The Blue role and Mafia roles will be randomly generated.
Instant-majority lynch.
Silent Nights.
Voting:
All voting is done in-thread. Standard formatting (##Vote: <Player>).
A player is lynched as soon as he reaches a clean majority of votes.
After a player is lynched, no posting is allowed until the next daypost.
72-hour lynch deadline on Day 1. No deadline for Day 2 and beyond.
If I feel a day is dragging on too long, I will set a lynch-deadline for that day.
House Rules:
I am lenient about in-thread behavior - Mafia is an emotional game. You will be warned if you cross the line. You will be modkilled/replaced if you cross it again. (If I have to resort to this, I assure you that you've made an ass of yourself.)
Also, game will be going up 1 hour earlier than planned. I have to step out in a bit, so I'll just put up the day post and make it a 79 hour day instead.
The rows upon rows of suburban houses, the well kept gardens, a tricycle at the end of the first driveway… all seemed as usual on this tranquil night in Liquidia. Yet a faint smell of burning leather and a puff of smoke could be seen from the third house, and this ominous smell pierced the sense of normality.
Sitting in her room, Amiko was immediately shaken by the smell. She peered down the staircase, then slowly descended towards the crackling fire.
“I took care of Marv.” said Artanis, prodding the flames of the fireplace. Amiko could barely make out a blue wallet in the fireplace, slowly being engulfed by flames. Both husband and wife were solemn and stiff, watching the leather turn to ash.
“And the letter… did you find-”, Amiko nervously blurted. “I found it.” Artanis interrupted. “It’s in my pocket.”
“Burn it!” Amiko shouted, “That letter will be the end of us!”
Still staring at the fireplace, Artanis coldly and robotically shook his head side to side. “No. This letter will keep us together.”
Stiff and colorless, Amiko slowly turned around. She could barely summoned the courage to move up those creaky stairs… step by step by step.
It is now Day 1. The day will end in , or as soon as 5 votes on one person are reached.
When I got the PM telling me I was town, it felt like a five thousand pound weight was lifted off my chest. Thank fucking christ. See, rolling scum too much lately had really taken its toll. The constant lies rot my soul from the inside out. So, thanks for the quickie, Lady Luck. Though I doubt she’ll stay the night.
Fast forward a few hours and I already have a townread, but it’s dirty.
Cavalinho, or if you want to go by his preferred alias, ObiWanShinobi. He hangs around me a lot. He's a likeable kid, innocent, fresh-faced, but he's been dealt a tough lot in forum mafia. Scumgame after scumgame game, loss after loss. I'be been watching madness starting to creep between his bewildered tridots.
Being the newbie that he is, he broke the rules. That's why the read feels dirty.
On July 16 2014 04:07 ObiWanShinobi wrote: start faster.
i am going to win the fuck out of this game.
His weak, belabored heart couldn't muster this enthusiasm if he rolled scum. It would deflate like his birthday party's helium balloons.
It seems clear to me that it's time for an RNG lynch.
So here's what happens
1) you all will follow me since I'm the best player here
2) I will lynch the guy via RNG as determined by this post (the one you're reading right now)'s post count modulo 9. Since so many people are posting at once on TL it's impossible for us to know what's going down. I've done this before. It works. If you don't know what "modulo" means or how my rng lynch works after this explantion, you are not mathematically and educationally qualified to claim that this lynch is not RNG.
For RNG, this post will be used for generating a random lynch. The # in the upper left corner can be right-clicked and used to access the absolute TL post # for this post. That number mod 9 is the random lynch. 1 =Oats, 2 = rayn, etc, all the way up to 8 = holyflare and 0 = sloosh.
The reason we use the absolute TL post number is that posts are constantly being made, so the number is truly random. We turn it into a number 1-9 by taking that number mod 9. What is mod? effectively, it's the remainder after division. For example. 10 mod 9 = 1. 11 mod 9 = 2. 18 mod 9 = 0. 19 mod 9 = 1. and so on.
Basically, this generates a random number 1 through 9. I am in favor of the random lynch (though am somewhat interested in a policy lynch today as well-- TL does not do this enough. I will start off by voting for the random lynched based on THIS POST.
there is no force on earth that can persuade me that RNG lynch is sub-optimal. bow before the RNG lynch. behold its glory and its horror and all of its majesty
Zz why does that kind of question get interpreted as role fishing every time I was just asking that because there was literally nothing else going on lol
On July 16 2014 14:30 Sylencia wrote: Zz why does that kind of question get interpreted as role fishing every time I was just asking that because there was literally nothing else going on lol
So, Sylencia, I see you're not voting Robik. What, exactly, is your objection to RNG lynching that you're so afraid to specify?
On July 16 2014 14:30 Sylencia wrote: Zz why does that kind of question get interpreted as role fishing every time I was just asking that because there was literally nothing else going on lol
So, Sylencia, I see you're not voting Robik. What, exactly, is your objection to RNG lynching that you're so afraid to specify?
how do we know you havent withdrawn yourself from the rng pool?
On July 16 2014 14:30 Sylencia wrote: Zz why does that kind of question get interpreted as role fishing every time I was just asking that because there was literally nothing else going on lol
So, Sylencia, I see you're not voting Robik. What, exactly, is your objection to RNG lynching that you're so afraid to specify?
how do we know you havent withdrawn yourself from the rng pool?
it's mathematically impossible for me to withdraw someone from the rng pool... it's modulo 9. 22604770 mod 9 is 1.
On July 16 2014 14:30 Sylencia wrote: Zz why does that kind of question get interpreted as role fishing every time I was just asking that because there was literally nothing else going on lol
So, Sylencia, I see you're not voting Robik. What, exactly, is your objection to RNG lynching that you're so afraid to specify?
how do we know you havent withdrawn yourself from the rng pool?
it's mathematically impossible for me to withdraw someone from the rng pool... it's modulo 9. 22604770 mod 9 is 1.
On July 16 2014 14:30 Sylencia wrote: Zz why does that kind of question get interpreted as role fishing every time I was just asking that because there was literally nothing else going on lol
i can understand that.
but its hard to look at that question and come to the conclusion that youre doing anything but rolefishing without it.
OK Blazinghand is more convincing. lets ##unvote and ##vote iamrobik
The type of rando matters. Cryptographically random randolynches are 100% certified legit. I propose we institute this method as an official standard for random lynch in Liquidian law.
On July 16 2014 14:30 Sylencia wrote: Zz why does that kind of question get interpreted as role fishing every time I was just asking that because there was literally nothing else going on lol
i can understand that.
but its hard to look at that question and come to the conclusion that youre doing anything but rolefishing without it.
i take it you ask this question a lot?
Nah probably my 2nd or 3rd time now. IIRC the last time I asked it was a semi-closed setup and even the remote mention of setup speculation in the first few hours was met with hostility... At least that's how I remember it, it was like 6 months ago when I last played.
On July 16 2014 14:49 gobbledydook wrote: OK Blazinghand is more convincing. lets ##unvote and ##vote iamrobik
The type of rando matters. Cryptographically random randolynches are 100% certified legit. I propose we institute this method as an official standard for random lynch in Liquidian law.
On July 16 2014 15:08 IAmRobik wrote: Also, BH, are you such shit tier that you think that rando lynching is better than your chances of leading a lynch against someone who's mafia?
sounds like someone is like triple-S tier salty he got hit by rng lynch as scum! :D
On July 16 2014 14:49 gobbledydook wrote: OK Blazinghand is more convincing. lets ##unvote and ##vote iamrobik
The type of rando matters. Cryptographically random randolynches are 100% certified legit. I propose we institute this method as an official standard for random lynch in Liquidian law.
more convincing than what, exactly?
Your rando lynch is not demonstrably cryptographically random and hence I reject it in favour of the cryptographically random one proposed by Blazinghand.
man I gotta say i'm glad you're in favor of rng lynch but this isn't cryptography based except insofar as remainders, division, and modulus are concepts used by like all sorts of math, including cryptography. it is random though
On July 16 2014 15:20 Sylencia wrote: Mafia players are lynched 25.3% of the time on day one.
Wow, we're only at a 3% disadvantage compared to putting in effort (on average) :D
I'd also, erm, take a look at the player list and ask if we're gonna be in the half of games that's above the average, or the half of games that's below average
I'm positive that I'm town. Looks like a lot of people are ready to mislynch me. This makes me sad as I've never been mislynched in forum mafia...hell, i've never been lynched as mafia either...but i'm town in this game, so it would be a mislynch.
On July 16 2014 15:29 IAmRobik wrote: I'm positive that I'm town. Looks like a lot of people are ready to mislynch me. This makes me sad as I've never been mislynched in forum mafia...hell, i've never been lynched as mafia either...but i'm town in this game, so it would be a mislynch.
2 more people voting me ensures a towny gets lynched d1. If anyone thinks that's pro-town, feel free to vote me. If you decide that you don't want to be donkey dicks and want to refrain from lynching town, feel free to unvote me. the sooner the better.
On July 16 2014 15:30 IAmRobik wrote: 2 more people voting me ensures a towny gets lynched d1. If anyone thinks that's pro-town, feel free to vote me. If you decide that you don't want to be donkey dicks and want to refrain from lynching town, feel free to unvote me. the sooner the better.
wow clearly global warming is raising sea levels cause you're so salty
honestly iamrobik even if I hadn't rnged you, after this last series of posts there's zero chance i'm not voting you. are you kidding me lol you think anyone's gonna buy that fake anger crap
On July 16 2014 15:29 IAmRobik wrote: I'm positive that I'm town. Looks like a lot of people are ready to mislynch me. This makes me sad as I've never been mislynched in forum mafia...hell, i've never been lynched as mafia either...but i'm town in this game, so it would be a mislynch.
such convince many defense wow
You're saying you get a free pass because no one lynches you??
On July 16 2014 15:29 IAmRobik wrote: I'm positive that I'm town. Looks like a lot of people are ready to mislynch me. This makes me sad as I've never been mislynched in forum mafia...hell, i've never been lynched as mafia either...but i'm town in this game, so it would be a mislynch.
such convince many defense wow
You're saying you get a free pass because no one lynches you??
I... what? is there actually a person who doesn't know about doge? ok, i'll play along. in plain speech: i'm being sarcastic in the quoted post. It's doge meme. I don't think robik's defense i actually reasonable, i'm making fun of it.
On July 16 2014 15:29 IAmRobik wrote: I'm positive that I'm town. Looks like a lot of people are ready to mislynch me. This makes me sad as I've never been mislynched in forum mafia...hell, i've never been lynched as mafia either...but i'm town in this game, so it would be a mislynch.
such convince many defense wow
You're saying you get a free pass because no one lynches you??
I... what? is there actually a person who doesn't know about doge? ok, i'll play along. in plain speech: i'm being sarcastic in the quoted post. It's doge meme. I don't think robik's defense i actually reasonable, i'm making fun of it.
I was referring to robiks post as not making any point. Not yours, I get what you mean.
So let's have a recap of what's been said and done:
BH RNGs robik to lynch, obi and me vote him to see what happens. robik becomes defensive and shouts that this is a bullshit lynch, it would be the first time he got mislynched (or lynched), and insults the people who voted him. BH thinks robik is really scum after those responses, which sounds like a scum getting randomly caught and raging. The implication being that a real town, secure in his innocence, wouldn't need to defend himself emotionally against what is essentially a nonsense lynch. Whereas a scum instinctively will protect himself strongly as scum are not expendable compared to town.
I agree with that line of reasoning, but I want to confirm, BH, is that what you think too? Do you have anything else to add?
Iamrobik and me have a short but tumultuous history. We're both sheeneys, but that's where the similarities end. He's got a fuse as short as a decapitated midget. And the guy likes to talk, except most of what he says is about as superfluous as his namesake. Suffice it to say, we don't get along. So when he enters the thread treating me like he wants to have my baby, something smells funny.
On July 16 2014 10:36 IAmRobik wrote: If anyone even considers laying a finger on Kush this game, I'll have your fucking ballsack
Aside from that he says he's not going to talk for 72 hours. People who don't talk usually have something to hide.
This blazinghand character is another one I have history with, a long a bloody history I would sooner forget. Something is just not right about him, like he was dropped as a child, or lobotomized with a soup spoon. But I guess it's true that even a broken clock is right twice a day. ##vote iamrobik Look at that, it's noose o'clock.
If it wasn't dumb I would've voted just for the reaction :'( But we're more or less f'd if he gets lynched and he's town since we have 3 absolute unknowns at the moment
So, here are the facts 1) I'm town 2) BH, if you're town you're a fucking dickwad and I hope you choke on one too for IML'ing a town and getting no fucking info from it 3) This is a policy lynch at best for me saying that I have never been lynched before.
I AM TOWN. ANYONE WHO SAYS OTHERWISE IS FUCKING WRONG. PEOPLE SHOULD BE UNVOTING BECAUSE I AM TOWN
I can't prove that I'm town yet, but my clearing of Kush is signature Town!Robik.
No one is going to read my posts when I die, but here are 2 things that should happen if you lynch me 1) you should all apologize for being tremendous douches 2) Kush should never be lynched cause of his opening post, which was closer to his towny post style of WC than his mafia post style of Order and Storm 3) Lynch BH, cause even if he's town he's doing something REALLY REALLY ANTI-TOWN by lynching me.
And if Cavalinho is town, he's the biggest fucking idiot of all time. Literally he should quit TL for ever. He was so excited to win a game, and if he's town he's already fucking throwing. What a little twat.
On July 16 2014 16:19 Blazinghand wrote: honestly iamrobik even if I hadn't rnged you, after this last series of posts there's zero chance i'm not voting you. are you kidding me lol you think anyone's gonna buy that fake anger crap
There are 2 people on my wagon who need to be unvoting because I'm town. The fact that they're not unvoting is sooooo fucking bad. Literally one person votes for me and a towny gets lynched. THIS IS NOT HOW YOU PLAY THE FUCKING GAME
where the fuck is everyone? I'M TOWN DON'T MISLYNCH ME PLEASE PLEASE PRETTY PLEASE IF ONE OF THE REMAINING PLAYERS HAMMERS. I'M GOING TO BE SOOOO UPSET. I'M TOWN PROMISE PINKY PROMISE!!!!!!!
I'll be #1 on the Q2/Q3 best players list if I self-hammer, but I'll also be #1 if you guys don't mislynch me and we win the game....Please let's just win the fucking game.
I will do ANYTHING within the game to not get mislynched. please please please please please please
Besides all of my posts begging you guys to unvote me cause I'm town, this is the towniest post in the game, which is why I will be furious if Kush EVER gets lynched this game. Him voting me here makes me really really sad
On July 16 2014 08:06 kushm4sta wrote: When I got the PM telling me I was town, it felt like a five thousand pound weight was lifted off my chest. Thank fucking christ. See, rolling scum too much lately had really taken its toll. The constant lies rot my soul from the inside out. So, thanks for the quickie, Lady Luck. Though I doubt she’ll stay the night.
Fast forward a few hours and I already have a townread, but it’s dirty.
It has been Cavalinho's recent meta to be all jokes in mafia games. He's prolly mafia this game:
So like, you can justify your unvote of me however you want. The correct reason to unvote me and never lynch me is cause I'm town, but if you want to unvote me alive cause it's my birthday in Korea as of 37 minutes ago, that's perfectly cool in my book as well.
Why doesn't anyone want to interact with me I just don't want to by mislynched Please someone talk and let's figure out the game I want a win I want town to win Those two desires are 100% congruent I'm being as honest, sincere, genuine as I can possibly be. I'm town. Don't lynch me PLEASE PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD COME IN AND UNVOTE ME TOWN!ROBIK = VALUABLE ROBIK Don't lynch Rubickthemagus
pretty plox i make promises promises that i'm town. This is 100% within robik town meta. Robik doesn't fuck with his town meta cause then he can't use that town meta to clear himself later. Robik would rather get lynched as scum than get mislynched as mafia, that's why he doesn't change his town meta. Because he enjoys playing town and he like solving the game I don't know why I started referring to myself in 3rd person. Please don't lynch me NO LYNCHERINO TOWN!ROBIK SO TOWN
I almost have a full page to myself. I page of me begging and pleading not to get mislynched. I never put this much effort in as scum. Please don't do this to me. I'm beggggggingggggggg i'm town don't lynch me it will be a mislynch i'll be so sad grovel grovel grovel
KUSH. STOP BEING A FUCKING TARD AND UNVOTE ME. LYNCHING ME IS A FUCKING PRO-MAFIA / ANTI-TOWN AGENDA. STOP IT STOP IT STOP IT. HOLY FUCK I'M FUCKING TOWN GET THE FUCK OFF OF ME
Kush. Think back to World Cup when you were town and I was town. Think about cava/obi's play. he was jokey In Storm, he did the same thing I called him out for it. He was maf Please for the love of humanity. Just listen to me. Don't lynch me cause i'm town Lynch Obi cause he's mafia.
He was super fucking excited to start the game And it took him forever to fucking post cause he rolled mafia and didn't want to seem scummy and he ended up seeming scummy anyway cause he's asdofnasoifnaosdnfosdfng;s
PLEASE FOR HTE LOVE OF GOD EVERYONE UNVOTE TOWN!ROBIK
I'm spoonfeeding the game to you guys Literally handing it to you on a silver platter And you're shitting on all the delicious food I'm offering
I can show you the world Shining, shimmering, splendid Tell me, princess, now when did You last let your heart decide?
I can open your eyes Take you wonder by wonder Over, sideways and under On a magic carpet ride
A whole new world A new fantastic point of view No one to tell us no or where to go Or say we're only dreaming
A whole new world A dazzling place I never knew But when I'm way up here, it's crystal clear That now I'm in a whole new world with you (Now I'm in a whole new world with you)
Unbelievable sights Indescribable feelings Soaring, tumbling, freewheeling Through an endless diamond sky
A whole new world (Don't you dare close your eyes) A hundred thousand things to see (Hold your breath, it gets better)
I'm like a shooting star I've come so far I can't go back To where I used to be
A whole new world Every turn a surprise
With new horizons to pursue Every moment gets better I'll chase them anywhere There's time to spare Let me share this whole new world with you
A whole new world A whole new world That's where we'll be That's where we'll be A thrilling place A wondrous place For you and me
Clearly I'm the only one townie who cares about winning the game This makes me sad. Very very sad Towns should care way more -- they're win more game
There's a phrase on 2+2 WiM. It stands for Want it More. And then I'm town, there's not a single person in the world that wants it more than I do. And you know what. I'm town this game. Which is why I'm acting liek this. CAUSE I WANT IT SO FUCKING MUCH
BH, if you're scum this game, you're a huge fucking pussy. The reason I'm calling you out for it is because you signed onto IRC about 1.25hrs ago, and you haven't posted here. THat means you've been at your computer but you decided not to check into the thread and try to actually bury me or say why i'm super mafia for the posts i made.
This is going to end up being a fucking replica of A Fire Upon the Deep game, except I'm going to get mislynched instead of n1'd and there's going to be no activity and town is going to lose because no one in this game has shown a fucking ounce of care about the game
Fuck all of you for being lazy and for not giving a fuck.
On July 17 2014 02:12 ObiWanShinobi wrote: dude i cant believe i woke up at 1 pm, rofl.
also, no, you dont understand my meta. at all.
well if you're town this game, I understand that you're playing this game really fucking poorly. I understand that there are 4 votes on me and 1 fucking vote hammers a townie.
I don't give a fuck about your meta. I think you're scummy. I think you've been joking all game and you found an opportunistic moment to continue jokinga nd try to lynch a townie. I think you expressed a desire to win and if you're town you're not doing that well. I think you're bitter than I'm insanely better than you at this game and you keep losing to me so you want to get me out of the way, even though if you're town you should want me around because I'm your best fucking hope of winning.
I'm not here to appease you. I'm here to win the fucking agme. I'm town. If you're town you fucking suck for playing against your wincon and lynching a townie for no fucking reason.
Cava aka obiwanshitstain is very caustic as mafia. Feel free to look at the beginning of his filter in World Cup. He's very sarcastic and mocking and jokey especially aroudn the time when I claimed mafia.
He votes for Kush because he's "blending" --> exactly what he's doing this game by voting me He also has a very jokey tone to him in posts. I've never seen him joke as town. He was very very down to business in TL Order when he was town, but that game is was so deep in my pocket that he was never getting out.
I'm town this game, so can't really pocket anyone. Can just beg and plead to make you see that i'm town
1) you're so bad that you decided that if you follow the RNG then you might actually be able to figure out who scum is 2) you are just bitter about me calling you out for sucking, so you're willing to throw the game and lose 3) just kidding, there's no three. you're probably mafia just trying to get me mislynched cause I have good fucking reads on you
i was so deep in your pocket that i nearly lynched your partner and you were forced to shoot me. okay. thank you for misreading that entire game.
and no, your analysis doesnt make sense. i was fucking around in early order too and a bunch of people tried to kill me for it. me goofing off isnt alignment indicative.
On July 17 2014 02:28 IAmRobik wrote: So there are some scenarios where you're town obi
1) you're so bad that you decided that if you follow the RNG then you might actually be able to figure out who scum is 2) you are just bitter about me calling you out for sucking, so you're willing to throw the game and lose 3) just kidding, there's no three. you're probably mafia just trying to get me mislynched cause I have good fucking reads on you
are you trying to get lynched or is that just how it comes out?
On July 17 2014 02:23 IAmRobik wrote: Cava aka obiwanshitstain is very caustic as mafia. ...
Cut it out. Don't get personal.
I'm the only one putting a fucking ounce of effort into this game cause I give a fuck. Everyone else is shitting on your name by signing up for a game and not doing jack shit. I'm getting personal to get people riled up. to get people to fucking care about the game. to do something other than RNG vote a fucking town.
You know I already planned to self-hammer if it wouldn't get me banned for playing against my win-con
You should be so offended by people signing up to play a game that you put time into, and then they themselves not putting time into the game.
Every single one of you is disrespecting our host. You should all be embarrassed by your play.
This is not just because you're RNG lynching a townie, but every single town in this game is playing a shit tier game by not proving yourself as town and by letting mafia not post whatsoever
Basing a day one vote on rng is crap. Rob shouldn't be lynched because of that. This is how he plays emotional. Lets not hammer him and have a real conversation
im totally willing to let him go, but he needs to stop being such a dick and he needs to stop telling people that im mafia because he doesnt understand my meta.
Atleast two players have proven they are bad. Sebastian brought up percentages. The percentage of newbie games first lynch mafia is a lot lower than ring.
I took a nap. People still haven't rescinded. This is fucking dumb as fuck. I'm LITERALLY the only one who cares about the game. The game will turn into A Fire Upon Deep if I die. If this is the effort that you guys will put in, then I might as well not try either. This is pathetic ass garbage.
Kush, someone was shitting on you today. I claimed you weren't that bad. In fact, you had pretty good reads in World Cup. Apparently, I should never back you up ever, if this is how you treat games.
On July 17 2014 03:35 ObiWanShinobi wrote: im totally willing to let him go, but he needs to stop being such a dick and he needs to stop telling people that im mafia because he doesnt understand my meta.
What is your meta? Besides losing every game. How does voting a town by RNG help you win games if you're town? Like what type of "meta" is that. THat's just bad fucking play dude.
okay, so let me get this straight: you try to use meta as a reason to scumread me, but then turn around and then ask me what my meta is.
the only reason i was voting you was because i thought it was kinda funny and because you were pissing me off, but if youre just going to act like a giant piece of shit, then have fun being fucking dead. im done caring about what you flip.
Yes, that's my meta read on you. If you're saying that I don't undersatnd your meta, then explain to me what your meta is. I'm claiming that if you're town, then your meta is to play poorly -- as is evidenced by the fact that you are voting for a townie based off a random number generator --> one that you probably have no clue how it works...I don't know how it works, but I don't really care because I know I'm town. Unless you're mafia, you don't know if I'm town or mafia, but voting on me is bad cause this is definitely my town play.
Voting me out of spite isn't going to help you win any more games. It's only going to put another L by your name. It might make you feel a tiny bit better, but after all that, you're still a dude with a record of L-L-L-L-L-L-L
On July 17 2014 05:27 IAmRobik wrote: Kush, someone was shitting on you today. I claimed you weren't that bad. In fact, you had pretty good reads in World Cup. Apparently, I should never back you up ever, if this is how you treat games.
OK im done rping. Tell me who and I'll unvote you.
just got back from getting my car fixed, and i cant remember what pissed me off about that first post.
On July 17 2014 06:14 IAmRobik wrote: In what world is that a reasonable reaction?
Yes, that's my meta read on you. If you're saying that I don't undersatnd your meta, then explain to me what your meta is. I'm claiming that if you're town, then your meta is to play poorly -- as is evidenced by the fact that you are voting for a townie based off a random number generator --> one that you probably have no clue how it works...I don't know how it works, but I don't really care because I know I'm town. Unless you're mafia, you don't know if I'm town or mafia, but voting on me is bad cause this is definitely my town play.
Voting me out of spite isn't going to help you win any more games. It's only going to put another L by your name. It might make you feel a tiny bit better, but after all that, you're still a dude with a record of L-L-L-L-L-L-L
if you say you dont understand my meta, then dont sit here and accuse me of playing badly when the game you pulled evidence from was basically evidence of the contrary. its like youre acting that i actually wanted you dead at any point up until you started shoving your foot in your mouth.
its like youre trying to make me hate you as much as possible. is that really the end goal here? because thats exactly what it looks like.
How mad would you be if you were scum and bh random voted you and everyone sheeped the random vote? I'd probably be pretty mad. Maybe mad enough to spam the fuck out of the thread.
Nothing pisses mafia off worse than being outed for the wrong reason.
i dont really give a shit if hes mad or not. i can understand exactly why he could/should die today, but i want him to sit down and tell me why he keeps saying that i play badly, aside from the fact that he could be town and his entire reaction was made of awful things.
On July 17 2014 07:56 kushm4sta wrote: How mad would you be if you were scum and bh random voted you and everyone sheeped the random vote? I'd probably be pretty mad. Maybe mad enough to spam the fuck out of the thread.
Nothing pisses mafia off worse than being outed for the wrong reason.
I'm town though, so that theory is wrong. I'm mad cause I have _NEVER_ been lynched. Which, I understand if I get lynched as mafia, cause town needs to lynch mafia to win, but to get lynched as a mislynch -- that means that I have played a poor game or that I haven't done what I needed to prove that I'm town. But I feel that I have done that this game, so that's why i'm spamming cause i don't want to be mislynched because that would make me sad and angry and marv said that he would laugh at me til the end of eternity if I get mislynched here.
He also told me something else (not about you kush), but it almost made me self-hammer...but that woudln't be good caues i'm town nad i want to win and i want to be alive as long as possibly promoting the towniest of town agendas.
As for who was talking shit on you. Can't tell you.
On July 17 2014 07:58 ObiWanShinobi wrote: i dont really give a shit if hes mad or not. i can understand exactly why he could/should die today, but i want him to sit down and tell me why he keeps saying that i play badly, aside from the fact that he could be town and his entire reaction was made of awful things.
So, I have to assume that you're not playing well if you're losing all your games
This is a function of doing stuff like: -having poor reads -getting caught as mafia often -doing stupid shit like following BH's RNG lynch onto a town in a 9 person game where you only have 3 total mislynches.
Voting for an RNG lynch and not unvoting when that person has 4 votes and is potentially going to be mishammered is fucking terrible play. It shows that you don't want to grow as a player. It shows that you don't give a fuck, which is contradictory to your statement that you want to win. So if you're town, you're playing like crap. If you're mafia, then you're playing to your win-con and I applaud you
honestly, all you've done so far is bring up bad meta which contradicts itself and then claim that you didn't understand it. i can already tell you right now that im town, and the only thing stopping me from killing you right now is the fact that basically everybody is lurking while you flounder. so understand that im going to get upset when your meta basically boils down to "hes either mafia or bad but hes always bad lol."
