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On June 16 2014 10:12 Epishade wrote:
Haha, I was hoping you would join since I saw you post in the general mafia games thread about upcoming games.
Well I'm pretty noob at this. I only played one game in TL+ nearly a year ago (mafia goon, draw due to inactivity) so I'm going to screw up most likely.
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##Vote: TheKingOfTheCats
Only my vote counts because capitalization.
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Oh damn it, I'm going to be gone a lot of wednesday through friday. I didn't realize the game would begin this soon.
Can I /out?
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On June 18 2014 02:25 Epishade wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 00:11 The_Templar wrote:
Oh damn it, I'm going to be gone a lot of wednesday through friday. I didn't realize the game would begin this soon.
Can I /out? I'm gonna be out a lot of Thursday through Saturday/Sunday. As long as you can get at least some meaningful posts in it's generally not a huge concern.
I'll use a phone then. Never mind about /out.
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On June 18 2014 05:59 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2014 06:25 marvellosity wrote:On June 17 2014 06:21 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:/confirm I'm a little burned out on mafia atm so i may not be putting a massive amount of effort into this game. I'm telling you guys this now so you don't spend 60 pages overanalyzing it and thinking i'm scum because i posted it after the game started.  ##Vote: ThekingoftheCats Show nested quote +On June 17 2014 12:16 The_Templar wrote:
##Vote: TheKingOfTheCats
Only my vote counts because capitalization. Hmm. This push on me seems to have come out of nowhere and people are jumping on it for seemingly no reason. There are scum on this wagon, that is certain... ... ...The Templar's taking this push far more seriously than the others, making sure to capitalize my name to make sure his vote counts. He seems too eager to get me lynched even though no reason has been given as to why i should be. He's not interested in finding scum, he's interested in getting people killed. ##Vote: The Templar
How am I supposed to find scum if even they don't know who they are?
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On June 18 2014 06:20 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 06:10 The_Templar wrote:On June 18 2014 05:59 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 17 2014 06:25 marvellosity wrote:On June 17 2014 06:21 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:/confirm I'm a little burned out on mafia atm so i may not be putting a massive amount of effort into this game. I'm telling you guys this now so you don't spend 60 pages overanalyzing it and thinking i'm scum because i posted it after the game started. ##Vote: ThekingoftheCats On June 17 2014 09:47 NydusHerMain wrote:
##Vote: ThekingoftheCats On June 17 2014 12:16 The_Templar wrote:
##Vote: TheKingOfTheCats
Only my vote counts because capitalization. Hmm. This push on me seems to have come out of nowhere and people are jumping on it for seemingly no reason. There are scum on this wagon, that is certain... ... ...The Templar's taking this push far more seriously than the others, making sure to capitalize my name to make sure his vote counts. He seems too eager to get me lynched even though no reason has been given as to why i should be. He's not interested in finding scum, he's interested in getting people killed. ##Vote: The Templar How am I supposed to find scum if even they don't know who they are? such a scummy answer. ##Vote: The_Templar
My answer's far from scummy. Killing somebody gives the town the chance to kill mafia since the mafia is favored at night, while not lynching guarantees losing in the long run. This is supported in TL mafia guides.
Look at TheKingOfTheCats' post again. He gave people reason to vote him by claiming he'll be 'burned out on mafia' and then immediately jumped on one of the people voting him. While this could be a fine piece of deception, I believe it is more likely extremely scummy. My vote stands.
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On June 18 2014 13:23 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 02:25 Epishade wrote:
I'm gonna be out a lot of Thursday through Saturday/Sunday. As long as you can get at least some meaningful posts in it's generally not a huge concern. Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 00:11 The_Templar wrote:
Oh damn it, I'm going to be gone a lot of wednesday through friday. I didn't realize the game would begin this soon.
Can I /out? My schedule also sucks.
Tell you what. Since I have work, and other folks have stuff, and GlowingBear seems to be gone, I will wait until Friday for the bear. If he does not confirm, jonhy- will replace GlowingBear by actually being here. Then, we will start any day between Saturday, Sunday, or Monday.
Deadline would be 04:00 GMT (+00:00) because I need it to be so late. Thawwee.
Lemme know.
Btw Templar you may out whenever, just after game start is discouraged. Even then though that is why I still want folks to /replace! 
But again our schedules are similarly suxxu
The deadline is exactly the earliest that I generally can not make it. Can you make it half an hour earlier?
Sunday and Monday are fine for me though.
On June 18 2014 13:35 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 06:10 The_Templar wrote:On June 18 2014 05:59 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 17 2014 06:25 marvellosity wrote:On June 17 2014 06:21 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:/confirm I'm a little burned out on mafia atm so i may not be putting a massive amount of effort into this game. I'm telling you guys this now so you don't spend 60 pages overanalyzing it and thinking i'm scum because i posted it after the game started. ##Vote: ThekingoftheCats On June 17 2014 09:47 NydusHerMain wrote:
##Vote: ThekingoftheCats On June 17 2014 12:16 The_Templar wrote:
##Vote: TheKingOfTheCats
Only my vote counts because capitalization. Hmm. This push on me seems to have come out of nowhere and people are jumping on it for seemingly no reason. There are scum on this wagon, that is certain... ... ...The Templar's taking this push far more seriously than the others, making sure to capitalize my name to make sure his vote counts. He seems too eager to get me lynched even though no reason has been given as to why i should be. He's not interested in finding scum, he's interested in getting people killed. ##Vote: The Templar How am I supposed to find scum if even they don't know who they are? Caught you red handed. Do anyone else know the precise amount of scum in this game? Nobody... except you. By using they instead of nobody, you already told us there's more than 1 scum, which is an unknown fact for all of us. Kotc is a good lynch for d2, but this guy needs to go. TMI.
Can we not assume that there is more than one mafia? We can safely assume the host is not an idiot considering he has hosted this newbie game (therefore he has lots of experience with mafia and knows how basic setups work). If there is one mafia and there are only roles listed in the OP, there are 12 town. Impossible, even for a magician such as Alakaslam.
You on the other hand, you are interesting. You quoted that post twice, claiming I was scummy, on the same page. What's up with that? And then someone comes out of nowhere and says your case is "solid". Yeah, ok. Trying to make your opinion look more popular, it seems, on a weak case.
On June 18 2014 13:37 Teemursu wrote:
HaruRH's case is solid.
Too town to be town.
So I can't be town because I'm obviously town? LOL ok.
On June 18 2014 14:34 Teemursu wrote:
You don't seem to understand that it would be -a terrible idea- to vote me off here. I am -pretty sure- he's mafia.
I've drawn some connections too. Cats is bussing Templar as mafia. Epishade Is mafia for voting me. HaruRH I don't think is town anymore, he's just trying to pocket me as mafia.
Mafia plise don't NK mee.
I have also drawn some connections. Everyone that has posted recently except Teemursu is mafia. Including the host. These are the same connections that Teemursu has drawn. Obviously, we should lynch all the mafia. And since everyone that doesn't post, everyone except Teemursu will be dead before night 2.
See what happens when you get as paranoid as you are?
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On June 18 2014 23:36 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 23:31 The_Templar wrote:On June 18 2014 13:23 Alakaslam wrote:On June 18 2014 02:25 Epishade wrote:
I'm gonna be out a lot of Thursday through Saturday/Sunday. As long as you can get at least some meaningful posts in it's generally not a huge concern. On June 18 2014 00:11 The_Templar wrote:
Oh damn it, I'm going to be gone a lot of wednesday through friday. I didn't realize the game would begin this soon.
Can I /out? My schedule also sucks.
Tell you what. Since I have work, and other folks have stuff, and GlowingBear seems to be gone, I will wait until Friday for the bear. If he does not confirm, jonhy- will replace GlowingBear by actually being here. Then, we will start any day between Saturday, Sunday, or Monday.
Deadline would be 04:00 GMT (+00:00) because I need it to be so late. Thawwee.
Lemme know.
Btw Templar you may out whenever, just after game start is discouraged. Even then though that is why I still want folks to /replace!
But again our schedules are similarly suxxu The deadline is exactly the earliest that I generally can not make it. Can you make it half an hour earlier? Sunday and Monday are fine for me though. On June 18 2014 13:35 HaruRH wrote:On June 18 2014 06:10 The_Templar wrote:On June 18 2014 05:59 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 17 2014 06:25 marvellosity wrote:On June 17 2014 06:21 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:/confirm I'm a little burned out on mafia atm so i may not be putting a massive amount of effort into this game. I'm telling you guys this now so you don't spend 60 pages overanalyzing it and thinking i'm scum because i posted it after the game started. ##Vote: ThekingoftheCats On June 17 2014 09:47 NydusHerMain wrote:
##Vote: ThekingoftheCats On June 17 2014 12:16 The_Templar wrote:
##Vote: TheKingOfTheCats
Only my vote counts because capitalization. Hmm. This push on me seems to have come out of nowhere and people are jumping on it for seemingly no reason. There are scum on this wagon, that is certain... ... ...The Templar's taking this push far more seriously than the others, making sure to capitalize my name to make sure his vote counts. He seems too eager to get me lynched even though no reason has been given as to why i should be. He's not interested in finding scum, he's interested in getting people killed. ##Vote: The Templar How am I supposed to find scum if even they don't know who they are? Caught you red handed. Do anyone else know the precise amount of scum in this game? Nobody... except you. By using they instead of nobody, you already told us there's more than 1 scum, which is an unknown fact for all of us. Kotc is a good lynch for d2, but this guy needs to go. TMI. Can we not assume that there is more than one mafia? We can safely assume the host is not an idiot considering he has hosted this newbie game (therefore he has lots of experience with mafia and knows how basic setups work). If there is one mafia and there are only roles listed in the OP, there are 12 town. Impossible, even for a magician such as Alakaslam. You on the other hand, you are interesting. You quoted that post twice, claiming I was scummy, on the same page. What's up with that? And then someone comes out of nowhere and says your case is "solid". Yeah, ok. Trying to make your opinion look more popular, it seems, on a weak case. On June 18 2014 13:37 Teemursu wrote:
HaruRH's case is solid.
Too town to be town. So I can't be town because I'm obviously town? LOL ok. On June 18 2014 14:34 Teemursu wrote:
You don't seem to understand that it would be -a terrible idea- to vote me off here. I am -pretty sure- he's mafia.
I've drawn some connections too. Cats is bussing Templar as mafia. Epishade Is mafia for voting me. HaruRH I don't think is town anymore, he's just trying to pocket me as mafia.
Mafia plise don't NK mee. I have also drawn some connections. Everyone that has posted recently except Teemursu is mafia. Including the host. These are the same connections that Teemursu has drawn. Obviously, we should lynch all the mafia. And since everyone that doesn't post, everyone except Teemursu will be dead before night 2. See what happens when you get as paranoid as you are? No. I'm sure you, templar, is the godfather while everyone else who isn't in this game are all mafias, including the host. Stop trying to convince us not to lynch you. Of course, you can tell us to rolecheck you, which will turn out green anyway. Tell your scumbuddies to hide in their scum QT. No mercy for marv/slam/anyone involved. We ain't lynching nydus today. We are only lynching nydus on the last day so that we can laugh at the scum.
Your claim isn't even possible, because nobody that's not in this game has a role from this game. At this point you're making stuff up.
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Feeling good about quadruple posting?
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On June 19 2014 03:34 NydusHerMain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2014 03:14 Epishade wrote:
Has nobody placed any thought on Teemursu's blatantly errant logic apart from me and Nydus? In no way do any of his points make sense! Cats can't be bussing Templar! He changes his mind about Haruhi between posts without her even posting or discussion being brought up about her. When I vote for him based on these plays, he calls me scum! His plays don't make sense! Weak scum or bad town? Idk, but I want him gone. He's a detriment to society! He's just reaction testing you. You have failed. ## Unvote
## Vote: Epishade
He made the correct reaction of using logic. Unfortunately, you have determined that since this is a newbie game, nobody actually uses logic unless he's working with other people to come up with logical-seeming statements, and that he must be town. This is absurd, of course, but in order to hide your fellow mafia's stupid statement, you have brought out the "Oh he was obviously testing mafia" line.
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On June 19 2014 03:48 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2014 03:34 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 19 2014 03:14 Epishade wrote:
Has nobody placed any thought on Teemursu's blatantly errant logic apart from me and Nydus? In no way do any of his points make sense! Cats can't be bussing Templar! He changes his mind about Haruhi between posts without her even posting or discussion being brought up about her. When I vote for him based on these plays, he calls me scum! His plays don't make sense! Weak scum or bad town? Idk, but I want him gone. He's a detriment to society! He's just reaction testing you. You have failed. ## Unvote
## Vote: Epishade He made the correct reaction of using logic. Unfortunately, you have determined that since this is a newbie game, nobody actually uses logic unless he's working with other people to come up with logical-seeming statements, and that he must be town. This is absurd, of course, but in order to hide your fellow mafia's stupid statement, you have brought out the "Oh he was obviously testing mafia" line. ##Unvote
##Vote: NydusHerMain
EBWOP: Sorry, didn't see the above post.
##Vote: NydusHerMain
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On June 19 2014 03:49 Amiko wrote:
(we could give you guys pre-game roles ^^)
Please don't, that would be so confusing lol
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On June 19 2014 03:51 NydusHerMain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2014 03:49 The_Templar wrote:On June 19 2014 03:48 The_Templar wrote:On June 19 2014 03:34 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 19 2014 03:14 Epishade wrote:
Has nobody placed any thought on Teemursu's blatantly errant logic apart from me and Nydus? In no way do any of his points make sense! Cats can't be bussing Templar! He changes his mind about Haruhi between posts without her even posting or discussion being brought up about her. When I vote for him based on these plays, he calls me scum! His plays don't make sense! Weak scum or bad town? Idk, but I want him gone. He's a detriment to society! He's just reaction testing you. You have failed. ## Unvote
## Vote: Epishade He made the correct reaction of using logic. Unfortunately, you have determined that since this is a newbie game, nobody actually uses logic unless he's working with other people to come up with logical-seeming statements, and that he must be town. This is absurd, of course, but in order to hide your fellow mafia's stupid statement, you have brought out the "Oh he was obviously testing mafia" line. ##Unvote
##Vote: NydusHerMain EBWOP: Sorry, didn't see the above post. ##Vote: NydusHerMain Not paying attention to the game... even bolded blue text... clearly mafia ##Vote: The_Templar
The post was 2 minutes before mine. I spent 3 minutes writing that post and didn't refresh. But you can pretend that missing a post or two automatically makes someone mafia.
##Vote: NydusHerMain
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On June 19 2014 03:58 Teemursu wrote:
gUISE, we're all frends and shold just shill n- enjoy eech oders compony
EDIT: typo
editing!? Definitely mafia.
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I am not available at 04:00 GMT (+00:00) or later, can it be pushed half an hour earlier?
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On June 19 2014 04:17 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2014 04:10 The_Templar wrote:
I am not available at 04:00 GMT (+00:00) or later, can it be pushed half an hour earlier? I'm not actually trolling this time, but if the time is going to be around 4:00, this is really the best time possible time for me. Anything earlier, and I need to wake up at like 5am before I leave to work.
Well, I can be here until the deadline, but I won't be available for hours after it. Even 5 minutes earlier would be very good for me.
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The starting time is exactly the time my internet cuts out for the evening. Looks like I'll be starting 8-9 hours late.
I would like to know whether there are 3-4 mafia
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Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes.
I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e.
I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though).
My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar.
I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone!
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On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote:
Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes.
I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e.
I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though).
My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar.
I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone!
Edit: As my only other game was in TL+ which is hard to access, I would like to share it a little bit. I was a mafia goon and took the game way too seriously and overanalyzed everything. Some people outside the game suspected me, but nobody voiced anything, and due to general inactivity the game ended in a draw. I don't know how my town play is.
On July 10 2013 12:33 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2013 12:32 Firebolt145 wrote:
How many hours per day did you guys spend on this on average? 11 I never want to be mafia again.
On July 10 2013 12:41 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2013 12:33 The_Templar wrote:On July 10 2013 12:32 Firebolt145 wrote:
How many hours per day did you guys spend on this on average? 11 I never want to be mafia again. To clarify, most of my time was spent writing long, elaborate posts and not posting them, as well as writing out tons of potential scenarios for the coming hours. My large analysis posts probably took 2-3 hours each.
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On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker.
Now wait just a minute.
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On June 21 2014 22:48 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 20:57 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 20:48 HaruRH wrote:On June 21 2014 20:41 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Hello people, i have a stupid username. I've been playing mafia on OMGUS (TL's evil twin that's locked in the basement and fed a bucket of fish heads every night) since last october. Between then and now i was somehow voted season 2 best town so if my play is terrible it's pretty much a certainty that i'm scum.  Yea your scum play is horrible, to the extent of nearly being modkilled. I hope you aren't going to afk :/ I should be more active this game because i actually know how to play town. I was quiet in my last game because i have no idea what i'm doing as scum. How was i nearly modkilled in that game? How DO you play town? Let's talk! Do you read into tone perhaps? Who do you like/dislike?
There's this guy named Teemursu who's taking things really seriously at the beginning of day 1.
In all seriousness, no reads for me yet as we've just introduced each other. Meatpudding's joke seemed a bit… random, (trying to get things friendly between everyone perhaps?) but I don't think it really means anything.
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On June 21 2014 23:19 Hobbitus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:09 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 23:04 Hobbitus wrote:On June 21 2014 22:51 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 22:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:46 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. I don't like this. What don't you like about it? The joke felt forced. Admitting to lurking and not at least saying you'll have more reads later on in the day rings scummy to me. Anyway, I just wanted to ping someone out. Do you have any early reads? Weird that you say that before meatpudding even reacts? But I'm with Templar, too early for me to get any reads. Might've been too early, agreed. I'm probably too used to video mafia's speed. I did get a towny vibe from Templar, though, so it's not like I came out empty-handed. What's video mafia? I've seen someone play like 5-minute chat mafia, which was fairly terrifying haha
It's like IRL mafia except online I think?
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On June 21 2014 23:22 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:19 Hobbitus wrote:On June 21 2014 23:09 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 23:04 Hobbitus wrote:On June 21 2014 22:51 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 22:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:46 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. I don't like this. What don't you like about it? The joke felt forced. Admitting to lurking and not at least saying you'll have more reads later on in the day rings scummy to me. Anyway, I just wanted to ping someone out. Do you have any early reads? Weird that you say that before meatpudding even reacts? But I'm with Templar, too early for me to get any reads. Might've been too early, agreed. I'm probably too used to video mafia's speed. I did get a towny vibe from Templar, though, so it's not like I came out empty-handed. What's video mafia? I've seen someone play like 5-minute chat mafia, which was fairly terrifying haha It's like IRL mafia except online I think?
edit: online, by video, sort of like Skype + video chat
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On June 21 2014 23:54 NydusHerMain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 22:48 Solar424 wrote:
Hello. I am new to TL, and this is the first time playing Mafia online, bu I know the rules. Feeling a bit rushed, spelling error, no details, I think you are scum
Do you often talk
And make all of your scum reads
In haiku format?
That could get very annoying very quickly.
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On June 21 2014 23:55 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:54 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 21 2014 22:48 Solar424 wrote:
Hello. I am new to TL, and this is the first time playing Mafia online, bu I know the rules. Feeling a bit rushed, spelling error, no details, I think you are scum Do you often talk And make all of your scum reads In haiku format? That could get very annoying very quickly.
edit: You don't actually think he's scum do you?
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On June 22 2014 00:41 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 00:14 Hobbitus wrote:On June 22 2014 00:01 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 23:59 Hobbitus wrote:On June 21 2014 23:51 HaruRH wrote:On June 21 2014 23:44 Hobbitus wrote:On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:
But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course.
Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town?
TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. That seems like too obvious a play to me? I could see one or the other being scum but not both. Uh, do you really think this is a play? No, that's my point. Meatpudding is saying that's a play, but I don't think so. IF it is though, I think it'd be more likely that one is town and one is scum than both being scum. If you don't think it's a play, do you have a specific reasoning for that? Who do you think is the town/scum? Well like I said, it seems very obvious/early for a play? One "hey I think you're towny" post does not a scumteam make. It's more like you're sniffing out reads to me. That being said, if it is a play I'd say you're more likely than Templar to be scum just because you do have such polarized reactions to people. Now, you're raising flags here. I don't want to spoil your mood but once the day goes into full gear, you will only see one-sided polarised arguments filled with tunnel vision of each other. Also, by calling out the 'play', and yet saying you think it's too obvious/early for plays you're contradicting yourself. + Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 23:44 Hobbitus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:On June 21 2014 23:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:09 meatpudding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote:
Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes.
I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e.
I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though).
My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar.
I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Since you're wondering, it was a direct response to this post. I usually browse custom maps but don't often post there. What was a direct response to that post? This post was a response to Templar: On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course. Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town?TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. That seems like too obvious a play to me? I could see one or the other being scum but not both.
He actually left room open for both possibilities in his post- "If it is a play [even though it seems very obvious/early for a play], I think you're more likely to be scum"
The part in the spoiler is more interesting. He is not quite saying that it is a play, more like "it's too obvious to be a play". It fits with the rest of his posts IMO.
On June 22 2014 01:03 Hobbitus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 00:41 HaruRH wrote:On June 22 2014 00:14 Hobbitus wrote:On June 22 2014 00:01 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 23:59 Hobbitus wrote:On June 21 2014 23:51 HaruRH wrote:
Uh, do you really think this is a play? No, that's my point. Meatpudding is saying that's a play, but I don't think so. IF it is though, I think it'd be more likely that one is town and one is scum than both being scum. If you don't think it's a play, do you have a specific reasoning for that? Who do you think is the town/scum? Well like I said, it seems very obvious/early for a play? One "hey I think you're towny" post does not a scumteam make. It's more like you're sniffing out reads to me. That being said, if it is a play I'd say you're more likely than Templar to be scum just because you do have such polarized reactions to people. Now, you're raising flags here. I don't want to spoil your mood but once the day goes into full gear, you will only see one-sided polarised arguments filled with tunnel vision of each other. Also, by calling out the 'play', and yet saying you think it's too obvious/early for plays you're contradicting yourself. I know it's going to go into tunnel vision, but I don't think there is enough info out there for that to have happened so far, and yet you have a pretty strong opinion on most people already. To me that suggests a strategy of some kind. What that strategy is, I don't know. To clarify, I don't think you and Templar were buddying up like meatpudding (not I) suggested. The idea of THAT play seems too obvious and early.
Haru wasn't involved in this…? He jumped in with his opinion at some point.
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I am going to play bridge. I'll be back in about 4 and a half hours and I'll see if some reads have developed for me.
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On June 22 2014 01:11 The_Templar wrote:
I am going to play bridge. I'll be back in about 4 and a half hours and I'll see if some reads have developed for me.
Edit: I'm about to go play bridge
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On June 22 2014 01:15 Hobbitus wrote:Sorry, like I said I'm new and might screw up the quoting stuff  Thank u, Templar, very wise. (FYI I am a girl)
Oh, whoops. Will refer to you as such from now on
(I'm leaving now)
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Back, trying to read into these posts a bit but it looks like it got messy. I'll update with what I think in a few minutes.
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On June 22 2014 07:16 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 05:50 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 22 2014 04:30 scott31337 wrote:On June 21 2014 23:55 The_Templar wrote:On June 21 2014 23:54 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 21 2014 22:48 Solar424 wrote:
Hello. I am new to TL, and this is the first time playing Mafia online, bu I know the rules. Feeling a bit rushed, spelling error, no details, I think you are scum Do you often talk And make all of your scum reads In haiku format? That could get very annoying very quickly. I like the haiku posting, I can see where it would get annoying quickly though, maybe to change the subject? ... Do you have any thoughts on anyone else? Me, teemursu and meatpudding perhaps? So far, I really do not - and we got too many non-posters still as well. Being talkative often is a sign of misdirection, but not always. I have a couple small hints of where I'm going, Templar a little townie - Thinking there's over five people who haven't even posted, they could all be scum - and there's too many quiet ends.
If they don't post and they're mafia there's no problem. They'll just get modkilled. This does take a bit of fun out of the game, though (and I'm playing this game for fun. I'm not getting into arguments unless they're game-related arguments)
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+ Show Spoiler +On June 22 2014 01:24 NydusHerMain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 01:11 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 22 2014 01:03 Hobbitus wrote:On June 22 2014 00:41 HaruRH wrote:On June 22 2014 00:14 Hobbitus wrote:On June 22 2014 00:01 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 23:59 Hobbitus wrote:On June 21 2014 23:51 HaruRH wrote:
Uh, do you really think this is a play? No, that's my point. Meatpudding is saying that's a play, but I don't think so. IF it is though, I think it'd be more likely that one is town and one is scum than both being scum. If you don't think it's a play, do you have a specific reasoning for that? Who do you think is the town/scum? Well like I said, it seems very obvious/early for a play? One "hey I think you're towny" post does not a scumteam make. It's more like you're sniffing out reads to me. That being said, if it is a play I'd say you're more likely than Templar to be scum just because you do have such polarized reactions to people. Now, you're raising flags here. I don't want to spoil your mood but once the day goes into full gear, you will only see one-sided polarised arguments filled with tunnel vision of each other. Also, by calling out the 'play', and yet saying you think it's too obvious/early for plays you're contradicting yourself. I know it's going to go into tunnel vision, but I don't think there is enough info out there for that to have happened so far, and yet you have a pretty strong opinion on most people already. To me that suggests a strategy of some kind. What that strategy is, I don't know. To clarify, I don't think you and Templar were buddying up like meatpudding (not I) suggested. The idea of THAT play seems too obvious and early. Reaction testing, he does this in video, neither town nor scum I'm going to step out of haiku mode for this one because I made an error. I thought this was a conversation between Hobbitus and Teemu. I'm slightly sleep deprived and know Teemu outside of TL Mafia so feel inclined to defend him without having an actual reason to think that he's not scum. Fair enough. Just make sure you're not confusing Teemu and Haru in the future, as that will get confusing really quick. I wonder why Haru jumped in so suddenly but I guess he could do this a lot, not sure yet. I'm watching your posting pattern so that I make sure you're consistent on what you've stated here.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 22 2014 01:39 NydusHerMain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 22:59 Teemursu wrote:Yeah, I'm probably the most serious person you'll meet on this forum. I actually kinda like this read. Feels like it's coming from a towny perspective. We -are- all new here and some are playing for the first time, and your read has that ring to it. As someone who plays with you a lot in video mafia, I feel like this is not a typical read of yours. Seems a bit forced, and I hope that it's a reaction test. If it is, I'd like you to explain what you got from it. Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:On June 21 2014 23:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:09 meatpudding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote:
Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes.
I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e.
I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though).
My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar.
I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Since you're wondering, it was a direct response to this post. I usually browse custom maps but don't often post there. What was a direct response to that post? This post was a response to Templar: On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course. Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town?TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. I don't think scum align themselves so quickly. The read seems a bit weak but I don't necessarily think it comes from scum. Your read on TheKingOfCats seems to come from a towny perspective. Not sure what to think of you yet but leaning town. Keep in mind that people could act differently in forum mafia. More on this later on, I explained it better then and I don't want to duplicate in this post. Personally, in the sc2 mod mafia, I watch people and jump out at them when they're unsure to trip them up, but this doesn't work in forum mafia (I tried in the TL+ game). So, I am going to watch and observe patterns, trying to figure out where everyone's going and what their plan is. I know this part of my post is a bit vague but hopefully I'll be able to show what I mean a bit better as the game goes on. Now, in your reply to meatpudding, why is that -any- different than Teemu's post on me? Neither are particularly strong and assume a lot of stuff. Teemu assumes that we're all figuring things out as we go, and it's town to realize that, and meatpudding guesses the motivation behind someone pressuring him on day 1. So what's the difference?
+ Show Spoiler +On June 22 2014 01:49 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:52 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:On June 21 2014 23:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:09 meatpudding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote:
Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes.
I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e.
I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though).
My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar.
I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Since you're wondering, it was a direct response to this post. I usually browse custom maps but don't often post there. What was a direct response to that post? This post was a response to Templar: On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course. Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town? TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. So I didn't specifically call you out. Apparently I got a reaction anyway, which is good, considering I just said I only pinged you out. I don't feel like TheKingOfCats is trying to lynch you at all, and I'm not sure how I should read your defensiveness about that (new player/mafia being pushed). He did give a fence read on you though. Like, It's obvious that we should lynch people who don't contribute at all. He's someone I'm going to keep my eye on. Please explain to me how i gave a fence read on meatpudding when i didn't give a read on him at all. Hehe, you didn't at all, in fact you even said there was no read on him yet specifically (A null read according to some guy). You did say that (obviously) we should lynch meatpudding if he's not contributing. (Not sure why you even bother to say it, it's like a universal truth in these games).
+ Show Spoiler +On June 22 2014 02:00 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 01:49 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:52 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:On June 21 2014 23:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:09 meatpudding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote:
Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes.
I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e.
I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though).
My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar.
I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Since you're wondering, it was a direct response to this post. I usually browse custom maps but don't often post there. What was a direct response to that post? This post was a response to Templar: On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course. Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town? TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. So I didn't specifically call you out. Apparently I got a reaction anyway, which is good, considering I just said I only pinged you out. I don't feel like TheKingOfCats is trying to lynch you at all, and I'm not sure how I should read your defensiveness about that (new player/mafia being pushed). He did give a fence read on you though. Like, It's obvious that we should lynch people who don't contribute at all. He's someone I'm going to keep my eye on. Please explain to me how i gave a fence read on meatpudding when i didn't give a read on him at all. Will do. Show nested quote +
It's too early for me to have any reads. Seeing as this is Meatpudding's first game i don't think his post was alignment indicative but if he doesn't contribute anything he'll be a good lynch regardless of his alignment.
Saying his post wasn't alignment indicative is still giving a read on him. You're evaluating his post and coming to a null conclusion. Also, I don't feel like you said much in general in the two lines of text that you wrote, since stating that people who don't contribute are good lynches is A) very obvious B) continuing to talk about Meatpudding in a null manner. I would say it's not a read because you can't read into it. Looking at it again, I do agree that Cat's post was a little too passive. Probably because he's not contributing much, as he said he wouldn't.
+ Show Spoiler +Now, I see a few people saying that meatpudding is scummy. Not seeing it personally. He only has two significant posts: On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:09 meatpudding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote:
Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes.
I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e.
I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though).
My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar.
I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Since you're wondering, it was a direct response to this post. I usually browse custom maps but don't often post there. What was a direct response to that post? This post was a response to Templar: Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course. Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town? TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. On June 22 2014 00:14 meatpudding wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:59 Hobbitus wrote:On June 21 2014 23:51 HaruRH wrote:On June 21 2014 23:44 Hobbitus wrote:On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:
But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course.
Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town?
TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. That seems like too obvious a play to me? I could see one or the other being scum but not both. Uh, do you really think this is a play? No, that's my point. Meatpudding is saying that's a play, but I don't think so. IF it is though, I think it'd be more likely that one is town and one is scum than both being scum. Would like to hear your thoughts as well. Do you have any reasoning to think that either would be scum? Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 22:59 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 22:53 The_Templar wrote:On June 21 2014 22:48 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 20:57 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 20:48 HaruRH wrote:On June 21 2014 20:41 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Hello people, i have a stupid username. I've been playing mafia on OMGUS (TL's evil twin that's locked in the basement and fed a bucket of fish heads every night) since last october. Between then and now i was somehow voted season 2 best town so if my play is terrible it's pretty much a certainty that i'm scum. Yea your scum play is horrible, to the extent of nearly being modkilled. I hope you aren't going to afk :/ I should be more active this game because i actually know how to play town. I was quiet in my last game because i have no idea what i'm doing as scum. How was i nearly modkilled in that game? How DO you play town? Let's talk! Do you read into tone perhaps? Who do you like/dislike? There's this guy named Teemursu who's taking things really seriously at the beginning of day 1. In all seriousness, no reads for me yet as we've just introduced each other. Meatpudding's joke seemed a bit… random, (trying to get things friendly between everyone perhaps?) but I don't think it really means anything. Yeah, I'm probably the most serious person you'll meet on this forum. I actually kinda like this read. Feels like it's coming from a towny perspective. We -are- all new here and some are playing for the first time, and your read has that ring to it. This post specifically makes me wonder. If Teemu is scum then I would say Templar is as well. Yeah, it's an obvious play, but if it's not a play then is there any reason to suspect either of them? All he's done is point out that Teemu agreed with my intentions (which apparently means we're both mafia), and that he was slightly pressured by Cats. This is in two posts. The Cats part is pretty straightforward and I covered it earlier in this post, so I'll focus on the pointing out of Teemu quickly siding with me. The first day is very slow compared to video mafia. Teemu is a video mafia player in general, which means he might be used to taking a side quickly and seeing how things develop (which they do at a blistering pace) (I don't know him very well, these are assumptions). I'm not particularly familiar with that side of mafia (although I play the sc2 mod, I really just lurk in the shadows and attack suspicious people), but I would assume that this is fairly normal. I did see a post that mentioned that Teemu's style is different than that, so I don't really know- perhaps he's trying to adapt but only being partially successful? I'm not really suspicious of either meatpudding or Teemu yet. If someone that knows him well explains his style to me, I'll try to see if he's playing weirdly, but someone else will be a better judge of that. This part of the post started with meatpudding and ended in Teemu. I think that the two are connected somehow, but this could be completely baseless.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 22 2014 05:46 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 02:21 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 22 2014 02:14 Teemursu wrote:On June 22 2014 02:07 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 22 2014 01:53 Teemursu wrote:On June 22 2014 01:39 NydusHerMain wrote:
As someone who plays with you a lot in video mafia, I feel like this is not a typical read of yours. Seems a bit forced, and I hope that it's a reaction test. If it is, I'd like you to explain what you got from it.
Why does it seem forced? I'm not reaction testing him. I did get a towny feel from what he said in the brackets.
I don't think scum align themselves so quickly. The read seems a bit weak but I don't necessarily think it comes from scum. Your read on TheKingOfCats seems to come from a towny perspective. Not sure what to think of you yet but leaning town.
I don't really hear you giving town/scum perspective reads either. I didn't necessarily read his defensiveness caused by TheKingOfCats's null read to come from a towny perspective. Could you specifically explain that read? When I play with you in video mafia, your town reads come from hearing people give several reads, and deciding on whether or not you like their logic. Seeing you give a quick town read for something very small that I personally don't see as being particularly alignment indicative is very weird from you. Perhaps your playstyle is different on forum mafia but if this were video mafia, you'd be quick to drop into my scum list. Having played with me before, you should know that my town and scum reads come from small things that people do or say whereas your reads come from a bigger picture. Reading the posts again, I realize that TheKingOfCats didn't even give a null read, rather, he gave no read at all. Meatpudding's defensiveness actually does seem scummy. I am getting names mixed up and should read more carefully. Personally, I feel like I'm expressing things here that I don't normally bother saying in video. I agree with you getting town reads from small things, but I rarely hear you explain reads by saying from which alignment/perspective players are telling their reads. In either case, we should evaluate each other based on this game alone. Discussing how our play might differ from different form of mafia is probably not going to give us much. In any case, what's your read on TheKingOfCats? My read on TheKingOfCats so far is that he is potential scum with MeatPudding. On June 21 2014 23:17 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:51 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 22:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:46 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. I don't like this. What don't you like about it? The joke felt forced. Admitting to lurking and not at least saying you'll have more reads later on in the day rings scummy to me. Anyway, I just wanted to ping someone out. Do you have any early reads? It's too early for me to have any reads. Seeing as this is Meatpudding's first game i don't think his post was alignment indicative but if he doesn't contribute anything he'll be a good lynch regardless of his alignment. On June 22 2014 01:49 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:52 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:On June 21 2014 23:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:09 meatpudding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote:
Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes.
I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e.
I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though).
My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar.
I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Since you're wondering, it was a direct response to this post. I usually browse custom maps but don't often post there. What was a direct response to that post? This post was a response to Templar: On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course. Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town? TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. So I didn't specifically call you out. Apparently I got a reaction anyway, which is good, considering I just said I only pinged you out. I don't feel like TheKingOfCats is trying to lynch you at all, and I'm not sure how I should read your defensiveness about that (new player/mafia being pushed). He did give a fence read on you though. Like, It's obvious that we should lynch people who don't contribute at all. He's someone I'm going to keep my eye on. Please explain to me how i gave a fence read on meatpudding when i didn't give a read on him at all. I find it weird that TheKingOfCats' first reaction is to question Teemu on a supposed "null read" when I feel like MeatPudding saying that TheKingOfCats is trying to lynch him (pretty much saying that TheKingOfCats has a scum read on him) is a much scummier thing. I didn't really see his post as scummy just poorly worded, plus people had already jumped on it so i didn't need to ask him myself. It does look a bit odd, though. Meatpudding seems to have reacted, a lot, to your post. Definitely more than you were intending considering you were trying to be passive about it. Why? Well, he could be scum. I don't know his skill level but his responses actually made it look like (to the rest of the town) that you were pressuring him, and I guess that could translate to being mafia. Not sure.
My reads so far: (also TLDR)
-Suspecting Nydus because he's got multiple standards on whether seeing something from a towny perspective is ok.
-No idea on meatpudding, so Null read for now and I'll change it later. I think it will be resolved by the end of the day.
-Cats is more involved than I thought he would be. But he's not doing anything in particular. Asking for more than he has.
-Teemu agrees with me and "thinks I'm town", which I always appreciate, but he "thinks I'm town". He could be a town, or a mafia trying to make both of us or just me look mafia. Again, completely ambiguous and I'm not sure.
I have come to two conclusions:
-Cats is my best guess at this point for scum.
-I'm not nearly as good as I thought I was. This has already gotten too complicated for simple analysis.
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On June 22 2014 08:05 scott31337 wrote:
Arguments are always good for stirring up the pot right?
Great point on mafia getting modkilled.
All I said about that is that it wouldn't be fun… that's not a great point or anything O.o
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On June 22 2014 08:08 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 07:39 The_Templar wrote:Responses to recent posts in this thread.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 22 2014 01:24 NydusHerMain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 01:11 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 22 2014 01:03 Hobbitus wrote:On June 22 2014 00:41 HaruRH wrote:On June 22 2014 00:14 Hobbitus wrote:On June 22 2014 00:01 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 23:59 Hobbitus wrote:On June 21 2014 23:51 HaruRH wrote:
Uh, do you really think this is a play? No, that's my point. Meatpudding is saying that's a play, but I don't think so. IF it is though, I think it'd be more likely that one is town and one is scum than both being scum. If you don't think it's a play, do you have a specific reasoning for that? Who do you think is the town/scum? Well like I said, it seems very obvious/early for a play? One "hey I think you're towny" post does not a scumteam make. It's more like you're sniffing out reads to me. That being said, if it is a play I'd say you're more likely than Templar to be scum just because you do have such polarized reactions to people. Now, you're raising flags here. I don't want to spoil your mood but once the day goes into full gear, you will only see one-sided polarised arguments filled with tunnel vision of each other. Also, by calling out the 'play', and yet saying you think it's too obvious/early for plays you're contradicting yourself. I know it's going to go into tunnel vision, but I don't think there is enough info out there for that to have happened so far, and yet you have a pretty strong opinion on most people already. To me that suggests a strategy of some kind. What that strategy is, I don't know. To clarify, I don't think you and Templar were buddying up like meatpudding (not I) suggested. The idea of THAT play seems too obvious and early. Reaction testing, he does this in video, neither town nor scum I'm going to step out of haiku mode for this one because I made an error. I thought this was a conversation between Hobbitus and Teemu. I'm slightly sleep deprived and know Teemu outside of TL Mafia so feel inclined to defend him without having an actual reason to think that he's not scum. Fair enough. Just make sure you're not confusing Teemu and Haru in the future, as that will get confusing really quick. I wonder why Haru jumped in so suddenly but I guess he could do this a lot, not sure yet. I'm watching your posting pattern so that I make sure you're consistent on what you've stated here.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 22 2014 01:39 NydusHerMain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 22:59 Teemursu wrote:Yeah, I'm probably the most serious person you'll meet on this forum. I actually kinda like this read. Feels like it's coming from a towny perspective. We -are- all new here and some are playing for the first time, and your read has that ring to it. As someone who plays with you a lot in video mafia, I feel like this is not a typical read of yours. Seems a bit forced, and I hope that it's a reaction test. If it is, I'd like you to explain what you got from it. Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:On June 21 2014 23:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:09 meatpudding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote:
Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes.
I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e.
I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though).
My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar.
I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Since you're wondering, it was a direct response to this post. I usually browse custom maps but don't often post there. What was a direct response to that post? This post was a response to Templar: On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course. Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town?TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. I don't think scum align themselves so quickly. The read seems a bit weak but I don't necessarily think it comes from scum. Your read on TheKingOfCats seems to come from a towny perspective. Not sure what to think of you yet but leaning town. Keep in mind that people could act differently in forum mafia. More on this later on, I explained it better then and I don't want to duplicate in this post. Personally, in the sc2 mod mafia, I watch people and jump out at them when they're unsure to trip them up, but this doesn't work in forum mafia (I tried in the TL+ game). So, I am going to watch and observe patterns, trying to figure out where everyone's going and what their plan is. I know this part of my post is a bit vague but hopefully I'll be able to show what I mean a bit better as the game goes on. Now, in your reply to meatpudding, why is that -any- different than Teemu's post on me? Neither are particularly strong and assume a lot of stuff. Teemu assumes that we're all figuring things out as we go, and it's town to realize that, and meatpudding guesses the motivation behind someone pressuring him on day 1. So what's the difference?
+ Show Spoiler +On June 22 2014 01:49 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:52 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:On June 21 2014 23:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:09 meatpudding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote:
Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes.
I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e.
I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though).
My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar.
I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Since you're wondering, it was a direct response to this post. I usually browse custom maps but don't often post there. What was a direct response to that post? This post was a response to Templar: On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course. Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town? TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. So I didn't specifically call you out. Apparently I got a reaction anyway, which is good, considering I just said I only pinged you out. I don't feel like TheKingOfCats is trying to lynch you at all, and I'm not sure how I should read your defensiveness about that (new player/mafia being pushed). He did give a fence read on you though. Like, It's obvious that we should lynch people who don't contribute at all. He's someone I'm going to keep my eye on. Please explain to me how i gave a fence read on meatpudding when i didn't give a read on him at all. Hehe, you didn't at all, in fact you even said there was no read on him yet specifically (A null read according to some guy). You did say that (obviously) we should lynch meatpudding if he's not contributing. (Not sure why you even bother to say it, it's like a universal truth in these games).
+ Show Spoiler +On June 22 2014 02:00 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 01:49 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:52 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:On June 21 2014 23:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:09 meatpudding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote:
Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes.
I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e.
I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though).
My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar.
I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Since you're wondering, it was a direct response to this post. I usually browse custom maps but don't often post there. What was a direct response to that post? This post was a response to Templar: On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course. Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town? TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. So I didn't specifically call you out. Apparently I got a reaction anyway, which is good, considering I just said I only pinged you out. I don't feel like TheKingOfCats is trying to lynch you at all, and I'm not sure how I should read your defensiveness about that (new player/mafia being pushed). He did give a fence read on you though. Like, It's obvious that we should lynch people who don't contribute at all. He's someone I'm going to keep my eye on. Please explain to me how i gave a fence read on meatpudding when i didn't give a read on him at all. Will do. Show nested quote +
It's too early for me to have any reads. Seeing as this is Meatpudding's first game i don't think his post was alignment indicative but if he doesn't contribute anything he'll be a good lynch regardless of his alignment.
Saying his post wasn't alignment indicative is still giving a read on him. You're evaluating his post and coming to a null conclusion. Also, I don't feel like you said much in general in the two lines of text that you wrote, since stating that people who don't contribute are good lynches is A) very obvious B) continuing to talk about Meatpudding in a null manner. I would say it's not a read because you can't read into it. Looking at it again, I do agree that Cat's post was a little too passive. Probably because he's not contributing much, as he said he wouldn't.
+ Show Spoiler +Now, I see a few people saying that meatpudding is scummy. Not seeing it personally. He only has two significant posts: On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:09 meatpudding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote:
Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes.
I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e.
I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though).
My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar.
I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Since you're wondering, it was a direct response to this post. I usually browse custom maps but don't often post there. What was a direct response to that post? This post was a response to Templar: Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course. Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town? TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. On June 22 2014 00:14 meatpudding wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:59 Hobbitus wrote:On June 21 2014 23:51 HaruRH wrote:On June 21 2014 23:44 Hobbitus wrote:On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:
But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course.
Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town?
TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. That seems like too obvious a play to me? I could see one or the other being scum but not both. Uh, do you really think this is a play? No, that's my point. Meatpudding is saying that's a play, but I don't think so. IF it is though, I think it'd be more likely that one is town and one is scum than both being scum. Would like to hear your thoughts as well. Do you have any reasoning to think that either would be scum? Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 22:59 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 22:53 The_Templar wrote:On June 21 2014 22:48 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 20:57 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 20:48 HaruRH wrote:On June 21 2014 20:41 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Hello people, i have a stupid username. I've been playing mafia on OMGUS (TL's evil twin that's locked in the basement and fed a bucket of fish heads every night) since last october. Between then and now i was somehow voted season 2 best town so if my play is terrible it's pretty much a certainty that i'm scum. Yea your scum play is horrible, to the extent of nearly being modkilled. I hope you aren't going to afk :/ I should be more active this game because i actually know how to play town. I was quiet in my last game because i have no idea what i'm doing as scum. How was i nearly modkilled in that game? How DO you play town? Let's talk! Do you read into tone perhaps? Who do you like/dislike? There's this guy named Teemursu who's taking things really seriously at the beginning of day 1. In all seriousness, no reads for me yet as we've just introduced each other. Meatpudding's joke seemed a bit… random, (trying to get things friendly between everyone perhaps?) but I don't think it really means anything. Yeah, I'm probably the most serious person you'll meet on this forum. I actually kinda like this read. Feels like it's coming from a towny perspective. We -are- all new here and some are playing for the first time, and your read has that ring to it. This post specifically makes me wonder. If Teemu is scum then I would say Templar is as well. Yeah, it's an obvious play, but if it's not a play then is there any reason to suspect either of them? All he's done is point out that Teemu agreed with my intentions (which apparently means we're both mafia), and that he was slightly pressured by Cats. This is in two posts. The Cats part is pretty straightforward and I covered it earlier in this post, so I'll focus on the pointing out of Teemu quickly siding with me. The first day is very slow compared to video mafia. Teemu is a video mafia player in general, which means he might be used to taking a side quickly and seeing how things develop (which they do at a blistering pace) (I don't know him very well, these are assumptions). I'm not particularly familiar with that side of mafia (although I play the sc2 mod, I really just lurk in the shadows and attack suspicious people), but I would assume that this is fairly normal. I did see a post that mentioned that Teemu's style is different than that, so I don't really know- perhaps he's trying to adapt but only being partially successful? I'm not really suspicious of either meatpudding or Teemu yet. If someone that knows him well explains his style to me, I'll try to see if he's playing weirdly, but someone else will be a better judge of that. This part of the post started with meatpudding and ended in Teemu. I think that the two are connected somehow, but this could be completely baseless.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 22 2014 05:46 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 02:21 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 22 2014 02:14 Teemursu wrote:On June 22 2014 02:07 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 22 2014 01:53 Teemursu wrote:On June 22 2014 01:39 NydusHerMain wrote:
As someone who plays with you a lot in video mafia, I feel like this is not a typical read of yours. Seems a bit forced, and I hope that it's a reaction test. If it is, I'd like you to explain what you got from it.
Why does it seem forced? I'm not reaction testing him. I did get a towny feel from what he said in the brackets.
I don't think scum align themselves so quickly. The read seems a bit weak but I don't necessarily think it comes from scum. Your read on TheKingOfCats seems to come from a towny perspective. Not sure what to think of you yet but leaning town.
I don't really hear you giving town/scum perspective reads either. I didn't necessarily read his defensiveness caused by TheKingOfCats's null read to come from a towny perspective. Could you specifically explain that read? When I play with you in video mafia, your town reads come from hearing people give several reads, and deciding on whether or not you like their logic. Seeing you give a quick town read for something very small that I personally don't see as being particularly alignment indicative is very weird from you. Perhaps your playstyle is different on forum mafia but if this were video mafia, you'd be quick to drop into my scum list. Having played with me before, you should know that my town and scum reads come from small things that people do or say whereas your reads come from a bigger picture. Reading the posts again, I realize that TheKingOfCats didn't even give a null read, rather, he gave no read at all. Meatpudding's defensiveness actually does seem scummy. I am getting names mixed up and should read more carefully. Personally, I feel like I'm expressing things here that I don't normally bother saying in video. I agree with you getting town reads from small things, but I rarely hear you explain reads by saying from which alignment/perspective players are telling their reads. In either case, we should evaluate each other based on this game alone. Discussing how our play might differ from different form of mafia is probably not going to give us much. In any case, what's your read on TheKingOfCats? My read on TheKingOfCats so far is that he is potential scum with MeatPudding. On June 21 2014 23:17 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:51 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 22:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:46 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. I don't like this. What don't you like about it? The joke felt forced. Admitting to lurking and not at least saying you'll have more reads later on in the day rings scummy to me. Anyway, I just wanted to ping someone out. Do you have any early reads? It's too early for me to have any reads. Seeing as this is Meatpudding's first game i don't think his post was alignment indicative but if he doesn't contribute anything he'll be a good lynch regardless of his alignment. On June 22 2014 01:49 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:52 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:On June 21 2014 23:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:09 meatpudding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote:
Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes.
I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e.
I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though).
My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar.
I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Since you're wondering, it was a direct response to this post. I usually browse custom maps but don't often post there. What was a direct response to that post? This post was a response to Templar: On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course. Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town? TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. So I didn't specifically call you out. Apparently I got a reaction anyway, which is good, considering I just said I only pinged you out. I don't feel like TheKingOfCats is trying to lynch you at all, and I'm not sure how I should read your defensiveness about that (new player/mafia being pushed). He did give a fence read on you though. Like, It's obvious that we should lynch people who don't contribute at all. He's someone I'm going to keep my eye on. Please explain to me how i gave a fence read on meatpudding when i didn't give a read on him at all. I find it weird that TheKingOfCats' first reaction is to question Teemu on a supposed "null read" when I feel like MeatPudding saying that TheKingOfCats is trying to lynch him (pretty much saying that TheKingOfCats has a scum read on him) is a much scummier thing. I didn't really see his post as scummy just poorly worded, plus people had already jumped on it so i didn't need to ask him myself. It does look a bit odd, though. Meatpudding seems to have reacted, a lot, to your post. Definitely more than you were intending considering you were trying to be passive about it. Why? Well, he could be scum. I don't know his skill level but his responses actually made it look like (to the rest of the town) that you were pressuring him, and I guess that could translate to being mafia. Not sure.
My reads so far: (also TLDR) -Suspecting Nydus because he's got multiple standards on whether seeing something from a towny perspective is ok. -No idea on meatpudding, so Null read for now and I'll change it later. I think it will be resolved by the end of the day. -Cats is more involved than I thought he would be. But he's not doing anything in particular. Asking for more than he has. -Teemu agrees with me and "thinks I'm town", which I always appreciate, but he "thinks I'm town". He could be a town, or a mafia trying to make both of us or just me look mafia. Again, completely ambiguous and I'm not sure. I have come to two conclusions: -Cats is my best guess at this point for scum. -I'm not nearly as good as I thought I was. This has already gotten too complicated for simple analysis. I pointed out that we should lynch meatpudding if he doesn't contribute regardless of his alignment because it's a newbie game and i wasn't sure how obvious that would be to new players plus it generates a talking point. Yes, meatpudding's post was slightly odd but this is his first game so i would expect him to post some things aren't quite right. I give new players a bit more leeway than people that know what they're doing.
The only talking point it really generates is how captain obvious that was, unfortunately. Sure, it could help new players, but it's otherwise sort of silly/redundant to say.
I say this mostly because new players tend to read guides, which emphasize talking and putting useful content in posts, moving forwards, a lot. It's not a personal attack or anything.
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On June 22 2014 08:15 Lord Tolkien wrote:There really isn't much to say right now. All I can say is that Teemursu is my only solid read for me atm (as town). While Nydus has played with him before and says this behavior is alignment-null, he's instigating the scumhunting that town sorely needs early D1. As a result, I would peg him as town (or at least, a non-viable D1 lynch). That being said, I don't agree with any of the early lynch candidates thus far (as in, I don't have a strong enough read on any of them currently), and would rather lynch a lurker at this point in time. That includes scott, because his post was pretty much a non-response. Of Cats or meatpudding, if I had to choose a D1 lynch atm, I'd vote meatpudding solely based on thread contribution. Show nested quote +
-Teemu agrees with me and "thinks I'm town", which I always appreciate, but he "thinks I'm town". He could be a town, or a mafia trying to make both of us or just me look mafia. Again, completely ambiguous and I'm not sure.
My general impression of mafia players in my limited experience is that they work to distance themselves as much as possible. I personally do not read too much into it atm; without a flip it's speculation.
Personally, I don't know about Teemu, partly because I don't know about video mafia. I'm going to research this further. Scum-hunting isn't essential on day 1; I think it's more of a developing point in the game but that's just my two cents.
I don't like Scott's posts very much.
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On June 22 2014 08:58 NydusHerMain wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 22 2014 08:20 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 08:15 Lord Tolkien wrote:There really isn't much to say right now. All I can say is that Teemursu is my only solid read for me atm (as town). While Nydus has played with him before and says this behavior is alignment-null, he's instigating the scumhunting that town sorely needs early D1. As a result, I would peg him as town (or at least, a non-viable D1 lynch). That being said, I don't agree with any of the early lynch candidates thus far (as in, I don't have a strong enough read on any of them currently), and would rather lynch a lurker at this point in time. That includes scott, because his post was pretty much a non-response. Of Cats or meatpudding, if I had to choose a D1 lynch atm, I'd vote meatpudding solely based on thread contribution.
-Teemu agrees with me and "thinks I'm town", which I always appreciate, but he "thinks I'm town". He could be a town, or a mafia trying to make both of us or just me look mafia. Again, completely ambiguous and I'm not sure.
My general impression of mafia players in my limited experience is that they work to distance themselves as much as possible. I personally do not read too much into it atm; without a flip it's speculation. Personally, I don't know about Teemu, partly because I don't know about video mafia. I'm going to research this further. Scum-hunting isn't essential on day 1; I think it's more of a developing point in the game but that's just my two cents. I don't like Scott's posts very much. I'd like you to imagine that Teemu had absolutely no experience in video mafia prior to this forum game. I say this because I feel like you're holding back on reading him because of two possible reasons. One, you're used to active day 1 scum hunting as being a mafia tell but I'm telling you that it's not. Two, you're scum trying to give multiple null reads in order to keep your options open in the future.
I'm not trying to hold back (definitely not day 1 scum hunting) and I'm not suspicious of teemu. I'm just being cautious about his play style- I don't want to see his posts in the wrong way.
And, to be honest, I didn't really look at his posts very thoroughly. I just had some feelings about them and moved on to stuff I thought was more interesting.
I'll try to look at him as a non-video player in the future if it helps.
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Yeah, I feel much better about voting scott than Cats, as Cats will probably contribute (although I have no idea how much, I thought he wasn't going to much today).
##Vote: scott31337
Please format properly, Lord Tolkien
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yeah scott, as much as I love hearing good things about me, there are a dozen other players to talk about...
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On June 22 2014 11:14 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 08:15 Lord Tolkien wrote:There really isn't much to say right now. All I can say is that Teemursu is my only solid read for me atm (as town). While Nydus has played with him before and says this behavior is alignment-null, he's instigating the scumhunting that town sorely needs early D1. As a result, I would peg him as town (or at least, a non-viable D1 lynch). That being said, I don't agree with any of the early lynch candidates thus far (as in, I don't have a strong enough read on any of them currently), and would rather lynch a lurker at this point in time. That includes scott, because his post was pretty much a non-response. Of Cats or meatpudding, if I had to choose a D1 lynch atm, I'd vote meatpudding solely based on thread contribution.
-Teemu agrees with me and "thinks I'm town", which I always appreciate, but he "thinks I'm town". He could be a town, or a mafia trying to make both of us or just me look mafia. Again, completely ambiguous and I'm not sure.
My general impression of mafia players in my limited experience is that they work to distance themselves as much as possible. I personally do not read too much into it atm; without a flip it's speculation. Lord tolkien, this is the wrong way to approach forum mafia. In forum mafia, you lynch for scum ONLY, not for information/clearing lurkers/usefulness to town. We usually clear lurkers with cops and people useful to town will die quick to mafia anyway. I have a feeling you knew this. Coupled with how you wanted to go with meatpudding but went with scott just for a wagon, you're playing really scummy. ##Vote: lord tolkien
You don't think scott is scum? Why not?
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On June 22 2014 11:29 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 11:14 HaruRH wrote:On June 22 2014 08:15 Lord Tolkien wrote:There really isn't much to say right now. All I can say is that Teemursu is my only solid read for me atm (as town). While Nydus has played with him before and says this behavior is alignment-null, he's instigating the scumhunting that town sorely needs early D1. As a result, I would peg him as town (or at least, a non-viable D1 lynch). That being said, I don't agree with any of the early lynch candidates thus far (as in, I don't have a strong enough read on any of them currently), and would rather lynch a lurker at this point in time. That includes scott, because his post was pretty much a non-response. Of Cats or meatpudding, if I had to choose a D1 lynch atm, I'd vote meatpudding solely based on thread contribution.
-Teemu agrees with me and "thinks I'm town", which I always appreciate, but he "thinks I'm town". He could be a town, or a mafia trying to make both of us or just me look mafia. Again, completely ambiguous and I'm not sure.
My general impression of mafia players in my limited experience is that they work to distance themselves as much as possible. I personally do not read too much into it atm; without a flip it's speculation. Lord tolkien, this is the wrong way to approach forum mafia. In forum mafia, you lynch for scum ONLY, not for information/clearing lurkers/usefulness to town. We usually clear lurkers with cops and people useful to town will die quick to mafia anyway. I have a feeling you knew this. Coupled with how you wanted to go with meatpudding but went with scott just for a wagon, you're playing really scummy. ##Vote: lord tolkien You don't think scott is scum? Why not?
Edit: I didn't read Tolkien's post entirely. He says that he'd rather lynch a lurker… which, since there is no solid scum read day 1, is acceptable. Note he also went for scott instead of someone that didn't post (pointless response is worse than no response in this case)… which is why I think tolkien thinks he could easily be scum.
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On June 22 2014 11:40 HaruRH wrote:
Jwz? Epishade? Glowingbear?
By his logic of lynching lurkers based on town contribution, it is infinitely better to post something over nothing. I felt that tolkien voted for convenience, which is usually a scumtell.
I usually do not scumhunt d1 but tolkien. .. oh boy.
Why would you lynch those 3? They have done nothing suspicious yet, while scott has.
Scott may be a convenience for Tolkien, explaining his sudden appearance and lynch vote. It is more likely that you haven't read most of Tolkien's posts.
On June 22 2014 08:27 Lord Tolkien wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 08:20 The_Templar wrote:On June 22 2014 08:15 Lord Tolkien wrote:There really isn't much to say right now. All I can say is that Teemursu is my only solid read for me atm (as town). While Nydus has played with him before and says this behavior is alignment-null, he's instigating the scumhunting that town sorely needs early D1. As a result, I would peg him as town (or at least, a non-viable D1 lynch). That being said, I don't agree with any of the early lynch candidates thus far (as in, I don't have a strong enough read on any of them currently), and would rather lynch a lurker at this point in time. That includes scott, because his post was pretty much a non-response. Of Cats or meatpudding, if I had to choose a D1 lynch atm, I'd vote meatpudding solely based on thread contribution.
-Teemu agrees with me and "thinks I'm town", which I always appreciate, but he "thinks I'm town". He could be a town, or a mafia trying to make both of us or just me look mafia. Again, completely ambiguous and I'm not sure.
My general impression of mafia players in my limited experience is that they work to distance themselves as much as possible. I personally do not read too much into it atm; without a flip it's speculation. Personally, I don't know about Teemu, partly because I don't know about video mafia. I'm going to research this further. Scum-hunting isn't essential on day 1; I think it's more of a developing point in the game but that's just my two cents. I don't like Scott's posts very much. Teemu has however been the main driver of the conversation. More (relevant) posts=good for town. It's my initial impression from someone who hasn't played with him, but he's as solid of a read as I have currently. Scott's post about modkilling (just saw that) continues the trend of non-contribution, yes.
On June 22 2014 09:27 Lord Tolkien wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 08:58 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 22 2014 08:15 Lord Tolkien wrote:There really isn't much to say right now. All I can say is that Teemursu is my only solid read for me atm (as town). While Nydus has played with him before and says this behavior is alignment-null, he's instigating the scumhunting that town sorely needs early D1. As a result, I would peg him as town (or at least, a non-viable D1 lynch).That being said, I don't agree with any of the early lynch candidates thus far (as in, I don't have a strong enough read on any of them currently), and would rather lynch a lurker at this point in time. That includes scott, because his post was pretty much a non-response. Of Cats or meatpudding, if I had to choose a D1 lynch atm, I'd vote meatpudding solely based on thread contribution.
-Teemu agrees with me and "thinks I'm town", which I always appreciate, but he "thinks I'm town". He could be a town, or a mafia trying to make both of us or just me look mafia. Again, completely ambiguous and I'm not sure.
My general impression of mafia players in my limited experience is that they work to distance themselves as much as possible. I personally do not read too much into it atm; without a flip it's speculation. Not only that but Teemu agrees with me on TheKingOfCats. Although I agree with people that we should vote a lurker, considering the large number of lurkers and the fact that it's a newbie game, I don't think being a lurker is necessarily indicative of scum. On the other game, I do see people trying to contribute and looking scum whilst doing it. I'd rather vote on someone who I think is the scummiest than RNG a vote and potentially hit a cop. It isn't and I agree; however it is indicative to how useful they'll be to contributing to town, and I'd rather get a lurker lynch out of the way now in a newbie game, than later. If someone actively posts, it's easier to judge alignment, and gives town something to go with. If I am convinced of a player's scumminess I'll vote for him, but at present I don't feel enough of it atm. I do agree with you broadly, just I'd rather get a serious non-contributor out of the way, and a lurker lynch policy for a newbie game is decent incentive for newbie townies to NOT lurk, and post (which is the only way we can judge people: no/little/non-informative posts=bad for town). If people don't post they'll get mod-killed anyways, but still, low-info posts don't help town. At this point, based on current posts, I'd vote on Scott. No opinions on anyone excepting pointing out that we had lurkers, and the rest are just sheeple nods. Hasn't added anything to the thread, just posts to make himself appear active.
Cut some unimportant parts of the last post out. He explained pretty thoroughly why he's doing what he's doing. Yeah, it's important to post something over nothing, but Scott hasn't actually posted anything.
Scott's 'important' posts:
+ Show Spoiler +On June 22 2014 04:30 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:55 The_Templar wrote:On June 21 2014 23:54 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 21 2014 22:48 Solar424 wrote:
Hello. I am new to TL, and this is the first time playing Mafia online, bu I know the rules. Feeling a bit rushed, spelling error, no details, I think you are scum Do you often talk And make all of your scum reads In haiku format? That could get very annoying very quickly. I like the haiku posting, I can see where it would get annoying quickly though, maybe to change the subject? On June 22 2014 07:16 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 05:50 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 22 2014 04:30 scott31337 wrote:On June 21 2014 23:55 The_Templar wrote:On June 21 2014 23:54 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 21 2014 22:48 Solar424 wrote:
Hello. I am new to TL, and this is the first time playing Mafia online, bu I know the rules. Feeling a bit rushed, spelling error, no details, I think you are scum Do you often talk And make all of your scum reads In haiku format? That could get very annoying very quickly. I like the haiku posting, I can see where it would get annoying quickly though, maybe to change the subject? ... Do you have any thoughts on anyone else? Me, teemursu and meatpudding perhaps? So far, I really do not - and we got too many non-posters still as well. Being talkative often is a sign of misdirection, but not always. I have a couple small hints of where I'm going, Templar a little townie - Thinking there's over five people who haven't even posted, they could all be scum - and there's too many quiet ends. On June 22 2014 08:05 scott31337 wrote:
Arguments are always good for stirring up the pot right?
Great point on mafia getting modkilled. On June 22 2014 09:49 scott31337 wrote:
Interesting bandwagon to start with - I'm often more passive and observant then talking a lot out of my ass - It's just how I am in real life.
The reason I personally see Templar as town so far is his reads on the others, and for his informative reads, someone we wouldn't out just yet.
Looks like I need to read more and get more experience, to be honest.
"I like this and I agree with you"
"I have no leads. Being talkative can be bad. Templar seems town, anyone who hasn't posted might be scum."
"Arguments are good, I like a point you made."
"Interesting that you vote me. I still think Templar is town so far. I need to do more."
And… he hasn't done any more. That will continue, whether he's mafia or town, most likely; therefore, he's pretty useless.
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On June 22 2014 12:47 Teemursu wrote:
##Vote Meatpudding
Not sure about formatting?
this formatting should be fine, but it's
[b]##Vote: meatpudding[/b]
Personally I don't agree completely with the vote, as I've expressed, but I'm going to bed now. See you all later.
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On June 22 2014 12:46 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 12:05 meatpudding wrote:
I'm not going to jump on any wagons yet. My vote will be up within 8 hours from now, which will be the end of the day for me. Until then, see if any more lurkers post. I'm not definitely sure if any posters are genuine town either. Anyone could be anomaly at this point.
@Teemu, what is your read on Templar, now that he has posted more? I'll quickly read his filter whenever I die/during nightphase in video mafia. I'll get back to you soon.
Don't rush, we have 24 hours. >.>
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On June 22 2014 12:49 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 12:46 Teemursu wrote:On June 22 2014 12:05 meatpudding wrote:
I'm not going to jump on any wagons yet. My vote will be up within 8 hours from now, which will be the end of the day for me. Until then, see if any more lurkers post. I'm not definitely sure if any posters are genuine town either. Anyone could be anomaly at this point.
@Teemu, what is your read on Templar, now that he has posted more? I'll quickly read his filter whenever I die/during nightphase in video mafia. I'll get back to you soon. Don't rush, we have 24 hours. >.>
edit: by this, I mean actually read it, don't skim it. Not really necessary to skim since we have so much time.
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On June 22 2014 14:42 Epishade wrote:
Just from the looks of it, Templar seems to me to be townie so far. He's been posting a lot and replying to a lot of posts directed at him. Generally, too, when I think things to myself, and other people agree with what I'm currently thinking, I place those people in my town pile. I put Templar in there for his suspicion against Teemursu, which I had as well. Though he ultimately decided to vote on Scott, which I also believe to be a justified vote thus far. Sure, I guess a mafia could have done either just as well, so I generally don't put a lot of faith into day 1 reads. Just, so far, he's most townie to me right now.
I would like him to answer one thing I saw him post that seemed a little weird to me.
@Templar, what did you mean with these sentences about Teemursu? What was the "But he thinks I'm town." clause supposed to contradict?
He said that I gave off a towny vibe, but it could have been scum trying to make me look scum. It was very early in the game to be thinking anyone was town or scum, so it was sort of weird.
However:
On June 22 2014 16:07 Teemursu wrote:Right when I ask for real-time interaction, two people start posting. I'm happy.
I like this though. He is trying to get us all playing.
On June 22 2014 17:49 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
THE_TEMPLAR:
I don't like how he links his mafia play filter. IMO its pretty scummy people who do it. ITs like guys this is how i play mafia, don't worry i can't possibly change my play and fool you guys. THE_Templar and one other posted their filters, which seemed pretty scummy.
I read Scott's posts and didn't really see any reason to vote on him. However its forum mafia, so voting 20 hours before deadline isn't that big of a deal as you can always switch. Don't mind him pressuring scott either.
When did I link my filter?  I posted two posts from my previous game which basically said that I spent a lot of time playing mafia. Tolkien did link filters… even though you could find his last game in his post history. (In fact, I just did that.) Anyway, the game was over a year ago.
On June 22 2014 19:09 scott31337 wrote:
Okay, I've had a bit to think about this, and want to post my feelings as best I can.
(The_Templar)
I mostly agree with this - and also since he is showing the most information in my opinion - he may be lynched by mafia - and since he may be thinking Cats -
If Cats gets lynched - Templar will go at night
If Meat get lynched - Templar may go as well
If Templar does not go at night - a slight scum read
Still suspect Templar town
Hope that helps how I feel with my townie friends!
I only have a slight scum read on Cats, which is not particularly strong at all, and I specifically said I don't have a read on meat yet in that post. I don't see why I'd be a good n1 kill in those scenarios, especially considering there are people that are also doing their best and reading just like I am.
I think you might be setting up something against me later. There will be at least 10 people alive day 2 if nobody gets modkilled, so why are you in this mindset of "The_Templar will probably either die or look scum by day 2"?
The post is a very big analysis post in general though, and you're clearly putting in effort, so:
##Unvote
Please unvote yourself and keep your head in the game. Also, I'd rather not waste a lynch when you can just ask to be replaced.
On June 22 2014 20:58 meatpudding wrote:
Not very sure how to vote. I could read players that are defensive as scum.
##Vote: HaruRH
Haru is not really pushing town agenda. Asking vague questions, not pushing anyone in particular. Calling out when Hobbitus contradicts herself, does not seem like a good read to me.
I'm still leaning towards Teemu as scum. Teemu and Templar have played before, maybe that is why they are acting familiar, but it seems like Teemu's reads are off.
Cats is asking lots of questions, I am leaning town here.
On Templar, I think only his one long post gives much info. I think he plays town, but could be trying to give false info.
Tolkien seems noncommittal, then starts a bandwagon. Not sure here.
Hobbitus not posting much but looks like town trying to get some early reads.
That's all I have for now.
Haru called out Tolkien as being scummy and voted him. He also pushed Hobbitus earlier, so he's definitely looking for scum. Maybe not as much as you would like, but certainly more than you…
I've never played with Teemu. Wtf?
If you think my long post is the only informative post I've made, you should read my filter again. Sure, none of my other posts have thorough analysis, but a lot of my other posts explain why I'm doing what I'm doing… particularly these, and I save my analysis for the big posts.
Why exactly does Hobbitus look like town? Just because she's looking for stuff doesn't really mean anything, and all she's actually said is that Teemu and I were probably not both scum making a play so early in the game.
(This is not a jab at Hobbitus because she seems to be making a longer post right now)
Starting to look suspicious to me. I'll wait for you to redeem yourself, but I'm on the edge of voting you now.
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There's 10 hours left and I might as well do this now.
##Vote: meatpudding
Seems to be making stuff up/being inconsistent. Throwing out random accusations doesn't make you a scum hunter.
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On June 23 2014 04:39 GlowingBear wrote:
Hey guys! Late as always.
As I said before, I've joined TL forums just to play Mafia, and this is my first time playing it.
I've been busy yesterday so I couldn't play but I've read all the posts twice.
I have leaning reads on NaruRH and TheKingOfCats. NaruRH seems to contribute a lot asking the right questions and confronting suspicious reads. I like his playstyle and I my read on him is leaning townie.
TheKingOfCats, in other way, looks a bit scummy for me since the beginning. He has a suspicious way of introducing himself while saying that he was considered best town twice. It seems like he was trying to set up an "atmosphere" so when he starts to reveal his reads on possible scummys people might think he is doing it right, as he was considered best town anywhere else and, so, he might be town again this time. Kind of a scummy way to blend in town. It is confirmed by questions he made after, which, in my opinion, leads to no conclusion, although it convinced The_Templar that he was contributing to town agenda.
I have no reads on meatpudding. He was acting a little suspicious from time to time but not enough to give me good reads.
I would like to hear your opinions on my reads so I can decide my voting, specially NaruRH.
I said that Cats was my best guess for scum a while ago, before Scott started posting blank posts and meatpudding started becoming very paranoid. He hasn't done anything to change my opinion completely, but it is slightly lessened due to his last post.
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On June 23 2014 05:47 HaruRH wrote:
Templar (slightly town)
Reads were similar to what I feel early on. Yet to see what his reads now are though.
Working on it. I am a bit distracted by MLG but I'll get it up well before the deadline.
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On June 23 2014 06:39 Lord Tolkien wrote:Templar: On the flip side, Templar has in his most recent posts pushed himself towards a town lean for me. I was watching him closely after he decided to voice concern and bandwagon onto Scott immediately after I did both the aforementioned things first, but his recent posts have largely been town for me. I rank him lower than Haru as town for me atm. wat game was over half a year ago? pls clarify 4 me A mafia game I played in TL+, if this question is directed at me
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God damn it.
Edit:
[QUOTE]On June 23 2014 06:51 The_Templar wrote:
[QUOTE]On June 23 2014 06:39 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Templar: On the flip side, Templar has in his most recent posts pushed himself towards a town lean for me. I was watching him closely after he decided to voice concern and bandwagon onto Scott immediately after I did both the aforementioned things first, but his recent posts have largely been town for me. I rank him lower than Haru as town for me atm.
[quote]Anyway, the game was over a year ago.[/quote]
wat game was over half a year ago? pls clarify 4 me
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A mafia game I played in TL+, if this question is directed at me
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Ok whoops, post has been corrected
On June 23 2014 06:39 Lord Tolkien wrote:Templar: On the flip side, Templar has in his most recent posts pushed himself towards a town lean for me. I was watching him closely after he decided to voice concern and bandwagon onto Scott immediately after I did both the aforementioned things first, but his recent posts have largely been town for me. I rank him lower than Haru as town for me atm. wat game was over half a year ago? pls clarify 4 me
A mafia game I played in TL+, if this question is directed at me
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On June 23 2014 03:57 Hobbitus wrote:
Might as well do this systematically:
Good idea.
Lord Tolkien: Town | + Show Spoiler +His opinion seems a bit divided at some points, but otherwise he's pretty solid right now. On June 22 2014 08:15 Lord Tolkien wrote:There really isn't much to say right now. All I can say is that Teemursu is my only solid read for me atm (as town). While Nydus has played with him before and says this behavior is alignment-null, he's instigating the scumhunting that town sorely needs early D1. As a result, I would peg him as town (or at least, a non-viable D1 lynch). That being said, I don't agree with any of the early lynch candidates thus far (as in, I don't have a strong enough read on any of them currently), and would rather lynch a lurker at this point in time. That includes scott, because his post was pretty much a non-response. Of Cats or meatpudding, if I had to choose a D1 lynch atm, I'd vote meatpudding solely based on thread contribution. Show nested quote +
-Teemu agrees with me and "thinks I'm town", which I always appreciate, but he "thinks I'm town". He could be a town, or a mafia trying to make both of us or just me look mafia. Again, completely ambiguous and I'm not sure.
My general impression of mafia players in my limited experience is that they work to distance themselves as much as possible. I personally do not read too much into it atm; without a flip it's speculation. A reasonable start for him. He clearly states that he thinks mafias distance themselves more than town. He then follows this up by reading the most active player in the game thus far (Teemu) as town, due to his contributions. His lynching pattern is pretty similar, starting off at least. He wants to get rid of lurkers who don't contribute at all. He did, however, ignore the people that weren't really contributing at all, simply saying he doesn't agree. Why did he ignore those who posted empty posts? Who knows? That's a small point, not really indicative though, and he follows up with pretty much more of the same: On June 22 2014 09:27 Lord Tolkien wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 08:58 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 22 2014 08:15 Lord Tolkien wrote:There really isn't much to say right now. All I can say is that Teemursu is my only solid read for me atm (as town). While Nydus has played with him before and says this behavior is alignment-null, he's instigating the scumhunting that town sorely needs early D1. As a result, I would peg him as town (or at least, a non-viable D1 lynch).That being said, I don't agree with any of the early lynch candidates thus far (as in, I don't have a strong enough read on any of them currently), and would rather lynch a lurker at this point in time. That includes scott, because his post was pretty much a non-response. Of Cats or meatpudding, if I had to choose a D1 lynch atm, I'd vote meatpudding solely based on thread contribution.
-Teemu agrees with me and "thinks I'm town", which I always appreciate, but he "thinks I'm town". He could be a town, or a mafia trying to make both of us or just me look mafia. Again, completely ambiguous and I'm not sure.
