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On June 23 2014 08:34 GlowingBear wrote:@TheKingOfCats Yes, quoting some of them. Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 20:41 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Hello people, i have a stupid username. I've been playing mafia on OMGUS (TL's evil twin that's locked in the basement and fed a bucket of fish heads every night) since last october. Between then and now i was somehow voted season 2 best town so if my play is terrible it's pretty much a certainty that i'm scum.  This is what appeared the most scummy for me even if it was an introduction. I'll repeat what I said in my first post: "TheKingOfCats has a suspicious way of introducing himself while saying that he was considered best town twice. It seems like he was trying to set up an "atmosphere" so when he starts to reveal his reads on possible scummys people might think he is doing it right, as he was considered best town anywhere else and, so, he might be town again this time. Kind of a scummy way to blend in town." Then this: Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 20:57 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 20:48 HaruRH wrote:On June 21 2014 20:41 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Hello people, i have a stupid username. I've been playing mafia on OMGUS (TL's evil twin that's locked in the basement and fed a bucket of fish heads every night) since last october. Between then and now i was somehow voted season 2 best town so if my play is terrible it's pretty much a certainty that i'm scum. Yea your scum play is horrible, to the extent of nearly being modkilled. I hope you aren't going to afk :/ I should be more active this game because i actually know how to play town. I was quiet in my last game because i have no idea what i'm doing as scum.How was i nearly modkilled in that game? You're saying that you should be more active this game because you're town, and that you were quiet before because you didn't know how to play scum yet. It seems that you were arguing that now that you know how to play scum, you will be more active as how you act as when you are town. And what do you do next? Becomes active, but asking vague questions. Like the following: + Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 22:46 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. Are you saying you don't post much in mafia games or on forums in general? On June 21 2014 22:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 22:46 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. I don't like this. What don't you like about it? On June 22 2014 05:50 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 04:30 scott31337 wrote:On June 21 2014 23:55 The_Templar wrote:On June 21 2014 23:54 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 21 2014 22:48 Solar424 wrote:
Hello. I am new to TL, and this is the first time playing Mafia online, bu I know the rules. Feeling a bit rushed, spelling error, no details, I think you are scum Do you often talk And make all of your scum reads In haiku format? That could get very annoying very quickly. I like the haiku posting, I can see where it would get annoying quickly though, maybe to change the subject? ... Do you have any thoughts on anyone else? Me, teemursu and meatpudding perhaps? These, for me, looks so much like someone who is trying to cover his mafia play by saying he can't play scum at all because he stays quiet, then starts being active to justify his town, when he probably isn't. And I don't remember who tried to cover you who I had slight scumread on him atm, it sounded like this person was trying to cover you, that's what gave me more feelings that you're mafia. That's it
First of all in the intros people were posting people were stating how many games of mafia they had played, i was just doing the same. Saying that i'm pre-emptively trying to sway peoples votes by pointing out that i may have a bit more experience then them is stupid because a bad push by a more experienced player will still be bad at the end of the day and people aren't going to say "well he was X so obviously he's right this time".
As for the second thing people don't miraculously "know" how to play play scum overnight. As town you have no idea of peoples alignments where as scum you know that the people you're pushing are town and you have to twist things to get them lynched, they demand two completely different playstyles and it's difficult to make your scum game look like your town game unless you've played scum a lot. As for "asking vague questions" well at the beginning of D1 you have nothing to go on, you can't get reads on people if they don't post anything so you have to ask people anything for the simple goal of getting them to post and giving out information, even if it seems trivial it's something to try to get the ball rolling.
Also that last post of mine you quoted wasn't trivial.