On July 17 2014 08:07 kushm4sta wrote: he sounds like an idiot
i don't understand why you are so insistent on mislynching me. You cannot possibly think that I'm mafia. Like there's NO FUCKING WAY that I'm mafia here.
So, I have to assume that you're not playing well if you're losing all your games
you and i both know that this isnt true.
You played decently in Order. Your play in World Cup was abysmal. You didn't play too well in Storm. You got mislynched in your newbie games. You're clearly doing something wrong and the fact that you're not reevaluating what you did wrong is hindering your growth.
Following a RNG lynch on a townie isn't going to help you improve your game. Why don't you try to make some ACTUAL reads. If you ACTUALLY think I'm mafia and can come up with reasons for it, then fine, vote me. But like if you're trying to lynch me cause I'm a BM asshole who tells it how it is or cause you want to follow RNG, then that's bad play and I will continue to berate you til I die, and then again in post game...maybe even some in PMs
But again, this is just if your'e town this game. If you're scum, then you're really not making many mistakes other than unvoting me. That was a poor move if you're scum, because I'm sure someone will be dumb enough to come and hammer me cause I annoy them or a I post too much or for whatever poor fucking reason they want to make.
So, I have to assume that you're not playing well if you're losing all your games
you and i both know that this isnt true.
You played decently in Order. Your play in World Cup was abysmal. You didn't play too well in Storm. You got mislynched in your newbie games. You're clearly doing something wrong and the fact that you're not reevaluating what you did wrong is hindering your growth.
Following a RNG lynch on a townie isn't going to help you improve your game. Why don't you try to make some ACTUAL reads. If you ACTUALLY think I'm mafia and can come up with reasons for it, then fine, vote me. But like if you're trying to lynch me cause I'm a BM asshole who tells it how it is or cause you want to follow RNG, then that's bad play and I will continue to berate you til I die, and then again in post game...maybe even some in PMs
But again, this is just if your'e town this game. If you're scum, then you're really not making many mistakes other than unvoting me. That was a poor move if you're scum, because I'm sure someone will be dumb enough to come and hammer me cause I annoy them or a I post too much or for whatever poor fucking reason they want to make.
youre acting like you played super well in your newbie games, to the point where town was dumb enough to lynch a claimed cop instead of the guy who made the most blatantly mafia post of the entire game, and i only got shot in storm because somebody decided they didnt like me.
fun fact? your bullheaded self righteousness was what ended up saving me in world cup, to the point where i was convincing enough to soak up medic protection. you were the one spearheading both mislynches, in yet you just gloss over it because youre so obsessed with shitting on other players instead.
and im not the one getting lynched today. if you want someone to come up with reads, it should be you, since your ass is on the line for the contrived bullshit you were posting earlier, and ESPECIALLY after you followed it up with shitting on people.
honestly, you have the most unbelievably skewed version of events and it fucking pisses me off that you can honestly sit here and call yourself so much better when you just wound up getting luckier than i did.
On July 17 2014 08:15 ObiWanShinobi wrote: WHY IS THIS DEFENSE WORKING SO WELL
I DO NOT UNDERSTAND
Are you saying that you are starting to come to the realization that I'm town, or are you asking why Kush unvoted?
no, im saying it because your defense was amazingly anti town and turned the atmosphere toxic, in yet youve convinced most of the people here that youre town.
1) I got n1'd in all newbie games that I wasn't mafia, and lived to end game in the one where i was mafia 2) i didn't get lucky. That's like saying poker is about luck 3) maybe you got shot because someone didn't like you. maybe someone shot you because they thought you were scummy. who knows. 4) I led mislynches against people who were playing scummy and lying about shit (even if they didn't realize they were lying). On d2 I wanted to lynch you over mderg, but no one would follow me onto you cause of your claim, and I said that poof and you were mafia, and i was nk'd that night BY YOU. 5) i don't have a skewed version of anything. I play the game as I see fit. I push people who I think are scummy. You're not even doing that this game.
AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, How can you say that I'm getting lynched for contrived bullshit, when all 4 votes on me came before I started shitting up the thread with town rainbows? That's a blatant contradiction of the facts of this game
If you think I'm scummy, then you shouldn't be unvoting me. Like wtf are you doing? The only reason to unvote me is if you're town and your reconsidering your original thoughts.
You are having some really big logical breakdowns here Shinobi ##vote: obiwanshinobi aka cavalinho
On July 17 2014 08:32 IAmRobik wrote: 1) I got n1'd in all newbie games that I wasn't mafia, and lived to end game in the one where i was mafia [b]the point of the game is to lynch mafia, mislynching someone else and getting shot isnt good play but for some reason you think that it is. 2) i didn't get lucky. That's like saying poker is about luck. except you did. multiple times. 3) maybe you got shot because someone didn't like you. maybe someone shot you because they thought you were scummy. who knows. probably the people that actually read that game. cora even admitted that he got lucky but i see you didnt bother fact checking. nice. 4) I led mislynches against people who were playing scummy and lying about shit (even if they didn't realize they were lying). On d2 I wanted to lynch you over mderg, but no one would follow me onto you cause of your claim, and I said that poof and you were mafia, and i was nk'd that night BY YOU. mislynches are mislynches. i guess jumping down peoples throats for bad reasons is good play. lol. you also claimed nobody would follow you onto me day 1 but the votes were tied and you had the perfect opportunity to kill me. i guess that doesnt count. 5) i don't have a skewed version of anything. I play the game as I see fit. I push people who I think are scummy. You're not even doing that this game. i guess your defense and trying to steer conversation away from catching scum doesnt count.
AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, How can you say that I'm getting lynched for contrived bullshit, when all 4 votes on me came before I started shitting up the thread with town rainbows? That's a blatant contradiction of the facts of this game
contrived bullshit, aka every single thing you wrote after you got rng'd. but i guess that doesnt count because ROBIK LUL.
On July 17 2014 08:36 IAmRobik wrote: If you think I'm scummy, then you shouldn't be unvoting me. Like wtf are you doing? The only reason to unvote me is if you're town and your reconsidering your original thoughts.
You are having some really big logical breakdowns here Shinobi ##vote: obiwanshinobi aka cavalinho
because i started bringing myself around to the fact that you could be town.
what in the actual fuck. rofl, this isnt a reason to vote someone. is this a joke?
On July 16 2014 15:29 IAmRobik wrote: I'm positive that I'm town. Looks like a lot of people are ready to mislynch me. This makes me sad as I've never been mislynched in forum mafia...hell, i've never been lynched as mafia either...but i'm town in this game, so it would be a mislynch.
such convince many defense wow
what manner of defense did you expect exactly? You can't really defend yourself if people are voting you randomly.
On July 16 2014 16:19 Blazinghand wrote: honestly iamrobik even if I hadn't rnged you, after this last series of posts there's zero chance i'm not voting you. are you kidding me lol you think anyone's gonna buy that fake anger crap
What indicates his anger is fake, and why is it unreasonable to be angry in his situation?
On July 17 2014 08:49 kushm4sta wrote: obi, consider the possibility that robik is bad at reading you and he's doing it to pressure you in order to get a better read.
ill consider it.
also i want to know why GG is so convinced of his read. his early vote felt really serious and so did his rng vote, and then he started attacking robik with conviction after robik started spamming.
On July 17 2014 04:37 Snickers wrote: Yea it's time for you guys to stop voting robik.
Atleast two players have proven they are bad. Sebastian brought up percentages. The percentage of newbie games first lynch mafia is a lot lower than ring.
Anyway gobble is scum, so obvious.
Why? It's not obvious to me.
On July 17 2014 08:25 Snickers wrote: I retract some of my last statement but Obi unvoted in such a scummy way.
On July 17 2014 08:49 kushm4sta wrote: obi, consider the possibility that robik is bad at reading you and he's doing it to pressure you in order to get a better read.
I appreciate you trying to defend my actions based off of a hypothetical situation regarding what I'm doing
Listen. I want to lynch mafia like no one else this game, but I don't really have too much to go on. I can't really think objectively about this game right now based on how this game has gone so far -- with the RNG falling on me and me getting so close to maj for the majority of today, I felt really under pressure and felt like I had to make sure that I don't get mislynched. I gave my reads earlier. I still feel like one mafia defended me, becase obviously they would look like shit if they hammer a townie. But at the same time, I gotta give those people who defended me some town points because they didn't mislynch me.
I wish there were other things that have happened for me to focus on, but there's really not much.
I find it strange that BH was in IRC and talking but not participating in this thread, especially if he saw that I was really really close to getting lynched. I gotta think that if he thought I was mafia, that he would push harder to get that final vote on me...but he didn't, so maybe he's mafia? I really have no fucking clue. This is me being as genuine as I could possibly be
On July 17 2014 04:37 Snickers wrote: Yea it's time for you guys to stop voting robik.
Atleast two players have proven they are bad. Sebastian brought up percentages. The percentage of newbie games first lynch mafia is a lot lower than ring.
Anyway gobble is scum, so obvious.
Please follow through with an explanation with your last statement because if it's some meta thing I wouldn't have a clue. To me the thing that would stick out for me is how easily he sheeps to BH's reasoning and method of choosing the lynch target. Raises my alert level for him but not so much where I would say he's obvious scum so if there's something I'm missing please elaborate.
On July 17 2014 03:20 Damdred wrote: This is shit.
Basing a day one vote on rng is crap. Rob shouldn't be lynched because of that. This is how he plays emotional. Lets not hammer him and have a real conversation
Ok, were you going to follow up on that? Do you have any suspicions at the moment since all you've said is you want to keep Robik around but you haven't said anything about anyone else. Makes me suspicious that you're simply trying to keep up the activity for appearances.
##Vote damdred At the moment, your semi-inactivity but push for 'real conversation' just doesn't match up.
And let's be honest I've only glazed over the spam + flame war but do tell me if there's something juicy
I can't believe there are people in this game who believe they're actually playing this game. Can we get 5 modkills for inactivity and hope that there is only 1 mafia left between the other 4
On July 17 2014 10:50 Sylencia wrote: Robik, enough seriously -_- Reinforcing your town claim by saying you're town over and over is becoming an eyesore
On July 17 2014 04:37 Snickers wrote: Yea it's time for you guys to stop voting robik.
Atleast two players have proven they are bad. Sebastian brought up percentages. The percentage of newbie games first lynch mafia is a lot lower than ring.
Anyway gobble is scum, so obvious.
Please follow through with an explanation with your last statement because if it's some meta thing I wouldn't have a clue. To me the thing that would stick out for me is how easily he sheeps to BH's reasoning and method of choosing the lynch target. Raises my alert level for him but not so much where I would say he's obvious scum so if there's something I'm missing please elaborate.
On July 17 2014 03:20 Damdred wrote: This is shit.
Basing a day one vote on rng is crap. Rob shouldn't be lynched because of that. This is how he plays emotional. Lets not hammer him and have a real conversation
Ok, were you going to follow up on that? Do you have any suspicions at the moment since all you've said is you want to keep Robik around but you haven't said anything about anyone else. Makes me suspicious that you're simply trying to keep up the activity for appearances.
##Vote damdred At the moment, your semi-inactivity but push for 'real conversation' just doesn't match up.
And let's be honest I've only glazed over the spam + flame war but do tell me if there's something juicy
Yea sorry I had anniversary date with the wife today and didn't want to log in to check mafia during it....
Robs good to have around though even when he gets over emotional like right now and spams the thread to hell at least he can read people and puts some form of pressure on it. However this flame war wasn't getting us anywhere really muddles what we can learn from people. I'd say we need to look elsewhere right now besides rob and obi until they calm down at least.
Snickers put forward a couple of things that Kush pointed at that I want to hear more about.
On July 16 2014 15:29 IAmRobik wrote: I'm positive that I'm town. Looks like a lot of people are ready to mislynch me. This makes me sad as I've never been mislynched in forum mafia...hell, i've never been lynched as mafia either...but i'm town in this game, so it would be a mislynch.
such convince many defense wow
what manner of defense did you expect exactly? You can't really defend yourself if people are voting you randomly.
On July 16 2014 16:19 Blazinghand wrote: honestly iamrobik even if I hadn't rnged you, after this last series of posts there's zero chance i'm not voting you. are you kidding me lol you think anyone's gonna buy that fake anger crap
What indicates his anger is fake, and why is it unreasonable to be angry in his situation?
If we lynch him, he stops talking.[/QUOTE] BH might actually be mafia here. His convoluted, unexplained RNG landed on me (town) and then when I posted he called me scummy. He's done nothing to continue to push the agenda, despite being around IRC earlier today. Yeah, whatever, ogi read and whatnot, but I have that information and it's weird that he chose to not stop by the thread and continue to push on me. If he really thinks that I'm scum, I'd expect him to have better rationalization for lynching me than this post:
[QUOTE]On July 17 2014 10:50 Blazinghand wrote: [QUOTE]On July 17 2014 10:50 Sylencia wrote: Robik, enough seriously -_- Reinforcing your town claim by saying you're town over and over is becoming an eyesore[/QUOTE]
This is such a copout reason to keep voting me (notice how he doesn't unvote me). He's not continuing to push the agenda of lynching his scum read.
BH might actually be mafia here. His convoluted, unexplained RNG landed on me (town) and then when I posted he called me scummy. He's done nothing to continue to push the agenda, despite being around IRC earlier today. Yeah, whatever, ogi read and whatnot, but I have that information and it's weird that he chose to not stop by the thread and continue to push on me. If he really thinks that I'm scum, I'd expect him to have better rationalization for lynching me than this post:
On July 17 2014 10:50 Sylencia wrote: Robik, enough seriously -_- Reinforcing your town claim by saying you're town over and over is becoming an eyesore
If we lynch him, he stops talking.
This is such a copout reason to keep voting me (notice how he doesn't unvote me). He's not continuing to push the agenda of lynching his scum read.
##unvote ##vote: BlazingHand[/QUOTE]
EBWOP. I decided to move the BH quote to lower in my post, and didn't copy-paste properly.
On July 17 2014 04:37 Snickers wrote: Yea it's time for you guys to stop voting robik.
Atleast two players have proven they are bad. Sebastian brought up percentages. The percentage of newbie games first lynch mafia is a lot lower than ring.
Anyway gobble is scum, so obvious.
Explain? Or should I respond with "Anyway snickers is scum, so obvious"? Because your accusation is worse than BH's RNG.
lol kush why the hell do you ask me the same question twice when I never even came back to the thread. Your forcing questions out.
Time for me to join the party.
##Vote: kushmasta
I will actually contribute tomorrow when I am not so tired. But here is the case on kushmasta. Who the hell asks the same question to somebody twice without them popping into the thread. He is just making his filter look good while also making me looking scummy. He has not done anything productive except or ask questions. Also he votes me then makes the comment of cool four people have now asked snickers the same question. Just a sly way to make me look like shit.
I SHALL EXPLAIN MY MYSTERIOUS SELF TOMORROW WHEN I AM NOT SO TIRED. Advice for all of you would be for everyone to stop looking so scummy. TOODLES
If you want to see try hard look at my mini mafia (roman number) game hosted by kurami. (not 100% if that is his correctly spelled name, he is from Poland).
That point only makes sense if I am also not try hard when playing town. THIS IS WHERE YOU HAVE SLIPPED. I am tryhard, I double checked your count of four people. You have enough suspicion to vote me but are too lazy to actually do a real check. You retract your vote for terrible reason because you are afraid of what my close reading can do. One scum has been found.
Also clarification. The reason why his filter being entirely questions is bad, is because he completely forced one question. Aka his filter is all forced, nothing genuine.
On July 17 2014 04:37 Snickers wrote: Yea it's time for you guys to stop voting robik.
Atleast two players have proven they are bad. Sebastian brought up percentages. The percentage of newbie games first lynch mafia is a lot lower than ring.
Anyway gobble is scum, so obvious.
Explain? Or should I respond with "Anyway snickers is scum, so obvious"? Because your accusation is worse than BH's RNG.
On July 17 2014 12:18 Snickers wrote: If you want to see try hard look at my mini mafia (roman number) game hosted by kurami. (not 100% if that is his correctly spelled name, he is from Poland).
That point only makes sense if I am also not try hard when playing town. THIS IS WHERE YOU HAVE SLIPPED. I am tryhard, I double checked your count of four people. You have enough suspicion to vote me but are too lazy to actually do a real check. You retract your vote for terrible reason because you are afraid of what my close reading can do. One scum has been found.
Also clarification. The reason why his filter being entirely questions is bad, is because he completely forced one question. Aka his filter is all forced, nothing genuine.
snickers, the post in which I asked you the same question twice, i also asked you a new question. I was just consolidating my questions.
And no I didn't read a lot of your filter, nor have I read any of your town filters. I actually have to read one of your town filters to get a good meta read of you, you are right. But the reason why I unvoted you was because your posts looked less tryhard than your scumgame. So I'm not going to vote someone for shitposting, if they don't shitpost as scum.
ANYWAY something doesn't sit right about you still. You are too tired to explain thoughts you already had, like why things you said were scummy were scummy, yet you had plenty of energy to concoct this shitcase against me for "asking questions." Seems like explaining your old suspicions would be quicker than coming up with new ones. Add to that the fact that your suspicion is very omgusy.
##vote snickers
still wanna read one of your towngames before I feel confident in the vote though.
On July 17 2014 13:12 IAmRobik wrote: Why has everyone ignored the best case in the thread. it's been almost a page since i posted it
I agree with you, and I asked bh two questions I would like him to answer. While we are waiting for that, I'm pursuing other avenues. The truth is BH has very little content, and he does the random vote shit every single game. So I feel like although he leans scummy, it's too late to form a good read on him.
On July 17 2014 12:51 kushm4sta wrote: snickers, the post in which I asked you the same question twice, i also asked you a new question. I was just consolidating my questions.
And no I didn't read a lot of your filter, nor have I read any of your town filters. I actually have to read one of your town filters to get a good meta read of you, you are right. But the reason why I unvoted you was because your posts looked less tryhard than your scumgame. So I'm not going to vote someone for shitposting, if they don't shitpost as scum.
ANYWAY something doesn't sit right about you still. You are too tired to explain thoughts you already had, like why things you said were scummy were scummy, yet you had plenty of energy to concoct this shitcase against me for "asking questions." Seems like explaining your old suspicions would be quicker than coming up with new ones. Add to that the fact that your suspicion is very omgusy.
##vote snickers
still wanna read one of your towngames before I feel confident in the vote though.
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1. This smells of the shittiest bullshit I have ever heard.
2. Your first post towards me was you seriously asking me about my posts. Next post... BAM VOTE. You did not vote me for shit posts and if you thought they were shit you would not seriously ask me about them. I did nothing in between the time interval for you to think ...good posts...shit posts..
3.If it is a shitcase, why are you acting like I put alot of effort into it. I do not understand the sentence that starts with seems.
Summy is that you are not making anysense and just back peddling yourself.
Any more bad defense posts that I can use for my case against you tomorrow?
I dont see how that helps the thread at all. Also I love how kush reads my meta---> I am town. Reads my meta again ----->I am scum. Stop reading me with an alignment in mind.
On July 17 2014 13:26 Snickers wrote: I dont see how that helps the thread at all. Also I love how kush reads my meta---> I am town. Reads my meta again ----->I am scum. Stop reading me with an alignment in mind.
wat
i think you really need to rethink what youre saying because youre not making any sense at all.
hes saying i unvoted him cause of meta, then used meta to support my voting him again.
and yeahh its true kind of. his scumgame made the one liners look less scummy. but now that he's writing more, it looks more like his scumgame. Try to understand that nuance, snickers.
So you agree with me to vote and me lol. So you are taking my posts seriously even though you think I am scum. Aka you do not actually think I am scum and are just letting your emotions guide my alignment. Just like kushs meta reads on me.
I am 100% defending myself? lol cause I am not pushing kush. What questions need to be anwsered obi? Let me help you as much as I can.
On July 17 2014 13:26 kushm4sta wrote: i guess i need to ask you a third time because you aren't answering: why you say gg was obv scum? and what was scummy about obi's unvote?
these.
you basically just said they dont help the thread and you just went on defending yourself even though both of these things need to be answered.
If you read closely, I was not even talking about that post. And it is time for me to come clean. Off of the top off my head, I said gg was obv scum to get discussion going. The reason I said him was because I find it most likely for scum to be the third one to jump on. Also I think his reasoning was weak. As for obis unvote, his reasoning was also weak.
Now these were mainly to get conversation going so I do not really care if my recalling of details is accurate.
And if Robik wants to read me mafia this game like last game I did something similar, well I would not have such a great case on kush without them .
On July 17 2014 12:51 kushm4sta wrote: snickers, the post in which I asked you the same question twice, i also asked you a new question. I was just consolidating my questions.
And no I didn't read a lot of your filter, nor have I read any of your town filters. I actually have to read one of your town filters to get a good meta read of you, you are right. But the reason why I unvoted you was because your posts looked less tryhard than your scumgame. So I'm not going to vote someone for shitposting, if they don't shitpost as scum.
ANYWAY something doesn't sit right about you still. You are too tired to explain thoughts you already had, like why things you said were scummy were scummy, yet you had plenty of energy to concoct this shitcase against me for "asking questions." Seems like explaining your old suspicions would be quicker than coming up with new ones. Add to that the fact that your suspicion is very omgusy.
##vote snickers
still wanna read one of your towngames before I feel confident in the vote though.
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1. This smells of the shittiest bullshit I have ever heard.
2. Your first post towards me was you seriously asking me about my posts. Next post... BAM VOTE. You did not vote me for shit posts and if you thought they were shit you would not seriously ask me about them. I did nothing in between the time interval for you to think ...good posts...shit posts..
3.If it is a shitcase, why are you acting like I put alot of effort into it. I do not understand the sentence that starts with seems.
Summy is that you are not making anysense and just back peddling yourself.
Any more bad defense posts that I can use for my case against you tomorrow?
So you agree with me to vote and me lol. So you are taking my posts seriously even though you think I am scum. Aka you do not actually think I am scum and are just letting your emotions guide my alignment. Just like kushs meta reads on me.
I am 100% defending myself? lol cause I am not pushing kush. What questions need to be anwsered obi? Let me help you as much as I can.
On July 17 2014 13:45 Snickers wrote: If you read closely, I was not even talking about that post. And it is time for me to come clean. Off of the top off my head, I said gg was obv scum to get discussion going. The reason I said him was because I find it most likely for scum to be the third one to jump on. Also I think his reasoning was weak. As for obis unvote, his reasoning was also weak.
Now these were mainly to get conversation going so I do not really care if my recalling of details is accurate.
And if Robik wants to read me mafia this game like last game I did something similar, well I would not have such a great case on kush without them .
what was weak about my reasoning?
robik was at l-1, you really think i should sit here and lynch him because rng? what kind of reasoning would i need to unvote him in a "not-scummy" way?
On July 17 2014 12:51 kushm4sta wrote: snickers, the post in which I asked you the same question twice, i also asked you a new question. I was just consolidating my questions.
And no I didn't read a lot of your filter, nor have I read any of your town filters. I actually have to read one of your town filters to get a good meta read of you, you are right. But the reason why I unvoted you was because your posts looked less tryhard than your scumgame. So I'm not going to vote someone for shitposting, if they don't shitpost as scum.
ANYWAY something doesn't sit right about you still. You are too tired to explain thoughts you already had, like why things you said were scummy were scummy, yet you had plenty of energy to concoct this shitcase against me for "asking questions." Seems like explaining your old suspicions would be quicker than coming up with new ones. Add to that the fact that your suspicion is very omgusy.
##vote snickers
still wanna read one of your towngames before I feel confident in the vote though.
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1. This smells of the shittiest bullshit I have ever heard.
2. Your first post towards me was you seriously asking me about my posts. Next post... BAM VOTE. You did not vote me for shit posts and if you thought they were shit you would not seriously ask me about them. I did nothing in between the time interval for you to think ...good posts...shit posts..
3.If it is a shitcase, why are you acting like I put alot of effort into it. I do not understand the sentence that starts with seems.
Summy is that you are not making anysense and just back peddling yourself.
Any more bad defense posts that I can use for my case against you tomorrow?
So you agree with me to vote and me lol. So you are taking my posts seriously even though you think I am scum. Aka you do not actually think I am scum and are just letting your emotions guide my alignment. Just like kushs meta reads on me.
I am 100% defending myself? lol cause I am not pushing kush. What questions need to be anwsered obi? Let me help you as much as I can.
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I really do not understand this. I think you are not reading well. I was talking about kush defending himself. Do you really want me to answer your question in detail of why I said something to get discussion going? You seem to care a little too much.
On July 17 2014 12:51 kushm4sta wrote: snickers, the post in which I asked you the same question twice, i also asked you a new question. I was just consolidating my questions.
And no I didn't read a lot of your filter, nor have I read any of your town filters. I actually have to read one of your town filters to get a good meta read of you, you are right. But the reason why I unvoted you was because your posts looked less tryhard than your scumgame. So I'm not going to vote someone for shitposting, if they don't shitpost as scum.
ANYWAY something doesn't sit right about you still. You are too tired to explain thoughts you already had, like why things you said were scummy were scummy, yet you had plenty of energy to concoct this shitcase against me for "asking questions." Seems like explaining your old suspicions would be quicker than coming up with new ones. Add to that the fact that your suspicion is very omgusy.
##vote snickers
still wanna read one of your towngames before I feel confident in the vote though.
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1. This smells of the shittiest bullshit I have ever heard.
2. Your first post towards me was you seriously asking me about my posts. Next post... BAM VOTE. You did not vote me for shit posts and if you thought they were shit you would not seriously ask me about them. I did nothing in between the time interval for you to think ...good posts...shit posts..
3.If it is a shitcase, why are you acting like I put alot of effort into it. I do not understand the sentence that starts with seems.
Summy is that you are not making anysense and just back peddling yourself.
Any more bad defense posts that I can use for my case against you tomorrow?
So you agree with me to vote and me lol. So you are taking my posts seriously even though you think I am scum. Aka you do not actually think I am scum and are just letting your emotions guide my alignment. Just like kushs meta reads on me.
I am 100% defending myself? lol cause I am not pushing kush. What questions need to be anwsered obi? Let me help you as much as I can.
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I really do not understand this. I think you are not reading well. I was talking about kush defending himself. Do you really want me to answer your question in detail of why I said something to get discussion going? You seem to care a little too much.
youre claiming that youre not pushing kush even though you basically told us that you're posting a case on him tomorrow.
.... I was being sarcastic you said I was 100% defending myself. I took the meaning of that as I was only defending myself. I was saying I was pushing kush so it is impossible for me to be 100% defending myself. Anyway I have waited long enough for kush to post something. Meta reads on me are useless. I have played two games. Once as a power role, again as mafia. There is no meta of my VT play. Most likely in this game I am VT. So therefore atleast 1/3 of kushs case on me is based on something is most likely not valid.
On July 17 2014 13:45 Snickers wrote: If you read closely, I was not even talking about that post. And it is time for me to come clean. Off of the top off my head, I said gg was obv scum to get discussion going. The reason I said him was because I find it most likely for scum to be the third one to jump on. Also I think his reasoning was weak. As for obis unvote, his reasoning was also weak.
Now these were mainly to get conversation going so I do not really care if my recalling of details is accurate.
And if Robik wants to read me mafia this game like last game I did something similar, well I would not have such a great case on kush without them .
no that is not sarcasm and this is not either. Start doing something useful please. Unless of course you are extremely tired like I am. I was too tempted with kush's bad mafia play tho.
On July 17 2014 14:09 Snickers wrote: no that is not sarcasm and this is not either. Start doing something useful please. Unless of course you are extremely tired like I am. I was too tempted with kush's bad mafia play tho.