My general impression of mafia players in my limited experience is that they work to distance themselves as much as possible. I personally do not read too much into it atm; without a flip it's speculation. Not only that but Teemu agrees with me on TheKingOfCats. Although I agree with people that we should vote a lurker, considering the large number of lurkers and the fact that it's a newbie game, I don't think being a lurker is necessarily indicative of scum. On the other game, I do see people trying to contribute and looking scum whilst doing it. I'd rather vote on someone who I think is the scummiest than RNG a vote and potentially hit a cop. It isn't and I agree; however it is indicative to how useful they'll be to contributing to town, and I'd rather get a lurker lynch out of the way now in a newbie game, than later. If someone actively posts, it's easier to judge alignment, and gives town something to go with. If I am convinced of a player's scumminess I'll vote for him, but at present I don't feel enough of it atm. As for the possibility of hitting a lurking blue role or whatever, it is a risk, however if you are a blue role in forum mafia, the correct play for blues is generally to play like you would a vanilla townie. There's no reason to treat a blue role as anything outside of a (very nice) bonus; you're still playing town. All lurking does is make you suspicious, either to town or to scum. Don't do it guys. I do agree with you broadly, just I'd rather get a serious non-contributor out of the way, and a lurker lynch policy for a newbie game is decent incentive for newbie townies to NOT lurk, and post (which is the only way we can judge people: no/little/non-informative posts=bad for town). If people don't post they'll get mod-killed anyways, but still, low-info posts don't help town. AKA: POST GAIZ, AND CONTRIBUTE Show nested quote + On the other game, I do see people trying to contribute and looking scum whilst doing it. That's how my D1 the past 2 newbie mafias went for me hah. Which reminds me. If anyone needs it, http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/445959-newbie-mini-mafia-liv?user=Lord Tolkienhttp://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/441178-newbie-mini-mafia-lii?user=Lord TolkienThe filters for my previous forum mafia games, which is mostly the sum of my mafia experience (minus a couple DC/MD/VA meetup mafia games). For your conveniences. I aim to improve my D1 play anyways, but it should give you a general idea how I play. At this point, based on current posts, I'd vote on Scott. No opinions on anyone excepting pointing out that we had lurkers, and the rest are just sheeple nods. Hasn't added anything to the thread, just posts to make himself appear active. Besides basically summarizing a guide on how to play as a town, he reminds us to post and post dammit. He then posted some filters, which seem to be mostly very angry posts based on what I've seen, and finally decided he would vote scott because he hadn't done anything with the few posts he made (this is OK, but he doesn't mention anyone else who barely contributed). He then unvoted Scott because he contributed. Basically, I think he's townish because he's very consistent and clear about how he's playing this game. I don't see any deception at all in his posts.
Jabberwockzerg: Slightly Scum | + Show Spoiler +On June 22 2014 14:01 jabberwockzerg wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 04:33 scott31337 wrote:
Edit: I'll give a longer introduction - This is my first mafia game on TL - and I wanted to give it a shot - I've bee on TL for a bit over a year, and usually post in the tech support or elsewhere.
Scott, do you have any experience in any mafia games elsewhere? Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 08:15 Lord Tolkien wrote:There really isn't much to say right now. All I can say is that Teemursu is my only solid read for me atm (as town). While Nydus has played with him before and says this behavior is alignment-null, he's instigating the scumhunting that town sorely needs early D1. As a result, I would peg him as town (or at least, a non-viable D1 lynch). That being said, I don't agree with any of the early lynch candidates thus far (as in, I don't have a strong enough read on any of them currently), and would rather lynch a lurker at this point in time. That includes scott, because his post was pretty much a non-response. Of Cats or meatpudding, if I had to choose a D1 lynch atm, I'd vote meatpudding solely based on thread contribution.
-Teemu agrees with me and "thinks I'm town", which I always appreciate, but he "thinks I'm town". He could be a town, or a mafia trying to make both of us or just me look mafia. Again, completely ambiguous and I'm not sure.
My general impression of mafia players in my limited experience is that they work to distance themselves as much as possible. I personally do not read too much into it atm; without a flip it's speculation. Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 09:30 Lord Tolkien wrote:
In fact, let's get some bandwagons going right now.
#vote Scott31337 Tolkien, why the switch from meatpudding to scott? Literally just two questions. On June 22 2014 14:37 jabberwockzerg wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 14:35 Lord Tolkien wrote:On June 22 2014 14:01 jabberwockzerg wrote:On June 22 2014 04:33 scott31337 wrote:
Edit: I'll give a longer introduction - This is my first mafia game on TL - and I wanted to give it a shot - I've bee on TL for a bit over a year, and usually post in the tech support or elsewhere.
Scott, do you have any experience in any mafia games elsewhere? On June 22 2014 08:15 Lord Tolkien wrote:There really isn't much to say right now. All I can say is that Teemursu is my only solid read for me atm (as town). While Nydus has played with him before and says this behavior is alignment-null, he's instigating the scumhunting that town sorely needs early D1. As a result, I would peg him as town (or at least, a non-viable D1 lynch). That being said, I don't agree with any of the early lynch candidates thus far (as in, I don't have a strong enough read on any of them currently), and would rather lynch a lurker at this point in time. That includes scott, because his post was pretty much a non-response. Of Cats or meatpudding, if I had to choose a D1 lynch atm, I'd vote meatpudding solely based on thread contribution.
-Teemu agrees with me and "thinks I'm town", which I always appreciate, but he "thinks I'm town". He could be a town, or a mafia trying to make both of us or just me look mafia. Again, completely ambiguous and I'm not sure.
My general impression of mafia players in my limited experience is that they work to distance themselves as much as possible. I personally do not read too much into it atm; without a flip it's speculation. On June 22 2014 09:30 Lord Tolkien wrote:
In fact, let's get some bandwagons going right now.
#vote Scott31337 Tolkien, why the switch from meatpudding to scott? I answered it below. On June 22 2014 12:16 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Templar did actually explain my reasoning for starting the bandwagon on Scott, but to clarify a point: I wrote specifically that meatpudding was my, at the time, preferential bandwagon due to contribution (aka fairly minimal; he asked a person for their opinions and that's it); I noted I did not have any solid scum reads. After seeing Scott's next post (just a random agreement post, does nothing for town), I mulled it over and revised my opinion on who I would prefer to lynch first. tl;dr I changed my mind on Scott's next post (the irrelevant agreement with Templar) which I didn't see earlier before I posted. Okay, thanks, goodnight friend "Thanks for answering my question. I have no followup to my interrogation." On June 22 2014 14:59 jabberwockzerg wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 14:39 Teemursu wrote:On June 22 2014 14:37 jabberwockzerg wrote:On June 22 2014 14:35 Lord Tolkien wrote:On June 22 2014 14:01 jabberwockzerg wrote:On June 22 2014 04:33 scott31337 wrote:
Edit: I'll give a longer introduction - This is my first mafia game on TL - and I wanted to give it a shot - I've bee on TL for a bit over a year, and usually post in the tech support or elsewhere.
Scott, do you have any experience in any mafia games elsewhere? On June 22 2014 08:15 Lord Tolkien wrote:There really isn't much to say right now. All I can say is that Teemursu is my only solid read for me atm (as town). While Nydus has played with him before and says this behavior is alignment-null, he's instigating the scumhunting that town sorely needs early D1. As a result, I would peg him as town (or at least, a non-viable D1 lynch). That being said, I don't agree with any of the early lynch candidates thus far (as in, I don't have a strong enough read on any of them currently), and would rather lynch a lurker at this point in time. That includes scott, because his post was pretty much a non-response. Of Cats or meatpudding, if I had to choose a D1 lynch atm, I'd vote meatpudding solely based on thread contribution.
-Teemu agrees with me and "thinks I'm town", which I always appreciate, but he "thinks I'm town". He could be a town, or a mafia trying to make both of us or just me look mafia. Again, completely ambiguous and I'm not sure.
My general impression of mafia players in my limited experience is that they work to distance themselves as much as possible. I personally do not read too much into it atm; without a flip it's speculation. On June 22 2014 09:30 Lord Tolkien wrote:
In fact, let's get some bandwagons going right now.
#vote Scott31337 Tolkien, why the switch from meatpudding to scott? I answered it below. On June 22 2014 12:16 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Templar did actually explain my reasoning for starting the bandwagon on Scott, but to clarify a point: I wrote specifically that meatpudding was my, at the time, preferential bandwagon due to contribution (aka fairly minimal; he asked a person for their opinions and that's it); I noted I did not have any solid scum reads. After seeing Scott's next post (just a random agreement post, does nothing for town), I mulled it over and revised my opinion on who I would prefer to lynch first. tl;dr I changed my mind on Scott's next post (the irrelevant agreement with Templar) which I didn't see earlier before I posted. Okay, thanks, goodnight friend Hi, jabber, what do you think of Meatpudding and Cats? Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 12:05 meatpudding wrote:
I'm not going to jump on any wagons yet. My vote will be up within 8 hours from now, which will be the end of the day for me. Until then, see if any more lurkers post. I'm not definitely sure if any posters are genuine town either. Anyone could be anomaly at this point.
@Teemu, what is your read on Templar, now that he has posted more? I really like this post. A scum, especially a newbie scum, would try to jump on a wagon, and he's asking direct questions, which is always nice. Cats is asking a lot of questions, which he included in his little how to guide to play town. I also like how he hasn't jumped on a wagon. "I like Cats and Meatpudding because they are also asking a lot of questions and doing very little otherwise, just like me." Well, at least his plan is pretty clear so far. On June 22 2014 16:03 jabberwockzerg wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 15:45 Teemursu wrote:On June 22 2014 15:42 jabberwockzerg wrote:On June 22 2014 15:42 Teemursu wrote:On June 22 2014 15:41 Teemursu wrote:
Haru, could you give your case on Lord Tolkien if you think he's scum?? EDIT: Minus one question mark. It's way less frantic now : ) Hey, jabber, you're in the thread with me, cool! Let's talk. What's your read on Scott? Scott just seems totally lost tbh. Nothing he has said is really scummy. He could definitely put in more work for the town, but that just comes from inexperience. New Scum players tend to go overboard or post almost nothing, which isn't what he's doing. Anything you want to say about him? Well… ok. His post on Scott is acceptable, but he mentions that new scums can post almost nothing, which is exactly what Scott had done up to this point, yet he says he's not scummy. This is the most analytical post he's made so far, unfortunately. On June 22 2014 16:20 jabberwockzerg wrote:
yeah, pudding's a townlean
I'd be most comfortable with a tolkien vote, but I want him to read my post about scott and react to it, defend his wagon.
I'll agree with a fence on KittyCats, he's asking questions, but I'm noticing a lack of content. He says stuff, but never really follows it up. Not decisive at all, and, as Hobbitus has pointed out, has switched over to the meatpudding wagon. This doesn't mean too much yet, as he could be not taking day 1 very seriously, but if he doesn't step it up he's almost certainly scum.
HaruRH: On the fence | + Show Spoiler +He laughed at me because of Scarlett so I instinctively dislike him. Looking past that, though, he immediately claims that Cats is a great town player and terrible mafia player, saying that he hopes that Cats doesn't go AFK. Not sure why, considering that would mean he's mafia and we have a mafia down. Maybe I'm overthinking it but it just seems a bit too friendly. It could be the anti-scarlett bias talking. He suddenly jumps in as soon as someone talks about an interaction between me and Teemu being a play. He wasn't involved at all but forces himself into the middle of the argument. Here's one of his more important posts so far: On June 22 2014 00:41 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 00:14 Hobbitus wrote:On June 22 2014 00:01 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 23:59 Hobbitus wrote:On June 21 2014 23:51 HaruRH wrote:On June 21 2014 23:44 Hobbitus wrote:On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:
But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course.
Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town?
TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. That seems like too obvious a play to me? I could see one or the other being scum but not both. Uh, do you really think this is a play? No, that's my point. Meatpudding is saying that's a play, but I don't think so. IF it is though, I think it'd be more likely that one is town and one is scum than both being scum. If you don't think it's a play, do you have a specific reasoning for that? Who do you think is the town/scum? Well like I said, it seems very obvious/early for a play? One "hey I think you're towny" post does not a scumteam make. It's more like you're sniffing out reads to me. That being said, if it is a play I'd say you're more likely than Templar to be scum just because you do have such polarized reactions to people. Now, you're raising flags here. I don't want to spoil your mood but once the day goes into full gear, you will only see one-sided polarised arguments filled with tunnel vision of each other. Also, by calling out the 'play', and yet saying you think it's too obvious/early for plays you're contradicting yourself. + Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 23:44 Hobbitus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:On June 21 2014 23:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:09 meatpudding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote:
Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes.
I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e.
I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though).
My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar.
I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Since you're wondering, it was a direct response to this post. I usually browse custom maps but don't often post there. What was a direct response to that post? This post was a response to Templar: On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course. Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town?TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. That seems like too obvious a play to me? I could see one or the other being scum but not both. Even though Hobbitus confirms that she meant that she didn't think it was a play, Haru keeps pushing, insisting that she was contradicting herself when she wasn't really. After Hobbitus manages to clarify herself, he pulls out, claiming that she should have been talking to Teemu. Why put yourself in the conversation then? Literally his next post (besides asking hosts a question) is an attempt to squash Lord Tolkien. On June 22 2014 11:14 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 08:15 Lord Tolkien wrote:There really isn't much to say right now. All I can say is that Teemursu is my only solid read for me atm (as town). While Nydus has played with him before and says this behavior is alignment-null, he's instigating the scumhunting that town sorely needs early D1. As a result, I would peg him as town (or at least, a non-viable D1 lynch). That being said, I don't agree with any of the early lynch candidates thus far (as in, I don't have a strong enough read on any of them currently), and would rather lynch a lurker at this point in time. That includes scott, because his post was pretty much a non-response. Of Cats or meatpudding, if I had to choose a D1 lynch atm, I'd vote meatpudding solely based on thread contribution.
-Teemu agrees with me and "thinks I'm town", which I always appreciate, but he "thinks I'm town". He could be a town, or a mafia trying to make both of us or just me look mafia. Again, completely ambiguous and I'm not sure.
My general impression of mafia players in my limited experience is that they work to distance themselves as much as possible. I personally do not read too much into it atm; without a flip it's speculation. Lord tolkien, this is the wrong way to approach forum mafia. In forum mafia, you lynch for scum ONLY, not for information/clearing lurkers/usefulness to town. We usually clear lurkers with cops and people useful to town will die quick to mafia anyway. I have a feeling you knew this. Coupled with how you wanted to go with meatpudding but went with scott just for a wagon, you're playing really scummy. ##Vote: lord tolkien The bright spark in this post is that he clearly wants to lynch mafia, or pretend it. Unfortunately, he doesn't seem to be thoroughly reading this thread, because Tolkien clearly revealed his intentions before this post. HOWEVER, he made this post: On June 22 2014 21:39 HaruRH wrote:In fact, meatpudding's vote on me is very questionable. 1) Contradicts himselfLet's take a look at his reason to vote for me. + Show Spoiler +On June 22 2014 20:58 meatpudding wrote:
Not very sure how to vote. I could read players that are defensive as scum.
##Vote: HaruRH
Haru is not really pushing town agenda. Asking vague questions, not pushing anyone in particular. Calling out when Hobbitus contradicts herself, does not seem like a good read to me.
I'm still leaning towards Teemu as scum. Teemu and Templar have played before, maybe that is why they are acting familiar, but it seems like Teemu's reads are off.
Cats is asking lots of questions, I am leaning town here.
On Templar, I think only his one long post gives much info. I think he plays town, but could be trying to give false info.
Tolkien seems noncommittal, then starts a bandwagon. Not sure here.
Hobbitus not posting much but looks like town trying to get some early reads.
That's all I have for now. TL'DR Asking vaque questions, not pushing anyone. By looking at what he has posted, all his questions were very vague and he never follows up on the questions. Also, he is pushing even less than me (He only stated he find teemu/Templar suspicious). If he is scum, he is currently finding suspicion on as many people as possible so that it will look less suspicious of him to jump wagons when the situation arises. 2) Does not stick to his readsHe initially read Templar and teemu as potential scum. Then, he votes me based on a 2 liner 'push' that can be applied to half the players here. This is similar to the point where I mention that he could be trying to jump wagons later on without getting suspected of doing so - he can freely jump between voting me, Templar and teemu. This is very indicative of scum since he as explained by himself. This is more than enough for a d1 vote for me. ##Unvote
##Vote: Meatpudding Haru is pretty solid in this post, surprisingly, as he notes meatpudding's inconsistency in his reads, although he's slightly exaggerating the number of people meatpudding is accusing. So, he seems to have improved a bit since the start of the game. He's also been helpful by linking most of the major posts so far this day. Possibly a zealous mafia, possibly an initially misguided/incorrect town.
TheKingOfTheCats: Slightly Scum | + Show Spoiler +After I made my scum read on him, he replied that he wasn't sure how obvious what he was saying was. That's acceptable. But then he just asks everyone questions… On June 22 2014 08:09 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 08:05 scott31337 wrote:
Arguments are always good for stirring up the pot right?
Great point on mafia getting modkilled. Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 07:30 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 22 2014 07:16 scott31337 wrote:On June 22 2014 05:50 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 22 2014 04:30 scott31337 wrote:On June 21 2014 23:55 The_Templar wrote:On June 21 2014 23:54 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 21 2014 22:48 Solar424 wrote:
Hello. I am new to TL, and this is the first time playing Mafia online, bu I know the rules. Feeling a bit rushed, spelling error, no details, I think you are scum Do you often talk And make all of your scum reads In haiku format? That could get very annoying very quickly. I like the haiku posting, I can see where it would get annoying quickly though, maybe to change the subject? ... Do you have any thoughts on anyone else? Me, teemursu and meatpudding perhaps? So far, I really do not - and we got too many non-posters still as well. Being talkative often is a sign of misdirection, but not always. I have a couple small hints of where I'm going, Templar a little townie - Thinking there's over five people who haven't even posted, they could all be scum - and there's too many quiet ends. Teemu has said he's likely to vote me or meatpudding today, he's given reasons why he's likely to vote for one of us today. What do you think of his reasons? And why are you leaning town on Templar? On June 22 2014 21:48 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 17:49 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
yoyoyoyo whats up guys!
im the mystery of the meat! i know quite a few people here, teemu and nydus from vid mafia, epishade my self-proclaimed pretend to be best friend, and templar from blogs and stuff. Just from reading throug the last couple of pages
current reads:
THE_TEMPLAR:
he likes my blogs which is a pretty big plus one
I don't like how he links his mafia play filter. IMO its pretty scummy people who do it. ITs like guys this is how i play mafia, don't worry i can't possibly change my play and fool you guys. THE_Templar and one other posted their filters, which seemed pretty scummy.
I read Scott's posts and didn't really see any reason to vote on him. However its forum mafia, so voting 20 hours before deadline isn't that big of a deal as you can always switch. Don't mind him pressuring scott either.
King of the cats:
I honestly really don't like him, seems super scummy, in one of his arguments on lynching, he mentions that he doesn't care about alignment. If you can push a mislynch day1, then you can kill a stronger player in the night. Top scum at the moment.
Hobbitus:
Mentions its his first game. Considering this is a newbie game, makes sense that he would post it. However i don't really like that he posted that. He also blows stuff up. all in all, don't like his post buts its not enough to give a solid read on. leaning town.
Teemu:
excels at finding scum day1, perfectly alright with pinging people out. Also votes can change, at this point i feel like votes are just to pressure people. And in my experience, votes made closer to deadline mean a whole lot more.
meatpudding:
leaning town, didn't jump on any bandwagons, however its self-proclaimed which i don't really like.
Nydus:
seems pretty town, he's making reads, and he was a bit trolly at the begining with the haikus but switched into serious mode.
Every one else, just from a quick read through didn't stand out too much, or i forgot to post about them.
for now though, i'll vote on cat, as i think he's pretty scummy.
##VOTE: TheKingOfCats Why an i "super scummy" for doing that when Lord Tolkien isn't for doing exactly the same thing? Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 09:27 Lord Tolkien wrote:On June 22 2014 08:58 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 22 2014 08:15 Lord Tolkien wrote:There really isn't much to say right now. All I can say is that Teemursu is my only solid read for me atm (as town). While Nydus has played with him before and says this behavior is alignment-null, he's instigating the scumhunting that town sorely needs early D1. As a result, I would peg him as town (or at least, a non-viable D1 lynch).That being said, I don't agree with any of the early lynch candidates thus far (as in, I don't have a strong enough read on any of them currently), and would rather lynch a lurker at this point in time. That includes scott, because his post was pretty much a non-response. Of Cats or meatpudding, if I had to choose a D1 lynch atm, I'd vote meatpudding solely based on thread contribution.
-Teemu agrees with me and "thinks I'm town", which I always appreciate, but he "thinks I'm town". He could be a town, or a mafia trying to make both of us or just me look mafia. Again, completely ambiguous and I'm not sure.
My general impression of mafia players in my limited experience is that they work to distance themselves as much as possible. I personally do not read too much into it atm; without a flip it's speculation. Not only that but Teemu agrees with me on TheKingOfCats. Although I agree with people that we should vote a lurker, considering the large number of lurkers and the fact that it's a newbie game, I don't think being a lurker is necessarily indicative of scum. On the other game, I do see people trying to contribute and looking scum whilst doing it. I'd rather vote on someone who I think is the scummiest than RNG a vote and potentially hit a cop. It isn't and I agree; however it is indicative to how useful they'll be to contributing to town, and I'd rather get a lurker lynch out of the way now in a newbie game, than later. If someone actively posts, it's easier to judge alignment, and gives town something to go with. If I am convinced of a player's scumminess I'll vote for him, but at present I don't feel enough of it atm. As for the possibility of hitting a lurking blue role or whatever, it is a risk, however if you are a blue role in forum mafia, the correct play for blues is generally to play like you would a vanilla townie. There's no reason to treat a blue role as anything outside of a (very nice) bonus; you're still playing town. All lurking does is make you suspicious, either to town or to scum. Don't do it guys. I do agree with you broadly, just I'd rather get a serious non-contributor out of the way, and a lurker lynch policy for a newbie game is decent incentive for newbie townies to NOT lurk, and post (which is the only way we can judge people: no/little/non-informative posts=bad for town). If people don't post they'll get mod-killed anyways, but still, low-info posts don't help town. AKA: POST GAIZ, AND CONTRIBUTE On the other game, I do see people trying to contribute and looking scum whilst doing it. That's how my D1 the past 2 newbie mafias went for me hah. Which reminds me. If anyone needs it, http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/445959-newbie-mini-mafia-liv?user=Lord Tolkienhttp://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/441178-newbie-mini-mafia-lii?user=Lord TolkienThe filters for my previous forum mafia games, which is mostly the sum of my mafia experience (minus a couple DC/MD/VA meetup mafia games). For your conveniences. I aim to improve my D1 play anyways, but it should give you a general idea how I play. At this point, based on current posts, I'd vote on Scott. No opinions on anyone excepting pointing out that we had lurkers, and the rest are just sheeple nods. Hasn't added anything to the thread, just posts to make himself appear active. Why didn't you mention him at all when he said that he didn't mind a potential D1 mislynch of someone that wouldn't be contributing as well? On June 22 2014 22:08 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 19:09 scott31337 wrote:Okay, I've had a bit to think about this, and want to post my feelings as best I can. Jabberwockzerg- On June 22 2014 16:20 jabberwockzerg wrote:
yeah, pudding's a townlean
I'd be most comfortable with a tolkien vote, but I want him to read my post about scott and react to it, defend his wagon.
I'll agree with a fence on KittyCats, he's asking questions, but I'm noticing a lack of content. My instinct tells me an inexperienced person trying to back his Mafia, and reading the mafia chat too much at the moment - and maybe defending too early - not enough to say honestly. Can you point to any posts of jabber's that lead you to think he's trying to "back his mafia, and reading the mafia chat too much" or is it just a baseless gut feeling? Also, have you played mafia before or is this your first game? These are decent questions, but there's no followup anywhere. My opinion hasn't changed because of this. On June 22 2014 22:25 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 22:01 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 22 2014 17:49 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
yoyoyoyo whats up guys!
im the mystery of the meat! i know quite a few people here, teemu and nydus from vid mafia, epishade my self-proclaimed pretend to be best friend, and templar from blogs and stuff. Just from reading throug the last couple of pages
current reads:
THE_TEMPLAR:
he likes my blogs which is a pretty big plus one
I don't like how he links his mafia play filter. IMO its pretty scummy people who do it. ITs like guys this is how i play mafia, don't worry i can't possibly change my play and fool you guys. THE_Templar and one other posted their filters, which seemed pretty scummy.
I read Scott's posts and didn't really see any reason to vote on him. However its forum mafia, so voting 20 hours before deadline isn't that big of a deal as you can always switch. Don't mind him pressuring scott either.
King of the cats:
I honestly really don't like him, seems super scummy, in one of his arguments on lynching, he mentions that he doesn't care about alignment. If you can push a mislynch day1, then you can kill a stronger player in the night. Top scum at the moment.
Hobbitus:
Mentions its his first game. Considering this is a newbie game, makes sense that he would post it. However i don't really like that he posted that. He also blows stuff up. all in all, don't like his post buts its not enough to give a solid read on. leaning town.
Teemu:
excels at finding scum day1, perfectly alright with pinging people out. Also votes can change, at this point i feel like votes are just to pressure people. And in my experience, votes made closer to deadline mean a whole lot more.
meatpudding:
leaning town, didn't jump on any bandwagons, however its self-proclaimed which i don't really like.
Nydus:
seems pretty town, he's making reads, and he was a bit trolly at the begining with the haikus but switched into serious mode.
Every one else, just from a quick read through didn't stand out too much, or i forgot to post about them.
for now though, i'll vote on cat, as i think he's pretty scummy.
##VOTE: TheKingOfCats I would like to know what your actual read on Teemu is. All you've given is a description of what he is like in video mafia. I like the reasoning you gave behind your Templar read, although I am leaning town on him. Overall, I like the reads that you gave, even though I don't necessarily agree with all of them. I am leaning town on you MysteryMeat1. The things he said about Templar were not good points, he's trying to say that something that isn't alignment indicative is scummy. If Templar is scum then his point is valid given enough time but you can't make your scum play match your town play overnight, seeing as he's only played 3 games here and been scum in only 1 of them it's safe to say he doesn't even know how to play scum let alone match his scum play to his town play, and if he's town it would make sense to post filters from previous games so you can see if he's playing like he was in his past town games thus giving people a chance to meta read him. It's not inherently scummy and any attempt to paint it as such is just WIFOM. This is his most recent post as of the time I am writing this. The post is very hard to read; he barely refers to anyone by name so I'm not exactly sure what he's saying...
NydusHerMain: On the fence | + Show Spoiler +On June 22 2014 01:11 NydusHerMain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 01:03 Hobbitus wrote:On June 22 2014 00:41 HaruRH wrote:On June 22 2014 00:14 Hobbitus wrote:On June 22 2014 00:01 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 23:59 Hobbitus wrote:On June 21 2014 23:51 HaruRH wrote:
Uh, do you really think this is a play? No, that's my point. Meatpudding is saying that's a play, but I don't think so. IF it is though, I think it'd be more likely that one is town and one is scum than both being scum. If you don't think it's a play, do you have a specific reasoning for that? Who do you think is the town/scum? Well like I said, it seems very obvious/early for a play? One "hey I think you're towny" post does not a scumteam make. It's more like you're sniffing out reads to me. That being said, if it is a play I'd say you're more likely than Templar to be scum just because you do have such polarized reactions to people. Now, you're raising flags here. I don't want to spoil your mood but once the day goes into full gear, you will only see one-sided polarised arguments filled with tunnel vision of each other. Also, by calling out the 'play', and yet saying you think it's too obvious/early for plays you're contradicting yourself. I know it's going to go into tunnel vision, but I don't think there is enough info out there for that to have happened so far, and yet you have a pretty strong opinion on most people already. To me that suggests a strategy of some kind. What that strategy is, I don't know. To clarify, I don't think you and Templar were buddying up like meatpudding (not I) suggested. The idea of THAT play seems too obvious and early. Reaction testing, he does this in video, neither town nor scum On June 22 2014 01:39 NydusHerMain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 22:59 Teemursu wrote:Yeah, I'm probably the most serious person you'll meet on this forum. I actually kinda like this read. Feels like it's coming from a towny perspective. We -are- all new here and some are playing for the first time, and your read has that ring to it. As someone who plays with you a lot in video mafia, I feel like this is not a typical read of yours. Seems a bit forced, and I hope that it's a reaction test. If it is, I'd like you to explain what you got from it. Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:On June 21 2014 23:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:09 meatpudding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote:
Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes.
I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e.
I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though).
My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar.
I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Since you're wondering, it was a direct response to this post. I usually browse custom maps but don't often post there. What was a direct response to that post? This post was a response to Templar: On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course. Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town?TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. I don't think scum align themselves so quickly. The read seems a bit weak but I don't necessarily think it comes from scum. Your read on TheKingOfCats seems to come from a towny perspective. Not sure what to think of you yet but leaning town. Cool, video mafia helps you determine Teemu's behavior. On June 22 2014 08:58 NydusHerMain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 08:15 Lord Tolkien wrote:There really isn't much to say right now. All I can say is that Teemursu is my only solid read for me atm (as town). While Nydus has played with him before and says this behavior is alignment-null, he's instigating the scumhunting that town sorely needs early D1. As a result, I would peg him as town (or at least, a non-viable D1 lynch).That being said, I don't agree with any of the early lynch candidates thus far (as in, I don't have a strong enough read on any of them currently), and would rather lynch a lurker at this point in time. That includes scott, because his post was pretty much a non-response. Of Cats or meatpudding, if I had to choose a D1 lynch atm, I'd vote meatpudding solely based on thread contribution.
-Teemu agrees with me and "thinks I'm town", which I always appreciate, but he "thinks I'm town". He could be a town, or a mafia trying to make both of us or just me look mafia. Again, completely ambiguous and I'm not sure.
My general impression of mafia players in my limited experience is that they work to distance themselves as much as possible. I personally do not read too much into it atm; without a flip it's speculation. Not only that but Teemu agrees with me on TheKingOfCats. Although I agree with people that we should vote a lurker, considering the large number of lurkers and the fact that it's a newbie game, I don't think being a lurker is necessarily indicative of scum. On the other game, I do see people trying to contribute and looking scum whilst doing it. I'd rather vote on someone who I think is the scummiest than RNG a vote and potentially hit a cop. + Show Spoiler +On June 22 2014 07:39 The_Templar wrote:Responses to recent posts in this thread.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 22 2014 01:24 NydusHerMain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 01:11 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 22 2014 01:03 Hobbitus wrote:On June 22 2014 00:41 HaruRH wrote:On June 22 2014 00:14 Hobbitus wrote:On June 22 2014 00:01 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 23:59 Hobbitus wrote:On June 21 2014 23:51 HaruRH wrote:
Uh, do you really think this is a play? No, that's my point. Meatpudding is saying that's a play, but I don't think so. IF it is though, I think it'd be more likely that one is town and one is scum than both being scum. If you don't think it's a play, do you have a specific reasoning for that? Who do you think is the town/scum? Well like I said, it seems very obvious/early for a play? One "hey I think you're towny" post does not a scumteam make. It's more like you're sniffing out reads to me. That being said, if it is a play I'd say you're more likely than Templar to be scum just because you do have such polarized reactions to people. Now, you're raising flags here. I don't want to spoil your mood but once the day goes into full gear, you will only see one-sided polarised arguments filled with tunnel vision of each other. Also, by calling out the 'play', and yet saying you think it's too obvious/early for plays you're contradicting yourself. I know it's going to go into tunnel vision, but I don't think there is enough info out there for that to have happened so far, and yet you have a pretty strong opinion on most people already. To me that suggests a strategy of some kind. What that strategy is, I don't know. To clarify, I don't think you and Templar were buddying up like meatpudding (not I) suggested. The idea of THAT play seems too obvious and early. Reaction testing, he does this in video, neither town nor scum I'm going to step out of haiku mode for this one because I made an error. I thought this was a conversation between Hobbitus and Teemu. I'm slightly sleep deprived and know Teemu outside of TL Mafia so feel inclined to defend him without having an actual reason to think that he's not scum. Fair enough. Just make sure you're not confusing Teemu and Haru in the future, as that will get confusing really quick. I wonder why Haru jumped in so suddenly but I guess he could do this a lot, not sure yet. I'm watching your posting pattern so that I make sure you're consistent on what you've stated here.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 22 2014 01:39 NydusHerMain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 22:59 Teemursu wrote:Yeah, I'm probably the most serious person you'll meet on this forum. I actually kinda like this read. Feels like it's coming from a towny perspective. We -are- all new here and some are playing for the first time, and your read has that ring to it. As someone who plays with you a lot in video mafia, I feel like this is not a typical read of yours. Seems a bit forced, and I hope that it's a reaction test. If it is, I'd like you to explain what you got from it. Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:On June 21 2014 23:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:09 meatpudding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote:
Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes.
I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e.
I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though).
My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar.
I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Since you're wondering, it was a direct response to this post. I usually browse custom maps but don't often post there. What was a direct response to that post? This post was a response to Templar: On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course. Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town?TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. I don't think scum align themselves so quickly. The read seems a bit weak but I don't necessarily think it comes from scum. Your read on TheKingOfCats seems to come from a towny perspective. Not sure what to think of you yet but leaning town. Keep in mind that people could act differently in forum mafia. More on this later on, I explained it better then and I don't want to duplicate in this post. Personally, in the sc2 mod mafia, I watch people and jump out at them when they're unsure to trip them up, but this doesn't work in forum mafia (I tried in the TL+ game). So, I am going to watch and observe patterns, trying to figure out where everyone's going and what their plan is. I know this part of my post is a bit vague but hopefully I'll be able to show what I mean a bit better as the game goes on. Now, in your reply to meatpudding, why is that -any- different than Teemu's post on me? Neither are particularly strong and assume a lot of stuff. Teemu assumes that we're all figuring things out as we go, and it's town to realize that, and meatpudding guesses the motivation behind someone pressuring him on day 1. So what's the difference?
+ Show Spoiler +On June 22 2014 01:49 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:52 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:On June 21 2014 23:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:09 meatpudding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote:
Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes.
I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e.
I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though).
My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar.
I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Since you're wondering, it was a direct response to this post. I usually browse custom maps but don't often post there. What was a direct response to that post? This post was a response to Templar: On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course. Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town? TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. So I didn't specifically call you out. Apparently I got a reaction anyway, which is good, considering I just said I only pinged you out. I don't feel like TheKingOfCats is trying to lynch you at all, and I'm not sure how I should read your defensiveness about that (new player/mafia being pushed). He did give a fence read on you though. Like, It's obvious that we should lynch people who don't contribute at all. He's someone I'm going to keep my eye on. Please explain to me how i gave a fence read on meatpudding when i didn't give a read on him at all. Hehe, you didn't at all, in fact you even said there was no read on him yet specifically (A null read according to some guy). You did say that (obviously) we should lynch meatpudding if he's not contributing. (Not sure why you even bother to say it, it's like a universal truth in these games).
+ Show Spoiler +On June 22 2014 02:00 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 01:49 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:52 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:On June 21 2014 23:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:09 meatpudding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote:
Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes.
I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e.
I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though).
My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar.
I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Since you're wondering, it was a direct response to this post. I usually browse custom maps but don't often post there. What was a direct response to that post? This post was a response to Templar: On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course. Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town? TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. So I didn't specifically call you out. Apparently I got a reaction anyway, which is good, considering I just said I only pinged you out. I don't feel like TheKingOfCats is trying to lynch you at all, and I'm not sure how I should read your defensiveness about that (new player/mafia being pushed). He did give a fence read on you though. Like, It's obvious that we should lynch people who don't contribute at all. He's someone I'm going to keep my eye on. Please explain to me how i gave a fence read on meatpudding when i didn't give a read on him at all. Will do. Show nested quote +
It's too early for me to have any reads. Seeing as this is Meatpudding's first game i don't think his post was alignment indicative but if he doesn't contribute anything he'll be a good lynch regardless of his alignment.
Saying his post wasn't alignment indicative is still giving a read on him. You're evaluating his post and coming to a null conclusion. Also, I don't feel like you said much in general in the two lines of text that you wrote, since stating that people who don't contribute are good lynches is A) very obvious B) continuing to talk about Meatpudding in a null manner. I would say it's not a read because you can't read into it. Looking at it again, I do agree that Cat's post was a little too passive. Probably because he's not contributing much, as he said he wouldn't.
+ Show Spoiler +Now, I see a few people saying that meatpudding is scummy. Not seeing it personally. He only has two significant posts: On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:09 meatpudding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote:
Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes.
I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e.
I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though).
My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar.
I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Since you're wondering, it was a direct response to this post. I usually browse custom maps but don't often post there. What was a direct response to that post? This post was a response to Templar: Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course. Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town? TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. On June 22 2014 00:14 meatpudding wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:59 Hobbitus wrote:On June 21 2014 23:51 HaruRH wrote:On June 21 2014 23:44 Hobbitus wrote:On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:
But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course.
Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town?
TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. That seems like too obvious a play to me? I could see one or the other being scum but not both. Uh, do you really think this is a play? No, that's my point. Meatpudding is saying that's a play, but I don't think so. IF it is though, I think it'd be more likely that one is town and one is scum than both being scum. Would like to hear your thoughts as well. Do you have any reasoning to think that either would be scum? Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 22:59 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 22:53 The_Templar wrote:On June 21 2014 22:48 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 20:57 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 20:48 HaruRH wrote:On June 21 2014 20:41 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Hello people, i have a stupid username. I've been playing mafia on OMGUS (TL's evil twin that's locked in the basement and fed a bucket of fish heads every night) since last october. Between then and now i was somehow voted season 2 best town so if my play is terrible it's pretty much a certainty that i'm scum. Yea your scum play is horrible, to the extent of nearly being modkilled. I hope you aren't going to afk :/ I should be more active this game because i actually know how to play town. I was quiet in my last game because i have no idea what i'm doing as scum. How was i nearly modkilled in that game? How DO you play town? Let's talk! Do you read into tone perhaps? Who do you like/dislike? There's this guy named Teemursu who's taking things really seriously at the beginning of day 1. In all seriousness, no reads for me yet as we've just introduced each other. Meatpudding's joke seemed a bit… random, (trying to get things friendly between everyone perhaps?) but I don't think it really means anything. Yeah, I'm probably the most serious person you'll meet on this forum. I actually kinda like this read. Feels like it's coming from a towny perspective. We -are- all new here and some are playing for the first time, and your read has that ring to it. This post specifically makes me wonder. If Teemu is scum then I would say Templar is as well. Yeah, it's an obvious play, but if it's not a play then is there any reason to suspect either of them? All he's done is point out that Teemu agreed with my intentions (which apparently means we're both mafia), and that he was slightly pressured by Cats. This is in two posts. The Cats part is pretty straightforward and I covered it earlier in this post, so I'll focus on the pointing out of Teemu quickly siding with me. The first day is very slow compared to video mafia. Teemu is a video mafia player in general, which means he might be used to taking a side quickly and seeing how things develop (which they do at a blistering pace) (I don't know him very well, these are assumptions). I'm not particularly familiar with that side of mafia (although I play the sc2 mod, I really just lurk in the shadows and attack suspicious people), but I would assume that this is fairly normal. I did see a post that mentioned that Teemu's style is different than that, so I don't really know- perhaps he's trying to adapt but only being partially successful? I'm not really suspicious of either meatpudding or Teemu yet. If someone that knows him well explains his style to me, I'll try to see if he's playing weirdly, but someone else will be a better judge of that. This part of the post started with meatpudding and ended in Teemu. I think that the two are connected somehow, but this could be completely baseless.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 22 2014 05:46 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 02:21 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 22 2014 02:14 Teemursu wrote:On June 22 2014 02:07 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 22 2014 01:53 Teemursu wrote:On June 22 2014 01:39 NydusHerMain wrote:
As someone who plays with you a lot in video mafia, I feel like this is not a typical read of yours. Seems a bit forced, and I hope that it's a reaction test. If it is, I'd like you to explain what you got from it.
Why does it seem forced? I'm not reaction testing him. I did get a towny feel from what he said in the brackets.
I don't think scum align themselves so quickly. The read seems a bit weak but I don't necessarily think it comes from scum. Your read on TheKingOfCats seems to come from a towny perspective. Not sure what to think of you yet but leaning town.
I don't really hear you giving town/scum perspective reads either. I didn't necessarily read his defensiveness caused by TheKingOfCats's null read to come from a towny perspective. Could you specifically explain that read? When I play with you in video mafia, your town reads come from hearing people give several reads, and deciding on whether or not you like their logic. Seeing you give a quick town read for something very small that I personally don't see as being particularly alignment indicative is very weird from you. Perhaps your playstyle is different on forum mafia but if this were video mafia, you'd be quick to drop into my scum list. Having played with me before, you should know that my town and scum reads come from small things that people do or say whereas your reads come from a bigger picture. Reading the posts again, I realize that TheKingOfCats didn't even give a null read, rather, he gave no read at all. Meatpudding's defensiveness actually does seem scummy. I am getting names mixed up and should read more carefully. Personally, I feel like I'm expressing things here that I don't normally bother saying in video. I agree with you getting town reads from small things, but I rarely hear you explain reads by saying from which alignment/perspective players are telling their reads. In either case, we should evaluate each other based on this game alone. Discussing how our play might differ from different form of mafia is probably not going to give us much. In any case, what's your read on TheKingOfCats? My read on TheKingOfCats so far is that he is potential scum with MeatPudding. On June 21 2014 23:17 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:51 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 22:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:46 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. I don't like this. What don't you like about it? The joke felt forced. Admitting to lurking and not at least saying you'll have more reads later on in the day rings scummy to me. Anyway, I just wanted to ping someone out. Do you have any early reads? It's too early for me to have any reads. Seeing as this is Meatpudding's first game i don't think his post was alignment indicative but if he doesn't contribute anything he'll be a good lynch regardless of his alignment. On June 22 2014 01:49 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:52 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:On June 21 2014 23:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:09 meatpudding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote:
Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes.
I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e.
I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though).
My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar.
I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Since you're wondering, it was a direct response to this post. I usually browse custom maps but don't often post there. What was a direct response to that post? This post was a response to Templar: On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course. Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town? TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. So I didn't specifically call you out. Apparently I got a reaction anyway, which is good, considering I just said I only pinged you out. I don't feel like TheKingOfCats is trying to lynch you at all, and I'm not sure how I should read your defensiveness about that (new player/mafia being pushed). He did give a fence read on you though. Like, It's obvious that we should lynch people who don't contribute at all. He's someone I'm going to keep my eye on. Please explain to me how i gave a fence read on meatpudding when i didn't give a read on him at all. I find it weird that TheKingOfCats' first reaction is to question Teemu on a supposed "null read" when I feel like MeatPudding saying that TheKingOfCats is trying to lynch him (pretty much saying that TheKingOfCats has a scum read on him) is a much scummier thing. I didn't really see his post as scummy just poorly worded, plus people had already jumped on it so i didn't need to ask him myself. It does look a bit odd, though. Meatpudding seems to have reacted, a lot, to your post. Definitely more than you were intending considering you were trying to be passive about it. Why? Well, he could be scum. I don't know his skill level but his responses actually made it look like (to the rest of the town) that you were pressuring him, and I guess that could translate to being mafia. Not sure.
My reads so far: (also TLDR) -Suspecting Nydus because he's got multiple standards on whether seeing something from a towny perspective is ok. -No idea on meatpudding, so Null read for now and I'll change it later. I think it will be resolved by the end of the day. -Cats is more involved than I thought he would be. But he's not doing anything in particular. Asking for more than he has. -Teemu agrees with me and "thinks I'm town", which I always appreciate, but he "thinks I'm town". He could be a town, or a mafia trying to make both of us or just me look mafia. Again, completely ambiguous and I'm not sure. I have come to two conclusions: -Cats is my best guess at this point for scum. -I'm not nearly as good as I thought I was. This has already gotten too complicated for simple analysis. On June 22 2014 08:20 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 08:15 Lord Tolkien wrote:There really isn't much to say right now. All I can say is that Teemursu is my only solid read for me atm (as town). While Nydus has played with him before and says this behavior is alignment-null, he's instigating the scumhunting that town sorely needs early D1. As a result, I would peg him as town (or at least, a non-viable D1 lynch). That being said, I don't agree with any of the early lynch candidates thus far (as in, I don't have a strong enough read on any of them currently), and would rather lynch a lurker at this point in time. That includes scott, because his post was pretty much a non-response. Of Cats or meatpudding, if I had to choose a D1 lynch atm, I'd vote meatpudding solely based on thread contribution.
-Teemu agrees with me and "thinks I'm town", which I always appreciate, but he "thinks I'm town". He could be a town, or a mafia trying to make both of us or just me look mafia. Again, completely ambiguous and I'm not sure.
My general impression of mafia players in my limited experience is that they work to distance themselves as much as possible. I personally do not read too much into it atm; without a flip it's speculation. Personally, I don't know about Teemu, partly because I don't know about video mafia. I'm going to research this further. Scum-hunting isn't essential on day 1; I think it's more of a developing point in the game but that's just my two cents. I don't like Scott's posts very much. I'd like you to imagine that Teemu had absolutely no experience in video mafia prior to this forum game. I say this because I feel like you're holding back on reading him because of two possible reasons. One, you're used to active day 1 scum hunting as being a mafia tell but I'm telling you that it's not. Two, you're scum trying to give multiple null reads in order to keep your options open in the future. Woah woah woah, wait, but I can't factor it into my thoughts? Well ok then… if you insist… A lot of what he has posted is relevant to video mafia so there's not much for me to go on. I'll reserve judgement for later.
Solar424: No idea | + Show Spoiler +Did you expect content in this spoiler? Please, even I can't make literally nothing into something.
GlowingBear: No idea | + Show Spoiler +He was pretty late so I guess we'll see where he goes
meatpudding: Scum | + Show Spoiler +I already made a case against him so I'll keep this one short. He's made one post since I voted him: On June 23 2014 05:53 meatpudding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 23 2014 00:10 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 14:42 Epishade wrote:
Just from the looks of it, Templar seems to me to be townie so far. He's been posting a lot and replying to a lot of posts directed at him. Generally, too, when I think things to myself, and other people agree with what I'm currently thinking, I place those people in my town pile. I put Templar in there for his suspicion against Teemursu, which I had as well. Though he ultimately decided to vote on Scott, which I also believe to be a justified vote thus far. Sure, I guess a mafia could have done either just as well, so I generally don't put a lot of faith into day 1 reads. Just, so far, he's most townie to me right now.
I would like him to answer one thing I saw him post that seemed a little weird to me.
@Templar, what did you mean with these sentences about Teemursu? What was the "But he thinks I'm town." clause supposed to contradict?
He said that I gave off a towny vibe, but it could have been scum trying to make me look scum. It was very early in the game to be thinking anyone was town or scum, so it was sort of weird. However: Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 16:07 Teemursu wrote:Right when I ask for real-time interaction, two people start posting. I'm happy. I like this though. He is trying to get us all playing. Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 17:49 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
THE_TEMPLAR:
I don't like how he links his mafia play filter. IMO its pretty scummy people who do it. ITs like guys this is how i play mafia, don't worry i can't possibly change my play and fool you guys. THE_Templar and one other posted their filters, which seemed pretty scummy.
I read Scott's posts and didn't really see any reason to vote on him. However its forum mafia, so voting 20 hours before deadline isn't that big of a deal as you can always switch. Don't mind him pressuring scott either.
When did I link my filter? I posted two posts from my previous game which basically said that I spent a lot of time playing mafia. Tolkien did link filters… even though you could find his last game in his post history. (In fact, I just did that.) Anyway, the game was over a year ago. Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 19:09 scott31337 wrote:
Okay, I've had a bit to think about this, and want to post my feelings as best I can.
(The_Templar)
I mostly agree with this - and also since he is showing the most information in my opinion - he may be lynched by mafia - and since he may be thinking Cats -
If Cats gets lynched - Templar will go at night
If Meat get lynched - Templar may go as well
If Templar does not go at night - a slight scum read
Still suspect Templar town
Hope that helps how I feel with my townie friends!
I only have a slight scum read on Cats, which is not particularly strong at all, and I specifically said I don't have a read on meat yet in that post. I don't see why I'd be a good n1 kill in those scenarios, especially considering there are people that are also doing their best and reading just like I am. I think you might be setting up something against me later. There will be at least 10 people alive day 2 if nobody gets modkilled, so why are you in this mindset of "The_Templar will probably either die or look scum by day 2"? The post is a very big analysis post in general though, and you're clearly putting in effort, so: ##UnvotePlease unvote yourself and keep your head in the game. Also, I'd rather not waste a lynch when you can just ask to be replaced.Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 20:58 meatpudding wrote:
Not very sure how to vote. I could read players that are defensive as scum.
##Vote: HaruRH
Haru is not really pushing town agenda. Asking vague questions, not pushing anyone in particular. Calling out when Hobbitus contradicts herself, does not seem like a good read to me.
I'm still leaning towards Teemu as scum. Teemu and Templar have played before, maybe that is why they are acting familiar, but it seems like Teemu's reads are off.
Cats is asking lots of questions, I am leaning town here.
On Templar, I think only his one long post gives much info. I think he plays town, but could be trying to give false info.
Tolkien seems noncommittal, then starts a bandwagon. Not sure here.
Hobbitus not posting much but looks like town trying to get some early reads.
That's all I have for now. Haru called out Tolkien as being scummy and voted him. He also pushed Hobbitus earlier, so he's definitely looking for scum. Maybe not as much as you would like, but certainly more than you… I've never played with Teemu. Wtf?
If you think my long post is the only informative post I've made, you should read my filter again. Sure, none of my other posts have thorough analysis, but a lot of my other posts explain why I'm doing what I'm doing… particularly these, and I save my analysis for the big posts. Why exactly does Hobbitus look like town? Just because she's looking for stuff doesn't really mean anything, and all she's actually said is that Teemu and I were probably not both scum making a play so early in the game. (This is not a jab at Hobbitus because she seems to be making a longer post right now) Starting to look suspicious to me. I'll wait for you to redeem yourself, but I'm on the edge of voting you now. On June 22 2014 01:39 NydusHerMain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 22:59 Teemursu wrote:Yeah, I'm probably the most serious person you'll meet on this forum. I actually kinda like this read. Feels like it's coming from a towny perspective. We -are- all new here and some are playing for the first time, and your read has that ring to it. As someone who plays with you a lot in video mafia, I feel like this is not a typical read of yours. Seems a bit forced, and I hope that it's a reaction test. If it is, I'd like you to explain what you got from it. Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:On June 21 2014 23:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:09 meatpudding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote:
Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes.
I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e.
I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though).
My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar.
I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Since you're wondering, it was a direct response to this post. I usually browse custom maps but don't often post there. What was a direct response to that post? This post was a response to Templar: On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course. Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town?TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. I don't think scum align themselves so quickly. The read seems a bit weak but I don't necessarily think it comes from scum. Your read on TheKingOfCats seems to come from a towny perspective. Not sure what to think of you yet but leaning town. Templar, my mistake. I was confusing you with something that Nydus said. Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 00:41 HaruRH wrote:On June 22 2014 00:14 Hobbitus wrote:On June 22 2014 00:01 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 23:59 Hobbitus wrote:On June 21 2014 23:51 HaruRH wrote:On June 21 2014 23:44 Hobbitus wrote:On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:
But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course.
Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town?
TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. That seems like too obvious a play to me? I could see one or the other being scum but not both. Uh, do you really think this is a play? No, that's my point. Meatpudding is saying that's a play, but I don't think so. IF it is though, I think it'd be more likely that one is town and one is scum than both being scum. If you don't think it's a play, do you have a specific reasoning for that? Who do you think is the town/scum? Well like I said, it seems very obvious/early for a play? One "hey I think you're towny" post does not a scumteam make. It's more like you're sniffing out reads to me. That being said, if it is a play I'd say you're more likely than Templar to be scum just because you do have such polarized reactions to people. Now, you're raising flags here. I don't want to spoil your mood but once the day goes into full gear, you will only see one-sided polarised arguments filled with tunnel vision of each other. Also, by calling out the 'play', and yet saying you think it's too obvious/early for plays you're contradicting yourself. + Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 23:44 Hobbitus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:On June 21 2014 23:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:09 meatpudding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote:
Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes.
I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e.
I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though).
My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar.
I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Since you're wondering, it was a direct response to this post. I usually browse custom maps but don't often post there. What was a direct response to that post? This post was a response to Templar: On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course. Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town?TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. That seems like too obvious a play to me? I could see one or the other being scum but not both. I don't have a strong case against Haruhi. But this post seems to be contradicting what he said about not scum hunting on D1. I went with my vote for this and because besides from this he is not being too direct. I'm trying to avoid a mislynch and if you think Haru is not worthy to lynch don't vote. On being paranoid of Teemu, he has been on my case since I introduced myself and hasn't let up one bit. He is pushing the lynch wagon hardest as well. Teemu strongest scum lean for me but I am not proposing a lynch because he posts a lot and might lead to more info and contradictions in the future. Teemu, Templar and Haru are leaning scum for me, but sure the case is weak. That's all for now. If I'm back before closing I can make another post. Teemu did the following as an interaction with you: -Said he didn't like that you lurked -Discussed keeping an eye on Cats -Voted you after deciding between you and Cats, because Cats contributed more. -You start pushing Teemu pretty hard and he tells you of the complexity and amount of time in the game -You admit suspecting him because he sided with me so early. -He makes a serious case on you. Both of your reasons for attacking each other seem sort of superficial. It could be staged but if it was, it would just have backfired. Alternatively, one or both of you could be town (I think Teemu is more likely, see my explanation later). I interacted with you in the following ways: -I call your The_Lurker joke random -I said I had no idea about your role -I decide you are less worthy of a lynch than Scott -I say that I don't agree with a vote on you. At this point you have done literally zero concerning me, besides making and justifying a 'cute' joke about my name. -You make a fishy post, I jump on you and eventually vote you. -You suddenly saying I'm scummy. What am I supposed to think now? You basically only did anything with me because I voted you, so this looks like a knee-jerk reaction to make me look scum when I'm not. Haru: -You ask his opinion on Teemu, and he responds. -You two call each other scum and vote each other, although neither seem very justified. -He confirms his scum opinion by talking about your methods, which are weird.
Hobbitus: Slightly town | + Show Spoiler +She was a bit random at first, voting a lurker (before the game of course ) and sided with me before saying that one of me and Teemu might be scummy because he sided with me (not the other way around). I don't see how him siding with me might make just me scum but whatever. However, she did admit it was more likely that Teemu was scum. After all the mess with people accusing Teemu and me and people saying that it meant nothing because he said I seemed town, she didn't really do anything until a fairly large analysis post. I'll admit I'm a sucker for analysis posts, but it did seem like she put quite a bit of effort into it. She then pushed Jabber for a while, before changing the subject a bit and talking about the meatpudding/teemu/haru triangle. She seems town to me mostly because of the analysis post and her ability to actually focus on multiple things. Nothing she's done has really stood out to me.
Teemursu: No idea | + Show Spoiler +He smiles a lot in this thread.
In order to not make this by far the worst of my reads, I'll offer some actual analysis.
Teemu is sort of mystifying for me. He seems town by asking for reads from practically everyone and pushing whenever possible, whereas I've never seen a mafia be that aggressive, but he hasn't offered any real analysis of his own except for when he had already voted meatpudding. So, what is he doing? Perhaps he's not used to analysis based on video mafia? (Not likely, I was able to analyze on my first mafia game).
I don't really have much on him right now and I've spent literally 4 hours on this post, so I'm going to move on for now.
Epishade: Town | + Show Spoiler +Epishade is all business in this game. Pretty much all of his posts are analysis posts, which I currently have no problem with, or basically saying "Hello, reading the thread." Otherwise, it's sort of difficult for me to dissect his analysis posts (I'm tired at this point), but I notice he focuses on all the details of people's posts that other people ignore, such as here: On June 22 2014 14:42 Epishade wrote:
@Templar, what did you mean with these sentences about Teemursu? What was the "But he thinks I'm town." clause supposed to contradict?
As for Teemursu, he's got a few posts that make me a little suspicious.
Does anybody else think that this doesn't sound like something that a townie might say? "It's going to be an interesting challenge to try to read you." Maybe I'm being pedantic here, but that sounds like something a mafia would say in an attempt to sound like town. I couldn't see a town saying that, but maybe I'm overthinking it, idk.
He does consider the big picture enough, but stuff like this makes him very valuable to keep around. His reads make sense as well. I don't really have anything bad to say about him right now.
Scott31337: On the fence | + Show Spoiler +He was very scummy with disguised, no-content posts at first, but his analysis post made me change my mind on him. I've already posted a lot on him, so I'm keeping this one as short as the last few. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/450895-newbie-mini-mafia-lvi?page=24#462However, his reasoning in a lot of his reads are sort of odd, particularly the ones on me and HaruRH (quoted a post before the game I think?) so I don't know about the validity of it.
The_Templar: Town | + Show Spoiler +This is the most obvious one I think
MysteryMeat1: Slightly Town | + Show Spoiler +On June 22 2014 17:49 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
yoyoyoyo whats up guys!
im the mystery of the meat! i know quite a few people here, teemu and nydus from vid mafia, epishade my self-proclaimed pretend to be best friend, and templar from blogs and stuff. Just from reading throug the last couple of pages
current reads:
THE_TEMPLAR:
he likes my blogs which is a pretty big plus one
I don't like how he links his mafia play filter. IMO its pretty scummy people who do it. ITs like guys this is how i play mafia, don't worry i can't possibly change my play and fool you guys. THE_Templar and one other posted their filters, which seemed pretty scummy.
I read Scott's posts and didn't really see any reason to vote on him. However its forum mafia, so voting 20 hours before deadline isn't that big of a deal as you can always switch. Don't mind him pressuring scott either.
King of the cats:
I honestly really don't like him, seems super scummy, in one of his arguments on lynching, he mentions that he doesn't care about alignment. If you can push a mislynch day1, then you can kill a stronger player in the night. Top scum at the moment.
Hobbitus:
Mentions its his first game. Considering this is a newbie game, makes sense that he would post it. However i don't really like that he posted that. He also blows stuff up. all in all, don't like his post buts its not enough to give a solid read on. leaning town.
Teemu:
excels at finding scum day1, perfectly alright with pinging people out. Also votes can change, at this point i feel like votes are just to pressure people. And in my experience, votes made closer to deadline mean a whole lot more.
meatpudding:
leaning town, didn't jump on any bandwagons, however its self-proclaimed which i don't really like.
Nydus:
seems pretty town, he's making reads, and he was a bit trolly at the begining with the haikus but switched into serious mode.
Every one else, just from a quick read through didn't stand out too much, or i forgot to post about them.
for now though, i'll vote on cat, as i think he's pretty scummy.
##VOTE: TheKingOfCats This is pretty much his only post. It's a fair analysis post on most of the active players. Honestly, I don't have much to say about any of his analysis, as it's pretty mild for the most part. His scum reads are a little over-reactive though, as he uses a poorly worded post to make Cats his top scum. That's my only problem, I guess we'll see where we go from there overnight and probably next day.
BlondeMocha: Scum | + Show Spoiler +On June 17 2014 21:21 BlondeMocha wrote:/confirm this will be my first game.. looking forward to it. I'm on US Eastern time zone Poor guy. (My scum read on him is not serious by the way)
This post took way too long, and is apparently 43 pages O.o
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On June 23 2014 07:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Also him posting that a non alignment indicative thing is scummy is itself scummy, he's twisting things to suit his own purposes: Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 22:25 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 22 2014 22:01 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 22 2014 17:49 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
yoyoyoyo whats up guys!
im the mystery of the meat! i know quite a few people here, teemu and nydus from vid mafia, epishade my self-proclaimed pretend to be best friend, and templar from blogs and stuff. Just from reading throug the last couple of pages
current reads:
THE_TEMPLAR:
he likes my blogs which is a pretty big plus one
I don't like how he links his mafia play filter. IMO its pretty scummy people who do it. ITs like guys this is how i play mafia, don't worry i can't possibly change my play and fool you guys. THE_Templar and one other posted their filters, which seemed pretty scummy.
I read Scott's posts and didn't really see any reason to vote on him. However its forum mafia, so voting 20 hours before deadline isn't that big of a deal as you can always switch. Don't mind him pressuring scott either.
King of the cats:
I honestly really don't like him, seems super scummy, in one of his arguments on lynching, he mentions that he doesn't care about alignment. If you can push a mislynch day1, then you can kill a stronger player in the night. Top scum at the moment.
Hobbitus:
Mentions its his first game. Considering this is a newbie game, makes sense that he would post it. However i don't really like that he posted that. He also blows stuff up. all in all, don't like his post buts its not enough to give a solid read on. leaning town.
Teemu:
excels at finding scum day1, perfectly alright with pinging people out. Also votes can change, at this point i feel like votes are just to pressure people. And in my experience, votes made closer to deadline mean a whole lot more.
meatpudding:
leaning town, didn't jump on any bandwagons, however its self-proclaimed which i don't really like.
Nydus:
seems pretty town, he's making reads, and he was a bit trolly at the begining with the haikus but switched into serious mode.
Every one else, just from a quick read through didn't stand out too much, or i forgot to post about them.
for now though, i'll vote on cat, as i think he's pretty scummy.
##VOTE: TheKingOfCats I would like to know what your actual read on Teemu is. All you've given is a description of what he is like in video mafia. I like the reasoning you gave behind your Templar read, although I am leaning town on him. Overall, I like the reads that you gave, even though I don't necessarily agree with all of them. I am leaning town on you MysteryMeat1. The things he said about Templar were not good points, he's trying to say that something that isn't alignment indicative is scummy. If Templar is scum then his point is valid given enough time but you can't make your scum play match your town play overnight, seeing as he's only played 3 games here and been scum in only 1 of them it's safe to say he doesn't even know how to play scum let alone match his scum play to his town play, and if he's town it would make sense to post filters from previous games so you can see if he's playing like he was in his past town games thus giving people a chance to meta read him. It's not inherently scummy and any attempt to paint it as such is just WIFOM. Fun fact: I confused Templar with Epishade and he confused Templar with Tolkien but amazingly the point still stands because this is only Tolkien's 3rd game. ##Vote: MysteryMeat1Predit: I'm not entirely sure i like the way this post is worded, feel free to give me shit for it.
I agree his quick scum read on you is sort of sudden and not particularly justified. But he's barely posted since then so maybe he was planning on not doing much for the rest of the day.
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On June 23 2014 08:06 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 07:52 The_Templar wrote:On June 23 2014 07:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Also him posting that a non alignment indicative thing is scummy is itself scummy, he's twisting things to suit his own purposes: On June 22 2014 22:25 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 22 2014 22:01 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 22 2014 17:49 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
yoyoyoyo whats up guys!
im the mystery of the meat! i know quite a few people here, teemu and nydus from vid mafia, epishade my self-proclaimed pretend to be best friend, and templar from blogs and stuff. Just from reading throug the last couple of pages
current reads:
THE_TEMPLAR:
he likes my blogs which is a pretty big plus one
I don't like how he links his mafia play filter. IMO its pretty scummy people who do it. ITs like guys this is how i play mafia, don't worry i can't possibly change my play and fool you guys. THE_Templar and one other posted their filters, which seemed pretty scummy.
I read Scott's posts and didn't really see any reason to vote on him. However its forum mafia, so voting 20 hours before deadline isn't that big of a deal as you can always switch. Don't mind him pressuring scott either.
King of the cats:
I honestly really don't like him, seems super scummy, in one of his arguments on lynching, he mentions that he doesn't care about alignment. If you can push a mislynch day1, then you can kill a stronger player in the night. Top scum at the moment.
Hobbitus:
Mentions its his first game. Considering this is a newbie game, makes sense that he would post it. However i don't really like that he posted that. He also blows stuff up. all in all, don't like his post buts its not enough to give a solid read on. leaning town.
Teemu:
excels at finding scum day1, perfectly alright with pinging people out. Also votes can change, at this point i feel like votes are just to pressure people. And in my experience, votes made closer to deadline mean a whole lot more.
meatpudding:
leaning town, didn't jump on any bandwagons, however its self-proclaimed which i don't really like.
Nydus:
seems pretty town, he's making reads, and he was a bit trolly at the begining with the haikus but switched into serious mode.
Every one else, just from a quick read through didn't stand out too much, or i forgot to post about them.
for now though, i'll vote on cat, as i think he's pretty scummy.
##VOTE: TheKingOfCats I would like to know what your actual read on Teemu is. All you've given is a description of what he is like in video mafia. I like the reasoning you gave behind your Templar read, although I am leaning town on him. Overall, I like the reads that you gave, even though I don't necessarily agree with all of them. I am leaning town on you MysteryMeat1. The things he said about Templar were not good points, he's trying to say that something that isn't alignment indicative is scummy. If Templar is scum then his point is valid given enough time but you can't make your scum play match your town play overnight, seeing as he's only played 3 games here and been scum in only 1 of them it's safe to say he doesn't even know how to play scum let alone match his scum play to his town play, and if he's town it would make sense to post filters from previous games so you can see if he's playing like he was in his past town games thus giving people a chance to meta read him. It's not inherently scummy and any attempt to paint it as such is just WIFOM. Fun fact: I confused Templar with Epishade and he confused Templar with Tolkien but amazingly the point still stands because this is only Tolkien's 3rd game. ##Vote: MysteryMeat1Predit: I'm not entirely sure i like the way this post is worded, feel free to give me shit for it. I agree his quick scum read on you is sort of sudden and not particularly justified. But he's barely posted since then so maybe he was planning on not doing much for the rest of the day. If that was supposed to be a defence of MM it's not a very good one. Him possibly not planning on doing much for the rest of the day is hardly alignment indicative and if anything coming up with a weak reason to join a wagon and fucking off till flip is actually scummy.
Not a defense, I do agree it's sort of weird. I'm trying to guess the thought process behind what he's already done.
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On June 23 2014 08:06 GlowingBear wrote:On Templar's: + Show Spoiler + His reads are kinda confusing for me, actually. He suspects Nydus but doesn't suspect Cats nor meatpudding? Then, after, assumes that his best guess for scum is Cats? It's confusing and I don't agree with it but I have to admit his grounds on Nydus are ok.
Null-read on Templar's for now, I think if he could clarify his assumptions I'd have a better read on him
I have a tendency to take so long on my posts that I change my mind halfway in after inspecting everyone's posting patterns/filters. Occasionally that may lead to a bit of confusion on my end, as I inspect my own post
By the time I was finished with that post, I definitely suspected Cats.
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On June 23 2014 08:56 GlowingBear wrote:
13) Not a strong town vibe for me, I need more "food" from him XD. Null read
What? Did you just say I haven't posted enough? O.o
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On June 23 2014 09:47 Hobbitus wrote:
Wow, I really didn't realize that cats and tolkien acted so similiarly o_0 Hmm
Yeah, that's a really good point that I didn't consider. Tolkien did it a lot better though, I think.
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On June 23 2014 09:48 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 09:47 Hobbitus wrote:
Wow, I really didn't realize that cats and tolkien acted so similiarly o_0 Hmm Yeah, that's a really good point that I didn't consider. Tolkien did it a lot better though, I think.
edit: Tolkien played it a lot better
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Trying to figure what's going on out, I left a bit after I made my large analysis post.
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Also,
On June 23 2014 10:22 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 10:01 Lord Tolkien wrote:
As I said, it's a tough choice. You have to pick which meat you want.
I noted my decision-making process here. The absurd inconsistency is just FAR too big of a warning bell for me.
meatpudding is acceptable I think as well, but I can plausibly think of him far more as just a bad town, what with blatant OMGUSing and ridiculous plays like voting Haru.
MysteryMeat's contribution is him trying to pose as normal town when he hasn't been posting much. My (limited) experience with lurker scum is that they hide until the second half of Day 1 before posting a "reads" list, and giving a vote in the hopes it'll let them off the hook for any suspicion, and voting for a possible bandwagon based on the general feelings in the thread. Let's be real here, NO ONE in this thread thought I was scum until GlowingBear (I believe Haru had already removed his vote at the time), so he figured it'd be best to continue the trend. Cats a safe vote. A bandwagon on meatpudding, but Cats is under suspicion so his vote won't be heavily scruitinized D2 if meatpudding turns up green.
It's just impossible for him not to even MENTION that I pushed for a lynch on a player for being deadweight and being FINE with a mislynch if that happens, if that's why he's so bent on voting Cats. It's just ridiculously impossible, like holy shit. Are you mentioning me in this last paragraph? If so, have in mind that I have stronger reads on cats and meatpudding, although I've already said that I have to re-read cats most recent posts. That said, I think you are overreacting over a solid argument I've brought, and I find it more suspicious. Haru may have taken out his "attacks" on you, but I'll stick to my very solid logic over here. Yet, I'll repeat: I have stronger reads than you.
Your reads are sort of weak actually. Your main analysis post is full of null reads and not particularly informative (except MysteryMeat, Tolkien, and Nydus).
Also:
Because of these, I have a strong scumread on Tolkien He is still forcing this policy by now.
1) I'm also on the fence for Lord_Tolkien. As I said on my reads, i don't like his Lynch all Lurkers policy, it sounds scummy for me. But I couldn't see anything else on him.
You're on the fence about him being extremely scummy? Yeah ok
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On June 23 2014 10:41 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Also jabber: why did you switch from liking Cat's posts to being on the fence with him.
Not to change the subject, but:
On June 23 2014 10:30 The_Templar wrote:Also, Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 10:22 GlowingBear wrote:On June 23 2014 10:01 Lord Tolkien wrote:
As I said, it's a tough choice. You have to pick which meat you want.
I noted my decision-making process here. The absurd inconsistency is just FAR too big of a warning bell for me.
meatpudding is acceptable I think as well, but I can plausibly think of him far more as just a bad town, what with blatant OMGUSing and ridiculous plays like voting Haru.
MysteryMeat's contribution is him trying to pose as normal town when he hasn't been posting much. My (limited) experience with lurker scum is that they hide until the second half of Day 1 before posting a "reads" list, and giving a vote in the hopes it'll let them off the hook for any suspicion, and voting for a possible bandwagon based on the general feelings in the thread. Let's be real here, NO ONE in this thread thought I was scum until GlowingBear (I believe Haru had already removed his vote at the time), so he figured it'd be best to continue the trend. Cats a safe vote. A bandwagon on meatpudding, but Cats is under suspicion so his vote won't be heavily scruitinized D2 if meatpudding turns up green.
It's just impossible for him not to even MENTION that I pushed for a lynch on a player for being deadweight and being FINE with a mislynch if that happens, if that's why he's so bent on voting Cats. It's just ridiculously impossible, like holy shit. Are you mentioning me in this last paragraph? If so, have in mind that I have stronger reads on cats and meatpudding, although I've already said that I have to re-read cats most recent posts. That said, I think you are overreacting over a solid argument I've brought, and I find it more suspicious. Haru may have taken out his "attacks" on you, but I'll stick to my very solid logic over here. Yet, I'll repeat: I have stronger reads than you. Your reads are sort of weak actually. Your main analysis post is full of null reads and not particularly informative (except MysteryMeat, Tolkien, and Nydus). Also: Show nested quote +Because of these, I have a strong scumread on Tolkien He is still forcing this policy by now.
Show nested quote +1) I'm also on the fence for Lord_Tolkien. As I said on my reads, i don't like his Lynch all Lurkers policy, it sounds scummy for me. But I couldn't see anything else on him. You're on the fence about him being extremely scummy? Yeah ok
GlowingBear did something similar to you.
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On June 23 2014 10:47 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 10:30 The_Templar wrote:Also, On June 23 2014 10:22 GlowingBear wrote:On June 23 2014 10:01 Lord Tolkien wrote:
As I said, it's a tough choice. You have to pick which meat you want.
I noted my decision-making process here. The absurd inconsistency is just FAR too big of a warning bell for me.
meatpudding is acceptable I think as well, but I can plausibly think of him far more as just a bad town, what with blatant OMGUSing and ridiculous plays like voting Haru.
MysteryMeat's contribution is him trying to pose as normal town when he hasn't been posting much. My (limited) experience with lurker scum is that they hide until the second half of Day 1 before posting a "reads" list, and giving a vote in the hopes it'll let them off the hook for any suspicion, and voting for a possible bandwagon based on the general feelings in the thread. Let's be real here, NO ONE in this thread thought I was scum until GlowingBear (I believe Haru had already removed his vote at the time), so he figured it'd be best to continue the trend. Cats a safe vote. A bandwagon on meatpudding, but Cats is under suspicion so his vote won't be heavily scruitinized D2 if meatpudding turns up green.
It's just impossible for him not to even MENTION that I pushed for a lynch on a player for being deadweight and being FINE with a mislynch if that happens, if that's why he's so bent on voting Cats. It's just ridiculously impossible, like holy shit. Are you mentioning me in this last paragraph? If so, have in mind that I have stronger reads on cats and meatpudding, although I've already said that I have to re-read cats most recent posts. That said, I think you are overreacting over a solid argument I've brought, and I find it more suspicious. Haru may have taken out his "attacks" on you, but I'll stick to my very solid logic over here. Yet, I'll repeat: I have stronger reads than you. Your reads are sort of weak actually. Your main analysis post is full of null reads and not particularly informative (except MysteryMeat, Tolkien, and Nydus). Also: Because of these, I have a strong scumread on Tolkien He is still forcing this policy by now.
1) I'm also on the fence for Lord_Tolkien. As I said on my reads, i don't like his Lynch all Lurkers policy, it sounds scummy for me. But I couldn't see anything else on him. You're on the fence about him being extremely scummy? Yeah ok Beer may have slaughtered my brain. Anyway, as Tolkien cited the guide article, that makes a weaker scum reading. Have in mind I'm new and I'm using solely my impressions. If you think my reads are weak, that's fine. If its full of null reads, that's because I can't make an impression of what has been told ATM. I only vote for people who impress me, and I made clear it was meatpudding and Cats. (Btw, if I'm being rude at any point, I'm sorry. As I said before, English is my second language and by no means I wish to offend)
Yeah, it's fine, I'm just noting that your reads aren't really decisive at all.
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Wow, is MysteryMeat not defending himself at all right now? Wtf? He even told Scott to fight to the end if he was town...
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Yeah I don't see MysteryMeat being town here.
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On June 23 2014 11:18 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
Templar also declares meatPudding as scum, and says im slightly town. nothing else had been posted by either of us, and he's willing to vote on me. Says there is no way i could be town here and then votes on me. I'd say at least one of the mafia are going to be between tolkien,cats,templar. If we are lucky then two of them would be there. They have been pushing on different people, but never pushed on each other.
My vote was a knee-jerk reaction to your actions initially contradicting your post about scott and was also a pressure post, shifting the majority from pudding back to you.
I didn't mean to say that you could not possibly be town, but not responding for so long is something a town just wouldn't do in normal conditions.
You didn't react, now you have, and since your read makes sense now, I'm switching back to the other meat.
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On June 23 2014 11:34 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 11:18 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
Templar also declares meatPudding as scum, and says im slightly town. nothing else had been posted by either of us, and he's willing to vote on me. Says there is no way i could be town here and then votes on me. I'd say at least one of the mafia are going to be between tolkien,cats,templar. If we are lucky then two of them would be there. They have been pushing on different people, but never pushed on each other. My vote was a knee-jerk reaction to your actions initially contradicting your post about scott and was also a pressure post, shifting the majority from pudding back to you. I didn't mean to say that you could not possibly be town, but not responding for so long is something a town just wouldn't do in normal conditions. You didn't react, now you have, and since your read makes sense now, I'm switching back to the other meat. ##Unvote
##Vote: meatpudding
EDIT: I would like to know why you don't want to give a read on Cats?
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On June 23 2014 11:36 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
me?
cause it hasn't changed.
You should have said that instead of saying that you didn't want to- that seemed very weird. :\
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Also, my general opinion of mysterymeat hadn't changed from my initial post where I said he was slightly town, but I over-reacted to his complete and total lack of defense (I also thought he had given up).
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On June 23 2014 11:38 The_Templar wrote:
Also, my general opinion of mysterymeat hadn't changed from my initial post where I said he was slightly town, but I over-reacted to his complete and total lack of defense (I also thought he had given up).
edit: Yeah I said he couldn't be town. That was wrong of me, I should have said he couldn't be town since he wasn't defending at all, but he clearly is now.
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On June 23 2014 11:38 MysteryMeat1 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 09:27 Lord Tolkien wrote:On June 22 2014 08:58 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 22 2014 08:15 Lord Tolkien wrote:There really isn't much to say right now. All I can say is that Teemursu is my only solid read for me atm (as town). While Nydus has played with him before and says this behavior is alignment-null, he's instigating the scumhunting that town sorely needs early D1. As a result, I would peg him as town (or at least, a non-viable D1 lynch).That being said, I don't agree with any of the early lynch candidates thus far (as in, I don't have a strong enough read on any of them currently), and would rather lynch a lurker at this point in time. That includes scott, because his post was pretty much a non-response. Of Cats or meatpudding, if I had to choose a D1 lynch atm, I'd vote meatpudding solely based on thread contribution.