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On June 23 2014 09:06 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 08:34 GlowingBear wrote:@TheKingOfCats Yes, quoting some of them. On June 21 2014 20:41 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Hello people, i have a stupid username. I've been playing mafia on OMGUS (TL's evil twin that's locked in the basement and fed a bucket of fish heads every night) since last october. Between then and now i was somehow voted season 2 best town so if my play is terrible it's pretty much a certainty that i'm scum. This is what appeared the most scummy for me even if it was an introduction. I'll repeat what I said in my first post: "TheKingOfCats has a suspicious way of introducing himself while saying that he was considered best town twice. It seems like he was trying to set up an "atmosphere" so when he starts to reveal his reads on possible scummys people might think he is doing it right, as he was considered best town anywhere else and, so, he might be town again this time. Kind of a scummy way to blend in town." Then this: On June 21 2014 20:57 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 20:48 HaruRH wrote:On June 21 2014 20:41 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Hello people, i have a stupid username. I've been playing mafia on OMGUS (TL's evil twin that's locked in the basement and fed a bucket of fish heads every night) since last october. Between then and now i was somehow voted season 2 best town so if my play is terrible it's pretty much a certainty that i'm scum. Yea your scum play is horrible, to the extent of nearly being modkilled. I hope you aren't going to afk :/ I should be more active this game because i actually know how to play town. I was quiet in my last game because i have no idea what i'm doing as scum.How was i nearly modkilled in that game? You're saying that you should be more active this game because you're town, and that you were quiet before because you didn't know how to play scum yet. It seems that you were arguing that now that you know how to play scum, you will be more active as how you act as when you are town. And what do you do next? Becomes active, but asking vague questions. Like the following: + Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 22:46 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. Are you saying you don't post much in mafia games or on forums in general? On June 21 2014 22:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 22:46 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. I don't like this. What don't you like about it? On June 22 2014 05:50 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 04:30 scott31337 wrote:On June 21 2014 23:55 The_Templar wrote:On June 21 2014 23:54 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 21 2014 22:48 Solar424 wrote:
Hello. I am new to TL, and this is the first time playing Mafia online, bu I know the rules. Feeling a bit rushed, spelling error, no details, I think you are scum Do you often talk And make all of your scum reads In haiku format? That could get very annoying very quickly. I like the haiku posting, I can see where it would get annoying quickly though, maybe to change the subject? ... Do you have any thoughts on anyone else? Me, teemursu and meatpudding perhaps? These, for me, looks so much like someone who is trying to cover his mafia play by saying he can't play scum at all because he stays quiet, then starts being active to justify his town, when he probably isn't. And I don't remember who tried to cover you who I had slight scumread on him atm, it sounded like this person was trying to cover you, that's what gave me more feelings that you're mafia. That's it First of all in the intros people were posting people were stating how many games of mafia they had played, i was just doing the same. Saying that i'm pre-emptively trying to sway peoples votes by pointing out that i may have a bit more experience then them is stupid because a bad push by a more experienced player will still be bad at the end of the day and people aren't going to say "well he was X so obviously he's right this time". As for the second thing people don't miraculously "know" how to play play scum overnight. As town you have no idea of peoples alignments where as scum you know that the people you're pushing are town and you have to twist things to get them lynched, they demand two completely different playstyles and it's difficult to make your scum game look like your town game unless you've played scum a lot. As for "asking vague questions" well at the beginning of D1 you have nothing to go on, you can't get reads on people if they don't post anything so you have to ask people anything for the simple goal of getting them to post and giving out information, even if it seems trivial it's something to try to get the ball rolling. Also that last post of mine you quoted wasn't trivial.
I get your point, but it sounded like you were really trying to set up this "atmosphere" (English is not my first language and I'm missing the word here, but I think I could give the right idea).
You have a good point and I may have to re-read your posts, specially your recent posts so I could get a better idea of your possible alignment, but I can't, by now, change my read based on the assumptions I have presented. I still have a bad impression of how you opened your game.
(Also, I'm on mobile now, drinking beer, so it will be hard to organise and make deeper posts ATM XD)
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On June 22 2014 17:49 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
yoyoyoyo whats up guys!
im the mystery of the meat! i know quite a few people here, teemu and nydus from vid mafia, epishade my self-proclaimed pretend to be best friend, and templar from blogs and stuff. Just from reading throug the last couple of pages
current reads:
THE_TEMPLAR:
he likes my blogs which is a pretty big plus one
I don't like how he links his mafia play filter. IMO its pretty scummy people who do it. ITs like guys this is how i play mafia, don't worry i can't possibly change my play and fool you guys. THE_Templar and one other posted their filters, which seemed pretty scummy.
I read Scott's posts and didn't really see any reason to vote on him. However its forum mafia, so voting 20 hours before deadline isn't that big of a deal as you can always switch. Don't mind him pressuring scott either.
King of the cats:
I honestly really don't like him, seems super scummy, in one of his arguments on lynching, he mentions that he doesn't care about alignment. If you can push a mislynch day1, then you can kill a stronger player in the night. Top scum at the moment.
Hobbitus:
Mentions its his first game. Considering this is a newbie game, makes sense that he would post it. However i don't really like that he posted that. He also blows stuff up. all in all, don't like his post buts its not enough to give a solid read on. leaning town.
