:36 The_Zen_Man wrote:
[quote]

It wasn't meant as others doing it for me, rather that others should contribute. Right now there are like 4 people that has only like 3 posts on this thread. I can't really find mafia if i don't have much to go on. I did as much as i could with the info i had at the time.

No, im saying that i haven't found anything scummy with the people that have posted other than loafrey. That dosen't mean all mafia are either him or the lurkers, just that i have not found anything suspicious about anyone else.

Im not taking any easy route, I have done as much as I can with the given information.


You found out that your arguments were already used by others to push loaf. Do you like the people who pushed on loaf for the same reason?


Yeah, abuse is probably the one that had most of my arguments already written. I do however not share all of abuses opinions and do believe that he is pushing for loaf too hard. I would for instance not vote on him this early, as it is definetly too early to prove that he is a scum. Better to simply do a FoS, as it will give an indicitation of what you think of the person, but not have all dirt throwback that often comes with voting on someone.

What it looks to me like super was really asking is what you think of abuse based on abuse's reads. You say he is pushing a little too hard, why?


Mostly it was because of the vote. But i also think that some of his arguments are a little more hardline than mine. I share most of abuses opinions on loaf, but i think the biggest thing we differ on is the whole loaf asking about roles thing. I really think that loaf was merely confused and asking about the rules when he said we all should claim roles, and I believe him when he says it was like that on another game.


Your reasoning for differing from abuse's opinion is that you believe he misinterpreted the rules. Nobody is using that fact anymore and the basis of abuse's argument is more on how loaf words his posts, not how he read the OP.

I'm still a little gun-shy with voting people like this but you have some things to answer for, zen...


Just vote, you can always retract your vote.

I am waiting for the man to post and you seriously come to the conclusion that I'm the best lynch target? Are you getting nervous or what?



Nervous about what? Why would i be nervous? Why are you so worried about my vote like you quoted
On October 08 2014 10:16 Superbia wrote:
On October 08 2014 10:09 Fecalfeast wrote:
On October 08 2014 03:51 The_Zen_Man wrote:
On October 08 2014 03:29 Superbia wrote:
On October 08 2014 02:40 The_Zen_Man wrote:As of now loafey is still highest on my scum list but im not sure if he is just a newbie/bad player or scum. Im gonna see more of his posts before I decide to vote for him or not. For now, i will settle with this.]


Mind sharing who else is on your scum list?


Right now the list is just loafey, but this is because other people haven't been as active. As ff said, this game is moving too slow, and that is because people haven't been active at all. We still have players that haven't said anything beyond their first day post, which was not that much.

@Fecalfeast: I think the reason people have gone after loafrey so hard is because there really isn't that much else to go on. His play has been the most scummy like, and that is probably why everyone is going after him. Right now, i really don't have anyone else in mind at all as scum. If someone does find someone else scummy, please share.

Why does this not make you point your FoS (thanks super I was pretending to know what FoS meant) at someone who hopped on the loaf-wagon?

"His play is the most scummy-like"
As implied by him being the only name on your list. What makes his play scummy like to you? Might I guess that your answer will be 'What abuse said but with less conviction?'

On October 08 2014 06:18 The_Zen_Man wrote:
On October 08 2014 06:08 Fecalfeast wrote:
On October 08 2014 05:06 The_Zen_Man wrote:
On October 08 2014 04:44 Superbia wrote:
On October 08 2014 04:36 The_Zen_Man wrote:
On October 08 2014 04:19 Rad wrote:
[quote]

Isn't that pretty much the only job that town has? To find things that are scummy and pursue them. Any reason you're asking others to do that for you?

You say no one else seems scummy to you, are you suggesting that it's probably loafery or the lurkers that are scum?

Why are you taking the easy route here?


It wasn't meant as others doing it for me, rather that others should contribute. Right now there are like 4 people that has only like 3 posts on this thread. I can't really find mafia if i don't have much to go on. I did as much as i could with the info i had at the time.

No, im saying that i haven't found anything scummy with the people that have posted other than loafrey. That dosen't mean all mafia are either him or the lurkers, just that i have not found anything suspicious about anyone else.

Im not taking any easy route, I have done as much as I can with the given information.


You found out that your arguments were already used by others to push loaf. Do you like the people who pushed on loaf for the same reason?


Yeah, abuse is probably the one that had most of my arguments already written. I do however not share all of abuses opinions and do believe that he is pushing for loaf too hard. I would for instance not vote on him this early, as it is definetly too early to prove that he is a scum. Better to simply do a FoS, as it will give an indicitation of what you think of the person, but not have all dirt throwback that often comes with voting on someone.

What it looks to me like super was really asking is what you think of abuse based on abuse's reads. You say he is pushing a little too hard, why?


Mostly it was because of the vote. But i also think that some of his arguments are a little more hardline than mine. I share most of abuses opinions on loaf, but i think the biggest thing we differ on is the whole loaf asking about roles thing. I really think that loaf was merely confused and asking about the rules when he said we all should claim roles, and I believe him when he says it was like that on another game.


Your reasoning for differing from abuse's opinion is that you believe he misinterpreted the rules. Nobody is using that fact anymore and the basis of abuse's argument is more on how loaf words his posts, not how he read the OP.

I'm still a little gun-shy with voting people like this but you have some things to answer for, zen...


Just vote, you can always retract your vote.




As above mentioned - just like yours I feel like. If you make a reasonable case on Zen, fine, but you basically just agreed with everyone else and cruised by. Since we now know Zen is town, this makes a lot more sense to do as mafia.


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On October 09 2014 05:48 Breshke wrote:
It looks like you are going to be lynched here and if you are town you want to leave us with as much useful info as you can so start reading people.



He isn't a donkey. This is unnecesarry information, but makes you look like you're doing something.


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On October 09 2014 06:39 Breshke wrote:
In response to abuse's post which can be found here

First of all i wrote about the dumbtell again in that post because I wanted people to see my thought process. Probably not that useful but whatever i did it. I then go on and say I am reading loaf town because he actually starts scum hunting and stops talking about previous games. He even has the same mindset as me in going for superbia as he had been not actually pushing on people at this point.

Then onto my post about Zen. I feel Zen is more of a newbie like me. You guys are very good at constructing cases on people, I read them and think oh i want to add to this then just end up rearranging the words and posting it not realizing that ive just completely copied your post plus like one little extra argument I've thought of. This is what Zen did and after doing this myself i thought i could try explain it as people were getting worked up about him telling "lies".

I also then voted him but that was because as i said he had non committal reads. He basically hadn't given a substantial read on anyone but loaf and even that was iffy. This vote was a placeholder and superbia was pushing for people to jump on his bandwagon so i thought I'd indulge him for a bit and see if he had some play lined up.

On October 09 2014 05:50 Elvis! wrote:
I'm sorry about this short post, but I want it to be able to be discussed before the deadline.
I will insert more quotes that support this asap, but due to real life issues I had less time than I thought I would.

My current read for the most scummy is: Breshke:
##Vote: Breshke
He does post an amount which is not suspiciously low, but moslty in a very short manner each time. Even though he asks some questions, there rarely is follow-up, more analysis or just generally use of that information.
I see this as a subtle way to try to hide being mafia, shallowly you appear non-mafia, since you can see him posting and gathering some information, but I think what he's doing is more to confuse town than to hunt scum. Which is what we're here for.
The only way he "contributes" is with a fishy vote on Zen, which Superbia and the surrounding characters have a decent case on, but Breshke was merely a small time before the vote, defending Zen against accusations.
A townie would adress why, and in detail, one should not only follow a bandwagon, insert personal thoughts about the case and support it.
He simply jumps on something he as a mafia knows is not mafia, is a good scapegoat and has a decent case against the person.
This is the perfect opportunity for him as mafia to strike and hide.

Then there is multiple posts which insert chaos, which according to this analysis (yes abuse I too have read this one - it's really good), is exactly mafia's role.
To sum it up:
How do I think I detected him?
He not only does donkey things like loaf, but things that stop us from scumhunting.
He jumps on a bandwagon that even though it has a decent background, might be close but not quite(read: a lot of people are getting read as scum at the moment, most people vote on Zen because to them he appears a little more scummy than the rest, but not in a crazy substantial way).

my current list:

abuse + superbia go the most into scumhunting. I like how they don't fear to be in the spotlight and get their cases forward(!!!). They share position 1 - would not put them in my town circle quite yet, waiting for cases on more people (which they announced already) to happen.
Rad is not as intense in doing so as they are, but I don't see scum indicators and few town indicators, so he's on position 3 in my townPosition 3 - leans town
FecalFeast for me at the moment is null, I can't really say what his actions indicate the most, will look at him in more detail later when the next big thing happens. He does not seem dangerous or disruptive, so he's not a scum read for me. position 4 - null.
dusts: -- no position --.
loafery for me at the moment is just making a whole bunch of weird actions which might or might not be intended to be disruptive. Since some of his things are more scum-like than town he is Position 5 - leans scum.
Zen for me still is the second worst of them all, but for me I think Breshes disruptive and chaotic actions are more clear. He might be the second scum with breshke, since he isn't as obvious as Breshke for me atm I'll not vote for him. Position 6 - leans into scum like a drunk guy on a fit girl.
Breshke - see above.


I agree my posts are generally too short i don't know if this is my play style or what but i probably need to improve that. Yes i don't always use peoples answers to my questions but it lets me see their thought process and tries to keep conversation flowing.

Next the bolded section. Are you saying here you know Zen is town? This was posted before the flip and confuses me because the way i voted there if i was a 3rd party i would have probably assumed that i was partners with Zen not he town and myself mafia. You are obviously reading Zen town so why did you not say anything in his defense at all?

Also i'm interested to see the quotes of where i inset chaos because i don't think i have been doing that.




Same with you. I really don't get you at this point. You love pointing out how people are not doing good cases or analysis and are jumping onto people while your posts rarely exceed a couple of lines and we are yet to see you push someone substantually.