-Teemu agrees with me and "thinks I'm town", which I always appreciate, but he "thinks I'm town". He could be a town, or a mafia trying to make both of us or just me look mafia. Again, completely ambiguous and I'm not sure.
My general impression of mafia players in my limited experience is that they work to distance themselves as much as possible. I personally do not read too much into it atm; without a flip it's speculation. Not only that but Teemu agrees with me on TheKingOfCats. Although I agree with people that we should vote a lurker, considering the large number of lurkers and the fact that it's a newbie game, I don't think being a lurker is necessarily indicative of scum. On the other game, I do see people trying to contribute and looking scum whilst doing it. I'd rather vote on someone who I think is the scummiest than RNG a vote and potentially hit a cop. It isn't and I agree; however it is indicative to how useful they'll be to contributing to town, and I'd rather get a lurker lynch out of the way now in a newbie game, than later. If someone actively posts, it's easier to judge alignment, and gives town something to go with. If I am convinced of a player's scumminess I'll vote for him, but at present I don't feel enough of it atm. As for the possibility of hitting a lurking blue role or whatever, it is a risk, however if you are a blue role in forum mafia, the correct play for blues is generally to play like you would a vanilla townie. There's no reason to treat a blue role as anything outside of a (very nice) bonus; you're still playing town. All lurking does is make you suspicious, either to town or to scum. Don't do it guys. for someone soo good at pointing out inconsitancy cats...
Those bolded parts are not inconsistent?
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On June 23 2014 11:39 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 11:38 MysteryMeat1 wrote:On June 22 2014 09:27 Lord Tolkien wrote:On June 22 2014 08:58 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 22 2014 08:15 Lord Tolkien wrote:There really isn't much to say right now. All I can say is that Teemursu is my only solid read for me atm (as town). While Nydus has played with him before and says this behavior is alignment-null, he's instigating the scumhunting that town sorely needs early D1. As a result, I would peg him as town (or at least, a non-viable D1 lynch).That being said, I don't agree with any of the early lynch candidates thus far (as in, I don't have a strong enough read on any of them currently), and would rather lynch a lurker at this point in time. That includes scott, because his post was pretty much a non-response. Of Cats or meatpudding, if I had to choose a D1 lynch atm, I'd vote meatpudding solely based on thread contribution.
-Teemu agrees with me and "thinks I'm town", which I always appreciate, but he "thinks I'm town". He could be a town, or a mafia trying to make both of us or just me look mafia. Again, completely ambiguous and I'm not sure.
My general impression of mafia players in my limited experience is that they work to distance themselves as much as possible. I personally do not read too much into it atm; without a flip it's speculation. Not only that but Teemu agrees with me on TheKingOfCats. Although I agree with people that we should vote a lurker, considering the large number of lurkers and the fact that it's a newbie game, I don't think being a lurker is necessarily indicative of scum. On the other game, I do see people trying to contribute and looking scum whilst doing it. I'd rather vote on someone who I think is the scummiest than RNG a vote and potentially hit a cop. It isn't and I agree; however it is indicative to how useful they'll be to contributing to town, and I'd rather get a lurker lynch out of the way now in a newbie game, than later. If someone actively posts, it's easier to judge alignment, and gives town something to go with. If I am convinced of a player's scumminess I'll vote for him, but at present I don't feel enough of it atm. As for the possibility of hitting a lurking blue role or whatever, it is a risk, however if you are a blue role in forum mafia, the correct play for blues is generally to play like you would a vanilla townie. There's no reason to treat a blue role as anything outside of a (very nice) bonus; you're still playing town. All lurking does is make you suspicious, either to town or to scum. Don't do it guys. for someone soo good at pointing out inconsitancy cats... Those bolded parts are not inconsistent?
EDIT: Was looking at the wrong bolded parts. Did you mean the "and would rather lynch a lurker at this point in time" and the "As for the possibility of hitting a lurking blue role or whatever, it is a risk, however if you are a blue role in forum mafia, the correct play for blues is generally to play like you would a vanilla townie. There's no reason to treat a blue role as anything outside of a (very nice) bonus; you're still playing town" parts?
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On June 23 2014 11:40 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
its inconsitant in the sense that he is trying to push scum on me for not reading everything. or posting everything. He got mad that i pushed on him when i didn't push on tolkien. And it was more of a sarcastic remark on not reading everything.
Ah. Well, the parts I pointed out weren't really inconsistent either.
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On June 23 2014 11:27 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 11:12 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
Just from rereading the thread over my town reads would be
Scott: He votes on himself because he feels that the game isn't for him. Then thanks me for telling him to keep fighting if he was town. If Scott was mafia, I doubt he would be feeling alone, as he would have a mafia qt to post in and ask for advice. He hasn't contributed a whole lot but i really think he is town.
King:
As its been pointed out by a few people, of my glaring inconsitancy by condeming cats for lynching regardless of alignment. I also don't like how tolkien said it. Missed the sentence in his post where he said it. Unlike teemu and nydus i get my reads from more of a general flow of the game.
The_Templar:
Says scumhunting isn't essential day 1, doesn't like scott, and is willing to lynch him because he has no scum read.
Like the reason i don't like CATS, Tolkien, is because they seem very ready to lynch people, and throwing scum on people to sway town into voting on them. (this isn't OMGUS) but teemu on the other hand votes on people to get reactions and reads. I think there is a very clear distinction. I usually don't pay too much attention, but in this case imo the distinction is pretty clear.
Teemu: I really like teemu, he's pushing for information, and getting reads. He thinks pudding is scum, which i think pudding could be town.
Nydus: Hasn't posted a ton recently but i think he's pretty town. The way i distinguish between his town and mafia play is how objective he is to the game. When he's town his reads are more selfish and when he's mafia his reads are really objective.
Tolkien: i honestly don't like, once again not for OMGUS, but he wants to lynch lurkers, which i don't agree with. If they keep on lurking they could get modkilled. He also is telling blue roles how to play the game. There is more than one way to play mafia, and i think he's just fishing for roles to kill in the night honestly. I also don't like the fact that when people talked about my inconsistency on cat's and tolkien. No one really mentioned the fact that there could be a relationship between tolkien and I. IMO if mafia are going to go for an inconsitancy like that it happens for a reason.
HARUH: Leaning pretty town. I like his reads early on in the game.
Epishade: I don't know atm. I get this odd feeling like he's playing slightly different than he was the last time i played with him when he was town. Don't know what this really means, but could potentially expand on this on d2 if im alive.
in the mafia fence pile
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glowingbear (first post striked me as really odd)
pudding (said he could be town, but i think teemu is pretty town and teemu is pretty good at finding mafia) Why are me and Tolkien on your townpile if you don't like either of us?Where was Tolkien telling blue roles how to play the game and how is that scummy? What is this possible relationship between you and Tolkien? Can you elaborate on why the people in your mafia pile are scummy? [/QUOTE]
I'm going to help meat a bit and answer that relationship question. This post was the initial lynch post, where tolkien did something similar to what I did later (although I've retracted mine in favor of the still very scummy meatpudding)
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On June 23 2014 11:46 MysteryMeat1 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 11:36 The_Templar wrote:On June 23 2014 11:36 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
me?
cause it hasn't changed. You should have said that instead of saying that you didn't want to- that seemed very weird. :\ oh i misread that, i still don't want to give a read on her. Don't recall giving a read on her in the first place.
I was referring to Cats?
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On June 23 2014 11:54 jabberwockzerg wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 11:38 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
im not going to tell you why i would shoot her.... thats fucking dumb why is it so dumb for a town to elaborate on something he said when directly asked?
Yeah, share your thought process MM. There's literally no reason to not do so, except time >.>
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On June 23 2014 11:59 Hobbitus wrote:Templar, this Show nested quote + King:
As its been pointed out by a few people, of my glaring inconsitancy by condeming cats for lynching regardless of alignment. I also don't like how tolkien said it. Missed the sentence in his post where he said it. Unlike teemu and nydus i get my reads from more of a general flow of the game. is enough for you to change your mind about MM? Despite Tolkien's beautiful argument? Show nested quote + MysteryMeat's contribution is him trying to pose as normal town when he hasn't been posting much. My (limited) experience with lurker scum is that they hide until the second half of Day 1 before posting a "reads" list, and giving a vote in the hopes it'll let them off the hook for any suspicion, and voting for a possible bandwagon based on the general feelings in the thread. Let's be real here, NO ONE in this thread thought I was scum until GlowingBear (I believe Haru had already removed his vote at the time), so he figured it'd be best to continue the trend. Cats a safe vote. A bandwagon on meatpudding, but Cats is under suspicion so his vote won't be heavily scruitinized D2 if meatpudding turns up green.
It's just impossible for him not to even MENTION that I pushed for a lynch on a player for being deadweight and being FINE with a mislynch if that happens, if that's why he's so bent on voting Cats. It's just ridiculously impossible, like holy shit.
I never changed my general opinion of MysteryMeat. However, he's sort of looking frantic at this point, so I'm considering changing my vote back. I don't like changing my vote back and forth so I'm waiting until a conclusion is being reached.
Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 12:00 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 23 2014 11:47 The_Templar wrote:On June 23 2014 11:27 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 23 2014 11:12 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
Just from rereading the thread over my town reads would be
Scott: He votes on himself because he feels that the game isn't for him. Then thanks me for telling him to keep fighting if he was town. If Scott was mafia, I doubt he would be feeling alone, as he would have a mafia qt to post in and ask for advice. He hasn't contributed a whole lot but i really think he is town.
King:
As its been pointed out by a few people, of my glaring inconsitancy by condeming cats for lynching regardless of alignment. I also don't like how tolkien said it. Missed the sentence in his post where he said it. Unlike teemu and nydus i get my reads from more of a general flow of the game.
The_Templar:
Says scumhunting isn't essential day 1, doesn't like scott, and is willing to lynch him because he has no scum read.
Like the reason i don't like CATS, Tolkien, is because they seem very ready to lynch people, and throwing scum on people to sway town into voting on them. (this isn't OMGUS) but teemu on the other hand votes on people to get reactions and reads. I think there is a very clear distinction. I usually don't pay too much attention, but in this case imo the distinction is pretty clear.
Teemu: I really like teemu, he's pushing for information, and getting reads. He thinks pudding is scum, which i think pudding could be town.
Nydus: Hasn't posted a ton recently but i think he's pretty town. The way i distinguish between his town and mafia play is how objective he is to the game. When he's town his reads are more selfish and when he's mafia his reads are really objective.
Tolkien: i honestly don't like, once again not for OMGUS, but he wants to lynch lurkers, which i don't agree with. If they keep on lurking they could get modkilled. He also is telling blue roles how to play the game. There is more than one way to play mafia, and i think he's just fishing for roles to kill in the night honestly. I also don't like the fact that when people talked about my inconsistency on cat's and tolkien. No one really mentioned the fact that there could be a relationship between tolkien and I. IMO if mafia are going to go for an inconsitancy like that it happens for a reason.
HARUH: Leaning pretty town. I like his reads early on in the game.
Epishade: I don't know atm. I get this odd feeling like he's playing slightly different than he was the last time i played with him when he was town. Don't know what this really means, but could potentially expand on this on d2 if im alive.
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glowingbear (first post striked me as really odd)
pudding (said he could be town, but i think teemu is pretty town and teemu is pretty good at finding mafia) Why are me and Tolkien on your townpile if you don't like either of us?Where was Tolkien telling blue roles how to play the game and how is that scummy? What is this possible relationship between you and Tolkien? Can you elaborate on why the people in your mafia pile are scummy? I'm going to help meat a bit and answer that relationship question. This post was the initial lynch post, where tolkien did something similar to what I did later (although I've retracted mine in favor of the still very scummy meatpudding) I'm sorry but i really can't see what you're getting at. How does that post help explain a relationship between MM and Tolkien?
It got the town riled up against MM for the most part. It also caused my vote to change to MM to pressure him, which made him come out and start defending himself. Now MM is defending himself from Tolkien among other people.
This thread has gotten really, really weird.
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On June 23 2014 12:04 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 11:59 Hobbitus wrote:Templar, this King:
As its been pointed out by a few people, of my glaring inconsitancy by condeming cats for lynching regardless of alignment. I also don't like how tolkien said it. Missed the sentence in his post where he said it. Unlike teemu and nydus i get my reads from more of a general flow of the game. is enough for you to change your mind about MM? Despite Tolkien's beautiful argument? MysteryMeat's contribution is him trying to pose as normal town when he hasn't been posting much. My (limited) experience with lurker scum is that they hide until the second half of Day 1 before posting a "reads" list, and giving a vote in the hopes it'll let them off the hook for any suspicion, and voting for a possible bandwagon based on the general feelings in the thread. Let's be real here, NO ONE in this thread thought I was scum until GlowingBear (I believe Haru had already removed his vote at the time), so he figured it'd be best to continue the trend. Cats a safe vote. A bandwagon on meatpudding, but Cats is under suspicion so his vote won't be heavily scruitinized D2 if meatpudding turns up green.
It's just impossible for him not to even MENTION that I pushed for a lynch on a player for being deadweight and being FINE with a mislynch if that happens, if that's why he's so bent on voting Cats. It's just ridiculously impossible, like holy shit. I never changed my general opinion of MysteryMeat. However, he's sort of looking frantic at this point, so I'm considering changing my vote back. I don't like changing my vote back and forth so I'm waiting until a conclusion is being reached. Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 12:00 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 23 2014 11:47 The_Templar wrote:On June 23 2014 11:27 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 23 2014 11:12 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
Just from rereading the thread over my town reads would be
Scott: He votes on himself because he feels that the game isn't for him. Then thanks me for telling him to keep fighting if he was town. If Scott was mafia, I doubt he would be feeling alone, as he would have a mafia qt to post in and ask for advice. He hasn't contributed a whole lot but i really think he is town.
King:
As its been pointed out by a few people, of my glaring inconsitancy by condeming cats for lynching regardless of alignment. I also don't like how tolkien said it. Missed the sentence in his post where he said it. Unlike teemu and nydus i get my reads from more of a general flow of the game.
The_Templar:
Says scumhunting isn't essential day 1, doesn't like scott, and is willing to lynch him because he has no scum read.
Like the reason i don't like CATS, Tolkien, is because they seem very ready to lynch people, and throwing scum on people to sway town into voting on them. (this isn't OMGUS) but teemu on the other hand votes on people to get reactions and reads. I think there is a very clear distinction. I usually don't pay too much attention, but in this case imo the distinction is pretty clear.
Teemu: I really like teemu, he's pushing for information, and getting reads. He thinks pudding is scum, which i think pudding could be town.
Nydus: Hasn't posted a ton recently but i think he's pretty town. The way i distinguish between his town and mafia play is how objective he is to the game. When he's town his reads are more selfish and when he's mafia his reads are really objective.
Tolkien: i honestly don't like, once again not for OMGUS, but he wants to lynch lurkers, which i don't agree with. If they keep on lurking they could get modkilled. He also is telling blue roles how to play the game. There is more than one way to play mafia, and i think he's just fishing for roles to kill in the night honestly. I also don't like the fact that when people talked about my inconsistency on cat's and tolkien. No one really mentioned the fact that there could be a relationship between tolkien and I. IMO if mafia are going to go for an inconsitancy like that it happens for a reason.
HARUH: Leaning pretty town. I like his reads early on in the game.
Epishade: I don't know atm. I get this odd feeling like he's playing slightly different than he was the last time i played with him when he was town. Don't know what this really means, but could potentially expand on this on d2 if im alive.
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glowingbear (first post striked me as really odd)
pudding (said he could be town, but i think teemu is pretty town and teemu is pretty good at finding mafia) Why are me and Tolkien on your townpile if you don't like either of us?Where was Tolkien telling blue roles how to play the game and how is that scummy? What is this possible relationship between you and Tolkien? Can you elaborate on why the people in your mafia pile are scummy? I'm going to help meat a bit and answer that relationship question. This post was the initial lynch post, where tolkien did something similar to what I did later (although I've retracted mine in favor of the still very scummy meatpudding) I'm sorry but i really can't see what you're getting at. How does that post help explain a relationship between MM and Tolkien? It got the town riled up against MM for the most part. It also caused my vote to change to MM to pressure him, which made him come out and start defending himself. Now MM is defending himself from Tolkien among other people. This thread has gotten really, really weird.
To clarify: I am mentally voting for MM at this point, and if nothing has changed in the next 40 or so minutes, I'll unvote meatpudding. But I don't want to spam the vote list.
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On June 23 2014 12:06 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 12:04 The_Templar wrote:On June 23 2014 11:59 Hobbitus wrote:Templar, this King:
As its been pointed out by a few people, of my glaring inconsitancy by condeming cats for lynching regardless of alignment. I also don't like how tolkien said it. Missed the sentence in his post where he said it. Unlike teemu and nydus i get my reads from more of a general flow of the game. is enough for you to change your mind about MM? Despite Tolkien's beautiful argument? MysteryMeat's contribution is him trying to pose as normal town when he hasn't been posting much. My (limited) experience with lurker scum is that they hide until the second half of Day 1 before posting a "reads" list, and giving a vote in the hopes it'll let them off the hook for any suspicion, and voting for a possible bandwagon based on the general feelings in the thread. Let's be real here, NO ONE in this thread thought I was scum until GlowingBear (I believe Haru had already removed his vote at the time), so he figured it'd be best to continue the trend. Cats a safe vote. A bandwagon on meatpudding, but Cats is under suspicion so his vote won't be heavily scruitinized D2 if meatpudding turns up green.
It's just impossible for him not to even MENTION that I pushed for a lynch on a player for being deadweight and being FINE with a mislynch if that happens, if that's why he's so bent on voting Cats. It's just ridiculously impossible, like holy shit. I never changed my general opinion of MysteryMeat. However, he's sort of looking frantic at this point, so I'm considering changing my vote back. I don't like changing my vote back and forth so I'm waiting until a conclusion is being reached. On June 23 2014 12:00 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 23 2014 11:47 The_Templar wrote:On June 23 2014 11:27 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 23 2014 11:12 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
Just from rereading the thread over my town reads would be
Scott: He votes on himself because he feels that the game isn't for him. Then thanks me for telling him to keep fighting if he was town. If Scott was mafia, I doubt he would be feeling alone, as he would have a mafia qt to post in and ask for advice. He hasn't contributed a whole lot but i really think he is town.
King:
As its been pointed out by a few people, of my glaring inconsitancy by condeming cats for lynching regardless of alignment. I also don't like how tolkien said it. Missed the sentence in his post where he said it. Unlike teemu and nydus i get my reads from more of a general flow of the game.
The_Templar:
Says scumhunting isn't essential day 1, doesn't like scott, and is willing to lynch him because he has no scum read.
Like the reason i don't like CATS, Tolkien, is because they seem very ready to lynch people, and throwing scum on people to sway town into voting on them. (this isn't OMGUS) but teemu on the other hand votes on people to get reactions and reads. I think there is a very clear distinction. I usually don't pay too much attention, but in this case imo the distinction is pretty clear.
Teemu: I really like teemu, he's pushing for information, and getting reads. He thinks pudding is scum, which i think pudding could be town.
Nydus: Hasn't posted a ton recently but i think he's pretty town. The way i distinguish between his town and mafia play is how objective he is to the game. When he's town his reads are more selfish and when he's mafia his reads are really objective.
Tolkien: i honestly don't like, once again not for OMGUS, but he wants to lynch lurkers, which i don't agree with. If they keep on lurking they could get modkilled. He also is telling blue roles how to play the game. There is more than one way to play mafia, and i think he's just fishing for roles to kill in the night honestly. I also don't like the fact that when people talked about my inconsistency on cat's and tolkien. No one really mentioned the fact that there could be a relationship between tolkien and I. IMO if mafia are going to go for an inconsitancy like that it happens for a reason.
HARUH: Leaning pretty town. I like his reads early on in the game.
Epishade: I don't know atm. I get this odd feeling like he's playing slightly different than he was the last time i played with him when he was town. Don't know what this really means, but could potentially expand on this on d2 if im alive.
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glowingbear (first post striked me as really odd)
pudding (said he could be town, but i think teemu is pretty town and teemu is pretty good at finding mafia) Why are me and Tolkien on your townpile if you don't like either of us?Where was Tolkien telling blue roles how to play the game and how is that scummy? What is this possible relationship between you and Tolkien? Can you elaborate on why the people in your mafia pile are scummy? I'm going to help meat a bit and answer that relationship question. This post was the initial lynch post, where tolkien did something similar to what I did later (although I've retracted mine in favor of the still very scummy meatpudding) I'm sorry but i really can't see what you're getting at. How does that post help explain a relationship between MM and Tolkien? It got the town riled up against MM for the most part. It also caused my vote to change to MM to pressure him, which made him come out and start defending himself. Now MM is defending himself from Tolkien among other people. This thread has gotten really, really weird. To clarify: I am mentally voting for MM at this point, and if nothing has changed in the next 40 or so minutes, I'll unvote meatpudding. But I don't want to spam the vote list.
And I am voting for MM because of his very frantic defense in which he doesn't want to give too much away for some reason.
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On June 23 2014 12:07 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
if you tell a blue role how to play and in a newbie game they start playing like that, then you are essentially fishing for roles. If they start listening to you, and you notice then you can shoot them in the night.
He was only emphasizing the importance of not lurking though.
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On June 23 2014 12:09 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
Also kingofCats are you fucking retarded? Like, i posted a scenario for a possible relationship between tolkien and i that no one pointed out.
I also gave told you why i found people in my scum people i found scummy...
If there is a vigi, for the love of god, shoot Cats.
I can't find the mentioned scenario, what is it?
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On June 23 2014 12:12 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 12:04 The_Templar wrote:On June 23 2014 11:59 Hobbitus wrote:Templar, this King:
As its been pointed out by a few people, of my glaring inconsitancy by condeming cats for lynching regardless of alignment. I also don't like how tolkien said it. Missed the sentence in his post where he said it. Unlike teemu and nydus i get my reads from more of a general flow of the game. is enough for you to change your mind about MM? Despite Tolkien's beautiful argument? MysteryMeat's contribution is him trying to pose as normal town when he hasn't been posting much. My (limited) experience with lurker scum is that they hide until the second half of Day 1 before posting a "reads" list, and giving a vote in the hopes it'll let them off the hook for any suspicion, and voting for a possible bandwagon based on the general feelings in the thread. Let's be real here, NO ONE in this thread thought I was scum until GlowingBear (I believe Haru had already removed his vote at the time), so he figured it'd be best to continue the trend. Cats a safe vote. A bandwagon on meatpudding, but Cats is under suspicion so his vote won't be heavily scruitinized D2 if meatpudding turns up green.
It's just impossible for him not to even MENTION that I pushed for a lynch on a player for being deadweight and being FINE with a mislynch if that happens, if that's why he's so bent on voting Cats. It's just ridiculously impossible, like holy shit. I never changed my general opinion of MysteryMeat. However, he's sort of looking frantic at this point, so I'm considering changing my vote back. I don't like changing my vote back and forth so I'm waiting until a conclusion is being reached. On June 23 2014 12:00 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 23 2014 11:47 The_Templar wrote:On June 23 2014 11:27 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 23 2014 11:12 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
Just from rereading the thread over my town reads would be
Scott: He votes on himself because he feels that the game isn't for him. Then thanks me for telling him to keep fighting if he was town. If Scott was mafia, I doubt he would be feeling alone, as he would have a mafia qt to post in and ask for advice. He hasn't contributed a whole lot but i really think he is town.
King:
As its been pointed out by a few people, of my glaring inconsitancy by condeming cats for lynching regardless of alignment. I also don't like how tolkien said it. Missed the sentence in his post where he said it. Unlike teemu and nydus i get my reads from more of a general flow of the game.
The_Templar:
Says scumhunting isn't essential day 1, doesn't like scott, and is willing to lynch him because he has no scum read.
Like the reason i don't like CATS, Tolkien, is because they seem very ready to lynch people, and throwing scum on people to sway town into voting on them. (this isn't OMGUS) but teemu on the other hand votes on people to get reactions and reads. I think there is a very clear distinction. I usually don't pay too much attention, but in this case imo the distinction is pretty clear.
Teemu: I really like teemu, he's pushing for information, and getting reads. He thinks pudding is scum, which i think pudding could be town.
Nydus: Hasn't posted a ton recently but i think he's pretty town. The way i distinguish between his town and mafia play is how objective he is to the game. When he's town his reads are more selfish and when he's mafia his reads are really objective.
Tolkien: i honestly don't like, once again not for OMGUS, but he wants to lynch lurkers, which i don't agree with. If they keep on lurking they could get modkilled. He also is telling blue roles how to play the game. There is more than one way to play mafia, and i think he's just fishing for roles to kill in the night honestly. I also don't like the fact that when people talked about my inconsistency on cat's and tolkien. No one really mentioned the fact that there could be a relationship between tolkien and I. IMO if mafia are going to go for an inconsitancy like that it happens for a reason.
HARUH: Leaning pretty town. I like his reads early on in the game.
Epishade: I don't know atm. I get this odd feeling like he's playing slightly different than he was the last time i played with him when he was town. Don't know what this really means, but could potentially expand on this on d2 if im alive.
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glowingbear (first post striked me as really odd)
pudding (said he could be town, but i think teemu is pretty town and teemu is pretty good at finding mafia) Why are me and Tolkien on your townpile if you don't like either of us?Where was Tolkien telling blue roles how to play the game and how is that scummy? What is this possible relationship between you and Tolkien? Can you elaborate on why the people in your mafia pile are scummy? I'm going to help meat a bit and answer that relationship question. This post was the initial lynch post, where tolkien did something similar to what I did later (although I've retracted mine in favor of the still very scummy meatpudding) I'm sorry but i really can't see what you're getting at. How does that post help explain a relationship between MM and Tolkien? It got the town riled up against MM for the most part. It also caused my vote to change to MM to pressure him, which made him come out and start defending himself. Now MM is defending himself from Tolkien among other people. This thread has gotten really, really weird. But as i read it he said that he didn't comment on Tolkien proposing a lurker lynch because they may have a "relationship" implying masons...After he claimed VT. And now he's saying that he never read the post at all. I didn't misread it did i?
They're not masons. Tolkien instigated most of the train on MM
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On June 23 2014 12:16 meatpudding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Teemu On June 21 2014 22:51 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 22:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:46 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. I don't like this. What don't you like about it? The joke felt forced. Admitting to lurking and not at least saying you'll have more reads later on in the day rings scummy to me.Anyway, I just wanted to ping someone out. Do you have any early reads? Way to jump to conclusions. Anyway I pointed this out before that I was introducing myself and responding to Templar. On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote:
Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes.
I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e.
I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though).
My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar.
I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Teemu was really quick to start pushing on me at the start and yet 20 mins later making town lean calls on Templar. On June 21 2014 22:59 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 22:53 The_Templar wrote:On June 21 2014 22:48 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 20:57 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 20:48 HaruRH wrote:On June 21 2014 20:41 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Hello people, i have a stupid username. I've been playing mafia on OMGUS (TL's evil twin that's locked in the basement and fed a bucket of fish heads every night) since last october. Between then and now i was somehow voted season 2 best town so if my play is terrible it's pretty much a certainty that i'm scum. Yea your scum play is horrible, to the extent of nearly being modkilled. I hope you aren't going to afk :/ I should be more active this game because i actually know how to play town. I was quiet in my last game because i have no idea what i'm doing as scum. How was i nearly modkilled in that game? How DO you play town? Let's talk! Do you read into tone perhaps? Who do you like/dislike? There's this guy named Teemursu who's taking things really seriously at the beginning of day 1. In all seriousness, no reads for me yet as we've just introduced each other. Meatpudding's joke seemed a bit… random, (trying to get things friendly between everyone perhaps?) but I don't think it really means anything. Yeah, I'm probably the most serious person you'll meet on this forum. I actually kinda like this read. Feels like it's coming from a towny perspective. We -are- all new here and some are playing for the first time, and your read has that ring to it. On June 21 2014 23:09 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:04 Hobbitus wrote:On June 21 2014 22:51 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 22:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:46 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. I don't like this. What don't you like about it? The joke felt forced. Admitting to lurking and not at least saying you'll have more reads later on in the day rings scummy to me. Anyway, I just wanted to ping someone out. Do you have any early reads? Weird that you say that before meatpudding even reacts? But I'm with Templar, too early for me to get any reads. Might've been too early, agreed. I'm probably too used to video mafia's speed. I did get a towny vibe from Templar, though, so it's not like I came out empty-handed. To me, Teemu's willingness to make these reads based on one or two posts seems hasty and irrational. I (semi-seriously) pointed out that Teemu and Templar are likely a scum team trying to make false headway. (Hence my reading of Templar's future posts from that perspective.) On June 21 2014 23:17 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 22:51 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 22:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:46 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. I don't like this. What don't you like about it? The joke felt forced. Admitting to lurking and not at least saying you'll have more reads later on in the day rings scummy to me. Anyway, I just wanted to ping someone out. Do you have any early reads? It's too early for me to have any reads. Seeing as this is Meatpudding's first game i don't think his post was alignment indicative but if he doesn't contribute anything he'll be a good lynch regardless of his alignment. On June 21 2014 23:52 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:On June 21 2014 23:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:09 meatpudding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote:
Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes.
I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e.
I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though).
My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar.
I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Since you're wondering, it was a direct response to this post. I usually browse custom maps but don't often post there. What was a direct response to that post? This post was a response to Templar: On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course. Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town? TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. So I didn't specifically call you out. Apparently I got a reaction anyway, which is good, considering I just said I only pinged you out. I don't feel like TheKingOfCats is trying to lynch you at all, and I'm not sure how I should read your defensiveness about that (new player/mafia being pushed). He did give a fence read on you though. Like, It's obvious that we should lynch people who don't contribute at all. He's someone I'm going to keep my eye on. Teemu trying to cover his tracks? Who was the first to suggest I should be lynched? - Teemu. I think that he plays too well to make mistakes like this. The only thing that could excuse him is because I'm a new player, his reads are wrong because I'm not playing the normal way. On June 21 2014 19:36 Teemursu wrote:Hey guys, I'm here to stomp mafia. Lynch my day 1 scum reads, and we're all good.
I'm in the middle of some video mafia. Hope some discussion is on the way once I come back. My name (Teemu) comes from my mum & dad. On June 22 2014 12:46 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 08:20 The_Templar wrote:On June 22 2014 08:15 Lord Tolkien wrote:There really isn't much to say right now. All I can say is that Teemursu is my only solid read for me atm (as town). While Nydus has played with him before and says this behavior is alignment-null, he's instigating the scumhunting that town sorely needs early D1. As a result, I would peg him as town (or at least, a non-viable D1 lynch). That being said, I don't agree with any of the early lynch candidates thus far (as in, I don't have a strong enough read on any of them currently), and would rather lynch a lurker at this point in time. That includes scott, because his post was pretty much a non-response. Of Cats or meatpudding, if I had to choose a D1 lynch atm, I'd vote meatpudding solely based on thread contribution.
-Teemu agrees with me and "thinks I'm town", which I always appreciate, but he "thinks I'm town". He could be a town, or a mafia trying to make both of us or just me look mafia. Again, completely ambiguous and I'm not sure.
My general impression of mafia players in my limited experience is that they work to distance themselves as much as possible. I personally do not read too much into it atm; without a flip it's speculation. Personally, I don't know about Teemu, partly because I don't know about video mafia. I'm going to research this further. Scum-hunting isn't essential on day 1; I think it's more of a developing point in the game but that's just my two cents. I don't like Scott's posts very much. It's where I am the strongest in my town play.
Anyway, Cats is finally asking some better questions, so I am moving my focus on ## VOTE MeatpuddingI'm not sure about the Scott bandwagon, but pressuring him is not a bad idea. Teemu would have us believe that his D1 scum reads are infallible. So far he has only made one strong call to mafia (guess who) which seems suspicious to me. He has basically stopped pressuring now that he has made up his mind, and that I have helped convince half of town that I may be scum anyway. Easy lynch for Teemu. On June 22 2014 21:09 Teemursu wrote:
Meatpudding, I don't even know who Templar is..?
I get a lot of reads based on people's interaction with me (how they accuse me, etc), and so far yours has been very poor. You keep throwing scum at me without giving any explanation or backing up. Which of my reads have been off and how? Do you disagree with some or do you disagree with my reasons for my reads?
Honestly, I'm only trying to give you a chance to project town here by talking about reads, but you keep failing at it, which is making you my top scum read.
Speaking of throwing scum, people have been throwing scum at Scott, and I really wish he didn't become unmotivated as town because mafia pushed on him. >_>
Not the strongest case, all things considered.
Cool, but can you please offer your insight on you vs MM? Teemu isn't quite relevant right now I think.
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On June 23 2014 12:31 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
Hobbitus, if you agree with my cop checks then why are you voting to lynch me? Also nydus is hopping on the bandwagon. Says meatpudding is scummy, and mentions that i'm sheeping his reads but doesn't vote for the scummy person...
1. I need to brush up on my terminology, no idea what sheeping is :\
2. What cop checks? Are you referring to the list of people you think are mafia?
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On June 23 2014 12:35 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Kill MM1 pls. For the sake of my sanity and braincells. i dont even
Yeah, MM1 is making less and less sense as this goes on. And meatpudding has shown a willingness to post what he thinks later (although why is he avoiding the god damned issue of him vs MM, I have no idea).
##Unvote
##Vote: MysteryMeat1
Now that I have physically changed my vote due to nothing in particular changing, I'd like to note that meatpudding is dodging the issue.
On June 23 2014 12:31 meatpudding wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 12:26 The_Templar wrote:On June 23 2014 12:16 meatpudding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Teemu On June 21 2014 22:51 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 22:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:46 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. I don't like this. What don't you like about it? The joke felt forced. Admitting to lurking and not at least saying you'll have more reads later on in the day rings scummy to me.Anyway, I just wanted to ping someone out. Do you have any early reads? Way to jump to conclusions. Anyway I pointed this out before that I was introducing myself and responding to Templar. On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote:
Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes.
I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e.
I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though).
My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar.
I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Teemu was really quick to start pushing on me at the start and yet 20 mins later making town lean calls on Templar. On June 21 2014 22:59 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 22:53 The_Templar wrote:On June 21 2014 22:48 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 20:57 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 20:48 HaruRH wrote:On June 21 2014 20:41 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Hello people, i have a stupid username. I've been playing mafia on OMGUS (TL's evil twin that's locked in the basement and fed a bucket of fish heads every night) since last october. Between then and now i was somehow voted season 2 best town so if my play is terrible it's pretty much a certainty that i'm scum. Yea your scum play is horrible, to the extent of nearly being modkilled. I hope you aren't going to afk :/ I should be more active this game because i actually know how to play town. I was quiet in my last game because i have no idea what i'm doing as scum. How was i nearly modkilled in that game? How DO you play town? Let's talk! Do you read into tone perhaps? Who do you like/dislike? There's this guy named Teemursu who's taking things really seriously at the beginning of day 1. In all seriousness, no reads for me yet as we've just introduced each other. Meatpudding's joke seemed a bit… random, (trying to get things friendly between everyone perhaps?) but I don't think it really means anything. Yeah, I'm probably the most serious person you'll meet on this forum. I actually kinda like this read. Feels like it's coming from a towny perspective. We -are- all new here and some are playing for the first time, and your read has that ring to it. On June 21 2014 23:09 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:04 Hobbitus wrote:On June 21 2014 22:51 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 22:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:46 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. I don't like this. What don't you like about it? The joke felt forced. Admitting to lurking and not at least saying you'll have more reads later on in the day rings scummy to me. Anyway, I just wanted to ping someone out. Do you have any early reads? Weird that you say that before meatpudding even reacts? But I'm with Templar, too early for me to get any reads. Might've been too early, agreed. I'm probably too used to video mafia's speed. I did get a towny vibe from Templar, though, so it's not like I came out empty-handed. To me, Teemu's willingness to make these reads based on one or two posts seems hasty and irrational. I (semi-seriously) pointed out that Teemu and Templar are likely a scum team trying to make false headway. (Hence my reading of Templar's future posts from that perspective.) On June 21 2014 23:17 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 22:51 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 22:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:46 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. I don't like this. What don't you like about it? The joke felt forced. Admitting to lurking and not at least saying you'll have more reads later on in the day rings scummy to me. Anyway, I just wanted to ping someone out. Do you have any early reads? It's too early for me to have any reads. Seeing as this is Meatpudding's first game i don't think his post was alignment indicative but if he doesn't contribute anything he'll be a good lynch regardless of his alignment. On June 21 2014 23:52 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:On June 21 2014 23:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:09 meatpudding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote:
Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes.
I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e.
I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though).
My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar.
I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Since you're wondering, it was a direct response to this post. I usually browse custom maps but don't often post there. What was a direct response to that post? This post was a response to Templar: On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course. Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town? TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. So I didn't specifically call you out. Apparently I got a reaction anyway, which is good, considering I just said I only pinged you out. I don't feel like TheKingOfCats is trying to lynch you at all, and I'm not sure how I should read your defensiveness about that (new player/mafia being pushed). He did give a fence read on you though. Like, It's obvious that we should lynch people who don't contribute at all. He's someone I'm going to keep my eye on. Teemu trying to cover his tracks? Who was the first to suggest I should be lynched? - Teemu. I think that he plays too well to make mistakes like this. The only thing that could excuse him is because I'm a new player, his reads are wrong because I'm not playing the normal way. On June 21 2014 19:36 Teemursu wrote:Hey guys, I'm here to stomp mafia. Lynch my day 1 scum reads, and we're all good.
I'm in the middle of some video mafia. Hope some discussion is on the way once I come back. My name (Teemu) comes from my mum & dad. On June 22 2014 12:46 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 08:20 The_Templar wrote:On June 22 2014 08:15 Lord Tolkien wrote:There really isn't much to say right now. All I can say is that Teemursu is my only solid read for me atm (as town). While Nydus has played with him before and says this behavior is alignment-null, he's instigating the scumhunting that town sorely needs early D1. As a result, I would peg him as town (or at least, a non-viable D1 lynch). That being said, I don't agree with any of the early lynch candidates thus far (as in, I don't have a strong enough read on any of them currently), and would rather lynch a lurker at this point in time. That includes scott, because his post was pretty much a non-response. Of Cats or meatpudding, if I had to choose a D1 lynch atm, I'd vote meatpudding solely based on thread contribution.
-Teemu agrees with me and "thinks I'm town", which I always appreciate, but he "thinks I'm town". He could be a town, or a mafia trying to make both of us or just me look mafia. Again, completely ambiguous and I'm not sure.
My general impression of mafia players in my limited experience is that they work to distance themselves as much as possible. I personally do not read too much into it atm; without a flip it's speculation. Personally, I don't know about Teemu, partly because I don't know about video mafia. I'm going to research this further. Scum-hunting isn't essential on day 1; I think it's more of a developing point in the game but that's just my two cents. I don't like Scott's posts very much. It's where I am the strongest in my town play.
Anyway, Cats is finally asking some better questions, so I am moving my focus on ## VOTE MeatpuddingI'm not sure about the Scott bandwagon, but pressuring him is not a bad idea. Teemu would have us believe that his D1 scum reads are infallible. So far he has only made one strong call to mafia (guess who) which seems suspicious to me. He has basically stopped pressuring now that he has made up his mind, and that I have helped convince half of town that I may be scum anyway. Easy lynch for Teemu. On June 22 2014 21:09 Teemursu wrote:
Meatpudding, I don't even know who Templar is..?
I get a lot of reads based on people's interaction with me (how they accuse me, etc), and so far yours has been very poor. You keep throwing scum at me without giving any explanation or backing up. Which of my reads have been off and how? Do you disagree with some or do you disagree with my reasons for my reads?
Honestly, I'm only trying to give you a chance to project town here by talking about reads, but you keep failing at it, which is making you my top scum read.
Speaking of throwing scum, people have been throwing scum at Scott, and I really wish he didn't become unmotivated as town because mafia pushed on him. >_>
Not the strongest case, all things considered. Cool, but can you please offer your insight on you vs MM? Teemu isn't quite relevant right now I think. Yes, I know. I also want to write up my thoughts on you and Cats. I'm keeping up with the thread but I don't have a read on MM. Other than what Tolkien said about lurkers being scum, I don't know. I have the net 30mins free but only so much I can type. I'm basically voting to save myself and help town.
"I want to talk about you and Cats even though the important players right now are me, tolkien and MM. I don't really have anything to say about it."
Well dammit, you only have 30 minutes so you really want to talk about those other players instead of focusing on stuff that will only be relevant for the next 30 minutes, when what you're most interested in can wait? Why are you doing this?
I still changed my vote because he is still coherent. If he's dodging issues in the future, we can work it out then.
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On June 23 2014 12:41 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Where is Haru, where is Teemo.
I'm going to guess they're asleep (Haru would be sleeping pretty late though…). It's like 6 am where teemu (not teemo -.-) is.
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On June 23 2014 12:41 Hobbitus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 12:38 Hobbitus wrote:On June 23 2014 12:31 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
Hobbitus, if you agree with my cop checks then why are you voting to lynch me? Also nydus is hopping on the bandwagon. Says meatpudding is scummy, and mentions that i'm sheeping his reads but doesn't vote for the scummy person... I am very confused about you in general. I don't know why you won't give a read on me. I don't understand your play style. The only way I see to get clarification is to lynch you for information because everything you say/do is contradictory, irrelevant or random, your flip will not be. Your reads are good, but your arguments are just weird o_0 Actually, let me revise that. I think that your suggestions for a cop check are good, not that all three of them are scum. I think those are three very good choices to know the alignment of, given their position in this clusterfuck.
His most recent cop checks are cats, tolkien, and jabberwock? Those are pretty solid checks yeah.
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Oh dammit. Meatpudding, please vote someone. I don't want to lose you before you've got all of your reads in (and I'd rather not lose 4 people on day 1…)
Actually, which of those 3 non-voters would be replaced if nothing changes in the next 12 minutes?
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On June 23 2014 12:55 Hobbitus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 12:52 meatpudding wrote:
I kind of skimmed it. Seems like your case was just based around how he claimed to have read you? He seems to have drawn conclusions without much interaction. I certainly don't get what Tolkien and MM have to do with one another, and Tolkien is taking steps as far away from him as possible.
Anyway I can't follow MM's process at all. I'm not sure, but I hope you guys know what you're doing.
##Vote: MysteryMeat1
What is the purpose of this post exactly?
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On June 23 2014 12:56 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 12:55 Hobbitus wrote:On June 23 2014 12:52 meatpudding wrote:
I kind of skimmed it. Seems like your case was just based around how he claimed to have read you? He seems to have drawn conclusions without much interaction. I certainly don't get what Tolkien and MM have to do with one another, and Tolkien is taking steps as far away from him as possible.
Anyway I can't follow MM's process at all. I'm not sure, but I hope you guys know what you're doing.
##Vote: MysteryMeat1 What is the purpose of this post exactly?
edit: the post you have just made
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On June 23 2014 12:57 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 12:50 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
i said my reads weren't based on OMGUS, and there are people voting for me that i think are town. You and meatpudding have a case of tunnel vision. Or what I call OMGUS. 1) scumreads the first few on your wagons MP: Templar/teemu/me MM: Nydus/cat 2) votes on 'scumreads' which comes with a near fabricated read.
Agreed with Haru here, you both need to work on considering whether other people might independently be doing something unusual/fishy. And if your initial scum reads seem like they're accurate, then use them.
I'm off to bed, see you all in the morning after the flips.
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On June 23 2014 12:58 meatpudding wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 12:57 Lord Tolkien wrote:
But no seriously you're fine, just...you need to work on making sense. If you are town, such a glaring discrepancy in analysis like what you did will get you punished unless it was deliberate (and you'll get punished for that too, like I learned my last newbie mafia gaem <_< ). And you really need to work on making sense. Because I still can't follow your line of thinking in your defense afterwards.
If you're scum, die. Is this at me?
MM1 I think
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On June 23 2014 12:31 meatpudding wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 12:26 The_Templar wrote:On June 23 2014 12:16 meatpudding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Teemu On June 21 2014 22:51 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 22:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:46 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. I don't like this. What don't you like about it? The joke felt forced. Admitting to lurking and not at least saying you'll have more reads later on in the day rings scummy to me.Anyway, I just wanted to ping someone out. Do you have any early reads? Way to jump to conclusions. Anyway I pointed this out before that I was introducing myself and responding to Templar. On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote:
Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes.
I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e.
I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though).
My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar.
I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Teemu was really quick to start pushing on me at the start and yet 20 mins later making town lean calls on Templar. On June 21 2014 22:59 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 22:53 The_Templar wrote:On June 21 2014 22:48 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 20:57 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 20:48 HaruRH wrote:On June 21 2014 20:41 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Hello people, i have a stupid username. I've been playing mafia on OMGUS (TL's evil twin that's locked in the basement and fed a bucket of fish heads every night) since last october. Between then and now i was somehow voted season 2 best town so if my play is terrible it's pretty much a certainty that i'm scum. Yea your scum play is horrible, to the extent of nearly being modkilled. I hope you aren't going to afk :/ I should be more active this game because i actually know how to play town. I was quiet in my last game because i have no idea what i'm doing as scum. How was i nearly modkilled in that game? How DO you play town? Let's talk! Do you read into tone perhaps? Who do you like/dislike? There's this guy named Teemursu who's taking things really seriously at the beginning of day 1. In all seriousness, no reads for me yet as we've just introduced each other. Meatpudding's joke seemed a bit… random, (trying to get things friendly between everyone perhaps?) but I don't think it really means anything. Yeah, I'm probably the most serious person you'll meet on this forum. I actually kinda like this read. Feels like it's coming from a towny perspective. We -are- all new here and some are playing for the first time, and your read has that ring to it. On June 21 2014 23:09 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:04 Hobbitus wrote:On June 21 2014 22:51 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 22:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:46 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. I don't like this. What don't you like about it? The joke felt forced. Admitting to lurking and not at least saying you'll have more reads later on in the day rings scummy to me. Anyway, I just wanted to ping someone out. Do you have any early reads? Weird that you say that before meatpudding even reacts? But I'm with Templar, too early for me to get any reads. Might've been too early, agreed. I'm probably too used to video mafia's speed. I did get a towny vibe from Templar, though, so it's not like I came out empty-handed. To me, Teemu's willingness to make these reads based on one or two posts seems hasty and irrational. I (semi-seriously) pointed out that Teemu and Templar are likely a scum team trying to make false headway. (Hence my reading of Templar's future posts from that perspective.) On June 21 2014 23:17 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 22:51 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 22:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:46 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. I don't like this. What don't you like about it? The joke felt forced. Admitting to lurking and not at least saying you'll have more reads later on in the day rings scummy to me. Anyway, I just wanted to ping someone out. Do you have any early reads? It's too early for me to have any reads. Seeing as this is Meatpudding's first game i don't think his post was alignment indicative but if he doesn't contribute anything he'll be a good lynch regardless of his alignment. On June 21 2014 23:52 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:On June 21 2014 23:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:09 meatpudding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote:
Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes.
I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e.
I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though).
My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar.
I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Since you're wondering, it was a direct response to this post. I usually browse custom maps but don't often post there. What was a direct response to that post? This post was a response to Templar: On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course. Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town? TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. So I didn't specifically call you out. Apparently I got a reaction anyway, which is good, considering I just said I only pinged you out. I don't feel like TheKingOfCats is trying to lynch you at all, and I'm not sure how I should read your defensiveness about that (new player/mafia being pushed). He did give a fence read on you though. Like, It's obvious that we should lynch people who don't contribute at all. He's someone I'm going to keep my eye on. Teemu trying to cover his tracks? Who was the first to suggest I should be lynched? - Teemu. I think that he plays too well to make mistakes like this. The only thing that could excuse him is because I'm a new player, his reads are wrong because I'm not playing the normal way. On June 21 2014 19:36 Teemursu wrote:Hey guys, I'm here to stomp mafia. Lynch my day 1 scum reads, and we're all good.
I'm in the middle of some video mafia. Hope some discussion is on the way once I come back. My name (Teemu) comes from my mum & dad. On June 22 2014 12:46 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 08:20 The_Templar wrote:On June 22 2014 08:15 Lord Tolkien wrote:There really isn't much to say right now. All I can say is that Teemursu is my only solid read for me atm (as town). While Nydus has played with him before and says this behavior is alignment-null, he's instigating the scumhunting that town sorely needs early D1. As a result, I would peg him as town (or at least, a non-viable D1 lynch). That being said, I don't agree with any of the early lynch candidates thus far (as in, I don't have a strong enough read on any of them currently), and would rather lynch a lurker at this point in time. That includes scott, because his post was pretty much a non-response. Of Cats or meatpudding, if I had to choose a D1 lynch atm, I'd vote meatpudding solely based on thread contribution.
-Teemu agrees with me and "thinks I'm town", which I always appreciate, but he "thinks I'm town". He could be a town, or a mafia trying to make both of us or just me look mafia. Again, completely ambiguous and I'm not sure.
My general impression of mafia players in my limited experience is that they work to distance themselves as much as possible. I personally do not read too much into it atm; without a flip it's speculation. Personally, I don't know about Teemu, partly because I don't know about video mafia. I'm going to research this further. Scum-hunting isn't essential on day 1; I think it's more of a developing point in the game but that's just my two cents. I don't like Scott's posts very much. It's where I am the strongest in my town play.
Anyway, Cats is finally asking some better questions, so I am moving my focus on ## VOTE MeatpuddingI'm not sure about the Scott bandwagon, but pressuring him is not a bad idea. Teemu would have us believe that his D1 scum reads are infallible. So far he has only made one strong call to mafia (guess who) which seems suspicious to me. He has basically stopped pressuring now that he has made up his mind, and that I have helped convince half of town that I may be scum anyway. Easy lynch for Teemu. On June 22 2014 21:09 Teemursu wrote:
Meatpudding, I don't even know who Templar is..?
I get a lot of reads based on people's interaction with me (how they accuse me, etc), and so far yours has been very poor. You keep throwing scum at me without giving any explanation or backing up. Which of my reads have been off and how? Do you disagree with some or do you disagree with my reasons for my reads?
Honestly, I'm only trying to give you a chance to project town here by talking about reads, but you keep failing at it, which is making you my top scum read.
Speaking of throwing scum, people have been throwing scum at Scott, and I really wish he didn't become unmotivated as town because mafia pushed on him. >_>
Not the strongest case, all things considered. Cool, but can you please offer your insight on you vs MM? Teemu isn't quite relevant right now I think. Yes, I know. I also want to write up my thoughts on you and Cats. I'm keeping up with the thread but I don't have a read on MM. Other than what Tolkien said about lurkers being scum, I don't know. I have the net 30mins free but only so much I can type. I'm basically voting to save myself and help town.
Since you didn't do anything about you and MM, can I see these thoughts or are you going to do nothing this night?
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On June 24 2014 01:27 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok, I'll do more later, including Haru's request. I tried to read the whole thread but it is INSANE to keep up all the information. My head it hurting a lot LOL
I am having a lot of trouble myself actually, there's so much information that I don't know who and where to begin with. When I get to my computer I'll see what I can do with Teemu's and your reads, there's a lot of interesting stuff in there.
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On June 24 2014 03:28 GlowingBear wrote:Hahaha I thought that just right after I posted. I hate not being able do edit now
Did you ever edit before?
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On June 24 2014 04:12 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2014 03:34 HaruRH wrote:On June 24 2014 03:33 GlowingBear wrote:On June 24 2014 03:32 The_Templar wrote:On June 24 2014 03:28 GlowingBear wrote:Hahaha I thought that just right after I posted. I hate not being able do edit now Did you ever edit before? Nope, I'm talking about the "no editing" policy I wanted to live past tonight. Don't increase my already high chance of getting mafia'ed tonight. Hahaha I wouldn't worry if I were you. You have too many spotlights to be the first kill. Mafia will be roleblocked if they try to kill you. They will follow someone else.
Umm… what? Doesn't roleblocking the mafia require targeting the right person? How would their choice influence whether they were roleblocked?
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On June 24 2014 04:14 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2014 04:13 The_Templar wrote:On June 24 2014 04:12 GlowingBear wrote:On June 24 2014 03:34 HaruRH wrote:On June 24 2014 03:33 GlowingBear wrote:On June 24 2014 03:32 The_Templar wrote:On June 24 2014 03:28 GlowingBear wrote:Hahaha I thought that just right after I posted. I hate not being able do edit now Did you ever edit before? Nope, I'm talking about the "no editing" policy I wanted to live past tonight. Don't increase my already high chance of getting mafia'ed tonight. Hahaha I wouldn't worry if I were you. You have too many spotlights to be the first kill. Mafia will be roleblocked if they try to kill you. They will follow someone else. Umm… what? Doesn't roleblocking the mafia require targeting the right person? How would their choice influence whether they were roleblocked? He probably meant jail on me tonight.
Still doesn't make sense. Even IF you are blue AND you are jailed, then your role is useless on night 1, so you might as well be vanilla townie for the first two days..? It would be much better to medic you if you are blue.
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Unfortunately, one of my better milestone posts (In the 3 word game)
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When I post in the wrong thread, I really post in the wrong thread. Seriously ignore that
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On June 24 2014 04:33 Epishade wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2014 04:29 The_Templar wrote:
When I post in the wrong thread, I really post in the wrong thread. Seriously ignore that I don't think I will. That post wreaks of scum.
How so? I take stuff too seriously and that post is completely off topic and silly.
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On June 24 2014 04:41 Epishade wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2014 04:36 The_Templar wrote:On June 24 2014 04:33 Epishade wrote:On June 24 2014 04:29 The_Templar wrote:
When I post in the wrong thread, I really post in the wrong thread. Seriously ignore that I don't think I will. That post wreaks of scum. How so? I take stuff too seriously and that post is completely off topic and silly. When you post like that so carelessly such that it interferes with the game, it shows that you aren't putting as much effort into the game as you are paying attention to other various forum posts. + Show Spoiler +
It sure didn't sound like a joke at the time...
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On June 24 2014 04:48 Epishade wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2014 04:46 The_Templar wrote:On June 24 2014 04:41 Epishade wrote:On June 24 2014 04:36 The_Templar wrote:On June 24 2014 04:33 Epishade wrote:On June 24 2014 04:29 The_Templar wrote:
When I post in the wrong thread, I really post in the wrong thread. Seriously ignore that I don't think I will. That post wreaks of scum. How so? I take stuff too seriously and that post is completely off topic and silly. When you post like that so carelessly such that it interferes with the game, it shows that you aren't putting as much effort into the game as you are paying attention to other various forum posts. + Show Spoiler + It sure didn't sound like a joke at the time... Lol.
That was a joke, by the way.
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I suspect Meatpudding and not really Tolkien right now. Here's why:
On June 24 2014 09:01 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 20:58 meatpudding wrote:
Not very sure how to vote. I could read players that are defensive as scum.
##Vote: HaruRH
Haru is not really pushing town agenda. Asking vague questions, not pushing anyone in particular. Calling out when Hobbitus contradicts herself, does not seem like a good read to me.
I'm still leaning towards Teemu as scum. Teemu and Templar have played before, maybe that is why they are acting familiar, but it seems like Teemu's reads are off.
Cats is asking lots of questions, I am leaning town here.
On Templar, I think only his one long post gives much info. I think he plays town, but could be trying to give false info.
Tolkien seems noncommittal, then starts a bandwagon. Not sure here.
Hobbitus not posting much but looks like town trying to get some early reads.
That's all I have for now. Why vote Haru out of the blue when you're so sure that Teemu is scum?
It actually turns out that his reason for leaning scummy on Teemu in this post was completely wrong with some of his other reads, as Teemu and I had never played together. He apologized later but then clarified that I was probably scum, even though his town read on me had never changed. He additionally gave a different scum read on Teemu that wasn't strong at all, and told everyone "don't vote" if they disagreed with his Haru vote. (Surely he knew that everyone is supposed to vote right?)
On June 23 2014 05:53 meatpudding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 23 2014 00:10 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 14:42 Epishade wrote:
Just from the looks of it, Templar seems to me to be townie so far. He's been posting a lot and replying to a lot of posts directed at him. Generally, too, when I think things to myself, and other people agree with what I'm currently thinking, I place those people in my town pile. I put Templar in there for his suspicion against Teemursu, which I had as well. Though he ultimately decided to vote on Scott, which I also believe to be a justified vote thus far. Sure, I guess a mafia could have done either just as well, so I generally don't put a lot of faith into day 1 reads. Just, so far, he's most townie to me right now.
I would like him to answer one thing I saw him post that seemed a little weird to me.
@Templar, what did you mean with these sentences about Teemursu? What was the "But he thinks I'm town." clause supposed to contradict?
He said that I gave off a towny vibe, but it could have been scum trying to make me look scum. It was very early in the game to be thinking anyone was town or scum, so it was sort of weird. However: Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 16:07 Teemursu wrote:Right when I ask for real-time interaction, two people start posting. I'm happy. I like this though. He is trying to get us all playing. Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 17:49 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
THE_TEMPLAR:
I don't like how he links his mafia play filter. IMO its pretty scummy people who do it. ITs like guys this is how i play mafia, don't worry i can't possibly change my play and fool you guys. THE_Templar and one other posted their filters, which seemed pretty scummy.
I read Scott's posts and didn't really see any reason to vote on him. However its forum mafia, so voting 20 hours before deadline isn't that big of a deal as you can always switch. Don't mind him pressuring scott either.
When did I link my filter? I posted two posts from my previous game which basically said that I spent a lot of time playing mafia. Tolkien did link filters… even though you could find his last game in his post history. (In fact, I just did that.) Anyway, the game was over a year ago. Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 19:09 scott31337 wrote:
Okay, I've had a bit to think about this, and want to post my feelings as best I can.
(The_Templar)
I mostly agree with this - and also since he is showing the most information in my opinion - he may be lynched by mafia - and since he may be thinking Cats -
If Cats gets lynched - Templar will go at night
If Meat get lynched - Templar may go as well
If Templar does not go at night - a slight scum read
Still suspect Templar town
Hope that helps how I feel with my townie friends!
I only have a slight scum read on Cats, which is not particularly strong at all, and I specifically said I don't have a read on meat yet in that post. I don't see why I'd be a good n1 kill in those scenarios, especially considering there are people that are also doing their best and reading just like I am. I think you might be setting up something against me later. There will be at least 10 people alive day 2 if nobody gets modkilled, so why are you in this mindset of "The_Templar will probably either die or look scum by day 2"? The post is a very big analysis post in general though, and you're clearly putting in effort, so: ##UnvotePlease unvote yourself and keep your head in the game. Also, I'd rather not waste a lynch when you can just ask to be replaced.Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 20:58 meatpudding wrote:
Not very sure how to vote. I could read players that are defensive as scum.
##Vote: HaruRH
Haru is not really pushing town agenda. Asking vague questions, not pushing anyone in particular. Calling out when Hobbitus contradicts herself, does not seem like a good read to me.
I'm still leaning towards Teemu as scum. Teemu and Templar have played before, maybe that is why they are acting familiar, but it seems like Teemu's reads are off.
Cats is asking lots of questions, I am leaning town here.
On Templar, I think only his one long post gives much info. I think he plays town, but could be trying to give false info.
Tolkien seems noncommittal, then starts a bandwagon. Not sure here.
Hobbitus not posting much but looks like town trying to get some early reads.
That's all I have for now. Haru called out Tolkien as being scummy and voted him. He also pushed Hobbitus earlier, so he's definitely looking for scum. Maybe not as much as you would like, but certainly more than you… I've never played with Teemu. Wtf?
If you think my long post is the only informative post I've made, you should read my filter again. Sure, none of my other posts have thorough analysis, but a lot of my other posts explain why I'm doing what I'm doing… particularly these, and I save my analysis for the big posts. Why exactly does Hobbitus look like town? Just because she's looking for stuff doesn't really mean anything, and all she's actually said is that Teemu and I were probably not both scum making a play so early in the game. (This is not a jab at Hobbitus because she seems to be making a longer post right now) Starting to look suspicious to me. I'll wait for you to redeem yourself, but I'm on the edge of voting you now. On June 22 2014 01:39 NydusHerMain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 22:59 Teemursu wrote:Yeah, I'm probably the most serious person you'll meet on this forum. I actually kinda like this read. Feels like it's coming from a towny perspective. We -are- all new here and some are playing for the first time, and your read has that ring to it. As someone who plays with you a lot in video mafia, I feel like this is not a typical read of yours. Seems a bit forced, and I hope that it's a reaction test. If it is, I'd like you to explain what you got from it. Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:On June 21 2014 23:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:09 meatpudding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote:
Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes.
I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e.
I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though).
My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar.
I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Since you're wondering, it was a direct response to this post. I usually browse custom maps but don't often post there. What was a direct response to that post? This post was a response to Templar: On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course. Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town?TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. I don't think scum align themselves so quickly. The read seems a bit weak but I don't necessarily think it comes from scum. Your read on TheKingOfCats seems to come from a towny perspective. Not sure what to think of you yet but leaning town. Templar, my mistake. I was confusing you with something that Nydus said. Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 00:41 HaruRH wrote:On June 22 2014 00:14 Hobbitus wrote:On June 22 2014 00:01 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 23:59 Hobbitus wrote:On June 21 2014 23:51 HaruRH wrote:On June 21 2014 23:44 Hobbitus wrote:On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:
But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course.
Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town?
TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. That seems like too obvious a play to me? I could see one or the other being scum but not both. Uh, do you really think this is a play? No, that's my point. Meatpudding is saying that's a play, but I don't think so. IF it is though, I think it'd be more likely that one is town and one is scum than both being scum. If you don't think it's a play, do you have a specific reasoning for that? Who do you think is the town/scum? Well like I said, it seems very obvious/early for a play? One "hey I think you're towny" post does not a scumteam make. It's more like you're sniffing out reads to me. That being said, if it is a play I'd say you're more likely than Templar to be scum just because you do have such polarized reactions to people. Now, you're raising flags here. I don't want to spoil your mood but once the day goes into full gear, you will only see one-sided polarised arguments filled with tunnel vision of each other. Also, by calling out the 'play', and yet saying you think it's too obvious/early for plays you're contradicting yourself. + Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 23:44 Hobbitus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:On June 21 2014 23:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:09 meatpudding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote:
Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes.
I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e.
I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though).
My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar.
I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Since you're wondering, it was a direct response to this post. I usually browse custom maps but don't often post there. What was a direct response to that post? This post was a response to Templar: On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course. Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town?TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. That seems like too obvious a play to me? I could see one or the other being scum but not both. I don't have a strong case against Haruhi. But this post seems to be contradicting what he said about not scum hunting on D1. I went with my vote for this and because besides from this he is not being too direct. I'm trying to avoid a mislynch and if you think Haru is not worthy to lynch don't vote. On being paranoid of Teemu, he has been on my case since I introduced myself and hasn't let up one bit. He is pushing the lynch wagon hardest as well. Teemu strongest scum lean for me but I am not proposing a lynch because he posts a lot and might lead to more info and contradictions in the future. Teemu, Templar and Haru are leaning scum for me, but sure the case is weak. That's all for now. If I'm back before closing I can make another post.
I had more insight on this particular post here.
Additionally, Meat never really stopped pushing Teemu about his very quick and slightly questionable town read on me, instead using this as a starting point for all of his future reads on him and me (keep in mind I'm not even a big part of this), specifically the bolded part of this post:
On June 23 2014 12:16 meatpudding wrote:Teemu Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 22:51 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 22:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:46 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. I don't like this. What don't you like about it? The joke felt forced. Admitting to lurking and not at least saying you'll have more reads later on in the day rings scummy to me.Anyway, I just wanted to ping someone out. Do you have any early reads? Way to jump to conclusions. Anyway I pointed this out before that I was introducing myself and responding to Templar. Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote:
Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes.
I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e.
I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though).
My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar.
I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Teemu was really quick to start pushing on me at the start and yet 20 mins later making town lean calls on Templar. Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 22:59 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 22:53 The_Templar wrote:On June 21 2014 22:48 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 20:57 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 20:48 HaruRH wrote:On June 21 2014 20:41 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Hello people, i have a stupid username. I've been playing mafia on OMGUS (TL's evil twin that's locked in the basement and fed a bucket of fish heads every night) since last october. Between then and now i was somehow voted season 2 best town so if my play is terrible it's pretty much a certainty that i'm scum. Yea your scum play is horrible, to the extent of nearly being modkilled. I hope you aren't going to afk :/ I should be more active this game because i actually know how to play town. I was quiet in my last game because i have no idea what i'm doing as scum. How was i nearly modkilled in that game? How DO you play town? Let's talk! Do you read into tone perhaps? Who do you like/dislike? There's this guy named Teemursu who's taking things really seriously at the beginning of day 1. In all seriousness, no reads for me yet as we've just introduced each other. Meatpudding's joke seemed a bit… random, (trying to get things friendly between everyone perhaps?) but I don't think it really means anything. Yeah, I'm probably the most serious person you'll meet on this forum. I actually kinda like this read. Feels like it's coming from a towny perspective. We -are- all new here and some are playing for the first time, and your read has that ring to it. Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:09 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 23:04 Hobbitus wrote:On June 21 2014 22:51 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 22:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:46 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. I don't like this. What don't you like about it? The joke felt forced. Admitting to lurking and not at least saying you'll have more reads later on in the day rings scummy to me. Anyway, I just wanted to ping someone out. Do you have any early reads? Weird that you say that before meatpudding even reacts? But I'm with Templar, too early for me to get any reads. Might've been too early, agreed. I'm probably too used to video mafia's speed. I did get a towny vibe from Templar, though, so it's not like I came out empty-handed. To me, Teemu's willingness to make these reads based on one or two posts seems hasty and irrational. I (semi-seriously) pointed out that Teemu and Templar are likely a scum team trying to make false headway. (Hence my reading of Templar's future posts from that perspective.)Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:17 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:51 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 22:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:46 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. I don't like this. What don't you like about it? The joke felt forced. Admitting to lurking and not at least saying you'll have more reads later on in the day rings scummy to me. Anyway, I just wanted to ping someone out. Do you have any early reads? It's too early for me to have any reads. Seeing as this is Meatpudding's first game i don't think his post was alignment indicative but if he doesn't contribute anything he'll be a good lynch regardless of his alignment. Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:52 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:On June 21 2014 23:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:09 meatpudding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote:
Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes.
I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e.
I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though).
My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar.
I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Since you're wondering, it was a direct response to this post. I usually browse custom maps but don't often post there. What was a direct response to that post? This post was a response to Templar: On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course. Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town? TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. So I didn't specifically call you out. Apparently I got a reaction anyway, which is good, considering I just said I only pinged you out. I don't feel like TheKingOfCats is trying to lynch you at all, and I'm not sure how I should read your defensiveness about that (new player/mafia being pushed). He did give a fence read on you though. Like, It's obvious that we should lynch people who don't contribute at all. He's someone I'm going to keep my eye on. Teemu trying to cover his tracks? Who was the first to suggest I should be lynched? - Teemu. I think that he plays too well to make mistakes like this. The only thing that could excuse him is because I'm a new player, his reads are wrong because I'm not playing the normal way. Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 19:36 Teemursu wrote:Hey guys, I'm here to stomp mafia. Lynch my day 1 scum reads, and we're all good.
I'm in the middle of some video mafia. Hope some discussion is on the way once I come back. My name (Teemu) comes from my mum & dad. Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 12:46 Teemursu wrote:On June 22 2014 08:20 The_Templar wrote:On June 22 2014 08:15 Lord Tolkien wrote:There really isn't much to say right now. All I can say is that Teemursu is my only solid read for me atm (as town). While Nydus has played with him before and says this behavior is alignment-null, he's instigating the scumhunting that town sorely needs early D1. As a result, I would peg him as town (or at least, a non-viable D1 lynch). That being said, I don't agree with any of the early lynch candidates thus far (as in, I don't have a strong enough read on any of them currently), and would rather lynch a lurker at this point in time. That includes scott, because his post was pretty much a non-response. Of Cats or meatpudding, if I had to choose a D1 lynch atm, I'd vote meatpudding solely based on thread contribution.
-Teemu agrees with me and "thinks I'm town", which I always appreciate, but he "thinks I'm town". He could be a town, or a mafia trying to make both of us or just me look mafia. Again, completely ambiguous and I'm not sure.
My general impression of mafia players in my limited experience is that they work to distance themselves as much as possible. I personally do not read too much into it atm; without a flip it's speculation. Personally, I don't know about Teemu, partly because I don't know about video mafia. I'm going to research this further. Scum-hunting isn't essential on day 1; I think it's more of a developing point in the game but that's just my two cents. I don't like Scott's posts very much. It's where I am the strongest in my town play.
Anyway, Cats is finally asking some better questions, so I am moving my focus on ## VOTE MeatpuddingI'm not sure about the Scott bandwagon, but pressuring him is not a bad idea. Teemu would have us believe that his D1 scum reads are infallible. So far he has only made one strong call to mafia (guess who) which seems suspicious to me. He has basically stopped pressuring now that he has made up his mind, and that I have helped convince half of town that I may be scum anyway. Easy lynch for Teemu. Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 21:09 Teemursu wrote:
Meatpudding, I don't even know who Templar is..?
I get a lot of reads based on people's interaction with me (how they accuse me, etc), and so far yours has been very poor. You keep throwing scum at me without giving any explanation or backing up. Which of my reads have been off and how? Do you disagree with some or do you disagree with my reasons for my reads?
Honestly, I'm only trying to give you a chance to project town here by talking about reads, but you keep failing at it, which is making you my top scum read.
Speaking of throwing scum, people have been throwing scum at Scott, and I really wish he didn't become unmotivated as town because mafia pushed on him. >_>
Not the strongest case, all things considered.
The underlined part is very questionable. Teemu specifically said IF, IF you didn't contribute, you would be a good lynch, and then you reacted, which meant you were likely to contribute. I see no inconsistency with those two posts of Teemu's, yet you point out that he's too good to make mistakes. And then you say that we can't trust his scum reads? Really now?
After saying he's wants to analyze me and Cats (which he hasn't done yet…), he feels rushed since there's 30 minutes left (he just wrong a long analysis post on Teemu, which was unrelated to the current lynch) and that he doesn't have a read on MM (which he uses to vote on him anyway…), he posts this:
On June 23 2014 12:52 meatpudding wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 12:41 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 23 2014 12:31 meatpudding wrote:On June 23 2014 12:26 The_Templar wrote:On June 23 2014 12:16 meatpudding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Teemu On June 21 2014 22:51 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 22:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:46 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. I don't like this. What don't you like about it? The joke felt forced. Admitting to lurking and not at least saying you'll have more reads later on in the day rings scummy to me.Anyway, I just wanted to ping someone out. Do you have any early reads? Way to jump to conclusions. Anyway I pointed this out before that I was introducing myself and responding to Templar. On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote:
Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes.
I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e.
I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though).
My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar.
I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Teemu was really quick to start pushing on me at the start and yet 20 mins later making town lean calls on Templar. On June 21 2014 22:59 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 22:53 The_Templar wrote:On June 21 2014 22:48 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 20:57 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 20:48 HaruRH wrote:On June 21 2014 20:41 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Hello people, i have a stupid username. I've been playing mafia on OMGUS (TL's evil twin that's locked in the basement and fed a bucket of fish heads every night) since last october. Between then and now i was somehow voted season 2 best town so if my play is terrible it's pretty much a certainty that i'm scum. Yea your scum play is horrible, to the extent of nearly being modkilled. I hope you aren't going to afk :/ I should be more active this game because i actually know how to play town. I was quiet in my last game because i have no idea what i'm doing as scum. How was i nearly modkilled in that game? How DO you play town? Let's talk! Do you read into tone perhaps? Who do you like/dislike? There's this guy named Teemursu who's taking things really seriously at the beginning of day 1. In all seriousness, no reads for me yet as we've just introduced each other. Meatpudding's joke seemed a bit… random, (trying to get things friendly between everyone perhaps?) but I don't think it really means anything. Yeah, I'm probably the most serious person you'll meet on this forum. I actually kinda like this read. Feels like it's coming from a towny perspective. We -are- all new here and some are playing for the first time, and your read has that ring to it. On June 21 2014 23:09 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:04 Hobbitus wrote:On June 21 2014 22:51 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 22:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:46 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. I don't like this. What don't you like about it? The joke felt forced. Admitting to lurking and not at least saying you'll have more reads later on in the day rings scummy to me. Anyway, I just wanted to ping someone out. Do you have any early reads? Weird that you say that before meatpudding even reacts? But I'm with Templar, too early for me to get any reads. Might've been too early, agreed. I'm probably too used to video mafia's speed. I did get a towny vibe from Templar, though, so it's not like I came out empty-handed. To me, Teemu's willingness to make these reads based on one or two posts seems hasty and irrational. I (semi-seriously) pointed out that Teemu and Templar are likely a scum team trying to make false headway. (Hence my reading of Templar's future posts from that perspective.) On June 21 2014 23:17 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 22:51 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 22:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:46 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. I don't like this. What don't you like about it? The joke felt forced. Admitting to lurking and not at least saying you'll have more reads later on in the day rings scummy to me. Anyway, I just wanted to ping someone out. Do you have any early reads? It's too early for me to have any reads. Seeing as this is Meatpudding's first game i don't think his post was alignment indicative but if he doesn't contribute anything he'll be a good lynch regardless of his alignment. On June 21 2014 23:52 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:On June 21 2014 23:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:09 meatpudding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote:
Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes.
I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e.
I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though).
My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar.
I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Since you're wondering, it was a direct response to this post. I usually browse custom maps but don't often post there. What was a direct response to that post? This post was a response to Templar: On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course. Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town? TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. So I didn't specifically call you out. Apparently I got a reaction anyway, which is good, considering I just said I only pinged you out. I don't feel like TheKingOfCats is trying to lynch you at all, and I'm not sure how I should read your defensiveness about that (new player/mafia being pushed). He did give a fence read on you though. Like, It's obvious that we should lynch people who don't contribute at all. He's someone I'm going to keep my eye on. Teemu trying to cover his tracks? Who was the first to suggest I should be lynched? - Teemu. I think that he plays too well to make mistakes like this. The only thing that could excuse him is because I'm a new player, his reads are wrong because I'm not playing the normal way. On June 21 2014 19:36 Teemursu wrote:Hey guys, I'm here to stomp mafia. Lynch my day 1 scum reads, and we're all good.
I'm in the middle of some video mafia. Hope some discussion is on the way once I come back. My name (Teemu) comes from my mum & dad. On June 22 2014 12:46 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 08:20 The_Templar wrote:On June 22 2014 08:15 Lord Tolkien wrote:There really isn't much to say right now. All I can say is that Teemursu is my only solid read for me atm (as town). While Nydus has played with him before and says this behavior is alignment-null, he's instigating the scumhunting that town sorely needs early D1. As a result, I would peg him as town (or at least, a non-viable D1 lynch). That being said, I don't agree with any of the early lynch candidates thus far (as in, I don't have a strong enough read on any of them currently), and would rather lynch a lurker at this point in time. That includes scott, because his post was pretty much a non-response. Of Cats or meatpudding, if I had to choose a D1 lynch atm, I'd vote meatpudding solely based on thread contribution.
-Teemu agrees with me and "thinks I'm town", which I always appreciate, but he "thinks I'm town". He could be a town, or a mafia trying to make both of us or just me look mafia. Again, completely ambiguous and I'm not sure.
My general impression of mafia players in my limited experience is that they work to distance themselves as much as possible. I personally do not read too much into it atm; without a flip it's speculation. Personally, I don't know about Teemu, partly because I don't know about video mafia. I'm going to research this further. Scum-hunting isn't essential on day 1; I think it's more of a developing point in the game but that's just my two cents. I don't like Scott's posts very much. It's where I am the strongest in my town play.
Anyway, Cats is finally asking some better questions, so I am moving my focus on ## VOTE MeatpuddingI'm not sure about the Scott bandwagon, but pressuring him is not a bad idea. Teemu would have us believe that his D1 scum reads are infallible. So far he has only made one strong call to mafia (guess who) which seems suspicious to me. He has basically stopped pressuring now that he has made up his mind, and that I have helped convince half of town that I may be scum anyway. Easy lynch for Teemu. On June 22 2014 21:09 Teemursu wrote:
Meatpudding, I don't even know who Templar is..?