I will tomorrow, I already posted something half decent. Also I want to evaluate everyone before doing a proper case. Your questions seem forced as well. Also you have not been reading closely. Oh no, not you too Obi.
look, you cant just sit here and mudsling onto every single player in the game and expect it to be totally fine. youve provided the worst reasoning in the world for almost everything that youve posted and i seriously doubt you even have a half decent case on kush because nothing youve said thus far has made sense.
whenever youre not tired or whatever, i want these questions answered: *why is it that you think people are forcing questions? what makes you think theyre forced? youve said this about two or three people and you havent backed up a single instance as to why you thought this.
*i actually posted this before, but i still want you to address it because you havent, for whatever reason:
robik was at l-1, you really think i should sit here and lynch him because rng? what kind of reasoning would i need to unvote him in a "not-scummy" way?
*whats wrong with me "caring" or whatever the fuck that means?
*why do you need to evaluate everyone before posting a case on someone you think is scummy?
Ok now I am being 100% serious. What were other two thirds of your case on me. Why are you voting BH. Throw some reasoning into your vote posts. Also I do not think we should all be throwing votes around like this. WE ALREADY had one person be one away from hammer. So if bh had more than one before you hoped on, hop off now. Or it will be very hard for to read you as town. Also stop being so wishy washy. Seriously I want to read you as town if you are town but I cannot recall one thing you have done this game that I have seen as towny.
On July 17 2014 13:45 Snickers wrote: If you read closely, I was not even talking about that post. And it is time for me to come clean. Off of the top off my head, I said gg was obv scum to get discussion going. The reason I said him was because I find it most likely for scum to be the third one to jump on. Also I think his reasoning was weak. As for obis unvote, his reasoning was also weak.
Now these were mainly to get conversation going so I do not really care if my recalling of details is accurate.
And if Robik wants to read me mafia this game like last game I did something similar, well I would not have such a great case on kush without them .
That is just weak.
First your third one on the bandwagon theory is just wifom. Even if it were commonly accepted that those who jump in the middle were more scummy would scum not then game that? And as far as I can tell there is no evidence to suggest the alignment of players on a bandwagon based on time of jump and nor have you advanced your own theory.
Second you dismiss me and obi's arguments as weak but did not even bother to explain. It seems to me your arguments are the weakest of all.
And your defence that you were trying to get conversation going? There was already conversation going and your baseless accusations do not help. You look like someone who is trying to say something without saying anything.
On July 17 2014 13:45 Snickers wrote: If you read closely, I was not even talking about that post. And it is time for me to come clean. Off of the top off my head, I said gg was obv scum to get discussion going. The reason I said him was because I find it most likely for scum to be the third one to jump on. Also I think his reasoning was weak. As for obis unvote, his reasoning was also weak.
Now these were mainly to get conversation going so I do not really care if my recalling of details is accurate.
And if Robik wants to read me mafia this game like last game I did something similar, well I would not have such a great case on kush without them .
lol, anyway. This post proves you were being serious. Also you tied a vote to your post. AKA I do not have to explain myself when compared relatively to you. Also timing of jump matters a lot. If i was scum this game I would hammered the shit out of Robik. Townie also give people the benefit of the doubt. "I will let that person lurk day one".
So your whole post is weak. Please step your game up.
snickers the other two thirds were 2/3 reluctance to answer questions 3/3 weak omgusy case on me
voting bh because of what robik said. i dont like how he scum read robik for a bad defense when there was nothing to defend. plus partially straight up policy because i dont like how he does the dumb random lynch shit every fucking game.
On July 17 2014 13:45 Snickers wrote: If you read closely, I was not even talking about that post. And it is time for me to come clean. Off of the top off my head, I said gg was obv scum to get discussion going. The reason I said him was because I find it most likely for scum to be the third one to jump on. Also I think his reasoning was weak. As for obis unvote, his reasoning was also weak.
Now these were mainly to get conversation going so I do not really care if my recalling of details is accurate.
And if Robik wants to read me mafia this game like last game I did something similar, well I would not have such a great case on kush without them .
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why did you have robik as scum?
The impression he had on me was of a scum raging because got caught randomly not of his fault. But it's just an impression and now I feel worse about snicker and his non arguments.
So gobble votes me while we have a dynamic voter on my ass. Splendid.
Reluctance to answer questions? You were showing you were "mad" at me for not answering questions when I was not even in the thread?
I do not know what the omgusy means. Like I literally do not know what that terms is. I think it is when someone just votes someone for poor reasoning. I think I have great reasoning.
Anyway so I objectively shown how one 1/3 is useless. Another third is you being emotional. And third I think is too subjective to comment on.
On July 17 2014 15:11 kushm4sta wrote: so bh as scum you like to make jokes when people suspect you huh? i learned this from one of snickers's filters.
no joke i'm gonna make a real case on robik and it will convince you all he is scum, since clearly there is no faith in the rng
On July 17 2014 15:11 kushm4sta wrote: so bh as scum you like to make jokes when people suspect you huh? i learned this from one of snickers's filters.
no joke i'm gonna make a real case on robik and it will convince you all he is scum, since clearly there is no faith in the rng
my townread on robik is currently pretty strong so good luck with that.
On July 17 2014 15:11 kushm4sta wrote: so bh as scum you like to make jokes when people suspect you huh? i learned this from one of snickers's filters.
no joke i'm gonna make a real case on robik and it will convince you all he is scum, since clearly there is no faith in the rng
my townread on robik is currently pretty strong so good luck with that.
in the sense that he provides us with a D1 lynch every day without fail, he exists and is interventionist. however, RNGesus believes in free will so it's up to us to choose to follow him or be damned
So its time to start participatin as im done with three straight days of 10 hour days!
Just from a quick read through,
I really don't like obi, i read through his filter and felt that he didn't really contribute anything. The post where he goes how is your defense working, seemed really really whiny that your defense was working. I don't see obi and Robik being on the same team. If one was to flip green i would probably kill the other one.
two wishy washy reads on two players that are incredibly town and a (maybe) scumread that doesnt make any sense. scumreading someone for lacking contribution is incredibly scummy if they have nothing to give you on something like day 1, but my filter is the second most active in the game and that read doesnt make any sense.
and even though youve accused me of not contributing, your first post into the game is an immediate backtrack of your townread on robik for no reason followed by two not-reads.
On July 17 2014 16:46 MysteryMeat1 wrote: So its time to start participatin as im done with three straight days of 10 hour days!
Just from a quick read through,
I really don't like obi, i read through his filter and felt that he didn't really contribute anything. The post where he goes how is your defense working, seemed really really whiny that your defense was working. I don't see obi and Robik being on the same team. If one was to flip green i would probably kill the other one.
Your reads are confusing, so let me try to rephrase:
1) obi is scum because he did not contribute.
2) obi's 'how is robik's defense working' post seems like a scum expressing disappointment at the fact that robik got off the noose.
3) obi is on a different team to robik
So doesn't that by logic mean robik is town?
Or do you think that if obi flipped town despite your suspicions, then robik would be scum - but why? Why would obi being town make robik scum when you haven't stated what makes robik guilty?
If your answer is that obi and robik are really at odds with each other and are unlikely to be on the same team, then that's not really an argument for obi-town implying robik-scum. Town doesn't know who else is town and it's very common to find 2 townies being mortal enemies. So the enemy of a townie isn't necessarily scum.
On July 17 2014 04:37 Snickers wrote: Yea it's time for you guys to stop voting robik.
Atleast two players have proven they are bad. Sebastian brought up percentages. The percentage of newbie games first lynch mafia is a lot lower than ring.
Anyway gobble is scum, so obvious.
Please follow through with an explanation with your last statement because if it's some meta thing I wouldn't have a clue. To me the thing that would stick out for me is how easily he sheeps to BH's reasoning and method of choosing the lynch target. Raises my alert level for him but not so much where I would say he's obvious scum so if there's something I'm missing please elaborate.
On July 17 2014 03:20 Damdred wrote: This is shit.
Basing a day one vote on rng is crap. Rob shouldn't be lynched because of that. This is how he plays emotional. Lets not hammer him and have a real conversation
Ok, were you going to follow up on that? Do you have any suspicions at the moment since all you've said is you want to keep Robik around but you haven't said anything about anyone else. Makes me suspicious that you're simply trying to keep up the activity for appearances.
##Vote damdred At the moment, your semi-inactivity but push for 'real conversation' just doesn't match up.
And let's be honest I've only glazed over the spam + flame war but do tell me if there's something juicy
Yea sorry I had anniversary date with the wife today and didn't want to log in to check mafia during it....
Robs good to have around though even when he gets over emotional like right now and spams the thread to hell at least he can read people and puts some form of pressure on it. However this flame war wasn't getting us anywhere really muddles what we can learn from people. I'd say we need to look elsewhere right now besides rob and obi until they calm down at least.
Snickers put forward a couple of things that Kush pointed at that I want to hear more about.
Fair enough. Who are you personally suspecting as scum then, I am assuming you've got some slight suspicion towards Snickers but other than that I have nothing on what you're thinking.
On July 17 2014 03:51 MysteryMeat1 wrote: Just a quick glance and i think robik is town, bit busy at the moment but ill be on later tonight
On July 17 2014 16:46 MysteryMeat1 wrote: So its time to start participatin as im done with three straight days of 10 hour days!
Just from a quick read through,
I really don't like obi, i read through his filter and felt that he didn't really contribute anything. The post where he goes how is your defense working, seemed really really whiny that your defense was working. I don't see obi and Robik being on the same team. If one was to flip green i would probably kill the other one.
Somehow instead of saying 'obi red, robik green' you've ended up with a really weak 'one is red, one is green' statement. I have no idea how you managed to pretty much backflip on robik given the implications of what you said. Did you forget what you said and slip up
pre-post edit: lol literally said what obi just said before reading his post
On July 17 2014 16:59 ObiWanShinobi wrote: ##unvote ##vote mysterymeat1
two wishy washy reads on two players that are incredibly town and a (maybe) scumread that doesnt make any sense. scumreading someone for lacking contribution is incredibly scummy if they have nothing to give you on something like day 1, but my filter is the second most active in the game and that read doesnt make any sense.
and even though youve accused me of not contributing, your first post into the game is an immediate backtrack of your townread on robik for no reason followed by two not-reads.
youre mafia. bye.
Your post is almost as bad as MM1's. You essential bitch about me being scum for 30 hours and then you say that I'm incredibly town.
On July 17 2014 16:59 ObiWanShinobi wrote: ##unvote ##vote mysterymeat1
two wishy washy reads on two players that are incredibly town and a (maybe) scumread that doesnt make any sense. scumreading someone for lacking contribution is incredibly scummy if they have nothing to give you on something like day 1, but my filter is the second most active in the game and that read doesnt make any sense.
and even though youve accused me of not contributing, your first post into the game is an immediate backtrack of your townread on robik for no reason followed by two not-reads.
youre mafia. bye.
Your post is almost as bad as MM1's. You essential bitch about me being scum for 30 hours and then you say that I'm incredibly town.
On July 17 2014 04:37 Snickers wrote: Yea it's time for you guys to stop voting robik.
Atleast two players have proven they are bad. Sebastian brought up percentages. The percentage of newbie games first lynch mafia is a lot lower than ring.
Anyway gobble is scum, so obvious.
Please follow through with an explanation with your last statement because if it's some meta thing I wouldn't have a clue. To me the thing that would stick out for me is how easily he sheeps to BH's reasoning and method of choosing the lynch target. Raises my alert level for him but not so much where I would say he's obvious scum so if there's something I'm missing please elaborate.
On July 17 2014 03:20 Damdred wrote: This is shit.
Basing a day one vote on rng is crap. Rob shouldn't be lynched because of that. This is how he plays emotional. Lets not hammer him and have a real conversation
Ok, were you going to follow up on that? Do you have any suspicions at the moment since all you've said is you want to keep Robik around but you haven't said anything about anyone else. Makes me suspicious that you're simply trying to keep up the activity for appearances.
##Vote damdred At the moment, your semi-inactivity but push for 'real conversation' just doesn't match up.
And let's be honest I've only glazed over the spam + flame war but do tell me if there's something juicy
Yea sorry I had anniversary date with the wife today and didn't want to log in to check mafia during it....
Robs good to have around though even when he gets over emotional like right now and spams the thread to hell at least he can read people and puts some form of pressure on it. However this flame war wasn't getting us anywhere really muddles what we can learn from people. I'd say we need to look elsewhere right now besides rob and obi until they calm down at least.
Snickers put forward a couple of things that Kush pointed at that I want to hear more about.
Fair enough. Who are you personally suspecting as scum then, I am assuming you've got some slight suspicion towards Snickers but other than that I have nothing on what you're thinking.
##unvote ##vote MysteryMeat1
Snickers is acting a bit odd he will probably say a good deal of it was due to him being tired as he alluded to several times in his posts. His actions don't make a lot of sense to me during his discourse with Obi and Kush. He called them both scummy and he decided to avoid the questions they asked, well the questions that he was avoiding most of the thread at the time had asked. After awhile he finally answered and said he was just trying to get conversation going. That answer is really frustrating to me, if he was trying to pressure information out of those two that is ok but yea all of that to just get conversation going when it was already flowing.
He goes on to insult people to do stuff in the thread....However before I say hes scummy I really want to read these cases he says hes going to post today and his explanation on himself.
On July 17 2014 04:37 Snickers wrote: Yea it's time for you guys to stop voting robik.
Atleast two players have proven they are bad. Sebastian brought up percentages. The percentage of newbie games first lynch mafia is a lot lower than ring.
Anyway gobble is scum, so obvious.
Please follow through with an explanation with your last statement because if it's some meta thing I wouldn't have a clue. To me the thing that would stick out for me is how easily he sheeps to BH's reasoning and method of choosing the lynch target. Raises my alert level for him but not so much where I would say he's obvious scum so if there's something I'm missing please elaborate.
On July 17 2014 03:20 Damdred wrote: This is shit.
Basing a day one vote on rng is crap. Rob shouldn't be lynched because of that. This is how he plays emotional. Lets not hammer him and have a real conversation
Ok, were you going to follow up on that? Do you have any suspicions at the moment since all you've said is you want to keep Robik around but you haven't said anything about anyone else. Makes me suspicious that you're simply trying to keep up the activity for appearances.
##Vote damdred At the moment, your semi-inactivity but push for 'real conversation' just doesn't match up.
And let's be honest I've only glazed over the spam + flame war but do tell me if there's something juicy
Yea sorry I had anniversary date with the wife today and didn't want to log in to check mafia during it....
Robs good to have around though even when he gets over emotional like right now and spams the thread to hell at least he can read people and puts some form of pressure on it. However this flame war wasn't getting us anywhere really muddles what we can learn from people. I'd say we need to look elsewhere right now besides rob and obi until they calm down at least.
Snickers put forward a couple of things that Kush pointed at that I want to hear more about.
Fair enough. Who are you personally suspecting as scum then, I am assuming you've got some slight suspicion towards Snickers but other than that I have nothing on what you're thinking.
##unvote ##vote MysteryMeat1
Snickers is acting a bit odd he will probably say a good deal of it was due to him being tired as he alluded to several times in his posts. His actions don't make a lot of sense to me during his discourse with Obi and Kush. He called them both scummy and he decided to avoid the questions they asked, well the questions that he was avoiding most of the thread at the time had asked. After awhile he finally answered and said he was just trying to get conversation going. That answer is really frustrating to me, if he was trying to pressure information out of those two that is ok but yea all of that to just get conversation going when it was already flowing.
He goes on to insult people to do stuff in the thread....However before I say hes scummy I really want to read these cases he says hes going to post today and his explanation on himself.
if you dont want to call snickers scummy, then you should probably move your vote onto mm1. meat is far and away the best lynch today.
On July 17 2014 16:46 MysteryMeat1 wrote: So its time to start participatin as im done with three straight days of 10 hour days!
Just from a quick read through,
I really don't like obi, i read through his filter and felt that he didn't really contribute anything. The post where he goes how is your defense working, seemed really really whiny that your defense was working. I don't see obi and Robik being on the same team. If one was to flip green i would probably kill the other one.
Your reads are confusing, so let me try to rephrase:
1) obi is scum because he did not contribute.
2) obi's 'how is robik's defense working' post seems like a scum expressing disappointment at the fact that robik got off the noose.
3) obi is on a different team to robik
So doesn't that by logic mean robik is town?
Or do you think that if obi flipped town despite your suspicions, then robik would be scum - but why? Why would obi being town make robik scum when you haven't stated what makes robik guilty?
If your answer is that obi and robik are really at odds with each other and are unlikely to be on the same team, then that's not really an argument for obi-town implying robik-scum. Town doesn't know who else is town and it's very common to find 2 townies being mortal enemies. So the enemy of a townie isn't necessarily scum.
the conclusion you should be drawing from your analysis is that mm1 is being a politician about keeping his lynch targets open. there is no read to be drawn from that post, and trying to correct his thought process isnt what you should be trying to accomplish. instead, voting him is probably the best course of action, because youve caught him doing something incredibly scummy and he should die for it.
oh yeah, i forgot to mention the most important thing: I'm Town -- everyone celebrate!
On July 16 2014 10:36 IAmRobik wrote: If anyone even considers laying a finger on Kush this game, I'll have your fucking ballsack
On July 16 2014 15:07 IAmRobik wrote: is this IML?
On July 16 2014 15:08 IAmRobik wrote: Also, BH, are you such shit tier that you think that rando lynching is better than your chances of leading a lynch against someone who's mafia?
On July 16 2014 15:29 IAmRobik wrote: I'm positive that I'm town. Looks like a lot of people are ready to mislynch me. This makes me sad as I've never been mislynched in forum mafia...hell, i've never been lynched as mafia either...but i'm town in this game, so it would be a mislynch.
On July 16 2014 15:30 IAmRobik wrote: 2 more people voting me ensures a towny gets lynched d1. If anyone thinks that's pro-town, feel free to vote me. If you decide that you don't want to be donkey dicks and want to refrain from lynching town, feel free to unvote me. the sooner the better.
On July 16 2014 15:34 IAmRobik wrote: BH, this is just making you look dumb if you're town or you're doing what you need to do as mafia
On July 16 2014 16:05 IAmRobik wrote: Am I mislynched yet?
On July 16 2014 16:13 IAmRobik wrote: I'm going to bed. If I wake up and I'm mislynched I'm going to put my tail between my legs and walk away because fml getting mislynched
It was after these posts that BH said:
On July 16 2014 16:19 Blazinghand wrote: honestly iamrobik even if I hadn't rnged you, after this last series of posts there's zero chance i'm not voting you. are you kidding me lol you think anyone's gonna buy that fake anger crap
So his case on me has to be based off of posts before that statement. If he wants to explain how me spamming makes me mafia as an addendum to his "real" case, that's fine, but if the majority of it isn't from before that statement, then that's completely unacceptable, as he would not be able to justify the statement that he made.
SPECIFICALLY, he has to focus his "real" case on me on my "last few posts" before he made that statement.
Basically, what I'm saying is that, he won't be able to make a case. He was trying to get a townie mislynched and my case against him is so fucking strong that he should be strung up by a noose should he give anything less than a spectacular accusation...one that he's avoided giving for like 24hrs now.
On July 17 2014 16:46 MysteryMeat1 wrote: So its time to start participatin as im done with three straight days of 10 hour days!
Just from a quick read through,
I really don't like obi, i read through his filter and felt that he didn't really contribute anything. The post where he goes how is your defense working, seemed really really whiny that your defense was working. I don't see obi and Robik being on the same team. If one was to flip green i would probably kill the other one.
Your reads are confusing, so let me try to rephrase:
1) obi is scum because he did not contribute.
2) obi's 'how is robik's defense working' post seems like a scum expressing disappointment at the fact that robik got off the noose.
3) obi is on a different team to robik
So doesn't that by logic mean robik is town?
Or do you think that if obi flipped town despite your suspicions, then robik would be scum - but why? Why would obi being town make robik scum when you haven't stated what makes robik guilty?
If your answer is that obi and robik are really at odds with each other and are unlikely to be on the same team, then that's not really an argument for obi-town implying robik-scum. Town doesn't know who else is town and it's very common to find 2 townies being mortal enemies. So the enemy of a townie isn't necessarily scum.
the conclusion you should be drawing from your analysis is that mm1 is being a politician about keeping his lynch targets open. there is no read to be drawn from that post, and trying to correct his thought process isnt what you should be trying to accomplish. instead, voting him is probably the best course of action, because youve caught him doing something incredibly scummy and he should die for it.
This is all true. It could very well be MM1 + BH. If so, I was soooo right about a scum defending me
The fact that robik wasn't hammered when he was at L-1 means either both scum were on his wagon or that he himself is scum. clearly he's scum and mad he got rnged
the issue with lynching you is that bh always rngs, and people generally overthrow the rng idea as soon as the game gets underway. any of the players here that genuinely believed that an rng lynch was a good idea need to be shot into the sun.
your reaction was incredibly contrived and youre acting like he needed a reason to vote you in the early game, which is basically nothing more than rvs at best. its actually sensible for bh to want to keep voting you for that series of posts. you managed to clean up your play later despite being an asshole, and thats why people dont want to lynch you anymore.
acting like he only has a set period of time to lynch you is nonsense. this isnt time crisis.
srsly though why would scum defend you instead of voting you if your'e really town as you say? optimal scum play would be to either hammer you and have a hilarious short D1 (you'd be surprised how little hammerers get blamed) or to be on your wagon and let you get hammered. the fact that you're alive right now tells me you're scum.
On July 18 2014 02:28 Blazinghand wrote: The fact that robik wasn't hammered when he was at L-1 means either both scum were on his wagon or that he himself is scum. clearly he's scum and mad he got rnged
On July 18 2014 02:34 Blazinghand wrote: yeah robik time to unvote me
srsly though why would scum defend you instead of voting you if your'e really town as you say? optimal scum play would be to either hammer you and have a hilarious short D1 (you'd be surprised how little hammerers get blamed) or to be on your wagon and let you get hammered. the fact that you're alive right now tells me you're scum.
You still have yet to explain what made me scum from that series of posts. As for why scum doesn't hammer me, that's fucking obvious..it makes them look so fucking bad when I flip. The fact that I'm alive right now is based off of the fact that I'm town and I fought like hell to get people to unvote me
On July 18 2014 02:34 ObiWanShinobi wrote: the issue with lynching you is that bh always rngs, and people generally overthrow the rng idea as soon as the game gets underway. any of the players here that genuinely believed that an rng lynch was a good idea need to be shot into the sun.
your reaction was incredibly contrived and youre acting like he needed a reason to vote you in the early game, which is basically nothing more than rvs at best. its actually sensible for bh to want to keep voting you for that series of posts. you managed to clean up your play later despite being an asshole, and thats why people dont want to lynch you anymore.
acting like he only has a set period of time to lynch you is nonsense. this isnt time crisis.
also, if you agree with me, go vote mm1.
Idgaf if BH always RNGs. It's a 9 person game, not a huge mish mash with infinitely more mislynches than this game affords.
I didn't say he has a set period of time to lynch me. I said that he has a limited time to make a case. He said he had a super strong case on why I'm mafia. He also called me mafia based off of a string of posts I made. He can't say that "your mafia because of this string of posts" and then have his only justification for me being mafia because I'm still alive and I wasn't hammered.
I have a feeling Rob was not hammered because hammering on rng in a nine man game is crap. Lets be honest anyone who hammered rob and he turned up town would get insta lynched the next day mafia would not take that risk and any towny who would do that a few hours into the game would deserve to die lol.
MM post is weird he gets called out on it relatively quick and then never responds after that. If he would of come out stronger and said why he thinks one is mafia it would of been better but yea wish he would of responded to the next few posts to him instead of going lurker since then.
On July 18 2014 02:42 Blazinghand wrote: >whines for 48 hours >claims he fought like hell
yeah 0% chance i'm unvoting you
if you want him to die that badly, then youll have the opportunity to lynch him later. either he can prove himself town to you, or he gets shot, or he slips up and someone makes a really strong case on him, etc etc... no matter what, he should be left alone today.
mm1 is the lynch today. lets take care of him first.
I'm not sure I understand your motives for defending BH here. He isn't defending his RNG anymore.
-RNG makes me the lynch -4 people vote for me -I make like 4-5 posts -BH says that my posts are scummy -BH says he has a "REAL" case against me -I inquire what about my posts makes me scummy -This is completely ignored and he keeps mentioning a "real" case against me -His case against me has nothing to do with what made my posts scummy and everything to do with the fact that I wasn't hammered.
I will say this: I can sorta see things from BH's perspective with regards to no one hammering, but like, are you serious? He won't even consider that mafia didn't want to hammer a towny cause they'd look bad? Are you for serious brah? And then he can't justify anything about why my earlier comments were scummy and then he says that the "real" reason is the RNG.
nahnahnah. i'd rather lynch mafia first and then take a chance on the person who you think is scum. I need to make sure that my lynch gets done while I'm still alive.
Plus, it's kinda rude. MM1 was lynched d1 the last game that he's played. Hell, I'm not really sure he's made it past d1 in any of his games on TL. Give the dude a chance to play 1 game day
On July 18 2014 03:19 IAmRobik wrote: Plus, it's kinda rude. MM1 was lynched d1 the last game that he's played. Hell, I'm not really sure he's made it past d1 in any of his games on TL. Give the dude a chance to play 1 game day
there's literally zero chance I'm getting lynched today, but nice try making up a non-reason to defend mm1 robik
the solidest thing in the game is RNG and it has told us to lynch Robik
come on guys you don't really think any of you has a case that's better than 22%, right? Are you really THAT sure you're on scum? the RNG is a guaranteed infallible scum lynch that works 100% of the time, 22% of the time
On July 18 2014 03:24 ObiWanShinobi wrote: what other games has mm1 played?
i dont know his meta.
He played a newbie game, but i wasn't following it. He just played in the Fire game that BH hosted and he was lynched d1 in a game where people weren't really playing. It was quite sad.
I don't know what MM1's meta is, but he plays video mafia with us every so often and he's a really nice genuine dude, which was why I didn't want to lynch him in the recent BH mini. That and I was too busy trying to lynch scum!CR, town!Banks and scum!snickers.
Basically I solved the game on d1.
The only reason to lynch him is that he has 2 chicks sleeping at his house these next few weeks while his parents are out of town and he should be focusing on bedding both of them simultaneously instead of playing mafia with us.
I think robik is town though which is why i would vote to lynch obi. Like bh stated above, i think 2 mafia where already on that bandwagon. If a mafia wasnt he coukd just post something along the lines of, i think your mafia blahblahblah and vote. The fact that didnt happen makes me think robik was town.
If robik was mafia and i was mafia you dont think i coulf just hammer robik and buy town cred for life. I mean after all i always vote on mafia.
Simba, you're gonna have to vote BH with me today. I refuse to have you wagon anyone else. Either that, or I'm going to flip on you and vote with Cava to lynch you.
Also i have been mislynched d1 but in the game wherr i made it past d1, i correctly guessed the mafia and which one of them was them was the roleblocker. In tge last game that i was mislynched i messaged chairmany ray that he and snickers were mafia after i died on d1.
Give me a minute to reread the thread robik, there is this nagging feeling in the back of my mind that i dont like kush. Could be because the only game i played with him he was mafia and 3 of us got modkilled on omgus for inactivity lol...
alright so i've reread through BH filter, nothing really stands out except for the fact that he keeps on going on RNG this far into the game.
@sylencia, im town, and i don't have perfect information this early on in the game, i mean we haven't even reached a night phase yet , im not going to just jump into a lynch vote especially in IML where i go afk for like 8 hours and come back and see someone that i voted on gets lynched when they make a good town defense.
On July 18 2014 04:09 MysteryMeat1 wrote: alright so i've reread through BH filter, nothing really stands out except for the fact that he keeps on going on RNG this far into the game.
@sylencia, im town, and i don't have perfect information this early on in the game, i mean we haven't even reached a night phase yet , im not going to just jump into a lynch vote especially in IML where i go afk for like 8 hours and come back and see someone that i voted on gets lynched when they make a good town defense.