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On October 09 2014 16:55 Breshke wrote:
On October 09 2014 16:18 abuse wrote:
@FecalFeast, Okay this is good enough for now.


Free townpoints to anyone who says why breshke is scum. (I will post the answer closer to the end of N1).


Also either say why i'm scum or don't. Don't tell people you will read them town if they call me mafia. If i'm mafia i'd have a partner who would get a free town read. I see no reason for this post.


... and everyone else would read you like they should anyways. If a mafia openly reads you mafia this might very well make him slip up because he can not be commital to such a read. I don't think having everyone read a person about his alignment at once is terrible and I don't see how this is "has no reason". Some people are suspicious about you, why wouldn't they ask everyone else how they feel about you? To remind, you did this a couple of times (blindly asking about someone feels about X person).


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On October 09 2014 05:31 Breshke wrote:
Just woke up, will respond to abuses posts later like in night phase unless anyone specifically wants it now.

Zen you are about to be lynched you need to leave us with some info who are you reading scum other than superbia as much as rad doesn't like lists a list wold be fine.



Why did you post this same thing twice?
So by that you are positive that Zen is town, am I right? It would be useless to have a mafia explain how he feels about stuff.
So I conclude that you read Zen town, since you didn't vote on him and didn't like the case, why didn't you defend Zen, why didn't you ask for his opinion on other at a time where things could actually be changed? At this point it's too late to save him and vote mafia, if you think his reads are important why not try getting them earlier?
In your list it says Zen leans scum, why would you want him to do a read?


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On October 09 2014 05:59 Breshke wrote:
Town
Loaf
Abuse
Superbia

Leantown
Rad

Null
Elvis
Dusts

Leanscum
Zen

Scum
ff



Then this list.
To not rant about all the other things again: Why are there no explanations on any of these? This is a default list for anyone wanting to get town points by ranking the popular persons high.


Your first quote i was of the mindset that loaf was a good push abuse had made a good case and loaf had done nothing towny yet but superbia and ff were reading him town so i asked them who they thought was scum because so far all i had from them was they thought loaf was town because of gut reads.

Your second quote i have already explained so feel free to go back and read it but once again

Your third quote, have you read the thread? Superbia literally told ff to do it and that seemed to spark him into voting He then explained its because he realized he can vote and unvote and it wasn't a big deal voting for someone but still at the time that is what it seemed like to me. Also I never said i was uneasy being lumped together with super, my problem with ff there was he was not happy with it but he was doing things that made it happen anyway

Fourth quote, lets pretend its your first game and you are just happy sitting back like Zen seemed to be How do you kick this person into drive and make them stat playing the game? You stack a bunch of votes up against their name. This is what i was doing and it really didn't seem to work Still Not causing chaos here

Fifth quote, are you serious? Zen literally looked like he had no intention of giving reads and that's terrible. If he is town, thats one town voice gone without giving any input. Even worse if he is scum he doesnt have anything to link him to anyone.

Sixth quote, this is true i should build more cases on people its something im weak at ill happily agree to this. Did you not egt anything else from that post?

7th, you are misunderstanding me here What i thought abuse ment was he would read someone town if they called me scum. IF he is town that was terrible because its jsut a free town read for scum he has since clarified that that is not what he actually ment.

8th, No I had no Idea what zens alignment was unlike you Like ive explained previously getting someones reads before they die is god no matter what alignment they are If he is scum you want to get as much information from him as possible because it's the easiest way to tie him to his partner

9th, Yeah its a shit list i was rushing and you had asked me for one

Let me go on to say that in your first post on me you said i was trying to cause chaos and you would back it up with quotes in nothing you have posted have i been trying to cause chaos So why then did you say this when you literally have nothing to back it up with. Like you yourself had said you read through the various guides and what not that TL has to offer and as scum had to find a what scum normally act like so you could call someone out on it. Causing chaos is one of these things and with people already going on me you thought you would just jump on make the claim i was causing chaos and hope to have no one look at it too closely.

That added with the fact that also in your first post you basically assumed zen was town in one part of your read to call me scum but then had him on your scum list? People jumped all over Zen for so much less than this. You have tried to explain this and it STILL makes no sense to me what so ever.

You are my biggest scum read right now elvis but i will hopefully have more to post about this after filter diving you later.

Also while i've been writing this day post happens so nice work pr's getting a save or a good jail has gotten us another lynch which it looks like we are really going to need.
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
October 09 2014 21:42 GMT
#469
Linking the post this time so it isn't a wall again.

First of all i did not drop all suspicion of loaf, he started scum hunting so i started reading him townier for it. Like this is actually ridiculous elvis saying I wasn't going on anyone and calling me scummy for it and then for the same posts abuse says im going on loaf and then drop all suspicion.

You know why I "defended" Zen? Because this is a newbie game! He did something I in my first game also did and everyone was losing their shit about him not telling the truth. I wanted to shoot that stuff down read him scum but not for that. You say it isn't towny but why? I fully expected him not to be able to explain what was going on there as he wasn't even giving his reads before he died until i asked him twice. Yes i voted him with my very first vote because i wanted him to start playing and not just sit back. Also i have no idea why you emphasized very first vote there?

When i voted on ff i actually had no idea that rad had written the fos on him earlier. I don't know if i missed it or forgot about it but there is no way to prove this so it probably wont matter to you.

About my list and eys once again it was shit. The town were all equal not in order of most town if they were at the time you would have been top abuse. Also my vote was on ff so i have no idea what you are talking about here.

Abuse you asked people to re-evalute but at the end of D1 you had me zen and loaf as scum and nothing seemes to have changed for you after zens flip. In your world the vote on Zen went over with no mafia at all voting on him and one mafia defending him. (I personally don't think i defended him as i was prepared to vote for him because at the time superbia had only one less vote then he did and he was in my town.)
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
October 10 2014 00:42 GMT
#476
On October 09 2014 05:50 Elvis! wrote:
I'm sorry about this short post, but I want it to be able to be discussed before the deadline.
I will insert more quotes that support this asap, but due to real life issues I had less time than I thought I would.

My current read for the most scummy is: Breshke:
##Vote: Breshke
He does post an amount which is not suspiciously low, but moslty in a very short manner each time. Even though he asks some questions, there rarely is follow-up, more analysis or just generally use of that information.
I see this as a subtle way to try to hide being mafia, shallowly you appear non-mafia, since you can see him posting and gathering some information, but I think what he's doing is more to confuse town than to hunt scum. Which is what we're here for.
The only way he "contributes" is with a fishy vote on Zen, which Superbia and the surrounding characters have a decent case on, but Breshke was merely a small time before the vote, defending Zen against accusations.
A townie would adress why, and in detail, one should not only follow a bandwagon, insert personal thoughts about the case and support it.
He simply jumps on something he as a mafia knows is not mafia, is a good scapegoat and has a decent case against the person.
This is the perfect opportunity for him as mafia to strike and hide.
Then there is multiple posts which insert chaos, which according to this analysis (yes abuse I too have read this one - it's really good), is exactly mafia's role.
To sum it up:
How do I think I detected him?
He not only does donkey things like loaf, but things that stop us from scumhunting.
He jumps on a bandwagon that even though it has a decent background, might be close but not quite(read: a lot of people are getting read as scum at the moment, most people vote on Zen because to them he appears a little more scummy than the rest, but not in a crazy substantial way).

my current list:

abuse + superbia go the most into scumhunting. I like how they don't fear to be in the spotlight and get their cases forward(!!!). They share position 1 - would not put them in my town circle quite yet, waiting for cases on more people (which they announced already) to happen.
Rad is not as intense in doing so as they are, but I don't see scum indicators and few town indicators, so he's on position 3 in my townPosition 3 - leans town
FecalFeast for me at the moment is null, I can't really say what his actions indicate the most, will look at him in more detail later when the next big thing happens. He does not seem dangerous or disruptive, so he's not a scum read for me. position 4 - null.
dusts: -- no position --.
loafery for me at the moment is just making a whole bunch of weird actions which might or might not be intended to be disruptive. Since some of his things are more scum-like than town he is Position 5 - leans scum.
Zen for me still is the second worst of them all, but for me I think Breshes disruptive and chaotic actions are more clear. He might be the second scum with breshke, since he isn't as obvious as Breshke for me atm I'll not vote for him. Position 6 - leans into scum like a drunk guy on a fit girl.
Breshke - see above.


So this is the first post where Elvis mentions Zen and he both calls him town and mafia in one post. I need to emphasize how wrong the bolded section is. According to his list at the bottom he thinks both me and Zen are mafia but in his post on me he uses logic in which Zen is town. How does this make any sense. Also his lake of almost any interaction with zen disturbs me like he didn't want to be associated with what he knew was a miss lynch.

In this post here he wants to emphasize that his main problem with me is that i have been causing chaos. Where? He has come back with some of my quotes(post ) but how are they making chaos? I was asking the person who was going to be lynched what their reads are. How is this bad no matter their alignment we get information and i have explained basically every other single one.

Elvis is grasping at straws, he can't find a reason to scum read someone because he is scum


##Vote:Elvis!
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
October 10 2014 06:50 GMT
#484
On October 10 2014 15:27 Elvis! wrote:
So apparently now according to Breshke I'm mafia for no mafia reasons. There solely is town reasons behind my post and through my analysis of Breshke I have enough reason to say why he is not only useless and hiding, but outright disturbing us at scumhunting. Really just read my big post for the reasons.
If Breshke would have read my posts right he would know that there is not contradiction between calling someone very scummy but yet town.
Saying I'm scum for this sole reason, which I explained multiple times already, is pointless, there is no decent analysis at all of my case in his post, it's basically just OMGUS.