I get a lot of reads based on people's interaction with me (how they accuse me, etc), and so far yours has been very poor. You keep throwing scum at me without giving any explanation or backing up. Which of my reads have been off and how? Do you disagree with some or do you disagree with my reasons for my reads?
Honestly, I'm only trying to give you a chance to project town here by talking about reads, but you keep failing at it, which is making you my top scum read.
Speaking of throwing scum, people have been throwing scum at Scott, and I really wish he didn't become unmotivated as town because mafia pushed on him. >_>
Not the strongest case, all things considered. Cool, but can you please offer your insight on you vs MM? Teemu isn't quite relevant right now I think. Yes, I know. I also want to write up my thoughts on you and Cats. I'm keeping up with the thread but I don't have a read on MM. Other than what Tolkien said about lurkers being scum, I don't know. I have the net 30mins free but only so much I can type. I'm basically voting to save myself and help town. Do you not even have an opinion on my case against MM? I kind of skimmed it. Seems like your case was just based around how he claimed to have read you? He seems to have drawn conclusions without much interaction. I certainly don't get what Tolkien and MM have to do with one another, and Tolkien is taking steps as far away from him as possible. Anyway I can't follow MM's process at all. I'm not sure, but I hope you guys know what you're doing. ##Vote: MysteryMeat1
You're rushed, so you spend 20 minutes to skim one case and then blindly vote with the rest of the people on MM despite not being "sure". Definitely not what I would do with a crucial 20 minutes if I was a secondary lynch target.
On June 23 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 21:41 The_Templar wrote:On June 23 2014 12:31 meatpudding wrote:On June 23 2014 12:26 The_Templar wrote:On June 23 2014 12:16 meatpudding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Teemu On June 21 2014 22:51 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 22:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:46 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. I don't like this. What don't you like about it? The joke felt forced. Admitting to lurking and not at least saying you'll have more reads later on in the day rings scummy to me.Anyway, I just wanted to ping someone out. Do you have any early reads? Way to jump to conclusions. Anyway I pointed this out before that I was introducing myself and responding to Templar. On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote:
Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes.
I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e.
I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though).
My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar.
I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Teemu was really quick to start pushing on me at the start and yet 20 mins later making town lean calls on Templar. On June 21 2014 22:59 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 22:53 The_Templar wrote:On June 21 2014 22:48 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 20:57 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 20:48 HaruRH wrote:On June 21 2014 20:41 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Hello people, i have a stupid username. I've been playing mafia on OMGUS (TL's evil twin that's locked in the basement and fed a bucket of fish heads every night) since last october. Between then and now i was somehow voted season 2 best town so if my play is terrible it's pretty much a certainty that i'm scum. Yea your scum play is horrible, to the extent of nearly being modkilled. I hope you aren't going to afk :/ I should be more active this game because i actually know how to play town. I was quiet in my last game because i have no idea what i'm doing as scum. How was i nearly modkilled in that game? How DO you play town? Let's talk! Do you read into tone perhaps? Who do you like/dislike? There's this guy named Teemursu who's taking things really seriously at the beginning of day 1. In all seriousness, no reads for me yet as we've just introduced each other. Meatpudding's joke seemed a bit… random, (trying to get things friendly between everyone perhaps?) but I don't think it really means anything. Yeah, I'm probably the most serious person you'll meet on this forum. I actually kinda like this read. Feels like it's coming from a towny perspective. We -are- all new here and some are playing for the first time, and your read has that ring to it. On June 21 2014 23:09 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:04 Hobbitus wrote:On June 21 2014 22:51 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 22:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:46 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. I don't like this. What don't you like about it? The joke felt forced. Admitting to lurking and not at least saying you'll have more reads later on in the day rings scummy to me. Anyway, I just wanted to ping someone out. Do you have any early reads? Weird that you say that before meatpudding even reacts? But I'm with Templar, too early for me to get any reads. Might've been too early, agreed. I'm probably too used to video mafia's speed. I did get a towny vibe from Templar, though, so it's not like I came out empty-handed. To me, Teemu's willingness to make these reads based on one or two posts seems hasty and irrational. I (semi-seriously) pointed out that Teemu and Templar are likely a scum team trying to make false headway. (Hence my reading of Templar's future posts from that perspective.) On June 21 2014 23:17 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 22:51 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 22:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:46 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. I don't like this. What don't you like about it? The joke felt forced. Admitting to lurking and not at least saying you'll have more reads later on in the day rings scummy to me. Anyway, I just wanted to ping someone out. Do you have any early reads? It's too early for me to have any reads. Seeing as this is Meatpudding's first game i don't think his post was alignment indicative but if he doesn't contribute anything he'll be a good lynch regardless of his alignment. On June 21 2014 23:52 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:On June 21 2014 23:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:09 meatpudding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote:
Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes.
I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e.
I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though).
My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar.
I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Since you're wondering, it was a direct response to this post. I usually browse custom maps but don't often post there. What was a direct response to that post? This post was a response to Templar: On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course. Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town? TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. So I didn't specifically call you out. Apparently I got a reaction anyway, which is good, considering I just said I only pinged you out. I don't feel like TheKingOfCats is trying to lynch you at all, and I'm not sure how I should read your defensiveness about that (new player/mafia being pushed). He did give a fence read on you though. Like, It's obvious that we should lynch people who don't contribute at all. He's someone I'm going to keep my eye on. Teemu trying to cover his tracks? Who was the first to suggest I should be lynched? - Teemu. I think that he plays too well to make mistakes like this. The only thing that could excuse him is because I'm a new player, his reads are wrong because I'm not playing the normal way. On June 21 2014 19:36 Teemursu wrote:Hey guys, I'm here to stomp mafia. Lynch my day 1 scum reads, and we're all good.
I'm in the middle of some video mafia. Hope some discussion is on the way once I come back. My name (Teemu) comes from my mum & dad. On June 22 2014 12:46 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 08:20 The_Templar wrote:On June 22 2014 08:15 Lord Tolkien wrote:There really isn't much to say right now. All I can say is that Teemursu is my only solid read for me atm (as town). While Nydus has played with him before and says this behavior is alignment-null, he's instigating the scumhunting that town sorely needs early D1. As a result, I would peg him as town (or at least, a non-viable D1 lynch). That being said, I don't agree with any of the early lynch candidates thus far (as in, I don't have a strong enough read on any of them currently), and would rather lynch a lurker at this point in time. That includes scott, because his post was pretty much a non-response. Of Cats or meatpudding, if I had to choose a D1 lynch atm, I'd vote meatpudding solely based on thread contribution.
-Teemu agrees with me and "thinks I'm town", which I always appreciate, but he "thinks I'm town". He could be a town, or a mafia trying to make both of us or just me look mafia. Again, completely ambiguous and I'm not sure.
My general impression of mafia players in my limited experience is that they work to distance themselves as much as possible. I personally do not read too much into it atm; without a flip it's speculation. Personally, I don't know about Teemu, partly because I don't know about video mafia. I'm going to research this further. Scum-hunting isn't essential on day 1; I think it's more of a developing point in the game but that's just my two cents. I don't like Scott's posts very much. It's where I am the strongest in my town play.
Anyway, Cats is finally asking some better questions, so I am moving my focus on ## VOTE MeatpuddingI'm not sure about the Scott bandwagon, but pressuring him is not a bad idea. Teemu would have us believe that his D1 scum reads are infallible. So far he has only made one strong call to mafia (guess who) which seems suspicious to me. He has basically stopped pressuring now that he has made up his mind, and that I have helped convince half of town that I may be scum anyway. Easy lynch for Teemu. On June 22 2014 21:09 Teemursu wrote:
Meatpudding, I don't even know who Templar is..?
I get a lot of reads based on people's interaction with me (how they accuse me, etc), and so far yours has been very poor. You keep throwing scum at me without giving any explanation or backing up. Which of my reads have been off and how? Do you disagree with some or do you disagree with my reasons for my reads?
Honestly, I'm only trying to give you a chance to project town here by talking about reads, but you keep failing at it, which is making you my top scum read.
Speaking of throwing scum, people have been throwing scum at Scott, and I really wish he didn't become unmotivated as town because mafia pushed on him. >_>
Not the strongest case, all things considered. Cool, but can you please offer your insight on you vs MM? Teemu isn't quite relevant right now I think. Yes, I know. I also want to write up my thoughts on you and Cats. I'm keeping up with the thread but I don't have a read on MM. Other than what Tolkien said about lurkers being scum, I don't know. I have the net 30mins free but only so much I can type. I'm basically voting to save myself and help town. Since you didn't do anything about you and MM, can I see these thoughts or are you going to do nothing this night? I was going through KotC's posts when the lynch was taking place. I kind of couldn't make up my mind, even after MM flipped. I was not happy to vote for MM, because the case against him didn't convince me completely. His own reactions caused a lot of suspicion though. I can't call Cats or Tolkien scum based on that alone. Right now my thoughts are Teemu - potential scum Tolkien - potential scum Cats - fence Templar - town
And presto! I have magically turned back into a town read! He practically alternates calling me scummish and townish, while otherwise practically ignoring me in his analysis posts.
Tolkien:
First, read this post for my initial feelings about tolkien.
Now that you've ignored/pretended to read all of that, here's the next post he made:
On June 23 2014 09:28 Lord Tolkien wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 07:00 Hobbitus wrote:On June 23 2014 06:43 Lord Tolkien wrote:
*final appended note, I'm unsure about Teemu now. A change from my solid town read earlier, though I think I need to reread his filter a couple more times. Please share your thoughts after you read his filter! I am not quite sure what to think about him (slightly scummy for now), and would love a second opinion. Or teemu could just post some more. Alright, reviewing it from the top, I really just don't feel he's been forward with his opinions in the second half. The majority of his posts have been pressing questions and opinions from people, which is fine, but he hasn't done much after that. Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 16:15 Teemursu wrote:
TOWN:
Nydus
jabber
LEANING TOWN:
Scott
Templar
FENCE:
TheKingOfCats
LEANING SCUM:
Meatpudding
SCUM:
Get to posting!
Not sure yet where I should put Haru yet. I will read his filter in a few hours, but so far I'm leaning town on him. Some explanation for some of the reads would be greatly appreciated. Specifically jabber. Also, quick response to Glowbear: Show nested quote +I think he has no grounds on Scott and his "lynch all lurkers" policy worries me. As one of the guides said, it's a common blue strategy to lurk. But that's not the main point.
The main point is: if you are Mafia and you have Mafia partners lurking, would you risk forcing this "lynch all lurkers" policy? I don't think so. Now, if you are Mafia and all your partners are on the game, what would you do? Force the policy so you could lynch a blue, as lurking is a common blue strategy.
Moreover, if you are convincend I am town, this means that lurkers definetely weren't all Mafia, which would mean that Mafia strategy of lynching lurkers is a huge possibility.
Again, saying "As for the possibility of hitting a lurking blue role or whatever, it is a risk" worries me the most. Would you take the risk to take a cop out of the game instead of trying to identify active scum?
Because of these, I have a strong scumread on Tolkien He is still forcing this policy by now. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/301748-a-general-guide-to-mafiaShow nested quote +When you find out that you have a blue role, the general knee-jerk reaction is that you are too important to the town to risk being lynched or shot by the mafia. This can cause people with blue roles to lurk and exhibit posts that suggest “fear”. However, a good player with a blue role will appear exactly like he is a townie, though this is not easy to do. When you have a blue role, you should be posting as if you are a townie. The only difference is that you are more well-informed than other townies. Use that knowledge to aid the town without letting a feeling of your importance as a blue role alter your posting habits. If you are lurking as a blue, YOU'RE NOT PLAYING WELL. All you're doing is drawing attention to yourself by conspicuously not posting anything. There is no tangible benefit to lurking for town, as we can't figure out alignment and shit. PLAYING BLUE IS NOT AN EXCUSE FOR PLAYING BAD. So if I have to light a fire under your arses, fine. For D1, this is a perfectly sound policy. Anything regarding my push onto Scott is well-tread ground, so unless you have anything new to ask or to add, that's a beaten horse. It's a difficult vote for me right now. Until I get an acceptable defense that isn't an OMGUS, meatpudding is a pretty scummy candidate no matter my potential misgivings of Teemu. The only other option for me I is jabberwocky given the aforementioned discrepancies in his filter and shifting opinions. I want an explanation for it, but it's far less egregious than meatpudding's posts. Which are basically just OMGUS, and pretty useless from a town standpoint. A vote on meatpudding would additionally clear up my muddled picture of Teemu, and a few others, who are currently on him, based on his flip. But it also feels bluntly plausible that' he's just a poor newbie who's struggling to learn the game, since he's pretty blatantly OMGUSing here. But then again he'll be useless in that case so... Well, actually I really like Cats' recent posts and I agree with him on MysteryMeat's apparent discrepancy about our lynching policy towards non-contribution and lurkers. I'd like him to respond to it, because it's a pretty glaring difference when I was way more over the top with my stance on the issue. Probably a D2 case to bring up overall, but I actually VERY much like the case Cats brought up. I also didn't notice that we both proposed the same policy, him bringing it up first. Outside of the apparent frenzy over his introduction, he's leaning town to me now. Noticeably: Show nested quote +King of the cats:
I honestly really don't like him, seems super scummy, in one of his arguments on lynching, he mentions that he doesn't care about alignment. If you can push a mislynch day1, then you can kill a stronger player in the night. Top scum at the moment.
Show nested quote +tolkien: The only thing i didn't like was that he said he didn't like cats or meatpudding, and i felt like his post read that he didn't like cats more, but then he votes on meatpudding, Find it a little weird, but nothing other than that. Ok you know what, fuck it. It is a VERY glaring inconsistency for MysteryMeat1 to condemn Cats for the possibility of a mislynch and not my push. The post is too reminiscent of my experience with N1k0 in my first TL mafia game. As much as I hate it since I really do want to lynch meatpudding for being a useless fucker, but... ##Vote MysteryMeat1It's a tough choice, honestly. Moderately strong scum read vs. scummy read/pretty useless contributor. But this is what my gut says. Also, glumly awaiting modkills on the 2 inactives (or a swap; 2 modkills is fucking brutal).
Besides being TotalBiscuit (read the paragraph about lurking as blue and the one after that in TB's voice), he does the following:
-Telling blues to post more. I don't think this ended up doing anything helpful, but he did state pretty clearly that his policy was to lynch the most unhelpful people and that blues should make sure they're as helpful as they need to be, so this isn't particularly bad.
-Says meatpudding is pretty scummy, and if he isn't, he's not useful.
-Said "fuck it" and voted MysteryMeat because of a very glaring inconsistency in his posting (Personally, my reason was much different and more difficult for me, although he had difficulty with it too). He should go after meatpudding tomorrow, anything else at this point would definitely be super bizarre considering meatpudding hasn't done much.
He then argues with MysteryMeat, which convinced him further due to nearly random posts at that point.
And then, when Meatpudding suddenly disappears, he tries to have his pudding and eat it. A bit greedy… at this point my town read started to weaken due to how aggressively he'd been trying to get them both lynched, considering they are both suspicious to quite a lot of us at this point.
His next post, however, lines up with the "be active, don't talk about being blue, just be town if you're blue" core of his game plan.
On June 23 2014 13:02 Lord Tolkien wrote:
I will probably be going to sleep/doing other shit after the flips. I've sunk way too much time into this today. One note:
REMEMBER GUYS, talk and post at night. Obv don't talk about stupid shit like WHO'S BLUE, or WHO SHOULD COP CHECK/MEDIC PROTECT/CAPTAIN PLANET SMASH? But talking at night is something that town should absolutely still be doing.
I'll do what I did in my past newbie games and post a comprehensive night analysis post just as it's about to end.
This was completely ignored by GlowingBear (more on that tomorrow if he does anything else scummy). However, I look forwards to the mentioned analysis post, which will probably confirm my town read on him along with this:
On June 24 2014 06:37 Lord Tolkien wrote:Alright, I'll be back watching this thread sporadically, and I'll post the brunt of my analysis towards the end of the night. That being said, I have a few clarifications to make for Teemu, and an addendum to the (failed) case on MM1. To fully elaborate on the reasons I pushed it: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/450895-newbie-mini-mafia-lvi?page=23#459http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/450895-newbie-mini-mafia-lvi?page=24#461In his initial reads list, he said this: Show nested quote +King of the cats:
I honestly really don't like him, seems super scummy, in one of his arguments on lynching, he mentions that he doesn't care about alignment. If you can push a mislynch day1, then you can kill a stronger player in the night. Top scum at the moment. But later, when pressed on me by Haru, said: Show nested quote +tolkien: The only thing i didn't like was that he said he didn't like cats or meatpudding, and i felt like his post read that he didn't like cats more, but then he votes on meatpudding, Find it a little weird, but nothing other than that. At this time, I had already made my case on Scott at least 12 hours ago I think. KotC points it out, and I agreed with him wholeheartedly. He finds KotCs his top scum for being fine with a lynch of a non-contributor yet said he didn't have any feelings about me, when I start a lynch of an effective non-contributor (and push for a lurker lynch policy), and stated that a mislynch is an acceptable risk in D1 without a strong scum read. When I actually noticed KotCs state this, it seemed eminently impossible to me that he would be able to hone in on KotCs for that policy and make him his top scum choice, while completely ignoring me, as I was far louder telegraphing my intentions about it in the thread than KotC did. I, and apparently others, didn't notice KotC make that statement either. I felt at the time that this was far to glaring to ignore, given there were votes onto KotC and he was under suspicion and, at the time, everyone had read me as on the fence. I considered it a very plausible motive, and a clear explanation for why he didn't vote for me (he was scum hoping to blend in). At the time, my only other major scumread was meatpudding, and I had a stronger read on MM1. It was, as I noted, a very tough choice and I wondered if MM1 could've been a better D2 case. I stopped pushing after I made my initial case to support KotC after I pushed this theory and case, since I didn't want to tunnel it completely onto him, as meatpudding was also an acceptable lynch and I REALLY wanted to hear from both of them. I made some unnecessary cutting remarks, but really from that point on, he hung himself with his own posts, and it was Cats and everyone else who did most of the pushing. There's quite frankly not much else I can say when he posts really confusing shit like me and him having a potential relationship; as I stated, wat is the relevance to anything if you're speculating about a potential relationship on D1 about a period of time between when you made your first reads list and when I pushed the case on you. I think we spent at least a good 30 minutes trying to figure that out, which unfortunately detracted from his defense to the point where enough people decided his flailing was too confusing as I did. I was fairly certain he was scum up until the flip, but by that point, I was fine with him dying even if he was town because I couldn't understand his arguments by that point. <_<; In hindsight, he likely simply didn't read the thread where I started the wagon on Scott well enough and pushed onto KotC with the most concrete piece of "evidence" he could've. But again, I stand by my reasons for voting MM1 at the time. As for a pre-emptive defense of myself, where do I make such posts? I don't recall making such posts at all D1, but I might've done so. It was an exhausting 1/2 of the day for me. Partially why I stopped seriously pushing the case on MM1. I'll be quite honest, I would rather have heard from you, Teemu, before the flip. Accusations are easy now after flips have been made, so I would've much rather have heard from you while the case is in-progress; it would be much more enlightening to your motives and your opinions. Grilling me is a natural position after I had such a heavy hand in the MM1 lynch, so I really can't read anything off this. But time constraints and timezones, I understand. Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 19:50 Teemursu wrote:This reason keeps coming up again and again when Tolkien and Cats both defend their case/accuse MM1. To put it simply, why focus on it so hard? Since MM1 flipped green, it almost sounds like they had to pre-emptively defend their case on something they knew would be a mislynch. Did MM1 actually not push on Tolkien at all? I'm still not sure how much things would be different, if he had. Show nested quote +My overall read is that he it's scummy to accuse/vote him while everyone else is on the fence with him or leaning scum. The way and the amount of "WHY ME?! AND NOT TOLKIEN" I read from this makes me lean way scummier on him. It understand KotC and both Tolkien had this as one of their reasons to literally bury MM1. At this point I didn't really see as to why it would be so weird to push on KotC instead of Tolkien from MM1's perspective, since both are basically as valid for pushing to either get reads or try to lynch scum. If anyone can help me correct myself with a potential misread, please do! The initial reads list, he didn't at all after he decided to decry KotCs for being top scum for an lynch-of-non-contributors policy, when he says absolutely nothing about me, except something confusing about me thinking Cats was scummier than meatpudding and that's it. He decided he was NEUTRAL on me, which made no sense given the context of his vote. In hindsight it was just a major glaring error on his part, but the major lapse of consistency made me eminently suspicious at the time. Think about it yourself. If you had read his initial reads (+ what Haru pushed for) at the time, what would you have thought? Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 20:33 Teemursu wrote:On June 23 2014 12:57 Lord Tolkien wrote:
But no seriously you're fine, just...you need to work on making sense. If you are town, such a glaring discrepancy in analysis like what you did will get you punished unless it was deliberate (and you'll get punished for that too, like I learned my last newbie mafia gaem <_< ). And you really need to work on making sense. Because I still can't follow your line of thinking in your defense afterwards.
If you're scum, die. I want you to stop flip-flopping on MeatPudding. This isn't updating your own reads, as Nydus said. It sounds more like being unsettled to call your scum partner one way or the other. You say he's fine, and you coach him on how to play better as town. But just in case he's scum, you tell him to die. I'm saying you're not fine, and that you need to dig yourself out from the hole you've jumped in to by making this case on MM1 on weak basis. By making the case based on him having discrepancy in analysis and not making much sense, while these are the exact same things MeatPudding should be accused of, and you still think he is "fine". You most certainly are scum, and you need to die. ????? I was referring to MM1, not meatpudding (and IF he's bad town, parts of it still do). I should've quoted the post I was referring to, but I was tired, but here's the context post I was responding to. Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 12:54 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
well as it is pretty apparent my time is near, i would like to apologize to anyone i may have offended with my posts, namely
Cats: dont actually think your a retard
Epishade: soz By "fine" I was referring to his conduct, which is fine. Mafia can be pretty aggressive, and he didn't do anything out of line. (If anyone did, it was probably me) I clarify that later too. Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 13:00 Lord Tolkien wrote:
at MM1.
You apply too, though you aren't dead. Make some fking sense tonight/tomorrow and stop OMGUSing. There is a potential for a case on Teemu, but good lord man. My stance on meatpudding didn't change throughout the entirety of D1: he would've been an acceptable lynch for me as well, I just felt I had a stronger read on MM1. I would've preferred it if they both died, and have/had nothing against lynching him. And as you mentioned Haru, the cases on both of them were certainly very similar (why I spent so much time debating which one to move my vote to after pressuring Scott [who now appears to be AWOL]), I simply felt that MM1 was more likely scum.
Ill answer any questions as I see them from now until the end of night.
This is a really defensive post, but his response to Teemu was fantastic and very clear. I have one problem, though, with the bolded post. Earlier, he said that
It's a tough choice, honestly. Moderately strong scum read vs. scummy read/pretty useless contributor.
So… why are the cases similar, exactly? Would love to hear it.
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Woke up, reading through the thread.
On June 24 2014 12:50 meatpudding wrote:
Templar why do you think Tolkien should go after me D2, and not, for example, Cats?
I don't think it would be weird if he decided to go after someone else if he had a good reason.
He stressed how close his decision between you and mystery was. When I wrote that post, I don't recall you doing anything of note that evening (I'm tired, I'll have to check that), so he would have no reason to change his decision.
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I was jailed last night.
Epishade's post seems to be coming under fire for ignoring some other possibilities that would require a very deceptive mafia.
On June 24 2014 23:24 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2014 14:35 Epishade wrote:
Ermm, I was really not expecting Token to get shot, of all people. I expected either myself, Haruhi, or Templar to die tbh, as we've all been townread for the majority of the game by most people. Token could have been a potential case if someone were to call him out, so I have a hard time rationalizing why mafia would shoot Token over someone more townie.
The only way I can see Token's shot being justified is if mafia thought he was on the right track and shot him to get rid of him, because objectively, that looked like a bad shot to me. You usually shoot people that have little chance of getting lynched for reading townie, but there seemed to be enough suspicion on Token (or at least, more than the three people I listed above) for me to think that that wasn't the reason he was shot.
There are a few people that Token scumreads over day 1, and I think that probably played a part in his death.
His scumreads:
JabberZerg (initially, then changed his mind to a townread at 4:00, which wouldn't have given mafia time to change their shot if JabberZerg wanted to keep Token alive for townreading him, assuming that Jabber is mafia)
meatpudding
Teemursu
Cats
His townreads:
Haruhi
Templar
me
Hobbit (only in his post at 4:00)
Fence reads:
Nydus
Dunno reads:
GlowBear
Other peoples
So I think the cases should probably be focused on people in his scum list at this point. I mean, he did say for people to look at me, GlowBear, and Nydus day 2 in his 4:02 post, but I'm not considering these specifically right now because they came too late to be able to influence mafia, and I'm only looking at the reasoning for shooting Token here over someone else.
He also asked me to post my reads on him, Cats, and meatpudding at this point, too, but I woke up too early today and am dead tired. I'll post my reads on everybody I have reads for sometime tomorrow after I wake up.
Night all. Your post strike me as odd. It's because the scenario you've brought isn't the only one possible. Possible scenarios are: 1) Tolkien was on the right track and asking the right questions, so it was better for Mafia to make him shut up. This is too simplistic, it would easily lead townies to lynch the right people. I don't think Mafia would do this. 2) Tolkien wasn't on the right track but being shot would lead town to misread other townies. This one seems more plausible to me. 3) My stupid mistake made them change their top townies change targets to someone who had more scumreads 4) Top townies are actually very good scums and they killed at random (I think this is too much) As I think (2) is more plausible, your post striked me as odd because you seem to push (1) as the only possible interpretation, leading townies to misreads and, therefore, to mislynchs. I'll keep an eye on you.
I was going to reply something similar to this in response to Epishade's post. We can't assume that the mafia is trying to cover their tracks, as that doesn't cover half the possibilities.
1) If it's too simple, do you think 2 or 3 of JabberZerg, meatpudding, Teemursu, Cats are mafia? And where would you begin with that list?
2) This is, indeed, more likely, but again that doesn't lead us anywhere, except we can assume only one of those four, at most, are mafia. So if we lynch meatpudding and he flips red then it will be likely those other 3 are town.
3) I don't understand this one, can you clarify further?
4) Very unlikely, considering this is a newbie game.
It's also possible that I was targeted by the mafia and Tolkien was killed by a vigilante. But that's somewhat unlikely as well.
On June 24 2014 21:49 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2014 14:35 Epishade wrote:
Ermm, I was really not expecting Token to get shot, of all people. I expected either myself, Haruhi, or Templar to die tbh, as we've all been townread for the majority of the game by most people. Token could have been a potential case if someone were to call him out, so I have a hard time rationalizing why mafia would shoot Token over someone more townie.
The only way I can see Token's shot being justified is if mafia thought he was on the right track and shot him to get rid of him, because objectively, that looked like a bad shot to me. You usually shoot people that have little chance of getting lynched for reading townie, but there seemed to be enough suspicion on Token (or at least, more than the three people I listed above) for me to think that that wasn't the reason he was shot.
There are a few people that Token scumreads over day 1, and I think that probably played a part in his death.
His scumreads:
JabberZerg (initially, then changed his mind to a townread at 4:00, which wouldn't have given mafia time to change their shot if JabberZerg wanted to keep Token alive for townreading him, assuming that Jabber is mafia)
meatpudding
Teemursu
Cats
His townreads:
Haruhi
Templar
me
Hobbit (only in his post at 4:00)
Fence reads:
Nydus
Dunno reads:
GlowBear
Other peoples
So I think the cases should probably be focused on people in his scum list at this point. I mean, he did say for people to look at me, GlowBear, and Nydus day 2 in his 4:02 post, but I'm not considering these specifically right now because they came too late to be able to influence mafia, and I'm only looking at the reasoning for shooting Token here over someone else.
He also asked me to post my reads on him, Cats, and meatpudding at this point, too, but I woke up too early today and am dead tired. I'll post my reads on everybody I have reads for sometime tomorrow after I wake up.
Night all. First of all you're assuming that scum shot Tolkien, it's possible that scum got jailed/roleblocked and the vig shot Tolkien. Tolkien being shot because be suspected the right people makes little sense but lets analyze it a bit. If me or meatpudding are scum it would be pointless to shoot him for suspecting us because half the game does, if either of us were to shoot him it wouldn't change anything for us and it would actually be detrimental for us to do that as scum because Tolkien was looking scummy to a lot of people too and he would've been one of the easier people to push for a mislynch. seeing as him, me and meatpudding were the main lynch candidates today we wouldn't kill one of our most valid chances to escape a lynch. Teemu, well this one's simple. If he was going to shoot someone for being "on" to him it would've been meatpudding because meatpudding's been on him more. Why would he shoot Tolkien over meatpudding? Why would he shoot either of them for that matter? They were both suspicious to a lot of people and he wasn't. As for Jabber...i dunno. He seems to be on a few peoples radars if i remember correctly, it would make more sense to shoot one of them for being "on" to him as opposed to one of the lynch candidates. It really doesn't make sense for scum to shoot him especially for the reason you posted. Personally i think the less likely situation of scum's NK being blocked and a Vig targeting Tolkien is more likely.
The bolded part is extremely good. A lot of people on that scum list were scummy to a lot of people, and would want to keep tolkien around to make sure he would get attention from his somewhat aggressive MM lynch (I thought this made him more townish to me at the end), which was scummy to a lot of people. So they have no reason to bother killing him.
On June 24 2014 22:12 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2014 22:04 Teemursu wrote:
From an hour to three hours, generally. Day is from 15 to 30 minutes and night is maybe 5 minutes?
Could you instead post and reference my analysis on day 1?
I'll probably start reading and answering in about three hours. Thank you. That means you townreading Templar so quickly isn't scummy. I'll be looking through your and everyone else's filters a bit later (i started looking through your filter yesterday and that's what made me ask meatpudding all those questions). I just came in to check the thread after waking up, effort will be applied in...lets say 3-4 hours.
I thought I said at the beginning that video mafia went pretty quickly and making reads this early was normal there.
I'm still tired and will be reading more into these things later, but I am applying for a job this afternoon and won't have a ton of time like I usually do.
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On June 25 2014 00:42 GlowingBear wrote:
I'll answer you soon, Templar. Before that:
are there any clues on mod posts?
I highly doubt it, considering it was never mentioned.
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On June 25 2014 03:29 Epishade wrote:
I had a feeling I might get some flak for my post earlier, albeit, not in the way I expected.
People are saying that my post is a little scummy for leaving out other scenarios. I did make it before Templar said he was jailed, and also before Haruhi said she was roleblocked. I honestly just didn't even consider that mafia would miss a shot and instead the shot might be from vigi. I also didn't really expect mafia to shoot someone at random, as I don't really think they would shoot someone without putting any thought into it just to screw with us.
I did consider (but didn't include) mafia using wifom in their shot decision in my post, such that we'd think they shot Token for being on the right track, when instead they shot Token because he was on the wrong track and they wanted us to think he was right. But I really didn't think that was the case either. I don't really see that happening in a newbie game, where they might expect that some people might not have even theorized that Token was shot because he was on the right track.
You guys realize too, that if mafia did, in fact, miss their target and vigi shot Token, that either Templar or Haruhi would be scum then, right?
It's also possible, in this scenario, that medic (if there is one) healed the mafia target, or they targeted me and jail protected me.
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On June 25 2014 03:35 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 03:29 Epishade wrote:
I had a feeling I might get some flak for my post earlier, albeit, not in the way I expected.
People are saying that my post is a little scummy for leaving out other scenarios. I did make it before Templar said he was jailed, and also before Haruhi said she was roleblocked. I honestly just didn't even consider that mafia would miss a shot and instead the shot might be from vigi. I also didn't really expect mafia to shoot someone at random, as I don't really think they would shoot someone without putting any thought into it just to screw with us.
I did consider (but didn't include) mafia using wifom in their shot decision in my post, such that we'd think they shot Token for being on the right track, when instead they shot Token because he was on the wrong track and they wanted us to think he was right. But I really didn't think that was the case either. I don't really see that happening in a newbie game, where they might expect that some people might not have even theorized that Token was shot because he was on the right track.
You guys realize too, that if mafia did, in fact, miss their target and vigi shot Token, that either Templar or Haruhi would be scum then, right? It's also possible, in this scenario, that medic (if there is one) healed the mafia target, or they targeted me and jail protected me.
edit: by "they" I mean scum
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On June 25 2014 03:45 Epishade wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 03:35 The_Templar wrote:On June 25 2014 03:29 Epishade wrote:
I had a feeling I might get some flak for my post earlier, albeit, not in the way I expected.
People are saying that my post is a little scummy for leaving out other scenarios. I did make it before Templar said he was jailed, and also before Haruhi said she was roleblocked. I honestly just didn't even consider that mafia would miss a shot and instead the shot might be from vigi. I also didn't really expect mafia to shoot someone at random, as I don't really think they would shoot someone without putting any thought into it just to screw with us.
I did consider (but didn't include) mafia using wifom in their shot decision in my post, such that we'd think they shot Token for being on the right track, when instead they shot Token because he was on the wrong track and they wanted us to think he was right. But I really didn't think that was the case either. I don't really see that happening in a newbie game, where they might expect that some people might not have even theorized that Token was shot because he was on the right track.
You guys realize too, that if mafia did, in fact, miss their target and vigi shot Token, that either Templar or Haruhi would be scum then, right? It's also possible, in this scenario, that medic (if there is one) healed the mafia target, or they targeted me and jail protected me. There is no medic in this game. Actually, I didn't think of that. It does go both ways. I was thinking that if you were jailed and handed the gun, that you wouldn't have been able to shoot somebody while vigi shot Token. You're right. That would also take Haruhi off the table then too, since mafia still could have wasted the shot on you and Haruhi just gets side-roleblocked.
Oh. I didn't examine the role list very carefully, I just assumed there was a medic possible :\
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On June 25 2014 07:26 Solar424 wrote:
Hey. Sorry for being so inactive. I'll try to be more active from here on out.
Ouch. Sorry but you were replaced.
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On June 25 2014 05:57 Tehpoofter wrote:GOOD NEWS FOLKS I have come to save this village from imminent fail. I never should have left Teemu and Nydus in charge. I will give mafia an hour to concede. At which point if our town surrender demands are not met I will begin referring to mafia as wolves to further degrade them and calling them out one by one. I have linked the hero before me's beautiful filter for full analysis: Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 22:48 Solar424 wrote:
Hello. I am new to TL, and this is the first time playing Mafia online, bu I know the rules. RIP Solar424 2014-2014.
Oh good, I guess mafia is surrendering in a few minutes.
On June 25 2014 06:09 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 06:05 Teemursu wrote:
Banks, if there's anything you want to talk about while you're going through the pages, let me know! You may have said it before but who is your top wolf/village. (<<<<<<<<< Please use the following format.
Top Town: Tehpoofter
Town: Mr.White, Colonel Mustard
Wolfy: Professor Plum, Mr. Green
OUTTED WOLF: The Candlestick
The_Templar
KOTC
Hobbitus
Haru*
Tehpoofter
Epishade*
mtamburini, GlowingBear*
Teemu*
Nydus*
Jabberwockzerg
Meatpudding
*Going to talk about these further
mtamburini is in the center, bolded, to draw the line between more mafia and more scum, as I have literally zero clue about his alignment so far (he hasn't posted ). Only the ones in green/red I have any strong feelings about.
Haru: Only not green because he's sort of erratic. He's jumped immediately onto people for small mistakes, which is ok, but he's also sometimes making assumptions (It's not unlikely but he takes it as completely true). He does a lot of extra stuff I wanted to do to look town in my first game, particularly making a list of important posts and asking a LOT of questions, both of which I like this game.
Epishade: He made one suspicious post so far, which knocked him down quite a bit on my list as well as everyone else's.
On June 24 2014 14:35 Epishade wrote:
Ermm, I was really not expecting Token to get shot, of all people. I expected either myself, Haruhi, or Templar to die tbh, as we've all been townread for the majority of the game by most people. Token could have been a potential case if someone were to call him out, so I have a hard time rationalizing why mafia would shoot Token over someone more townie.
The only way I can see Token's shot being justified is if mafia thought he was on the right track and shot him to get rid of him, because objectively, that looked like a bad shot to me. You usually shoot people that have little chance of getting lynched for reading townie, but there seemed to be enough suspicion on Token (or at least, more than the three people I listed above) for me to think that that wasn't the reason he was shot.
There are a few people that Token scumreads over day 1, and I think that probably played a part in his death.
His scumreads:
JabberZerg (initially, then changed his mind to a townread at 4:00, which wouldn't have given mafia time to change their shot if JabberZerg wanted to keep Token alive for townreading him, assuming that Jabber is mafia)
meatpudding
Teemursu
Cats
His townreads:
Haruhi
Templar
me
Hobbit (only in his post at 4:00)
Fence reads:
Nydus
Dunno reads:
GlowBear
Other peoples
So I think the cases should probably be focused on people in his scum list at this point. I mean, he did say for people to look at me, GlowBear, and Nydus day 2 in his 4:02 post, but I'm not considering these specifically right now because they came too late to be able to influence mafia, and I'm only looking at the reasoning for shooting Token here over someone else.
He also asked me to post my reads on him, Cats, and meatpudding at this point, too, but I woke up too early today and am dead tired. I'll post my reads on everybody I have reads for sometime tomorrow after I wake up.
Night all.
Why did he assume that Tolkien's scum list influenced the mafia's decision, and why did he assume that Tolkien's list was even accurate (he didn't ever have a read on him)? Sort of odd… but he has followed up on his promise to post read this day (it's a good list too, you should read it), which is more than a lot of people in this game have done, and admitted he was wrong about his assumptions instead of insisting we were wrong (a lot of people have done this).
GlowingBear:
Null reads galore at the beginning of the game, sort of jumping on stuff a bit late, but does offer some short analysis quite often (more lists the possibilities than concluding anything). Not sure about him.
In addition, this post:
On June 24 2014 03:19 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2014 03:04 HaruRH wrote:On June 24 2014 02:15 GlowingBear wrote:
I think Haru is dangerous because he leads our reads. He ask questions to be answered and, therefore, changes the route of our reasoning. If he is scum, he has got us on his hands.
But I never saw any scum sign in his posts. I think he ask good questions that may help town. So, I think he is townie. please don't think of me this way Haha don't worry, I have good feelings towards you. You sound greeny, even blueish to me. I just like to cover all possibilities. I'd be too naive if I didn't.
Overly casual townie, or subtle scum trying to get town panicking? I bet you can't tell.
Teemu: I don't like a lot of what he's been doing and he's too consistent in this game. He's pretty much been reading me as
town for the whole game, without really clarifying it. After he straightened out what he meant by me being towny earlier, he stopped addressing me completely. Exactly the same situation with Nydus. But when he reads a mafia, he doesn't let go, instead continually emphasizing how much he thinks they're mafia (see meatpudding). And even though he's been trying to take charge of the town, he still used GlowingBear to create a scum read out of Epishade when he had him as on the fence, not really drawing his own conclusions.
Also, what the hell is this?
On June 25 2014 06:26 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 06:25 NydusHerMain wrote:
It's just as hard to read Tehpoofter in forum mafia as it is to read him in video mafia it appears -_- .... I'll have a large writeup in about 2 hours. I want to just make one big post with what I think about everyone in general Great. More posts that I don't want to read.
However, he's really aggressive, friendly and I think he's trying to be/seem helpful so I don't want to put him on my scum list right now.
Nydus: Do something helpful and not directly related to Teemu and I'll move you back to neutral.
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On June 25 2014 07:57 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 05:57 Tehpoofter wrote:GOOD NEWS FOLKS I have come to save this village from imminent fail. I never should have left Teemu and Nydus in charge. I will give mafia an hour to concede. At which point if our town surrender demands are not met I will begin referring to mafia as wolves to further degrade them and calling them out one by one. I have linked the hero before me's beautiful filter for full analysis: On June 21 2014 22:48 Solar424 wrote:
Hello. I am new to TL, and this is the first time playing Mafia online, bu I know the rules. RIP Solar424 2014-2014. Oh good, I guess mafia is surrendering in a few minutes.
Edit: wrote this an hour ago
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On June 25 2014 08:39 The_Templar wrote:
What's an EOD?
Never mind, it's a few posts up :\
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On June 25 2014 09:22 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 09:15 Amiko wrote:Vote Count – Day 2 meatpudding (2): Teemursu, Hobbitus NydusHerMain (1): Tehpoofter Not voting (9): The remainder!
Currently, meatpudding is set to be lynched with 2 votes.
As a reminder for resolving ties - a player becomes the new lynch target when that player has more votes than anyone else.
Please contact the mods if the vote count is incorrect. Thank you!
Day 2 will end in (04:00 GMT (+00:00)). More people need to vote at least to know where people stand please. Not voting=denies town information.
I think my position is fairly obvious, but I'll vote anyway.
##Vote: meatpudding
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On June 25 2014 09:43 GlowingBear wrote:
Poof, can you explain the usefulness of each one of us posting our impressions on everybody?
I would guess that it's easier to keep track of.
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On June 25 2014 09:43 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 09:34 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 25 2014 09:24 Tehpoofter wrote:
@nydus you have multiple posts coming or just that one? I don't want to interrupt your wall of texts crit just curious if you're open for questions. Yeah I'm up for questioning but when Video Mafia starts, my responses are going to be pretty slow. Also I think you're mafia because your filter is shorter than mine and I've only been playing for like 4 hours.
You said your filter would be longer than everyone else's soon D:
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On June 25 2014 09:49 NydusHerMain wrote:EpishadeMeatPuddingTeemuHobbitusJabberWockZergHaruRH (yeah I'm that confused about HaruRH ._.) The_Templar TheKingOfCatsIf the person isn't listed, they haven't said enough for me to remember them in particular. If they aren't on the list, I'm going to say leaning scum but not comfortable voting on. I think my town list is too big but I'll re-evaluate it later. With respect to the EOD, I'll stay up to make sure I make it. I'm also not comfortable voting on TheKingOfCats right now because I feel like he's becoming more and more towny. I was more convinced he was mafia on day 1. I'll start voting when I see something scummy as fuck.
Would you like to explain your reads on Epishade, Jabber, and me in particular?
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Oh, missed the post asking about EOD (I just saw the abbreviation earlier, that's how I know what it meant). I will be here up until right before deadline but not at or after it.
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On June 25 2014 10:03 Tehpoofter wrote:I think instead of calling him KotC we should make him a king of something new i.e. KingoftheClowns. I will be doing this cause it seems fun.
That's mean.
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On June 25 2014 10:19 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 09:59 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 25 2014 09:43 GlowingBear wrote:
Poof, can you explain the usefulness of each one of us posting our impressions on everybody? So I use a lot of people reads to give reads on them. People progressions like I got to X is scum for Y reason. If you have someone listed as Town and then you vote them 20 minutes later and they didn't post you better have had some sort of epiphany. It also is for selfish reasons as I'm just getting into the game kinda seeing where everyone ended up after a full day with a ML and a night kill. Thats a lot of info for people in the game. And while I'm reading through it helps me to gauge people's roles. Why do you think giving reads would be in any way not useful? Also it doesn't have to be on everyone in game but by this point you should have a grasp on a decent amount of those playing that have been talking. I don't expect people to have reads on the inactives like myself (RiP Solar424) and Scott although he did have a bit more of a filter until we've settled in a bit. Also don't forget the EOD thing! Thats important Oh, alright. I thought you wanted from everyone in the game and that sounded strange to me. I have this feeling that it's a mafia thing to request such thing then create a ruckus when someone shifts their opinion on someone they have weak reads just to confuse town. So, here it goes: Templar
Haru
Teemu TheKingOfTheCats Hobbitus [red] Epishade meatpudding2) I'll be here by the EOD Templar, I've been voting and scumreading meatpudding since the beginning. Also, when I revealed my scumread on Epishade, I did before even Teemu mentioned it. By the way, the huge galore on null reads was a response to Haru, who asked me to give a read on everybody reads. I'm not trying to be defensive. I just want to clear this up. Also, just to understand: what is useful to scum to reveal his thoughts on blue?
Ok, I'd like to apologize because I forgot you started a bit late. It makes a lot more sense that you took so long to vote meatpudding (it actually took you a few hours) and that you had so many null reads (because you had just started). (I also have 7 tabs open and perpetually F5ing due to juggling this and WCS, so I am a bit distracted)
I would say it's useful for a scum to reveal his thoughts on blue because it might make town panic and avoid talking about blues/blue actions completely (even though they're part of the game). It's not a huge issue, but more chaos and less focus on anything is generally bad for town.
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On June 25 2014 10:09 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 10:04 The_Templar wrote:On June 25 2014 10:03 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 25 2014 09:56 Teemursu wrote:
I can at least agree with you on KotC.
I think instead of calling him KotC we should make him a king of something new i.e. KingoftheClowns. I will be doing this cause it seems fun. That's mean. I'm a dog person so giving him way cooler names. If it really bugs him I won't but seemed like a fun thing to do.
KingOfTheCanines
No?
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On June 25 2014 10:35 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 10:34 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 25 2014 10:28 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 25 2014 10:09 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 25 2014 10:04 The_Templar wrote:On June 25 2014 10:03 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 25 2014 09:56 Teemursu wrote:
I can at least agree with you on KotC.
I think instead of calling him KotC we should make him a king of something new i.e. KingoftheClowns. I will be doing this cause it seems fun. That's mean. I'm a dog person so giving him way cooler names. If it really bugs him I won't but seemed like a fun thing to do. Call me what you like, it doesn't matter.  TheKingOfScum  Talk in third person more.
Scum doesn't even begin with C, and the words are in the wrong order, fail
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On June 25 2014 10:52 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 10:47 Epishade wrote:On June 25 2014 09:49 NydusHerMain wrote:EpishadeMeatPuddingTeemuHobbitusJabberWockZergHaruRH (yeah I'm that confused about HaruRH ._.) The_Templar TheKingOfCatsIf the person isn't listed, they haven't said enough for me to remember them in particular. If they aren't on the list, I'm going to say leaning scum but not comfortable voting on. I think my town list is too big but I'll re-evaluate it later. With respect to the EOD, I'll stay up to make sure I make it. I'm also not comfortable voting on TheKingOfCats right now because I feel like he's becoming more and more towny. I was more convinced he was mafia on day 1. I'll start voting when I see something scummy as fuck. Honestly, I'm surprised you put me at the top of your list. Even I wouldn't put myself there lol. I read your explanation and, though I'm glad you read me as townie, even I'd still have my suspicions about me if I were in your place over my Token being shot post. To put me over someone who hasn't made anybody suspicious all game, like Templar, who you left null, seems like a strange choice to me. I know I lost a bit of townieness when I posted my Token post. I knew I would before I posted it actually, but I'd rather post information that I thought would be relevant in catching scum and lose townie cred than ignore it altogether due to wifom. Actually, I thought that somebody might bring up the idea that I was scum, and that I shot Token just so I could make that post and throw off town's track, but nobody posted suspicions about that. Instead people posted that I had neglected some scenarios, which is true, too.
I think its more scummy how much you thought about how a couple posts would make you look super scummy and how people might blame you for a death. I haven't read your posts so not sure where I stand but this post seems weird. Good on you for saying that its weird nydus has you as town though. Can you explain why you think LT died then? Like any other theories assuming you weren't scum and shot him.
Lots of people thought that was scummy and he clarified his thought process, I don't see how that's particularly scummy.
He specifically said he didn't worry about what town would think, actually.
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On June 25 2014 11:12 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 11:10 The_Templar wrote:On June 25 2014 10:52 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 25 2014 10:47 Epishade wrote:On June 25 2014 09:49 NydusHerMain wrote:EpishadeMeatPuddingTeemuHobbitusJabberWockZergHaruRH (yeah I'm that confused about HaruRH ._.) The_Templar TheKingOfCatsIf the person isn't listed, they haven't said enough for me to remember them in particular. If they aren't on the list, I'm going to say leaning scum but not comfortable voting on. I think my town list is too big but I'll re-evaluate it later. With respect to the EOD, I'll stay up to make sure I make it. I'm also not comfortable voting on TheKingOfCats right now because I feel like he's becoming more and more towny. I was more convinced he was mafia on day 1. I'll start voting when I see something scummy as fuck. Honestly, I'm surprised you put me at the top of your list. Even I wouldn't put myself there lol. I read your explanation and, though I'm glad you read me as townie, even I'd still have my suspicions about me if I were in your place over my Token being shot post. To put me over someone who hasn't made anybody suspicious all game, like Templar, who you left null, seems like a strange choice to me. I know I lost a bit of townieness when I posted my Token post. I knew I would before I posted it actually, but I'd rather post information that I thought would be relevant in catching scum and lose townie cred than ignore it altogether due to wifom. Actually, I thought that somebody might bring up the idea that I was scum, and that I shot Token just so I could make that post and throw off town's track, but nobody posted suspicions about that. Instead people posted that I had neglected some scenarios, which is true, too.
I think its more scummy how much you thought about how a couple posts would make you look super scummy and how people might blame you for a death. I haven't read your posts so not sure where I stand but this post seems weird. Good on you for saying that its weird nydus has you as town though. Can you explain why you think LT died then? Like any other theories assuming you weren't scum and shot him. Lots of people thought that was scummy and he clarified his thought process, I don't see how that's particularly scummy. He specifically said he didn't worry about what town would think, actually. He said he was worried about how his post would be perceived like specifically.
He said that he thought that someone would bring up a specific scenario, which nobody did. He also posted
I knew I would before I posted it actually, but I'd rather post information that I thought would be relevant in catching scum and lose townie cred than ignore it altogether due to wifom.
^That's not worried.
Are you also referring to a different post when you say this? I'm just looking his feelings from the perspective of that one post.
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On June 25 2014 11:13 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 10:47 Epishade wrote:On June 25 2014 09:49 NydusHerMain wrote:EpishadeMeatPuddingTeemuHobbitusJabberWockZergHaruRH (yeah I'm that confused about HaruRH ._.) The_Templar TheKingOfCatsIf the person isn't listed, they haven't said enough for me to remember them in particular. If they aren't on the list, I'm going to say leaning scum but not comfortable voting on. I think my town list is too big but I'll re-evaluate it later. With respect to the EOD, I'll stay up to make sure I make it. I'm also not comfortable voting on TheKingOfCats right now because I feel like he's becoming more and more towny. I was more convinced he was mafia on day 1. I'll start voting when I see something scummy as fuck. Honestly, I'm surprised you put me at the top of your list. Even I wouldn't put myself there lol. I read your explanation and, though I'm glad you read me as townie, even I'd still have my suspicions about me if I were in your place over my Token being shot post. To put me over someone who hasn't made anybody suspicious all game, like Templar, who you left null, seems like a strange choice to me. I know I lost a bit of townieness when I posted my Token post. I knew I would before I posted it actually, but I'd rather post information that I thought would be relevant in catching scum and lose townie cred than ignore it altogether due to wifom. Actually, I thought that somebody might bring up the idea that I was scum, and that I shot Token just so I could make that post and throw off town's track, but nobody posted suspicions about that. Instead people posted that I had neglected some scenarios, which is true, too. What about the post did you think others would find scummy and were you aware that you neglected some scenarios when you posted it?
Did nobody read the post? T_T
Actually, I thought that somebody might bring up the idea that I was scum, and that I shot Token just so I could make that post and throw off town's track
So, that, and no he wasn't aware according to a previous post he made,
On June 25 2014 03:29 Epishade wrote:
I had a feeling I might get some flak for my post earlier, albeit, not in the way I expected.
People are saying that my post is a little scummy for leaving out other scenarios. I did make it before Templar said he was jailed, and also before Haruhi said she was roleblocked. I honestly just didn't even consider that mafia would miss a shot and instead the shot might be from vigi. I also didn't really expect mafia to shoot someone at random, as I don't really think they would shoot someone without putting any thought into it just to screw with us.
I did consider (but didn't include) mafia using wifom in their shot decision in my post, such that we'd think they shot Token for being on the right track, when instead they shot Token because he was on the wrong track and they wanted us to think he was right. But I really didn't think that was the case either. I don't really see that happening in a newbie game, where they might expect that some people might not have even theorized that Token was shot because he was on the right track.
You guys realize too, that if mafia did, in fact, miss their target and vigi shot Token, that either Templar or Haruhi would be scum then, right?
the bolded parts. He also dismissed the mafia throwing us off, which is sort of weird.
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On June 25 2014 11:21 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 11:14 The_Templar wrote:On June 25 2014 11:12 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 25 2014 11:10 The_Templar wrote:On June 25 2014 10:52 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 25 2014 10:47 Epishade wrote:On June 25 2014 09:49 NydusHerMain wrote:EpishadeMeatPuddingTeemuHobbitusJabberWockZergHaruRH (yeah I'm that confused about HaruRH ._.) The_Templar TheKingOfCatsIf the person isn't listed, they haven't said enough for me to remember them in particular. If they aren't on the list, I'm going to say leaning scum but not comfortable voting on. I think my town list is too big but I'll re-evaluate it later. With respect to the EOD, I'll stay up to make sure I make it. I'm also not comfortable voting on TheKingOfCats right now because I feel like he's becoming more and more towny. I was more convinced he was mafia on day 1. I'll start voting when I see something scummy as fuck. Honestly, I'm surprised you put me at the top of your list. Even I wouldn't put myself there lol. I read your explanation and, though I'm glad you read me as townie, even I'd still have my suspicions about me if I were in your place over my Token being shot post. To put me over someone who hasn't made anybody suspicious all game, like Templar, who you left null, seems like a strange choice to me. I know I lost a bit of townieness when I posted my Token post. I knew I would before I posted it actually, but I'd rather post information that I thought would be relevant in catching scum and lose townie cred than ignore it altogether due to wifom. Actually, I thought that somebody might bring up the idea that I was scum, and that I shot Token just so I could make that post and throw off town's track, but nobody posted suspicions about that. Instead people posted that I had neglected some scenarios, which is true, too.
I think its more scummy how much you thought about how a couple posts would make you look super scummy and how people might blame you for a death. I haven't read your posts so not sure where I stand but this post seems weird. Good on you for saying that its weird nydus has you as town though. Can you explain why you think LT died then? Like any other theories assuming you weren't scum and shot him. Lots of people thought that was scummy and he clarified his thought process, I don't see how that's particularly scummy. He specifically said he didn't worry about what town would think, actually. He said he was worried about how his post would be perceived like specifically. He said that he thought that someone would bring up a specific scenario, which nobody did. He also posted I knew I would before I posted it actually, but I'd rather post information that I thought would be relevant in catching scum and lose townie cred than ignore it altogether due to wifom. ^That's not worried. Are you also referring to a different post when you say this? I'm just looking his feelings from the perspective of that one post. I find as mafia I will a lot of the times be very self aware of what I'm doing and saying and how it will be perceived because I know peoples alignments, what happened with the votes, why people died. So when I talk about them I'm conscious of the fact that people might think of the reason things happened and tie it back to me. I'm not saying what he said proves hes mafia but I don't give him any town points for it at all. Why do you feel the need to so strongly defend him?
My response assumed that you mis-read the post, which it definitely seemed like considering his post directly contradicted what you said. In addition, I've been paying attention to Epishade's posting pattern and he seems very aware of small details in posts that other people miss pretty easily, so I thought it could also affect his posting (combine this with my slightly town read on him).
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On June 25 2014 11:26 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 11:21 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 25 2014 11:14 The_Templar wrote:On June 25 2014 11:12 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 25 2014 11:10 The_Templar wrote:On June 25 2014 10:52 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 25 2014 10:47 Epishade wrote:On June 25 2014 09:49 NydusHerMain wrote:EpishadeMeatPuddingTeemuHobbitusJabberWockZergHaruRH (yeah I'm that confused about HaruRH ._.) The_Templar TheKingOfCatsIf the person isn't listed, they haven't said enough for me to remember them in particular. If they aren't on the list, I'm going to say leaning scum but not comfortable voting on. I think my town list is too big but I'll re-evaluate it later. With respect to the EOD, I'll stay up to make sure I make it. I'm also not comfortable voting on TheKingOfCats right now because I feel like he's becoming more and more towny. I was more convinced he was mafia on day 1. I'll start voting when I see something scummy as fuck. Honestly, I'm surprised you put me at the top of your list. Even I wouldn't put myself there lol. I read your explanation and, though I'm glad you read me as townie, even I'd still have my suspicions about me if I were in your place over my Token being shot post. To put me over someone who hasn't made anybody suspicious all game, like Templar, who you left null, seems like a strange choice to me. I know I lost a bit of townieness when I posted my Token post. I knew I would before I posted it actually, but I'd rather post information that I thought would be relevant in catching scum and lose townie cred than ignore it altogether due to wifom. Actually, I thought that somebody might bring up the idea that I was scum, and that I shot Token just so I could make that post and throw off town's track, but nobody posted suspicions about that. Instead people posted that I had neglected some scenarios, which is true, too.
I think its more scummy how much you thought about how a couple posts would make you look super scummy and how people might blame you for a death. I haven't read your posts so not sure where I stand but this post seems weird. Good on you for saying that its weird nydus has you as town though. Can you explain why you think LT died then? Like any other theories assuming you weren't scum and shot him. Lots of people thought that was scummy and he clarified his thought process, I don't see how that's particularly scummy. He specifically said he didn't worry about what town would think, actually. He said he was worried about how his post would be perceived like specifically. He said that he thought that someone would bring up a specific scenario, which nobody did. He also posted I knew I would before I posted it actually, but I'd rather post information that I thought would be relevant in catching scum and lose townie cred than ignore it altogether due to wifom. ^That's not worried. Are you also referring to a different post when you say this? I'm just looking his feelings from the perspective of that one post. I find as mafia I will a lot of the times be very self aware of what I'm doing and saying and how it will be perceived because I know peoples alignments, what happened with the votes, why people died. So when I talk about them I'm conscious of the fact that people might think of the reason things happened and tie it back to me. I'm not saying what he said proves hes mafia but I don't give him any town points for it at all. Why do you feel the need to so strongly defend him? My response assumed that you mis-read the post, which it definitely seemed like considering his post directly contradicted what you said. In addition, I've been paying attention to Epishade's posting pattern and he seems very aware of small details in posts that other people miss pretty easily, so I thought it could also affect his posting (combine this with my slightly town read on him).
edit: I'm not "strongly defending him". I don't usually defend other people, but I do clarify what they say so they can defend themselves without being mis-interpreted, as is here.
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On June 25 2014 11:27 Epishade wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 11:17 The_Templar wrote:On June 25 2014 11:13 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 25 2014 10:47 Epishade wrote:On June 25 2014 09:49 NydusHerMain wrote:EpishadeMeatPuddingTeemuHobbitusJabberWockZergHaruRH (yeah I'm that confused about HaruRH ._.) The_Templar TheKingOfCatsIf the person isn't listed, they haven't said enough for me to remember them in particular. If they aren't on the list, I'm going to say leaning scum but not comfortable voting on. I think my town list is too big but I'll re-evaluate it later. With respect to the EOD, I'll stay up to make sure I make it. I'm also not comfortable voting on TheKingOfCats right now because I feel like he's becoming more and more towny. I was more convinced he was mafia on day 1. I'll start voting when I see something scummy as fuck. Honestly, I'm surprised you put me at the top of your list. Even I wouldn't put myself there lol. I read your explanation and, though I'm glad you read me as townie, even I'd still have my suspicions about me if I were in your place over my Token being shot post. To put me over someone who hasn't made anybody suspicious all game, like Templar, who you left null, seems like a strange choice to me. I know I lost a bit of townieness when I posted my Token post. I knew I would before I posted it actually, but I'd rather post information that I thought would be relevant in catching scum and lose townie cred than ignore it altogether due to wifom. Actually, I thought that somebody might bring up the idea that I was scum, and that I shot Token just so I could make that post and throw off town's track, but nobody posted suspicions about that. Instead people posted that I had neglected some scenarios, which is true, too. What about the post did you think others would find scummy and were you aware that you neglected some scenarios when you posted it? Did nobody read the post? T_T Actually, I thought that somebody might bring up the idea that I was scum, and that I shot Token just so I could make that post and throw off town's track So, that, and no he wasn't aware according to a previous post he made, On June 25 2014 03:29 Epishade wrote:
I had a feeling I might get some flak for my post earlier, albeit, not in the way I expected.
People are saying that my post is a little scummy for leaving out other scenarios. I did make it before Templar said he was jailed, and also before Haruhi said she was roleblocked. I honestly just didn't even consider that mafia would miss a shot and instead the shot might be from vigi. I also didn't really expect mafia to shoot someone at random, as I don't really think they would shoot someone without putting any thought into it just to screw with us.
I did consider (but didn't include) mafia using wifom in their shot decision in my post, such that we'd think they shot Token for being on the right track, when instead they shot Token because he was on the wrong track and they wanted us to think he was right. But I really didn't think that was the case either. I don't really see that happening in a newbie game, where they might expect that some people might not have even theorized that Token was shot because he was on the right track.
You guys realize too, that if mafia did, in fact, miss their target and vigi shot Token, that either Templar or Haruhi would be scum then, right? the bolded parts. He also dismissed the mafia throwing us off, which is sort of weird. Wait, didn't you do the same in reply to GlowBear's #4 point? Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 00:08 The_Templar wrote:I was jailed last night. Epishade's post seems to be coming under fire for ignoring some other possibilities that would require a very deceptive mafia. On June 24 2014 23:24 GlowingBear wrote:On June 24 2014 14:35 Epishade wrote:
Ermm, I was really not expecting Token to get shot, of all people. I expected either myself, Haruhi, or Templar to die tbh, as we've all been townread for the majority of the game by most people. Token could have been a potential case if someone were to call him out, so I have a hard time rationalizing why mafia would shoot Token over someone more townie.
The only way I can see Token's shot being justified is if mafia thought he was on the right track and shot him to get rid of him, because objectively, that looked like a bad shot to me. You usually shoot people that have little chance of getting lynched for reading townie, but there seemed to be enough suspicion on Token (or at least, more than the three people I listed above) for me to think that that wasn't the reason he was shot.
There are a few people that Token scumreads over day 1, and I think that probably played a part in his death.
His scumreads:
JabberZerg (initially, then changed his mind to a townread at 4:00, which wouldn't have given mafia time to change their shot if JabberZerg wanted to keep Token alive for townreading him, assuming that Jabber is mafia)
meatpudding
Teemursu
Cats
His townreads:
Haruhi
Templar
me
Hobbit (only in his post at 4:00)
Fence reads:
Nydus
Dunno reads:
GlowBear
Other peoples
So I think the cases should probably be focused on people in his scum list at this point. I mean, he did say for people to look at me, GlowBear, and Nydus day 2 in his 4:02 post, but I'm not considering these specifically right now because they came too late to be able to influence mafia, and I'm only looking at the reasoning for shooting Token here over someone else.
He also asked me to post my reads on him, Cats, and meatpudding at this point, too, but I woke up too early today and am dead tired. I'll post my reads on everybody I have reads for sometime tomorrow after I wake up.
Night all. Your post strike me as odd. It's because the scenario you've brought isn't the only one possible. Possible scenarios are: 1) Tolkien was on the right track and asking the right questions, so it was better for Mafia to make him shut up. This is too simplistic, it would easily lead townies to lynch the right people. I don't think Mafia would do this. 2) Tolkien wasn't on the right track but being shot would lead town to misread other townies. This one seems more plausible to me. 3) My stupid mistake made them change their top townies change targets to someone who had more scumreads 4) Top townies are actually very good scums and they killed at random (I think this is too much)
As I think (2) is more plausible, your post striked me as odd because you seem to push (1) as the only possible interpretation, leading townies to misreads and, therefore, to mislynchs. I'll keep an eye on you. I was going to reply something similar to this in response to Epishade's post. We can't assume that the mafia is trying to cover their tracks, as that doesn't cover half the possibilities. 1) If it's too simple, do you think 2 or 3 of JabberZerg, meatpudding, Teemursu, Cats are mafia? And where would you begin with that list? 2) This is, indeed, more likely, but again that doesn't lead us anywhere, except we can assume only one of those four, at most, are mafia. So if we lynch meatpudding and he flips red then it will be likely those other 3 are town. 3) I don't understand this one, can you clarify further? 4) Very unlikely, considering this is a newbie game.It's also possible that I was targeted by the mafia and Tolkien was killed by a vigilante. But that's somewhat unlikely as well. On June 24 2014 21:49 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 24 2014 14:35 Epishade wrote:
Ermm, I was really not expecting Token to get shot, of all people. I expected either myself, Haruhi, or Templar to die tbh, as we've all been townread for the majority of the game by most people. Token could have been a potential case if someone were to call him out, so I have a hard time rationalizing why mafia would shoot Token over someone more townie.
The only way I can see Token's shot being justified is if mafia thought he was on the right track and shot him to get rid of him, because objectively, that looked like a bad shot to me. You usually shoot people that have little chance of getting lynched for reading townie, but there seemed to be enough suspicion on Token (or at least, more than the three people I listed above) for me to think that that wasn't the reason he was shot.
There are a few people that Token scumreads over day 1, and I think that probably played a part in his death.
His scumreads:
JabberZerg (initially, then changed his mind to a townread at 4:00, which wouldn't have given mafia time to change their shot if JabberZerg wanted to keep Token alive for townreading him, assuming that Jabber is mafia)
meatpudding
Teemursu
Cats
His townreads:
Haruhi
Templar
me
Hobbit (only in his post at 4:00)
Fence reads:
Nydus
Dunno reads:
GlowBear
Other peoples
So I think the cases should probably be focused on people in his scum list at this point. I mean, he did say for people to look at me, GlowBear, and Nydus day 2 in his 4:02 post, but I'm not considering these specifically right now because they came too late to be able to influence mafia, and I'm only looking at the reasoning for shooting Token here over someone else.
He also asked me to post my reads on him, Cats, and meatpudding at this point, too, but I woke up too early today and am dead tired. I'll post my reads on everybody I have reads for sometime tomorrow after I wake up.
Night all. First of all you're assuming that scum shot Tolkien, it's possible that scum got jailed/roleblocked and the vig shot Tolkien. Tolkien being shot because be suspected the right people makes little sense but lets analyze it a bit. If me or meatpudding are scum it would be pointless to shoot him for suspecting us because half the game does, if either of us were to shoot him it wouldn't change anything for us and it would actually be detrimental for us to do that as scum because Tolkien was looking scummy to a lot of people too and he would've been one of the easier people to push for a mislynch. seeing as him, me and meatpudding were the main lynch candidates today we wouldn't kill one of our most valid chances to escape a lynch. Teemu, well this one's simple. If he was going to shoot someone for being "on" to him it would've been meatpudding because meatpudding's been on him more. Why would he shoot Tolkien over meatpudding? Why would he shoot either of them for that matter? They were both suspicious to a lot of people and he wasn't. As for Jabber...i dunno. He seems to be on a few peoples radars if i remember correctly, it would make more sense to shoot one of them for being "on" to him as opposed to one of the lynch candidates. It really doesn't make sense for scum to shoot him especially for the reason you posted. Personally i think the less likely situation of scum's NK being blocked and a Vig targeting Tolkien is more likely. The bolded part is extremely good. A lot of people on that scum list were scummy to a lot of people, and would want to keep tolkien around to make sure he would get attention from his somewhat aggressive MM lynch (I thought this made him more townish to me at the end), which was scummy to a lot of people. So they have no reason to bother killing him. On June 24 2014 22:12 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 24 2014 22:04 Teemursu wrote:
From an hour to three hours, generally. Day is from 15 to 30 minutes and night is maybe 5 minutes?
Could you instead post and reference my analysis on day 1?
I'll probably start reading and answering in about three hours. Thank you. That means you townreading Templar so quickly isn't scummy. I'll be looking through your and everyone else's filters a bit later (i started looking through your filter yesterday and that's what made me ask meatpudding all those questions). I just came in to check the thread after waking up, effort will be applied in...lets say 3-4 hours. I thought I said at the beginning that video mafia went pretty quickly and making reads this early was normal there. I'm still tired and will be reading more into these things later, but I am applying for a job this afternoon and won't have a ton of time like I usually do.
No. In my post, I meant "it was unlikely they chose randomly just to throw us off". Your post dismissed them killing tolkien for the reason that he was on the wrong track.
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On June 25 2014 11:28 Tehpoofter wrote:
Templar do you agree or disagree with my assertion that Scum care about how their posts are perceived? Or at least are very likely to be aware of it.
Oh, I agree with it. Some people will care about how their posts are perceived as town, though.
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On June 25 2014 11:34 Tehpoofter wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 25 2014 07:57 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 05:57 Tehpoofter wrote:GOOD NEWS FOLKS I have come to save this village from imminent fail. I never should have left Teemu and Nydus in charge. I will give mafia an hour to concede. At which point if our town surrender demands are not met I will begin referring to mafia as wolves to further degrade them and calling them out one by one. I have linked the hero before me's beautiful filter for full analysis: On June 21 2014 22:48 Solar424 wrote:
Hello. I am new to TL, and this is the first time playing Mafia online, bu I know the rules. RIP Solar424 2014-2014. Oh good, I guess mafia is surrendering in a few minutes. Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 06:09 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 25 2014 06:05 Teemursu wrote:
Banks, if there's anything you want to talk about while you're going through the pages, let me know! You may have said it before but who is your top wolf/village. (<<<<<<<<< Please use the following format.
Top Town: Tehpoofter
Town: Mr.White, Colonel Mustard
Wolfy: Professor Plum, Mr. Green
OUTTED WOLF: The Candlestick
The_Templar
KOTC
Hobbitus
Haru* Tehpoofter Epishade* mtamburini, GlowingBear*
Teemu* Nydus*
Jabberwockzerg
Meatpudding
*Going to talk about these further mtamburini is in the center, bolded, to draw the line between more mafia and more scum, as I have literally zero clue about his alignment so far (he hasn't posted ). Only the ones in green/red I have any strong feelings about. Haru: Only not green because he's sort of erratic. He's jumped immediately onto people for small mistakes, which is ok, but he's also sometimes making assumptions (It's not unlikely but he takes it as completely true). He does a lot of extra stuff I wanted to do to look town in my first game, particularly making a list of important posts and asking a LOT of questions, both of which I like this game. Epishade: He made one suspicious post so far, which knocked him down quite a bit on my list as well as everyone else's. Show nested quote +On June 24 2014 14:35 Epishade wrote:
Ermm, I was really not expecting Token to get shot, of all people. I expected either myself, Haruhi, or Templar to die tbh, as we've all been townread for the majority of the game by most people. Token could have been a potential case if someone were to call him out, so I have a hard time rationalizing why mafia would shoot Token over someone more townie.
The only way I can see Token's shot being justified is if mafia thought he was on the right track and shot him to get rid of him, because objectively, that looked like a bad shot to me. You usually shoot people that have little chance of getting lynched for reading townie, but there seemed to be enough suspicion on Token (or at least, more than the three people I listed above) for me to think that that wasn't the reason he was shot.
There are a few people that Token scumreads over day 1, and I think that probably played a part in his death.
His scumreads:
JabberZerg (initially, then changed his mind to a townread at 4:00, which wouldn't have given mafia time to change their shot if JabberZerg wanted to keep Token alive for townreading him, assuming that Jabber is mafia)
meatpudding
Teemursu
Cats
His townreads:
Haruhi
Templar
me
Hobbit (only in his post at 4:00)
Fence reads:
Nydus
Dunno reads:
GlowBear
Other peoples
So I think the cases should probably be focused on people in his scum list at this point. I mean, he did say for people to look at me, GlowBear, and Nydus day 2 in his 4:02 post, but I'm not considering these specifically right now because they came too late to be able to influence mafia, and I'm only looking at the reasoning for shooting Token here over someone else.
He also asked me to post my reads on him, Cats, and meatpudding at this point, too, but I woke up too early today and am dead tired. I'll post my reads on everybody I have reads for sometime tomorrow after I wake up.
Night all. Why did he assume that Tolkien's scum list influenced the mafia's decision, and why did he assume that Tolkien's list was even accurate (he didn't ever have a read on him)? Sort of odd… but he has followed up on his promise to post read this day (it's a good list too, you should read it), which is more than a lot of people in this game have done, and admitted he was wrong about his assumptions instead of insisting we were wrong (a lot of people have done this). GlowingBear: Null reads galore at the beginning of the game, sort of jumping on stuff a bit late, but does offer some short analysis quite often (more lists the possibilities than concluding anything). Not sure about him. In addition, this post: Show nested quote +On June 24 2014 03:19 GlowingBear wrote:On June 24 2014 03:04 HaruRH wrote:On June 24 2014 02:15 GlowingBear wrote:
I think Haru is dangerous because he leads our reads. He ask questions to be answered and, therefore, changes the route of our reasoning. If he is scum, he has got us on his hands.
But I never saw any scum sign in his posts. I think he ask good questions that may help town. So, I think he is townie. please don't think of me this way Haha don't worry, I have good feelings towards you. You sound greeny, even blueish to me. I just like to cover all possibilities. I'd be too naive if I didn't. Overly casual townie, or subtle scum trying to get town panicking? I bet you can't tell. Teemu: I don't like a lot of what he's been doing and he's too consistent in this game. He's pretty much been reading me as town for the whole game, without really clarifying it. After he straightened out what he meant by me being towny earlier, he stopped addressing me completely. Exactly the same situation with Nydus. But when he reads a mafia, he doesn't let go, instead continually emphasizing how much he thinks they're mafia (see meatpudding). And even though he's been trying to take charge of the town, he still used GlowingBear to create a scum read out of Epishade when he had him as on the fence, not really drawing his own conclusions. Also, what the hell is this? Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 06:26 Teemursu wrote:On June 25 2014 06:25 NydusHerMain wrote:
It's just as hard to read Tehpoofter in forum mafia as it is to read him in video mafia it appears -_- .... I'll have a large writeup in about 2 hours. I want to just make one big post with what I think about everyone in general Great. More posts that I don't want to read. However, he's really aggressive, friendly and I think he's trying to be/seem helpful so I don't want to put him on my scum list right now. Nydus: Do something helpful and not directly related to Teemu and I'll move you back to neutral. Are we talking about the same post Templar? This one I have spoiled above is the one you made which includes his original post in it. I have bolded where you thought it was scummy. I just find it odd that you thought it was scummy then since then hadn't commented that you no longer felt that way and feel the need to quite strongly disagree with me.
I wasn't talking about that post, no. I was talking about his clarification later:
On June 25 2014 10:47 Epishade wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 09:49 NydusHerMain wrote:EpishadeMeatPuddingTeemuHobbitusJabberWockZergHaruRH (yeah I'm that confused about HaruRH ._.) The_Templar TheKingOfCatsIf the person isn't listed, they haven't said enough for me to remember them in particular. If they aren't on the list, I'm going to say leaning scum but not comfortable voting on. I think my town list is too big but I'll re-evaluate it later. With respect to the EOD, I'll stay up to make sure I make it. I'm also not comfortable voting on TheKingOfCats right now because I feel like he's becoming more and more towny. I was more convinced he was mafia on day 1. I'll start voting when I see something scummy as fuck. Honestly, I'm surprised you put me at the top of your list. Even I wouldn't put myself there lol. I read your explanation and, though I'm glad you read me as townie, even I'd still have my suspicions about me if I were in your place over my Token being shot post. To put me over someone who hasn't made anybody suspicious all game, like Templar, who you left null, seems like a strange choice to me. I know I lost a bit of townieness when I posted my Token post. I knew I would before I posted it actually, but I'd rather post information that I thought would be relevant in catching scum and lose townie cred than ignore it altogether due to wifom. Actually, I thought that somebody might bring up the idea that I was scum, and that I shot Token just so I could make that post and throw off town's track, but nobody posted suspicions about that. Instead people posted that I had neglected some scenarios, which is true, too.
The post you quoted, I still think is a bit scummy, and yeah I'm not super sure about Epishade anymore. I was just trying to clarify what he said later.
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On June 25 2014 11:28 NydusHerMain wrote:
##Vote: GlowingBear
towny feel isn't good enough for me, clearly mafia
On June 25 2014 11:08 NydusHerMain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 10:56 Teemursu wrote:Nydus, do you not read the same adorable town tone from GlowingBear as I am? Okay, so, supposed meatpudding is Mafia. What is he looking for with that question? Well, in my point of view, he is trying to know who is getting votes so him and his partners can set up a strategy as Mafia. His whole blue thing during the night was a little awkward, but no reason to really drop him from a list or anything (not really saying you don't have him there because of that). I would've actually used this post for a "townie perspective" feel. I had to reread GlowingBear's filter because I barely remembered him. Yeah feels kinda towny. I think I'd use the word adorable too haha.
What the hell?