It is not odd to you that BH is just relying on rng at this point and keeps pointing to rob?
You pointed to obi for being scum earlier do you stand by that? Is there anyone else who you think is scummy?
so because i think robik is town and Robik has generally good town reads when he's town. people I wouldn't lynch today would be kush, robik, snickers, and i would also put you in that list as well damdred. You haven't posted a lot but all of your posts have been really towny. As in trying to get the game in going in a good direction.
As for the reason i went lurker mode, its because i made the post at like 1:30 Am and then went to sleep after a few minutes.
On July 18 2014 04:19 ObiWanShinobi wrote: okay, i thought it over and mm1 is still scum.
also, robik, im stealing your defense for future games. ill make some work arounds but its basically mine now.
Go for it. I actually felt like shit as I was doing it. I felt so fucking grimy. It's a straight AtE defense where I just hope that town can see that I'm town based off of how much I care. At this point, town should see I'm town based off of my reads, the fact that I'm really trying to solve the game, and the sick nasty case that I brought up against BH
On July 17 2014 16:59 ObiWanShinobi wrote: ##unvote ##vote mysterymeat1
two wishy washy reads on two players that are incredibly town and a (maybe) scumread that doesnt make any sense. scumreading someone for lacking contribution is incredibly scummy if they have nothing to give you on something like day 1, but my filter is the second most active in the game and that read doesnt make any sense.
and even though youve accused me of not contributing, your first post into the game is an immediate backtrack of your townread on robik for no reason followed by two not-reads.
youre mafia. bye.
This is really your only read, besides saying at the end of every post lets lynch MM1... I've posted more so can you please tell me what your updated read is besides going i've thought it over, and your still scum. Your not even bothering to reevaluate at all which makes you pretty scummy
On July 18 2014 04:20 MysteryMeat1 wrote: i think snickers is town
what made you think this?
In the last game snickers was a lot more douchey as mafia, Rereading over his filter after my thoughts on BH i think they could potentially be together, but i just feel like all of his posts scream scummy and if he was mafia i think he would be more subtle than that. Probably donkey town
Robik- Did not reread his filter but the feel I get is his town play. I think with four votes on him, mafia robik would not care about the game and just leave. (maybe he saw it as an opportunity to look townie) I will read into him later but I am worried he has not called me scum yet.
Kush-Scum, I will post a case with an explanation of my points later. If you are a good player you could read his filter and see he is scum without me guiding you. Hint: his defending posts are terrible.
Just a side note, I had this feeling right. The feeling I felt when me and bh were talking to a scum player late at night. I got the same feeling talking to kush last night. THE FEELING OF BULLSHIT.
Gobble- I do not see much usefulness in his posts (not many posts either) so I would fine lynching him today if it came down to it. After some more thought he looks extremely scummy.
List of his quotes that sit wrong with me.
"Obi and me vote him to see what happen" Ok so assumption and this also seems like a scum slip to me. (or was it not assumption because of the scum qt?)
"shut up Robik" I do not like seeing people trying to get others to stop talking with a mean tone (maybe his mean tone is to get Robik fired up and make the thread more disastrous)
Also he gets super defensive and accusing me of having no reason for calling him scum but he has no problem hoping on the Robik train for no reason to the point where robik was one away from hammer. This principle in his mind does not add up which is one thing I look for in scum.
Sylencia-So the way I see it currently. Talked about roles, first serious post is tied into with a post. Second serious post is tied with another vote. So to form his votes, he does not even raise questions. Scummy
Snickers-this guy is def scum because of his meta.
MM Want to hear more but I am getting a town vibe on him. Currently he is posting more in the thread.
Obi This guys filter has a high ratio of bullshit to helpful information. I think he scum.
Things that stick out.
His "motive for defending bh" post is terrible. This is explains his bad play more than alignment I think.
He lied with his 100% remark.
His reason for voting MM never even mentions how MM had two or less posts at that time. What the hell? Either not sincere or a ball player.
The more I look at it he looks more like a bad player than scum.
Damdred- His posts seem to have a scum mindset behind them. I could easily see myself posting what he is as scum.
Bh-Will look into him later.
So in short. People who I want to see more activity from or I will lynch the shit of them. Gobble, Sylencia, Obi, Damdred,
People who I want to see more info from but probably would not lycnh them if they afked for the rest of day one. MM
If anybody has any questions about this post or any of my other posts I will answer in 100% detail.
Also your an idiot if you do not think my initial posts did not produce activity.
Just a quick note do not hammer bh (as in do not hammer anyone until later or I will think you are scummy as fuck) One of the reasons as scum I would have fucked robik over by hammering him is because day one would have so little info and then this has an exponential effect of town roles being weak. IN SHORT DO NOT HAMMER EARLY, PEOPLE SAY IT IS DUMB FOR ME TO SAY IT BUT SHIT LIKE THIS AND SHIT LIKE PEOPLE ALLOWING SCUM TO HAMMER EARLY IS DUMBBBBBBB.
On July 18 2014 04:20 MysteryMeat1 wrote: i think snickers is town
what made you think this?
In the last game snickers was a lot more douchey as mafia, Rereading over his filter after my thoughts on BH i think they could potentially be together, but i just feel like all of his posts scream scummy and if he was mafia i think he would be more subtle than that. Probably donkey town
Donkey town. My record with people in this game
Me 1-0 Robik
Me 1-0 MM
mannn im so good i wrecked both of you the first day and night.
On a serious note. MM you said you liked kush because of his play of looking at my meta.
I already explained how newbie of a move this is because I have only flipped non power role scum and town power role. People usually do not say scum power role (I do not know why) but most likely I am VT this game (statistically) so most likely reading my meta is useless. Also even if it was not useless he pulls terrible info out of it. He pulled something from a game where he thought I or BH was scum and both of was town.
Robik why the fuck is kush town. I will sway you later.
Also I realized something. I do not have time but the feeling I get from BH is complete non interest in the game. He seemed to do this in the other game I played with him as Vanilla town but I thought he would be more serious towards the final vote. Well this is IML so that could happen anytime so I am okay spurting this thought out and am leaning scum towards him.
Kush is town because I said so. Kush is town because if you read how he starts this game and how he's started his recent games, the tonality of his post is 100% different. Kush is town because if you read into his first post, he seems genuinely happy to have rolled town.
Read his start to Order (m) Read his start to World Cup (t) Read his start to Storm II (m)
So robik youve been acting strangely this game. Not much talk about people's logic being shit. I could def see a kush and you team.
Please explain how kush repeating the same question to me without me even behind in the thread is not super scummy. It serves no purpose as a town player.
Also why have you not been on people's asses for posting fluff. Or have I missed this. (seriously I may have).
WTF MM you actually think he is the cop? Why the hell would the cop come out when only three votes on him. EXPLAIN YOUR REASONING BH Or I will personally hammer the shit out of you.
On July 18 2014 05:17 Snickers wrote: WTF MM you actually think he is the cop? Why the hell would the cop come out when only three votes on him. EXPLAIN YOUR REASONING BH Or I will personally hammer the shit out of you.
stop posting like you have any fucking pull in this thread whatsoever.
also, since bh claimed cop, we are going back to lynching mm1 unless someone counterclaims him.
And also obi wants me to stop posting... Scummy as hell. Anyway just a warning. My activity will drop so fast if no one actually responds to my case on kush later. Also obi why the hell did you take my criticism of you seriously when you thought I was scum.
Like The only reason he votes to lynch me is cause i called him mafia. Granted my post may have not been of the highest calibre. However after i post more he says that he has thought about it, and still thinks i'm mafia. Doens't even bother to reavulate his reads. At first I didn't think the fact that he voted on me was scummy but the fact that he hasn't bothered to reevaluate his reads afterwards.
His defense to me calling him scum is good luck trying to mislynch me, my filter is longer is a bullshit reason just like all of his other posts.
So, I have to assume that you're not playing well if you're losing all your games
you and i both know that this isnt true.
You played decently in Order. Your play in World Cup was abysmal. You didn't play too well in Storm. You got mislynched in your newbie games. You're clearly doing something wrong and the fact that you're not reevaluating what you did wrong is hindering your growth.
Following a RNG lynch on a townie isn't going to help you improve your game. Why don't you try to make some ACTUAL reads. If you ACTUALLY think I'm mafia and can come up with reasons for it, then fine, vote me. But like if you're trying to lynch me cause I'm a BM asshole who tells it how it is or cause you want to follow RNG, then that's bad play and I will continue to berate you til I die, and then again in post game...maybe even some in PMs
But again, this is just if your'e town this game. If you're scum, then you're really not making many mistakes other than unvoting me. That was a poor move if you're scum, because I'm sure someone will be dumb enough to come and hammer me cause I annoy them or a I post too much or for whatever poor fucking reason they want to make.
youre acting like you played super well in your newbie games, to the point where town was dumb enough to lynch a claimed cop instead of the guy who made the most blatantly mafia post of the entire game, and i only got shot in storm because somebody decided they didnt like me.
fun fact? your bullheaded self righteousness was what ended up saving me in world cup, to the point where i was convincing enough to soak up medic protection. you were the one spearheading both mislynches, in yet you just gloss over it because youre so obsessed with shitting on other players instead.
and im not the one getting lynched today. if you want someone to come up with reads, it should be you, since your ass is on the line for the contrived bullshit you were posting earlier, and ESPECIALLY after you followed it up with shitting on people.
honestly, you have the most unbelievably skewed version of events and it fucking pisses me off that you can honestly sit here and call yourself so much better when you just wound up getting luckier than i did.
also that bolded part of im not getting lynched so i don't have to give reads, is the dumbest shit i have ever heard. Im going to live to the next day so i don't have to say anything worth it is fucking dumb.
I would like to add, i don't think Blazinghand as cop would claim in this situation. The reason being is that if there is a roleblocker/saver on the town side, or a roleblocker on the mafia side, he basically never gets a check. This whole entire game. Mafia can literally keep him alive until roleblocker gets lynched and then they kill BH in the night and he doesn't get any useful information.
On July 18 2014 05:24 MysteryMeat1 wrote: But i really really don't like obiwanshinobi,
Like The only reason he votes to lynch me is cause i called him mafia. Granted my post may have not been of the highest calibre. However after i post more he says that he has thought about it, and still thinks i'm mafia. Doens't even bother to reavulate his reads. At first I didn't think the fact that he voted on me was scummy but the fact that he hasn't bothered to reevaluate his reads afterwards.
His defense to me calling him scum is good luck trying to mislynch me, my filter is longer is a bullshit reason just like all of his other posts.
So, I have to assume that you're not playing well if you're losing all your games
you and i both know that this isnt true.
You played decently in Order. Your play in World Cup was abysmal. You didn't play too well in Storm. You got mislynched in your newbie games. You're clearly doing something wrong and the fact that you're not reevaluating what you did wrong is hindering your growth.
Following a RNG lynch on a townie isn't going to help you improve your game. Why don't you try to make some ACTUAL reads. If you ACTUALLY think I'm mafia and can come up with reasons for it, then fine, vote me. But like if you're trying to lynch me cause I'm a BM asshole who tells it how it is or cause you want to follow RNG, then that's bad play and I will continue to berate you til I die, and then again in post game...maybe even some in PMs
But again, this is just if your'e town this game. If you're scum, then you're really not making many mistakes other than unvoting me. That was a poor move if you're scum, because I'm sure someone will be dumb enough to come and hammer me cause I annoy them or a I post too much or for whatever poor fucking reason they want to make.
youre acting like you played super well in your newbie games, to the point where town was dumb enough to lynch a claimed cop instead of the guy who made the most blatantly mafia post of the entire game, and i only got shot in storm because somebody decided they didnt like me.
fun fact? your bullheaded self righteousness was what ended up saving me in world cup, to the point where i was convincing enough to soak up medic protection. you were the one spearheading both mislynches, in yet you just gloss over it because youre so obsessed with shitting on other players instead.
and im not the one getting lynched today. if you want someone to come up with reads, it should be you, since your ass is on the line for the contrived bullshit you were posting earlier, and ESPECIALLY after you followed it up with shitting on people.
honestly, you have the most unbelievably skewed version of events and it fucking pisses me off that you can honestly sit here and call yourself so much better when you just wound up getting luckier than i did.
also that bolded part of im not getting lynched so i don't have to give reads, is the dumbest shit i have ever heard. Im going to live to the next day so i don't have to say anything worth it is fucking dumb.
##Vote:Obiwanshinobi
i didnt call you scum because you called me scum. i called you scum because you didnt call anyone anything but basically said you were open to lynching two people for no reason whatsoever.
its like calling you out for a legitimate thing is grounds for an omgus scumread, and it isnt.
On July 18 2014 05:16 Snickers wrote: So robik youve been acting strangely this game. Not much talk about people's logic being shit. I could def see a kush and you team.
Please explain how kush repeating the same question to me without me even behind in the thread is not super scummy. It serves no purpose as a town player.
Also why have you not been on people's asses for posting fluff. Or have I missed this. (seriously I may have).
Not enough energy to yell at everyone.
Also, everyone in this game is playing scumily. I'll let you guys figure out why BH needs to die today no your own. I've already expressed myself
I liked what you said in your posts Snickers and your recent posts have made a lot of sense. I'm willing to move my vote to BH, but not for a few more hours.
On July 18 2014 05:16 Snickers wrote: So robik youve been acting strangely this game. Not much talk about people's logic being shit. I could def see a kush and you team.
Please explain how kush repeating the same question to me without me even behind in the thread is not super scummy. It serves no purpose as a town player.
Also why have you not been on people's asses for posting fluff. Or have I missed this. (seriously I may have).
Not enough energy to yell at everyone.
Also, everyone in this game is playing scumily. I'll let you guys figure out why BH needs to die today no your own. I've already expressed myself
look, unless someone else claims the only available pr in the game then we arent lynching bh until later, at the very least.
and snickers, shut the fuck up. you arent going to get to lynch me ever and telling me to be towny is like telling water to be wet.
On July 18 2014 05:16 Snickers wrote: So robik youve been acting strangely this game. Not much talk about people's logic being shit. I could def see a kush and you team.
Please explain how kush repeating the same question to me without me even behind in the thread is not super scummy. It serves no purpose as a town player.
Also why have you not been on people's asses for posting fluff. Or have I missed this. (seriously I may have).
Not enough energy to yell at everyone.
Also, everyone in this game is playing scumily. I'll let you guys figure out why BH needs to die today no your own. I've already expressed myself
look, unless someone else claims the only available pr in the game then we arent lynching bh until later, at the very least.
and snickers, shut the fuck up. you arent going to get to lynch me ever and telling me to be towny is like telling water to be wet.
Oh yeah? What do you know about lynching non-cc'd PRs d1?
On July 18 2014 05:16 Snickers wrote: So robik youve been acting strangely this game. Not much talk about people's logic being shit. I could def see a kush and you team.
Please explain how kush repeating the same question to me without me even behind in the thread is not super scummy. It serves no purpose as a town player.
Also why have you not been on people's asses for posting fluff. Or have I missed this. (seriously I may have).
Not enough energy to yell at everyone.
Also, everyone in this game is playing scumily. I'll let you guys figure out why BH needs to die today no your own. I've already expressed myself
look, unless someone else claims the only available pr in the game then we arent lynching bh until later, at the very least.
and snickers, shut the fuck up. you arent going to get to lynch me ever and telling me to be towny is like telling water to be wet.
Oh yeah? What do you know about lynching non-cc'd PRs d1?
First I think BH claim was too early and is a shit move whether someone counterclaims or not. I don't think d1 lynching a cop claim is a good idea so idk what snickers thought there voting bh after bh claimed.
Second I do think MM1 is shady due to his weird post on robik and obi. I would lynch him if he gets more votes and time runs short otherwise its snicks for me.
On July 18 2014 06:22 IAmRobik wrote: For the record, if no one CC's, I will be CCing by EOD
You're obviously not a blue role, since you didn't claim with 4 votes on you when you thought you were dead. This is probably, btw, the only real point in favor of you being scum, because a VT would not be willing to fakeclaim to save himself whereas scum would be if he was good.
That being said, you're not good, so yeah, you're still scum, RNG is still king, we should still lynch you.
Also, I claimed at 3 votes because I didn't want to die. There's no reason to lynch me today. Unless scum has an RB or chooses to shoot me, I'll have a check tomorrow. The only way I'm getting lynched is if scum CCs, which is much better than claiming at 4 votes, and scum hammering me. Scum would be lynched D2 for hammering me, but they'd still prefer that then getting into a CC battle with me and potentially losing and getting lynched first.
On July 18 2014 05:27 MysteryMeat1 wrote: ##Vote:Obiwanshinobi
forgot to bold it.
I would like to add, i don't think Blazinghand as cop would claim in this situation. The reason being is that if there is a roleblocker/saver on the town side, or a roleblocker on the mafia side, he basically never gets a check. This whole entire game. Mafia can literally keep him alive until roleblocker gets lynched and then they kill BH in the night and he doesn't get any useful information.
And why would you assume mafia has roleblock? I doubt town escort would roleblock the fakeclaim because countering and lynching would be better. This is random mafia, unless...you are scum and slipped?
I like how mysterymeat thinks that I would think there's somehow a town JK this game, or even any other PR. there's only one blue in the game, and that's me. simple and easy.
pre-post edit: lol literally said what obi just said before reading his post
Don't lynch this guy.
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why not? second time you said sylencia was really townie, but he doesn't seem that townie at al to me.
Also people shoudl realize that there are a lot of newer players this game. And newer players tend to look scummy when they're not, so keep that in mind.
It was a perfectly fine time to claim a PR, what are you talking about? I just explained it. In any case, you should all be thanking me for claiming and averting a mislynch.
On July 18 2014 06:52 kushm4sta wrote: bh, hypothetically if youwere on a scumteam with 2 goons, it would be safe to assume there are no town prs, right?
well, if the setup didn't explicitly state there was exactly 1 pr, then yes, but as it happens, the OP explicitly states there's exactly 1 PR so go stuff it
Snickers: Ride or Die is a phrase for saying you believe that i am town and will never lynch me. I don't think i would be lynching Snickers anytime soon
On July 18 2014 07:28 MysteryMeat1 wrote: i didn't see the part that says there was only one PR, if there is only one PR then why would you claim. Your not going to live past tonight then...
i'm also not gonna get mislynched day 1 so you're welcome
He's been softing it all day. I hope the town PR cc's though, because even without town PR, I think this game is easily solvable.
Cava,
BH just did what you were down in World Cup. He was hinting at being cop without just coming out and saying it.
in a way, yes. there are several differences:
1) i was at the end of my rope and fakeclaiming was literally the only way to stay alive. in a closed setup, there was actually a good chance for me to get away with my claim. 2) this is a mostly open setup, as in if there was a blue that wasnt BH, they would claim and we would just lynch him. theres simply no way to effectively fake a blue role here like there was in world cup. 3) pushing for an rng lynch makes him a derp, not scum. mm1 is the one making incredibly scummy posts in yet were overlooking him in order to push someone because of his modus operandi, for some goddamn reason.
if bh does this every game, its not alignment indicative and you cant pretend that it is. is it annoying? for some, yeah. is it scummy? not really.
it was the obvious truth. what do you expect mafia to do? i expect mafia to write exactly what he said, to excuse himself for repeating exactly what other people are saying.
So when are we doing to lynch bh and kush and end this game.
Bh has done nothing productive this day and then claims cop when he has three votes on him.
How can somebody who played as many mafia games as bh suck so much that he does nothing important but still has to claim to save his role. How have you played so many games of mafia but still can look townie day one.
Dont counter claim him lets just lynch him. AND KUSH.
...... The main problem why people are bad at this game is because they think there are these "rules" that apply to every situation because they have no restrictions.
Obi you make no sense how about you attempt to be useful now so we dont end up in a lylo. Also someone explain to me how bh is so bad he cannot even avoid being lynched day one as a pr.
cool, so we have BH cop claim and robik counter claim blue.
Only one of them can be blue, and the other is VT or mafia. I doubt a VT fake counterclaiming because that just doesn't make sense. BH fakeclaiming blue as VT would be counterproductive, because a blue counterclaim would ensure a townie gets lynched, not a good idea.
It's not certain that if BH is blue, that he actually is cop. He may be a non-cop blue pretending to be a cop to throw mafia off. That way, because he is the real blue, he's safe, but mafia are misled as to what town can do.
Case 1: BH is blue, robik mafia
Why would robik counterclaim as mafia? If he was mafia, and he got BH lynched and BH turned blue, then he's next. At the end of day 2 it would be 5-1 which is very town favoured. So I don't think that's likely.
Case 2: BH is mafia, robik blue
We can assume that BH was genuinely concerned that he would get lynched. So if he was mafia, either he gets lynched if he says nothing, or by fakeclaiming at least he has a chance of getting town to mislynch the actual blue. This might be the case, in which case we lynch BH.
Case 3: BH is VT, robik blue
It's not very possible to tell Case 2 from Case 3. I don't think BH would do something as dumb as VT fakeclaim blue, confusing town more than it confuses mafia. I think this isn't likely.
So I think we lynch BH, as he's not likely to be blue or VT, and more likely a desperate mafia.
On July 18 2014 15:10 gobbledydook wrote: I think we can ignore MM1 and Snickers' claims, probably just joking.
Ugh, i just want you all to know that all of you who are jokingly fakeclaiming are awful and making it difficult to determine who is actually counterclaiming, thereby making it easier for scum.
unless snickers retracts his claim I will not unvote him, since he hard claimed.
Like, hey, assholes who are fakeclaiming, what happens if someone hammers me and then we have no idea who the real cc is who we should be lynching tomorrow?
On July 18 2014 15:10 gobbledydook wrote: I think we can ignore MM1 and Snickers' claims, probably just joking.
Ugh, i just want you all to know that all of you who are jokingly fakeclaiming are awful and making it difficult to determine who is actually counterclaiming, thereby making it easier for scum.
unless snickers retracts his claim I will not unvote him, since he hard claimed.
On July 18 2014 15:10 gobbledydook wrote: I think we can ignore MM1 and Snickers' claims, probably just joking.
Ugh, i just want you all to know that all of you who are jokingly fakeclaiming are awful and making it difficult to determine who is actually counterclaiming, thereby making it easier for scum.
unless snickers retracts his claim I will not unvote him, since he hard claimed.
BH IS FUCKING LYING.
you hard claimed blue, yes? so since you hard claimed blue, that means one of the two of us is scum. If town lynches me today, my dying will is that 100% you get lynched tomorrow, no matter what, no excuses. Robik is obv fake since robik is terrible and/or scum, and MM is I guess joking or unclear. but yours is clear, so you are the ccer.
you die today or you die tomorrow, no other way around it.
On July 18 2014 15:17 ObiWanShinobi wrote: agreed with bh.
i wish i didnt join this game. this is retarded.
Like, amazingly, it would have been fine if scum cced me and town lynched me. I'd be like perfectly okay with that. But instead, at LEAST one of the other blue claims is town, probably 2, maybe (MAYBE) 3. Who the fuck jokingly ccs blue in a situation like this?
Therefore I take the strongest claim at face value; snickers is scum. the lynch is ONLY between me and him today, nobody else. If I get lynched, lynch him tomorrow, no excuses.
Anyone voting me (besides snickers, obviously), must swear on their honor that if I flip blue, snickers get lynched tomorrow as the blue CCer. That's my only requests for you "players" (i use the broadest definition of the word).
On July 18 2014 15:21 Snickers wrote: Bh show me where you were hinting you as cop in your filter? I only saw one place?
why are you asking this question? this guy is confirmed mafia to you, it shouldnt matter how many times he softed or whatever.
Coming from the guy that says I am mafia then proceeds to fulfill my request.
Rly? I ask the guy questions to convince the rest of you. Obi has some really weird way of thinking, I do not understand why he is on my ass so much. Last time I had this feeling the guy was mafia.
And Bh why do you think "Hard Clamining" is more valuable than someone saying they hinted in his filter he was blue.
On July 18 2014 15:24 kushm4sta wrote: so we have 4 claimed blues...
Yeah, which even in the best case means there's at least once super awful VT, possibly 2, maybe, just maybe 3. Like, in the world where snicks, mm, and robik are all somehow town, scum is sitting in their QT laughing their ass off.
but even best case scenario, we have at least one player who is awful, so awful. just.... so.... awful.
On July 18 2014 15:21 Snickers wrote: Bh show me where you were hinting you as cop in your filter? I only saw one place?
why are you asking this question? this guy is confirmed mafia to you, it shouldnt matter how many times he softed or whatever.
Coming from the guy that says I am mafia then proceeds to fulfill my request.
Rly? I ask the guy questions to convince the rest of you. Obi has some really weird way of thinking, I do not understand why he is on my ass so much. Last time I had this feeling the guy was mafia.
And Bh why do you think "Hard Clamining" is more valuable than someone saying they hinted in his filter he was blue.
Why am I on your ass? Are you fucking kidding me?
Oh my lord who art in heaven, you're not kidding me. You didn't read the OP. you don't know how many blues there are. you don't even know why i'm voting you, do you?
On July 18 2014 06:20 Blazinghand wrote: Nobody's lynching me today. Not even you lot are dumb enough to lynch an uncced blue claim, and there will not be a cc.
lol and woops sorry bh got you confused with Robik. (I think Robik)
On July 18 2014 06:20 Blazinghand wrote: Nobody's lynching me today. Not even you lot are dumb enough to lynch an uncced blue claim, and there will not be a cc.
lol and woops sorry bh got you confused with Robik. (I think Robik)
any and all VTs fakeclaiming blue this game, or forgetting who said what, or not reading the op, is awful. You guys see why I RNG day 1? Do you see now? THIS is what I have to deal with when I try to actually interact with people.
it's like
it's like trying to play speed chess with someone, and I play 1. e4 and every time it's his turn, he just screams wordlessly and flings lego dudes at the chessboard.
On July 18 2014 15:28 kushm4sta wrote: snickers so you are parity cop right? this is not a fake claim?
I would like to hear a straight-up answer to this as well. Also @mm and @robik
because we have 4 fucking blue claims. like shit, i figure 2 are town rather than 1 town 2 scum, even though that's retarded, because why would the 2nd scum also fakeclaim blue? so it must be 2 town 1 scum amonst the ccers (or even 3 town... oh how scum would be laughing in their qt...)
On July 18 2014 15:28 kushm4sta wrote: snickers so you are parity cop right? this is not a fake claim?
I would like to hear a straight-up answer to this as well. Also @mm and @robik
because we have 4 fucking blue claims. like shit, i figure 2 are town rather than 1 town 2 scum, even though that's retarded, because why would the 2nd scum also fakeclaim blue? so it must be 2 town 1 scum amonst the ccers (or even 3 town... oh how scum would be laughing in their qt...)
ugh
ugh so
ugh
yeah it's fucked up, when I wrote my vote on you it was only robik, so if it wasn't him then it was you, but now this. I still think MM1 and snickers are trolling, but don't troll with such serious business -.-
On July 18 2014 15:31 kushm4sta wrote: bh u are like the king of fake claims. you should be in heaven. as an avid hater of fake claims this is my hell.
no kush. we are having fun. WE ARE HAVING SO MUCH FUN.
On July 18 2014 15:31 kushm4sta wrote: bh u are like the king of fake claims. you should be in heaven. as an avid hater of fake claims this is my hell.
I am the king of fakeclaiming when scum, yes. But look, we have 4 claims, which means we are mathematically guaranteed that AT LEAST one VANILLA TOWNIE is fakeclaiming, which is SO bad. it's SO bad.
On July 18 2014 15:31 Snickers wrote: People assuming things are awful to. Also people that put a a single word Hint "hard" above a bunch of actions. Idkkkkk yooo
stop beating around the bush. are you claiming or not?