This OMGUS defense just further proves how he doesn't have any town motives. If a town thinks someone is mafia, the townie would make a posts with proof of scummy behaviour and thus stir up discussion on the matter.
While everyone can feel free about talking about my alignment, since I've got nothing to hide I think it's pointless and that we're not doing proper scumhunting with this.
Looking forward to everyone else's posts on Breshke and other scum pushes.
Especially from superbia since he said he now has to reevaluate everything and I'm interested in what he'll come up with.


vote me then. I've explained how that still doesn't make sense to me to assume someone is town to call someone else scum and to then call them scum. Also I still don't think you've shown a specific quote where im activly causing chaos and misleading town.

Also i don't think this is a omgus. Yes my vote on you for many reasons concerns your case on me but it isn't a omgus.

Abuse did you even read my post that was in response to yours?
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
October 10 2014 07:11 GMT
#487
On October 10 2014 15:58 abuse wrote:
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On October 10 2014 14:51 Rad wrote:
On October 10 2014 14:22 abuse wrote:
On October 10 2014 06:18 Rad wrote:
On October 10 2014 06:08 abuse wrote:
so scums shot failed. awesome.
glad to see that we either have a compitent PR or that scum failed and hit a vet.
If a vet was hit, I would suggest claiming it at some point, but it is completely up to you, so don't do it if you don't feel it is a good idea, but chances are high that a vet will just get hit again the next night.
Of course any other PR's should not claim.

Everyone who did not post at the end of N1, please start posting.


I'm curious. Let's say you're a vet. Would you claim?


don't try to find out if I'm a vet or not pls. find scum not PR's.


Wow. That answer.

On October 10 2014 06:18 Rad wrote:
On October 10 2014 06:08 abuse wrote:
so scums shot failed. awesome.
glad to see that we either have a compitent PR or that scum failed and hit a vet.
If a vet was hit, I would suggest claiming it at some point, but it is completely up to you, so don't do it if you don't feel it is a good idea, but chances are high that a vet will just get hit again the next night.
Of course any other PR's should not claim.

Everyone who did not post at the end of N1, please start posting.


I'm curious. Let's say you're a vet. Would you claim?


Your post here is scummy as all hell.

It's indecisive in when you would suggest them to claim, why they should claim, and even whether you actually think they should claim. It's open to allow others to tell you it's a bad idea while also baiting a vet claim out. It looks townie while serving no use to town. It says a whole lot of nothing while looking engaged.

On October 10 2014 14:22 abuse wrote:
On October 10 2014 06:18 Rad wrote:
On October 10 2014 06:08 abuse wrote:
so scums shot failed. awesome.
glad to see that we either have a compitent PR or that scum failed and hit a vet.
If a vet was hit, I would suggest claiming it at some point, but it is completely up to you, so don't do it if you don't feel it is a good idea, but chances are high that a vet will just get hit again the next night.
Of course any other PR's should not claim.

Everyone who did not post at the end of N1, please start posting.


I'm curious. Let's say you're a vet. Would you claim?


don't try to find out if I'm a vet or not pls. find scum not PR's.


Now back to this gem. How am I trying to find out if you're a vet and not scum hunting right now? You're not getting over confident being a town read to most people d1 are you? Remember, we lynched a townie and there were 4 of us on him.


Because if I say that I would claim as vet and I don't claim that means I'm not the vet.
Also that post of mine you tried to quote is not scummy.
My stance is clear.
I think a vet should claim, because if you have already been hit, then scum already know you're a vet, no reason to not let town know it aswell, as we get a confirmed townie that way, but I am not going to force a vet to claim. It is their game to play.


the problem with this is we could have a medic not a vet so then say mafia try and kill the same person tomorrow and we still have our power role. Vet is going to be killed tonight if he claims so isn't it better to only claim if he is going to be lynched.
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
October 10 2014 08:17 GMT
#492
On October 10 2014 17:09 abuse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2014 16:11 Breshke wrote:
On October 10 2014 15:58 abuse wrote:
On October 10 2014 14:51 Rad wrote:
On October 10 2014 14:22 abuse wrote:
On October 10 2014 06:18 Rad wrote:
On October 10 2014 06:08 abuse wrote:
so scums shot failed. awesome.
glad to see that we either have a compitent PR or that scum failed and hit a vet.
If a vet was hit, I would suggest claiming it at some point, but it is completely up to you, so don't do it if you don't feel it is a good idea, but chances are high that a vet will just get hit again the next night.
Of course any other PR's should not claim.

Everyone who did not post at the end of N1, please start posting.


I'm curious. Let's say you're a vet. Would you claim?


don't try to find out if I'm a vet or not pls. find scum not PR's.


Wow. That answer.

On October 10 2014 06:18 Rad wrote:
On October 10 2014 06:08 abuse wrote:
so scums shot failed. awesome.
glad to see that we either have a compitent PR or that scum failed and hit a vet.
If a vet was hit, I would suggest claiming it at some point, but it is completely up to you, so don't do it if you don't feel it is a good idea, but chances are high that a vet will just get hit again the next night.
Of course any other PR's should not claim.

Everyone who did not post at the end of N1, please start posting.


I'm curious. Let's say you're a vet. Would you claim?


Your post here is scummy as all hell.

It's indecisive in when you would suggest them to claim, why they should claim, and even whether you actually think they should claim. It's open to allow others to tell you it's a bad idea while also baiting a vet claim out. It looks townie while serving no use to town. It says a whole lot of nothing while looking engaged.

On October 10 2014 14:22 abuse wrote:
On October 10 2014 06:18 Rad wrote:
On October 10 2014 06:08 abuse wrote:
so scums shot failed. awesome.
glad to see that we either have a compitent PR or that scum failed and hit a vet.
If a vet was hit, I would suggest claiming it at some point, but it is completely up to you, so don't do it if you don't feel it is a good idea, but chances are high that a vet will just get hit again the next night.
Of course any other PR's should not claim.

Everyone who did not post at the end of N1, please start posting.


I'm curious. Let's say you're a vet. Would you claim?


don't try to find out if I'm a vet or not pls. find scum not PR's.


Now back to this gem. How am I trying to find out if you're a vet and not scum hunting right now? You're not getting over confident being a town read to most people d1 are you? Remember, we lynched a townie and there were 4 of us on him.


Because if I say that I would claim as vet and I don't claim that means I'm not the vet.
Also that post of mine you tried to quote is not scummy.
My stance is clear.
I think a vet should claim, because if you have already been hit, then scum already know you're a vet, no reason to not let town know it aswell, as we get a confirmed townie that way, but I am not going to force a vet to claim. It is their game to play.


the problem with this is we could have a medic not a vet so then say mafia try and kill the same person tomorrow and we still have our power role. Vet is going to be killed tonight if he claims so isn't it better to only claim if he is going to be lynched.


what I say is only based on the situation IF we have a vet. Vet claiming will not really impact how mafia choose their next kill. Scum should already know he's a vet just based on their own roles.
Also - what you are saying about him only claiming if he is going to be lynched is not bad. It is also correct. I never said the vet (if we have one) should claim right now. I said at some point.


False, vet is in exactly two setups. One has a role blocker one doesn't. I also think that we shouldn't be talking about this because the PRs will sort themselves out when they decide to.
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
October 10 2014 08:40 GMT
#494
On October 10 2014 17:20 abuse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2014 17:17 Breshke wrote:
On October 10 2014 17:09 abuse wrote:
On October 10 2014 16:11 Breshke wrote:
On October 10 2014 15:58 abuse wrote:
On October 10 2014 14:51 Rad wrote:
On October 10 2014 14:22 abuse wrote:
On October 10 2014 06:18 Rad wrote:
On October 10 2014 06:08 abuse wrote:
so scums shot failed. awesome.
glad to see that we either have a compitent PR or that scum failed and hit a vet.
If a vet was hit, I would suggest claiming it at some point, but it is completely up to you, so don't do it if you don't feel it is a good idea, but chances are high that a vet will just get hit again the next night.
Of course any other PR's should not claim.

Everyone who did not post at the end of N1, please start posting.


I'm curious. Let's say you're a vet. Would you claim?


don't try to find out if I'm a vet or not pls. find scum not PR's.


Wow. That answer.

On October 10 2014 06:18 Rad wrote:
On October 10 2014 06:08 abuse wrote:
so scums shot failed. awesome.
glad to see that we either have a compitent PR or that scum failed and hit a vet.
If a vet was hit, I would suggest claiming it at some point, but it is completely up to you, so don't do it if you don't feel it is a good idea, but chances are high that a vet will just get hit again the next night.
Of course any other PR's should not claim.

Everyone who did not post at the end of N1, please start posting.


I'm curious. Let's say you're a vet. Would you claim?


Your post here is scummy as all hell.

It's indecisive in when you would suggest them to claim, why they should claim, and even whether you actually think they should claim. It's open to allow others to tell you it's a bad idea while also baiting a vet claim out. It looks townie while serving no use to town. It says a whole lot of nothing while looking engaged.

On October 10 2014 14:22 abuse wrote:
On October 10 2014 06:18 Rad wrote:
On October 10 2014 06:08 abuse wrote:
so scums shot failed. awesome.
glad to see that we either have a compitent PR or that scum failed and hit a vet.
If a vet was hit, I would suggest claiming it at some point, but it is completely up to you, so don't do it if you don't feel it is a good idea, but chances are high that a vet will just get hit again the next night.
Of course any other PR's should not claim.

Everyone who did not post at the end of N1, please start posting.


I'm curious. Let's say you're a vet. Would you claim?


don't try to find out if I'm a vet or not pls. find scum not PR's.


Now back to this gem. How am I trying to find out if you're a vet and not scum hunting right now? You're not getting over confident being a town read to most people d1 are you? Remember, we lynched a townie and there were 4 of us on him.