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On June 25 2014 11:38 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 11:28 NydusHerMain wrote:
##Vote: GlowingBear
towny feel isn't good enough for me, clearly mafia Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 11:08 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 25 2014 10:56 Teemursu wrote:Nydus, do you not read the same adorable town tone from GlowingBear as I am? Okay, so, supposed meatpudding is Mafia. What is he looking for with that question? Well, in my point of view, he is trying to know who is getting votes so him and his partners can set up a strategy as Mafia. His whole blue thing during the night was a little awkward, but no reason to really drop him from a list or anything (not really saying you don't have him there because of that). I would've actually used this post for a "townie perspective" feel. I had to reread GlowingBear's filter because I barely remembered him. Yeah feels kinda towny. I think I'd use the word adorable too haha. What the hell?
Edit: If you are voting for the sake of voting, WHY not KotC considering you said he was scummy?
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On June 25 2014 11:39 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 11:38 The_Templar wrote:On June 25 2014 11:28 NydusHerMain wrote:
##Vote: GlowingBear
towny feel isn't good enough for me, clearly mafia On June 25 2014 11:08 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 25 2014 10:56 Teemursu wrote:Nydus, do you not read the same adorable town tone from GlowingBear as I am? Okay, so, supposed meatpudding is Mafia. What is he looking for with that question? Well, in my point of view, he is trying to know who is getting votes so him and his partners can set up a strategy as Mafia. His whole blue thing during the night was a little awkward, but no reason to really drop him from a list or anything (not really saying you don't have him there because of that). I would've actually used this post for a "townie perspective" feel. I had to reread GlowingBear's filter because I barely remembered him. Yeah feels kinda towny. I think I'd use the word adorable too haha. What the hell? Edit: If you are voting for the sake of voting, WHY not KotC considering you said he was scummy?
edit: never mind I found the reason
On June 25 2014 11:34 NydusHerMain wrote:@TheKingOfTheCats I was reading through the filter and didn't actually have many specific posts in particular to quote but in general, you seemed very defensive and you were asking a lot of questions but that was it. You weren't giving any opinions on people's alignments until the bandwagon on MysterMeat1 started. My initial scumread started with this post where you reacted to Teemu before you reacted to MeatPudding. Ever since then throughout the first day, you had a scummy vibe stick with you. Day two, you're definitely feeling a lot townier, especially with your questioning and the way you seem frustrated that I'm not responding to you immediately. On the flip side, you are being quite defensive which could be mafia indicative.
Even then, you're not sure. -.-
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On June 25 2014 11:42 NydusHerMain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 11:38 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 25 2014 11:36 The_Templar wrote:On June 25 2014 11:34 Tehpoofter wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 25 2014 07:57 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 05:57 Tehpoofter wrote:GOOD NEWS FOLKS I have come to save this village from imminent fail. I never should have left Teemu and Nydus in charge. I will give mafia an hour to concede. At which point if our town surrender demands are not met I will begin referring to mafia as wolves to further degrade them and calling them out one by one. I have linked the hero before me's beautiful filter for full analysis: On June 21 2014 22:48 Solar424 wrote:
Hello. I am new to TL, and this is the first time playing Mafia online, bu I know the rules. RIP Solar424 2014-2014. Oh good, I guess mafia is surrendering in a few minutes. Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 06:09 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 25 2014 06:05 Teemursu wrote:
Banks, if there's anything you want to talk about while you're going through the pages, let me know! You may have said it before but who is your top wolf/village. (<<<<<<<<< Please use the following format.
Top Town: Tehpoofter
Town: Mr.White, Colonel Mustard
Wolfy: Professor Plum, Mr. Green
OUTTED WOLF: The Candlestick
The_Templar
KOTC
Hobbitus
Haru* Tehpoofter Epishade* mtamburini, GlowingBear*
Teemu* Nydus*
Jabberwockzerg
Meatpudding
*Going to talk about these further mtamburini is in the center, bolded, to draw the line between more mafia and more scum, as I have literally zero clue about his alignment so far (he hasn't posted ). Only the ones in green/red I have any strong feelings about. Haru: Only not green because he's sort of erratic. He's jumped immediately onto people for small mistakes, which is ok, but he's also sometimes making assumptions (It's not unlikely but he takes it as completely true). He does a lot of extra stuff I wanted to do to look town in my first game, particularly making a list of important posts and asking a LOT of questions, both of which I like this game. Epishade: He made one suspicious post so far, which knocked him down quite a bit on my list as well as everyone else's. Show nested quote +On June 24 2014 14:35 Epishade wrote:
Ermm, I was really not expecting Token to get shot, of all people. I expected either myself, Haruhi, or Templar to die tbh, as we've all been townread for the majority of the game by most people. Token could have been a potential case if someone were to call him out, so I have a hard time rationalizing why mafia would shoot Token over someone more townie.
The only way I can see Token's shot being justified is if mafia thought he was on the right track and shot him to get rid of him, because objectively, that looked like a bad shot to me. You usually shoot people that have little chance of getting lynched for reading townie, but there seemed to be enough suspicion on Token (or at least, more than the three people I listed above) for me to think that that wasn't the reason he was shot.
There are a few people that Token scumreads over day 1, and I think that probably played a part in his death.
His scumreads:
JabberZerg (initially, then changed his mind to a townread at 4:00, which wouldn't have given mafia time to change their shot if JabberZerg wanted to keep Token alive for townreading him, assuming that Jabber is mafia)
meatpudding
Teemursu
Cats
His townreads:
Haruhi
Templar
me
Hobbit (only in his post at 4:00)
Fence reads:
Nydus
Dunno reads:
GlowBear
Other peoples
So I think the cases should probably be focused on people in his scum list at this point. I mean, he did say for people to look at me, GlowBear, and Nydus day 2 in his 4:02 post, but I'm not considering these specifically right now because they came too late to be able to influence mafia, and I'm only looking at the reasoning for shooting Token here over someone else.
He also asked me to post my reads on him, Cats, and meatpudding at this point, too, but I woke up too early today and am dead tired. I'll post my reads on everybody I have reads for sometime tomorrow after I wake up.
Night all. Why did he assume that Tolkien's scum list influenced the mafia's decision, and why did he assume that Tolkien's list was even accurate (he didn't ever have a read on him)? Sort of odd… but he has followed up on his promise to post read this day (it's a good list too, you should read it), which is more than a lot of people in this game have done, and admitted he was wrong about his assumptions instead of insisting we were wrong (a lot of people have done this). GlowingBear: Null reads galore at the beginning of the game, sort of jumping on stuff a bit late, but does offer some short analysis quite often (more lists the possibilities than concluding anything). Not sure about him. In addition, this post: Show nested quote +On June 24 2014 03:19 GlowingBear wrote:On June 24 2014 03:04 HaruRH wrote:On June 24 2014 02:15 GlowingBear wrote:
I think Haru is dangerous because he leads our reads. He ask questions to be answered and, therefore, changes the route of our reasoning. If he is scum, he has got us on his hands.
But I never saw any scum sign in his posts. I think he ask good questions that may help town. So, I think he is townie. please don't think of me this way Haha don't worry, I have good feelings towards you. You sound greeny, even blueish to me. I just like to cover all possibilities. I'd be too naive if I didn't. Overly casual townie, or subtle scum trying to get town panicking? I bet you can't tell. Teemu: I don't like a lot of what he's been doing and he's too consistent in this game. He's pretty much been reading me as town for the whole game, without really clarifying it. After he straightened out what he meant by me being towny earlier, he stopped addressing me completely. Exactly the same situation with Nydus. But when he reads a mafia, he doesn't let go, instead continually emphasizing how much he thinks they're mafia (see meatpudding). And even though he's been trying to take charge of the town, he still used GlowingBear to create a scum read out of Epishade when he had him as on the fence, not really drawing his own conclusions. Also, what the hell is this? Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 06:26 Teemursu wrote:On June 25 2014 06:25 NydusHerMain wrote:
It's just as hard to read Tehpoofter in forum mafia as it is to read him in video mafia it appears -_- .... I'll have a large writeup in about 2 hours. I want to just make one big post with what I think about everyone in general Great. More posts that I don't want to read. However, he's really aggressive, friendly and I think he's trying to be/seem helpful so I don't want to put him on my scum list right now. Nydus: Do something helpful and not directly related to Teemu and I'll move you back to neutral. Are we talking about the same post Templar? This one I have spoiled above is the one you made which includes his original post in it. I have bolded where you thought it was scummy. I just find it odd that you thought it was scummy then since then hadn't commented that you no longer felt that way and feel the need to quite strongly disagree with me. I wasn't talking about that post, no. I was talking about his clarification later: On June 25 2014 10:47 Epishade wrote:On June 25 2014 09:49 NydusHerMain wrote:EpishadeMeatPuddingTeemuHobbitusJabberWockZergHaruRH (yeah I'm that confused about HaruRH ._.) The_Templar TheKingOfCatsIf the person isn't listed, they haven't said enough for me to remember them in particular. If they aren't on the list, I'm going to say leaning scum but not comfortable voting on. I think my town list is too big but I'll re-evaluate it later. With respect to the EOD, I'll stay up to make sure I make it. I'm also not comfortable voting on TheKingOfCats right now because I feel like he's becoming more and more towny. I was more convinced he was mafia on day 1. I'll start voting when I see something scummy as fuck. Honestly, I'm surprised you put me at the top of your list. Even I wouldn't put myself there lol. I read your explanation and, though I'm glad you read me as townie, even I'd still have my suspicions about me if I were in your place over my Token being shot post. To put me over someone who hasn't made anybody suspicious all game, like Templar, who you left null, seems like a strange choice to me. I know I lost a bit of townieness when I posted my Token post. I knew I would before I posted it actually, but I'd rather post information that I thought would be relevant in catching scum and lose townie cred than ignore it altogether due to wifom. Actually, I thought that somebody might bring up the idea that I was scum, and that I shot Token just so I could make that post and throw off town's track, but nobody posted suspicions about that. Instead people posted that I had neglected some scenarios, which is true, too. The post you quoted, I still think is a bit scummy, and yeah I'm not super sure about Epishade anymore. I was just trying to clarify what he said later. Ok we were talking about two different posts for a bit I thought I was taking crazy pills or something. lol. BTW Nydus is scum. If you're town and don't want to get mislynched tomorrow, back off me before my role flips. Thanks.
Are you subtly trying to claim blue? Because I don't think that will help your case very much.
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On June 25 2014 11:45 NydusHerMain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 11:39 The_Templar wrote:On June 25 2014 11:38 The_Templar wrote:On June 25 2014 11:28 NydusHerMain wrote:
##Vote: GlowingBear
towny feel isn't good enough for me, clearly mafia On June 25 2014 11:08 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 25 2014 10:56 Teemursu wrote:Nydus, do you not read the same adorable town tone from GlowingBear as I am? Okay, so, supposed meatpudding is Mafia. What is he looking for with that question? Well, in my point of view, he is trying to know who is getting votes so him and his partners can set up a strategy as Mafia. His whole blue thing during the night was a little awkward, but no reason to really drop him from a list or anything (not really saying you don't have him there because of that). I would've actually used this post for a "townie perspective" feel. I had to reread GlowingBear's filter because I barely remembered him. Yeah feels kinda towny. I think I'd use the word adorable too haha. What the hell? Edit: If you are voting for the sake of voting, WHY not KotC considering you said he was scummy? Early votes aren't static -_-. I've explained that KotC is feeling townier and townier for me and I feel like the main people I need more from to get a better read on are GlowingBear and you. You're contributing far more and I don't think this behaviour will change. I'll gladly vote on someone lurkier to force a reaction.
I corrected my post upon seeing that post. It's still very strange, considering the rest of us are generally voting to show where we are. Anyway, I'm trying to post plenty, and you've said that both Cats and I look townier and townier.
On June 25 2014 10:21 NydusHerMain wrote:
Sorry that I haven't been actively updating my reads >.<. A lot of my reads are kind of new from today since I read a lot of the things that I missed out on.
Teemu I thought at first that you were coming to really quick conclusions and I always figured that you were a player that waited a tad bit longer. I town read you for your forum activity, similar to how I used to read you in video, but realized that in a forum setting, you could probably change your playstyle so I threw you into null. I liked a lot of the logic that you threw out, I can give you examples if you want so I thought you were town again.
Epishade feels towny as fuck when I read through his filter. He's not instantly hopping on any "OMG I AGREE WITH YOU HE IS SCUMMY/TOWNY" bandwagons. He's trying to be objective and giving what I think are to be very strong reasons for his scum/town reads. For example, he also mentions how easily people townread me and Teemu, etc. and how he thinks that those people are scummy. For actual detailed reads that he gave, you can refer to his filter but if you disagree with me, I'll personally give specific examples.
Jabberwockzerg my read hasn't changed much on her.
Templar I thought you pushes were a little weird. I keep getting a towny vibe from you but your interaction with MP I didn't like at all.
On June 25 2014 11:16 NydusHerMain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 10:34 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 25 2014 10:28 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 25 2014 10:09 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 25 2014 10:04 The_Templar wrote:On June 25 2014 10:03 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 25 2014 09:56 Teemursu wrote:
I can at least agree with you on KotC.
I think instead of calling him KotC we should make him a king of something new i.e. KingoftheClowns. I will be doing this cause it seems fun. That's mean. I'm a dog person so giving him way cooler names. If it really bugs him I won't but seemed like a fun thing to do. Call me what you like, it doesn't matter. TheKingOfScum Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 10:15 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 25 2014 09:33 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 25 2014 09:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 22 2014 01:39 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 21 2014 22:59 Teemursu wrote:Yeah, I'm probably the most serious person you'll meet on this forum. I actually kinda like this read. Feels like it's coming from a towny perspective. We -are- all new here and some are playing for the first time, and your read has that ring to it. As someone who plays with you a lot in video mafia, I feel like this is not a typical read of yours. Seems a bit forced, and I hope that it's a reaction test. If it is, I'd like you to explain what you got from it. On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:On June 21 2014 23:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:09 meatpudding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote:
Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes.
I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e.
I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though).
My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar.
I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Since you're wondering, it was a direct response to this post. I usually browse custom maps but don't often post there. What was a direct response to that post? This post was a response to Templar: On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course. Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town?TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. I don't think scum align themselves so quickly. The read seems a bit weak but I don't necessarily think it comes from scum. Your read on TheKingOfCats seems to come from a towny perspective. Not sure what to think of you yet but leaning town. On June 22 2014 02:07 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 22 2014 01:53 Teemursu wrote:On June 22 2014 01:39 NydusHerMain wrote:
As someone who plays with you a lot in video mafia, I feel like this is not a typical read of yours. Seems a bit forced, and I hope that it's a reaction test. If it is, I'd like you to explain what you got from it.
Why does it seem forced? I'm not reaction testing him. I did get a towny feel from what he said in the brackets.
I don't think scum align themselves so quickly. The read seems a bit weak but I don't necessarily think it comes from scum. Your read on TheKingOfCats seems to come from a towny perspective. Not sure what to think of you yet but leaning town.
I don't really hear you giving town/scum perspective reads either. I didn't necessarily read his defensiveness caused by TheKingOfCats's null read to come from a towny perspective. Could you specifically explain that read? When I play with you in video mafia, your town reads come from hearing people give several reads, and deciding on whether or not you like their logic. Seeing you give a quick town read for something very small that I personally don't see as being particularly alignment indicative is very weird from you. Perhaps your playstyle is different on forum mafia but if this were video mafia, you'd be quick to drop into my scum list. Having played with me before, you should know that my town and scum reads come from small things that people do or say whereas your reads come from a bigger picture. Reading the posts again, I realize that TheKingOfCats didn't even give a null read, rather, he gave no read at all. Meatpudding's defensiveness actually does seem scummy. I am getting names mixed up and should read more carefully. How do you do go from thinking meatpudding is slightly townie because of the way he read what i said about him to in the very next post completely disregarding what you just said about him and saying that he was "defensive" and therefore scummy because of that? What about his defensiveness was scummy to you? And how does me giving no read on him as opposed to giving a null read on him change anything? Basically, my thought process was that the way he was OMGUSing at that point was towny because people seemed to be jumping on him for no reason including you. However, that was coming from a point of misinformation. I just assumed that you jumped on him because he said so in his post. After rereading, I realized you didn't even give a null read, you gave no read on him. That was part of my surprise. It made me feel like he was being defensive for no reason, especially since one of the people that he said gave him a scum read didn't even talk about him. That made me think he was leaning scum. So are you saying that you initially read my post as jumping on him for no reason and after rereading it realized that that wasn't what i was doing or are you saying that you missed my post completely and read it after you posted your initial read on meatpudding? Also he never said that i scumread him. On June 22 2014 02:21 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 22 2014 02:14 Teemursu wrote:On June 22 2014 02:07 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 22 2014 01:53 Teemursu wrote:On June 22 2014 01:39 NydusHerMain wrote:
As someone who plays with you a lot in video mafia, I feel like this is not a typical read of yours. Seems a bit forced, and I hope that it's a reaction test. If it is, I'd like you to explain what you got from it.
Why does it seem forced? I'm not reaction testing him. I did get a towny feel from what he said in the brackets.
I don't think scum align themselves so quickly. The read seems a bit weak but I don't necessarily think it comes from scum. Your read on TheKingOfCats seems to come from a towny perspective. Not sure what to think of you yet but leaning town.
I don't really hear you giving town/scum perspective reads either. I didn't necessarily read his defensiveness caused by TheKingOfCats's null read to come from a towny perspective. Could you specifically explain that read? When I play with you in video mafia, your town reads come from hearing people give several reads, and deciding on whether or not you like their logic. Seeing you give a quick town read for something very small that I personally don't see as being particularly alignment indicative is very weird from you. Perhaps your playstyle is different on forum mafia but if this were video mafia, you'd be quick to drop into my scum list. Having played with me before, you should know that my town and scum reads come from small things that people do or say whereas your reads come from a bigger picture. Reading the posts again, I realize that TheKingOfCats didn't even give a null read, rather, he gave no read at all. Meatpudding's defensiveness actually does seem scummy. I am getting names mixed up and should read more carefully. Personally, I feel like I'm expressing things here that I don't normally bother saying in video. I agree with you getting town reads from small things, but I rarely hear you explain reads by saying from which alignment/perspective players are telling their reads. In either case, we should evaluate each other based on this game alone. Discussing how our play might differ from different form of mafia is probably not going to give us much. In any case, what's your read on TheKingOfCats? My read on TheKingOfCats so far is that he is potential scum with MeatPudding. On June 21 2014 23:17 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:51 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 22:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:46 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. I don't like this. What don't you like about it? The joke felt forced. Admitting to lurking and not at least saying you'll have more reads later on in the day rings scummy to me. Anyway, I just wanted to ping someone out. Do you have any early reads? It's too early for me to have any reads. Seeing as this is Meatpudding's first game i don't think his post was alignment indicative but if he doesn't contribute anything he'll be a good lynch regardless of his alignment. On June 22 2014 01:49 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:52 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:On June 21 2014 23:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:09 meatpudding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote:
Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes.
I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e.
I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though).
My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar.
I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Since you're wondering, it was a direct response to this post. I usually browse custom maps but don't often post there. What was a direct response to that post? This post was a response to Templar: On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course. Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town? TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. So I didn't specifically call you out. Apparently I got a reaction anyway, which is good, considering I just said I only pinged you out. I don't feel like TheKingOfCats is trying to lynch you at all, and I'm not sure how I should read your defensiveness about that (new player/mafia being pushed). He did give a fence read on you though. Like, It's obvious that we should lynch people who don't contribute at all. He's someone I'm going to keep my eye on. Please explain to me how i gave a fence read on meatpudding when i didn't give a read on him at all. I find it weird that TheKingOfCats' first reaction is to question Teemu on a supposed "null read" when I feel like MeatPudding saying that TheKingOfCats is trying to lynch him (pretty much saying that TheKingOfCats has a scum read on him) is a much scummier thing. Why does that make me scum and more importantly how does that make me scum with meatpudding? I found it really weird that before that post, there were two people saying "This guy is trying to lynch me!" and "This guy gave a fence read on you." You gave no read at all, and I felt like the read you should've been questioning was "This guy is trying to lynch me" because that was a read completely blown out of proportion. I felt like your questioning there was completely unnatural and it felt like you were defending meatpudding by going on Teemu. On June 23 2014 12:23 NydusHerMain wrote:I just woke up so I should have a clearer mind for this. ##: UnvoteLordTolkien: Town + Show Spoiler +LordTolkien starts off the game saying that people trying to solve the game are town, and that lurkers are mafia. I thought that this was scummy because of how he was defending Teemu just for being someone being active. He didn't just say that Teemu was off the table, he said that Teemu was town. However, as I read through his filter, it is clear that his reads keep updating. I feel like it is more indicative of scum to tunnel on certain people with weak reasons, whereas LordTolkien looks like he's constantly getting new town and scum reads. Town + Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 23:57 jabberwockzerg wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 22:48 Solar424 wrote:
Hello. I am new to TL, and this is the first time playing Mafia online, bu I know the rules. you know the rules, and so do I Feels like it's coming from a town perspective. I know it's a weird thing to town read someone off of but it looks like he's annoyed with this post in a "Wow, thanks for the input, I also read the rules" kind of way. As opposed to most people, his reads aren't as polarized and it gives the feel of him trying to find out why people find certain people scummy that he has a town or fence read on. Town + Show Spoiler +Sigh... I was reading through his attack on The_Templar based on how The_Templar supposedly knew there was more than one mafia... it was pregame filter. Hard to clear my mind from that but I'll try. As of this moment, his play feels very consistent. Can't really see any glaring inconsistencies. The fact that he compiled reads that people made alone makes me want to say that he's town just for effort but we all know that effort is not alignment indicative. I didn't like how he had a lot of fluff when people were already in scum hunting mode. Actually, to be honest, he's asking great questions. I was going to say leaning town just because of the fluff but I feel like his contributions outweigh that. I wanted to give more detailed reads on everyone but I feel like I don't have enough time with how much time is left in the day to actually finish my reads so I'm going to be way more concise from now on. I don't think that TheKingOfCats is as scummy as I originally thought he was. I feel like MysteryMeat1 just sheeped my read on him and is actually scummier than I thought. I was pretty tired when I made those reads initially. I rescind my town read on Teemu, I pretty much townread him because our reads seemed to align but after reading through the thread again, I feel like our reads are starting to differ. I'm not saying that it means Teemu is scum, but I'm just not feeling him as town as I did prior. The_Templar I'm getting towny vibes from, otherwise, I don't really have standout reads. Everyone else is more leaning null aside from MeatPudding who I also think is scummy. ##Vote: MysteryMeat1 MM did not sheep your read on me. He wanted to lynch me for proposing to lynch someone that wasn't contributing regardless of their alignment, you never mentioned this as a reason to think i was scummy at all. You even said you liked the idea. On June 22 2014 08:58 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 22 2014 08:15 Lord Tolkien wrote:There really isn't much to say right now. All I can say is that Teemursu is my only solid read for me atm (as town). While Nydus has played with him before and says this behavior is alignment-null, he's instigating the scumhunting that town sorely needs early D1. As a result, I would peg him as town (or at least, a non-viable D1 lynch).That being said, I don't agree with any of the early lynch candidates thus far (as in, I don't have a strong enough read on any of them currently), and would rather lynch a lurker at this point in time. That includes scott, because his post was pretty much a non-response. Of Cats or meatpudding, if I had to choose a D1 lynch atm, I'd vote meatpudding solely based on thread contribution.
-Teemu agrees with me and "thinks I'm town", which I always appreciate, but he "thinks I'm town". He could be a town, or a mafia trying to make both of us or just me look mafia. Again, completely ambiguous and I'm not sure.
My general impression of mafia players in my limited experience is that they work to distance themselves as much as possible. I personally do not read too much into it atm; without a flip it's speculation. Not only that but Teemu agrees with me on TheKingOfCats. Although I agree with people that we should vote a lurker, considering the large number of lurkers and the fact that it's a newbie game, I don't think being a lurker is necessarily indicative of scum. On the other game, I do see people trying to contribute and looking scum whilst doing it. I'd rather vote on someone who I think is the scummiest than RNG a vote and potentially hit a cop. + Show Spoiler +On June 22 2014 07:39 The_Templar wrote:Responses to recent posts in this thread.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 22 2014 01:24 NydusHerMain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 01:11 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 22 2014 01:03 Hobbitus wrote:On June 22 2014 00:41 HaruRH wrote:On June 22 2014 00:14 Hobbitus wrote:On June 22 2014 00:01 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 23:59 Hobbitus wrote:On June 21 2014 23:51 HaruRH wrote:
Uh, do you really think this is a play? No, that's my point. Meatpudding is saying that's a play, but I don't think so. IF it is though, I think it'd be more likely that one is town and one is scum than both being scum. If you don't think it's a play, do you have a specific reasoning for that? Who do you think is the town/scum? Well like I said, it seems very obvious/early for a play? One "hey I think you're towny" post does not a scumteam make. It's more like you're sniffing out reads to me. That being said, if it is a play I'd say you're more likely than Templar to be scum just because you do have such polarized reactions to people. Now, you're raising flags here. I don't want to spoil your mood but once the day goes into full gear, you will only see one-sided polarised arguments filled with tunnel vision of each other. Also, by calling out the 'play', and yet saying you think it's too obvious/early for plays you're contradicting yourself. I know it's going to go into tunnel vision, but I don't think there is enough info out there for that to have happened so far, and yet you have a pretty strong opinion on most people already. To me that suggests a strategy of some kind. What that strategy is, I don't know. To clarify, I don't think you and Templar were buddying up like meatpudding (not I) suggested. The idea of THAT play seems too obvious and early. Reaction testing, he does this in video, neither town nor scum I'm going to step out of haiku mode for this one because I made an error. I thought this was a conversation between Hobbitus and Teemu. I'm slightly sleep deprived and know Teemu outside of TL Mafia so feel inclined to defend him without having an actual reason to think that he's not scum. Fair enough. Just make sure you're not confusing Teemu and Haru in the future, as that will get confusing really quick. I wonder why Haru jumped in so suddenly but I guess he could do this a lot, not sure yet. I'm watching your posting pattern so that I make sure you're consistent on what you've stated here.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 22 2014 01:39 NydusHerMain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 22:59 Teemursu wrote:Yeah, I'm probably the most serious person you'll meet on this forum. I actually kinda like this read. Feels like it's coming from a towny perspective. We -are- all new here and some are playing for the first time, and your read has that ring to it. As someone who plays with you a lot in video mafia, I feel like this is not a typical read of yours. Seems a bit forced, and I hope that it's a reaction test. If it is, I'd like you to explain what you got from it. Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:On June 21 2014 23:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:09 meatpudding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote:
Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes.
I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e.
I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though).
My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar.
I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Since you're wondering, it was a direct response to this post. I usually browse custom maps but don't often post there. What was a direct response to that post? This post was a response to Templar: On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course. Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town?TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. I don't think scum align themselves so quickly. The read seems a bit weak but I don't necessarily think it comes from scum. Your read on TheKingOfCats seems to come from a towny perspective. Not sure what to think of you yet but leaning town. Keep in mind that people could act differently in forum mafia. More on this later on, I explained it better then and I don't want to duplicate in this post. Personally, in the sc2 mod mafia, I watch people and jump out at them when they're unsure to trip them up, but this doesn't work in forum mafia (I tried in the TL+ game). So, I am going to watch and observe patterns, trying to figure out where everyone's going and what their plan is. I know this part of my post is a bit vague but hopefully I'll be able to show what I mean a bit better as the game goes on. Now, in your reply to meatpudding, why is that -any- different than Teemu's post on me? Neither are particularly strong and assume a lot of stuff. Teemu assumes that we're all figuring things out as we go, and it's town to realize that, and meatpudding guesses the motivation behind someone pressuring him on day 1. So what's the difference?
+ Show Spoiler +On June 22 2014 01:49 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:52 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:On June 21 2014 23:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:09 meatpudding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote:
Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes.
I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e.
I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though).
My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar.
I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Since you're wondering, it was a direct response to this post. I usually browse custom maps but don't often post there. What was a direct response to that post? This post was a response to Templar: On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course. Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town? TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. So I didn't specifically call you out. Apparently I got a reaction anyway, which is good, considering I just said I only pinged you out. I don't feel like TheKingOfCats is trying to lynch you at all, and I'm not sure how I should read your defensiveness about that (new player/mafia being pushed). He did give a fence read on you though. Like, It's obvious that we should lynch people who don't contribute at all. He's someone I'm going to keep my eye on. Please explain to me how i gave a fence read on meatpudding when i didn't give a read on him at all. Hehe, you didn't at all, in fact you even said there was no read on him yet specifically (A null read according to some guy). You did say that (obviously) we should lynch meatpudding if he's not contributing. (Not sure why you even bother to say it, it's like a universal truth in these games).
+ Show Spoiler +On June 22 2014 02:00 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 01:49 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:52 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:On June 21 2014 23:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:09 meatpudding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote:
Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes.
I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e.
I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though).
My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar.
I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Since you're wondering, it was a direct response to this post. I usually browse custom maps but don't often post there. What was a direct response to that post? This post was a response to Templar: On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course. Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town? TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. So I didn't specifically call you out. Apparently I got a reaction anyway, which is good, considering I just said I only pinged you out. I don't feel like TheKingOfCats is trying to lynch you at all, and I'm not sure how I should read your defensiveness about that (new player/mafia being pushed). He did give a fence read on you though. Like, It's obvious that we should lynch people who don't contribute at all. He's someone I'm going to keep my eye on. Please explain to me how i gave a fence read on meatpudding when i didn't give a read on him at all. Will do. Show nested quote +
It's too early for me to have any reads. Seeing as this is Meatpudding's first game i don't think his post was alignment indicative but if he doesn't contribute anything he'll be a good lynch regardless of his alignment.
Saying his post wasn't alignment indicative is still giving a read on him. You're evaluating his post and coming to a null conclusion. Also, I don't feel like you said much in general in the two lines of text that you wrote, since stating that people who don't contribute are good lynches is A) very obvious B) continuing to talk about Meatpudding in a null manner. I would say it's not a read because you can't read into it. Looking at it again, I do agree that Cat's post was a little too passive. Probably because he's not contributing much, as he said he wouldn't.
+ Show Spoiler +Now, I see a few people saying that meatpudding is scummy. Not seeing it personally. He only has two significant posts: On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:09 meatpudding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote:
Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes.
I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e.
I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though).
My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar.
I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Since you're wondering, it was a direct response to this post. I usually browse custom maps but don't often post there. What was a direct response to that post? This post was a response to Templar: Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course. Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town? TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. On June 22 2014 00:14 meatpudding wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:59 Hobbitus wrote:On June 21 2014 23:51 HaruRH wrote:On June 21 2014 23:44 Hobbitus wrote:On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:
But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course.
Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town?
TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. That seems like too obvious a play to me? I could see one or the other being scum but not both. Uh, do you really think this is a play? No, that's my point. Meatpudding is saying that's a play, but I don't think so. IF it is though, I think it'd be more likely that one is town and one is scum than both being scum. Would like to hear your thoughts as well. Do you have any reasoning to think that either would be scum? Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 22:59 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 22:53 The_Templar wrote:On June 21 2014 22:48 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 20:57 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 20:48 HaruRH wrote:On June 21 2014 20:41 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Hello people, i have a stupid username. I've been playing mafia on OMGUS (TL's evil twin that's locked in the basement and fed a bucket of fish heads every night) since last october. Between then and now i was somehow voted season 2 best town so if my play is terrible it's pretty much a certainty that i'm scum. Yea your scum play is horrible, to the extent of nearly being modkilled. I hope you aren't going to afk :/ I should be more active this game because i actually know how to play town. I was quiet in my last game because i have no idea what i'm doing as scum. How was i nearly modkilled in that game? How DO you play town? Let's talk! Do you read into tone perhaps? Who do you like/dislike? There's this guy named Teemursu who's taking things really seriously at the beginning of day 1. In all seriousness, no reads for me yet as we've just introduced each other. Meatpudding's joke seemed a bit… random, (trying to get things friendly between everyone perhaps?) but I don't think it really means anything. Yeah, I'm probably the most serious person you'll meet on this forum. I actually kinda like this read. Feels like it's coming from a towny perspective. We -are- all new here and some are playing for the first time, and your read has that ring to it. This post specifically makes me wonder. If Teemu is scum then I would say Templar is as well. Yeah, it's an obvious play, but if it's not a play then is there any reason to suspect either of them? All he's done is point out that Teemu agreed with my intentions (which apparently means we're both mafia), and that he was slightly pressured by Cats. This is in two posts. The Cats part is pretty straightforward and I covered it earlier in this post, so I'll focus on the pointing out of Teemu quickly siding with me. The first day is very slow compared to video mafia. Teemu is a video mafia player in general, which means he might be used to taking a side quickly and seeing how things develop (which they do at a blistering pace) (I don't know him very well, these are assumptions). I'm not particularly familiar with that side of mafia (although I play the sc2 mod, I really just lurk in the shadows and attack suspicious people), but I would assume that this is fairly normal. I did see a post that mentioned that Teemu's style is different than that, so I don't really know- perhaps he's trying to adapt but only being partially successful? I'm not really suspicious of either meatpudding or Teemu yet. If someone that knows him well explains his style to me, I'll try to see if he's playing weirdly, but someone else will be a better judge of that. This part of the post started with meatpudding and ended in Teemu. I think that the two are connected somehow, but this could be completely baseless.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 22 2014 05:46 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 02:21 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 22 2014 02:14 Teemursu wrote:On June 22 2014 02:07 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 22 2014 01:53 Teemursu wrote:On June 22 2014 01:39 NydusHerMain wrote:
As someone who plays with you a lot in video mafia, I feel like this is not a typical read of yours. Seems a bit forced, and I hope that it's a reaction test. If it is, I'd like you to explain what you got from it.
Why does it seem forced? I'm not reaction testing him. I did get a towny feel from what he said in the brackets.
I don't think scum align themselves so quickly. The read seems a bit weak but I don't necessarily think it comes from scum. Your read on TheKingOfCats seems to come from a towny perspective. Not sure what to think of you yet but leaning town.
I don't really hear you giving town/scum perspective reads either. I didn't necessarily read his defensiveness caused by TheKingOfCats's null read to come from a towny perspective. Could you specifically explain that read? When I play with you in video mafia, your town reads come from hearing people give several reads, and deciding on whether or not you like their logic. Seeing you give a quick town read for something very small that I personally don't see as being particularly alignment indicative is very weird from you. Perhaps your playstyle is different on forum mafia but if this were video mafia, you'd be quick to drop into my scum list. Having played with me before, you should know that my town and scum reads come from small things that people do or say whereas your reads come from a bigger picture. Reading the posts again, I realize that TheKingOfCats didn't even give a null read, rather, he gave no read at all. Meatpudding's defensiveness actually does seem scummy. I am getting names mixed up and should read more carefully. Personally, I feel like I'm expressing things here that I don't normally bother saying in video. I agree with you getting town reads from small things, but I rarely hear you explain reads by saying from which alignment/perspective players are telling their reads. In either case, we should evaluate each other based on this game alone. Discussing how our play might differ from different form of mafia is probably not going to give us much. In any case, what's your read on TheKingOfCats? My read on TheKingOfCats so far is that he is potential scum with MeatPudding. On June 21 2014 23:17 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:51 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 22:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:46 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. I don't like this. What don't you like about it? The joke felt forced. Admitting to lurking and not at least saying you'll have more reads later on in the day rings scummy to me. Anyway, I just wanted to ping someone out. Do you have any early reads? It's too early for me to have any reads. Seeing as this is Meatpudding's first game i don't think his post was alignment indicative but if he doesn't contribute anything he'll be a good lynch regardless of his alignment. On June 22 2014 01:49 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:52 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:On June 21 2014 23:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:09 meatpudding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote:
Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes.
I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e.
I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though).
My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar.
I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Since you're wondering, it was a direct response to this post. I usually browse custom maps but don't often post there. What was a direct response to that post? This post was a response to Templar: On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course. Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town? TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. So I didn't specifically call you out. Apparently I got a reaction anyway, which is good, considering I just said I only pinged you out. I don't feel like TheKingOfCats is trying to lynch you at all, and I'm not sure how I should read your defensiveness about that (new player/mafia being pushed). He did give a fence read on you though. Like, It's obvious that we should lynch people who don't contribute at all. He's someone I'm going to keep my eye on. Please explain to me how i gave a fence read on meatpudding when i didn't give a read on him at all. I find it weird that TheKingOfCats' first reaction is to question Teemu on a supposed "null read" when I feel like MeatPudding saying that TheKingOfCats is trying to lynch him (pretty much saying that TheKingOfCats has a scum read on him) is a much scummier thing. I didn't really see his post as scummy just poorly worded, plus people had already jumped on it so i didn't need to ask him myself. It does look a bit odd, though. Meatpudding seems to have reacted, a lot, to your post. Definitely more than you were intending considering you were trying to be passive about it. Why? Well, he could be scum. I don't know his skill level but his responses actually made it look like (to the rest of the town) that you were pressuring him, and I guess that could translate to being mafia. Not sure.
My reads so far: (also TLDR) -Suspecting Nydus because he's got multiple standards on whether seeing something from a towny perspective is ok. -No idea on meatpudding, so Null read for now and I'll change it later. I think it will be resolved by the end of the day. -Cats is more involved than I thought he would be. But he's not doing anything in particular. Asking for more than he has. -Teemu agrees with me and "thinks I'm town", which I always appreciate, but he "thinks I'm town". He could be a town, or a mafia trying to make both of us or just me look mafia. Again, completely ambiguous and I'm not sure. I have come to two conclusions: -Cats is my best guess at this point for scum. -I'm not nearly as good as I thought I was. This has already gotten too complicated for simple analysis. On June 22 2014 08:20 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 08:15 Lord Tolkien wrote:There really isn't much to say right now. All I can say is that Teemursu is my only solid read for me atm (as town). While Nydus has played with him before and says this behavior is alignment-null, he's instigating the scumhunting that town sorely needs early D1. As a result, I would peg him as town (or at least, a non-viable D1 lynch). That being said, I don't agree with any of the early lynch candidates thus far (as in, I don't have a strong enough read on any of them currently), and would rather lynch a lurker at this point in time. That includes scott, because his post was pretty much a non-response. Of Cats or meatpudding, if I had to choose a D1 lynch atm, I'd vote meatpudding solely based on thread contribution.
-Teemu agrees with me and "thinks I'm town", which I always appreciate, but he "thinks I'm town". He could be a town, or a mafia trying to make both of us or just me look mafia. Again, completely ambiguous and I'm not sure.
My general impression of mafia players in my limited experience is that they work to distance themselves as much as possible. I personally do not read too much into it atm; without a flip it's speculation. Personally, I don't know about Teemu, partly because I don't know about video mafia. I'm going to research this further. Scum-hunting isn't essential on day 1; I think it's more of a developing point in the game but that's just my two cents. I don't like Scott's posts very much. I'd like you to imagine that Teemu had absolutely no experience in video mafia prior to this forum game. I say this because I feel like you're holding back on reading him because of two possible reasons. One, you're used to active day 1 scum hunting as being a mafia tell but I'm telling you that it's not. Two, you're scum trying to give multiple null reads in order to keep your options open in the future. I have no defense for this. At the time, there were two people up for consideration for lynches being MeatPudding and MysterMeat1 and at the time, MysteryMeat1 was a little scummier for me. Ok, if we ignore the fact that the main reason you gave for thinking MM was scum is observably false was there anything else about his play that struck you as scummy? Also do you have any reasons to think me or Templar could be scum other than weak or non-existent reasons that are tied to one of your townreads flipping red? I skimmed through the posts and stopped around teemu/templar/mp's when the interactions happened and started focusing. Thought I read you saying you wanted to push or something like that. Reread, realized you said nothing about that. Er he didn't say you scumread him but he said you wanted to lynch him. We were voting at the time between MM and MP and I thought MP was towny, MM wasn't really pinging my town radar after I had given him a townread. The shit he was saying was weird and scummy. Templar I'm unsure about hence my fence read on him. For you, I'm actually starting to read you townier and townier as you start to fight with me but otherwise, gimme a minute and I can build a case. I'm just responding quickly so that you stop headbanging because I can't seem to respond to everyone at once.
What's the difference, and why were you considering pressuring me?
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On June 25 2014 12:05 NydusHerMain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 12:02 GlowingBear wrote:On June 25 2014 11:50 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 25 2014 11:48 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 25 2014 11:47 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 25 2014 11:44 The_Templar wrote:On June 25 2014 11:42 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 25 2014 11:38 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 25 2014 11:36 The_Templar wrote:On June 25 2014 11:34 Tehpoofter wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 25 2014 07:57 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 05:57 Tehpoofter wrote:GOOD NEWS FOLKS I have come to save this village from imminent fail. I never should have left Teemu and Nydus in charge. I will give mafia an hour to concede. At which point if our town surrender demands are not met I will begin referring to mafia as wolves to further degrade them and calling them out one by one. I have linked the hero before me's beautiful filter for full analysis: On June 21 2014 22:48 Solar424 wrote:
Hello. I am new to TL, and this is the first time playing Mafia online, bu I know the rules. RIP Solar424 2014-2014. Oh good, I guess mafia is surrendering in a few minutes. Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 06:09 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 25 2014 06:05 Teemursu wrote:
Banks, if there's anything you want to talk about while you're going through the pages, let me know! You may have said it before but who is your top wolf/village. (<<<<<<<<< Please use the following format.
Top Town: Tehpoofter
Town: Mr.White, Colonel Mustard
Wolfy: Professor Plum, Mr. Green
OUTTED WOLF: The Candlestick
The_Templar
KOTC
Hobbitus
Haru* Tehpoofter Epishade* mtamburini, GlowingBear*
Teemu* Nydus*
Jabberwockzerg
Meatpudding
*Going to talk about these further mtamburini is in the center, bolded, to draw the line between more mafia and more scum, as I have literally zero clue about his alignment so far (he hasn't posted ). Only the ones in green/red I have any strong feelings about. Haru: Only not green because he's sort of erratic. He's jumped immediately onto people for small mistakes, which is ok, but he's also sometimes making assumptions (It's not unlikely but he takes it as completely true). He does a lot of extra stuff I wanted to do to look town in my first game, particularly making a list of important posts and asking a LOT of questions, both of which I like this game. Epishade: He made one suspicious post so far, which knocked him down quite a bit on my list as well as everyone else's. Show nested quote +On June 24 2014 14:35 Epishade wrote:
Ermm, I was really not expecting Token to get shot, of all people. I expected either myself, Haruhi, or Templar to die tbh, as we've all been townread for the majority of the game by most people. Token could have been a potential case if someone were to call him out, so I have a hard time rationalizing why mafia would shoot Token over someone more townie.
The only way I can see Token's shot being justified is if mafia thought he was on the right track and shot him to get rid of him, because objectively, that looked like a bad shot to me. You usually shoot people that have little chance of getting lynched for reading townie, but there seemed to be enough suspicion on Token (or at least, more than the three people I listed above) for me to think that that wasn't the reason he was shot.
There are a few people that Token scumreads over day 1, and I think that probably played a part in his death.
His scumreads:
JabberZerg (initially, then changed his mind to a townread at 4:00, which wouldn't have given mafia time to change their shot if JabberZerg wanted to keep Token alive for townreading him, assuming that Jabber is mafia)
meatpudding
Teemursu
Cats
His townreads:
Haruhi
Templar
me
Hobbit (only in his post at 4:00)
Fence reads:
Nydus
Dunno reads:
GlowBear
Other peoples
So I think the cases should probably be focused on people in his scum list at this point. I mean, he did say for people to look at me, GlowBear, and Nydus day 2 in his 4:02 post, but I'm not considering these specifically right now because they came too late to be able to influence mafia, and I'm only looking at the reasoning for shooting Token here over someone else.
He also asked me to post my reads on him, Cats, and meatpudding at this point, too, but I woke up too early today and am dead tired. I'll post my reads on everybody I have reads for sometime tomorrow after I wake up.
Night all. Why did he assume that Tolkien's scum list influenced the mafia's decision, and why did he assume that Tolkien's list was even accurate (he didn't ever have a read on him)? Sort of odd… but he has followed up on his promise to post read this day (it's a good list too, you should read it), which is more than a lot of people in this game have done, and admitted he was wrong about his assumptions instead of insisting we were wrong (a lot of people have done this). GlowingBear: Null reads galore at the beginning of the game, sort of jumping on stuff a bit late, but does offer some short analysis quite often (more lists the possibilities than concluding anything). Not sure about him. In addition, this post: Show nested quote +On June 24 2014 03:19 GlowingBear wrote:On June 24 2014 03:04 HaruRH wrote:On June 24 2014 02:15 GlowingBear wrote:
I think Haru is dangerous because he leads our reads. He ask questions to be answered and, therefore, changes the route of our reasoning. If he is scum, he has got us on his hands.
But I never saw any scum sign in his posts. I think he ask good questions that may help town. So, I think he is townie. please don't think of me this way Haha don't worry, I have good feelings towards you. You sound greeny, even blueish to me. I just like to cover all possibilities. I'd be too naive if I didn't. Overly casual townie, or subtle scum trying to get town panicking? I bet you can't tell. Teemu: I don't like a lot of what he's been doing and he's too consistent in this game. He's pretty much been reading me as town for the whole game, without really clarifying it. After he straightened out what he meant by me being towny earlier, he stopped addressing me completely. Exactly the same situation with Nydus. But when he reads a mafia, he doesn't let go, instead continually emphasizing how much he thinks they're mafia (see meatpudding). And even though he's been trying to take charge of the town, he still used GlowingBear to create a scum read out of Epishade when he had him as on the fence, not really drawing his own conclusions. Also, what the hell is this? Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 06:26 Teemursu wrote:On June 25 2014 06:25 NydusHerMain wrote:
It's just as hard to read Tehpoofter in forum mafia as it is to read him in video mafia it appears -_- .... I'll have a large writeup in about 2 hours. I want to just make one big post with what I think about everyone in general Great. More posts that I don't want to read. However, he's really aggressive, friendly and I think he's trying to be/seem helpful so I don't want to put him on my scum list right now. Nydus: Do something helpful and not directly related to Teemu and I'll move you back to neutral. Are we talking about the same post Templar? This one I have spoiled above is the one you made which includes his original post in it. I have bolded where you thought it was scummy. I just find it odd that you thought it was scummy then since then hadn't commented that you no longer felt that way and feel the need to quite strongly disagree with me. I wasn't talking about that post, no. I was talking about his clarification later: On June 25 2014 10:47 Epishade wrote:
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Honestly, I'm surprised you put me at the top of your list. Even I wouldn't put myself there lol.
I read your explanation and, though I'm glad you read me as townie, even I'd still have my suspicions about me if I were in your place over my Token being shot post. To put me over someone who hasn't made anybody suspicious all game, like Templar, who you left null, seems like a strange choice to me.
I know I lost a bit of townieness when I posted my Token post. I knew I would before I posted it actually, but I'd rather post information that I thought would be relevant in catching scum and lose townie cred than ignore it altogether due to wifom. Actually, I thought that somebody might bring up the idea that I was scum, and that I shot Token just so I could make that post and throw off town's track, but nobody posted suspicions about that. Instead people posted that I had neglected some scenarios, which is true, too. The post you quoted, I still think is a bit scummy, and yeah I'm not super sure about Epishade anymore. I was just trying to clarify what he said later. Ok we were talking about two different posts for a bit I thought I was taking crazy pills or something. lol. BTW Nydus is scum. If you're town and don't want to get mislynched tomorrow, back off me before my role flips. Thanks. Are you subtly trying to claim blue? Because I don't think that will help your case very much. This is not how he would claim a blue this is him just saying I'm wrong. I still need him to give me his read on the adorable mafia in his eyes. A couple of posts sounded a little bit towny but I need more content for a definitive read. Not actually "clearly mafia" but claiming a polarized opinion brings out a stronger reaction. Too late I guess for that Lol no I think you done good his reaction was scummy. He like instantly noticed and says "whoa vote a lurker not me bro" I'm trying to understand his pressure vote on me because he read no scum signs before. I cannot give him the answers he is looking for when I don't know why this vote happened. How can I try to prove I'm town when I don't know the reasons someone would say I'm scum? I've always been firmly into lynching meatpudding and my opinion hasn't changed. Meatpudding has being lurking for a while and although I have my reads on Epishade are slightly scum, I think town would get better advantage lynching meatpudding and understanding his flip. Pressuring meatpudding and Epishade would give better results than pressuring me, IMO. On why lynching meatpudding is the best option in my point of view is that there were a lot of interactions with him in the beginning of the game that left doubts (as for kingofcarrots alignment, in example). His flip would help getting better reads of those interactions. Poofter said, we should put more pressure on people, so I decided to try and garner a reaction from someone I didn't have a strong opinion on. I got buried for it instead. My bad. You can pressure who you want if you think they're scummy. I like epishade, and I like meatpudding as town.
There are nicer ways to ask for information from people that aren't lurking.
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On June 25 2014 22:21 meatpudding wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 22:15 HaruRH wrote:On June 25 2014 22:11 meatpudding wrote:On June 25 2014 20:18 HaruRH wrote:On June 25 2014 13:06 meatpudding wrote:
Hey guys. Just read through.
Welcome Banks and Mtamburini.
Hobbitus
GlowingBear
Epishade
Cats
Jabberwockzerg
Templar
Nydus
Haru
Teemu
##Vote: Teemursu
Haruhi and Cats have been moving up on my town list since last night.
Teemu still on my scum read. Although I have to consider, would he be pushing me so hard if he was scum?
Nydus post on me, could be town, or could be scummy so he can stay safe when I flip.
I'm so paranoid now that I want to die just so the game moves forward. Meatpudding, explain ALL your reads properly. I am starting to think that you're throwing in names randomly. You townread templar, and yet you put him in fence. ??? So did you move me up from townlean to fence??? How are you reading jabber as fence??? jabber not posting much. not sure about that. could be scum or could be lurking blue. nothing particularly scummy except lack of content. Templar I've been leaning scum to leaning town. I am probably most fenced with Templar right now. Bear I had as town, but re-reding his filter I feel he was under the radar quite a bit in D1. Then he picks up a lot and I expect him (and us all) to keep up the pressure throughout the day. Hobbit to me has been reading town, consistent, good reads. Maybe seemed too cautious until now. I was actually reading Nydus as town for most of the game. Now, this isn't the scummiest thing, but at the time it put me back on the fence here. When he made his town read on me I thought he might be trying to distance himself from a wagon. (I received the first vote today so it's hard to not talk about others reads on me). I made the note about paranoia because I don't want to say that it's suspicious for anyone to read me as scum or even town. I'm not confident at all that ANYONE is not scum. I was leaning town but now I'm on the fence. Haru if you were roleblocked by mafia then you are top town obv. But if you were blocked by blue town it's a different story.Cats was initially a scum read for me as well. His line of questioning seems to be moving forward. I will be interested in his reads later in the day. Epi's not being too committed to any reads I feel. But his posts try to draw out a very clear picture. You do know that the most possible reason for me being roleblocked was because of glowingbear's call out on me for blue, right? Do you think town would have done that? (I hope not lol) Yes. And I suppose if Bear came to that conclusion, mafia could have sensed it as well, even if they didn't say so. I think the reason I suspected you in the first place is maybe the way you play as blue? You seemed to be lurking a bit. Anyway I said I'm on the fence but I'm really just deciding to take your role call at face value.
Has Haru even claimed blue? I don't think he has...
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A list of Teemu's accusations against meatpudding
On June 22 2014 21:09 Teemursu wrote:
Meatpudding, I don't even know who Templar is..?
I get a lot of reads based on people's interaction with me (how they accuse me, etc), and so far yours has been very poor. You keep throwing scum at me without giving any explanation or backing up. Which of my reads have been off and how? Do you disagree with some or do you disagree with my reasons for my reads?
Honestly, I'm only trying to give you a chance to project town here by talking about reads, but you keep failing at it, which is making you my top scum read.
Speaking of throwing scum, people have been throwing scum at Scott, and I really wish he didn't become unmotivated as town because mafia pushed on him. >_>
Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 21:24 Teemursu wrote:On June 22 2014 20:58 meatpudding wrote:
Not very sure how to vote. I could read players that are defensive as scum.
##Vote: HaruRH
Haru is not really pushing town agenda. Asking vague questions, not pushing anyone in particular. Calling out when Hobbitus contradicts herself, does not seem like a good read to me.
I'm still leaning towards Teemu as scum. Teemu and Templar have played before, maybe that is why they are acting familiar, but it seems like Teemu's reads are off.
Addressed this above.
Cats is asking lots of questions, I am leaning town here.
Why do you lean town on him then? Anyone can ask questions and still not provide with any information (Jabber pointed this out, and it's the reason why he is my town read with Nydus).
On Templar, I think only his one long post gives much info. I think he plays town, but could be trying to give false info.
What makes you lean on him giving false information instead of actually just having wrong reads as town? Town don't have perfect information, mafia does.
Tolkien seems noncommittal, then starts a bandwagon. Not sure here.
I feel like this read is very weak, it feels like you're too afraid to give an actual read on him. If I see you flip as scum, I'm going to like Haru's push on Tolkien a lot more. I've started my bandwagon, given reads and reasons, yet you think I'm more scummy than Tolkien even when he's being, as you said, "noncommittal". I think everyone should consider Meatpudding as a serious lynch candidate today.
On June 23 2014 20:26 Teemursu wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 23 2014 12:16 meatpudding wrote:Teemu Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 22:51 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 22:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:46 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. I don't like this. What don't you like about it? The joke felt forced. Admitting to lurking and not at least saying you'll have more reads later on in the day rings scummy to me.Anyway, I just wanted to ping someone out. Do you have any early reads? Way to jump to conclusions. Anyway I pointed this out before that I was introducing myself and responding to Templar. Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote:
Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes.
I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e.
I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though).
My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar.
I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Teemu was really quick to start pushing on me at the start and yet 20 mins later making town lean calls on Templar. Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 22:59 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 22:53 The_Templar wrote:On June 21 2014 22:48 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 20:57 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 20:48 HaruRH wrote:On June 21 2014 20:41 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Hello people, i have a stupid username. I've been playing mafia on OMGUS (TL's evil twin that's locked in the basement and fed a bucket of fish heads every night) since last october. Between then and now i was somehow voted season 2 best town so if my play is terrible it's pretty much a certainty that i'm scum. Yea your scum play is horrible, to the extent of nearly being modkilled. I hope you aren't going to afk :/ I should be more active this game because i actually know how to play town. I was quiet in my last game because i have no idea what i'm doing as scum. How was i nearly modkilled in that game? How DO you play town? Let's talk! Do you read into tone perhaps? Who do you like/dislike? There's this guy named Teemursu who's taking things really seriously at the beginning of day 1. In all seriousness, no reads for me yet as we've just introduced each other. Meatpudding's joke seemed a bit… random, (trying to get things friendly between everyone perhaps?) but I don't think it really means anything. Yeah, I'm probably the most serious person you'll meet on this forum. I actually kinda like this read. Feels like it's coming from a towny perspective. We -are- all new here and some are playing for the first time, and your read has that ring to it. Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:09 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 23:04 Hobbitus wrote:On June 21 2014 22:51 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 22:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:46 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. I don't like this. What don't you like about it? The joke felt forced. Admitting to lurking and not at least saying you'll have more reads later on in the day rings scummy to me. Anyway, I just wanted to ping someone out. Do you have any early reads? Weird that you say that before meatpudding even reacts? But I'm with Templar, too early for me to get any reads. Might've been too early, agreed. I'm probably too used to video mafia's speed. I did get a towny vibe from Templar, though, so it's not like I came out empty-handed. To me, Teemu's willingness to make these reads based on one or two posts seems hasty and irrational. I (semi-seriously) pointed out that Teemu and Templar are likely a scum team trying to make false headway. (Hence my reading of Templar's future posts from that perspective.) Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:17 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:51 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 22:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:46 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. I don't like this. What don't you like about it? The joke felt forced. Admitting to lurking and not at least saying you'll have more reads later on in the day rings scummy to me. Anyway, I just wanted to ping someone out. Do you have any early reads? It's too early for me to have any reads. Seeing as this is Meatpudding's first game i don't think his post was alignment indicative but if he doesn't contribute anything he'll be a good lynch regardless of his alignment. Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:52 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:On June 21 2014 23:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:09 meatpudding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote:
Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes.
I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e.
I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though).
My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar.
I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Since you're wondering, it was a direct response to this post. I usually browse custom maps but don't often post there. What was a direct response to that post? This post was a response to Templar: On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course. Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town? TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. So I didn't specifically call you out. Apparently I got a reaction anyway, which is good, considering I just said I only pinged you out. I don't feel like TheKingOfCats is trying to lynch you at all, and I'm not sure how I should read your defensiveness about that (new player/mafia being pushed). He did give a fence read on you though. Like, It's obvious that we should lynch people who don't contribute at all. He's someone I'm going to keep my eye on. Teemu trying to cover his tracks? Who was the first to suggest I should be lynched? - Teemu. I think that he plays too well to make mistakes like this. The only thing that could excuse him is because I'm a new player, his reads are wrong because I'm not playing the normal way.Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 19:36 Teemursu wrote:Hey guys, I'm here to stomp mafia. Lynch my day 1 scum reads, and we're all good.
I'm in the middle of some video mafia. Hope some discussion is on the way once I come back. My name (Teemu) comes from my mum & dad. Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 12:46 Teemursu wrote:On June 22 2014 08:20 The_Templar wrote:On June 22 2014 08:15 Lord Tolkien wrote:There really isn't much to say right now. All I can say is that Teemursu is my only solid read for me atm (as town). While Nydus has played with him before and says this behavior is alignment-null, he's instigating the scumhunting that town sorely needs early D1. As a result, I would peg him as town (or at least, a non-viable D1 lynch). That being said, I don't agree with any of the early lynch candidates thus far (as in, I don't have a strong enough read on any of them currently), and would rather lynch a lurker at this point in time. That includes scott, because his post was pretty much a non-response. Of Cats or meatpudding, if I had to choose a D1 lynch atm, I'd vote meatpudding solely based on thread contribution.
-Teemu agrees with me and "thinks I'm town", which I always appreciate, but he "thinks I'm town". He could be a town, or a mafia trying to make both of us or just me look mafia. Again, completely ambiguous and I'm not sure.
My general impression of mafia players in my limited experience is that they work to distance themselves as much as possible. I personally do not read too much into it atm; without a flip it's speculation. Personally, I don't know about Teemu, partly because I don't know about video mafia. I'm going to research this further. Scum-hunting isn't essential on day 1; I think it's more of a developing point in the game but that's just my two cents. I don't like Scott's posts very much. It's where I am the strongest in my town play.
Anyway, Cats is finally asking some better questions, so I am moving my focus on ## VOTE MeatpuddingI'm not sure about the Scott bandwagon, but pressuring him is not a bad idea. Teemu would have us believe that his D1 scum reads are infallible. So far he has only made one strong call to mafia (guess who) which seems suspicious to me. He has basically stopped pressuring now that he has made up his mind, and that I have helped convince half of town that I may be scum anyway. Easy lynch for Teemu. Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 21:09 Teemursu wrote:
Meatpudding, I don't even know who Templar is..?
I get a lot of reads based on people's interaction with me (how they accuse me, etc), and so far yours has been very poor. You keep throwing scum at me without giving any explanation or backing up. Which of my reads have been off and how? Do you disagree with some or do you disagree with my reasons for my reads?
Honestly, I'm only trying to give you a chance to project town here by talking about reads, but you keep failing at it, which is making you my top scum read.
Speaking of throwing scum, people have been throwing scum at Scott, and I really wish he didn't become unmotivated as town because mafia pushed on him. >_>
Not the strongest case, all things considered. At least your activity level went up, but you still haven't addressed some of the suspicion I've had on you. Where am I covering tracks? I'm saying you're scummy for thinking Cats is trying to lynch you, since he wasn't. That came to me as overdefensive and I wanted to push on you for that. You didn't do much to defend yourself, ask others why they think you're scum and why they're voting you. Since you didn't get lynched day 1, I expect a lot more from you day 2. I don't know where you get the idea that I've made up my mind and that I want to stop pushing you. The pressure is still on you, and I haven't been the only one putting it forward. Discuss with others as well about you. We should all try to find out your alignment, instead of you trying to OMGUS me.
On June 23 2014 21:10 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 20:59 meatpudding wrote:On June 23 2014 19:04 Teemursu wrote:This post Strikes me as off a little bit. + Show Spoiler +"The posts are generally designed to appear useful, but are actually all that. He is the first one to raise the Scott=inexperienced issue (irrelevant to why I voted onto him, but still a defense of Scott when scum would probably let him burn if he was town) however, which Nydus and Teemu bandwagon onto later. Which is why only a slight scum feeling." First off, I don't understand this post. Jabber is scummy because he was the first one to give the read on Scott, and Nydus and myself agreeing with him makes him scummy? "Didn't say anything about the noticeable push onto Scott I (and Templar) made" In my opinion, it wasn't anything noticeable. I had a slight town lean on Scott, and I didn't feel like there was any reason for me to defend him. If you want to hear my opinion/reads on your posts where you push him, please link them and I will give my two cents. "or the spat between myself and Haru when we were on." I had a town lean on Haru in the first place, and I was waiting for his case/accusation on you. Based on what I saw by quickly skimming through, I'm going to have to pressure you and Cats tomorrow. I need to re-evaluate MeatPudding once I see his post about me calling him out on his weak reads. His accusation on you is interesting, since MM had kind of the same thing going on against both you and Cats. Seeing how I read this whole clusterfudge, Cats got very defensive about it, and you backed him up and pushed a misslynch, while you left Haru's thing hanging when you started focusing on MM. . IF you had the choice to narrow voting to two candidates, would you choose me and Cats, or me and Tolkien? Tolkien and you. We still have the whole next day, though, and I can imagine the dynamic to change. To put it simply, I'm reading you as scum because of your weak play and inconsistency and I'm reading Cats and Tolkien scum for their interactions and reasons for pushing MM1 yesterday. Thus, if you can provide me with content that makes me want to put you higher in my town list, I can see myself prefering Cats and Tolkien as the main two wagons tomorrow.
On June 25 2014 06:26 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 06:23 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 25 2014 06:16 HaruRH wrote:
Top Town: Templar, myself.
Town: Glowingbear, kotc, teemu
Fence : hobbitus
Scum: nydus, epi
Top scum: jabber, meatpudding
Probably scum for making me talk about wolf: mtam, poofter Good distancing. Also so you both agree meatpudding is a wolf you guys voting him I assume? YES, PLEASE, KILL HIM. ## Vote: MeatPuddingI half-forgot that it's the day and that we can vote again. yay.
Way too eager in this last one IMO, and then suddenly he rescinds his vote???
On June 25 2014 20:08 Teemursu wrote:I actually rescind about making a case on MeatPudding. I feel like I've gone against him the strongest, and I've had multiple posts where I've discussed with him/haven't voted on him. If people aren't convinced by my push on him, then I'm going to divert my attention to someone else. We obviously haven't hit on mafia yet and there still are others alive who town would rather lynch. I think Nydus actually might be mafia. His read on Epishade is very weak. I asked him to provide examples on Epishade and give reasoning on those examples (yes, in plural). So far the reason Nydus has called him top town is that he's been "objective" and that Epishade posts a wishy washy list of conditional scum/flip logic that doesn't really mean anything. Only because people have pushed on someone, and that person flips as either alignment, doesn't clear or put people who actively pushed that person under suspicion. I just played a video mafia game where a VT pushed a ML on Day 1 and I caught two of the three mafia by looking at how they supported the person who was the most active pusher. Nydus should be a way better player and recognise to that Epishade's contribution today does in fact NOT put him as "top town" for his "objectiveness". This takes me to a second possible mafia, Epishade. Show nested quote +I don't know if I left out anybody in here, as Teemursu's filter is 9 pages...and there is a whole lot to read not just in his filter, but everywhere. Goddammit, this is a mini-mafia, why are there already 60+ pages by day 2? Show nested quote +I think I'm leaning more toward Teemursu or meatpudding right now, but idk exactly. meatpudding hasn't posted more than once after Token was shot, so I don't know what his current thoughts are right now. I'd rather make a vote when he posts I think. Firstly, he wants to vote between two people who have gone the hardest against each other (ignoring MM1 vs. Tolkien and Cats). He says he doesn't have a clear preference, then he says he wants to vote on me. He seems to understand I post a lot, he doesn't refer to anything specific that I've posted about.
What??
We haven't hit on mafia? I thought you thought meatpudding was mafia? Is he still a scum read for you?
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On June 26 2014 00:22 The_Templar wrote:A list of Teemu's accusations against meatpudding Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 21:09 Teemursu wrote:
Meatpudding, I don't even know who Templar is..?
I get a lot of reads based on people's interaction with me (how they accuse me, etc), and so far yours has been very poor. You keep throwing scum at me without giving any explanation or backing up. Which of my reads have been off and how? Do you disagree with some or do you disagree with my reasons for my reads?
Honestly, I'm only trying to give you a chance to project town here by talking about reads, but you keep failing at it, which is making you my top scum read.
Speaking of throwing scum, people have been throwing scum at Scott, and I really wish he didn't become unmotivated as town because mafia pushed on him. >_>
Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 21:24 Teemursu wrote:On June 22 2014 20:58 meatpudding wrote:
Not very sure how to vote. I could read players that are defensive as scum.
##Vote: HaruRH
Haru is not really pushing town agenda. Asking vague questions, not pushing anyone in particular. Calling out when Hobbitus contradicts herself, does not seem like a good read to me.
I'm still leaning towards Teemu as scum. Teemu and Templar have played before, maybe that is why they are acting familiar, but it seems like Teemu's reads are off.
Addressed this above.
Cats is asking lots of questions, I am leaning town here.
Why do you lean town on him then? Anyone can ask questions and still not provide with any information (Jabber pointed this out, and it's the reason why he is my town read with Nydus).
On Templar, I think only his one long post gives much info. I think he plays town, but could be trying to give false info.
What makes you lean on him giving false information instead of actually just having wrong reads as town? Town don't have perfect information, mafia does.
Tolkien seems noncommittal, then starts a bandwagon. Not sure here.
I feel like this read is very weak, it feels like you're too afraid to give an actual read on him. If I see you flip as scum, I'm going to like Haru's push on Tolkien a lot more. I've started my bandwagon, given reads and reasons, yet you think I'm more scummy than Tolkien even when he's being, as you said, "noncommittal". I think everyone should consider Meatpudding as a serious lynch candidate today. Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 20:26 Teemursu wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 23 2014 12:16 meatpudding wrote:Teemu Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 22:51 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 22:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:46 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. I don't like this. What don't you like about it? The joke felt forced. Admitting to lurking and not at least saying you'll have more reads later on in the day rings scummy to me.Anyway, I just wanted to ping someone out. Do you have any early reads? Way to jump to conclusions. Anyway I pointed this out before that I was introducing myself and responding to Templar. Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote:
Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes.
I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e.
I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though).
My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar.
I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Teemu was really quick to start pushing on me at the start and yet 20 mins later making town lean calls on Templar. Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 22:59 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 22:53 The_Templar wrote:On June 21 2014 22:48 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 20:57 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 20:48 HaruRH wrote:On June 21 2014 20:41 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Hello people, i have a stupid username. I've been playing mafia on OMGUS (TL's evil twin that's locked in the basement and fed a bucket of fish heads every night) since last october. Between then and now i was somehow voted season 2 best town so if my play is terrible it's pretty much a certainty that i'm scum. Yea your scum play is horrible, to the extent of nearly being modkilled. I hope you aren't going to afk :/ I should be more active this game because i actually know how to play town. I was quiet in my last game because i have no idea what i'm doing as scum. How was i nearly modkilled in that game? How DO you play town? Let's talk! Do you read into tone perhaps? Who do you like/dislike? There's this guy named Teemursu who's taking things really seriously at the beginning of day 1. In all seriousness, no reads for me yet as we've just introduced each other. Meatpudding's joke seemed a bit… random, (trying to get things friendly between everyone perhaps?) but I don't think it really means anything. Yeah, I'm probably the most serious person you'll meet on this forum. I actually kinda like this read. Feels like it's coming from a towny perspective. We -are- all new here and some are playing for the first time, and your read has that ring to it. Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:09 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 23:04 Hobbitus wrote:On June 21 2014 22:51 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 22:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:46 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. I don't like this. What don't you like about it? The joke felt forced. Admitting to lurking and not at least saying you'll have more reads later on in the day rings scummy to me. Anyway, I just wanted to ping someone out. Do you have any early reads? Weird that you say that before meatpudding even reacts? But I'm with Templar, too early for me to get any reads. Might've been too early, agreed. I'm probably too used to video mafia's speed. I did get a towny vibe from Templar, though, so it's not like I came out empty-handed. To me, Teemu's willingness to make these reads based on one or two posts seems hasty and irrational. I (semi-seriously) pointed out that Teemu and Templar are likely a scum team trying to make false headway. (Hence my reading of Templar's future posts from that perspective.) Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:17 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:51 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 22:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:46 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. I don't like this. What don't you like about it? The joke felt forced. Admitting to lurking and not at least saying you'll have more reads later on in the day rings scummy to me. Anyway, I just wanted to ping someone out. Do you have any early reads? It's too early for me to have any reads. Seeing as this is Meatpudding's first game i don't think his post was alignment indicative but if he doesn't contribute anything he'll be a good lynch regardless of his alignment. Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:52 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:On June 21 2014 23:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:09 meatpudding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote:
Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes.
I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e.
I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though).
My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar.
I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Since you're wondering, it was a direct response to this post. I usually browse custom maps but don't often post there. What was a direct response to that post? This post was a response to Templar: On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course. Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town? TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. So I didn't specifically call you out. Apparently I got a reaction anyway, which is good, considering I just said I only pinged you out. I don't feel like TheKingOfCats is trying to lynch you at all, and I'm not sure how I should read your defensiveness about that (new player/mafia being pushed). He did give a fence read on you though. Like, It's obvious that we should lynch people who don't contribute at all. He's someone I'm going to keep my eye on. Teemu trying to cover his tracks? Who was the first to suggest I should be lynched? - Teemu. I think that he plays too well to make mistakes like this. The only thing that could excuse him is because I'm a new player, his reads are wrong because I'm not playing the normal way.Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 19:36 Teemursu wrote:Hey guys, I'm here to stomp mafia. Lynch my day 1 scum reads, and we're all good.
I'm in the middle of some video mafia. Hope some discussion is on the way once I come back. My name (Teemu) comes from my mum & dad. Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 12:46 Teemursu wrote:On June 22 2014 08:20 The_Templar wrote:On June 22 2014 08:15 Lord Tolkien wrote:There really isn't much to say right now. All I can say is that Teemursu is my only solid read for me atm (as town). While Nydus has played with him before and says this behavior is alignment-null, he's instigating the scumhunting that town sorely needs early D1. As a result, I would peg him as town (or at least, a non-viable D1 lynch). That being said, I don't agree with any of the early lynch candidates thus far (as in, I don't have a strong enough read on any of them currently), and would rather lynch a lurker at this point in time. That includes scott, because his post was pretty much a non-response. Of Cats or meatpudding, if I had to choose a D1 lynch atm, I'd vote meatpudding solely based on thread contribution.
-Teemu agrees with me and "thinks I'm town", which I always appreciate, but he "thinks I'm town". He could be a town, or a mafia trying to make both of us or just me look mafia. Again, completely ambiguous and I'm not sure.
My general impression of mafia players in my limited experience is that they work to distance themselves as much as possible. I personally do not read too much into it atm; without a flip it's speculation. Personally, I don't know about Teemu, partly because I don't know about video mafia. I'm going to research this further. Scum-hunting isn't essential on day 1; I think it's more of a developing point in the game but that's just my two cents. I don't like Scott's posts very much. It's where I am the strongest in my town play.
Anyway, Cats is finally asking some better questions, so I am moving my focus on ## VOTE MeatpuddingI'm not sure about the Scott bandwagon, but pressuring him is not a bad idea. Teemu would have us believe that his D1 scum reads are infallible. So far he has only made one strong call to mafia (guess who) which seems suspicious to me. He has basically stopped pressuring now that he has made up his mind, and that I have helped convince half of town that I may be scum anyway. Easy lynch for Teemu. Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 21:09 Teemursu wrote:
Meatpudding, I don't even know who Templar is..?
I get a lot of reads based on people's interaction with me (how they accuse me, etc), and so far yours has been very poor. You keep throwing scum at me without giving any explanation or backing up. Which of my reads have been off and how? Do you disagree with some or do you disagree with my reasons for my reads?
Honestly, I'm only trying to give you a chance to project town here by talking about reads, but you keep failing at it, which is making you my top scum read.
Speaking of throwing scum, people have been throwing scum at Scott, and I really wish he didn't become unmotivated as town because mafia pushed on him. >_>
Not the strongest case, all things considered. At least your activity level went up, but you still haven't addressed some of the suspicion I've had on you. Where am I covering tracks? I'm saying you're scummy for thinking Cats is trying to lynch you, since he wasn't. That came to me as overdefensive and I wanted to push on you for that. You didn't do much to defend yourself, ask others why they think you're scum and why they're voting you. Since you didn't get lynched day 1, I expect a lot more from you day 2. I don't know where you get the idea that I've made up my mind and that I want to stop pushing you. The pressure is still on you, and I haven't been the only one putting it forward. Discuss with others as well about you. We should all try to find out your alignment, instead of you trying to OMGUS me. Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 21:10 Teemursu wrote:On June 23 2014 20:59 meatpudding wrote:On June 23 2014 19:04 Teemursu wrote:This post Strikes me as off a little bit. + Show Spoiler +"The posts are generally designed to appear useful, but are actually all that. He is the first one to raise the Scott=inexperienced issue (irrelevant to why I voted onto him, but still a defense of Scott when scum would probably let him burn if he was town) however, which Nydus and Teemu bandwagon onto later. Which is why only a slight scum feeling." First off, I don't understand this post. Jabber is scummy because he was the first one to give the read on Scott, and Nydus and myself agreeing with him makes him scummy? "Didn't say anything about the noticeable push onto Scott I (and Templar) made" In my opinion, it wasn't anything noticeable. I had a slight town lean on Scott, and I didn't feel like there was any reason for me to defend him. If you want to hear my opinion/reads on your posts where you push him, please link them and I will give my two cents. "or the spat between myself and Haru when we were on." I had a town lean on Haru in the first place, and I was waiting for his case/accusation on you. Based on what I saw by quickly skimming through, I'm going to have to pressure you and Cats tomorrow. I need to re-evaluate MeatPudding once I see his post about me calling him out on his weak reads. His accusation on you is interesting, since MM had kind of the same thing going on against both you and Cats. Seeing how I read this whole clusterfudge, Cats got very defensive about it, and you backed him up and pushed a misslynch, while you left Haru's thing hanging when you started focusing on MM. . IF you had the choice to narrow voting to two candidates, would you choose me and Cats, or me and Tolkien? Tolkien and you. We still have the whole next day, though, and I can imagine the dynamic to change. To put it simply, I'm reading you as scum because of your weak play and inconsistency and I'm reading Cats and Tolkien scum for their interactions and reasons for pushing MM1 yesterday. Thus, if you can provide me with content that makes me want to put you higher in my town list, I can see myself prefering Cats and Tolkien as the main two wagons tomorrow. Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 06:26 Teemursu wrote:On June 25 2014 06:23 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 25 2014 06:16 HaruRH wrote:
Top Town: Templar, myself.