Teemu:
excels at finding scum day1, perfectly alright with pinging people out. Also votes can change, at this point i feel like votes are just to pressure people. And in my experience, votes made closer to deadline mean a whole lot more.
meatpudding:
leaning town, didn't jump on any bandwagons, however its self-proclaimed which i don't really like.
Nydus:
seems pretty town, he's making reads, and he was a bit trolly at the begining with the haikus but switched into serious mode.
Every one else, just from a quick read through didn't stand out too much, or i forgot to post about them.
for now though, i'll vote on cat, as i think he's pretty scummy.
##VOTE: TheKingOfCats
Oh hey, just realized you were talking about me.
I don't really think it's that scummy to post my filter imo. I had briefly skimmed through the thread before I posted (and planned on reading more-in depth afterwards) and saw that Templar had posted his past mafia experience, so I figured that that would be a good thing to add. I figured it wouldn't hurt, giving people more information to form their own opinions on me. I see your point that you might think that I'd want people to look at my past town behavior so I could replicate that this game and trick them though. I can really only say that that's not what I meant by including that.
I'd put you in my town pile for now, MightyMeat. One thing I wouldn't expect a mafia to do would be to spot that 2 people had both mentioned past game experience and draw a connection between them this early. Usually I think that mafia would be content to lynch just about anybody D1 without caring about forming a connection, as that can always be done easier later when lynches and night shots have been made. The fact that you made that connection puts you in town for me. That seems like something a town would be actively looking for, while a scum probably wouldn't be.
I've seen a bunch of people posting about Cats so far. I'm gonna look at that next I suppose.
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On June 23 2014 08:49 Hobbitus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 08:28 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:
Ok can everyone that thinks i'm scum please state why because the only reasons i'm seeing are that i haven't been contributing much. The fact that i said that i would be giving considerably less fucks that usual about this game before it started seems to have been ignored plus if anyone actually bothered to skim the filter from the other game i posted they would see that i, as town, did precisely fuck all during the first half of D1. So if you have any other reasons to think i'm scummy please tell me. I know none of you know my meta but i know that i don't generally do a lot the first half of D1 as either alignment so saying i'm scummy for it is kind of annoying me. Whoa there, bucko. If you don't give reads, regardless of your meta, you are going to look suspicious. Instead of getting pissy that people are (quite reasonably) suspicious of you, why don't you give us some reads? Other than on MM, you haven't done so, and I suspect the only reason you did so for him was so you had someone to vote on. THAT seems scummy to me.
I don't make long posts where i list everyone that's playing and say if i think they're slightly X or slightly Y because of Z. It's just not the way i play. I pick out things that i think need addressing and run with them. I push my strongest scumreads and only point out why i think people are town if they're looking like they might get lynched. Doing anything else seems like a waste of time to me.
As an aside if you ignore your scumread on me (just humour me, assume i'm town for the time being) what do you think of my points against MysteryMeat?
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On June 23 2014 07:00 Hobbitus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 06:43 Lord Tolkien wrote:
*final appended note, I'm unsure about Teemu now. A change from my solid town read earlier, though I think I need to reread his filter a couple more times. Please share your thoughts after you read his filter! I am not quite sure what to think about him (slightly scummy for now), and would love a second opinion. Or teemu could just post some more.
Alright, reviewing it from the top, I really just don't feel he's been forward with his opinions in the second half. The majority of his posts have been pressing questions and opinions from people, which is fine, but he hasn't done much after that.
On June 22 2014 16:15 Teemursu wrote:
TOWN:
Nydus
jabber
LEANING TOWN:
Scott
Templar
FENCE:
TheKingOfCats
LEANING SCUM:
Meatpudding
SCUM:
Get to posting!
Not sure yet where I should put Haru yet. I will read his filter in a few hours, but so far I'm leaning town on him.
Some explanation for some of the reads would be greatly appreciated. Specifically jabber.
Also, quick response to Glowbear:
I think he has no grounds on Scott and his "lynch all lurkers" policy worries me. As one of the guides said, it's a common blue strategy to lurk. But that's not the main point.
The main point is: if you are Mafia and you have Mafia partners lurking, would you risk forcing this "lynch all lurkers" policy? I don't think so. Now, if you are Mafia and all your partners are on the game, what would you do? Force the policy so you could lynch a blue, as lurking is a common blue strategy.
Moreover, if you are convincend I am town, this means that lurkers definetely weren't all Mafia, which would mean that Mafia strategy of lynching lurkers is a huge possibility.