Because if I say that I would claim as vet and I don't claim that means I'm not the vet.
Also that post of mine you tried to quote is not scummy.
My stance is clear.
I think a vet should claim, because if you have already been hit, then scum already know you're a vet, no reason to not let town know it aswell, as we get a confirmed townie that way, but I am not going to force a vet to claim. It is their game to play.


the problem with this is we could have a medic not a vet so then say mafia try and kill the same person tomorrow and we still have our power role. Vet is going to be killed tonight if he claims so isn't it better to only claim if he is going to be lynched.


what I say is only based on the situation IF we have a vet. Vet claiming will not really impact how mafia choose their next kill. Scum should already know he's a vet just based on their own roles.
Also - what you are saying about him only claiming if he is going to be lynched is not bad. It is also correct. I never said the vet (if we have one) should claim right now. I said at some point.


False, vet is in exactly two setups. One has a role blocker one doesn't. I also think that we shouldn't be talking about this because the PRs will sort themselves out when they decide to.


True, but if scum has a roleblocker he was not sucking on a thumb tonight, so if scum aren't dumb they should have som ideas as to what the setup is already.
Also we are only talking about a Vet who if exists, most likely does not have a vest anymore. I am confused by your statement about PR's sorting themselves out when they decide to, because at no point did we say that other PR's had to do anything at this point, and people doing stuff when they decide to themselves is what I've been pushing for this entire time. Why are you trying to make it sound like I did the opposite?


Sorry i thought you and others made it abundantly clear not to do anything if you were a different PR. it was in no way my intention to make it look like that if i did. I think it is best to just stop talking about this really. I'm interested to see what you have to say about my reply to your post especially about some misconceptions about where you think my vote was at the end of the day.
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
October 10 2014 09:29 GMT
#504
On October 10 2014 17:54 abuse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2014 06:42 Breshke wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Linking the post this time so it isn't a wall again.

First of all i did not drop all suspicion of loaf, he started scum hunting so i started reading him townier for it. Like this is actually ridiculous elvis saying I wasn't going on anyone and calling me scummy for it and then for the same posts abuse says im going on loaf and then drop all suspicion.

You know why I "defended" Zen? Because this is a newbie game! He did something I in my first game also did and everyone was losing their shit about him not telling the truth. I wanted to shoot that stuff down read him scum but not for that. You say it isn't towny but why? I fully expected him not to be able to explain what was going on there as he wasn't even giving his reads before he died until i asked him twice. Yes i voted him with my very first vote because i wanted him to start playing and not just sit back. Also i have no idea why you emphasized very first vote there?

When i voted on ff i actually had no idea that rad had written the fos on him earlier. I don't know if i missed it or forgot about it but there is no way to prove this so it probably wont matter to you.

About my list and eys once again it was shit. The town were all equal not in order of most town if they were at the time you would have been top abuse. Also my vote was on ff so i have no idea what you are talking about here.

Abuse you asked people to re-evalute but at the end of D1 you had me zen and loaf as scum and nothing seemes to have changed for you after zens flip. In your world the vote on Zen went over with no mafia at all voting on him and one mafia defending him. (I personally don't think i defended him as i was prepared to vote for him because at the time superbia had only one less vote then he did and he was in my town.)


1) where did he start scum hunting and does scumhunting instantly make you a town? Can scum not pretend to scum hunt, especially if it's done so weakly that people (me for example) did not even notice it as scum hunting? Because if you think saying "superbia is scum because he farms others posts to read them later" is scumhunting then you are wrong.

2) Why does it matter if it is a newbie game or not? Your defense was rendered useless when you voted for him in the same post. You say you wanted to read him scum but not for that. Why did you read him scum then? How can you expect him not to be able to explain? Why do you assume such things if you did not know at that point what was zen's skill level? I emphasized the first vote because your first vote was done on someone you had not even mentioned before, yet when you were suspicious of loaf you did not vote for him.

3) why do you find the time to "reread ff's filter and see him scummy" all of a sudden, but not have time to read the previous page of the thread?

4) why was loaf town in your list? Where does the confidence come from. It doesn't matter who is top town who is least town if you think they are town.

5) Nothing much has changed for me after zens flip (at that point at least) was because your actions towards zen were the most suspicious during D1. I have checked every single person in the thread for this. I am not sure loaf is scum, he just seems like the most likely candidate if we consider you being scum. Scum don't have to be on the wagon to lynch a townie if the lynch already has enough support from town.


@ fecal, as for your question, basically breshke's post did not persuade me, but I still do not know how I feel about him pointing out the flaw in elvis's post, I think it is a pretty big deal.. :/ elvis did explain it to a decent degree, but it still leaves him as a coinflip.. The fact that breshke did notice that is quite townie of him.. I am not sure if it is townie enough to make him town though.. I need more time and events to clear this out.


Okay he wasn't scum hunting. He started actually playing the game then and i was going to read him townier for it.

I need to make this clear. I was defending one part of Zens play and that was the "lie" he told. It isnt everyones reaction when they do something dumb like that to just come straight out and admit to it. I did agree however with the second part of superbias case on him about non committal reads so i felt voting him to at least pressure him. I then also felt fine taking my vote off him as there was plenty of votes for him so he was going to be pressured anyway and at the time i thought ff was much scummier.

I honestly don't know how i missed that post, i think i was focusing on ff's filter and didn't go back to reread what most other people had said it was bad i shouldn't have posted so hasty.

I was liking him at the time i can't actually remember why but he is still town for me more on that later though.

It just doesnt feel like you have re evaluated at all. I know it doesn't mean your reads have to change but you basically called out me zen and loaf as scum D1 and it feels like you are going to lynch all 3 of us until you lose as scum or win as town. I am seriously so confused about you abuse on one hand i like all the pressure you have been apply. first on loaf then on me but on the other it feels like you are happy to be stagnant with your reads and this is not a town thing to do.

For me to believe that 0 mafia voted on Zen i would have to think that exactly loaf and Elvis are mafia. i believe it is more likly that there is one mafia in the group of four that voted on Zen. I still think superbia is town having starting the wagon and building the biggest case against him. I also don't think ff is necessarily the scum although some of his posts today have been off. This will hopefully become clearer today when more stuff starts happening and superbia rejoins the thread. So i basically have a lean town read on loaf at the moment because i truly believe Elvis is scum and that the other scum lies in the group of four that voted on Zen. This being said i need you to contribute more loaf because i currently feel like a donkey for having a townread on you because you have contributed almost nothing recently.
Breshke
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October 10 2014 09:54 GMT
#506
On October 10 2014 18:33 abuse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2014 18:18 Rad wrote:
@abuse STOP with your insistence that claiming vet would be good here. If some newbie town vet reads your shit and claims just cause you said it's a good idea, I'm voting your ass immediately.

Scum can NOT know what the set up is at the moment. They REQUIRE knowing whether it was a vet or not to know what the setup is. All scum could possibly know that town doesn't is whether or not scum has a roleblocker. That's it. No other information has been revealed to give them any clue as to what the PRs are.



Now that I look at the setup better you are right that scum will know what the setup is if they know if there is a vet in the game.
Still, do you think giving them that information in exchange for receiving information ourselves is such a bad deal that you would vote a townie for this? Because that's not helping town. Also it's no good assuming that scum do not have a brain to have ideas as to what the setup could be right now, judging by other people's posts so far.
Scum's main job currently except for causing mislynches and staying hidden is finding PR's.

I like your rage though. +1 town point.


I think someones play as a jailer and someones play as a cop would be very similar so i don't know why you keep thinking scum knows exactly what the setup is. I don't get why you keep hinting at it as well like I have no idea who is a power role i don't know why you seem to.
Breshke
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October 10 2014 10:46 GMT
#510
On October 10 2014 18:33 abuse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2014 18:18 Rad wrote:
@abuse STOP with your insistence that claiming vet would be good here. If some newbie town vet reads your shit and claims just cause you said it's a good idea, I'm voting your ass immediately.

Scum can NOT know what the set up is at the moment. They REQUIRE knowing whether it was a vet or not to know what the setup is. All scum could possibly know that town doesn't is whether or not scum has a roleblocker. That's it. No other information has been revealed to give them any clue as to what the PRs are.



Now that I look at the setup better you are right that scum will know what the setup is if they know if there is a vet in the game.
Still, do you think giving them that information in exchange for receiving information ourselves is such a bad deal that you would vote a townie for this? Because that's not helping town. Also it's no good assuming that scum do not have a brain to have ideas as to what the setup could be right now, judging by other people's posts so far.
Scum's main job currently except for causing mislynches and staying hidden is finding PR's.

I like your rage though. +1 town point.


Why would scum have more of an idea than us. it's like you are trying to scare the pr or pr's into outing by saying mafia know who they are.

Does it not make sense to you why i am reading loaf as town now? I think Elvis is mafia and currently i refuse to believe that everyone who voted on Zen was town. Look how noone even tried to defend him or anything none of you guys even tried to get reads from Zen before he was lynched if he had ended up being mafia what would you have gone on to try and find his partner so no i refuse to think you can all be town so then i come to the logical conclusion that loaf is town.

So you arn't even going to consider elvis's possible slip anymore? Are you reading him town then?
Breshke
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October 10 2014 11:08 GMT
#511
Also Rad, Superbia and Loaf i really want to know your opinion on everything that has happened since end of D1. Fecal I know you think im mafia but your case is mostly centered around me trying to tunnel on you or attach myself is what you called it. I don't know how to show you this isn't true. I first asked superbia about you because i have played with him before and you two seemed pretty chummy and your play was almost very similar so i was interested in what he had to say about you.

Ff whats your opinion on elvis? Why did you have superbia in your scum at the end of N1?
Breshke
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October 10 2014 11:29 GMT
#513
On October 10 2014 20:13 abuse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2014 19:46 Breshke wrote:
On October 10 2014 18:33 abuse wrote:
On October 10 2014 18:18 Rad wrote:
@abuse STOP with your insistence that claiming vet would be good here. If some newbie town vet reads your shit and claims just cause you said it's a good idea, I'm voting your ass immediately.