On July 18 2014 15:28 kushm4sta wrote: snickers so you are parity cop right? this is not a fake claim?
I would like to hear a straight-up answer to this as well. Also @mm and @robik
because we have 4 fucking blue claims. like shit, i figure 2 are town rather than 1 town 2 scum, even though that's retarded, because why would the 2nd scum also fakeclaim blue? so it must be 2 town 1 scum amonst the ccers (or even 3 town... oh how scum would be laughing in their qt...)
ugh
ugh so
ugh
yeah it's fucked up, when I wrote my vote on you it was only robik, so if it wasn't him then it was you, but now this. I still think MM1 and snickers are trolling, but don't troll with such serious business -.-
On July 18 2014 15:28 kushm4sta wrote: snickers so you are parity cop right? this is not a fake claim?
I would like to hear a straight-up answer to this as well. Also @mm and @robik
because we have 4 fucking blue claims. like shit, i figure 2 are town rather than 1 town 2 scum, even though that's retarded, because why would the 2nd scum also fakeclaim blue? so it must be 2 town 1 scum amonst the ccers (or even 3 town... oh how scum would be laughing in their qt...)
ugh
ugh so
ugh
yeah it's fucked up, when I wrote my vote on you it was only robik, so if it wasn't him then it was you, but now this. I still think MM1 and snickers are trolling, but don't troll with such serious business -.-
why is mm trolling but robik not trolling?
Because when robik claimed blue the trolling hadn't started yet and I doubt robik set out to troll.
On July 18 2014 15:28 kushm4sta wrote: snickers so you are parity cop right? this is not a fake claim?
I would like to hear a straight-up answer to this as well. Also @mm and @robik
because we have 4 fucking blue claims. like shit, i figure 2 are town rather than 1 town 2 scum, even though that's retarded, because why would the 2nd scum also fakeclaim blue? so it must be 2 town 1 scum amonst the ccers (or even 3 town... oh how scum would be laughing in their qt...)
ugh
ugh so
ugh
yeah it's fucked up, when I wrote my vote on you it was only robik, so if it wasn't him then it was you, but now this. I still think MM1 and snickers are trolling, but don't troll with such serious business -.-
why is mm trolling but robik not trolling?
robik's claim is obviously false since he didn't claim blue when he was 1 vote away from getting lynched and thought he was gonna die. He's either scum or a VT, but he's certainly not blue. Robik's blue claim is definitely fake, but I do not trust anyone but me to be smart enough to recognize this. It's also, hilariously, not particularly alignment-indicative, I guess, since we have all kinds of weird shit going on.
On July 18 2014 15:28 kushm4sta wrote: snickers so you are parity cop right? this is not a fake claim?
I would like to hear a straight-up answer to this as well. Also @mm and @robik
because we have 4 fucking blue claims. like shit, i figure 2 are town rather than 1 town 2 scum, even though that's retarded, because why would the 2nd scum also fakeclaim blue? so it must be 2 town 1 scum amonst the ccers (or even 3 town... oh how scum would be laughing in their qt...)
ugh
ugh so
ugh
yeah it's fucked up, when I wrote my vote on you it was only robik, so if it wasn't him then it was you, but now this. I still think MM1 and snickers are trolling, but don't troll with such serious business -.-
why is mm trolling but robik not trolling?
Because when robik claimed blue the trolling hadn't started yet and I doubt robik set out to troll.
On July 18 2014 15:33 Snickers wrote: Ok I am the king of creating discussion.
Second off I retract my hard claim.
I soft claim parity cop.
No, no you don't soft claim parity cop. Look at this snickers, what if I got hammered RIGHT NOW, and my dying wish is that the person who cced me gets lynched tomorrow? are you fucking kidding me? if you're a vanilla townie, get the fuck off of claimville or I will spend the rest of my life building a time machine, and I'll go back in time and kick your grandfather in the balls so hard that they explode and your dad is never born and therefore you're never born.
On July 18 2014 15:28 kushm4sta wrote: snickers so you are parity cop right? this is not a fake claim?
I would like to hear a straight-up answer to this as well. Also @mm and @robik
because we have 4 fucking blue claims. like shit, i figure 2 are town rather than 1 town 2 scum, even though that's retarded, because why would the 2nd scum also fakeclaim blue? so it must be 2 town 1 scum amonst the ccers (or even 3 town... oh how scum would be laughing in their qt...)
ugh
ugh so
ugh
yeah it's fucked up, when I wrote my vote on you it was only robik, so if it wasn't him then it was you, but now this. I still think MM1 and snickers are trolling, but don't troll with such serious business -.-
why is mm trolling but robik not trolling?
Because when robik claimed blue the trolling hadn't started yet and I doubt robik set out to troll.
Why didn't robik claim blue when he was 1 vote away from being hammered for hours on end?
Obi do you have a reading problem. I do not think BH is the real cop. I think MM was being serious. Nobody is confirmed anything to me. I just think bh is mafia. And i think MM is pr.
So snickers is back to a vt claim, which leaves mm1 and robik
robik is obviously not blue (could be green or red) since he didn't claim blue when he was super close to being lynched (and he really didn't want to get lynched, it looks like-- he'd have claimed if he could).
On July 18 2014 15:37 Snickers wrote: Obi do you have a reading problem. I do not think BH is the real cop. I think MM was being serious. Nobody is confirmed anything to me. I just think bh is mafia. And i think MM is pr.
I just want you to realize how stupid you are. What if right after you hardclaimed cop, I got hammered, with my dying wish being that you get lynched tomorrow?
ugh
whatever i'm done until mm1 or robik is back, none of you are relevant
On July 18 2014 15:37 Snickers wrote: Obi do you have a reading problem. I do not think BH is the real cop. I think MM was being serious. Nobody is confirmed anything to me. I just think bh is mafia. And i think MM is pr.
I just want you to realize how stupid you are. What if right after you hardclaimed cop, I got hammered, with my dying wish being that you get lynched tomorrow?
ugh
whatever i'm done until mm1 or robik is back, none of you are relevant
On July 18 2014 15:37 Snickers wrote: Obi do you have a reading problem. I do not think BH is the real cop. I think MM was being serious. Nobody is confirmed anything to me. I just think bh is mafia. And i think MM is pr.
I just want you to realize how stupid you are. What if right after you hardclaimed cop, I got hammered, with my dying wish being that you get lynched tomorrow?
ugh
whatever i'm done until mm1 or robik is back, none of you are relevant
what if you are mafia.
in the case where I'm mafia, it's still a shit move to add a 3rd blue claim cause what if MM1 got lynched and town didn't know which of us was the real fakeclaimer. We'd both say "oh no I unclaim blue" and then it'd be the same shit, town might mislynch again instead of getting a free scumlynch
the fact that you don't know it's a shit move is pretty amazing, I hope you weren't one of my students in a newbie game, cause I'd be pretty embarassed you came out of it with ideas like this
On July 18 2014 15:42 ObiWanShinobi wrote: can we please fucking policy lynch snickers
I erased and rewrote the post you're reading now several times because a deep part of me wants to destroy snickers. I want him to experience and endless death. I want him to not exist.
But part of me also knows that me disliking his play doesn't make him scum.
That being said, if we lynched everyone who tried this BS, we'd never see it any more.
On July 18 2014 15:28 kushm4sta wrote: snickers so you are parity cop right? this is not a fake claim?
I would like to hear a straight-up answer to this as well. Also @mm and @robik
because we have 4 fucking blue claims. like shit, i figure 2 are town rather than 1 town 2 scum, even though that's retarded, because why would the 2nd scum also fakeclaim blue? so it must be 2 town 1 scum amonst the ccers (or even 3 town... oh how scum would be laughing in their qt...)
ugh
ugh so
ugh
yeah it's fucked up, when I wrote my vote on you it was only robik, so if it wasn't him then it was you, but now this. I still think MM1 and snickers are trolling, but don't troll with such serious business -.-
why is mm trolling but robik not trolling?
Because when robik claimed blue the trolling hadn't started yet and I doubt robik set out to troll.
Why didn't robik claim blue when he was 1 vote away from being hammered for hours on end?
Do you then think robik fakeclaimed to get back at you for RNGing him? Thinking this over again I feel robik played weird. Why, after barely not dying, dive into this fakeclaim shit again? Either robik is a blue with balls of steel (but then why spam) or he just sucks.
On July 18 2014 15:09 gobbledydook wrote: cool, so we have BH cop claim and robik counter claim blue.
Only one of them can be blue, and the other is VT or mafia. I doubt a VT fake counterclaiming because that just doesn't make sense. BH fakeclaiming blue as VT would be counterproductive, because a blue counterclaim would ensure a townie gets lynched, not a good idea.
It's not certain that if BH is blue, that he actually is cop. He may be a non-cop blue pretending to be a cop to throw mafia off. That way, because he is the real blue, he's safe, but mafia are misled as to what town can do.
Case 1: BH is blue, robik mafia
Why would robik counterclaim as mafia? If he was mafia, and he got BH lynched and BH turned blue, then he's next. At the end of day 2 it would be 5-1 which is very town favoured. So I don't think that's likely.
Case 2: BH is mafia, robik blue
We can assume that BH was genuinely concerned that he would get lynched. So if he was mafia, either he gets lynched if he says nothing, or by fakeclaiming at least he has a chance of getting town to mislynch the actual blue. This might be the case, in which case we lynch BH.
Case 3: BH is VT, robik blue
It's not very possible to tell Case 2 from Case 3. I don't think BH would do something as dumb as VT fakeclaim blue, confusing town more than it confuses mafia. I think this isn't likely.
So I think we lynch BH, as he's not likely to be blue or VT, and more likely a desperate mafia.
##unvote ##vote Blazinghand
I really don't like this post. He writes a lot about some very obvious logic. He doesn't really think deeply about the reasons why robik's claim is probably not real. Looks like he just wants to put his vote down somewhere, whereas everyone else is trying to figure shit out. Plus nothing jumps out at me as especially townie in his filter.
On July 18 2014 15:28 kushm4sta wrote: snickers so you are parity cop right? this is not a fake claim?
I would like to hear a straight-up answer to this as well. Also @mm and @robik
because we have 4 fucking blue claims. like shit, i figure 2 are town rather than 1 town 2 scum, even though that's retarded, because why would the 2nd scum also fakeclaim blue? so it must be 2 town 1 scum amonst the ccers (or even 3 town... oh how scum would be laughing in their qt...)
ugh
ugh so
ugh
yeah it's fucked up, when I wrote my vote on you it was only robik, so if it wasn't him then it was you, but now this. I still think MM1 and snickers are trolling, but don't troll with such serious business -.-
why is mm trolling but robik not trolling?
Because when robik claimed blue the trolling hadn't started yet and I doubt robik set out to troll.
Why didn't robik claim blue when he was 1 vote away from being hammered for hours on end?
Do you then think robik fakeclaimed to get back at you for RNGing him? Thinking this over again I feel robik played weird. Why, after barely not dying, dive into this fakeclaim shit again? Either robik is a blue with balls of steel (but then why spam) or he just sucks.
robik clearly was freaking out, potentially because he was scum getting lynched for hilarious reasons. if he were blue, why would he not claim when it could have been a literal game-changer?
no, he's definitely not blue. he is claiming to get back at me for rnging him, either as a vt or as scum. he's certainly awful enough to try it as a vt. he could be scum, though.
in any case, snickers is no longer urgent, I don't buy robik's claim as believable, so it's between me and mm1
bh I think it's more optimal to save the fakeclaim lynch for another day. That gives MM time to come back and explain himself. Also gives you and him time to look more townie, and give us a better idea of who is probably the scum between you.
On July 18 2014 15:09 gobbledydook wrote: cool, so we have BH cop claim and robik counter claim blue.
Only one of them can be blue, and the other is VT or mafia. I doubt a VT fake counterclaiming because that just doesn't make sense. BH fakeclaiming blue as VT would be counterproductive, because a blue counterclaim would ensure a townie gets lynched, not a good idea.
It's not certain that if BH is blue, that he actually is cop. He may be a non-cop blue pretending to be a cop to throw mafia off. That way, because he is the real blue, he's safe, but mafia are misled as to what town can do.
Case 1: BH is blue, robik mafia
Why would robik counterclaim as mafia? If he was mafia, and he got BH lynched and BH turned blue, then he's next. At the end of day 2 it would be 5-1 which is very town favoured. So I don't think that's likely.
Case 2: BH is mafia, robik blue
We can assume that BH was genuinely concerned that he would get lynched. So if he was mafia, either he gets lynched if he says nothing, or by fakeclaiming at least he has a chance of getting town to mislync-h the actual blue. This might be the case, in which case we lynch BH.
Case 3: BH is VT, robik blue
It's not very possible to tell Case 2 from Case 3. I don't think BH would do something as dumb as VT fakeclaim blue, confusing town more than it confuses mafia. I think this isn't likely.
So I think we lynch BH, as he's not likely to be blue or VT, and more likely a desperate mafia.
##unvote ##vote Blazinghand
I really don't like this post. He writes a lot about some very obvious logic. He doesn't really think deeply about the reasons why robik's claim is probably not real. Looks like he just wants to put his vote down somewhere, whereas everyone else is trying to figure shit out. Plus nothing jumps out at me as especially townie in his filter.
If I don't elaborate my logic then you say I am being vague and scumread me. I still think on the balance robik is actually blue. You don't like my read that's fine. But who do you think is the real blue? All you've done is snipe from the sidelines without giving reads.
On July 18 2014 06:27 Blazinghand wrote: Also, I claimed at 3 votes because I didn't want to die. There's no reason to lynch me today. Unless scum has an RB or chooses to shoot me, I'll have a check tomorrow. The only way I'm getting lynched is if scum CCs, which is much better than claiming at 4 votes, and scum hammering me. Scum would be lynched D2 for hammering me, but they'd still prefer that then getting into a CC battle with me and potentially losing and getting lynched first.
This answer is complete fluff. How about you attempt for a real answer bh.
On July 18 2014 15:51 ObiWanShinobi wrote: kush, do you know how many games gg has played?
dunno
the issue with pointing out that hes making bad posts is that you have to compare it to his past history. if this is his first game, which could be possible as ive never seen him around here before, its entirely possible that that post is his way of trying to solve the game, and he might not be able to look in depth the same way more experienced players can.
i would know, because i used to make the same kinds of posts back when i started here.
On July 18 2014 06:27 Blazinghand wrote: Also, I claimed at 3 votes because I didn't want to die. There's no reason to lynch me today. Unless scum has an RB or chooses to shoot me, I'll have a check tomorrow. The only way I'm getting lynched is if scum CCs, which is much better than claiming at 4 votes, and scum hammering me. Scum would be lynched D2 for hammering me, but they'd still prefer that then getting into a CC battle with me and potentially losing and getting lynched first.
This answer is complete fluff. How about you attempt for a real answer bh.
Also bh why did you not hard claim cop.
On July 18 2014 05:08 Blazinghand wrote: Stop it stop it I am the cop I am the cop stop in you idiot
I'm sorry, is this not a hard claim? I claimed because I didn't want to get lynched, that's my answer, it was a good time to claim, and just because you aren't experienced and knowledgeable to recognize that doesn't make it false.
On July 18 2014 15:50 kushm4sta wrote: sylencia is an invisible player, playing reactive, only jumping on obvious stuff.
i think the same thing goes for syl, too. syl rightfully called mm1 on his earlier shitpost (which i still think he should be lynched for) but your analysis is entirely dependent on mm1 being town. i dont understand how voting him for it makes her scum.
like I literally said "stop it stop it I am the cop I am the cop stop it you idiot"
I'm sorry is that not clear?
because it seems clear to me. I am the cop. I am the cop. I am the cop.
here let me make it more clear, in case people are confused about what i'm saying here.
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Ok so you make a big deal about me saying hard claim but you do not have to say it. MM claimed without hard claiming to.
I hope people can actually see how terrible your answer. Why not wait until four people jumped on you. I highly doubt anyone else would jump onto you there since Robik already got to four.
On November 14 2012 11:00 Blazinghand wrote: I claimed Jailkeeper!
You claimed jailkeeper less than half way through day 1!? The vote count that was just posted had like 4 votes on you. Why did you claim!? Were you really assured of being lynched that early day 1? You must have been acting really scummy to have like everyone against you so quick on day 1. If you were acting that scummy, maybe this is a ploy because who in their right mind claims so freakin early day 1?
I claimed half way through day 1 and we're better off for it. If you think I'm scum, feel free to come at me.
On May 22 2014 05:13 Steveling wrote: BH since you know there have being games with core blue claims that turned out red after flip, why did you claim so early in the game?
go do something anatomically surprising with yourself
To be more clear, because I don't want to be lynched, and my role still works fine as long as scum don't know the deets. You have to admit, it DID get people to unvote me, so it was a good move. Mid-D1 claim is imo a perfectly acceptable strat and use of a blue role.
etc etc
Also, the reason "hard" vs "soft" or whatever is important is because, as it became clear, you fuckign fakeclaimed blue in a 1-blue game, possibly as a townie. I needed you to make it Abso fucking LUTELY clear that you were claiming so that if I got lynched, I knew who to tell town to lycnh after me
I don't even know why i'm arguing with you, I might as well be debating economics with a freaking throw pillow
one thing that looks pretty townie about MM is his townread of snickers. Snickers is a potential mislynch, so I wouldn't expect scum to townread him so easily.
On July 18 2014 16:07 kushm4sta wrote: one thing that looks pretty townie about MM is his townread of snickers. Snickers is a potential mislynch, so I wouldn't expect scum to townread him so easily.
this i can understand. the only thing that bugs me about it is that he called snickers town for no reason whatsoever.
On July 17 2014 13:45 Snickers wrote: If you read closely, I was not even talking about that post. And it is time for me to come clean. Off of the top off my head, I said gg was obv scum to get discussion going. The reason I said him was because I find it most likely for scum to be the third one to jump on. Also I think his reasoning was weak. As for obis unvote, his reasoning was also weak.
Now these were mainly to get conversation going so I do not really care if my recalling of details is accurate.
And if Robik wants to read me mafia this game like last game I did something similar, well I would not have such a great case on kush without them .
That is just weak.
First your third one on the bandwagon theory is just wifom. Even if it were commonly accepted that those who jump in the middle were more scummy would scum not then game that? And as far as I can tell there is no evidence to suggest the alignment of players on a bandwagon based on time of jump and nor have you advanced your own theory.
Second you dismiss me and obi's arguments as weak but did not even bother to explain. It seems to me your arguments are the weakest of all.
And your defence that you were trying to get conversation going? There was already conversation going and your baseless accusations do not help. You look like someone who is trying to say something without saying anything.
##unvote ##vote snickers
This is something I see scum doing a lot. They make a big post defending themselves, then use their defense to justify a vote on someone. A defense of yourself isn't a reason why someone else is scum. Then at the end is the one justification of why snickers might be scum. It's an unspecific phrase that means nothing.
On July 17 2014 13:45 Snickers wrote: If you read closely, I was not even talking about that post. And it is time for me to come clean. Off of the top off my head, I said gg was obv scum to get discussion going. The reason I said him was because I find it most likely for scum to be the third one to jump on. Also I think his reasoning was weak. As for obis unvote, his reasoning was also weak.
Now these were mainly to get conversation going so I do not really care if my recalling of details is accurate.
And if Robik wants to read me mafia this game like last game I did something similar, well I would not have such a great case on kush without them .
That is just weak.
First your third one on the bandwagon theory is just wifom. Even if it were commonly accepted that those who jump in the middle were more scummy would scum not then game that? And as far as I can tell there is no evidence to suggest the alignment of players on a bandwagon based on time of jump and nor have you advanced your own theory.
Second you dismiss me and obi's arguments as weak but did not even bother to explain. It seems to me your arguments are the weakest of all.
And your defence that you were trying to get conversation going? There was already conversation going and your baseless accusations do not help. You look like someone who is trying to say something without saying anything.
##unvote ##vote snickers
This is something I see scum doing a lot. They make a big post defending themselves, then use their defense to justify a vote on someone. A defense of yourself isn't a reason why someone else is scum. Then at the end is the one justification of why snickers might be scum. It's an unspecific phrase that means nothing.
yeah, i remember doing this in wc. i can get behind this i think.
On July 17 2014 13:45 Snickers wrote: If you read closely, I was not even talking about that post. And it is time for me to come clean. Off of the top off my head, I said gg was obv scum to get discussion going. The reason I said him was because I find it most likely for scum to be the third one to jump on. Also I think his reasoning was weak. As for obis unvote, his reasoning was also weak.
Now these were mainly to get conversation going so I do not really care if my recalling of details is accurate.
And if Robik wants to read me mafia this game like last game I did something similar, well I would not have such a great case on kush without them .
That is just weak.
First your third one on the bandwagon theory is just wifom. Even if it were commonly accepted that those who jump in the middle were more scummy would scum not then game that? And as far as I can tell there is no evidence to suggest the alignment of players on a bandwagon based on time of jump and nor have you advanced your own theory.
Second you dismiss me and obi's arguments as weak but did not even bother to explain. It seems to me your arguments are the weakest of all.
And your defence that you were trying to get conversation going? There was already conversation going and your baseless accusations do not help. You look like someone who is trying to say something without saying anything.
##unvote ##vote snickers
This is something I see scum doing a lot. They make a big post defending themselves, then use their defense to justify a vote on someone. A defense of yourself isn't a reason why someone else is scum. Then at the end is the one justification of why snickers might be scum. It's an unspecific phrase that means nothing.
The whole post is a refutation of his post showing why it is weak and you say I slip in a note at the end with the lynch. You need glasses.
On July 18 2014 15:09 gobbledydook wrote: cool, so we have BH cop claim and robik counter claim blue.
Only one of them can be blue, and the other is VT or mafia. I doubt a VT fake counterclaiming because that just doesn't make sense. BH fakeclaiming blue as VT would be counterproductive, because a blue counterclaim would ensure a townie gets lynched, not a good idea.
It's not certain that if BH is blue, that he actually is cop. He may be a non-cop blue pretending to be a cop to throw mafia off. That way, because he is the real blue, he's safe, but mafia are misled as to what town can do.
Case 1: BH is blue, robik mafia
Why would robik counterclaim as mafia? If he was mafia, and he got BH lynched and BH turned blue, then he's next. At the end of day 2 it would be 5-1 which is very town favoured. So I don't think that's likely.
Case 2: BH is mafia, robik blue
We can assume that BH was genuinely concerned that he would get lynched. So if he was mafia, either he gets lynched if he says nothing, or by fakeclaiming at least he has a chance of getting town to mislync-h the actual blue. This might be the case, in which case we lynch BH.
Case 3: BH is VT, robik blue
It's not very possible to tell Case 2 from Case 3. I don't think BH would do something as dumb as VT fakeclaim blue, confusing town more than it confuses mafia. I think this isn't likely.
So I think we lynch BH, as he's not likely to be blue or VT, and more likely a desperate mafia.
##unvote ##vote Blazinghand
I really don't like this post. He writes a lot about some very obvious logic. He doesn't really think deeply about the reasons why robik's claim is probably not real. Looks like he just wants to put his vote down somewhere, whereas everyone else is trying to figure shit out. Plus nothing jumps out at me as especially townie in his filter.
If I don't elaborate my logic then you say I am being vague and scumread me. I still think on the balance robik is actually blue. You don't like my read that's fine. But who do you think is the real blue? All you've done is snipe from the sidelines without giving reads.
Here he starts to OMGUS me. He did the same thing when fuba suspected him in detention mafia.
On July 18 2014 16:23 kushm4sta wrote: so gg, because snickers's read is wrong he's scum?
No, it's not only that it's wrong. Being wrong is fine, I'm probably wrong on some of my reads too, this being a 'guessing game of epic proportions'. But it's that he was offering one line posts (no effort), then trying to justify his no effort with a weak argument that therefore I refuted and used as evidence to vote him. Do note that this was in the first half of the first page of his filter. Since then he has contributed more, possibly because of the votes pressuring him.
And then he does the weird fake claim shit, I mean wtf? I don't even know what to think of that.
On July 18 2014 15:09 gobbledydook wrote: cool, so we have BH cop claim and robik counter claim blue.
Only one of them can be blue, and the other is VT or mafia. I doubt a VT fake counterclaiming because that just doesn't make sense. BH fakeclaiming blue as VT would be counterproductive, because a blue counterclaim would ensure a townie gets lynched, not a good idea.
It's not certain that if BH is blue, that he actually is cop. He may be a non-cop blue pretending to be a cop to throw mafia off. That way, because he is the real blue, he's safe, but mafia are misled as to what town can do.
Case 1: BH is blue, robik mafia
Why would robik counterclaim as mafia? If he was mafia, and he got BH lynched and BH turned blue, then he's next. At the end of day 2 it would be 5-1 which is very town favoured. So I don't think that's likely.
Case 2: BH is mafia, robik blue
We can assume that BH was genuinely concerned that he would get lynched. So if he was mafia, either he gets lynched if he says nothing, or by fakeclaiming at least he has a chance of getting town to mislync-h the actual blue. This might be the case, in which case we lynch BH.
Case 3: BH is VT, robik blue
It's not very possible to tell Case 2 from Case 3. I don't think BH would do something as dumb as VT fakeclaim blue, confusing town more than it confuses mafia. I think this isn't likely.
So I think we lynch BH, as he's not likely to be blue or VT, and more likely a desperate mafia.
##unvote ##vote Blazinghand
I really don't like this post. He writes a lot about some very obvious logic. He doesn't really think deeply about the reasons why robik's claim is probably not real. Looks like he just wants to put his vote down somewhere, whereas everyone else is trying to figure shit out. Plus nothing jumps out at me as especially townie in his filter.
If I don't elaborate my logic then you say I am being vague and scumread me. I still think on the balance robik is actually blue. You don't like my read that's fine. But who do you think is the real blue? All you've done is snipe from the sidelines without giving reads.
Here he starts to OMGUS me. He did the same thing when fuba suspected him in detention mafia.
It's true that you have sniped from the sidelines without giving reads on any of the 4 (fake)claims. You avoid my question. There's no pleasing you, good night.
On July 18 2014 16:23 kushm4sta wrote: so gg, because snickers's read is wrong he's scum?
No, it's not only that it's wrong. Being wrong is fine, I'm probably wrong on some of my reads too, this being a 'guessing game of epic proportions'. But it's that he was offering one line posts (no effort), then trying to justify his no effort with a weak argument that therefore I refuted and used as evidence to vote him. Do note that this was in the first half of the first page of his filter. Since then he has contributed more, possibly because of the votes pressuring him.
And then he does the weird fake claim shit, I mean wtf? I don't even know what to think of that.
blatant lie. If you leave the thread you are going to look super scummy to me.
On July 16 2014 18:52 gobbledydook wrote: So let's have a recap of what's been said and done:
BH RNGs robik to lynch, obi and me vote him to see what happens. robik becomes defensive and shouts that this is a bullshit lynch, it would be the first time he got mislynched (or lynched), and insults the people who voted him. BH thinks robik is really scum after those responses, which sounds like a scum getting randomly caught and raging. The implication being that a real town, secure in his innocence, wouldn't need to defend himself emotionally against what is essentially a nonsense lynch. Whereas a scum instinctively will protect himself strongly as scum are not expendable compared to town.
I agree with that line of reasoning, but I want to confirm, BH, is that what you think too? Do you have anything else to add?
If gobble or obi flip scum REMEMBER THIS POST. WE CANT TALK DURING NIGHT.
Atleast two players have proven they are bad. Sebastian brought up percentages. The percentage of newbie games first lynch mafia is a lot lower than ring.
Anyway gobble is scum, so obvious.
f robik is mafia and his partner is one of the four that voted, this post is the best post in the game. Obi why are you doing scummy stuff.
I retract some of my last statement but Obi unvoted in such a scummy way.