Town: Glowingbear, kotc, teemu
Fence : hobbitus
Scum: nydus, epi
Top scum: jabber, meatpudding
Probably scum for making me talk about wolf: mtam, poofter Good distancing. Also so you both agree meatpudding is a wolf you guys voting him I assume? YES, PLEASE, KILL HIM. ## Vote: MeatPuddingI half-forgot that it's the day and that we can vote again. yay. Way too eager in this last one IMO, and then suddenly he rescinds his vote??? Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 20:08 Teemursu wrote:I actually rescind about making a case on MeatPudding. I feel like I've gone against him the strongest, and I've had multiple posts where I've discussed with him/haven't voted on him. If people aren't convinced by my push on him, then I'm going to divert my attention to someone else. We obviously haven't hit on mafia yet and there still are others alive who town would rather lynch. I think Nydus actually might be mafia. His read on Epishade is very weak. I asked him to provide examples on Epishade and give reasoning on those examples (yes, in plural). So far the reason Nydus has called him top town is that he's been "objective" and that Epishade posts a wishy washy list of conditional scum/flip logic that doesn't really mean anything. Only because people have pushed on someone, and that person flips as either alignment, doesn't clear or put people who actively pushed that person under suspicion. I just played a video mafia game where a VT pushed a ML on Day 1 and I caught two of the three mafia by looking at how they supported the person who was the most active pusher. Nydus should be a way better player and recognise to that Epishade's contribution today does in fact NOT put him as "top town" for his "objectiveness". This takes me to a second possible mafia, Epishade. I don't know if I left out anybody in here, as Teemursu's filter is 9 pages...and there is a whole lot to read not just in his filter, but everywhere. Goddammit, this is a mini-mafia, why are there already 60+ pages by day 2? I think I'm leaning more toward Teemursu or meatpudding right now, but idk exactly. meatpudding hasn't posted more than once after Token was shot, so I don't know what his current thoughts are right now. I'd rather make a vote when he posts I think. Firstly, he wants to vote between two people who have gone the hardest against each other (ignoring MM1 vs. Tolkien and Cats). He says he doesn't have a clear preference, then he says he wants to vote on me. He seems to understand I post a lot, he doesn't refer to anything specific that I've posted about. What?? We haven't hit on mafia? I thought you thought meatpudding was mafia? Is he still a scum read for you?
edit: not rescind vote, rescind case
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On June 26 2014 00:33 Teemursu wrote:
We haven't hit on mafia, as in, a mafia is not dead yet. I said I would be making a bigger case on MeatPudding, but I'm taking that back.
I am not listing MeatPudding as town..
I'm not rescinding my vote off from him. He's still "the main wagon" and I'm still happy to lynch him today.
Also see N1 interactions to find some really scummy logic he said. I'm not sure why you digged part of the stuff I've said, though (also, there is still more).
I dug it to counter meatpudding's claim that your push on him is mostly an OMGUS.
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On June 26 2014 08:57 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:
##Unvote
I'd appreciate it if everyone would read through Jabber's filter and tell me what they think. His filter's only 2 pages so it won't take that long.
Ok. I have a few minutes right now so I'll do that.
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K, wrote a case in about 7 minutes on jabberzerg. Looking at his very thin filter, I now have a very scummy read on him.
On June 23 2014 04:01 jabberwockzerg wrote:
Hey guys, I'm out for most of the day, but I'll try to keep up on my phone, and I'll be home for the last three hours or so to read through all the filters and make my final vote.
I just want to make a quick vote now in case something happens I won't get modkilled.
##Vote: meatpudding
This isn't particularly scummy. Not all of us have hours upon hours to post in this thread and he could have been later, and votes aren't permanent. I think his vote on meatpudding was a bit questionable since he seems to have had a town read on him but he was probably following the general trend of the town (I think there were 4 votes at that point, but it could be 3) due to lack of time. That could be a newbie fear of wanting to not look suspicious after being gone for ~6 hours and following town.
But, is he really going to play an entire game of mafia without having any time? Please.
In the battle of the meats, he takes a neutral stance immediately:
On June 23 2014 10:53 jabberwockzerg wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 10:48 meatpudding wrote:
Back. I'e reading the thread now. If you're voting Mystery or me, then I don't really have a choice anyway. But I'll flesh out my reads anyway. I'm very interested in what you have to say, I'm undecided about which meat to vote for, and you posting at all is a good sign
And then when I make a point about MM not posting, he jumps on it and says he's suspecting him more.
On June 23 2014 11:10 jabberwockzerg wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 10:57 The_Templar wrote:
Wow, is MysteryMeat not defending himself at all right now? Wtf? He even told Scott to fight to the end if he was town... Wow interesting. I'd really love to hear a lot from both the meats, but right now the strongest case is MM
And then:
On June 23 2014 11:58 jabberwockzerg wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 11:56 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
im not going to share my thought process on one person. deal with it... You might not like how I'm gonna deal with it ##Vote: MysteryMeat1
HAHA so cliche
Day 2:
On June 25 2014 12:41 jabberwockzerg wrote:
I am not a girl
Really? The day is half over and you feel the need to make that your first post of the day?
He continues to be as neutral as possible until he can latch onto an opinion.
On June 25 2014 13:00 jabberwockzerg wrote:
I think Nydus's GB vote is interesting.
For me it just boils down to whether or not we believe his pressure explanation.
I'm not sure I do, but maybe some video mafia players can explain if that sort of play is common over there.
"I don't know, but someone who does stuff that I've never done will figure it out for me".
On June 25 2014 13:48 jabberwockzerg wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 13:37 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:
Teemursu, could you lay out your case against meatpudding in full without quoting posts where you've already explained why you're voting for him? As far as i can tell your case against him is mostly based around you not liking his OMGUS of you (although the point you raised about him townreading me and scumreading Haru for basically doing the same thing is interesting) and i really need to hear the case put forward in a different way so i can better understand it. I'd love to see this as well
On June 26 2014 08:30 jabberwockzerg wrote:I'm liking this Nydus vote. His random pressure vote just seems a little off to me Not that pressure votes are scummy, but it's better to be clear with the town that that is what your doing, and Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 11:28 NydusHerMain wrote:
##Vote: GlowingBear
towny feel isn't good enough for me, clearly mafia "isn't good enough for me, clearly mafia"
Basically he's just agreeing with people without offering an opinion at this point.
On June 26 2014 09:09 jabberwockzerg wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2014 09:06 Epishade wrote:@Cats, My recent interactions with him, and his replies to me where he dismisses everything I say as wifom is one thing. I replied back here. On June 26 2014 06:48 Epishade wrote:On June 26 2014 06:23 Teemursu wrote:
have a hard time thinking though that if meatpudding were actual scum with Nydus, that Nydus would be defending him right now It wouldn't make any sense for Nydus to defend meatpudding right now if they were both a scum team. You think Nydus, someone under suspicion right now would point me, someone also fairly suspicious right now, as town if we were mafia partners? If he got lynched and we were mafia partners, then he could assume that I might get lynched next, since he strong town read me when nobody else did I'd have no reason to change my slight townread on him at the start of the game to a scumread midway through. Your scum read on us as partners is faulty at best. All of this is irrelevant non-content WIFOM. Are you serious? You actually think all of the townreading that Nydus has been doing to me is irrelevant and wifom? Why even bother thinking about anything in this game then, since surely if thinking about how logical plays work and how you would expect others to act is wifom, then everything else is then, right? We should just not even bother trying to read people, since everything everyone says and does is wifom, right? On June 26 2014 06:23 Teemursu wrote:
I am not accusing both of you as mafia in association nor have my suspicions been conditional on either one of your alignments.
On June 25 2014 20:08 Teemursu wrote:I actually rescind about making a case on MeatPudding. I feel like I've gone against him the strongest, and I've had multiple posts where I've discussed with him/haven't voted on him. If people aren't convinced by my push on him, then I'm going to divert my attention to someone else. We obviously haven't hit on mafia yet and there still are others alive who town would rather lynch. I think Nydus actually might be mafia. His read on Epishade is very weak. I asked him to provide examples on Epishade and give reasoning on those examples (yes, in plural). So far the reason Nydus has called him top town is that he's been "objective" and that Epishade posts a wishy washy list of conditional scum/flip logic that doesn't really mean anything. Only because people have pushed on someone, and that person flips as either alignment, doesn't clear or put people who actively pushed that person under suspicion. I just played a video mafia game where a VT pushed a ML on Day 1 and I caught two of the three mafia by looking at how they supported the person who was the most active pusher. Nydus should be a way better player and recognise to that Epishade's contribution today does in fact NOT put him as "top town" for his "objectiveness". This takes me to a second possible mafia, Epishade.I don't know if I left out anybody in here, as Teemursu's filter is 9 pages...and there is a whole lot to read not just in his filter, but everywhere. Goddammit, this is a mini-mafia, why are there already 60+ pages by day 2? I think I'm leaning more toward Teemursu or meatpudding right now, but idk exactly. meatpudding hasn't posted more than once after Token was shot, so I don't know what his current thoughts are right now. I'd rather make a vote when he posts I think. Firstly, he wants to vote between two people who have gone the hardest against each other (ignoring MM1 vs. Tolkien and Cats). He says he doesn't have a clear preference, then he says he wants to vote on me. He seems to understand I post a lot, he doesn't refer to anything specific that I've posted about. I took this to mean you were connecting me as potential mafia scum with Nydus, as you said this takes me, referring to your previous argument about Nydus and his views about me. I thought you were drawing a connection between us two as scum by doing that, which is why I assumed you thought we both were scum. Teemursu was on Token's scumlist, which is my personal opinion as a contributing factor to why Token died. I think Teemursu's being incredibly nitpicky against meatpudding too, trying to scumread him for trivial details in meatpudding's posts. That to me is a little scummy. On June 23 2014 22:02 Teemursu wrote:On June 23 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
I was going through KotC's posts when the lynch was taking place. I kind of couldn't make up my mind, even after MM flipped.
I was not happy to vote for MM, because the case against him didn't convince me completely. His own reactions caused a lot of suspicion. though.I can't call Cats or Tolkien scum based on that alone.
Right now my thoughts are
Teemu - potential scum
Tolkien - potential scum
Cats - fence
Templar - town
Odd. It feels like you're hiding something and not wanting to make up your mind about someone.
You say you can't call Tolkien scum based on that, but you agree with me on Tolkien being scum, and you put him into your potential scum list? Just what is this supposed to mean, anyways? You think him not finding something alignment indicative (him saying he can't find Cats or Token scum based on something) means he's hiding something? It's not just against meatpudding though. Here Teemursu agrees with Poof that because I didn't have hard reads on people and labeled them as "townlean" instead of town that that somehow makes me scummy... On June 25 2014 07:28 Teemursu wrote:On June 25 2014 07:21 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 25 2014 07:11 Epishade wrote:Ok, well, I said last night that I'd get around to posting my reads on everybody. This'll probably take a few hours to type up, so I hope things don't drastically change between that time to make my reads obsolete. I'm getting dinner after this, so I'll be back to read afterwards. JabberZerg - Slight town lean + Show Spoiler +JabberZerg is one of the people in this game that I think is playing so bad he couldn't be scum (Jk, not AS bad as Meat anyways). I realize that MysteryMeat was also playing pretty bad, but he was also not helping his case with his aggressiveness and misuse of logic. JabberZerg at least can explain his actions. Jabber puts meatpudding in his townlean at the start of the game here. On June 22 2014 16:20 jabberwockzerg wrote:
yeah, pudding's a townlean
I'd be most comfortable with a tolkien vote, but I want him to read my post about scott and react to it, defend his wagon.
I'll agree with a fence on KittyCats, he's asking questions, but I'm noticing a lack of content. However, he votes for meatpudding later here with the excuse that he wanted to vote someone so he wouldn't be modkilled if something happened. I have to question his choice of voting for meatpudding over someone else. On June 23 2014 04:01 jabberwockzerg wrote:
Hey guys, I'm out for most of the day, but I'll try to keep up on my phone, and I'll be home for the last three hours or so to read through all the filters and make my final vote.
I just want to make a quick vote now in case something happens I won't get modkilled.
##Vote: meatpudding When he comes back, he explains his reasoning behind the vote being that meatpudding was a wagon. On June 23 2014 09:37 jabberwockzerg wrote:
okay first thing's first:
##: Unvote
I voted pudding because, honestly, he was the first person with a wagon that I could remember. I was trying to save my stupid ass from a modkill.
I understand that it looks scummy.
I'll get on reading through filters and give my thoughts on the meat situation ASAP This seems like a really bad reason to vote for someone without having his own reasons for doing so. He understands it looks scummy, as he says. Honestly, I don't think a mafia would make a mistake like this, to vote for someone just because they were a wagon. That seems like way too dumb a move that mafia would make. In the end, he votes for Meat because of spite imo. On June 23 2014 11:58 jabberwockzerg wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 11:56 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
im not going to share my thought process on one person. deal with it... You might not like how I'm gonna deal with it ##Vote: MysteryMeat1 Honestly, I don't blame him for that. Meat was posting like crap at the end. He wouldn't answer some of JabberZerg's qustions either. The way he voted for Meat isn't as methodical like those that listed reasons for voting for Meat. I'd think a mafia is always going to try to be methodical and use pseudo-logic to cover themselves, instead of voting based on emotion. I had a scumread on JabberZerg before I looked through his filter. Now I think he looks a bit town to me. Haruhi - Town + Show Spoiler +Haruhi's posted a lot, and with the recent roleblock, I have to say I'd view her as town. She is conversing a ton, but is not afraid to throw votes on people she thinks is scummy so far. The first comes with her vote on Token. On June 22 2014 11:14 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 08:15 Lord Tolkien wrote:There really isn't much to say right now. All I can say is that Teemursu is my only solid read for me atm (as town). While Nydus has played with him before and says this behavior is alignment-null, he's instigating the scumhunting that town sorely needs early D1. As a result, I would peg him as town (or at least, a non-viable D1 lynch). That being said, I don't agree with any of the early lynch candidates thus far (as in, I don't have a strong enough read on any of them currently), and would rather lynch a lurker at this point in time. That includes scott, because his post was pretty much a non-response. Of Cats or meatpudding, if I had to choose a D1 lynch atm, I'd vote meatpudding solely based on thread contribution.
-Teemu agrees with me and "thinks I'm town", which I always appreciate, but he "thinks I'm town". He could be a town, or a mafia trying to make both of us or just me look mafia. Again, completely ambiguous and I'm not sure.
My general impression of mafia players in my limited experience is that they work to distance themselves as much as possible. I personally do not read too much into it atm; without a flip it's speculation. Lord tolkien, this is the wrong way to approach forum mafia. In forum mafia, you lynch for scum ONLY, not for information/clearing lurkers/usefulness to town. We usually clear lurkers with cops and people useful to town will die quick to mafia anyway. I have a feeling you knew this. Coupled with how you wanted to go with meatpudding but went with scott just for a wagon, you're playing really scummy. ##Vote: lord tolkien I read her as townie for doing this before, so I'll just post my previous reasoning again. On June 22 2014 11:14 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 08:15 Lord Tolkien wrote:There really isn't much to say right now. All I can say is that Teemursu is my only solid read for me atm (as town). While Nydus has played with him before and says this behavior is alignment-null, he's instigating the scumhunting that town sorely needs early D1. As a result, I would peg him as town (or at least, a non-viable D1 lynch). That being said, I don't agree with any of the early lynch candidates thus far (as in, I don't have a strong enough read on any of them currently), and would rather lynch a lurker at this point in time. That includes scott, because his post was pretty much a non-response. Of Cats or meatpudding, if I had to choose a D1 lynch atm, I'd vote meatpudding solely based on thread contribution.
-Teemu agrees with me and "thinks I'm town", which I always appreciate, but he "thinks I'm town". He could be a town, or a mafia trying to make both of us or just me look mafia. Again, completely ambiguous and I'm not sure.
My general impression of mafia players in my limited experience is that they work to distance themselves as much as possible. I personally do not read too much into it atm; without a flip it's speculation. Lord tolkien, this is the wrong way to approach forum mafia. In forum mafia, you lynch for scum ONLY, not for information/clearing lurkers/usefulness to town. We usually clear lurkers with cops and people useful to town will die quick to mafia anyway. I have a feeling you knew this. Coupled with how you wanted to go with meatpudding but went with scott just for a wagon, you're playing really scummy. ##Vote: lord tolkien
I wrote this in response
At this point in the game, I'm going to have to disagree with Haruhi. How could we possibly know who scum is on day one? I have a feeling that Teemursu is possible scum, but I'm not going to vote for Teemursu just yet because he's talking a lot and being active. If he turned out to be actual town that'd be even worse had we voted him off because he was an active contributor. If we get rid of all the active townies, then mafia has a significantly better shot at winning. Token's voting for Scott as someone who hasn't contributed much, which seems justified enough to me. In my first game I voted off a non-contributing townie, and I'd probably do it again, as he didn't defend himself well enough to sway votes off of him.
I personally, though, think that your pushing on Token was too hard, even voting for him so quickly, for it to be scummy though. I'd think a scum wouldn't want to put themselves out like that so easily. So, though I disagree with you for now, that doesn't mean I think you're scum. I'd say you were town for making a move that I found questionable, but only because I think a scum would be better than to make a move so rash. It's all pretty much impossible to tell anyways though.
Again, I tend not to put a lot of thought into day 1 posts. I did on my first mafia game and everything I had gathered at that point turned out to be wrong. I don't want that to happen again here.
Well, I spent an hour and a half writing this out. It's almost 2 now, so I should probably get some sleep. Usually I can stay up a lot later guys, but I'm not at my house right now, so it's not an option right now. Tomorrow I should be able to post more if I see anything I want to add, but I'm getting off for tonight after I post this and refresh. KK.
Her read on meatpudding makes a lot of sense, too. On June 22 2014 21:39 HaruRH wrote:In fact, meatpudding's vote on me is very questionable. 1) Contradicts himselfLet's take a look at his reason to vote for me. + Show Spoiler +On June 22 2014 20:58 meatpudding wrote:
Not very sure how to vote. I could read players that are defensive as scum.
##Vote: HaruRH
Haru is not really pushing town agenda. Asking vague questions, not pushing anyone in particular. Calling out when Hobbitus contradicts herself, does not seem like a good read to me.
I'm still leaning towards Teemu as scum. Teemu and Templar have played before, maybe that is why they are acting familiar, but it seems like Teemu's reads are off.
Cats is asking lots of questions, I am leaning town here.
On Templar, I think only his one long post gives much info. I think he plays town, but could be trying to give false info.
Tolkien seems noncommittal, then starts a bandwagon. Not sure here.
Hobbitus not posting much but looks like town trying to get some early reads.
That's all I have for now. TL'DR Asking vaque questions, not pushing anyone. By looking at what he has posted, all his questions were very vague and he never follows up on the questions. Also, he is pushing even less than me (He only stated he find teemu/Templar suspicious). If he is scum, he is currently finding suspicion on as many people as possible so that it will look less suspicious of him to jump wagons when the situation arises. 2) Does not stick to his readsHe initially read Templar and teemu as potential scum. Then, he votes me based on a 2 liner 'push' that can be applied to half the players here. This is similar to the point where I mention that he could be trying to jump wagons later on without getting suspected of doing so - he can freely jump between voting me, Templar and teemu. This is very indicative of scum since he as explained by himself. This is more than enough for a d1 vote for me. ##Unvote
##Vote: Meatpudding meatpudding doesn't make a whole lot of sense, so Haruhi calls him out on it. I happen to agree, too, and offer my own post about meatpudding where I vote for him. Haruhi's scum stance on meatpudding also attributes to her townieness I feel. Cats - Town lean + Show Spoiler +I really didn't pay much attention to Cats until he pointed out that Meat voted for him while ignoring Token. Honestly, I think I've been tunneling Cats as probable town whole game for little reason other than him being picked out unfairly by Meat and Nydus (whom I didn't agree with his vote). I saw nothing scummy about Cats when he was voted for. His vote for Meat was the most justified however out of all of us. On June 23 2014 07:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Ok, i'm voting MysteryMeat. I really don't like that he said i was super scummy for bringing up the idea of lynching an inactive while completely ignoring the fact that Tolkien did the same thing and voting me for it seeing as thread sentement wasn't exactly in my favour at the time. Him thinking i'm "super scummy" is completely disproportionate to the rest of the thread's view which is null to slightly scummy at best so i'm having a hard time thinking his implied certainty that i'm scum is genuine plus as i said at the time i looked like a likely lynch candidate and two people had voted for me shortly before his post. His double standard regarding my and Tolkien's scumminess combined with his overconfidence that i'm scum posted just when a wagon was forming on me looks like an excuse made up to jump on an easy bandwagon from my pov. Also him posting that a non alignment indicative thing is scummy is itself scummy, he's twisting things to suit his own purposes: Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 22:25 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 22 2014 22:01 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 22 2014 17:49 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
yoyoyoyo whats up guys!
im the mystery of the meat! i know quite a few people here, teemu and nydus from vid mafia, epishade my self-proclaimed pretend to be best friend, and templar from blogs and stuff. Just from reading throug the last couple of pages
current reads:
THE_TEMPLAR:
he likes my blogs which is a pretty big plus one
I don't like how he links his mafia play filter. IMO its pretty scummy people who do it. ITs like guys this is how i play mafia, don't worry i can't possibly change my play and fool you guys. THE_Templar and one other posted their filters, which seemed pretty scummy.
I read Scott's posts and didn't really see any reason to vote on him. However its forum mafia, so voting 20 hours before deadline isn't that big of a deal as you can always switch. Don't mind him pressuring scott either.
King of the cats:
I honestly really don't like him, seems super scummy, in one of his arguments on lynching, he mentions that he doesn't care about alignment. If you can push a mislynch day1, then you can kill a stronger player in the night. Top scum at the moment.
Hobbitus:
Mentions its his first game. Considering this is a newbie game, makes sense that he would post it. However i don't really like that he posted that. He also blows stuff up. all in all, don't like his post buts its not enough to give a solid read on. leaning town.
Teemu:
excels at finding scum day1, perfectly alright with pinging people out. Also votes can change, at this point i feel like votes are just to pressure people. And in my experience, votes made closer to deadline mean a whole lot more.
meatpudding:
leaning town, didn't jump on any bandwagons, however its self-proclaimed which i don't really like.
Nydus:
seems pretty town, he's making reads, and he was a bit trolly at the begining with the haikus but switched into serious mode.
Every one else, just from a quick read through didn't stand out too much, or i forgot to post about them.
for now though, i'll vote on cat, as i think he's pretty scummy.
##VOTE: TheKingOfCats I would like to know what your actual read on Teemu is. All you've given is a description of what he is like in video mafia. I like the reasoning you gave behind your Templar read, although I am leaning town on him. Overall, I like the reads that you gave, even though I don't necessarily agree with all of them. I am leaning town on you MysteryMeat1. The things he said about Templar were not good points, he's trying to say that something that isn't alignment indicative is scummy. If Templar is scum then his point is valid given enough time but you can't make your scum play match your town play overnight, seeing as he's only played 3 games here and been scum in only 1 of them it's safe to say he doesn't even know how to play scum let alone match his scum play to his town play, and if he's town it would make sense to post filters from previous games so you can see if he's playing like he was in his past town games thus giving people a chance to meta read him. It's not inherently scummy and any attempt to paint it as such is just WIFOM. Fun fact: I confused Templar with Epishade and he confused Templar with Tolkien but amazingly the point still stands because this is only Tolkien's 3rd game. ##Vote: MysteryMeat1Predit: I'm not entirely sure i like the way this post is worded, feel free to give me shit for it. This post, in conversation with Templar, is what makes me think he leans town. On June 23 2014 08:06 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 07:52 The_Templar wrote:On June 23 2014 07:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Also him posting that a non alignment indicative thing is scummy is itself scummy, he's twisting things to suit his own purposes: On June 22 2014 22:25 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 22 2014 22:01 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 22 2014 17:49 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
yoyoyoyo whats up guys!
im the mystery of the meat! i know quite a few people here, teemu and nydus from vid mafia, epishade my self-proclaimed pretend to be best friend, and templar from blogs and stuff. Just from reading throug the last couple of pages
current reads:
THE_TEMPLAR:
he likes my blogs which is a pretty big plus one
I don't like how he links his mafia play filter. IMO its pretty scummy people who do it. ITs like guys this is how i play mafia, don't worry i can't possibly change my play and fool you guys. THE_Templar and one other posted their filters, which seemed pretty scummy.
I read Scott's posts and didn't really see any reason to vote on him. However its forum mafia, so voting 20 hours before deadline isn't that big of a deal as you can always switch. Don't mind him pressuring scott either.
King of the cats:
I honestly really don't like him, seems super scummy, in one of his arguments on lynching, he mentions that he doesn't care about alignment. If you can push a mislynch day1, then you can kill a stronger player in the night. Top scum at the moment.
Hobbitus:
Mentions its his first game. Considering this is a newbie game, makes sense that he would post it. However i don't really like that he posted that. He also blows stuff up. all in all, don't like his post buts its not enough to give a solid read on. leaning town.
Teemu:
excels at finding scum day1, perfectly alright with pinging people out. Also votes can change, at this point i feel like votes are just to pressure people. And in my experience, votes made closer to deadline mean a whole lot more.
meatpudding:
leaning town, didn't jump on any bandwagons, however its self-proclaimed which i don't really like.
Nydus:
seems pretty town, he's making reads, and he was a bit trolly at the begining with the haikus but switched into serious mode.
Every one else, just from a quick read through didn't stand out too much, or i forgot to post about them.
for now though, i'll vote on cat, as i think he's pretty scummy.
##VOTE: TheKingOfCats I would like to know what your actual read on Teemu is. All you've given is a description of what he is like in video mafia. I like the reasoning you gave behind your Templar read, although I am leaning town on him. Overall, I like the reads that you gave, even though I don't necessarily agree with all of them. I am leaning town on you MysteryMeat1. The things he said about Templar were not good points, he's trying to say that something that isn't alignment indicative is scummy. If Templar is scum then his point is valid given enough time but you can't make your scum play match your town play overnight, seeing as he's only played 3 games here and been scum in only 1 of them it's safe to say he doesn't even know how to play scum let alone match his scum play to his town play, and if he's town it would make sense to post filters from previous games so you can see if he's playing like he was in his past town games thus giving people a chance to meta read him. It's not inherently scummy and any attempt to paint it as such is just WIFOM. Fun fact: I confused Templar with Epishade and he confused Templar with Tolkien but amazingly the point still stands because this is only Tolkien's 3rd game. ##Vote: MysteryMeat1Predit: I'm not entirely sure i like the way this post is worded, feel free to give me shit for it. I agree his quick scum read on you is sort of sudden and not particularly justified. But he's barely posted since then so maybe he was planning on not doing much for the rest of the day. If that was supposed to be a defence of MM it's not a very good one. Him possibly not planning on doing much for the rest of the day is hardly alignment indicative and if anything coming up with a weak reason to join a wagon and fucking off till flip is actually scummy. I think here, Cats slightly suspects Templar of potentially defending MM for his vote, thinking they are both potential mafia. If he were mafia, he wouldn't care to throw this suspicion at Templar (as slight as it might have been) because he knows that MM would flip town, and everything he suspected Templar of wouldn't matter after that. He didn't know at this point, and so he expressed doubt that Templar was actually town through his defense of Meat. He also analyzes my post about Token's death as well. On June 24 2014 21:49 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2014 14:35 Epishade wrote:
Ermm, I was really not expecting Token to get shot, of all people. I expected either myself, Haruhi, or Templar to die tbh, as we've all been townread for the majority of the game by most people. Token could have been a potential case if someone were to call him out, so I have a hard time rationalizing why mafia would shoot Token over someone more townie.
The only way I can see Token's shot being justified is if mafia thought he was on the right track and shot him to get rid of him, because objectively, that looked like a bad shot to me. You usually shoot people that have little chance of getting lynched for reading townie, but there seemed to be enough suspicion on Token (or at least, more than the three people I listed above) for me to think that that wasn't the reason he was shot.
There are a few people that Token scumreads over day 1, and I think that probably played a part in his death.
His scumreads:
JabberZerg (initially, then changed his mind to a townread at 4:00, which wouldn't have given mafia time to change their shot if JabberZerg wanted to keep Token alive for townreading him, assuming that Jabber is mafia)
meatpudding
Teemursu
Cats
His townreads:
Haruhi
Templar
me
Hobbit (only in his post at 4:00)
Fence reads:
Nydus
Dunno reads:
GlowBear
Other peoples
So I think the cases should probably be focused on people in his scum list at this point. I mean, he did say for people to look at me, GlowBear, and Nydus day 2 in his 4:02 post, but I'm not considering these specifically right now because they came too late to be able to influence mafia, and I'm only looking at the reasoning for shooting Token here over someone else.
He also asked me to post my reads on him, Cats, and meatpudding at this point, too, but I woke up too early today and am dead tired. I'll post my reads on everybody I have reads for sometime tomorrow after I wake up.
Night all. First of all you're assuming that scum shot Tolkien, it's possible that scum got jailed/roleblocked and the vig shot Tolkien. Tolkien being shot because be suspected the right people makes little sense but lets analyze it a bit. If me or meatpudding are scum it would be pointless to shoot him for suspecting us because half the game does, if either of us were to shoot him it wouldn't change anything for us and it would actually be detrimental for us to do that as scum because Tolkien was looking scummy to a lot of people too and he would've been one of the easier people to push for a mislynch. seeing as him, me and meatpudding were the main lynch candidates today we wouldn't kill one of our most valid chances to escape a lynch. Teemu, well this one's simple. If he was going to shoot someone for being "on" to him it would've been meatpudding because meatpudding's been on him more. Why would he shoot Tolkien over meatpudding? Why would he shoot either of them for that matter? They were both suspicious to a lot of people and he wasn't. As for Jabber...i dunno. He seems to be on a few peoples radars if i remember correctly, it would make more sense to shoot one of them for being "on" to him as opposed to one of the lynch candidates. It really doesn't make sense for scum to shoot him especially for the reason you posted. Personally i think the less likely situation of scum's NK being blocked and a Vig targeting Tolkien is more likely. He's thinking like a townie here, thinking through all the people he might think would have reason to shoot Token, and explaining why or why not they might have done it. He also suggests that vigi killed Token and mafia's shot was blocked, which, though I think is a little unlikely still, is not outside chance, considering Templar was jailed (which I didn't know at the time). Nydus - Scum lean + Show Spoiler +I started off Nydus with a townlead originally for asking Templar to ignore any of Teemursu's video mafia experience in making reads on him, here. (Sorry for formatting). Show nested quote +
On June 22 2014 08:20 The_Templar wrote:
Personally, I don't know about Teemu, partly because I don't know about video mafia. I'm going to research this further. Scum-hunting isn't essential on day 1; I think it's more of a developing point in the game but that's just my two cents.
I don't like Scott's posts very much.
I'd like you to imagine that Teemu had absolutely no experience in video mafia prior to this forum game. I say this because I feel like you're holding back on reading him because of two possible reasons. One, you're used to active day 1 scum hunting as being a mafia tell but I'm telling you that it's not. Two, you're scum trying to give multiple null reads in order to keep your options open in the future. I changed my stance on him though when he voted for Cats. On June 22 2014 16:05 NydusHerMain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 16:03 jabberwockzerg wrote:On June 22 2014 15:45 Teemursu wrote:On June 22 2014 15:42 jabberwockzerg wrote:On June 22 2014 15:42 Teemursu wrote:On June 22 2014 15:41 Teemursu wrote:
Haru, could you give your case on Lord Tolkien if you think he's scum?? EDIT: Minus one question mark. It's way less frantic now : ) Hey, jabber, you're in the thread with me, cool! Let's talk. What's your read on Scott? Scott just seems totally lost tbh. Nothing he has said is really scummy. He could definitely put in more work for the town, but that just comes from inexperience. New Scum players tend to go overboard or post almost nothing, which isn't what he's doing. Anything you want to say about him? I absolutely agree with this. He seems completely inexperienced rather than scummy. #Vote: TheKingOfCatsI still think that TheKingOfCats is the most scummy, followed by MeatPudding. I will update my vote accordingly but that is how I stand at the moment. He votes for Cats with his reasoning here: On June 22 2014 02:21 NydusHerMain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 02:14 Teemursu wrote:On June 22 2014 02:07 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 22 2014 01:53 Teemursu wrote:On June 22 2014 01:39 NydusHerMain wrote:
As someone who plays with you a lot in video mafia, I feel like this is not a typical read of yours. Seems a bit forced, and I hope that it's a reaction test. If it is, I'd like you to explain what you got from it.
Why does it seem forced? I'm not reaction testing him. I did get a towny feel from what he said in the brackets.
I don't think scum align themselves so quickly. The read seems a bit weak but I don't necessarily think it comes from scum. Your read on TheKingOfCats seems to come from a towny perspective. Not sure what to think of you yet but leaning town.
I don't really hear you giving town/scum perspective reads either. I didn't necessarily read his defensiveness caused by TheKingOfCats's null read to come from a towny perspective. Could you specifically explain that read? When I play with you in video mafia, your town reads come from hearing people give several reads, and deciding on whether or not you like their logic. Seeing you give a quick town read for something very small that I personally don't see as being particularly alignment indicative is very weird from you. Perhaps your playstyle is different on forum mafia but if this were video mafia, you'd be quick to drop into my scum list. Having played with me before, you should know that my town and scum reads come from small things that people do or say whereas your reads come from a bigger picture. Reading the posts again, I realize that TheKingOfCats didn't even give a null read, rather, he gave no read at all. Meatpudding's defensiveness actually does seem scummy. I am getting names mixed up and should read more carefully. Personally, I feel like I'm expressing things here that I don't normally bother saying in video. I agree with you getting town reads from small things, but I rarely hear you explain reads by saying from which alignment/perspective players are telling their reads. In either case, we should evaluate each other based on this game alone. Discussing how our play might differ from different form of mafia is probably not going to give us much. In any case, what's your read on TheKingOfCats? My read on TheKingOfCats so far is that he is potential scum with MeatPudding.Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:17 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:51 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 22:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:46 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. I don't like this. What don't you like about it? The joke felt forced. Admitting to lurking and not at least saying you'll have more reads later on in the day rings scummy to me. Anyway, I just wanted to ping someone out. Do you have any early reads? It's too early for me to have any reads. Seeing as this is Meatpudding's first game i don't think his post was alignment indicative but if he doesn't contribute anything he'll be a good lynch regardless of his alignment. Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 01:49 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:52 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:On June 21 2014 23:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:09 meatpudding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote:
Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes.
I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e.
I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though).
My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar.
I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Since you're wondering, it was a direct response to this post. I usually browse custom maps but don't often post there. What was a direct response to that post? This post was a response to Templar: On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course. Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town? TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. So I didn't specifically call you out. Apparently I got a reaction anyway, which is good, considering I just said I only pinged you out. I don't feel like TheKingOfCats is trying to lynch you at all, and I'm not sure how I should read your defensiveness about that (new player/mafia being pushed). He did give a fence read on you though. Like, It's obvious that we should lynch people who don't contribute at all. He's someone I'm going to keep my eye on. Please explain to me how i gave a fence read on meatpudding when i didn't give a read on him at all. I find it weird that TheKingOfCats' first reaction is to question Teemu on a supposed "null read" when I feel like MeatPudding saying that TheKingOfCats is trying to lynch him (pretty much saying that TheKingOfCats has a scum read on him) is a much scummier thing. Ok, so he thinks meatpudding and Cats are a scumteam right now, and Cats is townreading meatpudding for that reason. However, he seems to contradict himself, as he said before that he doesn't think scum aligns themselves so early in the game. On June 22 2014 01:39 NydusHerMain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 22:59 Teemursu wrote:Yeah, I'm probably the most serious person you'll meet on this forum. I actually kinda like this read. Feels like it's coming from a towny perspective. We -are- all new here and some are playing for the first time, and your read has that ring to it. As someone who plays with you a lot in video mafia, I feel like this is not a typical read of yours. Seems a bit forced, and I hope that it's a reaction test. If it is, I'd like you to explain what you got from it. Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:On June 21 2014 23:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:09 meatpudding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote:
Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes.
I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e.
I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though).
My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar.
I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Since you're wondering, it was a direct response to this post. I usually browse custom maps but don't often post there. What was a direct response to that post? This post was a response to Templar: On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course. Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town?TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. I don't think scum align themselves so quickly. The read seems a bit weak but I don't necessarily think it comes from scum. Your read on TheKingOfCats seems to come from a towny perspective. Not sure what to think of you yet but leaning town. So he says he doesn't think scum aligns themselves so quickly, but is ready to vote for Cats based on your thought that, since he said he didn't think meatpudding's post was particularly alignment indicative. Wouldn't that imply that Cats and meatpudding had aligned themselves together? Anyways, I thought Nydus' vote kind of contradicted that, and I didn't think Cats was scummy at the time, so I questioned his vote. Afterwards, he changes his vote to MysteryMeat here, and townreads Haruhi, Token, and JabberZerg. On June 23 2014 12:23 NydusHerMain wrote:I just woke up so I should have a clearer mind for this. ##: UnvoteLordTolkien: Town + Show Spoiler +LordTolkien starts off the game saying that people trying to solve the game are town, and that lurkers are mafia. I thought that this was scummy because of how he was defending Teemu just for being someone being active. He didn't just say that Teemu was off the table, he said that Teemu was town. However, as I read through his filter, it is clear that his reads keep updating. I feel like it is more indicative of scum to tunnel on certain people with weak reasons, whereas LordTolkien looks like he's constantly getting new town and scum reads. Town + Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 23:57 jabberwockzerg wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 22:48 Solar424 wrote:
Hello. I am new to TL, and this is the first time playing Mafia online, bu I know the rules. you know the rules, and so do I Feels like it's coming from a town perspective. I know it's a weird thing to town read someone off of but it looks like he's annoyed with this post in a "Wow, thanks for the input, I also read the rules" kind of way. As opposed to most people, his reads aren't as polarized and it gives the feel of him trying to find out why people find certain people scummy that he has a town or fence read on. Town + Show Spoiler +Sigh... I was reading through his attack on The_Templar based on how The_Templar supposedly knew there was more than one mafia... it was pregame filter. Hard to clear my mind from that but I'll try. As of this moment, his play feels very consistent. Can't really see any glaring inconsistencies. The fact that he compiled reads that people made alone makes me want to say that he's town just for effort but we all know that effort is not alignment indicative. I didn't like how he had a lot of fluff when people were already in scum hunting mode. Actually, to be honest, he's asking great questions. I was going to say leaning town just because of the fluff but I feel like his contributions outweigh that. I wanted to give more detailed reads on everyone but I feel like I don't have enough time with how much time is left in the day to actually finish my reads so I'm going to be way more concise from now on. I don't think that TheKingOfCats is as scummy as I originally thought he was. I feel like MysteryMeat1 just sheeped my read on him and is actually scummier than I thought. I was pretty tired when I made those reads initially. I rescind my town read on Teemu, I pretty much townread him because our reads seemed to align but after reading through the thread again, I feel like our reads are starting to differ. I'm not saying that it means Teemu is scum, but I'm just not feeling him as town as I did prior. The_Templar I'm getting towny vibes from, otherwise, I don't really have standout reads. Everyone else is more leaning null aside from MeatPudding who I also think is scummy. ##Vote: MysteryMeat1 Though, he does rescind his read on Teemursu and Cats, it's a while after everyone kind of already knew Cats wasn't going to be lynched and Teemursu was being read as scummy anyways. I don't think it would make much sense for a scum to keep those opposing views, but a townie could just as well do the same, so I can't hold that against Nydus here. He does end up voting Meat without an explanation. Could just be he didn't think he had time to read through and come up with a reason? Idk, that's not alignment indicative either though. He was scumreading meatpudding too, so he could have voted for meatpudding just as well here. It didn't really matter which Meat he picked here. He ends up townreading Haruhi, Token, and JabberZerg, too. JabberZerg he townreads based on a joke that Jabber made though, so I'm not sure if he'd still want to keep that read, as he didn't realize Jabber was referring to a song in the post that he townreads him. I started out this read thinking that Nydus was scum, but now I'm not entirely sure. He's a scumlean at best, but he conflicts with a lot of other people I thought were scum too, such as Teemursu and meatpudding. GlowBear - Slight town + Show Spoiler +GlowBear's a little harder of a read for me. I kind of think he is town for questioning Haruhi's alignment, since she is a large part of the thread and he's worried she may be leading us astray, especially when nobody views Haruhi as scum currently (I don't think). On June 24 2014 02:15 GlowingBear wrote:
I think Haru is dangerous because he leads our reads. He ask questions to be answered and, therefore, changes the route of our reasoning. If he is scum, he has got us on his hands.
But I never saw any scum sign in his posts. I think he ask good questions that may help town. So, I think he is townie. I also like that he's clearly giving his reads on everybody in the game, as this makes it harder for him to backtrack on somebody that he thinks might be scum. He doesn't go too in-depth in his reads, but the fact that he's doing it at all seems kind of townie to me. On June 23 2014 08:06 GlowingBear wrote:Ok, following this order, here are my reads of these reads: On Nydus's: + Show Spoiler + He's got the same reads i've got on meatpudding and TheKingOfCats (I've said earlier that I wasn't really sure about meatpudding but after analyzing his reads I've started to believe he is leaning scum, I'll tell why on his time), although I don't think he's got good grounds on it. I don't think that questioning Teemu instead of TheKingOfCats is ground for possible scummy.
That said, I don't actually see solid argumentation here, but nothing suspicious. Null-read on Nydus. On MysteryMeat's: + Show Spoiler + *On his reads on The_Templar, I don't see direct relation between having scum filters and that being scummy. You may clarify this assumption so I could understand it better, but it means nothing to me right now.
*On his reads on scott, I'm with him. I'd just say that, as someone said, Scott is kinda lost in the game. ALTHOUGH voting on himself looked very suspicious. Sounded like he was trying to get away from being lynched by looking as a victim.
*On his reads on Cats, I' with him again. Most of TheKingOfCats posts sounds scummy to me.
*On his reads on Hobbitus, I don't see a problem on saying that it's her first game. I have a townie-read on Hobbitus, but I need to read more of her posts to get a stronger read.
*On his reads on Teemu, I disagree. As someone said, forcing a "pinging out" before analyzing meatpudding's reaction was suspicious, as to push voting to someone he knows it's not his partner in case he is a scum. Some other of his posts have a scummy vibe, although sometimes I see him leaning townie. I have no reads on Teemu by now.
*On his reads on meatpudding, I disagree. He sounded scum in the beginning of the game and in other times later. I have a specific argument which I'll reveal while analyzing meatpudding reads.
*On his reads on Nydus, I'm not really sure. I think Nydus is leaning townie, but that's a weak read I have.
That said, there is little I can tell about MysteryMeat. Null-read. I will do a less detailed read on reads from now on, or the post will get too big. On Templar's: + Show Spoiler + His reads are kinda confusing for me, actually. He suspects Nydus but doesn't suspect Cats nor meatpudding? Then, after, assumes that his best guess for scum is Cats? It's confusing and I don't agree with it but I have to admit his grounds on Nydus are ok.
Null-read on Templar's for now, I think if he could clarify his assumptions I'd have a better read on him On Tolkien's (and about Lurking) + Show Spoiler + I think he has no grounds on Scott and his "lynch all lurkers" policy worries me. As one of the guides said, it's a common blue strategy to lurk. But that's not the main point.
The main point is: if you are Mafia and you have Mafia partners lurking, would you risk forcing this "lynch all lurkers" policy? I don't think so. Now, if you are Mafia and all your partners are on the game, what would you do? Force the policy so you could lynch a blue, as lurking is a common blue strategy.
Moreover, if you are convincend I am town, this means that lurkers definetely weren't all Mafia, which would mean that Mafia strategy of lynching lurkers is a huge possibility.
Again, saying "As for the possibility of hitting a lurking blue role or whatever, it is a risk" worries me the most. Would you take the risk to take a cop out of the game instead of trying to identify active scum?
Because of these, I have a strong scumread on Tolkien He is still forcing this policy by now. On Haru's: + Show Spoiler +He's got the same opinion as I. Moreover, I said before I have a strong feeling Haru is townie. Therefore, thats how I read him. On Epishade's: + Show Spoiler + Alright, not sure what to think about Teemu and Templar, as I said before. Therefore, I cannot totally disagree with the arguments Epishade brought. Really hard to analyze. But at least he brought plausible arguments.
I have a leaning town read on Epishade because I think he is trying to contribute and brings good grounds with his reads, although I might not agree with them.. On Teemu's: + Show Spoiler + Again, not sure what to think about Teemu and his reads are ok but I can't see his grounds in this post. Not a reliable read I must say. On Scott's: + Show Spoiler + I've not got much to say, it's pratically the point of view I'm having of the game right now. Makes me wonder if I'm misunderstaning his self-vote. I'd null-read him for now. On meatpudding's: + Show Spoiler +
"Not very sure how to vote. I could read players that are defensive as scum.
##Vote: HaruRH
Haru is not really pushing town agenda. Asking vague questions, not pushing anyone in particular. Calling out when Hobbitus contradicts herself, does not seem like a good read to me.
I'm still leaning towards Teemu as scum. Teemu and Templar have played before, maybe that is why they are acting familiar, but it seems like Teemu's reads are off.
Cats is asking lots of questions, I am leaning town here.
On Templar, I think only his one long post gives much info. I think he plays town, but could be trying to give false info.
Tolkien seems noncommittal, then starts a bandwagon. Not sure here.
Hobbitus not posting much but looks like town trying to get some early reads.
That's all I have for now."
There is a huge contradiction here. Meatpudding is declaring Haru guilty for the same reason he decides Cats is not-guilty. He says that Haru is asking vague questions, but if Cats isn't, I don't know how a precise question should be. This seems really suspicious and, as I think Cats is probably scum, meatpudding may trying to cover up a partner.
I have a strong scumread here. On Haru's (again) + Show Spoiler + Haru has got the same opinion as I, that meatpudding is contradicting(?) himself, and I've concluded this opinion before even reading Haru's scumread. I'm with him. On Templar's (again): + Show Spoiler + Once again, I cannot read Templar. But this time he brought good grounds on most of his assumptions, although I might not agree with them. Phew, that took long! Having said all of these, although I still have a feeling that TheKingOfCats might be scum, I'll vore for meatpudding as I've got now a stronger read on him. So... ##Vote: meatpudding Glowbear also calls into question my post about Token's death, which is good, though I disagree with him on which of his scenarios is more likely. On June 24 2014 23:24 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2014 14:35 Epishade wrote:
Ermm, I was really not expecting Token to get shot, of all people. I expected either myself, Haruhi, or Templar to die tbh, as we've all been townread for the majority of the game by most people. Token could have been a potential case if someone were to call him out, so I have a hard time rationalizing why mafia would shoot Token over someone more townie.
The only way I can see Token's shot being justified is if mafia thought he was on the right track and shot him to get rid of him, because objectively, that looked like a bad shot to me. You usually shoot people that have little chance of getting lynched for reading townie, but there seemed to be enough suspicion on Token (or at least, more than the three people I listed above) for me to think that that wasn't the reason he was shot.
There are a few people that Token scumreads over day 1, and I think that probably played a part in his death.
His scumreads:
JabberZerg (initially, then changed his mind to a townread at 4:00, which wouldn't have given mafia time to change their shot if JabberZerg wanted to keep Token alive for townreading him, assuming that Jabber is mafia)
meatpudding
Teemursu
Cats
His townreads:
Haruhi
Templar
me
Hobbit (only in his post at 4:00)
Fence reads:
Nydus
Dunno reads:
GlowBear
Other peoples
So I think the cases should probably be focused on people in his scum list at this point. I mean, he did say for people to look at me, GlowBear, and Nydus day 2 in his 4:02 post, but I'm not considering these specifically right now because they came too late to be able to influence mafia, and I'm only looking at the reasoning for shooting Token here over someone else.
He also asked me to post my reads on him, Cats, and meatpudding at this point, too, but I woke up too early today and am dead tired. I'll post my reads on everybody I have reads for sometime tomorrow after I wake up.
Night all. Your post strike me as odd. It's because the scenario you've brought isn't the only one possible. Possible scenarios are: 1) Tolkien was on the right track and asking the right questions, so it was better for Mafia to make him shut up. This is too simplistic, it would easily lead townies to lynch the right people. I don't think Mafia would do this. 2) Tolkien wasn't on the right track but being shot would lead town to misread other townies. This one seems more plausible to me. 3) My stupid mistake made them change their top townies change targets to someone who had more scumreads 4) Top townies are actually very good scums and they killed at random (I think this is too much) As I think (2) is more plausible, your post striked me as odd because you seem to push (1) as the only possible interpretation, leading townies to misreads and, therefore, to mislynchs. I'll keep an eye on you. meatpudding - Scum lean + Show Spoiler +
meatpudding has, like MysteryMeat, not exactly used the best logic in his posts. A lot of people have called him out on it and I don't really feel like thoroughly going through his filter to restate what has already been said.
I'll just say that my current read on him is probably tied for scummy with Teemursu atm, with Nydus first.
Hobbit - Dunno. Kinda town. + Show Spoiler +I put Hobbit in a similar area of townieness to GlowBear. He lists his reads, like GlowBear did too. On June 23 2014 03:57 Hobbitus wrote:
Might as well do this systematically:
1. Lord Tolkien-On the fence
I like that he's consistent on voting for people that are not the best contributors. How much I agree with this logic is less cut and dry. For D1, I think it's acceptable, I think there will be a lot more to go on after someone flips. He's not saying too much else though.
2. Jabberwockzerg-Leaning scum
Not really contributing much, giving alignment reads but no real arguments of substance to go with them. Pushing Tolkien for I have no idea what reason. Also talking up cats, who has been meh this whole game for me.
3. HaruRH-On the fence
I think his read on Tolkien was too aggressive, but he later retracts this. I don't like his read on meatpudding either, but consistently disagreeing with someone doesn't mean their alignment isn't the same as yours.
4. Thekingofthecats-On the fence
I just haven't been blown away by his contribution, especially when prefaced by his post about how he likes to help town by contributing. He did try to warn us though. Also I find his timing to enter the game suspicious, as it was right after Teemu said he wasn't contributing and while scott/Templar were discussing the scumminess of lurkers.
5. NydusHerMain-Leaning town
Makes good points, I like that he was willing to challenge Teemu.
6. Solar424 (crickets chirp)
7. GlowingBear (crickets chirp)
8. Meatpudding-leaning town
I agree with most of his reads. The only thing I dislike is how quick he is to see himself as the victim when Teemu is involved.
9. Hobbitus-town obviously
10. Teemursu-leaning scum
I was getting scum vibes a lot in the first few posts, but less so now. My first instinct makes me suspicious, but what he said about scott being able to replace rather than waste a lynch has been partial redemption. Also he is contributing a lot, which makes me agree with everyone else about him being a bad D1 lynch.
11. Epishade-leaning town
Like the logic, want more posts.
12. Scott31337-on the fence
Fighting to figure out if he's making mistakes from inexperience or scumminess. I really dislike his dialogue with Templar about total lurkers getting modkilled.
13. The_Templar-town
A really strong town vibe, every post. Still going to keep my eye out, but my most certain read rn.
14: MysteryMeat1-on the fence
His post just seems careless. Need more info.
15: BlondeMocha (crickets chirp) A lot of what he says is also things that I can see the logic in and agree with. At this point in the game, Haruhi had just voted for Token, which I thought was questionable but gave me a townread on her. Hobbit reads Haruhi as a little scummy for it, which I can also see the reasoning for. He's also suspicious of Teemursu, as am I. Here, too, he reinforces my townie read on him. On June 23 2014 09:53 Hobbitus wrote:But I'm still stuck in the same position then: is he scum or bad town? Tolkien, you'll vote him either way, why should I? I'd imagine a scum would likely just not even bother asking something like this, and instead just figure out their own reasoning to vote for MysteryMeat. No reason to ask this if you're scum. Teemursu - Slight scum lean + Show Spoiler +My opinion on Teemursu is less scummy than before, but still a little bit. So I'll post the reasoning that I used before in thinking him as scum. On June 22 2014 14:42 Epishade wrote:As for Teemursu, he's got a few posts that make me a little suspicious. Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 22:51 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 22:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:46 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. I don't like this. What don't you like about it? The joke felt forced. Admitting to lurking and not at least saying you'll have more reads later on in the day rings scummy to me. Anyway, I just wanted to ping someone out. Do you have any early reads? Someone making a joke that Teemursu thought felt forced sounded scummy to him doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I realize that generally, people like others to post more than lurk, but pudding admitting that he probably won't post that much doesn't sound all that scummy to me. He's never played before on TL (afaik), so we have no way of knowing his true posting style. He could just be upfront about the way he thinks he's going to post, but that doesn't ring scummy to me. Doesn't read town for me either, he just wants people to know his posting style so we don't lynch him for lurking, instead of actual content he produces. Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:58 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 23:54 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 21 2014 22:48 Solar424 wrote:
Hello. I am new to TL, and this is the first time playing Mafia online, bu I know the rules. Feeling a bit rushed, spelling error, no details, I think you are scum Hi, Nydus. It's going to be an interesting challenge to try to read you. I expect a lot from your haiku mastery. May they be plentiful and insightful. 8O) Does anybody else think that this doesn't sound like something that a townie might say? "It's going to be an interesting challenge to try to read you." Maybe I'm being pedantic here, but that sounds like something a mafia would say in an attempt to sound like town. I couldn't see a town saying that, but maybe I'm overthinking it, idk. However, On June 23 2014 20:33 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 12:57 Lord Tolkien wrote:
But no seriously you're fine, just...you need to work on making sense. If you are town, such a glaring discrepancy in analysis like what you did will get you punished unless it was deliberate (and you'll get punished for that too, like I learned my last newbie mafia gaem <_< ). And you really need to work on making sense. Because I still can't follow your line of thinking in your defense afterwards.
If you're scum, die. I want you to stop flip-flopping on MeatPudding. This isn't updating your own reads, as Nydus said. It sounds more like being unsettled to call your scum partner one way or the other. You say he's fine, and you coach him on how to play better as town. But just in case he's scum, you tell him to die.I'm saying you're not fine, and that you need to dig yourself out from the hole you've jumped in to by making this case on MM1 on weak basis. By making the case based on him having discrepancy in analysis and not making much sense, while these are the exact same things MeatPudding should be accused of, and you still think he is "fine". You most certainly are scum, and you need to die. This is another thing I don't see a scum saying to Token. Though I disagree with how nitpicky he is being to Token here, I think the content of what he posts here leans town a bit. He's being fairly accusatory to Token, almost as if he expected Token to be a primary lynch candidate Day 2. But since Token died in the night, Teemursu wouldn't have had to worry about doing this. If Teemursu were mafia, there's no reason he'd have to put pressure on Token right now when MysteryMeat had turned up town, since he shot him later that night. It doesn't really seem like a mafia thing to do, to me. So...a little conflicted about Teemursu now. I still think he might be mafia, just not as much as before. Templar - Town + Show Spoiler +
He got jailed. He's been posting a ton. He's been pretty logical in all of his posts. He tried to help Meat out when he was being pressured. And he likes my blogs. All townie behavior if you ask me.
Honestly, unless a vigi claims and says that he didn't shoot Token, I think you're town.
I know I have some people listed as scum, that, if they happened to be scum, would eliminate some of my others as scum. The 2 people I want to pay most attention to right now are Nydus and Teemursu actually, maybe meatpudding too. These two conflict with each other though, and both conflict with meatpudding, but I think one of the two is scum. Goddamn, that took way too long to write. "Scum lean" "Town lean" sounds so passive. If someone wants some homework go look at this guys previous newbie game he was town in. I feel like if you're going to call someone mafia you should say scum. The whole "lean" thing sounds like you don't want to make enemies or leaving your options open. (Just to clarify I didn't read your spoilers yet as I'm not caught up so the content might change how I feel but first impression gets a big scummy MEH) This is one of the reasons why I have been reading him as "trying hard to sound towny". IMHO, He's continued the same kind of way of talking by switching on the MM1 bandwagon by calling MeatPudding a misguided townie, while MeatPudding has in my opinion had even more bad & inconsistent logic. It's Teemursu's incredible nitpickyness that I find to be a trait of scum. I will say that my early read on Teemursu was based on some of his word choice, too though. So call me a hypocrite if you must or feel free to point out the contradiction. That's just how I feel. Ok, you know what. I'm just sick of writing so much and reading through filters. I have no idea how accurate my reads are and it sucks to know that all this could very likely end up untrue, which I'm sure it might be. Fuck it, I'm voting for JabberZerg. I can't tell who to vote for anymore and she's been flying under the radar for too long now. ##Vote: JabberZergBuahahahahaha!!!! sdea fgsdafn jd still not a girl
Is that really important? How about you focus on the issue?
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##Vote: jabberwockzerg
Out of time but after this next WCS series I'll write something up on Epishade, who's acting sort of strangely, and Nydus, who is… improving a bit maybe? Not sure…
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On June 26 2014 09:33 jabberwockzerg wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2014 09:18 The_Templar wrote:K, wrote a case in about 7 minutes on jabberzerg. Looking at his very thin filter, I now have a very scummy read on him. On June 23 2014 04:01 jabberwockzerg wrote:
Hey guys, I'm out for most of the day, but I'll try to keep up on my phone, and I'll be home for the last three hours or so to read through all the filters and make my final vote.
I just want to make a quick vote now in case something happens I won't get modkilled.
##Vote: meatpudding This isn't particularly scummy. Not all of us have hours upon hours to post in this thread and he could have been later, and votes aren't permanent. I think his vote on meatpudding was a bit questionable since he seems to have had a town read on him but he was probably following the general trend of the town (I think there were 4 votes at that point, but it could be 3) due to lack of time. That could be a newbie fear of wanting to not look suspicious after being gone for ~6 hours and following town. But, is he really going to play an entire game of mafia without having any time? Please. In the battle of the meats, he takes a neutral stance immediately: On June 23 2014 10:53 jabberwockzerg wrote:On June 23 2014 10:48 meatpudding wrote:
Back. I'e reading the thread now. If you're voting Mystery or me, then I don't really have a choice anyway. But I'll flesh out my reads anyway. I'm very interested in what you have to say, I'm undecided about which meat to vote for, and you posting at all is a good sign And then when I make a point about MM not posting, he jumps on it and says he's suspecting him more. On June 23 2014 11:10 jabberwockzerg wrote:On June 23 2014 10:57 The_Templar wrote:
Wow, is MysteryMeat not defending himself at all right now? Wtf? He even told Scott to fight to the end if he was town... Wow interesting. I'd really love to hear a lot from both the meats, but right now the strongest case is MM And then: On June 23 2014 11:58 jabberwockzerg wrote:On June 23 2014 11:56 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
im not going to share my thought process on one person. deal with it... You might not like how I'm gonna deal with it ##Vote: MysteryMeat1 HAHA so cliche Day 2: On June 25 2014 12:41 jabberwockzerg wrote:
I am not a girl Really? The day is half over and you feel the need to make that your first post of the day? He continues to be as neutral as possible until he can latch onto an opinion. On June 25 2014 13:00 jabberwockzerg wrote:
I think Nydus's GB vote is interesting.
For me it just boils down to whether or not we believe his pressure explanation.
I'm not sure I do, but maybe some video mafia players can explain if that sort of play is common over there. "I don't know, but someone who does stuff that I've never done will figure it out for me". On June 25 2014 13:48 jabberwockzerg wrote:On June 25 2014 13:37 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:
Teemursu, could you lay out your case against meatpudding in full without quoting posts where you've already explained why you're voting for him? As far as i can tell your case against him is mostly based around you not liking his OMGUS of you (although the point you raised about him townreading me and scumreading Haru for basically doing the same thing is interesting) and i really need to hear the case put forward in a different way so i can better understand it. I'd love to see this as well On June 26 2014 08:30 jabberwockzerg wrote:I'm liking this Nydus vote. His random pressure vote just seems a little off to me Not that pressure votes are scummy, but it's better to be clear with the town that that is what your doing, and On June 25 2014 11:28 NydusHerMain wrote:
##Vote: GlowingBear
towny feel isn't good enough for me, clearly mafia "isn't good enough for me, clearly mafia" Basically he's just agreeing with people without offering an opinion at this point. On June 26 2014 09:09 jabberwockzerg wrote:On June 26 2014 09:06 Epishade wrote:@Cats, My recent interactions with him, and his replies to me where he dismisses everything I say as wifom is one thing. I replied back here. On June 26 2014 06:48 Epishade wrote:On June 26 2014 06:23 Teemursu wrote:
have a hard time thinking though that if meatpudding were actual scum with Nydus, that Nydus would be defending him right now It wouldn't make any sense for Nydus to defend meatpudding right now if they were both a scum team. You think Nydus, someone under suspicion right now would point me, someone also fairly suspicious right now, as town if we were mafia partners? If he got lynched and we were mafia partners, then he could assume that I might get lynched next, since he strong town read me when nobody else did I'd have no reason to change my slight townread on him at the start of the game to a scumread midway through. Your scum read on us as partners is faulty at best. All of this is irrelevant non-content WIFOM. Are you serious? You actually think all of the townreading that Nydus has been doing to me is irrelevant and wifom? Why even bother thinking about anything in this game then, since surely if thinking about how logical plays work and how you would expect others to act is wifom, then everything else is then, right? We should just not even bother trying to read people, since everything everyone says and does is wifom, right? On June 26 2014 06:23 Teemursu wrote:
I am not accusing both of you as mafia in association nor have my suspicions been conditional on either one of your alignments.
On June 25 2014 20:08 Teemursu wrote:I actually rescind about making a case on MeatPudding. I feel like I've gone against him the strongest, and I've had multiple posts where I've discussed with him/haven't voted on him. If people aren't convinced by my push on him, then I'm going to divert my attention to someone else. We obviously haven't hit on mafia yet and there still are others alive who town would rather lynch. I think Nydus actually might be mafia. His read on Epishade is very weak. I asked him to provide examples on Epishade and give reasoning on those examples (yes, in plural). So far the reason Nydus has called him top town is that he's been "objective" and that Epishade posts a wishy washy list of conditional scum/flip logic that doesn't really mean anything. Only because people have pushed on someone, and that person flips as either alignment, doesn't clear or put people who actively pushed that person under suspicion. I just played a video mafia game where a VT pushed a ML on Day 1 and I caught two of the three mafia by looking at how they supported the person who was the most active pusher. Nydus should be a way better player and recognise to that Epishade's contribution today does in fact NOT put him as "top town" for his "objectiveness". This takes me to a second possible mafia, Epishade.I don't know if I left out anybody in here, as Teemursu's filter is 9 pages...and there is a whole lot to read not just in his filter, but everywhere. Goddammit, this is a mini-mafia, why are there already 60+ pages by day 2? I think I'm leaning more toward Teemursu or meatpudding right now, but idk exactly. meatpudding hasn't posted more than once after Token was shot, so I don't know what his current thoughts are right now. I'd rather make a vote when he posts I think. Firstly, he wants to vote between two people who have gone the hardest against each other (ignoring MM1 vs. Tolkien and Cats). He says he doesn't have a clear preference, then he says he wants to vote on me. He seems to understand I post a lot, he doesn't refer to anything specific that I've posted about. I took this to mean you were connecting me as potential mafia scum with Nydus, as you said this takes me, referring to your previous argument about Nydus and his views about me. I thought you were drawing a connection between us two as scum by doing that, which is why I assumed you thought we both were scum. Teemursu was on Token's scumlist, which is my personal opinion as a contributing factor to why Token died. I think Teemursu's being incredibly nitpicky against meatpudding too, trying to scumread him for trivial details in meatpudding's posts. That to me is a little scummy. On June 23 2014 22:02 Teemursu wrote:On June 23 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
I was going through KotC's posts when the lynch was taking place. I kind of couldn't make up my mind, even after MM flipped.
I was not happy to vote for MM, because the case against him didn't convince me completely. His own reactions caused a lot of suspicion. though.I can't call Cats or Tolkien scum based on that alone.
Right now my thoughts are
Teemu - potential scum
Tolkien - potential scum
Cats - fence
Templar - town
Odd. It feels like you're hiding something and not wanting to make up your mind about someone.
You say you can't call Tolkien scum based on that, but you agree with me on Tolkien being scum, and you put him into your potential scum list? Just what is this supposed to mean, anyways? You think him not finding something alignment indicative (him saying he can't find Cats or Token scum based on something) means he's hiding something? It's not just against meatpudding though. Here Teemursu agrees with Poof that because I didn't have hard reads on people and labeled them as "townlean" instead of town that that somehow makes me scummy... On June 25 2014 07:28 Teemursu wrote:On June 25 2014 07:21 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 25 2014 07:11 Epishade wrote:Ok, well, I said last night that I'd get around to posting my reads on everybody. This'll probably take a few hours to type up, so I hope things don't drastically change between that time to make my reads obsolete. I'm getting dinner after this, so I'll be back to read afterwards. JabberZerg - Slight town lean + Show Spoiler +JabberZerg is one of the people in this game that I think is playing so bad he couldn't be scum (Jk, not AS bad as Meat anyways). I realize that MysteryMeat was also playing pretty bad, but he was also not helping his case with his aggressiveness and misuse of logic. JabberZerg at least can explain his actions. Jabber puts meatpudding in his townlean at the start of the game here. On June 22 2014 16:20 jabberwockzerg wrote:
yeah, pudding's a townlean
I'd be most comfortable with a tolkien vote, but I want him to read my post about scott and react to it, defend his wagon.
I'll agree with a fence on KittyCats, he's asking questions, but I'm noticing a lack of content. However, he votes for meatpudding later here with the excuse that he wanted to vote someone so he wouldn't be modkilled if something happened. I have to question his choice of voting for meatpudding over someone else. On June 23 2014 04:01 jabberwockzerg wrote:
Hey guys, I'm out for most of the day, but I'll try to keep up on my phone, and I'll be home for the last three hours or so to read through all the filters and make my final vote.
I just want to make a quick vote now in case something happens I won't get modkilled.
##Vote: meatpudding When he comes back, he explains his reasoning behind the vote being that meatpudding was a wagon. On June 23 2014 09:37 jabberwockzerg wrote:
okay first thing's first:
##: Unvote
I voted pudding because, honestly, he was the first person with a wagon that I could remember. I was trying to save my stupid ass from a modkill.
I understand that it looks scummy.
I'll get on reading through filters and give my thoughts on the meat situation ASAP This seems like a really bad reason to vote for someone without having his own reasons for doing so. He understands it looks scummy, as he says. Honestly, I don't think a mafia would make a mistake like this, to vote for someone just because they were a wagon. That seems like way too dumb a move that mafia would make. In the end, he votes for Meat because of spite imo. On June 23 2014 11:58 jabberwockzerg wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 11:56 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
im not going to share my thought process on one person. deal with it... You might not like how I'm gonna deal with it ##Vote: MysteryMeat1 Honestly, I don't blame him for that. Meat was posting like crap at the end. He wouldn't answer some of JabberZerg's qustions either. The way he voted for Meat isn't as methodical like those that listed reasons for voting for Meat. I'd think a mafia is always going to try to be methodical and use pseudo-logic to cover themselves, instead of voting based on emotion. I had a scumread on JabberZerg before I looked through his filter. Now I think he looks a bit town to me. Haruhi - Town + Show Spoiler +Haruhi's posted a lot, and with the recent roleblock, I have to say I'd view her as town. She is conversing a ton, but is not afraid to throw votes on people she thinks is scummy so far. The first comes with her vote on Token. On June 22 2014 11:14 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 08:15 Lord Tolkien wrote:There really isn't much to say right now. All I can say is that Teemursu is my only solid read for me atm (as town). While Nydus has played with him before and says this behavior is alignment-null, he's instigating the scumhunting that town sorely needs early D1. As a result, I would peg him as town (or at least, a non-viable D1 lynch). That being said, I don't agree with any of the early lynch candidates thus far (as in, I don't have a strong enough read on any of them currently), and would rather lynch a lurker at this point in time. That includes scott, because his post was pretty much a non-response. Of Cats or meatpudding, if I had to choose a D1 lynch atm, I'd vote meatpudding solely based on thread contribution.
-Teemu agrees with me and "thinks I'm town", which I always appreciate, but he "thinks I'm town". He could be a town, or a mafia trying to make both of us or just me look mafia. Again, completely ambiguous and I'm not sure.
My general impression of mafia players in my limited experience is that they work to distance themselves as much as possible. I personally do not read too much into it atm; without a flip it's speculation. Lord tolkien, this is the wrong way to approach forum mafia. In forum mafia, you lynch for scum ONLY, not for information/clearing lurkers/usefulness to town. We usually clear lurkers with cops and people useful to town will die quick to mafia anyway. I have a feeling you knew this. Coupled with how you wanted to go with meatpudding but went with scott just for a wagon, you're playing really scummy. ##Vote: lord tolkien I read her as townie for doing this before, so I'll just post my previous reasoning again. On June 22 2014 11:14 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 08:15 Lord Tolkien wrote:There really isn't much to say right now. All I can say is that Teemursu is my only solid read for me atm (as town). While Nydus has played with him before and says this behavior is alignment-null, he's instigating the scumhunting that town sorely needs early D1. As a result, I would peg him as town (or at least, a non-viable D1 lynch). That being said, I don't agree with any of the early lynch candidates thus far (as in, I don't have a strong enough read on any of them currently), and would rather lynch a lurker at this point in time. That includes scott, because his post was pretty much a non-response. Of Cats or meatpudding, if I had to choose a D1 lynch atm, I'd vote meatpudding solely based on thread contribution.
-Teemu agrees with me and "thinks I'm town", which I always appreciate, but he "thinks I'm town". He could be a town, or a mafia trying to make both of us or just me look mafia. Again, completely ambiguous and I'm not sure.
My general impression of mafia players in my limited experience is that they work to distance themselves as much as possible. I personally do not read too much into it atm; without a flip it's speculation. Lord tolkien, this is the wrong way to approach forum mafia. In forum mafia, you lynch for scum ONLY, not for information/clearing lurkers/usefulness to town. We usually clear lurkers with cops and people useful to town will die quick to mafia anyway. I have a feeling you knew this. Coupled with how you wanted to go with meatpudding but went with scott just for a wagon, you're playing really scummy. ##Vote: lord tolkien
I wrote this in response
At this point in the game, I'm going to have to disagree with Haruhi. How could we possibly know who scum is on day one? I have a feeling that Teemursu is possible scum, but I'm not going to vote for Teemursu just yet because he's talking a lot and being active. If he turned out to be actual town that'd be even worse had we voted him off because he was an active contributor. If we get rid of all the active townies, then mafia has a significantly better shot at winning. Token's voting for Scott as someone who hasn't contributed much, which seems justified enough to me. In my first game I voted off a non-contributing townie, and I'd probably do it again, as he didn't defend himself well enough to sway votes off of him.
I personally, though, think that your pushing on Token was too hard, even voting for him so quickly, for it to be scummy though. I'd think a scum wouldn't want to put themselves out like that so easily. So, though I disagree with you for now, that doesn't mean I think you're scum. I'd say you were town for making a move that I found questionable, but only because I think a scum would be better than to make a move so rash. It's all pretty much impossible to tell anyways though.
Again, I tend not to put a lot of thought into day 1 posts. I did on my first mafia game and everything I had gathered at that point turned out to be wrong. I don't want that to happen again here.
Well, I spent an hour and a half writing this out. It's almost 2 now, so I should probably get some sleep. Usually I can stay up a lot later guys, but I'm not at my house right now, so it's not an option right now. Tomorrow I should be able to post more if I see anything I want to add, but I'm getting off for tonight after I post this and refresh. KK.
Her read on meatpudding makes a lot of sense, too. On June 22 2014 21:39 HaruRH wrote:In fact, meatpudding's vote on me is very questionable. 1) Contradicts himselfLet's take a look at his reason to vote for me. + Show Spoiler +On June 22 2014 20:58 meatpudding wrote:
Not very sure how to vote. I could read players that are defensive as scum.
##Vote: HaruRH
Haru is not really pushing town agenda. Asking vague questions, not pushing anyone in particular. Calling out when Hobbitus contradicts herself, does not seem like a good read to me.
I'm still leaning towards Teemu as scum. Teemu and Templar have played before, maybe that is why they are acting familiar, but it seems like Teemu's reads are off.
Cats is asking lots of questions, I am leaning town here.
On Templar, I think only his one long post gives much info. I think he plays town, but could be trying to give false info.
Tolkien seems noncommittal, then starts a bandwagon. Not sure here.
Hobbitus not posting much but looks like town trying to get some early reads.
That's all I have for now. TL'DR Asking vaque questions, not pushing anyone. By looking at what he has posted, all his questions were very vague and he never follows up on the questions. Also, he is pushing even less than me (He only stated he find teemu/Templar suspicious). If he is scum, he is currently finding suspicion on as many people as possible so that it will look less suspicious of him to jump wagons when the situation arises. 2) Does not stick to his readsHe initially read Templar and teemu as potential scum. Then, he votes me based on a 2 liner 'push' that can be applied to half the players here. This is similar to the point where I mention that he could be trying to jump wagons later on without getting suspected of doing so - he can freely jump between voting me, Templar and teemu. This is very indicative of scum since he as explained by himself. This is more than enough for a d1 vote for me. ##Unvote
##Vote: Meatpudding meatpudding doesn't make a whole lot of sense, so Haruhi calls him out on it. I happen to agree, too, and offer my own post about meatpudding where I vote for him. Haruhi's scum stance on meatpudding also attributes to her townieness I feel. Cats - Town lean + Show Spoiler +I really didn't pay much attention to Cats until he pointed out that Meat voted for him while ignoring Token. Honestly, I think I've been tunneling Cats as probable town whole game for little reason other than him being picked out unfairly by Meat and Nydus (whom I didn't agree with his vote). I saw nothing scummy about Cats when he was voted for. His vote for Meat was the most justified however out of all of us. On June 23 2014 07:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Ok, i'm voting MysteryMeat. I really don't like that he said i was super scummy for bringing up the idea of lynching an inactive while completely ignoring the fact that Tolkien did the same thing and voting me for it seeing as thread sentement wasn't exactly in my favour at the time. Him thinking i'm "super scummy" is completely disproportionate to the rest of the thread's view which is null to slightly scummy at best so i'm having a hard time thinking his implied certainty that i'm scum is genuine plus as i said at the time i looked like a likely lynch candidate and two people had voted for me shortly before his post. His double standard regarding my and Tolkien's scumminess combined with his overconfidence that i'm scum posted just when a wagon was forming on me looks like an excuse made up to jump on an easy bandwagon from my pov. Also him posting that a non alignment indicative thing is scummy is itself scummy, he's twisting things to suit his own purposes: Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 22:25 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 22 2014 22:01 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 22 2014 17:49 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
yoyoyoyo whats up guys!
im the mystery of the meat! i know quite a few people here, teemu and nydus from vid mafia, epishade my self-proclaimed pretend to be best friend, and templar from blogs and stuff. Just from reading throug the last couple of pages
current reads:
THE_TEMPLAR:
he likes my blogs which is a pretty big plus one
I don't like how he links his mafia play filter. IMO its pretty scummy people who do it. ITs like guys this is how i play mafia, don't worry i can't possibly change my play and fool you guys. THE_Templar and one other posted their filters, which seemed pretty scummy.
I read Scott's posts and didn't really see any reason to vote on him. However its forum mafia, so voting 20 hours before deadline isn't that big of a deal as you can always switch. Don't mind him pressuring scott either.
King of the cats:
I honestly really don't like him, seems super scummy, in one of his arguments on lynching, he mentions that he doesn't care about alignment. If you can push a mislynch day1, then you can kill a stronger player in the night. Top scum at the moment.
Hobbitus:
Mentions its his first game. Considering this is a newbie game, makes sense that he would post it. However i don't really like that he posted that. He also blows stuff up. all in all, don't like his post buts its not enough to give a solid read on. leaning town.
Teemu:
excels at finding scum day1, perfectly alright with pinging people out. Also votes can change, at this point i feel like votes are just to pressure people. And in my experience, votes made closer to deadline mean a whole lot more.
meatpudding:
leaning town, didn't jump on any bandwagons, however its self-proclaimed which i don't really like.
Nydus:
seems pretty town, he's making reads, and he was a bit trolly at the begining with the haikus but switched into serious mode.
Every one else, just from a quick read through didn't stand out too much, or i forgot to post about them.
for now though, i'll vote on cat, as i think he's pretty scummy.
##VOTE: TheKingOfCats I would like to know what your actual read on Teemu is. All you've given is a description of what he is like in video mafia. I like the reasoning you gave behind your Templar read, although I am leaning town on him. Overall, I like the reads that you gave, even though I don't necessarily agree with all of them. I am leaning town on you MysteryMeat1. The things he said about Templar were not good points, he's trying to say that something that isn't alignment indicative is scummy. If Templar is scum then his point is valid given enough time but you can't make your scum play match your town play overnight, seeing as he's only played 3 games here and been scum in only 1 of them it's safe to say he doesn't even know how to play scum let alone match his scum play to his town play, and if he's town it would make sense to post filters from previous games so you can see if he's playing like he was in his past town games thus giving people a chance to meta read him. It's not inherently scummy and any attempt to paint it as such is just WIFOM. Fun fact: I confused Templar with Epishade and he confused Templar with Tolkien but amazingly the point still stands because this is only Tolkien's 3rd game. ##Vote: MysteryMeat1Predit: I'm not entirely sure i like the way this post is worded, feel free to give me shit for it. This post, in conversation with Templar, is what makes me think he leans town. On June 23 2014 08:06 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 07:52 The_Templar wrote:On June 23 2014 07:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Also him posting that a non alignment indicative thing is scummy is itself scummy, he's twisting things to suit his own purposes: On June 22 2014 22:25 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 22 2014 22:01 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 22 2014 17:49 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
yoyoyoyo whats up guys!
im the mystery of the meat! i know quite a few people here, teemu and nydus from vid mafia, epishade my self-proclaimed pretend to be best friend, and templar from blogs and stuff. Just from reading throug the last couple of pages
current reads:
THE_TEMPLAR:
he likes my blogs which is a pretty big plus one
I don't like how he links his mafia play filter. IMO its pretty scummy people who do it. ITs like guys this is how i play mafia, don't worry i can't possibly change my play and fool you guys. THE_Templar and one other posted their filters, which seemed pretty scummy.