Scum can NOT know what the set up is at the moment. They REQUIRE knowing whether it was a vet or not to know what the setup is. All scum could possibly know that town doesn't is whether or not scum has a roleblocker. That's it. No other information has been revealed to give them any clue as to what the PRs are.



Now that I look at the setup better you are right that scum will know what the setup is if they know if there is a vet in the game.
Still, do you think giving them that information in exchange for receiving information ourselves is such a bad deal that you would vote a townie for this? Because that's not helping town. Also it's no good assuming that scum do not have a brain to have ideas as to what the setup could be right now, judging by other people's posts so far.
Scum's main job currently except for causing mislynches and staying hidden is finding PR's.

I like your rage though. +1 town point.


Why would scum have more of an idea than us. it's like you are trying to scare the pr or pr's into outing by saying mafia know who they are.

Does it not make sense to you why i am reading loaf as town now? I think Elvis is mafia and currently i refuse to believe that everyone who voted on Zen was town. Look how noone even tried to defend him or anything none of you guys even tried to get reads from Zen before he was lynched if he had ended up being mafia what would you have gone on to try and find his partner so no i refuse to think you can all be town so then i come to the logical conclusion that loaf is town.

So you arn't even going to consider elvis's possible slip anymore? Are you reading him town then?


Because scum have more information on their end, because they know what roles they are, so they know more what signs they should be looking for. And no it is not like I am trying to scare the PR's into outing, where the fuck did you get that idea? I am EXPLICITLY saying in pretty much all of my posts that other PR's should not out right now under any circumstances. This is precisely the reason why I am voting you now. You are making stuff up, while trying to paint me black. Currently there is no way in hell I am going to consider elvis a bigger scum than you. He did say that Zen was town before he was flipped, but as he himself explained, it IS possible that he just assumed that while trying to figure out what you as scum were thinking.
Every single one of your latest posts just paints you more and more as scum.


I disagree, i think that especially on D1 even if you can get a PR read on someone it is extremely hard to tell what PR they are so i don't see why you have any reason to say that you think that mafia probably knows who PRs are. Why mention this at all if not to scare town. I'm not making anything up, im not even reading you as mafia at the moment you are null for me i have no idea what you are doing but I really don't think both mafia would be the two main people to push on me because if i getting lynched i WILL flip town and it its going to look terrible for you two.

Why would he assume that at all then? This makes no sense if he assumed he was town in a read on my why is he in his scum. why is that scenario even going through his head.

Abuse I know for a fact that at least 2 of your 3 scum reads this game are wrong and i don't know if this is because you are mafia or confused town. Get out of your tunnel for a second and assume i am town or just take me out of this game completely. Who would be your scum reads?
Breshke
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October 10 2014 12:27 GMT
#515
That bolded part is horribly wrong sorry it is ment to say, This makes no sense if he assumed Zen was town to read me scum then why would he have him in his scumlist.

[quoteAlso it's no good assuming that scum do not have a brain to have ideas as to what the setup could be right now, judging by other people's posts so far.][/quote]

You said this and it makes no sense to me the only thing they know is if there is a role blocker or not.

I do agree that other people need to talk and ill be going to bed soon and hope to see content from others in the morning.
Breshke
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October 10 2014 21:24 GMT
#553
On October 10 2014 21:58 Elvis! wrote:
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On October 10 2014 21:27 Breshke wrote:
That bolded part is horribly wrong sorry it is ment to say, This makes no sense if he assumed Zen was town to read me scum then why would he have him in his scumlist.

[quoteAlso it's no good assuming that scum do not have a brain to have ideas as to what the setup could be right now, judging by other people's posts so far.]

You said this and it makes no sense to me the only thing they know is if there is a role blocker or not.

I do agree that other people need to talk and ill be going to bed soon and hope to see content from others in the morning.



Which leads to them knowing a lot about the setup.
If there is a Roleblocker, only 2 scenarios are possible:
Mafia Roleblocker Town Cop Town Doctor or
1-shot Bulletproof Townie Mafia Roleblocker Town Jailkeeper

So they would know that there cannot be a Tracker.

If they know there is no Roleblocker it can only be
Town Cop Mafia Goon Vanilla Townie or
Mafia Goon Town Doctor Town Tracker

So they would know that there cannot be a 1-shot Bulletproof Townie.

How does talking about this amount of information not make sense? It's very relevant how the situation would be after roleclaims, and if it might have advantages for the town.

Why do you refuse talking about all kinds of possible scenarios? It's not like there is an obvious answer to them.


To repeat:
Zen was not 100% scum for me at the time.
If someone isn't 100%, which since this is the game of mafia is extremely rare to happen, he must always be available to be seen as townie.
You don't want people to tunnel? Allow different perspectives.

This is the most interesting thing you have said on the topic:

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On October 10 2014 20:29 Breshke wrote:
Get out of your tunnel for a second and assume i am town or just take me out of this game completely. Who would be your scum reads?


This is exaclty what I did with Zen, getting him outside my tunnel and viewing as a weird, possible town.
Now this for you is a reason to call me scum, even though you want people to do EXACTLY that with you.
Whaaaaaaaaat?



So elvis i can know some stuff for a fact. I know im town and i know Zen was town. that is two of abuses scumreads. How can you have a problem with me saying that?

You know why you don't talk about the possible setups? Because it is mafias reactions to these posts that help them find PRs. We arn't even in mylo yet so unless a PR has useful information i don't see any point in talking about them,

It is still weird to me that Zen was your second biggest scum read even bigger than loaf who you had made a case on and yet you considered him town trying to use vote logic. The thing is that the vote logic there would have also worked if he was my scum buddy so i still don't see why you would use the world where you assume he is town.

I still think it was a slip. Also there are other reasons i am calling you scum. Your entire first post on me was bullshit. two of its main points were the vote on Zen and that i was causing chaos. I then called you out on the vote on Zen and you said that that point wasnt important it was more the causing chaso. I then ask you to show the quotes you promised that show i am causing chaos. What you come back with is sub par andyou never point out exactly where i am misleading town or causing chaos. So once again i will ask you Elvis Where was i causing chaos? Also who do you think my "scum" partner is?

FF i find that you are reading Elvis town because he has done the most work worrying. Abuse has done so much more than him and doesn't dodge my questions when I ask him to explain parts of his read.
Breshke
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October 10 2014 21:31 GMT
#556
On October 11 2014 06:26 Fecalfeast wrote:
2. I tried to find the post but I couldn't but from last game someone important (blazinghand I think?) said "The two people arguing are probably town, look to the people watching" in more or fewer words.


Shouldn't I then be town?
Breshke
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October 10 2014 21:44 GMT
#559
Yep sure am. What do you think he is? I am also worried about loaf being MIA.
Breshke
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October 10 2014 22:06 GMT
#561
In his first case on me he used a world assuming Zen was town to call me scum, still had Zen in his scumreads. Also said i was causing chaos and he would back it up with quotes. Had to ping him out to post quotes, posted quotes in no way was i causing chaos. still hasn't explained that so it looks like he was just grasping at straws.

I don't like summarizing it in this way because im probably forgetting stuff or w/e.

What is your opinion on how the Zen lynch went down?
Breshke
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October 10 2014 22:26 GMT
#563
The problem is if we lynch wrong today and loaf gets modkilled we just straight up lose barring more PR magic.
Breshke
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October 10 2014 22:27 GMT
#564
That should be "if loaf gets modkilled and is town'
Breshke
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October 10 2014 23:20 GMT
#573
Sorry i thought loaf hadn't spoken during this day phase. I've actually put a lot of effort into this so this phase feels like its gone on forever ignore the modkill shit.

Also about the people watching stuff yeah sure i agree people watching can probably be scum. I also agree people in the thick of it can also probably be scum.
Breshke
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October 10 2014 23:23 GMT
#577
I don't know fecal as i have said before im not sure which between the four that voted are probably mafia. I don't like how if you take out the lurkier people (superbia rad loaf), you have the least content. It doesn't feel like you were truly reading me as scum when you were calling me scum. That being said I want to see more from rad and superbia before i make my mind up on them.
Breshke
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October 11 2014 03:23 GMT
#591
FF i would like to hear more from you on different people if that would be okay.

Loaf we don't need vet to claim if we have one unless he is being lynched. The benifits do not out way the information it would give scum. Also have you looked into my case on Elvis at all? What do you think of it?

Also i will be away tonight but i will try wake up an hour or two before end of day but there is a high chance i won't. So if anyone has anything they need to sort out with me i would rather you do it sooner rather than later.
Breshke
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October 11 2014 05:41 GMT
#593
On October 11 2014 14:25 Fecalfeast wrote:
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On October 11 2014 12:23 Breshke wrote:
FF i would like to hear more from you on different people if that would be okay.

Loaf we don't need vet to claim if we have one unless he is being lynched. The benifits do not out way the information it would give scum. Also have you looked into my case on Elvis at all? What do you think of it?

Also i will be away tonight but i will try wake up an hour or two before end of day but there is a high chance i won't. So if anyone has anything they need to sort out with me i would rather you do it sooner rather than later.

I do not have time to just give a read on everyone. I have to take a foodsafe course early in the morning tomorrow.

Give me a name and i will filter dive them.


Superbia
Breshke
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October 11 2014 22:04 GMT
#737
I'm here and basically caught up guys.

Superbia please don't call me town for me not being here at EoD, i said i probably wouldn't make it so i don't think you can take it as being alignment indicative.

I don't even know what to say about the Elvis flip, my reads are garbage.
Breshke
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October 12 2014 00:50 GMT
#740
I'm happy to talk ff but it just feels like with the promises of knowledge bombs and the fact that roles will claim tomorrow that assessing everything right now isn't that useful.