Again, saying "As for the possibility of hitting a lurking blue role or whatever, it is a risk" worries me the most. Would you take the risk to take a cop out of the game instead of trying to identify active scum?
Because of these, I have a strong scumread on Tolkien He is still forcing this policy by now.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/301748-a-general-guide-to-mafia
When you find out that you have a blue role, the general knee-jerk reaction is that you are too important to the town to risk being lynched or shot by the mafia. This can cause people with blue roles to lurk and exhibit posts that suggest “fear”. However, a good player with a blue role will appear exactly like he is a townie, though this is not easy to do. When you have a blue role, you should be posting as if you are a townie. The only difference is that you are more well-informed than other townies. Use that knowledge to aid the town without letting a feeling of your importance as a blue role alter your posting habits.
If you are lurking as a blue, YOU'RE NOT PLAYING WELL. All you're doing is drawing attention to yourself by conspicuously not posting anything. There is no tangible benefit to lurking for town, as we can't figure out alignment and shit. PLAYING BLUE IS NOT AN EXCUSE FOR PLAYING BAD. So if I have to light a fire under your arses, fine. For D1, this is a perfectly sound policy.
Anything regarding my push onto Scott is well-tread ground, so unless you have anything new to ask or to add, that's a beaten horse.
It's a difficult vote for me right now. Until I get an acceptable defense that isn't an OMGUS, meatpudding is a pretty scummy candidate no matter my potential misgivings of Teemu. The only other option for me I is jabberwocky given the aforementioned discrepancies in his filter and shifting opinions. I want an explanation for it, but it's far less egregious than meatpudding's posts. Which are basically just OMGUS, and pretty useless from a town standpoint. A vote on meatpudding would additionally clear up my muddled picture of Teemu, and a few others, who are currently on him, based on his flip.
But it also feels bluntly plausible that' he's just a poor newbie who's struggling to learn the game, since he's pretty blatantly OMGUSing here. But then again he'll be useless in that case so...
Well, actually I really like Cats' recent posts and I agree with him on MysteryMeat's apparent discrepancy about our lynching policy towards non-contribution and lurkers. I'd like him to respond to it, because it's a pretty glaring difference when I was way more over the top with my stance on the issue. Probably a D2 case to bring up overall, but I actually VERY much like the case Cats brought up.
I also didn't notice that we both proposed the same policy, him bringing it up first. Outside of the apparent frenzy over his introduction, he's leaning town to me now.
Noticeably:
King of the cats:
I honestly really don't like him, seems super scummy, in one of his arguments on lynching, he mentions that he doesn't care about alignment. If you can push a mislynch day1, then you can kill a stronger player in the night. Top scum at the moment.
tolkien: The only thing i didn't like was that he said he didn't like cats or meatpudding, and i felt like his post read that he didn't like cats more, but then he votes on meatpudding, Find it a little weird, but nothing other than that.
Ok you know what, fuck it.
It is a VERY glaring inconsistency for MysteryMeat1 to condemn Cats for the possibility of a mislynch and not my push. The post is too reminiscent of my experience with N1k0 in my first TL mafia game. As much as I hate it since I really do want to lynch meatpudding for being a useless fucker, but...
##Vote MysteryMeat1
It's a tough choice, honestly. Moderately strong scum read vs. scummy read/pretty useless contributor. But this is what my gut says.
Also, glumly awaiting modkills on the 2 inactives (or a swap; 2 modkills is fucking brutal).
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I'll have you guys know I spent probably a good 20 minutes agonizing over whose meat to eat,
But my scum read on MysteryMeat1 outweighs what I feel about meatpudding.
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Ok, so, can someone explain why Nydus and MightyMeat are voting on Cats again? I had a slight feeling on Meat being townie for me, but I read through Cats' filter and didn't see anything that really looked scummy to me, so I find it hard to justify a Cats vote unless I missed something.
Would like an explanation from those 2 again why they voted on Cats.
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okay first thing's first:
##: Unvote
I voted pudding because, honestly, he was the first person with a wagon that I could remember. I was trying to save my stupid ass from a modkill.
I understand that it looks scummy.
I'll get on reading through filters and give my thoughts on the meat situation ASAP
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On June 23 2014 09:19 Epishade wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 17:49 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
yoyoyoyo whats up guys!
im the mystery of the meat! i know quite a few people here, teemu and nydus from vid mafia, epishade my self-proclaimed pretend to be best friend, and templar from blogs and stuff. Just from reading throug the last couple of pages
current reads:
THE_TEMPLAR:
he likes my blogs which is a pretty big plus one
I don't like how he links his mafia play filter. IMO its pretty scummy people who do it. ITs like guys this is how i play mafia, don't worry i can't possibly change my play and fool you guys. THE_Templar and one other posted their filters, which seemed pretty scummy.