I read Scott's posts and didn't really see any reason to vote on him. However its forum mafia, so voting 20 hours before deadline isn't that big of a deal as you can always switch. Don't mind him pressuring scott either.
King of the cats:
I honestly really don't like him, seems super scummy, in one of his arguments on lynching, he mentions that he doesn't care about alignment. If you can push a mislynch day1, then you can kill a stronger player in the night. Top scum at the moment.
Hobbitus:
Mentions its his first game. Considering this is a newbie game, makes sense that he would post it. However i don't really like that he posted that. He also blows stuff up. all in all, don't like his post buts its not enough to give a solid read on. leaning town.
Teemu:
excels at finding scum day1, perfectly alright with pinging people out. Also votes can change, at this point i feel like votes are just to pressure people. And in my experience, votes made closer to deadline mean a whole lot more.
meatpudding:
leaning town, didn't jump on any bandwagons, however its self-proclaimed which i don't really like.
Nydus:
seems pretty town, he's making reads, and he was a bit trolly at the begining with the haikus but switched into serious mode.
Every one else, just from a quick read through didn't stand out too much, or i forgot to post about them.
for now though, i'll vote on cat, as i think he's pretty scummy.
##VOTE: TheKingOfCats I would like to know what your actual read on Teemu is. All you've given is a description of what he is like in video mafia. I like the reasoning you gave behind your Templar read, although I am leaning town on him. Overall, I like the reads that you gave, even though I don't necessarily agree with all of them. I am leaning town on you MysteryMeat1. The things he said about Templar were not good points, he's trying to say that something that isn't alignment indicative is scummy. If Templar is scum then his point is valid given enough time but you can't make your scum play match your town play overnight, seeing as he's only played 3 games here and been scum in only 1 of them it's safe to say he doesn't even know how to play scum let alone match his scum play to his town play, and if he's town it would make sense to post filters from previous games so you can see if he's playing like he was in his past town games thus giving people a chance to meta read him. It's not inherently scummy and any attempt to paint it as such is just WIFOM. Fun fact: I confused Templar with Epishade and he confused Templar with Tolkien but amazingly the point still stands because this is only Tolkien's 3rd game. ##Vote: MysteryMeat1Predit: I'm not entirely sure i like the way this post is worded, feel free to give me shit for it. I agree his quick scum read on you is sort of sudden and not particularly justified. But he's barely posted since then so maybe he was planning on not doing much for the rest of the day. If that was supposed to be a defence of MM it's not a very good one. Him possibly not planning on doing much for the rest of the day is hardly alignment indicative and if anything coming up with a weak reason to join a wagon and fucking off till flip is actually scummy. I think here, Cats slightly suspects Templar of potentially defending MM for his vote, thinking they are both potential mafia. If he were mafia, he wouldn't care to throw this suspicion at Templar (as slight as it might have been) because he knows that MM would flip town, and everything he suspected Templar of wouldn't matter after that. He didn't know at this point, and so he expressed doubt that Templar was actually town through his defense of Meat. He also analyzes my post about Token's death as well. On June 24 2014 21:49 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2014 14:35 Epishade wrote:
Ermm, I was really not expecting Token to get shot, of all people. I expected either myself, Haruhi, or Templar to die tbh, as we've all been townread for the majority of the game by most people. Token could have been a potential case if someone were to call him out, so I have a hard time rationalizing why mafia would shoot Token over someone more townie.
The only way I can see Token's shot being justified is if mafia thought he was on the right track and shot him to get rid of him, because objectively, that looked like a bad shot to me. You usually shoot people that have little chance of getting lynched for reading townie, but there seemed to be enough suspicion on Token (or at least, more than the three people I listed above) for me to think that that wasn't the reason he was shot.
There are a few people that Token scumreads over day 1, and I think that probably played a part in his death.
His scumreads:
JabberZerg (initially, then changed his mind to a townread at 4:00, which wouldn't have given mafia time to change their shot if JabberZerg wanted to keep Token alive for townreading him, assuming that Jabber is mafia)
meatpudding
Teemursu
Cats
His townreads:
Haruhi
Templar
me
Hobbit (only in his post at 4:00)
Fence reads:
Nydus
Dunno reads:
GlowBear
Other peoples
So I think the cases should probably be focused on people in his scum list at this point. I mean, he did say for people to look at me, GlowBear, and Nydus day 2 in his 4:02 post, but I'm not considering these specifically right now because they came too late to be able to influence mafia, and I'm only looking at the reasoning for shooting Token here over someone else.
He also asked me to post my reads on him, Cats, and meatpudding at this point, too, but I woke up too early today and am dead tired. I'll post my reads on everybody I have reads for sometime tomorrow after I wake up.
Night all. First of all you're assuming that scum shot Tolkien, it's possible that scum got jailed/roleblocked and the vig shot Tolkien. Tolkien being shot because be suspected the right people makes little sense but lets analyze it a bit. If me or meatpudding are scum it would be pointless to shoot him for suspecting us because half the game does, if either of us were to shoot him it wouldn't change anything for us and it would actually be detrimental for us to do that as scum because Tolkien was looking scummy to a lot of people too and he would've been one of the easier people to push for a mislynch. seeing as him, me and meatpudding were the main lynch candidates today we wouldn't kill one of our most valid chances to escape a lynch. Teemu, well this one's simple. If he was going to shoot someone for being "on" to him it would've been meatpudding because meatpudding's been on him more. Why would he shoot Tolkien over meatpudding? Why would he shoot either of them for that matter? They were both suspicious to a lot of people and he wasn't. As for Jabber...i dunno. He seems to be on a few peoples radars if i remember correctly, it would make more sense to shoot one of them for being "on" to him as opposed to one of the lynch candidates. It really doesn't make sense for scum to shoot him especially for the reason you posted. Personally i think the less likely situation of scum's NK being blocked and a Vig targeting Tolkien is more likely. He's thinking like a townie here, thinking through all the people he might think would have reason to shoot Token, and explaining why or why not they might have done it. He also suggests that vigi killed Token and mafia's shot was blocked, which, though I think is a little unlikely still, is not outside chance, considering Templar was jailed (which I didn't know at the time). Nydus - Scum lean + Show Spoiler +I started off Nydus with a townlead originally for asking Templar to ignore any of Teemursu's video mafia experience in making reads on him, here. (Sorry for formatting). Show nested quote +
On June 22 2014 08:20 The_Templar wrote:
Personally, I don't know about Teemu, partly because I don't know about video mafia. I'm going to research this further. Scum-hunting isn't essential on day 1; I think it's more of a developing point in the game but that's just my two cents.
I don't like Scott's posts very much.
I'd like you to imagine that Teemu had absolutely no experience in video mafia prior to this forum game. I say this because I feel like you're holding back on reading him because of two possible reasons. One, you're used to active day 1 scum hunting as being a mafia tell but I'm telling you that it's not. Two, you're scum trying to give multiple null reads in order to keep your options open in the future. I changed my stance on him though when he voted for Cats. On June 22 2014 16:05 NydusHerMain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 16:03 jabberwockzerg wrote:On June 22 2014 15:45 Teemursu wrote:On June 22 2014 15:42 jabberwockzerg wrote:On June 22 2014 15:42 Teemursu wrote:On June 22 2014 15:41 Teemursu wrote:
Haru, could you give your case on Lord Tolkien if you think he's scum?? EDIT: Minus one question mark. It's way less frantic now : ) Hey, jabber, you're in the thread with me, cool! Let's talk. What's your read on Scott? Scott just seems totally lost tbh. Nothing he has said is really scummy. He could definitely put in more work for the town, but that just comes from inexperience. New Scum players tend to go overboard or post almost nothing, which isn't what he's doing. Anything you want to say about him? I absolutely agree with this. He seems completely inexperienced rather than scummy. #Vote: TheKingOfCatsI still think that TheKingOfCats is the most scummy, followed by MeatPudding. I will update my vote accordingly but that is how I stand at the moment. He votes for Cats with his reasoning here: On June 22 2014 02:21 NydusHerMain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 02:14 Teemursu wrote:On June 22 2014 02:07 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 22 2014 01:53 Teemursu wrote:On June 22 2014 01:39 NydusHerMain wrote:
As someone who plays with you a lot in video mafia, I feel like this is not a typical read of yours. Seems a bit forced, and I hope that it's a reaction test. If it is, I'd like you to explain what you got from it.
Why does it seem forced? I'm not reaction testing him. I did get a towny feel from what he said in the brackets.
I don't think scum align themselves so quickly. The read seems a bit weak but I don't necessarily think it comes from scum. Your read on TheKingOfCats seems to come from a towny perspective. Not sure what to think of you yet but leaning town.
I don't really hear you giving town/scum perspective reads either. I didn't necessarily read his defensiveness caused by TheKingOfCats's null read to come from a towny perspective. Could you specifically explain that read? When I play with you in video mafia, your town reads come from hearing people give several reads, and deciding on whether or not you like their logic. Seeing you give a quick town read for something very small that I personally don't see as being particularly alignment indicative is very weird from you. Perhaps your playstyle is different on forum mafia but if this were video mafia, you'd be quick to drop into my scum list. Having played with me before, you should know that my town and scum reads come from small things that people do or say whereas your reads come from a bigger picture. Reading the posts again, I realize that TheKingOfCats didn't even give a null read, rather, he gave no read at all. Meatpudding's defensiveness actually does seem scummy. I am getting names mixed up and should read more carefully. Personally, I feel like I'm expressing things here that I don't normally bother saying in video. I agree with you getting town reads from small things, but I rarely hear you explain reads by saying from which alignment/perspective players are telling their reads. In either case, we should evaluate each other based on this game alone. Discussing how our play might differ from different form of mafia is probably not going to give us much. In any case, what's your read on TheKingOfCats? My read on TheKingOfCats so far is that he is potential scum with MeatPudding.Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:17 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:51 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 22:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:46 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. I don't like this. What don't you like about it? The joke felt forced. Admitting to lurking and not at least saying you'll have more reads later on in the day rings scummy to me. Anyway, I just wanted to ping someone out. Do you have any early reads? It's too early for me to have any reads. Seeing as this is Meatpudding's first game i don't think his post was alignment indicative but if he doesn't contribute anything he'll be a good lynch regardless of his alignment. Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 01:49 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:52 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:On June 21 2014 23:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:09 meatpudding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote:
Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes.
I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e.
I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though).
My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar.
I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Since you're wondering, it was a direct response to this post. I usually browse custom maps but don't often post there. What was a direct response to that post? This post was a response to Templar: On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course. Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town? TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. So I didn't specifically call you out. Apparently I got a reaction anyway, which is good, considering I just said I only pinged you out. I don't feel like TheKingOfCats is trying to lynch you at all, and I'm not sure how I should read your defensiveness about that (new player/mafia being pushed). He did give a fence read on you though. Like, It's obvious that we should lynch people who don't contribute at all. He's someone I'm going to keep my eye on. Please explain to me how i gave a fence read on meatpudding when i didn't give a read on him at all. I find it weird that TheKingOfCats' first reaction is to question Teemu on a supposed "null read" when I feel like MeatPudding saying that TheKingOfCats is trying to lynch him (pretty much saying that TheKingOfCats has a scum read on him) is a much scummier thing. Ok, so he thinks meatpudding and Cats are a scumteam right now, and Cats is townreading meatpudding for that reason. However, he seems to contradict himself, as he said before that he doesn't think scum aligns themselves so early in the game. On June 22 2014 01:39 NydusHerMain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 22:59 Teemursu wrote:Yeah, I'm probably the most serious person you'll meet on this forum. I actually kinda like this read. Feels like it's coming from a towny perspective. We -are- all new here and some are playing for the first time, and your read has that ring to it. As someone who plays with you a lot in video mafia, I feel like this is not a typical read of yours. Seems a bit forced, and I hope that it's a reaction test. If it is, I'd like you to explain what you got from it. Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:On June 21 2014 23:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:09 meatpudding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote:
Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes.
I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e.
I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though).
My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar.
I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Since you're wondering, it was a direct response to this post. I usually browse custom maps but don't often post there. What was a direct response to that post? This post was a response to Templar: On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course. Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town?TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. I don't think scum align themselves so quickly. The read seems a bit weak but I don't necessarily think it comes from scum. Your read on TheKingOfCats seems to come from a towny perspective. Not sure what to think of you yet but leaning town. So he says he doesn't think scum aligns themselves so quickly, but is ready to vote for Cats based on your thought that, since he said he didn't think meatpudding's post was particularly alignment indicative. Wouldn't that imply that Cats and meatpudding had aligned themselves together? Anyways, I thought Nydus' vote kind of contradicted that, and I didn't think Cats was scummy at the time, so I questioned his vote. Afterwards, he changes his vote to MysteryMeat here, and townreads Haruhi, Token, and JabberZerg. On June 23 2014 12:23 NydusHerMain wrote:I just woke up so I should have a clearer mind for this. ##: UnvoteLordTolkien: Town + Show Spoiler +LordTolkien starts off the game saying that people trying to solve the game are town, and that lurkers are mafia. I thought that this was scummy because of how he was defending Teemu just for being someone being active. He didn't just say that Teemu was off the table, he said that Teemu was town. However, as I read through his filter, it is clear that his reads keep updating. I feel like it is more indicative of scum to tunnel on certain people with weak reasons, whereas LordTolkien looks like he's constantly getting new town and scum reads. Town + Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 23:57 jabberwockzerg wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 22:48 Solar424 wrote:
Hello. I am new to TL, and this is the first time playing Mafia online, bu I know the rules. you know the rules, and so do I Feels like it's coming from a town perspective. I know it's a weird thing to town read someone off of but it looks like he's annoyed with this post in a "Wow, thanks for the input, I also read the rules" kind of way. As opposed to most people, his reads aren't as polarized and it gives the feel of him trying to find out why people find certain people scummy that he has a town or fence read on. Town + Show Spoiler +Sigh... I was reading through his attack on The_Templar based on how The_Templar supposedly knew there was more than one mafia... it was pregame filter. Hard to clear my mind from that but I'll try. As of this moment, his play feels very consistent. Can't really see any glaring inconsistencies. The fact that he compiled reads that people made alone makes me want to say that he's town just for effort but we all know that effort is not alignment indicative. I didn't like how he had a lot of fluff when people were already in scum hunting mode. Actually, to be honest, he's asking great questions. I was going to say leaning town just because of the fluff but I feel like his contributions outweigh that. I wanted to give more detailed reads on everyone but I feel like I don't have enough time with how much time is left in the day to actually finish my reads so I'm going to be way more concise from now on. I don't think that TheKingOfCats is as scummy as I originally thought he was. I feel like MysteryMeat1 just sheeped my read on him and is actually scummier than I thought. I was pretty tired when I made those reads initially. I rescind my town read on Teemu, I pretty much townread him because our reads seemed to align but after reading through the thread again, I feel like our reads are starting to differ. I'm not saying that it means Teemu is scum, but I'm just not feeling him as town as I did prior. The_Templar I'm getting towny vibes from, otherwise, I don't really have standout reads. Everyone else is more leaning null aside from MeatPudding who I also think is scummy. ##Vote: MysteryMeat1 Though, he does rescind his read on Teemursu and Cats, it's a while after everyone kind of already knew Cats wasn't going to be lynched and Teemursu was being read as scummy anyways. I don't think it would make much sense for a scum to keep those opposing views, but a townie could just as well do the same, so I can't hold that against Nydus here. He does end up voting Meat without an explanation. Could just be he didn't think he had time to read through and come up with a reason? Idk, that's not alignment indicative either though. He was scumreading meatpudding too, so he could have voted for meatpudding just as well here. It didn't really matter which Meat he picked here. He ends up townreading Haruhi, Token, and JabberZerg, too. JabberZerg he townreads based on a joke that Jabber made though, so I'm not sure if he'd still want to keep that read, as he didn't realize Jabber was referring to a song in the post that he townreads him. I started out this read thinking that Nydus was scum, but now I'm not entirely sure. He's a scumlean at best, but he conflicts with a lot of other people I thought were scum too, such as Teemursu and meatpudding. GlowBear - Slight town + Show Spoiler +GlowBear's a little harder of a read for me. I kind of think he is town for questioning Haruhi's alignment, since she is a large part of the thread and he's worried she may be leading us astray, especially when nobody views Haruhi as scum currently (I don't think). On June 24 2014 02:15 GlowingBear wrote:
I think Haru is dangerous because he leads our reads. He ask questions to be answered and, therefore, changes the route of our reasoning. If he is scum, he has got us on his hands.
But I never saw any scum sign in his posts. I think he ask good questions that may help town. So, I think he is townie. I also like that he's clearly giving his reads on everybody in the game, as this makes it harder for him to backtrack on somebody that he thinks might be scum. He doesn't go too in-depth in his reads, but the fact that he's doing it at all seems kind of townie to me. On June 23 2014 08:06 GlowingBear wrote:Ok, following this order, here are my reads of these reads: On Nydus's: + Show Spoiler + He's got the same reads i've got on meatpudding and TheKingOfCats (I've said earlier that I wasn't really sure about meatpudding but after analyzing his reads I've started to believe he is leaning scum, I'll tell why on his time), although I don't think he's got good grounds on it. I don't think that questioning Teemu instead of TheKingOfCats is ground for possible scummy.
That said, I don't actually see solid argumentation here, but nothing suspicious. Null-read on Nydus. On MysteryMeat's: + Show Spoiler + *On his reads on The_Templar, I don't see direct relation between having scum filters and that being scummy. You may clarify this assumption so I could understand it better, but it means nothing to me right now.
*On his reads on scott, I'm with him. I'd just say that, as someone said, Scott is kinda lost in the game. ALTHOUGH voting on himself looked very suspicious. Sounded like he was trying to get away from being lynched by looking as a victim.
*On his reads on Cats, I' with him again. Most of TheKingOfCats posts sounds scummy to me.
*On his reads on Hobbitus, I don't see a problem on saying that it's her first game. I have a townie-read on Hobbitus, but I need to read more of her posts to get a stronger read.
*On his reads on Teemu, I disagree. As someone said, forcing a "pinging out" before analyzing meatpudding's reaction was suspicious, as to push voting to someone he knows it's not his partner in case he is a scum. Some other of his posts have a scummy vibe, although sometimes I see him leaning townie. I have no reads on Teemu by now.
*On his reads on meatpudding, I disagree. He sounded scum in the beginning of the game and in other times later. I have a specific argument which I'll reveal while analyzing meatpudding reads.
*On his reads on Nydus, I'm not really sure. I think Nydus is leaning townie, but that's a weak read I have.
That said, there is little I can tell about MysteryMeat. Null-read. I will do a less detailed read on reads from now on, or the post will get too big. On Templar's: + Show Spoiler + His reads are kinda confusing for me, actually. He suspects Nydus but doesn't suspect Cats nor meatpudding? Then, after, assumes that his best guess for scum is Cats? It's confusing and I don't agree with it but I have to admit his grounds on Nydus are ok.
Null-read on Templar's for now, I think if he could clarify his assumptions I'd have a better read on him On Tolkien's (and about Lurking) + Show Spoiler + I think he has no grounds on Scott and his "lynch all lurkers" policy worries me. As one of the guides said, it's a common blue strategy to lurk. But that's not the main point.
The main point is: if you are Mafia and you have Mafia partners lurking, would you risk forcing this "lynch all lurkers" policy? I don't think so. Now, if you are Mafia and all your partners are on the game, what would you do? Force the policy so you could lynch a blue, as lurking is a common blue strategy.
Moreover, if you are convincend I am town, this means that lurkers definetely weren't all Mafia, which would mean that Mafia strategy of lynching lurkers is a huge possibility.
Again, saying "As for the possibility of hitting a lurking blue role or whatever, it is a risk" worries me the most. Would you take the risk to take a cop out of the game instead of trying to identify active scum?
Because of these, I have a strong scumread on Tolkien He is still forcing this policy by now. On Haru's: + Show Spoiler +He's got the same opinion as I. Moreover, I said before I have a strong feeling Haru is townie. Therefore, thats how I read him. On Epishade's: + Show Spoiler + Alright, not sure what to think about Teemu and Templar, as I said before. Therefore, I cannot totally disagree with the arguments Epishade brought. Really hard to analyze. But at least he brought plausible arguments.
I have a leaning town read on Epishade because I think he is trying to contribute and brings good grounds with his reads, although I might not agree with them.. On Teemu's: + Show Spoiler + Again, not sure what to think about Teemu and his reads are ok but I can't see his grounds in this post. Not a reliable read I must say. On Scott's: + Show Spoiler + I've not got much to say, it's pratically the point of view I'm having of the game right now. Makes me wonder if I'm misunderstaning his self-vote. I'd null-read him for now. On meatpudding's: + Show Spoiler +
"Not very sure how to vote. I could read players that are defensive as scum.
##Vote: HaruRH
Haru is not really pushing town agenda. Asking vague questions, not pushing anyone in particular. Calling out when Hobbitus contradicts herself, does not seem like a good read to me.
I'm still leaning towards Teemu as scum. Teemu and Templar have played before, maybe that is why they are acting familiar, but it seems like Teemu's reads are off.
Cats is asking lots of questions, I am leaning town here.
On Templar, I think only his one long post gives much info. I think he plays town, but could be trying to give false info.
Tolkien seems noncommittal, then starts a bandwagon. Not sure here.
Hobbitus not posting much but looks like town trying to get some early reads.
That's all I have for now."
There is a huge contradiction here. Meatpudding is declaring Haru guilty for the same reason he decides Cats is not-guilty. He says that Haru is asking vague questions, but if Cats isn't, I don't know how a precise question should be. This seems really suspicious and, as I think Cats is probably scum, meatpudding may trying to cover up a partner.
I have a strong scumread here. On Haru's (again) + Show Spoiler + Haru has got the same opinion as I, that meatpudding is contradicting(?) himself, and I've concluded this opinion before even reading Haru's scumread. I'm with him. On Templar's (again): + Show Spoiler + Once again, I cannot read Templar. But this time he brought good grounds on most of his assumptions, although I might not agree with them. Phew, that took long! Having said all of these, although I still have a feeling that TheKingOfCats might be scum, I'll vore for meatpudding as I've got now a stronger read on him. So... ##Vote: meatpudding Glowbear also calls into question my post about Token's death, which is good, though I disagree with him on which of his scenarios is more likely. On June 24 2014 23:24 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2014 14:35 Epishade wrote:
Ermm, I was really not expecting Token to get shot, of all people. I expected either myself, Haruhi, or Templar to die tbh, as we've all been townread for the majority of the game by most people. Token could have been a potential case if someone were to call him out, so I have a hard time rationalizing why mafia would shoot Token over someone more townie.
The only way I can see Token's shot being justified is if mafia thought he was on the right track and shot him to get rid of him, because objectively, that looked like a bad shot to me. You usually shoot people that have little chance of getting lynched for reading townie, but there seemed to be enough suspicion on Token (or at least, more than the three people I listed above) for me to think that that wasn't the reason he was shot.
There are a few people that Token scumreads over day 1, and I think that probably played a part in his death.
His scumreads:
JabberZerg (initially, then changed his mind to a townread at 4:00, which wouldn't have given mafia time to change their shot if JabberZerg wanted to keep Token alive for townreading him, assuming that Jabber is mafia)
meatpudding
Teemursu
Cats
His townreads:
Haruhi
Templar
me
Hobbit (only in his post at 4:00)
Fence reads:
Nydus
Dunno reads:
GlowBear
Other peoples
So I think the cases should probably be focused on people in his scum list at this point. I mean, he did say for people to look at me, GlowBear, and Nydus day 2 in his 4:02 post, but I'm not considering these specifically right now because they came too late to be able to influence mafia, and I'm only looking at the reasoning for shooting Token here over someone else.
He also asked me to post my reads on him, Cats, and meatpudding at this point, too, but I woke up too early today and am dead tired. I'll post my reads on everybody I have reads for sometime tomorrow after I wake up.
Night all. Your post strike me as odd. It's because the scenario you've brought isn't the only one possible. Possible scenarios are: 1) Tolkien was on the right track and asking the right questions, so it was better for Mafia to make him shut up. This is too simplistic, it would easily lead townies to lynch the right people. I don't think Mafia would do this. 2) Tolkien wasn't on the right track but being shot would lead town to misread other townies. This one seems more plausible to me. 3) My stupid mistake made them change their top townies change targets to someone who had more scumreads 4) Top townies are actually very good scums and they killed at random (I think this is too much) As I think (2) is more plausible, your post striked me as odd because you seem to push (1) as the only possible interpretation, leading townies to misreads and, therefore, to mislynchs. I'll keep an eye on you. meatpudding - Scum lean + Show Spoiler +
meatpudding has, like MysteryMeat, not exactly used the best logic in his posts. A lot of people have called him out on it and I don't really feel like thoroughly going through his filter to restate what has already been said.
I'll just say that my current read on him is probably tied for scummy with Teemursu atm, with Nydus first.
Hobbit - Dunno. Kinda town. + Show Spoiler +I put Hobbit in a similar area of townieness to GlowBear. He lists his reads, like GlowBear did too. On June 23 2014 03:57 Hobbitus wrote:
Might as well do this systematically:
1. Lord Tolkien-On the fence
I like that he's consistent on voting for people that are not the best contributors. How much I agree with this logic is less cut and dry. For D1, I think it's acceptable, I think there will be a lot more to go on after someone flips. He's not saying too much else though.
2. Jabberwockzerg-Leaning scum
Not really contributing much, giving alignment reads but no real arguments of substance to go with them. Pushing Tolkien for I have no idea what reason. Also talking up cats, who has been meh this whole game for me.
3. HaruRH-On the fence
I think his read on Tolkien was too aggressive, but he later retracts this. I don't like his read on meatpudding either, but consistently disagreeing with someone doesn't mean their alignment isn't the same as yours.
4. Thekingofthecats-On the fence
I just haven't been blown away by his contribution, especially when prefaced by his post about how he likes to help town by contributing. He did try to warn us though. Also I find his timing to enter the game suspicious, as it was right after Teemu said he wasn't contributing and while scott/Templar were discussing the scumminess of lurkers.
5. NydusHerMain-Leaning town
Makes good points, I like that he was willing to challenge Teemu.
6. Solar424 (crickets chirp)
7. GlowingBear (crickets chirp)
8. Meatpudding-leaning town
I agree with most of his reads. The only thing I dislike is how quick he is to see himself as the victim when Teemu is involved.
9. Hobbitus-town obviously
10. Teemursu-leaning scum
I was getting scum vibes a lot in the first few posts, but less so now. My first instinct makes me suspicious, but what he said about scott being able to replace rather than waste a lynch has been partial redemption. Also he is contributing a lot, which makes me agree with everyone else about him being a bad D1 lynch.
11. Epishade-leaning town
Like the logic, want more posts.
12. Scott31337-on the fence
Fighting to figure out if he's making mistakes from inexperience or scumminess. I really dislike his dialogue with Templar about total lurkers getting modkilled.
13. The_Templar-town
A really strong town vibe, every post. Still going to keep my eye out, but my most certain read rn.
14: MysteryMeat1-on the fence
His post just seems careless. Need more info.
15: BlondeMocha (crickets chirp) A lot of what he says is also things that I can see the logic in and agree with. At this point in the game, Haruhi had just voted for Token, which I thought was questionable but gave me a townread on her. Hobbit reads Haruhi as a little scummy for it, which I can also see the reasoning for. He's also suspicious of Teemursu, as am I. Here, too, he reinforces my townie read on him. On June 23 2014 09:53 Hobbitus wrote:But I'm still stuck in the same position then: is he scum or bad town? Tolkien, you'll vote him either way, why should I? I'd imagine a scum would likely just not even bother asking something like this, and instead just figure out their own reasoning to vote for MysteryMeat. No reason to ask this if you're scum. Teemursu - Slight scum lean + Show Spoiler +My opinion on Teemursu is less scummy than before, but still a little bit. So I'll post the reasoning that I used before in thinking him as scum. On June 22 2014 14:42 Epishade wrote:As for Teemursu, he's got a few posts that make me a little suspicious. Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 22:51 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 22:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:46 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. I don't like this. What don't you like about it? The joke felt forced. Admitting to lurking and not at least saying you'll have more reads later on in the day rings scummy to me. Anyway, I just wanted to ping someone out. Do you have any early reads? Someone making a joke that Teemursu thought felt forced sounded scummy to him doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I realize that generally, people like others to post more than lurk, but pudding admitting that he probably won't post that much doesn't sound all that scummy to me. He's never played before on TL (afaik), so we have no way of knowing his true posting style. He could just be upfront about the way he thinks he's going to post, but that doesn't ring scummy to me. Doesn't read town for me either, he just wants people to know his posting style so we don't lynch him for lurking, instead of actual content he produces. Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:58 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 23:54 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 21 2014 22:48 Solar424 wrote:
Hello. I am new to TL, and this is the first time playing Mafia online, bu I know the rules. Feeling a bit rushed, spelling error, no details, I think you are scum Hi, Nydus. It's going to be an interesting challenge to try to read you. I expect a lot from your haiku mastery. May they be plentiful and insightful. 8O) Does anybody else think that this doesn't sound like something that a townie might say? "It's going to be an interesting challenge to try to read you." Maybe I'm being pedantic here, but that sounds like something a mafia would say in an attempt to sound like town. I couldn't see a town saying that, but maybe I'm overthinking it, idk. However, On June 23 2014 20:33 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 12:57 Lord Tolkien wrote:
But no seriously you're fine, just...you need to work on making sense. If you are town, such a glaring discrepancy in analysis like what you did will get you punished unless it was deliberate (and you'll get punished for that too, like I learned my last newbie mafia gaem <_< ). And you really need to work on making sense. Because I still can't follow your line of thinking in your defense afterwards.
If you're scum, die. I want you to stop flip-flopping on MeatPudding. This isn't updating your own reads, as Nydus said. It sounds more like being unsettled to call your scum partner one way or the other. You say he's fine, and you coach him on how to play better as town. But just in case he's scum, you tell him to die.I'm saying you're not fine, and that you need to dig yourself out from the hole you've jumped in to by making this case on MM1 on weak basis. By making the case based on him having discrepancy in analysis and not making much sense, while these are the exact same things MeatPudding should be accused of, and you still think he is "fine". You most certainly are scum, and you need to die. This is another thing I don't see a scum saying to Token. Though I disagree with how nitpicky he is being to Token here, I think the content of what he posts here leans town a bit. He's being fairly accusatory to Token, almost as if he expected Token to be a primary lynch candidate Day 2. But since Token died in the night, Teemursu wouldn't have had to worry about doing this. If Teemursu were mafia, there's no reason he'd have to put pressure on Token right now when MysteryMeat had turned up town, since he shot him later that night. It doesn't really seem like a mafia thing to do, to me. So...a little conflicted about Teemursu now. I still think he might be mafia, just not as much as before. Templar - Town + Show Spoiler +
He got jailed. He's been posting a ton. He's been pretty logical in all of his posts. He tried to help Meat out when he was being pressured. And he likes my blogs. All townie behavior if you ask me.
Honestly, unless a vigi claims and says that he didn't shoot Token, I think you're town.
I know I have some people listed as scum, that, if they happened to be scum, would eliminate some of my others as scum. The 2 people I want to pay most attention to right now are Nydus and Teemursu actually, maybe meatpudding too. These two conflict with each other though, and both conflict with meatpudding, but I think one of the two is scum. Goddamn, that took way too long to write. "Scum lean" "Town lean" sounds so passive. If someone wants some homework go look at this guys previous newbie game he was town in. I feel like if you're going to call someone mafia you should say scum. The whole "lean" thing sounds like you don't want to make enemies or leaving your options open. (Just to clarify I didn't read your spoilers yet as I'm not caught up so the content might change how I feel but first impression gets a big scummy MEH) This is one of the reasons why I have been reading him as "trying hard to sound towny". IMHO, He's continued the same kind of way of talking by switching on the MM1 bandwagon by calling MeatPudding a misguided townie, while MeatPudding has in my opinion had even more bad & inconsistent logic. It's Teemursu's incredible nitpickyness that I find to be a trait of scum. I will say that my early read on Teemursu was based on some of his word choice, too though. So call me a hypocrite if you must or feel free to point out the contradiction. That's just how I feel. Ok, you know what. I'm just sick of writing so much and reading through filters. I have no idea how accurate my reads are and it sucks to know that all this could very likely end up untrue, which I'm sure it might be. Fuck it, I'm voting for JabberZerg. I can't tell who to vote for anymore and she's been flying under the radar for too long now. ##Vote: JabberZergBuahahahahaha!!!! sdea fgsdafn jd still not a girl Is that really important? How about you focus on the issue? ##Unvote
##Vote: jabberwockzergOut of time but after this next WCS series I'll write something up on Epishade, who's acting sort of strangely, and Nydus, who is… improving a bit maybe? Not sure… I've been noncommittal and shitty and lurky Can't seem to focus on this game as much as I should be. wouldn't fault anyone for voting me BUT there is so little information to be gained from my flip that it will be more useful to leave me kicking around for at least another day and see what happens from there I'll try harder, stop daydrinking, etc.
Please start now.
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On June 26 2014 10:12 mtamburini wrote:
Hi I'm checking in. Haven't read anything. Looking at the player list teemu should be lynched or if there is a vigi they should shoot him. I will filter dive the person I replaced when I get home I'm on the bus coming home from school internet isn't very good.
Lynch teemu though seriously it's always pro town.
How does it make you feel teemu that I haven't read anything and I already know your scum?
I would get on reading that thread ASAP, you have 3 hours to vote.
Also lol at the bolded part, I wouldn't quite assume that yet with so little time, so I hope you're joking there.
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On June 26 2014 10:18 mtamburini wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2014 10:16 The_Templar wrote:On June 26 2014 10:12 mtamburini wrote:
Hi I'm checking in. Haven't read anything. Looking at the player list teemu should be lynched or if there is a vigi they should shoot him. I will filter dive the person I replaced when I get home I'm on the bus coming home from school internet isn't very good.
Lynch teemu though seriously it's always pro town.
How does it make you feel teemu that I haven't read anything and I already know your scum? I would get on reading that thread ASAP, you have 3 hours to vote. Also lol at the bolded part, I wouldn't quite assume that yet with so little time, so I hope you're joking there. BROOOOOBER is that youuuu!
Ummm… what? O.o
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On June 26 2014 10:31 mtamburini wrote:
How much time left I'm driving now
2 hours 17 minutes
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On June 26 2014 10:33 mtamburini wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2014 10:31 The_Templar wrote:On June 26 2014 10:18 mtamburini wrote:On June 26 2014 10:16 The_Templar wrote:On June 26 2014 10:12 mtamburini wrote:
Hi I'm checking in. Haven't read anything. Looking at the player list teemu should be lynched or if there is a vigi they should shoot him. I will filter dive the person I replaced when I get home I'm on the bus coming home from school internet isn't very good.
Lynch teemu though seriously it's always pro town.
How does it make you feel teemu that I haven't read anything and I already know your scum? I would get on reading that thread ASAP, you have 3 hours to vote. Also lol at the bolded part, I wouldn't quite assume that yet with so little time, so I hope you're joking there. BROOOOOBER is that youuuu! Ummm… what? O.o I guess you're not the person I thought you were......
Lol, probably not
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Are you asking Nydus what his reads on Teemu, Banks (?), Simba (?) and me (??) are?
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On June 26 2014 10:55 mtamburini wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2014 10:50 The_Templar wrote:
Are you asking Nydus what his reads on Teemu, Banks (?), Simba (?) and me (??) are? Yes
Who are banks and simba?
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On June 26 2014 11:23 mtamburini wrote:
You edited a post you need to die.
Teemu edited a post too
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On June 26 2014 11:24 The_Templar wrote:Teemu edited a post too
(it was totally on accident apparently)
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On June 26 2014 11:25 mtamburini wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2014 11:24 The_Templar wrote:On June 26 2014 11:23 mtamburini wrote:
You edited a post you need to die. Teemu edited a post too SERIOUSLY!!!!!!!!!!! Shoot him in the night then if there is a vigi
This… is a bit of an over-reaction. >.>
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On June 26 2014 11:55 Tehpoofter wrote:
Someone make a counter wagon. We need more than just 1 wagon going on. What happened to meatpudding? I can't catch up reading this fast. Two wagons > 1
The two wagons right now are jabber and nydus
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I don't like mtamburini, but it's possible that he's trying to pack a whole day into 3 hours, and, as a result, being way too aggressive. I was also starting to get a town read on Scott, who mtam replaced, before he abandoned us, so I want to give mtam a chance.
On June 26 2014 12:07 mtamburini wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2014 12:02 HaruRH wrote:On June 26 2014 11:57 Tehpoofter wrote:
Teemu I think is town tamburini is making me uneasy about this vote
Are your only mafia those who edited posts? Yes, I feel that mtam is wayyyy too aggressive on something that doesn't even concern him. Bugs me out. I want to lynch mtam instead now. You just hate the fact that I jumped into this game so quickly and Im more town than you could ever be. ![[image loading]](http://cdn.yourepeat.com/media/gif/000/289/711/74906df99b7255feacbfee40fe6177f9.gif)
Do this sort of post one more time though, and I'm voting you.
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dammit I meant to spoiler that
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On June 26 2014 12:23 Hobbitus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2014 12:12 HaruRH wrote:On June 26 2014 12:10 mtamburini wrote:On June 26 2014 12:05 NydusHerMain wrote:
My town reads are the people that are up for bandwagons aside from me ._. I'm going to ##Vote: mtamburini because he's actually being visibly scummy For actually getting shit done? Explain why you edited your post. Rules are clear Hey gais they edited their post by accident cos they scum so lets lynch dem Lololol I'm getting shit done Haru, I love you.
Hahahaha, I missed that post, thanks for quoting it
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On June 26 2014 12:26 Hobbitus wrote:
Actually, do we know how many shots the vig gets? I assumed it was multiple...
I believe the host refused to disclose that information. Not positive because it was in a post asking about more pressing information.
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On June 26 2014 12:27 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +Fuck it, I'm voting for JabberZerg. I can't tell who to vote for anymore and she's been flying under the radar for too long now.
##Vote: JabberZerg
Buahahahahaha!!!! sdea fgsdafn jd ## Vote: Epishade10 pages in 10 minutes... Let's do this.
Epishade is getting a bit erratic, but I'm not sure if this is an anomaly or a pattern. I want to give him one more day to see where he goes.
Also, why the need to spam?
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On June 26 2014 12:29 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2014 10:12 mtamburini wrote:
Hi I'm checking in. Haven't read anything. Looking at the player list teemu should be lynched or if there is a vigi they should shoot him. I will filter dive the person I replaced when I get home I'm on the bus coming home from school internet isn't very good.
Lynch teemu though seriously it's always pro town.
How does it make you feel teemu that I haven't read anything and I already know your scum? Makes me go extremely overdefensive and OMGUS you.
…which is exactly what he wants /conspiracytheory
I'm really tired, should probably go to bed but I want to see if the host posts the flip a bit early so I can sleep on it (@mtam, I know you're going to ask, my internet is shut off automatically at midnight EDT, or in 29 minutes).
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On June 26 2014 12:45 Teemursu wrote:
I have a feeling that jabber might get modkilled. Templar and Bear maybe put your votes somewhere else? Idk.
I don't know who else I'd vote for, I haven't kept up very well and I'm off in 13ish minutes.
I'm only sticking around just in case something spectacular happens, like mtam posts more dancing ladies
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On June 26 2014 12:47 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2014 12:29 Amiko wrote:Vote Count – Day 2 meatpudding (1): Teemursu, Hobbitus, The_Templar, GlowingBearNydusHerMain (3): Tehpoofter, Teemursu, TheKingOfTheCats, TheKingOfTheCats, mtamburini GlowingBear (0): NydusHerMainTeemursu (2): Meatpudding, Epishade, Epishade Epishade (1): HaruRH, Teemursu HaruRH (0): GlowingBearJabberwockzerg (2): Epishade, The_Templar, TheKingOfTheCats, GlowingBear mtamburini (2): HaruRH, NydusHerMain Not voting (1): Jabberwockzerg
Currently, NydusHerMain is set to be lynched with 3 votes.
As a reminder for resolving ties - a player becomes the new lynch target when that player has more votes than anyone else. (The first player to get the majority will become the new vote target)
Please contact the mods if the vote count is incorrect. Thank you!
Day 2 will end in (04:00 GMT (+00:00)). When did MeatPudding change his vote from Epishade to me?
here
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On June 26 2014 12:48 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2014 12:47 Teemursu wrote:On June 26 2014 12:29 Amiko wrote:Vote Count – Day 2 meatpudding (1): Teemursu, Hobbitus, The_Templar, GlowingBearNydusHerMain (3): Tehpoofter, Teemursu, TheKingOfTheCats, TheKingOfTheCats, mtamburini GlowingBear (0): NydusHerMainTeemursu (2): Meatpudding, Epishade, Epishade Epishade (1): HaruRH, Teemursu HaruRH (0): GlowingBearJabberwockzerg (2): Epishade, The_Templar, TheKingOfTheCats, GlowingBear mtamburini (2): HaruRH, NydusHerMain Not voting (1): Jabberwockzerg
Currently, NydusHerMain is set to be lynched with 3 votes.
As a reminder for resolving ties - a player becomes the new lynch target when that player has more votes than anyone else. (The first player to get the majority will become the new vote target)
Please contact the mods if the vote count is incorrect. Thank you!
Day 2 will end in (04:00 GMT (+00:00)). When did MeatPudding change his vote from Epishade to me? here
Edit: WOOOOOW I misread that.
Don't think he did.
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On June 26 2014 12:51 Teemursu wrote:
So once the mod clears the mistake, Nydus and Epishade will be the main wagons with 3 votes.
I would right now rather lynch Epi over Nydus.
Why?
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Jabber could post here in the next 5 minutes, he's been on mostly around this time.
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On June 26 2014 12:55 The_Templar wrote:
Jabber could post here in the next 5 minutes, he's been on mostly around this time.
(not likely though), but when he doesn't I have no clue where to place my vote.
(hit post too soon)
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I woke up
Geez guys, you've been bitch slapping each other for the last 9 hours >.>
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On June 27 2014 01:11 mtamburini wrote:
Question for you. Do you think it's weird that were the only ones participating in night talk?
Yeah that's sort of weird. I didn't have anything to say except what I said when I woke up :\
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On June 27 2014 01:20 mtamburini wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 01:13 The_Templar wrote:On June 27 2014 01:11 mtamburini wrote:
Question for you. Do you think it's weird that were the only ones participating in night talk? Yeah that's sort of weird. I didn't have anything to say except what I said when I woke up :\ Well what do you think of our 12 hour argument Are we both town or am I just town and he's mafia.
You thought that you two slapping each other around for 12 hours would have a conclusion? >.>
Seriously though, I'll go back and read it, just give me a minute.
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Back, reading through thread.
On June 27 2014 05:06 mtamburini wrote:
So temp and glowing bear. Why did you both change your votes to jabber?
…I made it pretty clear and meatpudding was actually doing something at that point.
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On June 27 2014 06:15 mtamburini wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 06:09 GlowingBear wrote:On June 27 2014 06:03 mtamburini wrote:On June 27 2014 05:58 GlowingBear wrote:On June 27 2014 05:49 mtamburini wrote:
Do you think there was a better chance of jabber getting lynched over your original target meatpudd? Yes. You can see that Nydus was lynched with 3 votes. Jabb got 2. I think the the only reason why jabb wasn't killed was because of this feeling that he would be modkilled anyway, so nobody would change their votes. As my second target would be Nydus, it was ok to me. But I thought on the possibility that he could come and vote on the last moment. He wasn't modkilled after all... Sorry if I missed it in earlier post but I know you said you switched because he was lurking but do you think meat was still scum at that time or did he become town. And what's your current read on meat now I still believe he is scum because of his contradictions and his passivity (? Is this a word?), but at the moment I considered he could be just a bad town and that we were in a Town VS Town scenario in which mafia was comfortably sitting and watching us killing ourselves. I thought that way after realising our scumreads on Tolkien and MysteryMeat1 were based mostly on contradictions and that they flipped green So looking back at the voting records of day 2 there were four votes on meat then someone unvoted and then you unvoted when there were 3 left to go onto someone who has the potential to be mod killed. His role is going to get revealed when he is modkilled so why not vote elsewhere you think scum is?
Why were you so sure he would be modkilled? We already had a modkill and used our replacements, so the hosts were probably looking for replacements already, no…?
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On June 27 2014 07:55 mtamburini wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 07:38 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 27 2014 06:37 mtamburini wrote:On June 27 2014 06:26 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 27 2014 06:24 mtamburini wrote:
Tehpoofter are you evaluating my play based on this game, previous tl games together, or video mafia ? I would use all three with a priority of 1) This game 2) previous game on tl and then 3) video. You've been town in all the TL games I've played with you correct? Yes and I still am nothings changed. Well except me going super aggro when I hopped in here. You've only seen me do that in video mafia. Usually your reasons are good. I gotta admit that editing post thing seemed pretty dumb. Also your predecessors rage quit was silly. I need to fully catchup before I give a full read on you though. I really really really dont understand the need for editing a post if your town. Its a personal thing. Im not sure how I would be feeling about Nydus now if I choose to go after Teemu first. Hes participating a lot and giving me something to read him. Going into tomorrow I think the Templar needs to be looked at as well as the people who voted on Teemu. Templar hasnt given me an explanation on his vote on Jabber yet so I want to hear his reasoning, and well the people who voted on the person who I think is the most town right now for obvious reasons (I think he is town). More specifically I would like to know what they thought of Teemu when they voted and why the voted on him over anyone else.
are you fucking kidding me?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/450895-newbie-mini-mafia-lvi?page=66#1315
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On June 27 2014 09:00 mtamburini wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 08:54 The_Templar wrote:On June 27 2014 07:55 mtamburini wrote:On June 27 2014 07:38 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 27 2014 06:37 mtamburini wrote:On June 27 2014 06:26 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 27 2014 06:24 mtamburini wrote:
Tehpoofter are you evaluating my play based on this game, previous tl games together, or video mafia ? I would use all three with a priority of 1) This game 2) previous game on tl and then 3) video. You've been town in all the TL games I've played with you correct? Yes and I still am nothings changed. Well except me going super aggro when I hopped in here. You've only seen me do that in video mafia. Usually your reasons are good. I gotta admit that editing post thing seemed pretty dumb. Also your predecessors rage quit was silly. I need to fully catchup before I give a full read on you though. I really really really dont understand the need for editing a post if your town. Its a personal thing. Im not sure how I would be feeling about Nydus now if I choose to go after Teemu first. Hes participating a lot and giving me something to read him. Going into tomorrow I think the Templar needs to be looked at as well as the people who voted on Teemu. Templar hasnt given me an explanation on his vote on Jabber yet so I want to hear his reasoning, and well the people who voted on the person who I think is the most town right now for obvious reasons (I think he is town). More specifically I would like to know what they thought of Teemu when they voted and why the voted on him over anyone else. are you fucking kidding me? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/450895-newbie-mini-mafia-lvi?page=66#1315 I wasnt in the thread at that point in the game calm your tits.
Sorry, sorry, didn't mean to come off as mean, but you really should have read at least the past few pages to catch up on what was going on, you've had nearly 24 hours now… >.>
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On June 27 2014 09:03 mtamburini wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 08:42 GlowingBear wrote:On June 27 2014 08:31 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 27 2014 08:17 GlowingBear wrote:On June 27 2014 07:49 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 27 2014 07:46 GlowingBear wrote:On June 27 2014 07:38 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 27 2014 07:00 GlowingBear wrote:On June 27 2014 06:54 mtamburini wrote:On June 27 2014 06:43 GlowingBear wrote:
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I have no problem answering again, I'm just stating that I've already answered somewhere But the vote was so close why not ensure his lynch? Anyone who voted for him could've flipped to someone else with 2 votes and neither of the people on your scum list would've died. I guess you have a point here. It never crossed my mind. But a lynch on Epishade wouldn't bother me, I have a slight scumread on him. I'm actually going to pressure epi and meat d3. Why not pressure them now? Not useful while at night, gotta use some voting. More than that, I'm waiting night consequences to gather enough information to start pressuring. I'd better try to understand the reasons behind the mislynch and filter dive people first and I'm using night for that Fair enough night can be a good time to talk though about things. I am still down to talk. Do you think there was a mafia on the vote for Nydus? If so Whom? Now that you've asked and I had to put thought on this particular question, I find my reads are weak. If I stay consistent on my reads, meatpudding and Epishade went on a mafia vote on Teemu, and considering there are 4 mafia, two of Nydus voters are scum. If I consider that there are 4 mafia in the game and that you may be town, mtamburini and thekingofcolombia are scum. What do you think of this? I think that the likelyhood of all the mafia being on 2 seperate votes to be unlikely. I imagine if they know mislynches are a bout they spread. I need to read EoD though stupid work is busy so I'm not able to just chill out and read for like an hour or 2 I need. This would mean some town reads of mine would be scums. Could you filter dive Hobbitus when you've got the time? I like your opinions. I am on the same wave length here, no1 voted on him yesterday so Im assuming everyone was reading him as town? I dont really remember any memorable things from him tbh to make him stand out other than trying to break up the argument me and Haru were having.
I wasn't really there a lot of the day but he's been a nondescript town read for me all game.
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On June 27 2014 09:10 mtamburini wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 09:05 The_Templar wrote:On June 27 2014 09:03 mtamburini wrote:On June 27 2014 08:42 GlowingBear wrote:On June 27 2014 08:31 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 27 2014 08:17 GlowingBear wrote:On June 27 2014 07:49 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 27 2014 07:46 GlowingBear wrote:On June 27 2014 07:38 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 27 2014 07:00 GlowingBear wrote:
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I guess you have a point here. It never crossed my mind. But a lynch on Epishade wouldn't bother me, I have a slight scumread on him. I'm actually going to pressure epi and meat d3. Why not pressure them now? Not useful while at night, gotta use some voting. More than that, I'm waiting night consequences to gather enough information to start pressuring. I'd better try to understand the reasons behind the mislynch and filter dive people first and I'm using night for that Fair enough night can be a good time to talk though about things. I am still down to talk. Do you think there was a mafia on the vote for Nydus? If so Whom? Now that you've asked and I had to put thought on this particular question, I find my reads are weak. If I stay consistent on my reads, meatpudding and Epishade went on a mafia vote on Teemu, and considering there are 4 mafia, two of Nydus voters are scum. If I consider that there are 4 mafia in the game and that you may be town, mtamburini and thekingofcolombia are scum. What do you think of this? I think that the likelyhood of all the mafia being on 2 seperate votes to be unlikely. I imagine if they know mislynches are a bout they spread. I need to read EoD though stupid work is busy so I'm not able to just chill out and read for like an hour or 2 I need. This would mean some town reads of mine would be scums. Could you filter dive Hobbitus when you've got the time? I like your opinions. I am on the same wave length here, no1 voted on him yesterday so Im assuming everyone was reading him as town? I dont really remember any memorable things from him tbh to make him stand out other than trying to break up the argument me and Haru were having. I wasn't really there a lot of the day but he's been a nondescript town read for me all game. He also wasnt voted on day 1
Yeah… but what does it mean?
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On June 27 2014 10:28 Hobbitus wrote:
Well something he did during the MM/mp lynch fight struck me as scummy but I put it in the back of my mind bc I was reading him as super town at the time. Let me find the posts.
But not only that, after everyone initially townread him, he got really quiet for a while. His number of posts is decent, but... he really doesn't say too much that isn't either an obvious defense (like defending me when I clearly said one thing and Haru was pushing as another) or posts to appease anyone who says anything negative about him. Now obviously town doesn't want to be seen as scum but the WAY he does it shouts "I want no confrontation."
Most of my style is "I want no confrontation". I'm terrible at arguing in general, so I try to push people without getting into a huge argument so that I can actually keep my head in the game. I don't see why this is a huge problem.
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On June 27 2014 10:54 Hobbitus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 10:38 The_Templar wrote:On June 27 2014 10:28 Hobbitus wrote:
Well something he did during the MM/mp lynch fight struck me as scummy but I put it in the back of my mind bc I was reading him as super town at the time. Let me find the posts.
But not only that, after everyone initially townread him, he got really quiet for a while. His number of posts is decent, but... he really doesn't say too much that isn't either an obvious defense (like defending me when I clearly said one thing and Haru was pushing as another) or posts to appease anyone who says anything negative about him. Now obviously town doesn't want to be seen as scum but the WAY he does it shouts "I want no confrontation." Most of my style is "I want no confrontation". I'm terrible at arguing in general, so I try to push people without getting into a huge argument so that I can actually keep my head in the game. I don't see why this is a huge problem. Well I can see you not wanting to get in a stupid tamburini/haru argument, but the way you react when you are pushed isn't conducive to reading YOU at all.
What exactly do you mean by that?
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On June 27 2014 10:50 Hobbitus wrote:So he originally voted on mp with a scum read on him, and a "slight town" read on MM. Then, after MM was being weird MM: Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 10:57 The_Templar wrote:
Wow, is MysteryMeat not defending himself at all right now? Wtf? He even told Scott to fight to the end if he was town... I don't like this. MM defending or not defending himself doesn't mean anything, neither mafia nor town want to be lynched. And yet that's somehow enough to get him to change his vote to MM. And the bit about Scott... I dunno, that sounds like a very contrived argument to me. MM said scott should keep fighting to the end so town would win, not that fighting to the end MADE scott town, I thought that was fairly obvious. Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 11:34 The_Templar wrote:On June 23 2014 11:18 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
Templar also declares meatPudding as scum, and says im slightly town. nothing else had been posted by either of us, and he's willing to vote on me. Says there is no way i could be town here and then votes on me. I'd say at least one of the mafia are going to be between tolkien,cats,templar. If we are lucky then two of them would be there. They have been pushing on different people, but never pushed on each other. My vote was a knee-jerk reaction to your actions initially contradicting your post about scott and was also a pressure post, shifting the majority from pudding back to you. I didn't mean to say that you could not possibly be town, but not responding for so long is something a town just wouldn't do in normal conditions. You didn't react, now you have, and since your read makes sense now, I'm switching back to the other meat. This is the kind of non confrontational thing I'm talking about. At this point in the day, it was unclear which meat was going to get lynched, so if templar were scum he wouldn't want to piss off either of them and risk a case on him D2. Read his filter, he then goes through an awkward series of editing posts trying to reconcile his town read on MM with voting him Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 11:38 The_Templar wrote:On June 23 2014 11:38 The_Templar wrote:
Also, my general opinion of mysterymeat hadn't changed from my initial post where I said he was slightly town, but I over-reacted to his complete and total lack of defense (I also thought he had given up). edit: Yeah I said he couldn't be town. That was wrong of me, I should have said he couldn't be town since he wasn't defending at all, but he clearly is now. So this is all a bit weird, and as soon as I say something to him about it, HE CHANGES HIS VOTE BACK TO MM. Read the entire quote below: Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 12:06 The_Templar wrote:On June 23 2014 12:04 The_Templar wrote:On June 23 2014 11:59 Hobbitus wrote:Templar, this King:
As its been pointed out by a few people, of my glaring inconsitancy by condeming cats for lynching regardless of alignment. I also don't like how tolkien said it. Missed the sentence in his post where he said it. Unlike teemu and nydus i get my reads from more of a general flow of the game. is enough for you to change your mind about MM? Despite Tolkien's beautiful argument? MysteryMeat's contribution is him trying to pose as normal town when he hasn't been posting much. My (limited) experience with lurker scum is that they hide until the second half of Day 1 before posting a "reads" list, and giving a vote in the hopes it'll let them off the hook for any suspicion, and voting for a possible bandwagon based on the general feelings in the thread. Let's be real here, NO ONE in this thread thought I was scum until GlowingBear (I believe Haru had already removed his vote at the time), so he figured it'd be best to continue the trend. Cats a safe vote. A bandwagon on meatpudding, but Cats is under suspicion so his vote won't be heavily scruitinized D2 if meatpudding turns up green.
It's just impossible for him not to even MENTION that I pushed for a lynch on a player for being deadweight and being FINE with a mislynch if that happens, if that's why he's so bent on voting Cats. It's just ridiculously impossible, like holy shit. I never changed my general opinion of MysteryMeat. However, he's sort of looking frantic at this point, so I'm considering changing my vote back. I don't like changing my vote back and forth so I'm waiting until a conclusion is being reached. On June 23 2014 12:00 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 23 2014 11:47 The_Templar wrote:On June 23 2014 11:27 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 23 2014 11:12 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
Just from rereading the thread over my town reads would be
Scott: He votes on himself because he feels that the game isn't for him. Then thanks me for telling him to keep fighting if he was town. If Scott was mafia, I doubt he would be feeling alone, as he would have a mafia qt to post in and ask for advice. He hasn't contributed a whole lot but i really think he is town.
King:
As its been pointed out by a few people, of my glaring inconsitancy by condeming cats for lynching regardless of alignment. I also don't like how tolkien said it. Missed the sentence in his post where he said it. Unlike teemu and nydus i get my reads from more of a general flow of the game.
The_Templar:
Says scumhunting isn't essential day 1, doesn't like scott, and is willing to lynch him because he has no scum read.
Like the reason i don't like CATS, Tolkien, is because they seem very ready to lynch people, and throwing scum on people to sway town into voting on them. (this isn't OMGUS) but teemu on the other hand votes on people to get reactions and reads. I think there is a very clear distinction. I usually don't pay too much attention, but in this case imo the distinction is pretty clear.
Teemu: I really like teemu, he's pushing for information, and getting reads. He thinks pudding is scum, which i think pudding could be town.
Nydus: Hasn't posted a ton recently but i think he's pretty town. The way i distinguish between his town and mafia play is how objective he is to the game. When he's town his reads are more selfish and when he's mafia his reads are really objective.
Tolkien: i honestly don't like, once again not for OMGUS, but he wants to lynch lurkers, which i don't agree with. If they keep on lurking they could get modkilled. He also is telling blue roles how to play the game. There is more than one way to play mafia, and i think he's just fishing for roles to kill in the night honestly. I also don't like the fact that when people talked about my inconsistency on cat's and tolkien. No one really mentioned the fact that there could be a relationship between tolkien and I. IMO if mafia are going to go for an inconsitancy like that it happens for a reason.
HARUH: Leaning pretty town. I like his reads early on in the game.
Epishade: I don't know atm. I get this odd feeling like he's playing slightly different than he was the last time i played with him when he was town. Don't know what this really means, but could potentially expand on this on d2 if im alive.
in the mafia fence pile
jabber
glowingbear (first post striked me as really odd)
pudding (said he could be town, but i think teemu is pretty town and teemu is pretty good at finding mafia) Why are me and Tolkien on your townpile if you don't like either of us?Where was Tolkien telling blue roles how to play the game and how is that scummy? What is this possible relationship between you and Tolkien? Can you elaborate on why the people in your mafia pile are scummy? I'm going to help meat a bit and answer that relationship question. This post was the initial lynch post, where tolkien did something similar to what I did later (although I've retracted mine in favor of the still very scummy meatpudding) I'm sorry but i really can't see what you're getting at. How does that post help explain a relationship between MM and Tolkien? It got the town riled up against MM for the most part. It also caused my vote to change to MM to pressure him, which made him come out and start defending himself. Now MM is defending himself from Tolkien among other people. This thread has gotten really, really weird. To clarify: I am mentally voting for MM at this point, and if nothing has changed in the next 40 or so minutes, I'll unvote meatpudding. But I don't want to spam the vote list. He's so pliant. It just seems super scummy to me. It also makes me think that both meats are actually town, and either wagon would have resulted in a mislynch D1.
Your first point is silly. At that point, I was realizing that MysteryMeat had been completely unresponsive. At that point I started filter-diving him and found the post about scott, which you are making into much more of a deal than it actually is.
Before I switched from MysteryMeat to meatpudding, I had no way to figure out which of the meats was more likely to be scum, so I pressured MysteryMeat, who was actually starting to show up and post not-very-amazing stuff at that point. He did something- anything useful at all was what I was looking for!- and read his most likely scum, so I decided he could be useful to the town later on if he was town, and I switched back to meatpudding. Yes, this is not the best reason in the world.
In addition, I had a strong town read on Lord Tolkien for most of the day and sided with him when I voted for MysteryMeat, yes a bit irrationally, but I wasn't entirely sure about anything at that point. In addition to the pressure capability it had on Meat, it was a more useful vote than meatpudding, which was just sitting there on a very sudden wagon (that, since then, has not really developed).
Once he starts throwing logic out of the window, I realize that he might not be useful in any pressured scenario (this is the end of the first day and he's already going crazy?) and mentally put my vote back onto him in case his arguments continued to deteriorate, which they did.
I edit a lot of my posts outside mafia btw, generally to clear up a point that I didn't explain well. This is a piece of bad practice in general for me. It's also why I'm not good at arguing.
And I had was already mentally voting for MM where you say I immediately agreed with you. I don't post all of my thoughts in real-time. I generally take time to express my thoughts, sorry. My thoughts changed quite a bit because MysteryMeat's post pattern changed quite a bit. Around this time, he refused to give a read despite being asked about something that could be considered controversial, so I decided I would sit and wait to see if he was going to go over the edge or if he was about to explain why he didn't want to explain. "Deal with it" is not a good explanation.
Finally, I'm sorry that I am not incredibly intransigent like you seem to want me to be. Simply command it and I will be as unbending and inflexible as possible, sticking to my initial lynch targets until the end of time and refusing to consider other points of view that weren't initially obvious, just so that I can look town to you.
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On June 27 2014 11:40 Hobbitus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 10:59 The_Templar wrote:On June 27 2014 10:54 Hobbitus wrote:On June 27 2014 10:38 The_Templar wrote:On June 27 2014 10:28 Hobbitus wrote:
Well something he did during the MM/mp lynch fight struck me as scummy but I put it in the back of my mind bc I was reading him as super town at the time. Let me find the posts.
But not only that, after everyone initially townread him, he got really quiet for a while. His number of posts is decent, but... he really doesn't say too much that isn't either an obvious defense (like defending me when I clearly said one thing and Haru was pushing as another) or posts to appease anyone who says anything negative about him. Now obviously town doesn't want to be seen as scum but the WAY he does it shouts "I want no confrontation." Most of my style is "I want no confrontation". I'm terrible at arguing in general, so I try to push people without getting into a huge argument so that I can actually keep my head in the game. I don't see why this is a huge problem. Well I can see you not wanting to get in a stupid tamburini/haru argument, but the way you react when you are pushed isn't conducive to reading YOU at all. What exactly do you mean by that? I mean if someone pushes on you, you either change your action, backpedal, or say "oh, yeah, you're right." In this game I've seen you push people with a reasonable amount of aggression so I find it hard to believe you wouldn't stand up for your opinions if you were town.
Do you think I would do something scummy such as that if I was good at arguing my opinions, considering I've shown I have enough of a spine to form my own and use them?
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On June 27 2014 11:56 Hobbitus wrote:Show nested quote +
Your first point is silly. At that point, I was realizing that MysteryMeat had been completely unresponsive. At that point I started filter-diving him and found the post about scott, which you are making into much more of a deal than it actually is. Show nested quote + My vote was a knee-jerk reaction to your actions initially contradicting your post about scott and was also a pressure post, shifting the majority from pudding back to you. How am I making too big a deal out of it when half the reason you voted him was bc of the scott post, which was quite obviously not what MM meant? Show nested quote + I edit a lot of my posts outside mafia btw, generally to clear up a point that I didn't explain well. This is a piece of bad practice in general for me. It's also why I'm not good at arguing. Show nested quote + I don't post all of my thoughts in real-time. I generally take time to express my thoughts, sorry. If you take so much time carefully considering your posts, why do you have to re-explain them after they are posted? And, hun, don't be pouty that I'm asking you questions. You can change your mind as much as you want; as Nydus said, it's good to constantly re-evaluate your reads. The issue is that you change your mind when other people pressure you to.
I didn't initially vote him primarily because of the MM/scott post. I voted him because he didn't post at all despite being the main focus of the town at the time, which happened to be directly related to the scott post.
When I say stuff, I express my thoughts, hit post (I do not carefully consider my posts) and then I usually realize that I didn't clarify something, so I go back and check it.
Sorry for being hostile. This is the first time in a forum game that I've been pressured (never happened in TL+ game) so I lashed out a bit more than I intended.
I don't like being asked questions about my thoughts about other people, but I'm ok with being asked questions about myself. It just caught me off-guard.
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On June 27 2014 11:58 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 11:43 GlowingBear wrote:
Can you please update your list you've sent to tehpoofter?
Or only post your top town and top scum reads ATM.
Teemursu
meatpudding
I'm filter diving a lot and it is exhausting. Jesus. Please do as I say before night ends, please
My list hasn't changed a whole lot (besides nydus being removed). Mtam is obviously further down because he's been doing a lot of questionable stuff.
More town on top, more scum on bottom (this applies to everyone on my list)
The_Templar
KOTC
Hobbitus
Tehpoofter*
Epishade*
GlowingBear, Haru*
Teemu*
mtamburini
Meatpudding*
Jabberwockzerg
Tehpoofter: Seems to be generally pro-town, is organized. Want to see more out of him before I make a real decision about him. Haven't read his filter very thoroughly so I might be misreading this one.
Epishade: He's where he was previously because I haven't read his filter recently.
Haru: His argument with mtam is weird. Not sure how to interpret it.
Teemu: He's where he was previously because I haven't read his filter recently.
Meatpudding: He's where he was previously because I haven't read his filter recently, except Jabber has been more scummy recently.
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I'm off to bed.
Hobbitus I think you're a little fast to straight-up call me scum considering you only started considering it a few hours ago. Although that may just be because you didn't specify how scum/town anyone was (which is what is really being asked for, so please clarify)
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Beginning wake-up processes…
Nice wagon between you two btw, reading the rest of the posts
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On June 27 2014 21:56 The_Templar wrote:
Beginning wake-up processes…
Nice wagon between you two btw, reading the rest of the posts
(hobbitus + glowing)
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On June 27 2014 15:01 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 14:03 mtamburini wrote:
All vts are dying did we really get stuck with no roles this game?
Will do vote analysis tomorrow. Going to bed now super tired was modding a Video Game. So bunch of dead Vt's Cop with red check out today. If you have two green checks alive probably out otherwise use your own judgement. Vigi might consider claiming. Medic don't claim. I might be all of these roles or none.
There's still no medic.
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On June 27 2014 15:29 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 10:28 Hobbitus wrote:
Well something he did during the MM/mp lynch fight struck me as scummy but I put it in the back of my mind bc I was reading him as super town at the time. Let me find the posts.
But not only that, after everyone initially townread him, he got really quiet for a while. His number of posts is decent, but... he really doesn't say too much that isn't either an obvious defense (like defending me when I clearly said one thing and Haru was pushing as another) or posts to appease anyone who says anything negative about him. Now obviously town doesn't want to be seen as scum but the WAY he does it shouts "I want no confrontation." I'm ok with hobbitus's arguments but this weird. So you mean that you scumread him during the mm/meatpudding lynch d1, but gave him a townread?? Are you trying to jump ship so that you won't be held accountable for voting a strong townread?
One outlier does not a scum read make, until you feel like it.
I'm not sure why Hobbitus and GlowingBear wait until day 3 to jump on someone and stick on him, and I'm still not sure why that someone is me…
I'm finding some interesting patterns in your posts Hobbitus. Currently reading into them.
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On June 27 2014 22:22 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 21:56 The_Templar wrote:
Beginning wake-up processes…
Nice wagon between you two btw, reading the rest of the posts So what do you have to defend yourself? Please don't run away from defense like jabber/scott/nydus.
I'm not running away. That would be stupid.
However, it's unfortunate for me that I'm being pushed for stuff I ALWAYS do, regardless of alignment. My opinion is variable so that I can see issues from other people's point of view, and because I can't ever reliably defend an entrenched position that I have.
Now, scum reading me because I look too consistent is very, very strange, considering the general flow of this game has been lynching because of inconsistency. I know they ended up being vanilla town, but I think a lot of us can agree that they looked scummy, so why does the opposite look scummy as well?
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On June 27 2014 22:29 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 21:56 The_Templar wrote:
Beginning wake-up processes…
Nice wagon between you two btw, reading the rest of the posts I'm not starting a wagon, in starting a crusade. I and Hobbitus had similar behaviours. It means nothing, only a slight suggestion we have the same alignment. I invite everyone to read through my last night post and judge if I don't have fair reasoning.
"Crusade"? Seriously…?
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On June 27 2014 22:45 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 22:38 The_Templar wrote:On June 27 2014 22:29 GlowingBear wrote:On June 27 2014 21:56 The_Templar wrote:
Beginning wake-up processes…
Nice wagon between you two btw, reading the rest of the posts I'm not starting a wagon, in starting a crusade. I and Hobbitus had similar behaviours. It means nothing, only a slight suggestion we have the same alignment. I invite everyone to read through my last night post and judge if I don't have fair reasoning. "Crusade"? Seriously…? Pun wasn't intended :/
Pun?…
Templar… oh what the hell -.-
I have office hours from now to two hours later and from 4 hours from now to 6, so I'll be unavailable during those times. I'll be back in two hours.
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OK, I left 5 minutes early, reading posts that have occurred since I awoke.
On June 27 2014 22:29 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 21:56 The_Templar wrote:
Beginning wake-up processes…
Nice wagon between you two btw, reading the rest of the posts I'm not starting a wagon, in starting a crusade. I and Hobbitus had similar behaviours. It means nothing, only a slight suggestion we have the same alignment.I invite everyone to read through my last night post and judge if I don't have fair reasoning.
So why do you suspect him as scum?
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On June 27 2014 23:09 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2014 10:56 GlowingBear wrote:On June 26 2014 10:44 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 26 2014 10:09 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 26 2014 09:33 jabberwockzerg wrote:On June 26 2014 09:18 The_Templar wrote:K, wrote a case in about 7 minutes on jabberzerg. Looking at his very thin filter, I now have a very scummy read on him. On June 23 2014 04:01 jabberwockzerg wrote:
Hey guys, I'm out for most of the day, but I'll try to keep up on my phone, and I'll be home for the last three hours or so to read through all the filters and make my final vote.
I just want to make a quick vote now in case something happens I won't get modkilled.
##Vote: meatpudding This isn't particularly scummy. Not all of us have hours upon hours to post in this thread and he could have been later, and votes aren't permanent. I think his vote on meatpudding was a bit questionable since he seems to have had a town read on him but he was probably following the general trend of the town (I think there were 4 votes at that point, but it could be 3) due to lack of time. That could be a newbie fear of wanting to not look suspicious after being gone for ~6 hours and following town. But, is he really going to play an entire game of mafia without having any time? Please. In the battle of the meats, he takes a neutral stance immediately: On June 23 2014 10:53 jabberwockzerg wrote:On June 23 2014 10:48 meatpudding wrote:
Back. I'e reading the thread now. If you're voting Mystery or me, then I don't really have a choice anyway. But I'll flesh out my reads anyway. I'm very interested in what you have to say, I'm undecided about which meat to vote for, and you posting at all is a good sign And then when I make a point about MM not posting, he jumps on it and says he's suspecting him more. On June 23 2014 11:10 jabberwockzerg wrote:On June 23 2014 10:57 The_Templar wrote:
Wow, is MysteryMeat not defending himself at all right now? Wtf? He even told Scott to fight to the end if he was town... Wow interesting. I'd really love to hear a lot from both the meats, but right now the strongest case is MM And then: On June 23 2014 11:58 jabberwockzerg wrote:On June 23 2014 11:56 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
im not going to share my thought process on one person. deal with it... You might not like how I'm gonna deal with it ##Vote: MysteryMeat1 HAHA so cliche Day 2: On June 25 2014 12:41 jabberwockzerg wrote:
I am not a girl Really? The day is half over and you feel the need to make that your first post of the day? He continues to be as neutral as possible until he can latch onto an opinion. On June 25 2014 13:00 jabberwockzerg wrote:
I think Nydus's GB vote is interesting.
For me it just boils down to whether or not we believe his pressure explanation.
I'm not sure I do, but maybe some video mafia players can explain if that sort of play is common over there. "I don't know, but someone who does stuff that I've never done will figure it out for me". On June 25 2014 13:48 jabberwockzerg wrote:On June 25 2014 13:37 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:
Teemursu, could you lay out your case against meatpudding in full without quoting posts where you've already explained why you're voting for him? As far as i can tell your case against him is mostly based around you not liking his OMGUS of you (although the point you raised about him townreading me and scumreading Haru for basically doing the same thing is interesting) and i really need to hear the case put forward in a different way so i can better understand it. I'd love to see this as well On June 26 2014 08:30 jabberwockzerg wrote:I'm liking this Nydus vote. His random pressure vote just seems a little off to me Not that pressure votes are scummy, but it's better to be clear with the town that that is what your doing, and On June 25 2014 11:28 NydusHerMain wrote:
##Vote: GlowingBear
towny feel isn't good enough for me, clearly mafia "isn't good enough for me, clearly mafia" Basically he's just agreeing with people without offering an opinion at this point. On June 26 2014 09:09 jabberwockzerg wrote:On June 26 2014 09:06 Epishade wrote:@Cats, My recent interactions with him, and his replies to me where he dismisses everything I say as wifom is one thing. I replied back here. On June 26 2014 06:48 Epishade wrote:On June 26 2014 06:23 Teemursu wrote:
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All of this is irrelevant non-content WIFOM.
Are you serious? You actually think all of the townreading that Nydus has been doing to me is irrelevant and wifom? Why even bother thinking about anything in this game then, since surely if thinking about how logical plays work and how you would expect others to act is wifom, then everything else is then, right? We should just not even bother trying to read people, since everything everyone says and does is wifom, right? On June 26 2014 06:23 Teemursu wrote:
I am not accusing both of you as mafia in association nor have my suspicions been conditional on either one of your alignments.
On June 25 2014 20:08 Teemursu wrote:I actually rescind about making a case on MeatPudding. I feel like I've gone against him the strongest, and I've had multiple posts where I've discussed with him/haven't voted on him. If people aren't convinced by my push on him, then I'm going to divert my attention to someone else. We obviously haven't hit on mafia yet and there still are others alive who town would rather lynch. I think Nydus actually might be mafia. His read on Epishade is very weak. I asked him to provide examples on Epishade and give reasoning on those examples (yes, in plural). So far the reason Nydus has called him top town is that he's been "objective" and that Epishade posts a wishy washy list of conditional scum/flip logic that doesn't really mean anything. Only because people have pushed on someone, and that person flips as either alignment, doesn't clear or put people who actively pushed that person under suspicion. I just played a video mafia game where a VT pushed a ML on Day 1 and I caught two of the three mafia by looking at how they supported the person who was the most active pusher. Nydus should be a way better player and recognise to that Epishade's contribution today does in fact NOT put him as "top town" for his "objectiveness". This takes me to a second possible mafia, Epishade.[quote] [quote] Firstly, he wants to vote between two people who have gone the hardest against each other (ignoring MM1 vs. Tolkien and Cats). He says he doesn't have a clear preference, then he says he wants to vote on me. He seems to understand I post a lot, he doesn't refer to anything specific that I've posted about. I took this to mean you were connecting me as potential mafia scum with Nydus, as you said this takes me, referring to your previous argument about Nydus and his views about me. I thought you were drawing a connection between us two as scum by doing that, which is why I assumed you thought we both were scum. Teemursu was on Token's scumlist, which is my personal opinion as a contributing factor to why Token died. I think Teemursu's being incredibly nitpicky against meatpudding too, trying to scumread him for trivial details in meatpudding's posts. That to me is a little scummy. On June 23 2014 22:02 Teemursu wrote:On June 23 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
I was going through KotC's posts when the lynch was taking place. I kind of couldn't make up my mind, even after MM flipped.
I was not happy to vote for MM, because the case against him didn't convince me completely. His own reactions caused a lot of suspicion. though.I can't call Cats or Tolkien scum based on that alone.
Right now my thoughts are
Teemu - potential scum
Tolkien - potential scum
Cats - fence
Templar - town
Odd. It feels like you're hiding something and not wanting to make up your mind about someone.