That being it is looking more and more likely to me that the D1 vote may have contained two scum unless loaf is scum but like most people im finding it hard to read this guy. So i went and looked back to see why both mafia players would vote on a miss lynch D1 pairing themselves together. At the end of that vote superbia had two votes on him so it is very possible that if superbia is scum his partner jumped on the Zen wagon to ensure that a late swing in the votes wouldn't cause superbia to be lynched.

Fecal you were on the wagon fairly early and if you and superbia were scum together i still don't think that you would have started the game that way. Abuse and Rad both jumped on that wagon nearer the end of the day so they couldboth be options for superbias partner.

The problem here is i am still reading superbia as town hence why I am finding it hard to commit to reading people scum here knowing that tomorrow we will have so much more information.
Breshke
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October 12 2014 05:46 GMT
#742
On October 12 2014 14:23 loafery wrote:
anyone else find it odd that superbia and abuse singlehandedly lynched elvis?


What do you mean by this? Do you think they are both scum? One of them? Explain.
Breshke
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October 12 2014 21:16 GMT
#752
To be honest i will be really suprised if it is a JK because that means we have a role blocker aswell and no one admitting to being role blocked yesterday is a stretch.

I also thought i had a PR read on another player but superbias stuff on loaf seems much more convincing so i guess ill just see how it plays out.
Breshke
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October 12 2014 22:58 GMT
#758
On October 13 2014 07:35 Fecalfeast wrote:
Doesn't matter if rad helps me right now, or is actually mafia. I have my scumread and will ride this vote to the grave, I'm not sure about any of you anymore.

##vote loafery

If you are town this is terrible. You are just saying here you will never re evaluate. You arn't sure about anyone anymore but you have a scum read that you will ride to the grave i am not understanding you right now ff.
Breshke
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October 13 2014 05:15 GMT
#761
My tracks are

N1; Fecal Feast
N2; Abuse

Also ff i think you should realise that the lynch on superbia was probably to stop him from becoming confirmed town either by being vet or the jk/medic saying they used their power on him. I find it very interesting that you jump to the conclusion that it was done to frame you and bring it up that fast.
Breshke
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October 13 2014 06:06 GMT
#770
Sorry ff i just think it was weird you saying im so confused then being so sure on your read on loaf but i get what you mean more now after you explaining.

Loaf im fairly sure its a tracker because if it was a jail keeper/role blocker combo there would have been two people role blocked each night that STILL havn't claimed. Yes it's still possible because they didn't have to release this info but i find it highly doubtful.

On loaf, i don't get what he is doing this day.

On October 12 2014 14:23 loafery wrote:
anyone else find it odd that superbia and abuse singlehandedly lynched elvis?


Coming from the person who didn't even vote trying to push scum on the people who made the decision and if were mafia would cause them to be in the spotlight. Also the fact that abuse could have changed his vote to me hammering me who he had actively called scum all day makes me look at him as more towny.

On October 13 2014 14:38 loafery wrote:
I find it odd u guys think there is a definite tracker


I don't know what you are doing loaf but you are still such a question mark for me and it is D3 and if you are the PR I would rather you claim sooner rather than later because at least then i would have something to read you off

Breshke
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October 13 2014 07:02 GMT
#774
On October 13 2014 15:43 loafery wrote:
I don't like how you and abuse think there is a definite tracker and I don't know what you want with these hypo claims of tracking, to me they're useless. It's just hypothesis. What are we meant to achieve from this?

I don't like how abuse changed his vote last second which was the deciding vote in lynching elvis when he yea could have voted for you when he even wrote that case against you. To me it was just a pretend case because both of you are scum. And then abuse pretends to be indecisive at the end voting for bresh first then finally settling on elvis who eventually got lynched and was town.

It's no surprise on d1 when you 2 pretend to defend zen in words but come upwith an excuse to vote for him anyway. All you 2 have been doing is making fake cases then eventually following superbia's votes and making him look bad because you guys knew he was the vet and you guys wanted to lynch him.

But something happened at night and superbia claimed vet so you had to kill him at night. Or else you could have kept him alive and either lynched him or claimed vet and tracker yourselves and have a 50/50. You guys know there is a tracker and you guys are so sure of it because you guys don't have a roleblocker between you and only have 2 goons.


What are you so afraid of? I'm not sure there is a ton of information to get from it but abuse seems to so I want to see what he will get out of it? Or can you not answer because you haven't been trying to find scum all game because you don't have to.

Also it seems abundantly apparent you are not a PR. Also as loaf pointed out your first few posts into the game you seemed to talk about lynching vt's and getting them to claim as if you weren't one of them. So if you arn't a PR and you arn't VT plain and simple you must be mafia.

Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
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October 13 2014 07:03 GMT
#775
Also did you read why i said i thought there was a tracker or did you choose to ignore it?
Breshke
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October 13 2014 07:13 GMT
#782
On October 13 2014 16:10 loafery wrote:
why would anyone say they were roleblocked? They'd be giving their role away and mafia would kill them instantly

Your logic that no one claimed they were roleblocked = there has to be tracker is flawed.

You know there is a tracker because you guys don't have a mafia roleblocker and you 2 are just normal mafia goons.


No sir, even as a VT i believe you get the notification saying you were role blocked so saying you were role blocked does not out your role.
Breshke
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October 13 2014 07:24 GMT
#790
On October 13 2014 16:20 Fecalfeast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2014 16:13 Breshke wrote:
On October 13 2014 16:10 loafery wrote:
why would anyone say they were roleblocked? They'd be giving their role away and mafia would kill them instantly

Your logic that no one claimed they were roleblocked = there has to be tracker is flawed.

You know there is a tracker because you guys don't have a mafia roleblocker and you 2 are just normal mafia goons.


No sir, even as a VT i believe you get the notification saying you were role blocked so saying you were role blocked does not out your role.

Claiming VT is like 5x worse than me saying I'm not the tracker, btw. At least there's ambiguity to what I am. You are now either VT or scum.


Nope you are misunderstanding my post entirely. What i got from loaf was that he was saying you would only know you are roleblocked if you are a PR i was saying that no you would infact know aswell if you are VT. Also you claiming not tracker could be claiming VT to mafia. If they don't have a role blocker they now know you are VT so i don't see why you did this because you yourself explained why it is bad.
Breshke
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October 13 2014 07:28 GMT
#798
On October 10 2014 14:21 abuse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2014 06:39 Superbia wrote:
We don't claim PRs here. We also don't claim whether you got blocked or whatever. I'll find some scum after ESL is done.


that we most definitely do claim.


So if that's how you thought the role blocking thing worked why did you not ping abuse out for this post?
Breshke
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October 13 2014 07:41 GMT
#812
On October 13 2014 16:37 loafery wrote:
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On October 13 2014 16:26 abuse wrote:
On October 13 2014 16:10 loafery wrote:
why would anyone say they were roleblocked? They'd be giving their role away and mafia would kill them instantly

Your logic that no one claimed they were roleblocked = there has to be tracker is flawed.

You know there is a tracker because you guys don't have a mafia roleblocker and you 2 are just normal mafia goons.


even if you are a vanilla townie, you still get notified if you get roleblocked.
your logic is flawed.

also you are scum.


don't patronize me and other players by making up this rule.

My claim that bresh and abuse is scum are even more strenghtened by the fact that you 2 have a united front about this roleblocking business. Don't know how you 2 can agree on this roleblocking issue when it's blatantly clear that you don't get notified when you get rolevlocked. I have never in my life heard of anyone being notified. You're meant to deduce whether or not you were.


Nope its because the game in which abuse says he was roleblocked as VT i was also in it and can vouch for what he says until the mod confirms it. Seriously feel free to go back and look at it it was the last newbie game before this one.
Breshke
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October 13 2014 07:43 GMT
#815
On October 13 2014 16:41 loafery wrote:
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On October 13 2014 16:36 abuse wrote:
On October 13 2014 16:34 Fecalfeast wrote:
Could you imagine if we had a jk, he save super night 1, then super got RB'd and killed in the same night, with elvis as the night 1 rb target; not claiming because super said not to?

Mind would explode.


we would have someone claiming to be roleblocked or jailed today.


you guys are making silly excuses to cover up you're slipup


I am going to explode can you just wait until the mod confirms what we are saying until you push for your scum win. The thing is I can still see a team of rad and ff/maybe abuse
Breshke
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October 13 2014 07:51 GMT
#826
On October 13 2014 16:48 Fecalfeast wrote:
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On October 13 2014 16:45 abuse wrote:
Breshke, no.
loafery is 100% scum now. he is pushing his case which he has none at all stronger than anything he has done this entire game.
The question is who is the other scum, and it will be answered when EVERYONE FKING HYPOCLAIMS THEIR TRACKS.

If you read any posts today, read breshke pushing me still, since day 1, with no evidence.

Remember this tomorrow after we kill loaf.


Trying to applying pressure to people so scummy right.
Breshke
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October 13 2014 07:52 GMT
#829
On October 13 2014 16:51 loafery wrote:
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On October 13 2014 16:40 abuse wrote:
On October 13 2014 16:37 loafery wrote:
On October 13 2014 16:26 abuse wrote:
On October 13 2014 16:10 loafery wrote:
why would anyone say they were roleblocked? They'd be giving their role away and mafia would kill them instantly

Your logic that no one claimed they were roleblocked = there has to be tracker is flawed.

You know there is a tracker because you guys don't have a mafia roleblocker and you 2 are just normal mafia goons.


even if you are a vanilla townie, you still get notified if you get roleblocked.
your logic is flawed.

also you are scum.


don't patronize me and other players by making up this rule.

My claim that bresh and abuse is scum are even more strenghtened by the fact that you 2 have a united front about this roleblocking business. Don't know how you 2 can agree on this roleblocking issue when it's blatantly clear that you don't get notified when you get rolevlocked. I have never in my life heard of anyone being notified. You're meant to deduce whether or not you were.