I read Scott's posts and didn't really see any reason to vote on him. However its forum mafia, so voting 20 hours before deadline isn't that big of a deal as you can always switch. Don't mind him pressuring scott either.
King of the cats:
I honestly really don't like him, seems super scummy, in one of his arguments on lynching, he mentions that he doesn't care about alignment. If you can push a mislynch day1, then you can kill a stronger player in the night. Top scum at the moment.
Hobbitus:
Mentions its his first game. Considering this is a newbie game, makes sense that he would post it. However i don't really like that he posted that. He also blows stuff up. all in all, don't like his post buts its not enough to give a solid read on. leaning town.
Teemu:
excels at finding scum day1, perfectly alright with pinging people out. Also votes can change, at this point i feel like votes are just to pressure people. And in my experience, votes made closer to deadline mean a whole lot more.
meatpudding:
leaning town, didn't jump on any bandwagons, however its self-proclaimed which i don't really like.
Nydus:
seems pretty town, he's making reads, and he was a bit trolly at the begining with the haikus but switched into serious mode.
Every one else, just from a quick read through didn't stand out too much, or i forgot to post about them.
for now though, i'll vote on cat, as i think he's pretty scummy.
##VOTE: TheKingOfCats Oh hey, just realized you were talking about me. I don't really think it's that scummy to post my filter imo. I had briefly skimmed through the thread before I posted (and planned on reading more-in depth afterwards) and saw that Templar had posted his past mafia experience, so I figured that that would be a good thing to add. I figured it wouldn't hurt, giving people more information to form their own opinions on me. I see your point that you might think that I'd want people to look at my past town behavior so I could replicate that this game and trick them though. I can really only say that that's not what I meant by including that. I'd put you in my town pile for now, MightyMeat. One thing I wouldn't expect a mafia to do would be to spot that 2 people had both mentioned past game experience and draw a connection between them this early. Usually I think that mafia would be content to lynch just about anybody D1 without caring about forming a connection, as that can always be done easier later when lynches and night shots have been made. The fact that you made that connection puts you in town for me. That seems like something a town would be actively looking for, while a scum probably wouldn't be. I've seen a bunch of people posting about Cats so far. I'm gonna look at that next I suppose.
He wasn't drawing connections between you two. He was saying that you, me (because i posted a filter from a past game too) and Templar were scummy for doing something that isn't alignment indicative not that you and Templar were scum together.
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MysteryMeat is voting on him because Cat talked about being fine to lynch meatpudding if he proves useless. I agree with him. That's the entire basis of his case and vote against him, and as Cat notes, ITS GLARINGLY INCONSISTENT when I actually pushed a case on someone solely for the shoddy quality of their contributions, and the most he says about me is "nothing much, I think he thought Cats was scummier than meatpudding and swapped and then voted someone else, IDK".
what the flying fuck.
Nydus: Nothing concrete. Which is why he's strarting to trend scummy for me.
I find it weird that TheKingOfCats' first reaction is to question Teemu on a supposed "null read" when I feel like MeatPudding saying that TheKingOfCats is trying to lynch him (pretty much saying that TheKingOfCats has a scum read on him) is a much scummier thing.
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On June 23 2014 09:20 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 08:49 Hobbitus wrote:On June 23 2014 08:28 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:
Ok can everyone that thinks i'm scum please state why because the only reasons i'm seeing are that i haven't been contributing much. The fact that i said that i would be giving considerably less fucks that usual about this game before it started seems to have been ignored plus if anyone actually bothered to skim the filter from the other game i posted they would see that i, as town, did precisely fuck all during the first half of D1. So if you have any other reasons to think i'm scummy please tell me. I know none of you know my meta but i know that i don't generally do a lot the first half of D1 as either alignment so saying i'm scummy for it is kind of annoying me. Whoa there, bucko. If you don't give reads, regardless of your meta, you are going to look suspicious. Instead of getting pissy that people are (quite reasonably) suspicious of you, why don't you give us some reads? Other than on MM, you haven't done so, and I suspect the only reason you did so for him was so you had someone to vote on. THAT seems scummy to me. I don't make long posts where i list everyone that's playing and say if i think they're slightly X or slightly Y because of Z. It's just not the way i play. I pick out things that i think need addressing and run with them. I push my strongest scumreads and only point out why i think people are town if they're looking like they might get lynched. Doing anything else seems like a waste of time to me. As an aside if you ignore your scumread on me (just humour me, assume i'm town for the time being) what do you think of my points against MysteryMeat?