You say you can't call Tolkien scum based on that, but you agree with me on Tolkien being scum, and you put him into your potential scum list? Just what is this supposed to mean, anyways? You think him not finding something alignment indicative (him saying he can't find Cats or Token scum based on something) means he's hiding something? It's not just against meatpudding though. Here Teemursu agrees with Poof that because I didn't have hard reads on people and labeled them as "townlean" instead of town that that somehow makes me scummy... On June 25 2014 07:28 Teemursu wrote:On June 25 2014 07:21 Tehpoofter wrote:
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(Just to clarify I didn't read your spoilers yet as I'm not caught up so the content might change how I feel but first impression gets a big scummy MEH) This is one of the reasons why I have been reading him as "trying hard to sound towny". IMHO, He's continued the same kind of way of talking by switching on the MM1 bandwagon by calling MeatPudding a misguided townie, while MeatPudding has in my opinion had even more bad & inconsistent logic. It's Teemursu's incredible nitpickyness that I find to be a trait of scum. I will say that my early read on Teemursu was based on some of his word choice, too though. So call me a hypocrite if you must or feel free to point out the contradiction. That's just how I feel. Ok, you know what. I'm just sick of writing so much and reading through filters. I have no idea how accurate my reads are and it sucks to know that all this could very likely end up untrue, which I'm sure it might be. Fuck it, I'm voting for JabberZerg. I can't tell who to vote for anymore and she's been flying under the radar for too long now. ##Vote: JabberZergBuahahahahaha!!!! sdea fgsdafn jd still not a girl Is that really important? How about you focus on the issue? ##Unvote
##Vote: jabberwockzergOut of time but after this next WCS series I'll write something up on Epishade, who's acting sort of strangely, and Nydus, who is… improving a bit maybe? Not sure… I've been noncommittal and shitty and lurky Can't seem to focus on this game as much as I should be. wouldn't fault anyone for voting me BUT there is so little information to be gained from my flip that it will be more useful to leave me kicking around for at least another day and see what happens from there I'll try harder, stop daydrinking, etc. If you're scum i don't care how little information we get from lynching you. Convince us not to vote for you now, don't just say "Yeah guys i'll start doing stuff after flip...promise" You can start by posting what info, according to you, we would get from your flip and then you can answer this: On June 26 2014 09:01 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 26 2014 08:55 jabberwockzerg wrote:On June 26 2014 08:49 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 22 2014 16:20 jabberwockzerg wrote:
yeah, pudding's a townlean
I'd be most comfortable with a tolkien vote, but I want him to read my post about scott and react to it, defend his wagon.
I'll agree with a fence on KittyCats, he's asking questions, but I'm noticing a lack of content. On June 23 2014 10:53 jabberwockzerg wrote:On June 23 2014 10:48 meatpudding wrote:
Back. I'e reading the thread now. If you're voting Mystery or me, then I don't really have a choice anyway. But I'll flesh out my reads anyway. I'm very interested in what you have to say, I'm undecided about which meat to vote for, and you posting at all is a good sign Why was pudding a townlean for you at the time and what led you to change your mind and think that he might be a good lynch at the end of the day? It was his silence after coming under heavy suspicion So him possibly being away from his computer and not being able to respond to the things being said against him immediately was what led you to disregard your townread of him and seriously consider his lynch? Was there anything else he did at the time that struck you as scummy? Also: On June 26 2014 08:43 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 26 2014 08:30 jabberwockzerg wrote:I'm liking this Nydus vote. His random pressure vote just seems a little off to me Not that pressure votes are scummy, but it's better to be clear with the town that that is what your doing, and On June 25 2014 11:28 NydusHerMain wrote:
##Vote: GlowingBear
towny feel isn't good enough for me, clearly mafia "isn't good enough for me, clearly mafia" I want you to give a more detailed reason than that to jump on the Nydus wagon. Saying what he's doing isn't necessarily scummy but voting for him because it seemed "off" isn't good enough. Jabber your silence after coming under heavy suspicion is incredibly scummy, in fact i think it's enough to sway my vote. ##Vote: Jabberwockzerg Phew. Too much confusion. Now that I believe we could be in a town VS town scenario, and after jabb tried to "hide" on my argument that flips are really important... I'm definitive now. ##Unvote
##Vote: Jabberwockzerg Also, I don't see why you scumread Templar when you did the exact same thing. You did not change wagons even after you saw the arguments for a nydus lynch and a epi lynch. Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 12:59 GlowingBear wrote:
4 townies died. Of course, 1 modkill and 1 nightkill. But still, ALL OF THEM were contradictory.
Which means that being contradictory isn't necessary a scum signal. It may help identify one, but it's secondary.
If we've lost so many by attacking their contradictory posts, what do we have here? A very consistent Mafia, that is. A Mafia who is well connected and using the information they have to lead the mislynches.
To find the Mafia in this game we must not search for people being inconsistent in their posts. We have to search for people that are not compromising themselves in their votes, in their analysis. People that are not raising flags but following town misreads so they will win a mislynch. They contribute for the mislynch but they do not compromise themselves by doing so.
Nope. Was kotc contradictory? Was nydus contradictory? (If yes, in what sense?) The only contradictory lynch that could have happened d2 was epi's lynch. but it did not follow through. So you can identify that mafia was the people who started and led the mislynches. Give me a list of people who started the mislynches.
1) Why does the mafia start the mislynches? You don't explain this at all, only that the lynches aren't necessarily contradictory.
2) Can't you make your own list? Go ahead and do it, it might help your point better than if GlowingBear (who disagrees with you at this point) did it, so why bother asking for one? It's not terribly difficult or time-consuming either.
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On June 27 2014 23:26 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 23:00 HaruRH wrote:On June 27 2014 12:59 GlowingBear wrote:
I'm having a feeling that I'm dying this night. So, I would like to share thoughts in case I don't live.
I've being filter diving a lot this night and was waiting for the night results. While filter diving, an idea crossed my mind.
We've been discussing how contradictory some players were looking and we were judging their alignment solely on that.
What happened?
4 townies died. Of course, 1 modkill and 1 nightkill. But still, ALL OF THEM were contradictory.
Which means that being contradictory isn't necessary a scum signal. It may help identify one, but it's secondary.
If we've lost so many by attacking their contradictory posts, what do we have here? A very consistent Mafia, that is. A Mafia who is well connected and using the information they have to lead the mislynches.
To find the Mafia in this game we must not search for people being inconsistent in their posts. We have to search for people that are not compromising themselves in their votes, in their analysis. People that are not raising flags but following town misreads so they will win a mislynch. They contribute for the mislynch but they do not compromise themselves by doing so.
There are some who are doing this. In order of my suspicions, The_Templar, Epishade, Hobbitus, Teemu, Haru. (Have in my this takes off my scumread on meatpudding).
I think The_Templar is the one shines the most here, IMO. If you filter dive through his filters, he is not starting pushes to force town agenda. He is actually following these misleads. It started with meatpudding, then he found a better vote on MysteryMeat1. Next, he went to jabber when he completely acted contradictory (easy vote, everybody was voting on contradictory people).
If you are not sure what I am talking about, dive through his filters. You will see his passivity (is this a word?) then his easy votes.
Have in mind that this interpretation implies that Mafia really did split their votes on Day2 so Nydus would be an easy kill.
One last thing: dive through scott's short filter and compare to mtamburini's. I haven't done this but I think this is important, it might give some clues on his alignment.
I hope this help townies on D3!
I probably had more to say but it's getting close to the deadline and I don't think I have more time to "evolve" my logic.
PS: I've asked a list on top scum and top town so it might give me an insight on who are the Mason Couple, but I have failed to do so =/
PS: I'm not sure if this is obvious or not, but this is my first Mafia game ever, so this insight came to me...
PS3: FORGOT TO CHECK KOTC FILTERS PLEASE DO SO.
I lost you there. So mafias are consistent? Towns are inconsistent? You're flipping all the knowledge I ever had of mafia. Also, passivity is not a good case for scum. much like I can call you out for being inconsistent with your reads. 'he is not starting pushes to force town agenda. He is actually following these misleads'. you're doing the same till d3. So can I lynch you based on that? Mafia does not want do draw attention. They will try to look productive but actually they are just trying to not be compromised. (1) What I'm trying to say in the bolded part is that townies are so lost in this game here that they start being inconsistent in their reads. (2) Townies are looking at a poor reasoning and assuming that it's a mafia thing, which may be, but it's secondary. It came to me that it is not the best way to catch mafia, as we can see by the results. The key to catch mafia is understanding their behaviour on not wanting to get lynch more than trying to find scum. (3) And I found this pattern while interpreting Templar's post. That night post my have (4) came poorly worded because I wrote it on rush in case I was the victim. (5) And I don't believe I've being doing the same. I've being reasoning my votes ever since the beginning, not simply following. (6) Filter dive me and compare it to templar's. If you still believe that I'm behaving just as templar's, then stick your vote on whichever you find most likely. Just have in mind that looking for contradictions on people's posts led us to 2 mislynches.
(1) Thank you for stating the obvious.
(2) So, what I'm reading here is that "townies will play incorrectly but mafia probably won't, so we can catch them because they're playing well." This makes no sense.
(3) See point 2. Keep in mind that scum is liable to play incorrectly just like town does.
(4) *may have
(5) Why were you so worried about being the victim? You hadn't been really on the map, and the kill of Lord Tolkien seems to show that whoever killed him wanted to either pick off possible scum (and you weren't) or aggressive players (again, you weren't). So it was very unlikely that you were going to die.
(6) Exactly the opposite of Hobbitus's point on the matter. She said I over-explained and felt a need to clarify and perfect my posts concerning my votes (which is very obvious), while you're saying that I don't want to at all.
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On June 27 2014 23:28 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 23:14 HaruRH wrote:On June 27 2014 22:29 GlowingBear wrote:On June 27 2014 21:56 The_Templar wrote:
Beginning wake-up processes…
Nice wagon between you two btw, reading the rest of the posts I'm not starting a wagon, in starting a crusade. I and Hobbitus had similar behaviours. It means nothing, only a slight suggestion we have the same alignment. I invite everyone to read through my last night post and judge if I don't have fair reasoning. so Templar's 'no confrontation' behaviour was scummy, but your 'push Templar with different reasons but tried to link them' behaviour isn't scummy? Didn't understand your question. Are your asking if my push on him is scummy?
He asked you to identify the difference and why one is scummy while the other isn't.
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On June 27 2014 23:28 Hobbitus wrote:
Why would scum push so hard, so obviously, and at the same exact time? (1) I decided to push Templar today, if bear does the same exact thing, it makes no difference to me. (2)
This is my first game, I am changing my reads, even completely flipping my opinion on people as I figure out what's going on. All I know is not a single scum has been lynched yet, and after mm and Tolkien died I had to seriously reconsider what I thought made someone scummy. (3) That change my opinion on cats to town, which was confirmed last night. (4) I also didn't really see the case on nydus (but was behind so I didn't know if I missed something major). Before that I had been wrong about everyone, so it seems my new method of thinking is more accurate. (5)
(1) Because it's the last thing anyone following the current trend would expect. And you were extremely quiet along with GlowingBear.
(2) Sure it doesn't, that's why GlowingBear made sure to hint you two were the same alignment.
(3) And you very conveniently chose the exact opposite of the lynched behaviors.
(4) That worked out pretty well. You changed your opinion of cats to town right before he died, and look! he's town!
(5) It's accurate because a lot of your reasoning for your new methods was based on the fact you had been wrong about everyone…? Am I missing something here?
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On June 27 2014 23:31 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 23:28 Hobbitus wrote:
Why would scum push so hard, so obviously, and at the same exact time? I decided to push Templar today, if bear does the same exact thing, it makes no difference to me.
This is my first game, I am changing my reads, even completely flipping my opinion on people as I figure out what's going on. All I know is not a single scum has been lynched yet, and after mm and Tolkien died I had to seriously reconsider what I thought made someone scummy. That change my opinion on cats to town, which was confirmed last night. I also didn't really see the case on nydus (but was behind so I didn't know if I missed something major). Before that I had been wrong about everyone, so it seems my new method of thinking is more accurate. What. So your new method of thinking is accurate because kotc flipped town and your new thiking put him as town? Why? So who are your townreads and scumreads now?
He posted his town and scum reads at the end of last night, don't act ignorant.
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On June 27 2014 23:33 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 23:09 HaruRH wrote:On June 26 2014 10:56 GlowingBear wrote:On June 26 2014 10:44 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 26 2014 10:09 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 26 2014 09:33 jabberwockzerg wrote:On June 26 2014 09:18 The_Templar wrote:K, wrote a case in about 7 minutes on jabberzerg. Looking at his very thin filter, I now have a very scummy read on him. On June 23 2014 04:01 jabberwockzerg wrote:
Hey guys, I'm out for most of the day, but I'll try to keep up on my phone, and I'll be home for the last three hours or so to read through all the filters and make my final vote.
I just want to make a quick vote now in case something happens I won't get modkilled.
##Vote: meatpudding This isn't particularly scummy. Not all of us have hours upon hours to post in this thread and he could have been later, and votes aren't permanent. I think his vote on meatpudding was a bit questionable since he seems to have had a town read on him but he was probably following the general trend of the town (I think there were 4 votes at that point, but it could be 3) due to lack of time. That could be a newbie fear of wanting to not look suspicious after being gone for ~6 hours and following town. But, is he really going to play an entire game of mafia without having any time? Please. In the battle of the meats, he takes a neutral stance immediately: On June 23 2014 10:53 jabberwockzerg wrote:On June 23 2014 10:48 meatpudding wrote:
Back. I'e reading the thread now. If you're voting Mystery or me, then I don't really have a choice anyway. But I'll flesh out my reads anyway. I'm very interested in what you have to say, I'm undecided about which meat to vote for, and you posting at all is a good sign And then when I make a point about MM not posting, he jumps on it and says he's suspecting him more. On June 23 2014 11:10 jabberwockzerg wrote:On June 23 2014 10:57 The_Templar wrote:
Wow, is MysteryMeat not defending himself at all right now? Wtf? He even told Scott to fight to the end if he was town... Wow interesting. I'd really love to hear a lot from both the meats, but right now the strongest case is MM And then: On June 23 2014 11:58 jabberwockzerg wrote:On June 23 2014 11:56 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
im not going to share my thought process on one person. deal with it... You might not like how I'm gonna deal with it ##Vote: MysteryMeat1 HAHA so cliche Day 2: On June 25 2014 12:41 jabberwockzerg wrote:
I am not a girl Really? The day is half over and you feel the need to make that your first post of the day? He continues to be as neutral as possible until he can latch onto an opinion. On June 25 2014 13:00 jabberwockzerg wrote:
I think Nydus's GB vote is interesting.
For me it just boils down to whether or not we believe his pressure explanation.
I'm not sure I do, but maybe some video mafia players can explain if that sort of play is common over there. "I don't know, but someone who does stuff that I've never done will figure it out for me". On June 25 2014 13:48 jabberwockzerg wrote:On June 25 2014 13:37 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:
Teemursu, could you lay out your case against meatpudding in full without quoting posts where you've already explained why you're voting for him? As far as i can tell your case against him is mostly based around you not liking his OMGUS of you (although the point you raised about him townreading me and scumreading Haru for basically doing the same thing is interesting) and i really need to hear the case put forward in a different way so i can better understand it. I'd love to see this as well On June 26 2014 08:30 jabberwockzerg wrote:I'm liking this Nydus vote. His random pressure vote just seems a little off to me Not that pressure votes are scummy, but it's better to be clear with the town that that is what your doing, and On June 25 2014 11:28 NydusHerMain wrote:
##Vote: GlowingBear
towny feel isn't good enough for me, clearly mafia "isn't good enough for me, clearly mafia" Basically he's just agreeing with people without offering an opinion at this point. On June 26 2014 09:09 jabberwockzerg wrote:On June 26 2014 09:06 Epishade wrote:@Cats, My recent interactions with him, and his replies to me where he dismisses everything I say as wifom is one thing. I replied back here. On June 26 2014 06:48 Epishade wrote:
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Are you serious? You actually think all of the townreading that Nydus has been doing to me is irrelevant and wifom? Why even bother thinking about anything in this game then, since surely if thinking about how logical plays work and how you would expect others to act is wifom, then everything else is then, right? We should just not even bother trying to read people, since everything everyone says and does is wifom, right?
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I took this to mean you were connecting me as potential mafia scum with Nydus, as you said this takes me, referring to your previous argument about Nydus and his views about me. I thought you were drawing a connection between us two as scum by doing that, which is why I assumed you thought we both were scum. Teemursu was on Token's scumlist, which is my personal opinion as a contributing factor to why Token died. I think Teemursu's being incredibly nitpicky against meatpudding too, trying to scumread him for trivial details in meatpudding's posts. That to me is a little scummy. On June 23 2014 22:02 Teemursu wrote:
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Odd. It feels like you're hiding something and not wanting to make up your mind about someone.
You say you can't call Tolkien scum based on that, but you agree with me on Tolkien being scum, and you put him into your potential scum list? Just what is this supposed to mean, anyways? You think him not finding something alignment indicative (him saying he can't find Cats or Token scum based on something) means he's hiding something? It's not just against meatpudding though. Here Teemursu agrees with Poof that because I didn't have hard reads on people and labeled them as "townlean" instead of town that that somehow makes me scummy... On June 25 2014 07:28 Teemursu wrote:
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This is one of the reasons why I have been reading him as "trying hard to sound towny".
IMHO, He's continued the same kind of way of talking by switching on the MM1 bandwagon by calling MeatPudding a misguided townie, while MeatPudding has in my opinion had even more bad & inconsistent logic.
It's Teemursu's incredible nitpickyness that I find to be a trait of scum. I will say that my early read on Teemursu was based on some of his word choice, too though. So call me a hypocrite if you must or feel free to point out the contradiction. That's just how I feel. Ok, you know what. I'm just sick of writing so much and reading through filters. I have no idea how accurate my reads are and it sucks to know that all this could very likely end up untrue, which I'm sure it might be. Fuck it, I'm voting for JabberZerg. I can't tell who to vote for anymore and she's been flying under the radar for too long now. ##Vote: JabberZergBuahahahahaha!!!! sdea fgsdafn jd still not a girl Is that really important? How about you focus on the issue? ##Unvote
##Vote: jabberwockzergOut of time but after this next WCS series I'll write something up on Epishade, who's acting sort of strangely, and Nydus, who is… improving a bit maybe? Not sure… I've been noncommittal and shitty and lurky Can't seem to focus on this game as much as I should be. wouldn't fault anyone for voting me BUT there is so little information to be gained from my flip that it will be more useful to leave me kicking around for at least another day and see what happens from there I'll try harder, stop daydrinking, etc. If you're scum i don't care how little information we get from lynching you. Convince us not to vote for you now, don't just say "Yeah guys i'll start doing stuff after flip...promise" You can start by posting what info, according to you, we would get from your flip and then you can answer this: On June 26 2014 09:01 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 26 2014 08:55 jabberwockzerg wrote:On June 26 2014 08:49 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 22 2014 16:20 jabberwockzerg wrote:
yeah, pudding's a townlean
I'd be most comfortable with a tolkien vote, but I want him to read my post about scott and react to it, defend his wagon.
I'll agree with a fence on KittyCats, he's asking questions, but I'm noticing a lack of content. On June 23 2014 10:53 jabberwockzerg wrote:On June 23 2014 10:48 meatpudding wrote:
Back. I'e reading the thread now. If you're voting Mystery or me, then I don't really have a choice anyway. But I'll flesh out my reads anyway. I'm very interested in what you have to say, I'm undecided about which meat to vote for, and you posting at all is a good sign Why was pudding a townlean for you at the time and what led you to change your mind and think that he might be a good lynch at the end of the day? It was his silence after coming under heavy suspicion So him possibly being away from his computer and not being able to respond to the things being said against him immediately was what led you to disregard your townread of him and seriously consider his lynch? Was there anything else he did at the time that struck you as scummy? Also: On June 26 2014 08:43 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 26 2014 08:30 jabberwockzerg wrote:I'm liking this Nydus vote. His random pressure vote just seems a little off to me Not that pressure votes are scummy, but it's better to be clear with the town that that is what your doing, and On June 25 2014 11:28 NydusHerMain wrote:
##Vote: GlowingBear
towny feel isn't good enough for me, clearly mafia "isn't good enough for me, clearly mafia" I want you to give a more detailed reason than that to jump on the Nydus wagon. Saying what he's doing isn't necessarily scummy but voting for him because it seemed "off" isn't good enough. Jabber your silence after coming under heavy suspicion is incredibly scummy, in fact i think it's enough to sway my vote. ##Vote: Jabberwockzerg Phew. Too much confusion. Now that I believe we could be in a town VS town scenario, and after jabb tried to "hide" on my argument that flips are really important... I'm definitive now. ##Unvote
##Vote: Jabberwockzerg Also, I don't see why you scumread Templar when you did the exact same thing. You did not change wagons even after you saw the arguments for a nydus lynch and a epi lynch. On June 27 2014 12:59 GlowingBear wrote:
4 townies died. Of course, 1 modkill and 1 nightkill. But still, ALL OF THEM were contradictory.
Which means that being contradictory isn't necessary a scum signal. It may help identify one, but it's secondary.
If we've lost so many by attacking their contradictory posts, what do we have here? A very consistent Mafia, that is. A Mafia who is well connected and using the information they have to lead the mislynches.
To find the Mafia in this game we must not search for people being inconsistent in their posts. We have to search for people that are not compromising themselves in their votes, in their analysis. People that are not raising flags but following town misreads so they will win a mislynch. They contribute for the mislynch but they do not compromise themselves by doing so.
Nope. Was kotc contradictory? Was nydus contradictory? (If yes, in what sense?) The only contradictory lynch that could have happened d2 was epi's lynch. but it did not follow through. So you can identify that mafia was the people who started and led the mislynches. Give me a list of people who started the mislynches. I've said they don't compromise themselves, they follow the mislynches. I'm not saying that mafia is starting those mislynches, I'm saying the mafia is identifying these mislynches and are following them.I'll expand what I wrote at the end of N1 as soon as I get to my pc so I can clarify it better
Ironically, this is exactly what you've done up until now.
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On June 28 2014 00:03 HaruRH wrote:
Questions for everyone:
1) What do you think of this glowingbear-hobbitus interaction going on?
2) What are your updated reads?
I'll answer my own question. I find glowingbear-hobbitus's interaction weird. It almost feels like a scum buddied up with a town and is attempting to misdirect town into lynching all their own top towns. This is what I think.
My updated reads:
poofter
teemu
templar
glowingbear
hobbitus
mtam
meatpudding
epishade
1) I think it's a bit odd. I'm not going to go OMGUS but the more I read it, the more they seem they're both going after me at different but very similar angles and trying to look like they're both town that have arrived at the same, obvious, conclusion.
2)
I'm not going to jump to conclusions yet, because I want to see the reaction to my questions and my reads are pretty weak at this point, but:
The_Templar
Tehpoofter
Epishade
Haru
Hobbitus
Teemu
GlowingBear
mtamburini
Meatpudding
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Going out for a walk, I'll be back for an hour or so before office hours.
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On June 29 2014 07:03 Hobbitus wrote:
Fuck it, if Templar is town I'll never forgive myself
##vote: HaruRH
How dramatic.
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On June 29 2014 07:20 GlowingBear wrote:
More: it is strange that tehpoofter and mtamburini are so quiet. Are they trying to avoid attention?
poofter is in a different game and mtam, don't know.
I have lost quite a bit of interest in this game over the past 24 hours.
On June 29 2014 07:44 Hobbitus wrote:
I am at work, posted on my break. Can't really post anything longer rn, maybe if I'm not dead tmrw. Trying to decide whether to vote Haru or Templar argh. Will be back a few minutes before eod I guess
What do you think of Epishade and meatpudding?
I'm currently down to a vote between those two. I don't feel particularly good about GlowingBear, Haru, and Hobbitus right now until I have a lot more information and they are actually trying to get something moving even with half the players AFK/doing nothing.
I still like some of Epishade's points, but not this one:
On June 29 2014 07:32 Epishade wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2014 07:18 HaruRH wrote:
I don't have time to post anymore. It's 6am here. I will definitely miss the flip so i'm leaving my vote with epi for today. Let's talk properly and consolidate our scumreads on n3.
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##Vote: Epishade There's not going to be a night 3 if it's lylo and you vote me. I like how you assume that there is going to be a night 3 if I get lynched, almost as if you were so sure I were scum, but you really knew I wasn't! That sounds like the kind of thing scum would say to appear townie when they knew there actually wouldn't be a night 3.
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##Vote: HaruRH
He doesn't have time so he's leaving his vote on what he believes is a likely mafia candidate. How is that a huge scum read?
On June 29 2014 07:10 GlowingBear wrote:I don't see it as suddenly, Haru. Check this post of him, during night time: Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 10:50 Hobbitus wrote:So he originally voted on mp with a scum read on him, and a "slight town" read on MM. Then, after MM was being weird MM: On June 23 2014 10:57 The_Templar wrote:
Wow, is MysteryMeat not defending himself at all right now? Wtf? He even told Scott to fight to the end if he was town... I don't like this. MM defending or not defending himself doesn't mean anything, neither mafia nor town want to be lynched. And yet that's somehow enough to get him to change his vote to MM. And the bit about Scott... I dunno, that sounds like a very contrived argument to me. MM said scott should keep fighting to the end so town would win, not that fighting to the end MADE scott town, I thought that was fairly obvious. On June 23 2014 11:34 The_Templar wrote:On June 23 2014 11:18 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
Templar also declares meatPudding as scum, and says im slightly town. nothing else had been posted by either of us, and he's willing to vote on me. Says there is no way i could be town here and then votes on me. I'd say at least one of the mafia are going to be between tolkien,cats,templar. If we are lucky then two of them would be there. They have been pushing on different people, but never pushed on each other. My vote was a knee-jerk reaction to your actions initially contradicting your post about scott and was also a pressure post, shifting the majority from pudding back to you. I didn't mean to say that you could not possibly be town, but not responding for so long is something a town just wouldn't do in normal conditions. You didn't react, now you have, and since your read makes sense now, I'm switching back to the other meat. This is the kind of non confrontational thing I'm talking about. At this point in the day, it was unclear which meat was going to get lynched, so if templar were scum he wouldn't want to piss off either of them and risk a case on him D2. Read his filter, he then goes through an awkward series of editing posts trying to reconcile his town read on MM with voting him On June 23 2014 11:38 The_Templar wrote:On June 23 2014 11:38 The_Templar wrote:
Also, my general opinion of mysterymeat hadn't changed from my initial post where I said he was slightly town, but I over-reacted to his complete and total lack of defense (I also thought he had given up). edit: Yeah I said he couldn't be town. That was wrong of me, I should have said he couldn't be town since he wasn't defending at all, but he clearly is now. So this is all a bit weird, and as soon as I say something to him about it, HE CHANGES HIS VOTE BACK TO MM. Read the entire quote below: On June 23 2014 12:06 The_Templar wrote:On June 23 2014 12:04 The_Templar wrote:On June 23 2014 11:59 Hobbitus wrote:Templar, this King:
As its been pointed out by a few people, of my glaring inconsitancy by condeming cats for lynching regardless of alignment. I also don't like how tolkien said it. Missed the sentence in his post where he said it. Unlike teemu and nydus i get my reads from more of a general flow of the game. is enough for you to change your mind about MM? Despite Tolkien's beautiful argument? MysteryMeat's contribution is him trying to pose as normal town when he hasn't been posting much. My (limited) experience with lurker scum is that they hide until the second half of Day 1 before posting a "reads" list, and giving a vote in the hopes it'll let them off the hook for any suspicion, and voting for a possible bandwagon based on the general feelings in the thread. Let's be real here, NO ONE in this thread thought I was scum until GlowingBear (I believe Haru had already removed his vote at the time), so he figured it'd be best to continue the trend. Cats a safe vote. A bandwagon on meatpudding, but Cats is under suspicion so his vote won't be heavily scruitinized D2 if meatpudding turns up green.
It's just impossible for him not to even MENTION that I pushed for a lynch on a player for being deadweight and being FINE with a mislynch if that happens, if that's why he's so bent on voting Cats. It's just ridiculously impossible, like holy shit. I never changed my general opinion of MysteryMeat. However, he's sort of looking frantic at this point, so I'm considering changing my vote back. I don't like changing my vote back and forth so I'm waiting until a conclusion is being reached. On June 23 2014 12:00 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 23 2014 11:47 The_Templar wrote:On June 23 2014 11:27 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 23 2014 11:12 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
Just from rereading the thread over my town reads would be
Scott: He votes on himself because he feels that the game isn't for him. Then thanks me for telling him to keep fighting if he was town. If Scott was mafia, I doubt he would be feeling alone, as he would have a mafia qt to post in and ask for advice. He hasn't contributed a whole lot but i really think he is town.
King:
As its been pointed out by a few people, of my glaring inconsitancy by condeming cats for lynching regardless of alignment. I also don't like how tolkien said it. Missed the sentence in his post where he said it. Unlike teemu and nydus i get my reads from more of a general flow of the game.
The_Templar:
Says scumhunting isn't essential day 1, doesn't like scott, and is willing to lynch him because he has no scum read.
Like the reason i don't like CATS, Tolkien, is because they seem very ready to lynch people, and throwing scum on people to sway town into voting on them. (this isn't OMGUS) but teemu on the other hand votes on people to get reactions and reads. I think there is a very clear distinction. I usually don't pay too much attention, but in this case imo the distinction is pretty clear.
Teemu: I really like teemu, he's pushing for information, and getting reads. He thinks pudding is scum, which i think pudding could be town.
Nydus: Hasn't posted a ton recently but i think he's pretty town. The way i distinguish between his town and mafia play is how objective he is to the game. When he's town his reads are more selfish and when he's mafia his reads are really objective.
Tolkien: i honestly don't like, once again not for OMGUS, but he wants to lynch lurkers, which i don't agree with. If they keep on lurking they could get modkilled. He also is telling blue roles how to play the game. There is more than one way to play mafia, and i think he's just fishing for roles to kill in the night honestly. I also don't like the fact that when people talked about my inconsistency on cat's and tolkien. No one really mentioned the fact that there could be a relationship between tolkien and I. IMO if mafia are going to go for an inconsitancy like that it happens for a reason.
HARUH: Leaning pretty town. I like his reads early on in the game.
Epishade: I don't know atm. I get this odd feeling like he's playing slightly different than he was the last time i played with him when he was town. Don't know what this really means, but could potentially expand on this on d2 if im alive.
in the mafia fence pile
jabber
glowingbear (first post striked me as really odd)
pudding (said he could be town, but i think teemu is pretty town and teemu is pretty good at finding mafia) Why are me and Tolkien on your townpile if you don't like either of us?Where was Tolkien telling blue roles how to play the game and how is that scummy? What is this possible relationship between you and Tolkien? Can you elaborate on why the people in your mafia pile are scummy? I'm going to help meat a bit and answer that relationship question. This post was the initial lynch post, where tolkien did something similar to what I did later (although I've retracted mine in favor of the still very scummy meatpudding) I'm sorry but i really can't see what you're getting at. How does that post help explain a relationship between MM and Tolkien? It got the town riled up against MM for the most part. It also caused my vote to change to MM to pressure him, which made him come out and start defending himself. Now MM is defending himself from Tolkien among other people. This thread has gotten really, really weird. To clarify: I am mentally voting for MM at this point, and if nothing has changed in the next 40 or so minutes, I'll unvote meatpudding. But I don't want to spam the vote list. He's so pliant. It just seems super scummy to me. It also makes me think that both meats are actually town, and either wagon would have resulted in a mislynch D1. He actually put more effort than me while quoting. I guess after we found out we had such similar opinion, we started being more aggressive towards Templar. (1)You are right, Haru. I would like you to notice that Hobbitus also have a scumread on epi. I also have it. (2) You also. It may not be our strongest reads, but it is where we agree. Considering we have probably 4 mafia, we should stick where we agree and catch at least 1 mafia and use our time better to make stronger cases and evaluate our next target. I think it's safer if we vote in agreed scumreads. We should make a stronger case on epi, btw. That said, changing votes for now. ##Unvote
##Vote: Epishade
(1) You immediately abandoned the attack on me as soon as I started defending myself. I'm not sure how to read this.
(2) I'm going to agree with a point Hobbitus made earlier. I don't think mafia would make such an obvious play. So unless I'm being incredibly mind-gamed (not likely), I'm reading you both as town, so I'll help pressure epishade into doing something.
##Vote: Epishade
I'd like to also add this is more a pressure vote than a suspect vote. Epishade has been doing some weird stuff recently, but so has a lot of town (yeah yeah I'm agreeing with hobbitus again). However, I don't think that this guarantees he is town, and I want to see how he responds (besides by pushing very insignificant points on a potential lylo on day 3) before the day is over.
I'm also voting now in case I forget to vote.
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On June 29 2014 08:04 GlowingBear wrote:
Lol XD
Maybe doing what you think is right and not caring lol.
By lurking I wanted to say "not voting". At least 2 of the lurkers already made their stance. Waiting EoD to vote is SO SCUMMY.
I was gone a lot longer than I thought I would be this afternoon. And it's not quite EOD yet, which is why I'm voting now.
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On June 29 2014 08:14 mtamburini wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 12:54 Amiko wrote:Vote Count – Day 1 scott31337 (1): Lord Tolkein, The_Templar, scott31337 Lord Tolkien (0): HaruRHTheKingOfTheCats (0): NydusHerMain, MysteryMeat1meatpudding (4): Teemursu, scott31337, HaruRH, The_Templar, jabberwockzerg, Epishade, GlowingBear, MysteryMeat1, The_TemplarHaruRH (0): meatpuddingjabberwockzerg (0): HobbitusMysteryMeat1 (8): TheKingOfTheCats, Lord Tolkien, Epishade, Hobbitus, The_Templar, jabberwockzerg, NydusHerMain, The_Templar, meatpudding Not voting (2): Solar424, BlondeMocha
Currently, MysteryMeat1 is set to be lynched with 8 votes.
As a reminder for resolving ties - a player becomes the new lynch target when that player has more votes than anyone else.
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Day 1 will end in (04:00 GMT (+00:00)). Looking at the day1 ML I strongly believe there is mafia between Epi Hobbitus Templar and meatpudding Show nested quote +On June 26 2014 13:01 Amiko wrote:Day 2 - Final Vote Count meatpudding (0): Teemursu, Hobbitus, The_Templar, GlowingBearNydusHerMain (3): Tehpoofter, Teemursu, TheKingOfTheCats, TheKingOfTheCats, mtamburini GlowingBear (0): NydusHerMainTeemursu (2): Meatpudding, Epishade, EpishadeEpishade (2): HaruRH, Teemursu, HobbitusHaruRH (0): GlowingBearJabberwockzerg (2): Epishade, The_Templar, TheKingOfTheCats, GlowingBear mtamburini (2): HaruRH, NydusHerMain Not voting (1): Jabberwockzerg
NydusHerMain was lynched with 3 votes. With the spread out votes on DAY 2 I dont think mafia would vote on eachother and would spread amoung town. Therefore I would lynch between Temp and meatpudding 100% today and no one else. Not sure what the most updated VC is but these are our best lynches today. Also I think Teemu is super town for pulling off nydus and voting ephisade who could be mafia, but I think he is someone to look into another day. If were in the world that there are 3 in this game Im sure well hit at least 1 in between these 2. ##VOTE:: Templar
Would you like to explain why I'm more likely to be mafia than meatpudding?
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Sorry guys, I was really tired last night and I slept like 12-13 hours >.>
Woke up, skimmed thread before office hours.
So, everyone started drinking the crazy juice and flip-flopped a ton before lynching teemu (?) who turned out to be scum (!)?
Some weird shit going on. Particularly interesting things were that Hobbitus put her vote back on me and Epishade voted Teemu 3! times (not sure what to make of it though, since teemu was scum)
Those are not the people I would have expected to lynch scum though, particularly meatpudding.
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Actually, I just realized that I have no office hours today, it's sunday not monday
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On June 29 2014 12:48 mtamburini wrote:
WTF TEEMU IS TOWN HE PULLED OFF OF NYDUS TO GO ONTO SOMEONE ELSE
##VOTE TEMPLAR
This is my favorite post so far, reading back.
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On June 29 2014 12:59 Hobbitus wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: The_Templar
jeez
On June 29 2014 13:00 mtamburini wrote:
Finally someone with a brain
The hell is this?
On June 29 2014 13:39 Hobbitus wrote:
Hate to spoil it for you epi but I'm VT lol
"Haha, you were wrong! I'm actually town, not scum!"
On June 29 2014 13:43 meatpudding wrote:
Banks and mtam were acting really scummy, but why push on Templar?
Haven't you heard? Pushing me is the new town meta.
Teemu started posting emotional crap in response to hobbitus but just random stuff in response to everyone else. Sort of strange.
On June 29 2014 13:45 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2014 13:44 Hobbitus wrote:On June 29 2014 13:41 Teemursu wrote:On June 29 2014 13:39 Hobbitus wrote:
Hate to spoil it for you epi but I'm VT lol gl ;-; I don't even want to play anymore, this is awful. Never gonna give you up Never gonna let you down I'm just gonna ride or die, with you.
On June 29 2014 14:11 GlowingBear wrote:
I'm glad that I was right that you were blue, tho.
I should stick to my reads with more confidence.
Which read? The one where you read me as scum, the one where you started pushing Epishade and then switched, the mtam scum read, the one where you read haru as scum (before he revealed), or one of the two teemu reads?
I think it's perfectly fine for you to be not confident about your reads. Please do that. But switching 5 times between 5 different people in the last few hours with little explanation is really weird.
On June 29 2014 14:29 Hobbitus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2014 14:25 Hobbitus wrote:
So if it comes down to claiming cop or letting someone with a green check get lynched during potential lylo, the latter is preferable? I must be missing something Not even claiming cop, hinting cop I dunno, I think I'm done for the night. Just going to wait for the flip
Hobbitus, seriously, MP was not close to dying at the EOD. At any point. So there was no reason for Haru to claim cop immediately other than to save himself.
On June 29 2014 14:38 GlowingBear wrote:
I like how tambourine says Templar is scum for no particular reason
I happen to not like it but you can be ok with it :p
On June 29 2014 14:47 Teemursu wrote:(Ooh, give you up) (Ooh, give you up)
…did I just get rickrolled?
On June 29 2014 14:56 Tehpoofter wrote:
We got em!!!!
LOL? Do you think we've really got the mafia?
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AND it seems that my theory of having scum as top townies wasn't really wrong after all
Yeah. This draws us to some questions about Tehpoofter though, who, after reading and catching up on everything, unfailingly saw Teemu as town.
On June 26 2014 12:04 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2014 12:03 mtamburini wrote:
I could be convinced to lynch meat for the OMGUS vote on MM1 but that will be after nydus and teemu die Teemu won't die unless someone says they have a red check on him and even then I probably wouldn't believe it. Teemu is town in my eyes.
On June 29 2014 15:28 Tehpoofter wrote:
So we need to do things tonight. 1) vote analysis of eod. 2) Haru needs to give full unbiased reads. 3) everyone needs to look at eod on all three days the last was the best by far info wise.
Teemu was afk on meat right?
The last EOD consisted of half-assed random votes (partially including you, poofter)
On June 29 2014 12:59 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2014 12:58 HaruRH wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: epishade
I'm just sheeping poofter now. That's a terrible idea I know nothing but fuck it!!
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On June 30 2014 13:07 Hobbitus wrote:
Surprise: ##Vote: HaruRH
If you think this is a surprise you could explain it.
On June 30 2014 13:10 Hobbitus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2014 13:07 Epishade wrote:
Curious why Hobbit thinks Poof is town, as I think he's scum, but I'll worry about that later. I stayed up mainly to see who would die.
##Vote: The_Templar
I don't have a super strong read on him, just generally feels town. Willing to look at him more D4
Surely, at this point, you've actually paid attention to what he's said at some point. Can't you draw from that? Saying he's feeling town is something you do on day 1 or day 2, not day 4.
On June 30 2014 13:35 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2014 13:26 GlowingBear wrote:
It would be better if you were dead. You're not a confirmed town as meatpudding was and you are no more than a vanilla since you can't check. Killing meatpudding was so more predictable than killing you. I don't believe jailer hasn't put though on that.
I'll wait and see if someone is claiming.
Before that, what do you think of the Templar and Hobbitus right now? You're going to tell me that there isnt a single blue role in a game of 15 people. Killing mp and me was another gamble. Prisoner's dilemma. Hobbitus? I have never seen someone as tunneled as him. Every fking thing I do is scum. Every. I refuse to even care about him anymore. (1) I should have checked him on d2 instead of mp. Templar? He is quite lurky, posts thoughts about things he missed but never posted reads. (2) At least he posted stuff, unlike mtam and poofter, who coasted through n3 without a single post. Hobbit, get the fuck off me now. I am seriously irritated and annoyed with your tunnelling. I am not the only possible scum. Who do you think are the others and why.
(1) Don't even think about not paying attention to him. Even though he's tunneling you so much, you have to show him you're not scum or, if you think he's scum, show the rest of us why.
(2) I've posted my reads every day. Maybe you missed the last one during day 3, check my filter.
On June 30 2014 13:43 GlowingBear wrote:
And what do you think of what I've brought from Teemu?
I'd also would like to hear from Hobbitus and Epi as well. Also, from these two, what they think of the possibility of not existing a jail keeper as I said before
There is definitely a jailor.
I've been hearing a lot from Hobbitus and Epishade, almost too much. I know their opinions at this point. I want to hear from poofter, who shows up at EOD and steers the town into chaos, and Mtam, who's been very violent ever since he came in during day 2 EOD.
On June 30 2014 14:02 Epishade wrote:
GlowBear, what do you mean what you've brought from Teemu? You mean that you voted for him?
I considered you and meatpudding top town before he was shot, since you voted for Teemursu, which you wouldn't have done if you weren't scum. Haruhi and Poof voted for me, but since I think Haruhi is likely a cop, I'm more suspicious of Poof voting for me, as well as Templar. Don't know who a possible 4th mafia would be at this point, if there is one.
As far as no jailkeeper existing, I do think that there is a jailkeeper in this game. I'd expect AT LEAST 2 blue roles for 12 people. I think that's what we got, a jailer and a cop. Mafia has the roleblocker I'd guess.
This makes a lot of sense.
Everyone who voted teemu is pretty confirmed to be town (although I wouldn't take this as an absolute given).
I voted for you intending to pressure and fell asleep. Sorry T_T
On June 30 2014 14:06 Epishade wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2014 13:47 HaruRH wrote:On June 30 2014 12:58 Hobbitus wrote:
This game is exhausting. Not much to say tonight except mp would be a good night kill if Haru was scum. Also asking to be jailed = no check tonight, easier to continue fake claim.
Seriously, does no one else see the major problems with his claim?
Updated Reads
HaruRH-scum
Tehpoofter-town
GlowingBear-town easily influenced, be careful
Meatpudding-town
Epishade-town (based on vote analysis)
mtamburini-town
The_Templar-scum What makes you so sure that hobbit did not kill mp today so that he could incriminate me further? Hobbit had the opportunity to lynch me over Teemursu, but voted for Templar instead. Pretty sure he's not scum.
Voted for me even though he had already said he really didn't want to kill me? And he voted Haru even though he claimed Cop? Wouldn't it have been less scumlike to vote for Teemu?
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You very elegantly connected me and Haru, Hobbitus. It's amazing how you managed to pull off claiming that we were defending each other the whole game when I didn't require any defense until you attacked me, and even then, Haru only used that to push you instead of defending me. For some reason, you are both tunneling each other incessantly.
Now, if I'm reading this game correctly, mafia is pretty much sitting back and making sure they keep control of the EOD cycles. Who are these people, you may ask? Why, obviously Teemu (he's flipped), Tehpoofter, and mtam. I'm not sure I buy that the latter two are both mafia, but I'm positive at least one of them are, and their behaviors are extremely similar (except for mtam being very aggressive towards Haru).
I don't want to play with mtam if it reaches the end of game, so I'll vote him.
##Vote: mtamburini
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On July 01 2014 23:35 Hobbitus wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2014 22:58 The_Templar wrote:
You very elegantly connected me and Haru, Hobbitus. It's amazing how you managed to pull off claiming that we were defending each other the whole game when I didn't require any defense until you attacked me, and even then, Haru only used that to push you instead of defending me. For some reason, you are both tunneling each other incessantly.
Now, if I'm reading this game correctly, mafia is pretty much sitting back and making sure they keep control of the EOD cycles. Who are these people, you may ask? Why, obviously Teemu (he's flipped), Tehpoofter, and mtam. I'm not sure I buy that the latter two are both mafia, but I'm positive at least one of them are, and their behaviors are extremely similar (except for mtam being very aggressive towards Haru).
I don't want to play with mtam if it reaches the end of game, so I'll vote him.
##Vote: mtamburini Haru is basically trying to discredit me, but won't commit to pushing me as scum because there is no good case to be made on me. Give me an argument on mtam other than "he's annoying."
…Read my post again. I gave two arguments that were at least partially directed against mtam that weren't "he's annoying"
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On July 01 2014 23:38 Hobbitus wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2014 11:57 GlowingBear wrote:
I'd rather lynch mtamburini than Templar tbh. Templar is at least participating Also, just note that Templar/Haru jumped on the mtam bandwagon after poof voted him and bear posted this. In b4 me posting this fact is tunneling.
I didn't even notice that. I was just responding to your post.
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On July 01 2014 23:39 Hobbitus wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2014 23:38 The_Templar wrote:On July 01 2014 23:35 Hobbitus wrote:On July 01 2014 22:58 The_Templar wrote:
You very elegantly connected me and Haru, Hobbitus. It's amazing how you managed to pull off claiming that we were defending each other the whole game when I didn't require any defense until you attacked me, and even then, Haru only used that to push you instead of defending me. For some reason, you are both tunneling each other incessantly.
Now, if I'm reading this game correctly, mafia is pretty much sitting back and making sure they keep control of the EOD cycles. Who are these people, you may ask? Why, obviously Teemu (he's flipped), Tehpoofter, and mtam. I'm not sure I buy that the latter two are both mafia, but I'm positive at least one of them are, and their behaviors are extremely similar (except for mtam being very aggressive towards Haru).
I don't want to play with mtam if it reaches the end of game, so I'll vote him.
##Vote: mtamburini Haru is basically trying to discredit me, but won't commit to pushing me as scum because there is no good case to be made on me. Give me an argument on mtam other than "he's annoying." …Read my post again. I gave two arguments that were at least partially directed against mtam that weren't "he's annoying" What, that he's (1) lurking (2) until EOD?
That's one point. In addition, I said I didn't want to play with him at the end of the game situation with 2 town/1 mafia or 3 town/1 mafia. Yeah that's a "he's annoying" but do you really want to be one of the last 3/4 players with him?
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On July 02 2014 01:10 mtamburini wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 12:54 Amiko wrote:Vote Count – Day 1 scott31337 (1): Lord Tolkein, The_Templar, scott31337Lord Tolkien (0): HaruRHTheKingOfTheCats (0): NydusHerMain, MysteryMeat1meatpudding (4): Teemursu, scott31337, HaruRH, The_Templar, jabberwockzerg, Epishade, GlowingBear, MysteryMeat1, The_TemplarHaruRH (0): meatpuddingjabberwockzerg (0): HobbitusMysteryMeat1 (8): TheKingOfTheCats, Lord Tolkien, Epishade, Hobbitus, The_Templar, jabberwockzerg, NydusHerMain, The_Templar, meatpuddingNot voting (2): Solar424, BlondeMocha Looking at the day1 ML I still strongly believe there is mafia between Epi Hobbitus Templar. Assuming that HaruH is the real cop then the only other mafia that could have voted on meat d1 is glowing bear splitting up the mafia votes as potentially 2/2 if there is 4. Im leaning towards HaruH being the real cop because he checked meat saw he was town and then pushed hard to lynch the peope who voted on him as well he also claimed he was going to check glowing bear. Regardless of Glowingbears allignement mafia have to roleblock (im assuming he was not jailed cause that would be dumb IMO as one of them would move on to the next day to lead) Sure you can say maybe meat was GF but he couldnt live for 2 days in a row and not die to mafia if he was confirmed. Show nested quote +On June 26 2014 13:01 Amiko wrote:Day 2 - Final Vote Count meatpudding (0): Teemursu, Hobbitus, The_Templar, GlowingBearNydusHerMain (3): Tehpoofter, Teemursu, TheKingOfTheCats, TheKingOfTheCats, mtamburiniGlowingBear (0): NydusHerMainTeemursu (2): Meatpudding, Epishade, Epishade Epishade (2): HaruRH, Teemursu, Hobbitus HaruRH (0): GlowingBearJabberwockzerg (2): Epishade, The_Templar, TheKingOfTheCats, GlowingBear mtamburini (2): HaruRH, NydusHerMainNot voting (1): Jabberwockzerg Still looking at Epi Hobbitus Templar and knowing that Teemu is mafia, Im more inclined to believe that mafia would bus eachother on that day so Im going to live in the world where Epi is town leaving me with Templar and Hobbitus as potential scum. With the possibilty of their still being 3 scum alive ill toss tehpoofter into the mix as a third mafia but at the bottom of the totenpole. Hobbitus changed his vote at EOD off of meatpudding to Epishade, from the prospective I was living in with Teemu being town for pulling off a town to vote someone else I cant 100% consider as I have been proven wrong that scum can do this. This just makes me believe Epi is more town and that mafia tried to hammer him EOD and hoped another town voted on him to get him lynched. Show nested quote +On June 29 2014 14:46 Amiko wrote:Day 3 - Final Vote Count The_Templar (2)GlowingBear, Hobbitus, mtamburini, Tehpoofter, mtamburini, Hobbitus Epishade (3): HaruRH, GlowingBear, HaruRH, The_Templar, TehPoofter, HaruRHMeatpudding (1): Epishade, Teemursu, mtamburiniTeemursu (3*): Meatpudding, Epishade, Epishade, GlowingBear, Epishade, GlowingBear Hobbitus (0): HaruRHHaruRH (0): Hobbitus, Epishade, TehPoofter, TehPoofter, GlowingBearmtamburini (0): TehPoofter, GlowingBear, HaruRH, EpishadeNot Voting (0): No one So yesterday votes are kinda telling that TEMPLAR NEED TO BE LYNCHED For one I strongly believe that Epi and Teemu cannot be scum together and Templar voted on EPI in a tied vote where Teemu flipped scum, Glowingbear being the last vote on Teemu I dont think can be scum as all he had to do was pull off and vote someone else and Epi wouldve been lynched. Again I know this theory has been disproven already but in the situation that we were in or couldve been in with it being LYLO I think mafia is more likely to go for the win rather than bus. Lets lynch Templar and then tomorrow we can hunt for more scum ##VOTE TEMPLAR
##Unvote
This is a much better post from you than I was expecting. You know, actually playing the game instead of bitching is a pretty good strategy.
However, I don't like that you pinpoint me as the only suspicious person in the vote. On day 2, Tehpoofter voted Nydus early on, and despite being extremely active during that day, simply did not ever change his vote. Yes, that looks worse in hindsight than it did in day 2, but then look at day 3. Poof does literally the opposite, stirring up confusing in the voting and trying to get people away from someone. At no point did he vote Teemu, and he voted Haru twice. If he is mafia, he ultimately failed to get people to not focus on Teemu.
Now, concerning Epishade…
In day 2, Nydus/jabber had 3+ votes for the last hour and a half and Epishade and Teemu had 1 each. It is perfectly reasonable for them, if they were both scum, to vote each other in order to prevent any suspicion in case one of them gets lynched. Note also how Epishade unvoted Teemu and then revoted him after a brief vote on the slightly suspicious jabber, as if he wasn't sure.
Then in day 3, he kept unvoting Teemu AGAIN. At this point the voting was very chaotic and the host was having trouble keeping track of the votes so it's possible he made a mistake.
In addition, you completely ignore GlowingBear, who switches votes a lot in day 3 without too much explanation.
All of these are possibilities. However, I'm still inclined that one or two of you/Poofter/GlowingBear is more likely because of your previous inclination to keep things chaotic at the EOD.
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On July 02 2014 01:31 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 12:54 Amiko wrote:Vote Count – Day 1 scott31337 (1): Lord Tolkein, The_Templar, scott31337 Lord Tolkien (0): HaruRHTheKingOfTheCats (0): NydusHerMain, MysteryMeat1meatpudding (4): Teemursu, scott31337, HaruRH, The_Templar, jabberwockzerg, Epishade, GlowingBear, MysteryMeat1, The_TemplarHaruRH (0): meatpuddingjabberwockzerg (0): HobbitusMysteryMeat1 (8): TheKingOfTheCats, Lord Tolkien, Epishade, Hobbitus, The_Templar, jabberwockzerg, NydusHerMain, The_Templar, meatpuddingNot voting (2): Solar424, BlondeMocha Show nested quote +On June 26 2014 13:01 Amiko wrote:Day 2 - Final Vote Count meatpudding (0): Teemursu, Hobbitus, The_Templar, GlowingBearNydusHerMain (3): Tehpoofter, Teemursu, TheKingOfTheCats, TheKingOfTheCats, mtamburini GlowingBear (0): NydusHerMainTeemursu (2): Meatpudding, Epishade, Epishade Epishade (2): HaruRH, Teemursu, Hobbitus HaruRH (0): GlowingBearJabberwockzerg (2): Epishade, The_Templar, TheKingOfTheCats, GlowingBear mtamburini (2): HaruRH, NydusHerMainNot voting (1): Jabberwockzerg Show nested quote +On June 29 2014 14:46 Amiko wrote:Day 3 - Final Vote Count The_Templar (2)GlowingBear, Hobbitus, mtamburini, Tehpoofter, mtamburini, Hobbitus Epishade (3): HaruRH, GlowingBear, HaruRH, The_Templar, TehPoofter, HaruRHMeatpudding (1): Epishade, Teemursu, mtamburiniTeemursu (3*): Meatpudding, Epishade, Epishade, GlowingBear, Epishade, GlowingBear Hobbitus (0): HaruRHHaruRH (0): Hobbitus, Epishade, TehPoofter, TehPoofter, GlowingBearmtamburini (0): TehPoofter, GlowingBear, HaruRH, EpishadeNot Voting (0): No one It makes more sense IMO when mtam/scott is not greened out.
Agreed. Assuming you're town in analysis posts like this is not helpful.
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On July 02 2014 01:35 mtamburini wrote:
Im town so your going to have to accept it and move on. (1)
Also before day ended yesterday teemu asked if he could still switch his vote, the only person he couldve voted for to save his life wouldve been epi another reason for me to believe epi is town (2)
(1) Lol
(2) This is a really good point, actually. Never thought about that.
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On July 02 2014 01:38 mtamburini wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On July 02 2014 01:33 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2014 01:10 mtamburini wrote:On June 23 2014 12:54 Amiko wrote:Vote Count – Day 1 scott31337 (1): Lord Tolkein, The_Templar, scott31337Lord Tolkien (0): HaruRHTheKingOfTheCats (0): NydusHerMain, MysteryMeat1meatpudding (4): Teemursu, scott31337, HaruRH, The_Templar, jabberwockzerg, Epishade, GlowingBear, MysteryMeat1, The_TemplarHaruRH (0): meatpuddingjabberwockzerg (0): HobbitusMysteryMeat1 (8): TheKingOfTheCats, Lord Tolkien, Epishade, Hobbitus, The_Templar, jabberwockzerg, NydusHerMain, The_Templar, meatpuddingNot voting (2): Solar424, BlondeMocha Looking at the day1 ML I still strongly believe there is mafia between Epi Hobbitus Templar. Assuming that HaruH is the real cop then the only other mafia that could have voted on meat d1 is glowing bear splitting up the mafia votes as potentially 2/2 if there is 4. Im leaning towards HaruH being the real cop because he checked meat saw he was town and then pushed hard to lynch the peope who voted on him as well he also claimed he was going to check glowing bear. Regardless of Glowingbears allignement mafia have to roleblock (im assuming he was not jailed cause that would be dumb IMO as one of them would move on to the next day to lead) Sure you can say maybe meat was GF but he couldnt live for 2 days in a row and not die to mafia if he was confirmed. On June 26 2014 13:01 Amiko wrote:Day 2 - Final Vote Count meatpudding (0): Teemursu, Hobbitus, The_Templar, GlowingBearNydusHerMain (3): Tehpoofter, Teemursu, TheKingOfTheCats, TheKingOfTheCats, mtamburiniGlowingBear (0): NydusHerMainTeemursu (2): Meatpudding, Epishade, Epishade Epishade (2): HaruRH, Teemursu, Hobbitus HaruRH (0): GlowingBearJabberwockzerg (2): Epishade, The_Templar, TheKingOfTheCats, GlowingBear mtamburini (2): HaruRH, NydusHerMainNot voting (1): Jabberwockzerg Still looking at Epi Hobbitus Templar and knowing that Teemu is mafia, Im more inclined to believe that mafia would bus eachother on that day so Im going to live in the world where Epi is town leaving me with Templar and Hobbitus as potential scum. With the possibilty of their still being 3 scum alive ill toss tehpoofter into the mix as a third mafia but at the bottom of the totenpole. Hobbitus changed his vote at EOD off of meatpudding to Epishade, from the prospective I was living in with Teemu being town for pulling off a town to vote someone else I cant 100% consider as I have been proven wrong that scum can do this. This just makes me believe Epi is more town and that mafia tried to hammer him EOD and hoped another town voted on him to get him lynched. On June 29 2014 14:46 Amiko wrote:Day 3 - Final Vote Count The_Templar (2)GlowingBear, Hobbitus, mtamburini, Tehpoofter, mtamburini, Hobbitus Epishade (3): HaruRH, GlowingBear, HaruRH, The_Templar, TehPoofter, HaruRHMeatpudding (1): Epishade, Teemursu, mtamburiniTeemursu (3*): Meatpudding, Epishade, Epishade, GlowingBear, Epishade, GlowingBear Hobbitus (0): HaruRHHaruRH (0): Hobbitus, Epishade, TehPoofter, TehPoofter, GlowingBearmtamburini (0): TehPoofter, GlowingBear, HaruRH, EpishadeNot Voting (0): No one So yesterday votes are kinda telling that TEMPLAR NEED TO BE LYNCHED For one I strongly believe that Epi and Teemu cannot be scum together and Templar voted on EPI in a tied vote where Teemu flipped scum, Glowingbear being the last vote on Teemu I dont think can be scum as all he had to do was pull off and vote someone else and Epi wouldve been lynched. Again I know this theory has been disproven already but in the situation that we were in or couldve been in with it being LYLO I think mafia is more likely to go for the win rather than bus. Lets lynch Templar and then tomorrow we can hunt for more scum ##VOTE TEMPLAR ##UnvoteThis is a much better post from you than I was expecting. You know, actually playing the game instead of bitching is a pretty good strategy. However, I don't like that you pinpoint me as the only suspicious person in the vote. On day 2, Tehpoofter voted Nydus early on, and despite being extremely active during that day, simply did not ever change his vote. Yes, that looks worse in hindsight than it did in day 2, but then look at day 3. Poof does literally the opposite, stirring up confusing in the voting and trying to get people away from someone. At no point did he vote Teemu, and he voted Haru twice. If he is mafia, he ultimately failed to get people to not focus on Teemu. Now, concerning Epishade… In day 2, Nydus/jabber had 3+ votes for the last hour and a half and Epishade and Teemu had 1 each. It is perfectly reasonable for them, if they were both scum, to vote each other in order to prevent any suspicion in case one of them gets lynched. Note also how Epishade unvoted Teemu and then revoted him after a brief vote on the slightly suspicious jabber, as if he wasn't sure. Then in day 3, he kept unvoting Teemu AGAIN. At this point the voting was very chaotic and the host was having trouble keeping track of the votes so it's possible he made a mistake. In addition, you completely ignore GlowingBear, who switches votes a lot in day 3 without too much explanation. All of these are possibilities. However, I'm still inclined that one or two of you/Poofter/GlowingBear is more likely because of your previous inclination to keep things chaotic at the EOD. If you are going to call Bear scummy for that can you quote why you switched your vote so much on day 1 then?
I already gave my reasons.
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On July 02 2014 01:39 mtamburini wrote:
Also who are you unvoting from? LOL
Are you unvoting no one?
On July 01 2014 22:58 The_Templar wrote:
You very elegantly connected me and Haru, Hobbitus. It's amazing how you managed to pull off claiming that we were defending each other the whole game when I didn't require any defense until you attacked me, and even then, Haru only used that to push you instead of defending me. For some reason, you are both tunneling each other incessantly.
Now, if I'm reading this game correctly, mafia is pretty much sitting back and making sure they keep control of the EOD cycles. Who are these people, you may ask? Why, obviously Teemu (he's flipped), Tehpoofter, and mtam. I'm not sure I buy that the latter two are both mafia, but I'm positive at least one of them are, and their behaviors are extremely similar (except for mtam being very aggressive towards Haru).
I don't want to play with mtam if it reaches the end of game, so I'll vote him.
##Vote: mtamburini
I voted you. Then I unvoted.
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On July 02 2014 05:22 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2014 01:33 The_Templar wrote:On July 02 2014 01:10 mtamburini wrote:On June 23 2014 12:54 Amiko wrote:Vote Count – Day 1 scott31337 (1): Lord Tolkein, The_Templar, scott31337Lord Tolkien (0): HaruRHTheKingOfTheCats (0): NydusHerMain, MysteryMeat1meatpudding (4): Teemursu, scott31337, HaruRH, The_Templar, jabberwockzerg, Epishade, GlowingBear, MysteryMeat1, The_TemplarHaruRH (0): meatpuddingjabberwockzerg (0): HobbitusMysteryMeat1 (8): TheKingOfTheCats, Lord Tolkien, Epishade, Hobbitus, The_Templar, jabberwockzerg, NydusHerMain, The_Templar, meatpuddingNot voting (2): Solar424, BlondeMocha Looking at the day1 ML I still strongly believe there is mafia between Epi Hobbitus Templar. Assuming that HaruH is the real cop then the only other mafia that could have voted on meat d1 is glowing bear splitting up the mafia votes as potentially 2/2 if there is 4. Im leaning towards HaruH being the real cop because he checked meat saw he was town and then pushed hard to lynch the peope who voted on him as well he also claimed he was going to check glowing bear. Regardless of Glowingbears allignement mafia have to roleblock (im assuming he was not jailed cause that would be dumb IMO as one of them would move on to the next day to lead) Sure you can say maybe meat was GF but he couldnt live for 2 days in a row and not die to mafia if he was confirmed. On June 26 2014 13:01 Amiko wrote:Day 2 - Final Vote Count meatpudding (0): Teemursu, Hobbitus, The_Templar, GlowingBearNydusHerMain (3): Tehpoofter, Teemursu, TheKingOfTheCats, TheKingOfTheCats, mtamburiniGlowingBear (0): NydusHerMainTeemursu (2): Meatpudding, Epishade, Epishade Epishade (2): HaruRH, Teemursu, Hobbitus HaruRH (0): GlowingBearJabberwockzerg (2): Epishade, The_Templar, TheKingOfTheCats, GlowingBear mtamburini (2): HaruRH, NydusHerMainNot voting (1): Jabberwockzerg Still looking at Epi Hobbitus Templar and knowing that Teemu is mafia, Im more inclined to believe that mafia would bus eachother on that day so Im going to live in the world where Epi is town leaving me with Templar and Hobbitus as potential scum. With the possibilty of their still being 3 scum alive ill toss tehpoofter into the mix as a third mafia but at the bottom of the totenpole. Hobbitus changed his vote at EOD off of meatpudding to Epishade, from the prospective I was living in with Teemu being town for pulling off a town to vote someone else I cant 100% consider as I have been proven wrong that scum can do this. This just makes me believe Epi is more town and that mafia tried to hammer him EOD and hoped another town voted on him to get him lynched. On June 29 2014 14:46 Amiko wrote:Day 3 - Final Vote Count The_Templar (2)GlowingBear, Hobbitus, mtamburini, Tehpoofter, mtamburini, Hobbitus Epishade (3): HaruRH, GlowingBear, HaruRH, The_Templar, TehPoofter, HaruRHMeatpudding (1): Epishade, Teemursu, mtamburiniTeemursu (3*): Meatpudding, Epishade, Epishade, GlowingBear, Epishade, GlowingBear Hobbitus (0): HaruRHHaruRH (0): Hobbitus, Epishade, TehPoofter, TehPoofter, GlowingBearmtamburini (0): TehPoofter, GlowingBear, HaruRH, EpishadeNot Voting (0): No one So yesterday votes are kinda telling that TEMPLAR NEED TO BE LYNCHED For one I strongly believe that Epi and Teemu cannot be scum together and Templar voted on EPI in a tied vote where Teemu flipped scum, Glowingbear being the last vote on Teemu I dont think can be scum as all he had to do was pull off and vote someone else and Epi wouldve been lynched. Again I know this theory has been disproven already but in the situation that we were in or couldve been in with it being LYLO I think mafia is more likely to go for the win rather than bus. Lets lynch Templar and then tomorrow we can hunt for more scum ##VOTE TEMPLAR ##UnvoteThis is a much better post from you than I was expecting. You know, actually playing the game instead of bitching is a pretty good strategy. However, I don't like that you pinpoint me as the only suspicious person in the vote. On day 2, Tehpoofter voted Nydus early on, and despite being extremely active during that day, simply did not ever change his vote. Yes, that looks worse in hindsight than it did in day 2, but then look at day 3. Poof does literally the opposite, stirring up confusing in the voting and trying to get people away from someone. At no point did he vote Teemu, and he voted Haru twice. If he is mafia, he ultimately failed to get people to not focus on Teemu. Now, concerning Epishade… In day 2, Nydus/jabber had 3+ votes for the last hour and a half and Epishade and Teemu had 1 each. It is perfectly reasonable for them, if they were both scum, to vote each other in order to prevent any suspicion in case one of them gets lynched. Note also how Epishade unvoted Teemu and then revoted him after a brief vote on the slightly suspicious jabber, as if he wasn't sure. Then in day 3, he kept unvoting Teemu AGAIN. At this point the voting was very chaotic and the host was having trouble keeping track of the votes so it's possible he made a mistake.
In addition, you completely ignore GlowingBear, who switches votes a lot in day 3 without too much explanation.All of these are possibilities. However, I'm still inclined that one or two of you/Poofter/GlowingBear is more likely because of your previous inclination to keep things chaotic at the EOD. Are you serious? (1) Are you still considering me as scum even after My decisive vote against Teemu and after I explained I was sheeping tehpoofter? (2) You put a good point concerning poof. I'll be reevaluating my read on him
In case you haven't noticed, I've been suspecting everyone except the guy who claimed cop.
(1) My reasoning on you is a bit thin, I will admit. Although, it was difficult to tell what was going on when you were switching votes along with Poof and Epishade and the host was not there. In fact, when I was reading through the next morning, I didn't realize Teemu was even close to being lynched until it was brought up. It's always possible that mafia's made a mistake; we all know the town has made a lot.
(2) As I've said, I'm not so sure about Poof anymore. He comes in at EOD and starts being really active, and then disappears, and he never voted Teemu (understandable considering he was defending him all game).
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On July 02 2014 12:36 Tehpoofter wrote:HAI why not tambo?
Because.
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On July 02 2014 12:37 Amiko wrote:Vote Count – Day 4 The_Templar (4): GlowingBear, Epishade, Hobbitus, mtamburini, GlowingBear HaruRH (0): HobbitusTehpoofter (0): HaruRH, GlowingBearMtamburini (2): Tehpoofter, HaruRH, The_TemplarHobbitus (1): The_Templar Not voting (0): The vast emptiness of space
Currently, The_Templar is set to be lynched with 4 votes.
As a reminder for resolving ties - a player becomes the new lynch target when that player has more votes than anyone else.
Please contact the mods if the vote count is incorrect. Thank you!
Day 4 will end in (04:00 GMT (+00:00)).
The vast emptiness of space will get modkilled, hope it votes someone
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On July 02 2014 12:43 Tehpoofter wrote:
##unvote
##Vote The_templar
^^The above vote is for literally no reason.
Well you never know, everyone else could suddenly realize that I must be town and vote someone else.
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On July 02 2014 12:43 mtamburini wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2014 12:36 Tehpoofter wrote:On July 02 2014 12:35 The_Templar wrote:
screw it
##Vote: Hobbitus HAI why not tambo? Cause im Town bitch
Bitch please.
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By the way, I think I vastly prefer hosting to playing, less stress >.>
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##Unvote
##Vote: The_Templar
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On July 02 2014 12:44 Tehpoofter wrote:
TEmplar is town going to lose by killing you?
Maybe
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On July 02 2014 12:45 Epishade wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2014 12:44 The_Templar wrote:
By the way, I think I vastly prefer hosting to playing, less stress >.> When have you hosted before?
I'm co-hosting here.
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On July 02 2014 12:45 Tehpoofter wrote:
HOW NERVOUS IS EVERYONE THAT THE PERSON CLAIMING COP AND THE GUY WERE VOTING ON ARE THE ONLY TWO NOT ON THIS WAGON??
WRONG.
I'm on the wagon too.
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On July 02 2014 12:46 Tehpoofter wrote:NVM just the cop not on this now were good. Hold fast town
Maybe he is asleep. It's 11:45am where he is though
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On July 02 2014 12:47 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2014 12:46 The_Templar wrote:On July 02 2014 12:45 Tehpoofter wrote:
HOW NERVOUS IS EVERYONE THAT THE PERSON CLAIMING COP AND THE GUY WERE VOTING ON ARE THE ONLY TWO NOT ON THIS WAGON?? WRONG. I'm on the wagon too. I see that.
Oh and the vast emptiness of space is not voting either. What's with that guy?
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On July 02 2014 12:48 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2014 12:47 Amiko wrote:Vote Count – Day 4 The_Templar (6): GlowingBear, Epishade, Hobbitus, mtamburini, GlowingBear, Tehpoofter, The_Templar HaruRH (0): HobbitusTehpoofter (0): HaruRH, GlowingBearMtamburini (1): Tehpoofter, HaruRH, The_TemplarHobbitus (0): The_TemplarNot voting (0): The vast emptiness of space
Currently, The_Templar is set to be lynched with 6 votes.
As a reminder for resolving ties - a player becomes the new lynch target when that player has more votes than anyone else.
Please contact the mods if the vote count is incorrect. Thank you!
Day 4 will end in (04:00 GMT (+00:00)). I'm going to switch my vote around a bunch just to mess with you. ##unvote
##Vote: Hobbitus
SEEEEEEEMS LEGIT
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See this is why I suspected Tehpoofter. You guys.
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##Unvote
##Vote: Tehpoofter
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Hey Hobbitus/GlowingBear what do you think about Tehpoofter's vote switching?
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On July 02 2014 12:51 mtamburini wrote:
holy moly wtf has happened
Tehpoofter suspects that everyone is mafia.
This setup actually has 5 mafia, the game ended a while ago and the host is trolling you guys
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On July 02 2014 12:52 Amiko wrote:
I'll fix the counts :<
however if tehpoofter is randomly killed in the flavor text who will know the difference
I think you should, he's mafia. Guys, we need to switch to him.
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On July 02 2014 12:55 Epishade wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2014 12:52 The_Templar wrote:On July 02 2014 12:51 mtamburini wrote:
holy moly wtf has happened Tehpoofter suspects that everyone is mafia. This setup actually has 5 mafia, the game ended a while ago and the host is trolling you guys I pmed BlazingFist about starting a game where everyone is town but didn't know there weren't mafia, and lynches would show up town one day and then scum the next until lylo. Then people who died and people in the obs chat could vote on someone to shoot in the night to confuse people even more lol. Last 2 people left won.
What about a game where there's just 3-4 town and 12 mafia, but the towns are all masons and the mafia don't know who each other are. To make it balanced we can give the masons 1KP each night and mafia 0KP (except for the GF).
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##Unvote
##Vote: The_Templar
I always wanted to help lynch myself.
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Yeah I probably should have claimed jailor after I was nailed to the wall. But I thought it was more likely the town would make a mistake later if I didn't.
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I claimed being jailed N1, I could have said I was jailor looking to look like a non-blue to the mafia
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On July 05 2014 13:25 Lord Tolkien wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2014 13:23 The_Templar wrote:
I claimed being jailed N1, I could have said I was jailor looking to look like a non-blue to the mafia Yes, but then Haru claimed being roleblocked and not jailed, and posted that before you posted your jailing claim (I believe). the logic wouldn't have worked out, what purpose would Haru have to say roleblock instead of jail D2?
He claimed jailed…?
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On July 05 2014 13:44 GlowingBear wrote:
What "rekt" means?
"wrecked"
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On July 06 2014 00:51 Hobbitus wrote:
GG. Shout out to the scum team, you guys pretty much had the game except for a little bad luck. Also, Meatpudding should get some kind of award for hanging tough in the face of adversity.
He should get an award for figuring out the entire scum team on day 1 in his first game ^.^
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On July 06 2014 07:46 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2014 07:04 Amiko wrote:More co-host thoughts:
Coaching-Related NotesIn newbie games the use of coaches really varies. I always tended to try to talk with my coaches a lot, even to just share some of my current thoughts. It’s up to players if they want to reveal their coach QT, but I’ll state that the coach usage was relatively low. Partly this is because of modkills & replacements (replacements had more experience, so didn’t have coaches). As a co-host, I really enjoyed skimming Glowingbear’s CoachQT with Iamperfection. I don’t feel any of the coaches were bad (most players didn’t use their coaches much, if at all) but I give Iamperfection particular credit because (1) his coaching immediately encouraged his players to see vanilla town as a powerful role for town, and (2) he gave really thought-provoking answers without tying them into the game at all . To be more player-focused, I really felt GlowingBear’s play evolved a lot once Iamperfection asked open-ended questions like “What would be a scum mindset?” and helped think explain the idea as: town mindset- Lynch Scum
Scum mindset- Dont get lynched In this game, the mafia had a lot of presence on Day 1. Most players seemed to feel the scum players were towny – even the exceptions like meatpudding didn’t seem likely to push to lynch any mafia players as suspects. I really felt that this shift from GlowingBear (along with suspicions from GlowingBear and Epishade) was vital to build enough of a consensus to start lynching into the scumteam. I don't say this as criticism of the players at all, but I'd really encourage you guys to engage your coaches when possible! You won't get direct answers, but sometimes they'll help you analyze some things in the game you might not have thought to analyze.
Some ScumslipsI wasn't actively looking for scumslips, but I there were two things that caught my eye: - Haru on MeatpuddingI mentioned above that coaches can help you analyze things you might not have thought about. I felt the players in this game did not really attempt to analyze Haru's cop claim. People didn't seem to look to consider whether the people he checked made sense, or whether he seemed to act in accordance with the only check he obtained. So, Haru claimed to have copchecked meatpudding as green on Night 2.
But on day 3, he lists meatpudding in his top scumreads.http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/450895-newbie-mini-mafia-lvi?page=86#1719- The_Templar on jabberwockzerghttp://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/450895-newbie-mini-mafia-lvi?page=84#1666This is arguably not a scumslip. But, The_Templar justifies putting jabberwockzerg as scummy because “Jabber has been more scummy recently” on page 84. The last time jabber had talked was on page 67 – he really hadn’t done anything recently, scummy or not. This isn’t as much of a direct red flag (maybe jabber is more scummy because he hasn’t been talking?) but it really looked like a fabricated read to me.
If you'd like to check it: http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/GZTRE9im68RMtThat was completely true, Amiko. I was feeling completely lost when the game begun. Then this mindest post from perfection made me analyze filters from another POV. That insight was the one who caused my reads to flip, Haru. Following that insight, Templar started looking suspicious to me. You and Teemu also but I felt you were contributing more than other people, and I just didn't like the idea of Teemu being scum. You know, he called me "adorable". I was flattered And for the #1 point Amiko told about Iamperfection, this is one of his posts when I asked if I should try to misread someone as blue at n1 so mafia would waste a shot: "so your definitely overvaluing a blue role over just being a good townie. I dont think you realize just how powerful a simple vt can be. Look at it this way as how i think it would appear to me if you did something like that. I would probably think you are blue fishing and might be therefore more likely to be scum. how does that help town? Plus you have to weigh it against the potential gain. You doing an act that could potentially hurt your standing with the town on the off chance that maybe the mafia will shoot someone you think isnt blue which could be potentially wrong anyways? Doesn't sound like a winning play to me."
That's why I considered pushing you when you mentioned it.
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