You do know that what you're doing now is completely useless because at one point a mod will come here and say that I am correct?


you're making everyone focus on this one fact to try and discredit everything I've said when the other reasons don't depend on this rule at all.


You are scum reading me and abuse basically solely off this and you say accuse him of focusing on it....
Breshke
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October 13 2014 07:56 GMT
#834
Because i see the world doesn't mean i am living in it. I havn't voted yet because I am still waiting for a certain interaction and it would really help if Rad would come back to the thread anytime soon. Right know i 100% agree with the vote on loaf. Look how much more effort he is putting in know to push a lynch. He has been happy to sit back and watch us lynch towns until he needs to go for the win.
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
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October 13 2014 08:00 GMT
#837
Also to anyone thinking me and abuse are partners

On October 12 2014 05:58 abuse wrote:
## VOTE : Breshke

too late I guess.
If people are willing to last second switch to elvis, I'd support.


This was posted very late D2 when superbia and abuse were deciding who to lynch. Abuse posted this before seeing superbia go on Elvis. Why if we were partners would he try make a late swing in the votes for me
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
October 13 2014 08:08 GMT
#846
So it is just me and abuse pushing on you? Are you not reading anything fecal obviously thinks you are mafia as well.
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
October 13 2014 08:15 GMT
#848
FF why did you feel the need to say that the kill on superbia was trying to frame you instead of waiting and actually seeing if someone would try and bring this up as a reason for you being scum. I feel like bringing it up makes you seem like a mafia trying to not die and not bringing it up could have caused you to get an easy mafia read.

Before you freak out, im not necessarily reading you scum. Towns can do scummy stuff as well.
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
October 13 2014 09:01 GMT
#858
Abuse from your point of view who do you think loafs partner is? If you want to wait for your tracker stuff to answer this that's fine.
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
October 13 2014 11:41 GMT
#864
On October 13 2014 20:22 loafery wrote:
Rad ff vote breshke

breshke and abuse arent going to change their votes because they know i know they are scum.

If u want a day 4 vote breshke. Those two are only concerned about lynching only me when they should be thinking about the second mafia. If I die town loses the game.

I sometimes hate mafia when you have to convince other players i guess thats part of ur skill but they are scum just read my initial post claiming them scum. Mafia are in a better position right now. If one townie votes wrong 2 scum can just bandwagon that vote at the end so plz vote bresh if ur town. We cant have split votes today.


If you are going to try and call me scum can you at least not lie. I am not even voting you at the moment because i am intentionally waiting to see what Rad has to say for himself.

The way i see it one of two things is going to happen when rad is caught up one scenario is auto for me the other less so.

Loaf you are so obviously scummy you are saying me and abuse arnt changing our votes but i don't even have a vote up right now. You are obviously voting me because you think i am an easier misslynch than abuse would be. So explain why you are voting me and not abuse. heres hoping you dig an even bigger hole for yourself.
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
October 14 2014 00:27 GMT
#874
Loaf understand this. I said i assumed it was a tracker and not a JK because of reasons o do with noone claiming role blocked. I don't know if abuse agreed with me or has his own reasons but he seemed to also assume it is a tracker. You flipped your shit at this saying we knew the setup as we were mafia and that's why we assumed it was a tracker. You then didn't listen to any explanations whatsoever and seem to be 100% convinced that me and abuse are scum which isn't true i am town. Seriously even if you think i am scum look back on the game do you really think abuse of anyone could be my partner

You're not looking at this from an objective angle like ff and I have no idea why rad is being so inac lately but we still have a day so no worries.


Explain to me how ff is looking at this from an objective angle? He said he is 100% voting you and you are the top of his lynch list so if you are town i don't see why you are so okay with him. You are almost making it too obvious he is your scum partner by completely ignoring his push on you. Why are you so sure it is me and abuse why arn't you looking at ff at all? But i do agree that rad has been inactive lately and i understand he has reasons but it i making me really paranoid.
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
October 14 2014 04:13 GMT
#879
Rad what is your opinion on loafs play today? Does it not feel like to you he id going for the win? I know you think loaf and abuse could be partners but couldn't it be loaf and ff aswell? Loaf has completely ignored ff's push on him like he doesnt need to worry about it.

I am still reading abuse as town one of the reasons is him voting Elvis and not me. both of them would have been a miss lynch so as mafia it probably would have looked far better for him to just lynch me as he had made the first and most well rounded case on me.

Abuse what did you get from the hypo tracker claims? Is this information you want to share today because i think you might have to end up doing it either way.
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
October 14 2014 05:02 GMT
#889
On October 14 2014 13:31 Fecalfeast wrote:
Uh, so wait... Because loaf is going for the win... I am his scum partner by... Pushing him... And him not caring...

What? Run that by me one more time? Would I not be pushing you and helping. It looked to me like there was a lot of easy pressure on you so I could hop on and help loaf go for the win, oh wait no it didn't because I'm not scum and didn't push you... That makes me scum by association.


What are you saying bresh?


Yes loaf has been hardly active all game and then know seems convinced that it is me and abuse. He has even gone as far to imply that if we lynch abuse today we have to make sure to lynch me tomorrow. This was really strange to me because why didn't he say this to you fecal about lynching abuse tomorrow. You obviously had a town read on abuse yet he wasn't thinking about tomorrow at all when trying to get people to vote on me.

It also would have looked extremely weird if you started pushing on me since you had already stated a 100% read on loaf so you would have been voting alongside your 100% scum. Yes it was mainly a scum by association, whats wrong with this how is it a scumtell quit the bullshit scum has partners and will act differently towards them.
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
October 14 2014 05:15 GMT
#891
On October 14 2014 14:00 Rad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2014 13:13 Breshke wrote:
I am still reading abuse as town one of the reasons is him voting Elvis and not me. both of them would have been a miss lynch so as mafia it probably would have looked far better for him to just lynch me as he had made the first and most well rounded case on me.


Abuse voted you, then switched to elvis following superbia (remember we now know that superbia's move was a town move). Scum doesn't care who gets lynched as long as it's town and this opened an opportunity for superbia to take the fall d3 (until of course he started openly considering abuse as scum). In fact, a scum abuse HAD to follow superbia here or risk losing superbia as the scapegoat. That + what I saw as a townie fight between you and elvis is what really pushes me more to believe abuse is scum and you're town.


What makes you think it was a townie fight? Like is there any specific parts? Also if this is your view on it why didn't you oppose the bandwagaons on that day more. Also i know this isn't being discussed anymore really but i think it's important. The second shot on superbia doesn't feel as important to me as I feel like mafia was forced into it as he would have gotten confirmed. Why Rad do you think superbia was shot D1. I know im town so his last reads list had me and Zen as both scum which is wrong. So why was he shot?

Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
October 14 2014 07:25 GMT
#897
Abuse if you are town the scum team is 100% loaf and ff you need to understand this. Seriously show me reasons why fecal is town.
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
October 14 2014 07:34 GMT
#899
Fecal what is wrong with what i just said there?
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
October 14 2014 07:37 GMT
#902
w/e idc you are very likely mafia here it is 2/3 of you abuse and loaf and I have been reading abuse town most of the game and still do. I'm basically just waiting for rad to come and weigh in again.
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
October 14 2014 07:47 GMT
#905
Ok the dream of not having our tracker outed isn't going to happen. Abuse you assume it is either me or rad that is the tracker i had the same thought about you. If it isn't you then it is Rad.

I know you said one of us scum one tracker but do you really think i wouldn't take that easy fake claim if i was mafia.
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
October 14 2014 08:01 GMT
#907
On October 14 2014 16:52 abuse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2014 16:47 Breshke wrote:
Ok the dream of not having our tracker outed isn't going to happen. Abuse you assume it is either me or rad that is the tracker i had the same thought about you. If it isn't you then it is Rad.

I know you said one of us scum one tracker but do you really think i wouldn't take that easy fake claim if i was mafia.


So you are saying you are definitely not tracker.
Crap.
Well then it's either FF or Rad, so Rad is the clear for now, he's just not as bright of a cookie as I thought.
Either way, loaf is 100% scum.
Hopefully rad stops being... like this, after loaf flips.
Can find the last scum tomorrow after the NK, which will give us tons of info.


No FF has claimed not the tracker remember. Like I know i could have tried to play this off for you rad but like I feel it is too risky and would get to confusing for town considering how hard i can be to understand sometimes.

Abuse explain to me why if you are town then ff goes on his partner instantly at the start of the day.
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
October 14 2014 08:32 GMT
#918
Abuse you do realise tracking the same eprson both nights isn't that donkey. It isn't like cop mafia chooses who does the night actions so a mafia report saying no actions or w/e doesn't mean they are green. I think Rad's list was believable and wouldn't be surprised if it was the real one.

Also Rad you need to take this into perspective. Abuse thought i was tracker. Let's assume he is mafia. He thinks i tracked him N2 so his partner was 100% the one who submitted the night action. This means whoever you tracked if they came back no action or whatever they are very very very likely not abuses partner. So this kind of makes the lynch easy for today. Whoever you tracked last night cannot be abuses partner. This means if you tracked ff or loaf we lynch the one you didn't track as they are confirmed mafia.

I hope this makes sense i can explain it if needed.
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
October 14 2014 08:45 GMT
#927
On October 14 2014 17:39 abuse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2014 17:32 Breshke wrote:
Abuse you do realise tracking the same eprson both nights isn't that donkey. It isn't like cop mafia chooses who does the night actions so a mafia report saying no actions or w/e doesn't mean they are green. I think Rad's list was believable and wouldn't be surprised if it was the real one.

Also Rad you need to take this into perspective. Abuse thought i was tracker. Let's assume he is mafia. He thinks i tracked him N2 so his partner was 100% the one who submitted the night action. This means whoever you tracked if they came back no action or whatever they are very very very likely not abuses partner. So this kind of makes the lynch easy for today. Whoever you tracked last night cannot be abuses partner. This means if you tracked ff or loaf we lynch the one you didn't track as they are confirmed mafia.