Answering kush. Best as in people people read flipped scum filters and get fooled by them. Aka everyone lets lynch everyone who did not vote robik.
such oneliner much content
the shit in the middle before the post I quoted was buried in a mile of robik spam, tldr, seems to be some accusation of kushmasta that I missed. Sorry.
Atleast two players have proven they are bad. Sebastian brought up percentages. The percentage of newbie games first lynch mafia is a lot lower than ring.
Answering kush. Best as in people people read flipped scum filters and get fooled by them. Aka everyone lets lynch everyone who did not vote robik.
such oneliner much content
the shit in the middle before the post I quoted was buried in a mile of robik spam, tldr, seems to be some accusation of kushmasta that I missed. Sorry.
So in most of that post and it seems like you are trying to prove me wrong. I am thinking to myself, oh maybe he meant i was posting some one liners.
Then you admit that you were wrong. Then apologize. I am puzzled.
Atleast two players have proven they are bad. Sebastian brought up percentages. The percentage of newbie games first lynch mafia is a lot lower than ring.
Anyway gobble is scum, so obvious.
f robik is mafia and his partner is one of the four that voted, this post is the best post in the game. Obi why are you doing scummy stuff.
I retract some of my last statement but Obi unvoted in such a scummy way.
Answering kush. Best as in people people read flipped scum filters and get fooled by them. Aka everyone lets lynch everyone who did not vote robik.
such oneliner much content
the shit in the middle before the post I quoted was buried in a mile of robik spam, tldr, seems to be some accusation of kushmasta that I missed. Sorry.
So in most of that post and it seems like you are trying to prove me wrong. I am thinking to myself, oh maybe he meant i was posting some one liners.
Then you admit that you were wrong. Then apologize. I am puzzled.
1) When I made the post accusing you I had only noticed your one liners and they didn't sit well with me. 2) When I made the post I just skipped through the robik spam and missed your bigger posts. 3) Sorry for accusing you based on a premise that is false due to my mistake.
On July 18 2014 16:45 Snickers wrote: Idk not reading the whole thread, shows disinterest. and you voted me but did not read solely my filter .
Sorry new to TL mafia (as you can see I have 1 game here and I got modkilled day 2), I don't use the filter as much as I should, I go with impressions a lot.
On July 18 2014 16:56 kushm4sta wrote: Gg you accused snickers of no effort after he had that long conversation with me and obi.
I said I didn't see that inside the wall of robik spam
That was way after the robik spam.
Now that I check his filter again it was on page 13 right at the end of the robik spam, but anyway I didn't read it before and now I did, I retract that accusation
GG, im talking about Snickers long conversation he had with me and obi. The one that ended with this quote, the quote you used in your case against him:
On July 17 2014 13:45 Snickers wrote: If you read closely, I was not even talking about that post. And it is time for me to come clean. Off of the top off my head, I said gg was obv scum to get discussion going. The reason I said him was because I find it most likely for scum to be the third one to jump on. Also I think his reasoning was weak. As for obis unvote, his reasoning was also weak.
Now these were mainly to get conversation going so I do not really care if my recalling of details is accurate.
And if Robik wants to read me mafia this game like last game I did something similar, well I would not have such a great case on kush without them .
You are saying you voted him because of lack of effort, but the time at which you voted was right after snickers had a long conversation with me and obi. Clearly you didn't miss that conversation.
Kind of sleep deprived but i dont think bh is the lynch for today, and that obi still hasnt posted anything worthwhile. Also bh please rescind your cop claim. I dont want to have to mislynch you as you're one of my top town atm.
Wait, kush you should already know my meta has always been reactive, be it town or scum. It's just the way I work, and you can look at my past games and pretty much see it's the reason why I was always a D1 target in the past. IIRC the only time I've was really proactive in scum hunting was ironically when I played Survivor so I really didn't care who was on which team :D
Anyways, since I missed out on all the blue drama: Isn't MM1 pretty obv scum from this exchange:
On July 18 2014 05:08 Blazinghand wrote: Stop it stop it I am the cop I am the cop stop in you idiot
On July 18 2014 05:14 MysteryMeat1 wrote: ##unvote: Blazinghand
On July 18 2014 05:20 MysteryMeat1 wrote: the way i see it, i have 24 hours to revote on him.
(in response to wtf you believe him)
On July 18 2014 15:02 MysteryMeat1 wrote: Also i thought it was pretty obvious that i softed that i was blue...
So following this chain of progression:
- MM1 soft drops cop hint in response to one of my prev statements to him - BH claims cop - MM1 unvotes and moves onto his prime target Obi - Claims blue after the 2nd blue claim comes along.
So there are a few weird choices here: - Why unvote after an apparent fake claim was made (from his eyes) instead of pushing - Why not claim on the spot if he was actually cop? His play just makes it so that everyone unvotes BH (at the time) and makes the CC more fishy?
I feel like MM's play was a forced pressure move by the scum team in order to try cause confusion, which it's done pretty nicely. In addition, if MM's play was on purpose and not just a simple backtrack, I could see it as an attempt to try and leave BH for the NK while pushing for an Obi lynch. Given the negative reaction to the idea, it seems he was forced to fake claim to make things harder for us.
MM is fake claiming because he thinks he's going to take a bullet for BH. The problem is that in order to take a bullet for the blue, he has to be pushing on the mafia who's claiming blue
fake claiming cop as town is the dumbest fucking thing you can do so just don't do it. It's okay when there isn't already a hard claim but when there is a claim like BH's already on the table, fake claiming is terrible.
THE GREAT NATION OF BLAZINGHAND DOES NOT NEGOTIATE WITH TERRORISTS
On July 19 2014 01:16 kushm4sta wrote: so robik you're fake claiming?
his claim is obviously blindingly fake, he didn't claim at L-1, to save his life (and potentially draw out a scum cc), which means he's not actually a blue.
robik, if BH flips town, which I know you think is unlikely but it's possible, then both you are mderg and going to say you were fake claiming, and it won't be clear which of you we should lynch. That's why you need to come clean about if you are fake claiming or not.
how could mm fake claim to protect you if he fake claimed before you??
I WANT IT ON THE RECORD: IF THERE IS A BLUE WHO IS NOT BH, PLEASE FUCKING CLAIM FOR THE LOVE OF GOD. I KNOW YOU THINK YOUR LIFE IS SUPER DUPER IMPORTANT -- IT'S NOT.
If we can lynch scum!BH, we can learn a fuckton from the interactions of today.
On July 19 2014 01:32 IAmRobik wrote: I WANT IT ON THE RECORD: IF THERE IS A BLUE WHO IS NOT BH, PLEASE FUCKING CLAIM FOR THE LOVE OF GOD. I KNOW YOU THINK YOUR LIFE IS SUPER DUPER IMPORTANT -- IT'S NOT.
If we can lynch scum!BH, we can learn a fuckton from the interactions of today.
This is robik unclaiming, which means the only cc is mm1
On July 18 2014 19:57 MysteryMeat1 wrote: Kind of sleep deprived but i dont think bh is the lynch for today, and that obi still hasnt posted anything worthwhile. Also bh please rescind your cop claim. I dont want to have to mislynch you as you're one of my top town atm.
On July 18 2014 23:01 MysteryMeat1 wrote: IM 100% serious about my claim, but im not lynching but we are not lynching bh today.
I honestly believe that MM1 was just trying to take a bullet for you. Him not wanting to lynch you makes no sense otherwise. Actually, there's 1 blue role that shouldn't claim if it's not BH, and that's the vigi.
On July 19 2014 01:42 IAmRobik wrote: I honestly believe that MM1 was just trying to take a bullet for you. Him not wanting to lynch you makes no sense otherwise. Actually, there's 1 blue role that shouldn't claim if it's not BH, and that's the vigi.
That WOULD explain the combination of MM1 being "100% serious" with his claim, but also not wanting to lynch me. He's not actually serious, he was trying to draw a shot off of me.
I guess it makes more sense than any other explanation
I swear if by some vodoo magick Robik, MM1, and Snickers were ALL Vts who counterclaimed the cop, I'm gonna fuckin
On July 19 2014 01:37 Blazinghand wrote: How is he 100% serious about his claime but also doesn't want to lynch me
ugh kush you're the only one who understands my pain, and is trying to solve the game, and yet here you are voting me
oh yeah and you!
On July 19 2014 01:44 kushm4sta wrote: ##unvote MM do you super duper double confirm that you are serious about being a PR? realize that if BH flips town, we have to lynch you next.
Kush is absolutely right. MM1, you need to say "I confirm I'm a PR, and if BH flips blue, town will lynch me and I understand that" or you need to back the fuck off
On July 19 2014 00:57 kushm4sta wrote: sylencia, if mm is obvious scum, wtf is going on with robik?
I never took his claim seriously. As we've now covered 1000 times, he never called his role at L-1 and if he WAS blue, that's just horrid play that could've just killed the game. I just treated it as a test for reactions more than anything
On July 19 2014 03:06 ObiWanShinobi wrote: im not going to be around for deadline.
any chance we coalesce before then?
we have to, since it's majority lynch. look, it's between me and mm, that's what it comes down to. mm has stated his claim is 100% real. I see there could be some "mm claimed in order to defend bh from getting shot" argument but he'd have backed down by now if that's the case.
We should vote mm and lynch him, and I can safely promise you if he flips blue i'll lie down and get lynched tomorrow, i'll even self-vote. I promise.
The only thing I ask is that if I should get lynched, when I flip blue, NO EXCUSES, MM1 gets lynched tomorrow. I'm 100% serious here, since people are probably gonna want to vote me over MM for some inscrutable reason, if I get lynche,d do NOT let him wiggle out of it. He claimed 100%, he is not backing down, so he has CCEd me, got it?
MM dies tomorrow if I die today, that's my only wish.
bh is way more likely to fake claim. bh claimed when he was under pressure whereas mm claimed out of no where. I dont see scum mm trying to pull a move like this. BH, i can see him doing it easily.
On July 19 2014 03:22 kushm4sta wrote: bh is way more likely to fake claim. bh claimed when he was under pressure whereas mm claimed out of no where. I dont see scum mm trying to pull a move like this. BH, i can see him doing it easily.
question: does this claim look any different than the dozens of times I not-fake-claim as town
question 2: do you promise to lynch mm tomorrow if I flip blue
On July 19 2014 03:28 kushm4sta wrote: dunno why you keep making people promise to do something that's beyond obvious. probably because you are trying to look town.
Obviously I want to look town, but kush, look around you. At LEAST 1 VT fakeclaimed blue, possibly 2, maybe even 3 if for some reason you think MM is town. I really really really need to spell it out to these people. I'm gonna be relying on you here to make sure mm actually gets lynched tomorrow. You think this is obvious, but you'd also think it would be obvious not to fakeclaim blue in the game with 1 blue as a townie, and 1 or 2 townies did that, so
yes, I need to make people promise something that's beyond obvious, you know why? because THIS is our town:
and honestly without me around you guys are probably stupid enough not to lynch mm tomorrow.
The worst thing about this is what if both flip green or one green one blue. Just wish someone would go just kidding guys but we are past that at this point...
On July 19 2014 03:46 Damdred wrote: The worst thing about this is what if both flip green or one green one blue. Just wish someone would go just kidding guys but we are past that at this point...
##Vote: Blazinghand
If he flips green or blue gotta lynch MM
Your logic is bad, if I flipped green for some reason, we would not have to lynch MM because MM could be telling the truth in that circumstance.
See, kush, see why I gotta spell it out?
If I flip blue, lynch mm. If I flip green, call me awful and terrible and do not lynch MM. if I flip red, do not lynch MM, and he's probably dead anyways.
On July 19 2014 03:46 Damdred wrote: The worst thing about this is what if both flip green or one green one blue. Just wish someone would go just kidding guys but we are past that at this point...
##Vote: Blazinghand
If he flips green or blue gotta lynch MM
Your logic is bad, if I flipped green for some reason, we would not have to lynch MM because MM could be telling the truth in that circumstance.
See, kush, see why I gotta spell it out?
If I flip blue, lynch mm. If I flip green, call me awful and terrible and do not lynch MM. if I flip red, do not lynch MM, and he's probably dead anyways.
Yea your right I did state that badly, Main concern is you flipping blue and him flipping green I suppose but since neither will get off the claim, just hope one of you flip red
wait until mm1 comes back to absolutely confirm that he's claiming blue, if you can. there's time left in the day and I don't want him wiggling out of it.
And on an unrelated note, I will never ever ever ever ever stop fake claiming as scum no matter how much you dislike it, kush.
Also, any VTs who fakeclaimed, I will make you suffer someday.
On July 19 2014 03:46 Damdred wrote: The worst thing about this is what if both flip green or one green one blue. Just wish someone would go just kidding guys but we are past that at this point...
##Vote: Blazinghand
If he flips green or blue gotta lynch MM
Your logic is bad, if I flipped green for some reason, we would not have to lynch MM because MM could be telling the truth in that circumstance.
See, kush, see why I gotta spell it out?
If I flip blue, lynch mm. If I flip green, call me awful and terrible and do not lynch MM. if I flip red, do not lynch MM, and he's probably dead anyways.
Yea your right I did state that badly, Main concern is you flipping blue and him flipping green I suppose but since neither will get off the claim, just hope one of you flip red
MM1 will unclaim after I flip, I'm absolutely sure of it, because it's his only possible chance to not get lynched tomorrow. he'll say he claimed to absorb a bullet for me. Don't buy it, don't let the fear of him being green stop you from lynching him. Lynch him tomorrow, okay?
On July 19 2014 03:55 kushm4sta wrote: ok i guess we should probably wait to see if MM comes back. i hate waiting on mm though.
Look, you admit there's a chance I'm town, so if I'm town, I *know* MM's plan is to unclaim blue after I'm hammered. He's actually probably here reading the thread and pretending to be afk. but I'd rather he have the fewest excuses possible. Also, I'll be relying on you kush, relying on you to make sure mm gets lynched tomorrow, and every word he says about being 100% sure he's claiming blue is helpful.
there's not really anything elseI can do to help than make SURE you guys lynch mm1 tomorrow. It's like, entirely plausible with this town that you wouldn't, so I need to make SURE you guys know you are supposed to lynch him tomorrow.
ok so forgot the cop claim. Bh has been rude, been doing time wasting shit like rng. Bh has not been productive. He has been defending himself. I have since too many times of things that a scum would say (gut feeling). Anyway I am eating the bullet tonight. No talking at night. READ My big post about everyone. it will save you a lot of time. I have to go to work soon.
And also there are multiple people in this game (for sure more than three so its not just scum) who are not putting any effort into their thorughts and just throwing bs around.
On July 19 2014 04:05 IAmRobik wrote: Hey BH, how does it feel to be on the precipice of dying with the townie that you tried to RNG lynch holding the fucking hammer
Cause I was only in one game with you and you were aggro, annoying mafia that game, and I feel the same thing oozing from you this game. 1-game meta ftw
I think I just want to lynch everyone who tries to emulate my "holier than though, I'm god, you all suck" attitude. There can only be one highlander!town!robik
On July 19 2014 04:07 Snickers wrote: Robik I am going to eat the bullet tonight you should be idolizing me.
scumslip, since if you think I'm scum, then mm the confirmed blue would be eating the bullet tonight, right? so you're scum with mm.
lynch mm then snickers after I die
More scum shit from you. you were acting like you would not die after claiming cop day one.
Second, WHO THE FUCK KNOWS ABOUT mm.
Third maybe I flipped a coin, and chose between the two "cops"
anyway how about you start being useful.
Why would I die after claiming cop, unless for some reason THREE people cced me? No, as D1 when I claim as a blue I should be safe, but you guys are just too terrible. And you're probably scum. Not a huge priority though, we lynch MM first.
On July 19 2014 04:10 Blazinghand wrote: What's the matter robik, why so afraid to hammer me? Cat got your tongue? Britches in a twist?
Cause I'm town and don't want to mishammer a potential blue. That's dumb. Should just lynch outside the claims and let mafia resolve it for us
nya nya nya NYAAAA nya, you can't hammer me!
You're right. I can't. I'm fucking town and I refuse to take part in the lynching of a potential blue. So let's lynch outside the claims and get on with the game
On July 19 2014 04:14 Snickers wrote: no seriously, hammer him for his last post laughing at you Robik. HOW THE HELL is that anyway good if he is town.
Cause if he's cop, he wants to berate me post-game for hammering him and I won't let him do that. Plus, lynching a blue claim at any point before mylo is fucking stupid
On July 19 2014 04:14 Snickers wrote: no seriously, hammer him for his last post laughing at you Robik. HOW THE HELL is that anyway good if he is town.
Look, nobody's hammering me until MM1 comes back anyways. Robik taunted me by saying he held the hammer, so I'm gonna taunt him by saying he can't actually hammer me because the right move is to see if MM1 comes back.
Robik thinks he has power, but really all he has is the power to be stupid and hammer prematurely.
I was just in a game on 2p2 where the fucking shitstain tards lynched the real cop d2 instead of leaving both claims alive. It might be the biggest mistake that happens on a regular basis. You just don't do it. I dont' care if BH IS mafia
Actually, me taunting Robik is the highest form of respect, because he is one of the people in this game who's intelligent enough to know he shouldn't hammer. I certainly wouldn't taunt you if you held the hammer, snickers, because knowing your skill level you'd probably use it.
On July 19 2014 04:17 Snickers wrote: Four blue claims mylo = 5 players. not much help.
Yeah, but you and robik have withdrawn your claims, it's just me and MM.
Robik is arguing for lynching between the cop claims tomorrow, which could be reasonable. Tomorrow we'll both have checks and we can see what the deal is, or if scum is really worried they'll just shoot me and let MM get lynched tomorrow.
So, if we lynch outside of me and mm, what would your wagon be, robik?
So do you peace from the thread once your ass is not in danger. That would be a lot more weird as town than scum. Anyway I have an hour at the most until I have to go to work, so lets get something done?
MM for obvious reasons; to me personally he is confscum since he cced. Assuming he's off the table:
Snickers: the snickers cc seems like it was marginally more serious, definitely more serious than robik's (whose claim was obviously on-its-face false and therefore not a claim at all). Also, his vote post of me is like supreme tier awful and he's generally been playing to disrupt and be mean to the town rather than help it. He's been nothing but an inconsiderate incompetent buttface so I'd be very glad to see him go. There are also a couple things he's said that could be classified as scumslips (the kind of slip you wouldn't make if you really thought what he claims he thinks) but these are minor.
damdred because he voted me for no reason then also didn't actually consider the possibilities of how to deal with my flip. Don't really see that making sense from a town perspective. this read is much weaker.
On July 19 2014 04:39 Snickers wrote: So do you peace from the thread once your ass is not in danger. That would be a lot more weird as town than scum. Anyway I have an hour at the most until I have to go to work, so lets get something done?
um, yes? Honestly interacting with you causes me physical pain so I only do it when necessary.
On July 19 2014 04:39 Snickers wrote: So do you peace from the thread once your ass is not in danger. That would be a lot more weird as town than scum. Anyway I have an hour at the most until I have to go to work, so lets get something done?
um, yes? Honestly interacting with you causes me physical pain so I only do it when necessary.
Kush went out for a nice morning stroll through the grass nearby. He liked petting the cows. Normally, the cows would always appreciate it or not respond to it at all, but this time, one of cows was acting very peculiar. Kushm4sta was found trampled under a rampaging cow. It is now Day 2. With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch.
BH flipped vet which is a case that I had dismissed as unlikely as I didn't think a non-blue would have any reason to counterclaim a blue. We now know MM1 was lying about his claim, and I still can't think of a reason a VT would do that. At least I could accept a case for scum trying to muddy the waters. So ##vote Mysterymeat1
In other news:
I looked through obi's filter. I really like his posts and I think he's pretty town. First, he posts a lot and not just repeating himself, which scum would be less likely to do because more post -> more slip. Second, he has weighed in on many different candidates and called attention to the bad logic and wording of other players (including me). He has been instrumental in promoting discussion of issues that would otherwise have been ignored. Certainly is not something scum is likely to do.
I could be wrong on MM1, but I strongly believe that he was doing his claim to take a bullet for BH. I don't see MM1 as the type of player who would fake claim there as mafia in a 2 mafia 7 town setup.
If you're fake claiming to take bullets for blues you don't do it after the blue has claimed lol it just causes 2 unnecessary deaths to happen which is why it's so unlikely for it to be town play because it's so anti-town
I don't think MM is scum. If MM is scum and hard claiming, he doesn't say that we're not lynching BH. IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. He knows BH is blue, so why the fuck would he not just push for the BH mislynch?
That's why I said he might have been greedy and pushed for Obi - 2 birds with 1 stone, but then since no one was following on from his call to arms, he resorted to CCing which has worked to kill off BH miraculously.
What townie reason makes sense for MM to backtrack on his (lack of) actions and start claiming he's blue? I can't see it being there to take a hit because it caused the vote to basically concentrate on the blue claims, which means he's going to die regardless because it's naturally so suspicious when a blue flips.
Just remember the only reason we're at 5-2 and not 6-2 is because people intervened in BH's nice plan.
Whatever. Lynching BH was fucking terrible. I really don't care at this point. I'm about to hammer MM1 cause BH wanted me to even though I don't think MM1 is scum
I'd rather just be done with this disgrace of a game. I feel like every game that I've played lately has been the biggest fucking garbage shitshow.
In fact, here I go. Here's to proving that MM1 is town!
##vote: MysteryMeat1
itisnightnoposting
I'm gonna laugh so hard at myself if he's scum, but I really really don't believe that he is.
If MM1 is town, make sure that you lynch snickers tomorrow. If you don't lynch snickers I'll be super duper fucking mad
On July 19 2014 04:11 Snickers wrote: why would you be safe?
DO NOT EVER THROW A VOTE DOWN UNTIL WE TALK FOR AWHILE THIS IS IML.
This is the post that proves I am town.
The context is I asked bh why would he be safe at night. I WAS THE ONLY PLAYER WHO WAS TOWN, that picked up on this. Every town player in this game should get better at reading closely. If I was mafia, I would have easily thought, this guy is veteran. I would have never posted this in the thread. I would of easily swayed the vote from bh onto someone else. Not kill bh in the night, then get him lynched later on.
On July 20 2014 01:18 IAmRobik wrote: Whatever. Lynching BH was fucking terrible. I really don't care at this point. I'm about to hammer MM1 cause BH wanted me to even though I don't think MM1 is scum
I'd rather just be done with this disgrace of a game. I feel like every game that I've played lately has been the biggest fucking garbage shitshow.
In fact, here I go. Here's to proving that MM1 is town!
##vote: MysteryMeat1
itisnightnoposting
I'm gonna laugh so hard at myself if he's scum, but I really really don't believe that he is.
If MM1 is town, make sure that you lynch snickers tomorrow. If you don't lynch snickers I'll be super duper fucking mad
Now, we need to all consider Robik here. If a town did this, wouldnt he be mod killed?
Ok lets assume it is not but I still think if he was town he would get modkilled here.
The first bold is so scummy. Like read that and make sense of it.
Second bold is also scummy. Robik is a good player. Now what did he do that was super townie. He suggested that mm was trying to take bh's bullet. This is something that would not take a lot of brains to say but makes you look super townie. So others could have posted this.
Overall, I waited and talked to bh for a while before voting him. I voted bh when I did cause I had to go to work and I had a strong feeling town would fuck up. Well whoever are the two town I am talking to YOU FUCKED UP SO BADLY DAY TWO. TIME IS SO FUCKING USEFUL IN THIS GAME. That is another reason robik should be killed. He hammered so fucking early. It is such a good play by scum. (at least we dont have power roles anymore that would make the two town players in here so terrible). Robik has been setting me up to look like complete shit with the obi kill and kush kill. And also he killed obi since only me and him did not vote.
Ok last two sentences might be a bit off but I am in a rush.
Also remember how tryhard robik was dayone not getting lynched? Then he just throws the game day two? NOT LIKE HIM AT ALL. That would be weird for an average mafia player let alone Robik. Also he switches from lynching me to lynching mm because bh wanted to lynch mm. WTF? If your going to take bh's advice why not follow it straight from day one? Did he have an "epiphany over the silent night"? It is also a good scum play by him to jump in the thread and vote me right away. It is honestly amazing that I did not get lynched and MM did. Even a soft push like the first vote is so strong. And yea how the hell did at least two town players here think MM's claim was serious.
LETS WAIT THIS OUT AND LOOK AT EVERYBODY THO, I WANT TO GIVE MY READS FOR WHEN I DIE TONIGHT CAUSE OF GETTING ROBIK LYNCHED. YOU WILL NEED MY HELP TO GET THE OTHER SCUM.
On July 20 2014 01:18 IAmRobik wrote: Whatever. Lynching BH was fucking terrible. I really don't care at this point. I'm about to hammer MM1 cause BH wanted me to even though I don't think MM1 is scum
I'd rather just be done with this disgrace of a game. I feel like every game that I've played lately has been the biggest fucking garbage shitshow.
In fact, here I go. Here's to proving that MM1 is town!
##vote: MysteryMeat1
itisnightnoposting
I'm gonna laugh so hard at myself if he's scum, but I really really don't believe that he is.
If MM1 is town, make sure that you lynch snickers tomorrow. If you don't lynch snickers I'll be super duper fucking mad
Now, we need to all consider Robik here. If a town did this, wouldnt he be mod killed?
Ok lets assume it is not but I still think if he was town he would get modkilled here.
The first bold is so scummy. Like read that and make sense of it.
Second bold is also scummy. Robik is a good player. Now what did he do that was super townie. He suggested that mm was trying to take bh's bullet. This is something that would not take a lot of brains to say but makes you look super townie. So others could have posted this.
Overall, I waited and talked to bh for a while before voting him. I voted bh when I did cause I had to go to work and I had a strong feeling town would fuck up. Well whoever are the two town I am talking to YOU FUCKED UP SO BADLY DAY TWO. TIME IS SO FUCKING USEFUL IN THIS GAME. That is another reason robik should be killed. He hammered so fucking early. It is such a good play by scum. (at least we dont have power roles anymore that would make the two town players in here so terrible). Robik has been setting me up to look like complete shit with the obi kill and kush kill. And also he killed obi since only me and him did not vote.
Ok last two sentences might be a bit off but I am in a rush.
On July 20 2014 01:18 IAmRobik wrote: Whatever. Lynching BH was fucking terrible. I really don't care at this point. I'm about to hammer MM1 cause BH wanted me to even though I don't think MM1 is scum
I'd rather just be done with this disgrace of a game. I feel like every game that I've played lately has been the biggest fucking garbage shitshow.
In fact, here I go. Here's to proving that MM1 is town!
##vote: MysteryMeat1
itisnightnoposting
I'm gonna laugh so hard at myself if he's scum, but I really really don't believe that he is.
If MM1 is town, make sure that you lynch snickers tomorrow. If you don't lynch snickers I'll be super duper fucking mad
So I might lynch someone even if I think they are town, only if it does one of two things. It either reveals a lot of information, or to consolidate. Even if he was town, it is such a throw.
So as I stand now, Robik we lynch today, then damdred. Still have not looked into your filter gobble, but syencia's filter is more town than damdred. I am going to look at votes now. Day two "final" votes useless tho, so only timing / motive matter.
On July 19 2014 00:53 IAmRobik wrote: MM is fake claiming because he thinks he's going to take a bullet for BH. The problem is that in order to take a bullet for the blue, he has to be pushing on the mafia who's claiming blue
On July 19 2014 23:45 IAmRobik wrote: Did someone give MM1 the opportunity to rescind his claim? NOPE. Snickers hammered before mm1 had a chance to get back
No seriously, its fucking obvious. Also we know night kills were not blue snipes so those give a decent amount of info too.
Also sylencia only threw down three votes but what is worst than that? Damdred throwing down only two votes and both of those players were flipped town and both times he was with the majority.