That's fine, not everyone's play style needs to be the same, and yes, it is super time consuming  But it's weird to not post any reads until close to the deadline, and then to only post one. Even two would be much better, so I know you aren't scum keeping your options open. So you think MM is mafia, who is your second in line? How is not pressuring anyone other than your scummiest scum beneficial to the town? We both know that it's most likely that meatpudding will be lynched tonight, and if we don't see MM flip, we really have no information on you at all. Do you see where I'm coming from?
If you are town, I agree that MM does seem a little scummy, thus my on the fence read. His main post seems really careless, picking out really trivial stuff to base his reads off of, just like he's not putting in a lot of effort. Bad town or mafia? Dunno. As for his attack on you specifically, I think it was as fairly baseless as his reads on everyone else. I don't know if that's enough to vote him though.
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Vote Count – Day 1
scott31337 (1): Lord Tolkein, The_Templar, scott31337
Lord Tolkien (0): HaruRH
TheKingOfTheCats (2): NydusHerMain, MysteryMeat1
meatpudding (5): Teemursu, scott31337, HaruRH, The_Templar, jabberwockzerg, Epishade, GlowingBear
HaruRH (1): meatpudding
jabberwockzerg (1): Hobbitus
MysteryMeat1 (2): TheKingOfTheCats, Lord Tolkien
Not voting (3): Solar424, BlondeMocha, jabberwockzerg
Currently, meatpudding is set to be lynched with 5 votes.
As a reminder for resolving ties - a player becomes the new lynch target when that player has more votes than anyone else.
Please contact the mods if the vote count is incorrect. Thank you!
Day 1 will end in (04:00 GMT (+00:00)).
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Wow, I really didn't realize that cats and tolkien acted so similiarly o_0 Hmm
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On June 23 2014 09:47 Hobbitus wrote:
Wow, I really didn't realize that cats and tolkien acted so similiarly o_0 Hmm
Yeah, that's a really good point that I didn't consider. Tolkien did it a lot better though, I think.
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On June 23 2014 09:47 Hobbitus wrote:
Wow, I really didn't realize that cats and tolkien acted so similiarly o_0 Hmm
Neither did I until I read Cats' rebuttal post.
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On June 23 2014 09:48 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 09:47 Hobbitus wrote:
Wow, I really didn't realize that cats and tolkien acted so similiarly o_0 Hmm Yeah, that's a really good point that I didn't consider. Tolkien did it a lot better though, I think.
edit: Tolkien played it a lot better
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Yep. The fact he picks up on Cats pushing for a lynch of non-contributors as his case and NOT ME is absurdly impossible if he's viewing everything consistently.
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But I'm still stuck in the same position then: is he scum or bad town? Tolkien, you'll vote him either way, why should I?
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As I said, it's a tough choice. You have to pick which meat you want.
I noted my decision-making process here. The absurd inconsistency is just FAR too big of a warning bell for me.
meatpudding is acceptable I think as well, but I can plausibly think of him far more as just a bad town, what with blatant OMGUSing and ridiculous plays like voting Haru.
MysteryMeat's contribution is him trying to pose as normal town when he hasn't been posting much. My (limited) experience with lurker scum is that they hide until the second half of Day 1 before posting a "reads" list, and giving a vote in the hopes it'll let them off the hook for any suspicion, and voting for a possible bandwagon based on the general feelings in the thread. Let's be real here, NO ONE in this thread thought I was scum until GlowingBear (I believe Haru had already removed his vote at the time), so he figured it'd be best to continue the trend. Cats a safe vote. A bandwagon on meatpudding, but Cats is under suspicion so his vote won't be heavily scruitinized D2 if meatpudding turns up green.
It's just impossible for him not to even MENTION that I pushed for a lynch on a player for being deadweight and being FINE with a mislynch if that happens, if that's why he's so bent on voting Cats. It's just ridiculously impossible, like holy shit.
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You can look at Newbie Mafia LII for something similar happening D1/D2, but perhaps he may just be a good D2 lynch.
Still waiting on a response from both of them: I need to hear something as I'm very much willing to change my vote here as it was difficult for me to choose.
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