I hope this makes sense i can explain it if needed.


your point only makes sense if I am scum, and I am not scum.
Also I do not believe at all that what he said were his tracks were his actual tracks. I don't believe he would track the same person twice.

No abuse because if you arn't scum lynching in ff and loaf would still be a confirmed scum how can you not see this? Seriously we can confirm the game doesn't end today.
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
October 14 2014 08:51 GMT
#930
On October 14 2014 17:50 abuse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2014 17:45 Breshke wrote:
On October 14 2014 17:39 abuse wrote:
On October 14 2014 17:32 Breshke wrote:
Abuse you do realise tracking the same eprson both nights isn't that donkey. It isn't like cop mafia chooses who does the night actions so a mafia report saying no actions or w/e doesn't mean they are green. I think Rad's list was believable and wouldn't be surprised if it was the real one.

Also Rad you need to take this into perspective. Abuse thought i was tracker. Let's assume he is mafia. He thinks i tracked him N2 so his partner was 100% the one who submitted the night action. This means whoever you tracked if they came back no action or whatever they are very very very likely not abuses partner. So this kind of makes the lynch easy for today. Whoever you tracked last night cannot be abuses partner. This means if you tracked ff or loaf we lynch the one you didn't track as they are confirmed mafia.

I hope this makes sense i can explain it if needed.


your point only makes sense if I am scum, and I am not scum.
Also I do not believe at all that what he said were his tracks were his actual tracks. I don't believe he would track the same person twice.

No abuse because if you arn't scum lynching in ff and loaf would still be a confirmed scum how can you not see this? Seriously we can confirm the game doesn't end today.


I don't understand this.


Do you or do you not think I am town.
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
October 14 2014 08:57 GMT
#933
On October 14 2014 17:52 abuse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2014 17:51 Breshke wrote:
On October 14 2014 17:50 abuse wrote:
On October 14 2014 17:45 Breshke wrote:
On October 14 2014 17:39 abuse wrote:
On October 14 2014 17:32 Breshke wrote:
Abuse you do realise tracking the same eprson both nights isn't that donkey. It isn't like cop mafia chooses who does the night actions so a mafia report saying no actions or w/e doesn't mean they are green. I think Rad's list was believable and wouldn't be surprised if it was the real one.

Also Rad you need to take this into perspective. Abuse thought i was tracker. Let's assume he is mafia. He thinks i tracked him N2 so his partner was 100% the one who submitted the night action. This means whoever you tracked if they came back no action or whatever they are very very very likely not abuses partner. So this kind of makes the lynch easy for today. Whoever you tracked last night cannot be abuses partner. This means if you tracked ff or loaf we lynch the one you didn't track as they are confirmed mafia.

I hope this makes sense i can explain it if needed.


your point only makes sense if I am scum, and I am not scum.
Also I do not believe at all that what he said were his tracks were his actual tracks. I don't believe he would track the same person twice.

No abuse because if you arn't scum lynching in ff and loaf would still be a confirmed scum how can you not see this? Seriously we can confirm the game doesn't end today.


I don't understand this.


Do you or do you not think I am town.


I do think you are town, yes.


Do you think Rad is town
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
October 14 2014 09:25 GMT
#948
On October 14 2014 18:13 abuse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2014 17:57 Breshke wrote:
On October 14 2014 17:52 abuse wrote:
On October 14 2014 17:51 Breshke wrote:
On October 14 2014 17:50 abuse wrote:
On October 14 2014 17:45 Breshke wrote:
On October 14 2014 17:39 abuse wrote:
On October 14 2014 17:32 Breshke wrote:
Abuse you do realise tracking the same eprson both nights isn't that donkey. It isn't like cop mafia chooses who does the night actions so a mafia report saying no actions or w/e doesn't mean they are green. I think Rad's list was believable and wouldn't be surprised if it was the real one.

Also Rad you need to take this into perspective. Abuse thought i was tracker. Let's assume he is mafia. He thinks i tracked him N2 so his partner was 100% the one who submitted the night action. This means whoever you tracked if they came back no action or whatever they are very very very likely not abuses partner. So this kind of makes the lynch easy for today. Whoever you tracked last night cannot be abuses partner. This means if you tracked ff or loaf we lynch the one you didn't track as they are confirmed mafia.

I hope this makes sense i can explain it if needed.


your point only makes sense if I am scum, and I am not scum.
Also I do not believe at all that what he said were his tracks were his actual tracks. I don't believe he would track the same person twice.

No abuse because if you arn't scum lynching in ff and loaf would still be a confirmed scum how can you not see this? Seriously we can confirm the game doesn't end today.


I don't understand this.


Do you or do you not think I am town.


I do think you are town, yes.


Do you think Rad is town


Yes I do, please get to the point already D:


Okay fuck it i'm writing it all out again I don't care that Rad said don't talk about tracker stuff because i think we are in a terrible position with two of the people i think are town fighting with each other.

So abuse you thought i was the tracker even though i had said i tracked you last night in my hypo. So unless you had thought about this otherwise it sets up two worlds.

1. You are not mafia therefore ff and loaf are scum

2. You are scum and your partner world 2.1 being ff and 2.2 being loaf submitted the night action. We then look to what the tracker did as it is fairly obvious the tracker hasn't got a hit.

2.1 The tracker tracked loaf and got that he didn't follow anyone. As it is semi confirmed that you abuse didn't submit the night action for the above logic this means that ff must be the one who submitted the night action and is mafia

2.2The tracker tracked ff and got that he didn't follow anyone. Same as 2.1 except loaf must be scum

Of course there is he world where the tracker tracked neither loaf or ff but i don't think that is the case.


Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
October 14 2014 09:33 GMT
#951
##Vote: loafery

Quoting what i say and then writing scum a bunch of times with some other words. I think my logic is great unless abuse has like 10 steps ahead of me.
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
October 14 2014 09:44 GMT
#956
Fecal just so i know where your head is at. Who are you saying is loafs partner?
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
October 14 2014 09:54 GMT
#958
On October 14 2014 18:47 Fecalfeast wrote:
Breshke. I was saying you are. Today is for lynching scum. We discuss the other scum tomorrow when we know we get to play tomorrow. My second scum is less important right now.

For real i should be asleep


Yeah that's cool i know it isn't as important but it is good for information. So i will try wake up earlier than normal so i am here at least 2 hours before deadline. I will still be around for a while longer if anyone else is.

Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
October 14 2014 19:50 GMT
#963
Abuse what were you planning to get out of the tacker hypos?
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
October 14 2014 19:52 GMT
#965
On October 15 2014 04:50 Fecalfeast wrote:
Okay so Loaf/Rad scumteam?

So many options...


That is the one exact team it is impossible to be.
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
October 14 2014 19:58 GMT
#969
Why if you are town are you role hunting not scum hunting
.
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
October 14 2014 20:03 GMT
#974
On October 15 2014 04:59 Rad wrote:
@abuse

I get that Breshke thinks you're town based on your play. I'm asking for the scenarios in which it makes most sense that you're town based on how things have played out. For example, loaf/fecal scumteam requires a retarded play. Pushing your scum partner the whole game is not impossible to do as scum and is actually the ideal thing to do.

Loaf is in 1 scenario, breshke's in 2, fecal's in 2, you're in 3. Get it?


But not based on how many scenarios but based on play who do you think scum is? I think ff could easily bus loaf at the start of the day as he isn't the most useful scum partner. Also it seems kind of likely when you look at how loaf reacted to his push, the fact that he hardly acknowledged it even saying he was town because he was looking at it "objectivly", even though ff said he was riding the vote to the grave.
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
October 14 2014 20:30 GMT
#977
##Vote:Abuse

I have to vote with my biggest town read, town can't be split urgh my gut is telling me this is wrong but im horrible so who knows. Also where is loaf?
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
October 14 2014 20:32 GMT
#980
Shit ##Unvote
##Vote: Abuse

Sorry for doing that again
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
October 14 2014 20:36 GMT
#986
Rad have you looked to my logic about getting a basically confirmed scum today?
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
October 14 2014 20:38 GMT
#988
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/466626-newbie-mini-mafia-lix?page=48#948
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
October 14 2014 20:44 GMT
#992
On October 15 2014 05:42 abuse wrote:
Now I know how jenny felt.... :D


Urgh don't try guilt me please even if i vote for loaf a scum will switch to you if you are town because loaf and rad arn't both scum this is the only path we can possibly win from.
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
October 14 2014 20:57 GMT
#999
On October 15 2014 05:55 Rad wrote:
In the case of an abuse/breshke scum team, it's best for breshke to do exactly what you two are doing right now. However, you'd also want to implicate him here if you're not a scum team.

Game is hard =/


You think it's hard for you. I still think it is loaf+fecal but i can't not vote with you urgh i just want this to be over.
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
October 14 2014 21:03 GMT
#1013
Sorry abuse i fucked up that was dumb, fecal could have hammered you anyway but still urgh.
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
October 14 2014 21:21 GMT
#1029
On October 15 2014 06:14 Barakos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2014 06:08 abuse wrote:
On October 15 2014 06:03 Barakos wrote:
Congratz scum.

For the ones interested: Obs-QT

http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/avN5b425C5Va


you bish you called me "the bad town"


Yeah, that was kinda uncalled for, sorry.

I didn't read much of the game after your case on breshke and me calling you bad was mainly based on that case.
Now, that I read a bit of the game it was pretty clear, lone meant loaf, but that's hindsight.

Your case on Breshke still was bad. :p


Was it bad? It seems that i am fairly hard to understand i think i need to take more time with my posts hopefully I improved from last game though.
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
October 14 2014 21:58 GMT
#1037
On October 15 2014 06:57 Fecalfeast wrote:
Also zen man with the superpower scum reads


No joke his last post he has the exact team.
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