I regret the timing of my vote this morning I didn't know that rob who was pro MM would hammer like he did. I should of held my vote longer day two I was just in a hurry to be off to work and it was a bad and dumb decision. I don't think however that I would take my vote back on that one, to me it was a weird play by MM to cc BH. I wish I hadn't of voted BH though and was a little late on that one.
If you are actually town, how about do something useful rather than post some bull shit that literally three out of the four players can do.
And for the record MM did not cc BH. It was very clear.
But why did two town players think this? Because town are so lazy. They just follow what others are saying (news flash two scum= two people purposely being misleading). Even though we had twenty four hours of silent BLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP night, holy BLEEEEEEEEEEEEEP night. The two town players were so BLEEEEEEEEEEEP lazy they could not even reread the thread. Oh, but lets just go into the thread and fucking vote real quick, you know cause its iml.
I tried to unvote BH but didn't beat the hammer. That was a travety. MM could of taken back his fakeclaim at any point but he said that he 100% was claiming up until that point BH would of gotten off as lynch nobody believed robs claim and the whole mess cluttered up and derailed the end of day one badly.
MM helped derail the topic in my mind at the time. My vote this morning was hasty and if rob isn't scum then he's tring to throw the game.
Very funny. First off anything that happened after the hammer cannot be looked into. So stop with the shit defense and be real.
You broke the rules posting after hammer anyway. And I think it would be safe to assume the host would not ban for talking after hammer since he seems "chill" and was also talking about warnings.
On July 20 2014 13:18 Damdred wrote: I regret killing BH i don't regret killing MM i regret voting and running to work and letting a hammer happen almost instantly
I mean I dont know what to say Warning next sentence is complete trolling
Of course you regret killing bh, you could of not killed him then not targeted him at night and win the game.
And If you are town, you are way more of an ass than me. I do not waste peoples time by throwing a game day two.
First off lets get this straight. This is iml, unless you are very dumb, that is throwing the game. Ok so two votes needed when you left? THERE WERE AND STILL ARE TWO SCUM. HERE IS LITERALLY ANOTHER SCUM SLIP.
I hope the town can see the dumbness in that question. I threw so many questions at BH. I think there was more than one question that he did not answer. He never answered me why he would be safe in this night. Idk if he missed the question, thought it would bring attention to him as veteran or what. But I could not get over the fact that he lied to me once. (completely/objectively) lied to me.\
So the real questions are why the hell are you allowing two scum to hammer not scummy, why the hell are you voting early in an iml day not scummy and why the hell are you making a deal about me hammering bh now and not day two. It does not matter that I hammered him, I was the one most on his ass.
On July 20 2014 14:01 Damdred wrote: Ok. I'm not trying to throw the game I just got frustrated with everything.
I'm a vt i didn't vote much day one trying to. ask questions and reading the thread. day two i acted to quickly without thinking.
obviously snickers is going to tear everything i write up and make it look like I'm scum .
Why did i ask the question? I was curious about your reasons really.
Line by Line
1. Pointless
2. What is the point of calling yourself vt.
3. Pointless
4. I am almost 100% sure that I answered this already. As in one of my day three posts.
Why do you not take my advice and actually do something useful?
If you think I am town. Take my advice. You did very little this game, maybe even nothing but now I am telling you to be useful and you have posted relatively a lot compared to all of your other posts, but still nothing useful.
And for people wondering why I am not voting here when I am so sure. Why do you think I never posted my case on Kush. I did not see anyone else calling him scummy (maybe someone did, but def not like I was). I have learned to actually listen to people and not be a a hero.
First I don't think snickers and damdred are both mafia and making a show out of it. If they were both mafia, they wouldn't attack each other and give town a chance to lynch them. So at most 1 of them can be mafia.
What damdred did:
he defends robik's rng lynch, gives some excuse for being inactive, then accuses snickers of being scummy because he doesn't respond directly to questions. Then he votes BH for not having any read other than rng. BH dies right before he could unvote, day 2 he hammers MM1, then day 3 is damdred twisting himself hard to apologize for lynching 2 towns.
Here's my take on what damdred's thinking:
damdred the scum wanted some town cred, so he makes the obvious defense of robik, forgoing the chance to hammer him day 1 as it would be very suspicious. Snicker attacks his lack of contribution, and damdred gives an excuse, anniversary with wife etc. We don't know if that was actually true, so let's assume it was the case and damdred was indeed busy. Then, feeling the need to 'contribute', he looks at the person who last attacked him, looks through his filter, and picks holes in it. Unfortunately the snickers bandwagon doesn't work and seeing a promising BH bandwagon hops on it with little explanation. He puts unvote after the hammer has hit to earn towncred for attempting to thwart the mislynch. Day 2 he hammers MM1 because it's a mislynch for the taking. Day 3, snickers presses him on the BH vote and MM1 vote. Now feeling that snickers is on to something, he tries to defend himself and apologise and bend over himself, but snickers smells scum and he panics.
The impression is that he's only writing when being pressured, and otherwise trying to lay low.
I'm not going to vote yet, I want to hear more from everyone first.
On July 20 2014 16:46 gobbledydook wrote: First I don't think snickers and damdred are both mafia and making a show out of it. If they were both mafia, they wouldn't attack each other and give town a chance to lynch them. So at most 1 of them can be mafia.
What damdred did:
he defends robik's rng lynch, gives some excuse for being inactive, then accuses snickers of being scummy because he doesn't respond directly to questions. Then he votes BH for not having any read other than rng. BH dies right before he could unvote, day 2 he hammers MM1, then day 3 is damdred twisting himself hard to apologize for lynching 2 towns.
Here's my take on what damdred's thinking:
damdred the scum wanted some town cred, so he makes the obvious defense of robik, forgoing the chance to hammer him day 1 as it would be very suspicious. Snicker attacks his lack of contribution, and damdred gives an excuse, anniversary with wife etc. We don't know if that was actually true, so let's assume it was the case and damdred was indeed busy. Then, feeling the need to 'contribute', he looks at the person who last attacked him, looks through his filter, and picks holes in it. Unfortunately the snickers bandwagon doesn't work and seeing a promising BH bandwagon hops on it with little explanation. He puts unvote after the hammer has hit to earn towncred for attempting to thwart the mislynch. Day 2 he hammers MM1 because it's a mislynch for the taking. Day 3, snickers presses him on the BH vote and MM1 vote. Now feeling that snickers is on to something, he tries to defend himself and apologise and bend over himself, but snickers smells scum and he panics.
The impression is that he's only writing when being pressured, and otherwise trying to lay low.
I'm not going to vote yet, I want to hear more from everyone first.
The bold is something you never do.
Could you comment on anything that I have posted in detail? You really simplified everything down? Both Robik and damdred have slipped, both have said they are willing to throw the game, and both have had extremely scummy votes with scummy fake logic behind them.
So, I was away which is why I wasn't posting. I was super annoyed at this game and at another game I was playing. I knew exactly what I was doing and will most likely get banned for it after the game is over, because I am in fact town. I will appeal however based off the premise that I was following the wise words of BH.
Having said that, Snickers argument for why I'm mafia is laughable. He says that everyone and their mothers could say that MM1 is trying to take a bullet for the cop. You know who said that, NOBODY BUT ME. I just want to shove it down each and every one of your throats that all of you need to study the game instead of play fucking aimlessly.
Lynching BH on d1 was a travesty. Lynching MM1 (which I was obviously a part of because LOL@allofyou) was fucking godawful.
I'm just gonna sack the fuck up and vote snickers, because I've said we need to lynch him for a while now. If he doesn't get insta-hammer he's scum. If he does, well he was town and I fucked up. I really don't care anymore at this point. I should have just hammered myself on d1 so I wouldn't have actually had to deal with stupid people
And on that note: ##vote: snickers
Snickers, if you're town, sorry bro. Just cost us the game.
On July 21 2014 14:06 IAmRobik wrote: So, I was away which is why I wasn't posting. I was super annoyed at this game and at another game I was playing. I knew exactly what I was doing and will most likely get banned for it after the game is over, because I am in fact town. I will appeal however based off the premise that I was following the wise words of BH.
Having said that, Snickers argument for why I'm mafia is laughable. He says that everyone and their mothers could say that MM1 is trying to take a bullet for the cop. You know who said that, NOBODY BUT ME. I just want to shove it down each and every one of your throats that all of you need to study the game instead of play fucking aimlessly.
Lynching BH on d1 was a travesty. Lynching MM1 (which I was obviously a part of because LOL@allofyou) was fucking godawful.
I'm just gonna sack the fuck up and vote snickers, because I've said we need to lynch him for a while now. If he doesn't get insta-hammer he's scum. If he does, well he was town and I fucked up. I really don't care anymore at this point. I should have just hammered myself on d1 so I wouldn't have actually had to deal with stupid people
And on that note: ##vote: snickers
Snickers, if you're town, sorry bro. Just cost us the game.
Paragraph by Paragraph
1. So this is just filler bullshit
2. A good town player would not say this, so scum could then see it. Maybe hint toward or push the player you think are town into doing things that would help the plan. And after saying this, he proceeds to act like he did not say it. Day two he also fucks the game over (if he is town) when he could have explained this into more detail since somehow the town players missed this fact, but no he acts like an idiot that does not remember what he did the day before.
3. More bullshit
4.Ok this is by sentence. ---1. So this makes no logical sense ---2. This is just wrong and an over simplification to try and confuse the townies leftover. This would not prove shit. It has varying levels of proving shit, but nothing concrete. Don't buy into this statement. More bs. More bs. More bs.
Bs vote
More bs. I cost us the game, fucking how?
If I am scum why would he not make a case on me? He does not have a case on me and the little case he could create would be nothing compared to my cases on him and damdred. This is seriously one of the last handful of tricks scum have. Lets try to quickly confuse the townies into something to lynch snickers.
Hes just hoping that Sylencia pops into the thread, is done with this thrown game and proceeds to vote me without reading because apparently I was scummy day one ? and people wanted to go for me but with no good reasons. It is hilarious how people just follow others words without thinking people will be misleading.
Yeah sorry, wasn't online yesterday - I'll read up and comment in a couple of hours since I'm at work at the moment so I haven't had the chance to properly read and take in all this.
I need to say this now in case of some interesting plays by scum.
So if we Robik is lynched or Damdred is lynched, the night kills will come. There are two possibilities.
A. I die.
B. I don't die.
If i die, it is because I am the most dangerous player to the scum team and I will be very convincing once one of them flip town.
If I don't die, it is because this is one of the few tricks scum have left. They will say I did not die, even tho I look the most town because I am scum.
In situation a. Vote who ever is left alive (ie. Robik or Damdred) I put a lot of consideration into it.
In situation b. Do the same thing but do not get fooled by the trick.
This post is needed because of the iml set up. (ie. Damdred votes robik so I cannot post anymore and I die. Also to clear some stuff up)
I disagree. What am I suppose to do when the game is thrown day two? No matter what I did day three Robik was voting me. The game was already over. I did not have nearly enough to evaluate anything on. Do you really think I was not going to cross check sylencia and gobble? Did you not see my post to gobble saying he did not comment anything important to me?
He was right on track, he had the gobbledydook/sylencia scumteam since day 1. Obviously I got rid of him.
Mafia MVP: Everyone
To be honest it's hard not to win as mafia when 4 towns claim blue first night. The mess meant town never got to discuss anything before lylo, and the bad blood that followed ensured the mafia win.
When I hammered bh for not answering a question, and not trusting the town players. Then day two, 2/7 town players throw hard. Or when I was wanting to lynch the people willing to throw the game?
How about talk about how I was the only one putting real effort into the game after day two. Least I actually participated in the game.
Just to justify it so it seems like you aren't being aimlessly +1'd. You were very very dismissive of everyone's explanations and motives and reasoning. Just because someone may say something that contains bad logic or doesn't seem to make sense from your perspective doesn't mean it doesn't from their disgruntled town perspective. I didn't really follow this game but everytime i checked it was you breaking down sentences from posts on why they were so wrong which isn't necessarily what you should be doing.
On July 21 2014 18:06 Snickers wrote: .. Please explain where I was too sure of myself?
When I hammered bh for not answering a question, and not trusting the town players. Then day two, 2/7 town players throw hard. Or when I was wanting to lynch the people willing to throw the game?
How about talk about how I was the only one putting real effort into the game after day two. Least I actually participated in the game.
Whats more depressing is what the hell people are mentioning after this game. Yes lets bitch at the town player not throwing the game and putting effort in to a game that was thrown.
I think, the biggest problem snickers, was that you were too much of a dick to everyone. It made it easy to exploit for me because I knew town was guaranteed to bicker and not do anything useful.
On July 21 2014 18:07 Snickers wrote: Whats more depressing is what the hell people are mentioning after this game. Yes lets bitch at the town player not throwing the game and putting effort in to a game that was thrown.
This isn't a slight at you and it's really not your fault if it's a cluster fuck of a game. If this was a normal game and i saw you doing what you were doing this last day and everyone was active I'd prob think you were mafia because of it.
On July 21 2014 18:06 Holyflare wrote: Just to justify it so it seems like you aren't being aimlessly +1'd. You were very very dismissive of everyone's explanations and motives and reasoning. Just because someone may say something that contains bad logic or doesn't seem to make sense from your perspective doesn't mean it doesn't from their disgruntled town perspective. I didn't really follow this game but everytime i checked it was you breaking down sentences from posts on why they were so wrong which isn't necessarily what you should be doing.
I laid off kush day one when I saw no one else going for him so I improved at least a little. What should I be doing then? And I like being critical. And town should try not to slip so much damn. Town=lynch scum/not lookie scummy.
On July 21 2014 18:06 Holyflare wrote: Just to justify it so it seems like you aren't being aimlessly +1'd. You were very very dismissive of everyone's explanations and motives and reasoning. Just because someone may say something that contains bad logic or doesn't seem to make sense from your perspective doesn't mean it doesn't from their disgruntled town perspective. I didn't really follow this game but everytime i checked it was you breaking down sentences from posts on why they were so wrong which isn't necessarily what you should be doing.
I laid off kush day one when I saw no one else going for him so I improved at least a little. What should I be doing then? And I like being critical. And town should try not to slip so much damn. Town=lynch scum/not lookie scummy.
I think it's more a question of being open to every scenario and every perspective rather than dismissive and accusatory. Although I can't blame you, everyone seemed pretty hostile :p
First I don't think snickers and damdred are both mafia and making a show out of it. If they were both mafia, they wouldn't attack each other and give town a chance to lynch them. So at most 1 of them can be mafia.
What damdred did:
he defends robik's rng lynch, gives some excuse for being inactive, then accuses snickers of being scummy because he doesn't respond directly to questions. Then he votes BH for not having any read other than rng. BH dies right before he could unvote, day 2 he hammers MM1, then day 3 is damdred twisting himself hard to apologize for lynching 2 towns.
Here's my take on what damdred's thinking:
damdred the scum wanted some town cred, so he makes the obvious defense of robik, forgoing the chance to hammer him day 1 as it would be very suspicious. Snicker attacks his lack of contribution, and damdred gives an excuse, anniversary with wife etc. We don't know if that was actually true, so let's assume it was the case and damdred was indeed busy. Then, feeling the need to 'contribute', he looks at the person who last attacked him, looks through his filter, and picks holes in it. Unfortunately the snickers bandwagon doesn't work and seeing a promising BH bandwagon hops on it with little explanation. He puts unvote after the hammer has hit to earn towncred for attempting to thwart the mislynch. Day 2 he hammers MM1 because it's a mislynch for the taking. Day 3, snickers presses him on the BH vote and MM1 vote. Now feeling that snickers is on to something, he tries to defend himself and apologise and bend over himself, but snickers smells scum and he panics.
The impression is that he's only writing when being pressured, and otherwise trying to lay low.
I'm not going to vote yet, I want to hear more from everyone first.
It looked like you realized that something was very wrong with this post and you might have moved over to GG eventually but then robik came and shat on everything.
I probably would not tho . I saw scum slips and or terrible reasoning from both robik and damdred. Also talked about willing to throw the game/ Actually did throw the game.
On July 21 2014 18:14 Snickers wrote: I probably would not tho . I saw scum slips and or terrible reasoning from both robik and damdred. Also talked about willing to throw the game/ Actually did throw the game.
Unless gg and sylencia completely threw.
not mafia attributes in general unless you're being incredibly superficial
mafia don't justify their votes by saying they want to throw the game. they just don't.
On July 21 2014 18:19 Snickers wrote: Ok but bad reasoning and willingness to throw the game? Slips are def something I consider if someone is doing other scummy stuff.
Who would say that. Angry people because the game turned out stupid or mafia because the game turned out stupid and they are winning?
I am taking a break. haha, I have a favorite classical song but never knew the name of it. I only know the first few minutes of it and have been searching.
and at marv. Well then I have no clue what to look for. Looking at the vote, I saw them scum. Thier reasoning did not add up. What am I suppose to do when people are literally throwing the game then? Just let them throw it? Its a catch 22. I guess I should do nothing next time. Like seriously do whatever I need to do not to get banned and not waste my time. Not trying to sound like an emotional idiot here.
On July 21 2014 18:19 Snickers wrote: Ok but bad reasoning and willingness to throw the game? Slips are def something I consider if someone is doing other scummy stuff.
Who would say that. Angry people because the game turned out stupid or mafia because the game turned out stupid and they are winning?
It def does not help me see them as town. But they did not just say it. They also did it.
If I posted that I am throwing the game it would be wifom I guess? Idk. But actually "throwing" it.?
On July 21 2014 18:19 Snickers wrote: Ok but bad reasoning and willingness to throw the game? Slips are def something I consider if someone is doing other scummy stuff.
Who would say that. Angry people because the game turned out stupid or mafia because the game turned out stupid and they are winning?
It def does not help me see them as town. But they did not just say it. They also did it.
If I posted that I am throwing the game it would be wifom I guess? Idk. But actually "throwing" it.?
Mafia generally aren't that in your face and outspoken :p
Either way you played pretty much fine for what this game was. Seeing as you were like the only name I saw when i opened the thread each time it should have been obvious you were trying to figure things out to other people.
btw, Snickers, what mafia *actually* do (usually) rather than what you think they do/townies shouldn't do...
From Melee Newbies & Vets game:
On July 13 2014 08:58 Palmar wrote: Btw, if I self-meta my shitty town play, I reach the conclusion mafia teams must be
a) chairman ray/koshi b) rayn/slender
why?
Because I haven't read shit from those teams as nothing they've said sounds important at all. I always ignore mafia because they never say anything fun, so if I am correct that I always ignore mafia, these teams must be mafia.
QED
get logickd.
These 2 teams were indeed the mafia pair.
Based on that, in this game the mafia would be between: Damdred, gobbledygook, Sylencia. Go figure!
I'll be honest, marv is right the three mentioned was probably mafia.
I just had a lot come up and its hard for me to post on a cell phone to keep as active as I needed to be to not show up as scum. However snickers you were really frustrating this game was already going bad and you made it even more frustrating, I was convinced you were town after you made me frustrated though. And I really wasn't trying to throw the game you pushed and pushed until I threw my hands up deconstructing is good but yea.
However I really am surprised after deconstructing me so much you didn't hit gobble after the post about me, and then you apologized for being harsh lol. It was a strange post that I wish I would of commented on before I went to bed. Oh well
Good job both of the mafia on the great win, or easy win, or disappointing win whatever type of win.
Only reason it's disappointing (if at all) is that you all killed yourself with fake claims :D 3 town fake claims and 0 scum fake claims is a recipe for disaster lol
For the record, I voted Snickers because he was pushing this "scum slip" agenda onto damdred who I decided from reading 3 posts in mylo that he was town.
I didn't need much convincing to lynch gobble though. That dude was scummy as fuck
On July 18 2014 04:40 Snickers wrote: Robik- Did not reread his filter but the feel I get is his town play. I think with four votes on him, mafia robik would not care about the game and just leave. (maybe he saw it as an opportunity to look townie) I will read into him later but I am worried he has not called me scum yet.
Kush-Scum, I will post a case with an explanation of my points later. If you are a good player you could read his filter and see he is scum without me guiding you. Hint: his defending posts are terrible.
Just a side note, I had this feeling right. The feeling I felt when me and bh were talking to a scum player late at night. I got the same feeling talking to kush last night. THE FEELING OF BULLSHIT.
Gobble- I do not see much usefulness in his posts (not many posts either) so I would fine lynching him today if it came down to it. After some more thought he looks extremely scummy.
List of his quotes that sit wrong with me.
"Obi and me vote him to see what happen" Ok so assumption and this also seems like a scum slip to me. (or was it not assumption because of the scum qt?)
"shut up Robik" I do not like seeing people trying to get others to stop talking with a mean tone (maybe his mean tone is to get Robik fired up and make the thread more disastrous)
Also he gets super defensive and accusing me of having no reason for calling him scum but he has no problem hoping on the Robik train for no reason to the point where robik was one away from hammer. This principle in his mind does not add up which is one thing I look for in scum.
Sylencia-So the way I see it currently. Talked about roles, first serious post is tied into with a post. Second serious post is tied with another vote. So to form his votes, he does not even raise questions. Scummy
Snickers-this guy is def scum because of his meta.
MM Want to hear more but I am getting a town vibe on him. Currently he is posting more in the thread.
Obi This guys filter has a high ratio of bullshit to helpful information. I think he scum.
Things that stick out.
His "motive for defending bh" post is terrible. This is explains his bad play more than alignment I think.
He lied with his 100% remark.
His reason for voting MM never even mentions how MM had two or less posts at that time. What the hell? Either not sincere or a ball player.
The more I look at it he looks more like a bad player than scum.
Damdred- His posts seem to have a scum mindset behind them. I could easily see myself posting what he is as scum.
Bh-Will look into him later.
So in short. People who I want to see more activity from or I will lynch the shit of them. Gobble, Sylencia, Obi, Damdred,
People who I want to see more info from but probably would not lycnh them if they afked for the rest of day one. MM
If anybody has any questions about this post or any of my other posts I will answer in 100% detail.
Also your an idiot if you do not think my initial posts did not produce activity.
I kinda was going for mafia based on good shit day one.
Oh yea? If this is true, you still threw the game.
So who the fuck even cares. And your prob talking about shit I do to get discussion going. Atleast I don't say shit one day then try to push someone acting like I don't the next.
Oh, I definitely threw the game. 100%. It's up to the mod to decide if I did it on purpose.
Also, you were voting me like 1000000000% that day anyway, so get off your high horse. This game was aids when we lynched BH and MM1 in quick succession. I just didn't want to drag it out any longer than it had to be.
Anyone who didn't know what MM1 was doing has no idea how to read a game.
On July 21 2014 23:00 IAmRobik wrote: Oh, I definitely threw the game. 100%. It's up to the mod to decide if I did it on purpose.
Also, you were voting me like 1000000000% that day anyway, so get off your high horse. This game was aids when we lynched BH and MM1 in quick succession. I just didn't want to drag it out any longer than it had to be.
Anyone who didn't know what MM1 was doing has no idea how to read a game.
On July 21 2014 18:14 Snickers wrote: I probably would not tho . I saw scum slips and or terrible reasoning from both robik and damdred. Also talked about willing to throw the game/ Actually did throw the game.
Unless gg and sylencia completely threw.
Is this like when you said I act like I am never wrong but the top post in the page was saying I messed up?
On July 21 2014 23:00 IAmRobik wrote: Oh, I definitely threw the game. 100%. It's up to the mod to decide if I did it on purpose.
Also, you were voting me like 1000000000% that day anyway, so get off your high horse. This game was aids when we lynched BH and MM1 in quick succession. I just didn't want to drag it out any longer than it had to be.
Anyone who didn't know what MM1 was doing has no idea how to read a game.
On July 21 2014 23:00 IAmRobik wrote: Oh, I definitely threw the game. 100%. It's up to the mod to decide if I did it on purpose.
Also, you were voting me like 1000000000% that day anyway, so get off your high horse. This game was aids when we lynched BH and MM1 in quick succession. I just didn't want to drag it out any longer than it had to be.
Anyone who didn't know what MM1 was doing has no idea how to read a game.
people never play perfect assuming they do is kind of silly and the game would be kind of boring if everyone played the same way anyways. You should play the hand that's dealt and if you have "bad" players you deal with it and just try to win to the best of your ability.
On July 21 2014 23:00 IAmRobik wrote: Oh, I definitely threw the game. 100%. It's up to the mod to decide if I did it on purpose.
Also, you were voting me like 1000000000% that day anyway, so get off your high horse. This game was aids when we lynched BH and MM1 in quick succession. I just didn't want to drag it out any longer than it had to be.
Anyone who didn't know what MM1 was doing has no idea how to read a game.
people never play perfect assuming they do is kind of silly and the game would be kind of boring if everyone played the same way anyways. You should play the hand that's dealt and if you have "bad" players you deal with it and just try to win to the best of your ability.
Exactly. Killing your strong townread just because you are fed up with the game is certainly worse than lynching a powerrole.
It was my fault. I shouldn't have joined the game. Lesson learned. I'm taking a break from mafia anyway. Games are going down the drain Will be back at some point or if I see a lineup I like.
On July 21 2014 23:00 IAmRobik wrote: Oh, I definitely threw the game. 100%. It's up to the mod to decide if I did it on purpose.
Also, you were voting me like 1000000000% that day anyway, so get off your high horse. This game was aids when we lynched BH and MM1 in quick succession. I just didn't want to drag it out any longer than it had to be.
Anyone who didn't know what MM1 was doing has no idea how to read a game.
people never play perfect assuming they do is kind of silly and the game would be kind of boring if everyone played the same way anyways. You should play the hand that's dealt and if you have "bad" players you deal with it and just try to win to the best of your ability.
Exactly. Killing your strong townread just because you are fed up with the game is certainly worse than lynching a powerrole.
Incorrect. At least lynching MM in that situation was amusing.
On July 21 2014 23:37 IAmRobik wrote: It was my fault. I shouldn't have joined the game. Lesson learned. I'm taking a break from mafia anyway. Games are going down the drain Will be back at some point or if I see a lineup I like.
Just join next game and only that one. Join titanic or w/e
On July 21 2014 23:00 IAmRobik wrote: Oh, I definitely threw the game. 100%. It's up to the mod to decide if I did it on purpose.
Also, you were voting me like 1000000000% that day anyway, so get off your high horse. This game was aids when we lynched BH and MM1 in quick succession. I just didn't want to drag it out any longer than it had to be.
Anyone who didn't know what MM1 was doing has no idea how to read a game.
people never play perfect assuming they do is kind of silly and the game would be kind of boring if everyone played the same way anyways. You should play the hand that's dealt and if you have "bad" players you deal with it and just try to win to the best of your ability.
Exactly. Killing your strong townread just because you are fed up with the game is certainly worse than lynching a powerrole.
Incorrect. At least lynching MM in that situation was amusing.
On July 21 2014 23:00 IAmRobik wrote: Oh, I definitely threw the game. 100%. It's up to the mod to decide if I did it on purpose.
Also, you were voting me like 1000000000% that day anyway, so get off your high horse. This game was aids when we lynched BH and MM1 in quick succession. I just didn't want to drag it out any longer than it had to be.
Anyone who didn't know what MM1 was doing has no idea how to read a game.
people never play perfect assuming they do is kind of silly and the game would be kind of boring if everyone played the same way anyways. You should play the hand that's dealt and if you have "bad" players you deal with it and just try to win to the best of your ability.
Exactly. Killing your strong townread just because you are fed up with the game is certainly worse than lynching a powerrole.
Incorrect. At least lynching MM in that situation was amusing.
Only if you aren't playing town. ^_^ Edit: Also you of all people should know that lynching BH is always amusing.
On July 16 2014 18:52 gobbledydook wrote: So let's have a recap of what's been said and done:
BH RNGs robik to lynch, obi and me vote him to see what happens. robik becomes defensive and shouts that this is a bullshit lynch, it would be the first time he got mislynched (or lynched), and insults the people who voted him. BH thinks robik is really scum after those responses, which sounds like a scum getting randomly caught and raging. The implication being that a real town, secure in his innocence, wouldn't need to defend himself emotionally against what is essentially a nonsense lynch. Whereas a scum instinctively will protect himself strongly as scum are not expendable compared to town.
I agree with that line of reasoning, but I want to confirm, BH, is that what you think too? Do you have anything else to add?
THIS POST. Not the very first, sorry. Really, read it. Read it and tell me if this doesn't sound scummy at all
On July 16 2014 18:52 gobbledydook wrote: So let's have a recap of what's been said and done:
BH RNGs robik to lynch, obi and me vote him to see what happens. robik becomes defensive and shouts that this is a bullshit lynch, it would be the first time he got mislynched (or lynched), and insults the people who voted him. BH thinks robik is really scum after those responses, which sounds like a scum getting randomly caught and raging. The implication being that a real town, secure in his innocence, wouldn't need to defend himself emotionally against what is essentially a nonsense lynch. Whereas a scum instinctively will protect himself strongly as scum are not expendable compared to town.
I agree with that line of reasoning, but I want to confirm, BH, is that what you think too? Do you have anything else to add?
THIS POST. Not the very first, sorry. Really, read it. Read it and tell me if this doesn't sound scummy at all
On July 22 2014 00:34 iamperfection wrote: He probably got good coaching early on in his career.
I read this post and thought it was referring to me. Then I read the context and realized that it wasn't about me. I definitely got some good coaching early in my career though
On July 22 2014 00:31 marvellosity wrote: GlowingBear is going to be the next mafia bonjwa
no pressure.
LOL working on it. Practicing dynamical read so I can read every damn post in a short period of time, improving my rpm (reads per minute).
@iamperfection very good coaching, indeed. I'll need more for the next newbie game btw! What do you think of the post I quoted from gobbles? I used your ancient mafia mindset technique
On July 22 2014 00:31 marvellosity wrote: GlowingBear is going to be the next mafia bonjwa
no pressure.
LOL working on it. Practicing dynamical read so I can read every damn post in a short period of time, improving my rpm (reads per minute).
@iamperfection very good coaching, indeed. I'll need more for the next newbie game btw! What do you think of the post I quoted from gobbles? I used your ancient mafia mindset technique
recaping what is said and not taking a stance on it would be pretty scummy.
On July 22 2014 00:31 marvellosity wrote: GlowingBear is going to be the next mafia bonjwa
no pressure.
LOL working on it. Practicing dynamical read so I can read every damn post in a short period of time, improving my rpm (reads per minute).
@iamperfection very good coaching, indeed. I'll need more for the next newbie game btw! What do you think of the post I quoted from gobbles? I used your ancient mafia mindset technique
it is pretty scummy, yes ^^
although as a general rule, if i'm pushing something i try not to call it "scummy" - I'm more likely to use it as a negative ("that post wasn't scummy at all actually"). If you're calling a post scummy you may just as well describe exactly why it is scummy.
Lots of people call posts scummy without really knowing what they're saying. Explain it, if only so you've explained it to yourself.
This isn't directed at you in particular, btw, just that you said it and it made me think about it.
@iamperfection exactly!!! Yes!! I think I learned well, sensei.
@marv yeah, I get it. Sqrt's lynch on vets vs juniors was because he refused to explain his reads. But I didn't understand what you meant by saying that a scummy post isn't actually scummy
Tbh ppl, this game was bad but pretty instructive to newbies
Warnings/Bans: (All bans are open to discussion/debate.)
I’ll be requesting a 1-game ban for IAmRobik. He was not playing to his win-condition, and pretty much threw the game because he was frustrated about the game. While I understand the game atmosphere was pretty negative, that is no excuse for ruining the game for other players trying their best to win. He was both self-conscious of his desire to end the game without regards to his win-condition, and he did it on back-to-back lynches. I'd normally request more than a 1-game ban for this, but this game was a clusterfuck all around.
On July 20 2014 01:18 IAmRobik wrote: Whatever. Lynching BH was fucking terrible. I really don't care at this point. I'm about to hammer MM1 cause BH wanted me to even though I don't think MM1 is scum
I'd rather just be done with this disgrace of a game. I feel like every game that I've played lately has been the biggest fucking garbage shitshow.
In fact, here I go. Here's to proving that MM1 is town!
##vote: MysteryMeat1
itisnightnoposting
I'm gonna laugh so hard at myself if he's scum, but I really really don't believe that he is.
If MM1 is town, make sure that you lynch snickers tomorrow. If you don't lynch snickers I'll be super duper fucking mad
^The hammer vote of the day, made 4-hours after the day start.
On July 21 2014 14:06 IAmRobik wrote: So, I was away which is why I wasn't posting. I was super annoyed at this game and at another game I was playing. I knew exactly what I was doing and will most likely get banned for it after the game is over, because I am in fact town. I will appeal however based off the premise that I was following the wise words of BH.
Having said that, Snickers argument for why I'm mafia is laughable. He says that everyone and their mothers could say that MM1 is trying to take a bullet for the cop. You know who said that, NOBODY BUT ME. I just want to shove it down each and every one of your throats that all of you need to study the game instead of play fucking aimlessly.
Lynching BH on d1 was a travesty. Lynching MM1 (which I was obviously a part of because LOL@allofyou) was fucking godawful.
I'm just gonna sack the fuck up and vote snickers, because I've said we need to lynch him for a while now. If he doesn't get insta-hammer he's scum. If he does, well he was town and I fucked up. I really don't care anymore at this point. I should have just hammered myself on d1 so I wouldn't have actually had to deal with stupid people.
And on that note: ##vote: snickers
Snickers, if you're town, sorry bro. Just cost us the game.
^A vote placed in lylo in an IML game. Speaks for itself.
I will be contesting the ban, even though I don't plan on playing for a month unless some really juicy game opens up
If my ban goes through, I will demand a ban for snickers who hammered a blue claim on d1. I will also request a ban for kush for knowing better and still voting bh because it's fun. I am 100% claiming to have just been following BH's directions -- he was our blue after all With regards to my mylo vote. Snickers left me no options when he took a hard stance on lynching me. He basically voted me without actually voting. All that shows is that I'm not a bitch
The last part about placing a vote in lylo in an IML game is so fucking laughable. I guess no townies are allowed to vote until mafia votes then cause if they vote wrong they get banned for it LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
Honestly Robik was an annoyance to play with this game, but several times he did what was right rather than what was easy (ie, not hammering me when I was nya nyaaaing at him). IMO he should not be banned for playing against wincon, I don't percieve him as having done that this game. His vote on snickers actually wasn't too bad, and honestly someone has to vote first in LYLO or else we get games like A Fire Upon the Deep Mini Mafia (Read it if you dare, it's super short and super awful) where no townie wants to vote any other townie in LYLO, so nobody votes. Ever.
That being said Robik did do things like post 20 messages in a row and honestly I'd be fine if you warned him for that, but Robik's voting was acceptable this game. He wasn't the one who threw.
He was aggressive and caustic and spammy and I don't like that, and his attitude after my lynch was poop tier. Supreme poop tier. The actual votes on MM1 and Snickers were not against wincon though, since honestly MM1 and Snickers could have easily been the scumteam.
On July 22 2014 01:36 Hapahauli wrote: It's fine if you don't agree, but atleast tell me why =/
Given his stuff on Day 2, I thought I was being pretty lenient with 1-game only.
As VT, I have no additional information, so I can't possibly be playing against my wincon unless I lynch myself. I had a strong town read on some girl named Cake in a game on VS. I ended up voting her at the end of d1 anyway cause marv told me to and she was mafia.
Now don't get me wrong, BH is definitely not marv, but you get the point. There are few and far between times when I'm wrong.
It takes a majority to lynch someone, singling one person out is silly. He played within the confines of the rules. In the context of how the game had gone, what he did was, while silly, perfectly understandable.
his vote on Snickers in LYLO shouldn't even be up for consideration, zero wrong with that at all.
The whole town threw this game, and banning Robik for essentially being less retarded than the rest of the game (by being right about MM) doesn't seem that fair. Maybe the rest of town were trying to win, but they were still voting MM too.
robik is right, kush flat out said BH was town on day 1 and hammered him anyway.
tldr; shit happens, don't ban someone because shit happened in a stupid shitty game.
On July 22 2014 01:39 Blazinghand wrote: Honestly Robik was an annoyance to play with this game, but several times he did what was right rather than what was easy (ie, not hammering me when I was nya nyaaaing at him). IMO he should not be banned for playing against wincon, I don't percieve him as having done that this game. His vote on snickers actually wasn't too bad, and honestly someone has to vote first in LYLO or else we get games like A Fire Upon the Deep Mini Mafia (Read it if you dare, it's super short and super awful) where no townie wants to vote any other townie in LYLO, so nobody votes. Ever.
That being said Robik did do things like post 20 messages in a row and honestly I'd be fine if you warned him for that, but Robik's voting was acceptable this game. He wasn't the one who threw.
He was aggressive and caustic and spammy and I don't like that, and his attitude after my lynch was poop tier. Supreme poop tier. The actual votes on MM1 and Snickers were not against wincon though, since honestly MM1 and Snickers could have easily been the scumteam.
On July 22 2014 01:39 Blazinghand wrote: Honestly Robik was an annoyance to play with this game, but several times he did what was right rather than what was easy (ie, not hammering me when I was nya nyaaaing at him). IMO he should not be banned for playing against wincon, I don't percieve him as having done that this game. His vote on snickers actually wasn't too bad, and honestly someone has to vote first in LYLO or else we get games like A Fire Upon the Deep Mini Mafia (Read it if you dare, it's super short and super awful) where no townie wants to vote any other townie in LYLO, so nobody votes. Ever.
That being said Robik did do things like post 20 messages in a row and honestly I'd be fine if you warned him for that, but Robik's voting was acceptable this game. He wasn't the one who threw.
He was aggressive and caustic and spammy and I don't like that, and his attitude after my lynch was poop tier. Supreme poop tier. The actual votes on MM1 and Snickers were not against wincon though, since honestly MM1 and Snickers could have easily been the scumteam.
I wanted to hammer you so fucking badly
I know, right!? I was having so much fun because you couldn't hammer me because you were trying to win the game. FWIW It really is a sign of respect that I was taunting you, I trusted you to be smart enough not to hammer.
On July 22 2014 01:41 Blazinghand wrote: Actually, now that I think about it, his attitude BEFORE my lynch was also poop tier, but that's not the point.
I had 4 votes on me, as town, in an IML lynch game where the votes on me were there because you RNG'd it. Are you serious? How is my attitude supposed to be good there? If I don't fight it, I'm mafia. If I do fight it I'm mafia.
On July 22 2014 01:40 marvellosity wrote: It takes a majority to lynch someone, singling one person out is silly. He played within the confines of the rules. In the context of how the game had gone, what he did was, while silly, perfectly understandable.
his vote on Snickers in LYLO shouldn't even be up for consideration, zero wrong with that at all.
The whole town threw this game, and banning Robik for essentially being less retarded than the rest of the game (by being right about MM) doesn't seem that fair. Maybe the rest of town were trying to win, but they were still voting MM too.
robik is right, kush flat out said BH was town on day 1 and hammered him anyway.
tldr; shit happens, don't ban someone because shit happened in a stupid shitty game.
I don't think it is understandable at all. It also IS playing against his wincon and you can't sell me that the guy willingly hammering his townread is not the one throwing the game. How does the fact that Robik was right make it any better/relevant here?
With all this said I still agree that he should not be banned only because it creates a dangerous precedent for the future.
Because even if you vote/hammer your townread there is a possibility you are wrong even if you don't think there is any possibility for that. Pretty much in all the games people vote for their townreads because someone tells them, they want to lynch over no-lynch etc. There is nothing wrong with it.
On July 22 2014 02:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: Because even if you vote/hammer your townread there is a possibility you are wrong even if you don't think there is any possibility for that. Pretty much in all the games people vote for their townreads because someone tells them, they want to lynch over no-lynch etc. There is nothing wrong with it.
Robik admitted that he only did so because he wanted the game to end. This decision was egoistic and against his wincon. But I won't argue about this further.
Gobble's first post would have been less scummy if he just had the reasoning why robik looked scummy without the summary and without asking BH "is that what you were thinking?"
Gobbles, how to look less scummy: you need less summary in your posts. you need to focus more on the reasoning you come up with for why something is scummy, and you need to try to convince people of it like you really believe it. Actually how you approached playing scum I think is really good. Most people play scum by finding ways around giving reasons behind their scumreads, but not you. I think once you get more town games under your belt, playing scum should get easier.
On July 22 2014 03:42 kushm4sta wrote: Gobble's first post would have been less scummy if he just had the reasoning why robik looked scummy without the summary and without asking BH "is that what you were thinking?"
I just read the post and this is 100% right. That post was indeed really scummy.
I gotta say, I think Kush played a great game this game, worked hard to figure things out and push the lynch in the right direction. I really enjoyed playing with Kush this game.
Yeah, i was really wrong on sylencia. The crosspost tell almost always indicates two townies. I should have followed kush on that one cause the edit to admit that it was a crosspost was definitely the wrong read from me.
I still dont know how you guys thought i was serious when i cced and the told people to not vote on bh. I was just following robik who was my top town read.
Agree with Kush I know at one point rob told you to vote him but you should of taken the claim back or voted for someone else really wish we would of talked more about a lynch outside those two
On July 22 2014 03:55 kushm4sta wrote: mm you voted bh though...
mm can make all the noises he wanted to, he cced me, votied me, and got me lynched. It's my fault in part for not effectively out-arguing him, but let's be real here: mm1 has no reason whatsoever to claim blue to cc the cop claim as a VT.
This game is great because it serves as a lesson that even people as ___ as mm will have to admit is real: don't cc the cop as a vt for no reason, because if the cop gets lynched, then you'll get lynched, then town is pretty lost.
On July 22 2014 03:55 kushm4sta wrote: mm you voted bh though...
also rng is a great thing
Evidently you didn't learn much from this game :/
OK, yes, just this once rng happened to land on town. It's also just so happened to land on town literally every time I've used it....
hmm.
Well, if you think about it, NEXT TIME it's totally gonna work, cause I'm definitely due for it to land on scum. It's kinda surprising it hasn't happened yet.
On July 22 2014 04:40 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I think people are overlooking the fact that Robik essentially started the wave of blue claims.
How did I do this? I started the wave by counterclaiming? That's not starting a wave. That's just putting pressure on the claimant. MM1 thought he was dropping some blue cover.
Everyone keeps overlooking the fact that town put the 4th and 5th vote onto our blue uncc'ed blue. If anyone tries to push the argument that mm1 was sincerely cc'ing BH, then you gotta check yoself
On July 22 2014 04:40 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I think people are overlooking the fact that Robik essentially started the wave of blue claims.
How did I do this? I started the wave by counterclaiming? That's not starting a wave. That's just putting pressure on the claimant. MM1 thought he was dropping some blue cover.
Everyone keeps overlooking the fact that town put the 4th and 5th vote onto our blue uncc'ed blue. If anyone tries to push the argument that mm1 was sincerely cc'ing BH, then you gotta check yoself
Don't claim blue. Ever. If you are town and not blue. Especially on D1. This is not video mafia and it will ALWAYS fuck up the town, always. There is a reason claims are either real or fakeclaims by mafia on forum games.
Like if the game is not a no-flip game and the real blue gets lynched you are the next 100%, then the town gets demotivated and all the posts after that will be "fuck stupid dumb townies i quit gg".
Cause if he's mafia, I want him to crack. If he's blue, I want to put pressure on him so that mafia leave him alive in case they decide they'll get him mislynched. There's literally no reason not to try to take bullets for blues. It's really not a black-white thing. I want my blue alive as long as possible and if I can take a shot for him, then i'm going to do it.
And you'll fuck up the game if he gets lynched. And you'll probably fuck up the game if he can convince the town to not lynch him and gets shot (which makes you fakeclaiming). There is really no reason to do that. Just make up your mind if the claim is true and CONVINCe the town to either lynch/not lynch them (un-cc'd blue is really easy to convince NOT to be lynched).
On July 22 2014 05:15 IAmRobik wrote: Cause if he's mafia, I want him to crack. If he's blue, I want to put pressure on him so that mafia leave him alive in case they decide they'll get him mislynched. There's literally no reason not to try to take bullets for blues. It's really not a black-white thing. I want my blue alive as long as possible and if I can take a shot for him, then i'm going to do it.
But you wouldn't vote for the blue you are trying to take a bullet for right?
Also there is literally every reason to not take bullets for the blues because if they are bad it's better that some other (better - who can actually solve the game) player stays alive. Games are not won by blues, they are won by scumhunting, blues are just an unnecessary addition that might help the town if the actions are correct.
On July 22 2014 05:16 IAmRobik wrote: This isn't even like a topic that can be argued. It's black and white.
It is black and white. It is an awful play that cannot be justified or argued.
No. If no one leaves cover for a cop (for example) by leaving fake checks, then the cop can't safely leave his checks. If mafia kills the cop before the cop comes out, which will be easy if no one else is leaving any semblance of certainty about reads, then town doesn't have a boatload of information that they could readily have.
Additionally, if everyone leave fake checks, then some people can be given some extra slack and potentially cleared cause mafia should be blue hunting. Obviously, this can be leveled by the mafia, but then the cop stays alive for longer.
It's really black and white, and you guys are doing it wrong.
If MM wouldn't of voted BH there would of been a good reason to say he was just tryin to take bullets, but he voted to lynch him after he had claimed and then said he was the cop and voted anyway zzzzz
I think Robik would have a perfectly fine argument if he could keep control of the town and not actually lynch the blue player.
Like, it DOES make sense to me that you'd want scum to be confused. I get that, that could be awesome. But I think-- and maybe this is putting the cart before the horse-- that you should only try this kind of shenannigan if you can actually pull it off. Look, if neither me nor mm1 was lynched D1 and scum shot MM1 night 1, then that would be amazing, right? I think probably people would be saying "sick play mm1, very risky, but sick play" or something. Maybe.
But that's not what happened. MM1 and Robik, in pressuring someone who was actually the blue in order to fool scum or take a bullet or whatever, in fakeclaiming as VTs, lost control of the town (or perhaps just screwed up) and I ended up getting lynched.
I'm not gonna say that the strategy that Robik went for, or MM's choice to CC me "100% serious"ly, and vote me, was inherently a bad strategy that couldn't ever work.
I will say that this game, it resulted in the only blue getting CCed by a VT, then getting lynched, then the VT getting lynched.
And I think we can all agree that's not a good outcome. Maybe this was a one-time thing and normally you'll be able to prevent this, but given this one data point, I gotta say "this strategy seems questionable at best".
like i don't know what you assume robik but cop does not need to "safely leave his checks". If he gets a red result he'll make a case and lynch the red check without outing he is a cop. If he finds all mafia left (or in other circumstances) he claims. If he get identified as blue and gets killed by mafia because of that he is bad. If he gets killed because he was playing well and proved himself town and was pointing the town towards mafia (even without checks) then he played well and other townies should play as well as he did.
Never rely on blues, and what you just said will just confuse town because people will focus on irrelevant shit like "who left good checks and who did levae bad checks" and the game goes clusterfuck like always in situations like that... keep it simple.
I left for like an hour and came back to rescind be he already died. I also hadnt slept for like 40 hours, but even if i was cop i wouldnt have cced. He wants to fakeclaim d1 he is going to get lynched by d3 cause if he was cop he should have died.he cant fake reds either with flips.
Ok I understand that but why did you say he was town in one post and then Vote him for lynch? To me it made him harder not to vote for if I believed one or the other to be town
a 9 man setup by itself is very uncomfortable for scum to play in. If you have a couple townies playing well it gets very hard to find mislynches. You make it overly complicated with these blue shenanigans just play it straight up.
On July 22 2014 05:55 iamperfection wrote: a 9 man setup by itself is very uncomfortable for scum to play in. If you have a couple townies playing well it gets very hard to find mislynches. You make it overly complicated with these blue shenanigans just play it straight up.
I can't emphasize this enough. By the end of day one, I already had 4 other townreads, not including myself. The claim, and every single thing that happened afterwards, were completely unnecessary.
Town reads and scum reads don't mean shit unless you can push them. I could have kicked, yelled and screamed for 70 hours, but MM1 was going to be lynched d2.
On July 22 2014 05:25 IAmRobik wrote: ... It's really black and white, and you guys are doing it wrong.
Given what happened in this game, your argument isn't very compelling.
You listed a bunch of justifications for fake-claiming, and I'll list and respond to them one by one. I sympathize with a lot of the justifications, but the fact is, fake-claiming sounds a lot better on paper than in practice. It is just a high-risk play with very low potential rewards.
On July 22 2014 05:15 IAmRobik wrote: Cause if he's mafia, I want him to crack.
Sounds good on paper, but there's a far better solution to this. If no one fake claims, he's confirmed town. If someone counter-claims for real, he's mafia. Pretty plain and simple.
Instead, you fake-claimed, and town discussion completely went off the rails. There was no actual scum-hunting. Instead, people wasted 20 pages talking about blue claims, and ended up lynching a blue anyway.
If he's blue, I want to put pressure on him so that mafia leave him alive in case they decide they'll get him mislynched.
Again this sounds good on paper, but you focus on all the potential positive outcomes instead of the many negative outcomes. This game is a perfect example of a negative outcome - you confused town a thousand times more than you confused mafia. All hope of productive discussion was destroyed, and you inspired a bunch of players to make their own fake-claims, further spiraling town into a cycle of chaos.
There's literally no reason not to try to take bullets for blues. It's really not a black-white thing. I want my blue alive as long as possible and if I can take a shot for him, then i'm going to do it.
There's every reason not to take a bullet for an unconfirmed blue, especially if the alternative is shitting all over the thread to do so.
If no one leaves cover for a cop (for example) by leaving fake checks, then the cop can't safely leave his checks. If mafia kills the cop before the cop comes out, which will be easy if no one else is leaving any semblance of certainty about reads, then town doesn't have a boatload of information that they could readily have.
You're vastly over-valuing blue roles, and underestimating the shitfest you create by claiming. Like if you fake-claim, who cares about the "information the real cop could have" if no one's going to trust any claim anyway? Then you have a cop alive that no one can trust. Hell it's generally really easy for mafia to find the real cop regardless.
Additionally, if everyone leave fake checks, then some people can be given some extra slack and potentially cleared cause mafia should be blue hunting. Obviously, this can be leveled by the mafia, but then the cop stays alive for longer.
I have literally never seen a single mafia lynched in a game of forum mafia because he/she was caught "blue hunting."
I don't want to sound like the fake-claim was THE MISTAKE of the game. It definitely wasn't. It was just one of many selfish plays that townies made, and all these selfish plays combined turned into the disaster that was this game. Blazinghand's RNG vote, the other fake claims, Sincker's very arrogant/hostile attitude in a town-leadership position... all these plays put personal agendas ahead of town-agendas, and it greatly cost the town.
On July 22 2014 06:47 Blazinghand wrote: For what it's worth, I did eventually back off on the "robik is scum" theory and did other things, like claim blue and get lynched
It's not really worth anything. You created a bunch of chaos, antagonized a townie to the point of insanity, then assumed your claim would bail you out after you pissed off everyone in the game.
And there's nothing that angry townies do better than mislynching people who annoy them :3
Is there a world where MM1 doesn't get lynched that day? Like ANY WORLD? On a scale of 1-10, how hard would I have to argue for him to not get lynched, and would it even work in the end?
On July 22 2014 06:52 IAmRobik wrote: Is there a world where MM1 doesn't get lynched that day? Like ANY WORLD? On a scale of 1-10, how hard would I have to argue for him to not get lynched, and would it even work in the end?
Probably not. But who's arguing about that right now? I'm certainly not.
On July 22 2014 06:52 IAmRobik wrote: Is there a world where MM1 doesn't get lynched that day? Like ANY WORLD? On a scale of 1-10, how hard would I have to argue for him to not get lynched, and would it even work in the end?
The only world I can see is one where he winds up getting lynched day 1 and we realize that he was an idiot, and then we just move on from there normally.
On July 22 2014 06:47 Blazinghand wrote: For what it's worth, I did eventually back off on the "robik is scum" theory and did other things, like claim blue and get lynched
It's not really worth anything. You created a bunch of chaos, antagonized a townie to the point of insanity, then assumed your claim would bail you out after you pissed off everyone in the game.
And there's nothing that angry townies do better than mislynching people who annoy them :3
sorry, that was meant to be sarcasting. Claiming blue and getting lynched is not an impressive list of achievements.
I will say, I was feeling still kinda ok about getting lynched until I found out MM1 was town.
On July 22 2014 06:47 Blazinghand wrote: For what it's worth, I did eventually back off on the "robik is scum" theory and did other things, like claim blue and get lynched
It's not really worth anything. You created a bunch of chaos, antagonized a townie to the point of insanity, then assumed your claim would bail you out after you pissed off everyone in the game.
And there's nothing that angry townies do better than mislynching people who annoy them :3
sorry, that was meant to be sarcasting. Claiming blue and getting lynched is not an impressive list of achievements.
I will say, I was feeling still kinda ok about getting lynched until I found out MM1 was town.
On July 22 2014 06:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: fake claims by town always puts town behind. except for mine, because i know what i am doing, like saving the cop for example.
On July 22 2014 06:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: fake claims by town always puts town behind. except for mine, because i know what i am doing, like saving the cop for example.
On July 22 2014 06:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: fake claims by town always puts town behind. except for mine, because i know what i am doing, like saving the cop for example.
ahem
gimme one example.
well there was that game you drew out the veteran claim from another player, thus warning mafia off him and giving town one less mislynch
you even admitted culpability for that at the time
yes after game that was a "bad" decision, but i cc'd his role, and didn't even lynch him when i realized he was most likely "town favored". bad claim? yes. bad claim based on circumstances? i doubt.
in the same game i also saved our cop on D1 and fucking made mafia squirm with their "claims". i also NEARLY got the last scum to believe i was SK and not try to kill lthe other dude AFTER lylo.
like i cc'd a third faction because he claimed my role (in a game where there was a fair assumption no 2 veterans - and no doc save notifications, and marv and hapa in the game). i wanted to lynch scum. i thought he was scum. i didn't doubt for a second until his claim made sense.
On July 22 2014 05:55 iamperfection wrote: a 9 man setup by itself is very uncomfortable for scum to play in. If you have a couple townies playing well it gets very hard to find mislynches. You make it overly complicated with these blue shenanigans just play it straight up.
On July 21 2014 17:00 Sylencia wrote: ##vote snickers
Idk, I've seen Robik as being more town as you this game, I can't see him being scum this game so I'm more inclined to trust his read tbh.
and this post happened eleven minutes before gobble's post. If by some miracle robik was here and unvoted me, I probably would have switch my vote to sylencia. I almost fell over when I read how terrible this post was.
On July 21 2014 17:00 Sylencia wrote: ##vote snickers
Idk, I've seen Robik as being more town as you this game, I can't see him being scum this game so I'm more inclined to trust his read tbh.
and this post happened eleven minutes before gobble's post. If by some miracle robik was here and unvoted me, I probably would have switch my vote to sylencia. I almost fell over when I read how terrible this post was.
The use of IDK and TBH in addition to to the "Oh Robik is more town than snickers so I'll ignore everyone else and vote you" make that particular post 100% scummy
On July 21 2014 17:00 Sylencia wrote: ##vote snickers
Idk, I've seen Robik as being more town as you this game, I can't see him being scum this game so I'm more inclined to trust his read tbh.
and this post happened eleven minutes before gobble's post. If by some miracle robik was here and unvoted me, I probably would have switch my vote to sylencia. I almost fell over when I read how terrible this post was.
ofc it was terrible i was waiting for gobble and I to both be online so we'd instahammer :\ I was sweating it though