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The thing about Poof brought up about Palmar is nothing I´d read into. Some more thoughts will follow later when I´m caught up. | ||
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On May 28 2014 22:07 Palmar wrote: join me in voting mtamburini mderg. I won´t do that. I think the mayor role actually matters and mtamburini did nothing except talk about rng. Definitely not getting my vote. | ||
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I really like bunnies´ play so far. It´s just screaming town to me. This would also mean that layabout is scum. Since layabout´s contributions are pretty much only pointing out common knowledge my cell seems straightforward to me. I don´t like how ritoky played the freedom thing at all. But his suggested cell order is well reasoned and makes sense. So I think he´s town and I may even consider voting for him as mayor. I don´t really like M_Z because he is so into the freedom thing and kinda buddied with ritoky. He also called the meta case on Palmar "a pretty damning meta case". IMO it´s something to look into but definitely not even close to a 100% scum tell. | ||
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On May 29 2014 01:12 27ninjabunnies wrote: So at first you weren't going to vote for ritoky as mayor, but now you are considering it. What about his cell order seems reasonable? Yeah, when I skimmed through this thread, only his freedom/murrica posts came to my mind but after reading carefully I saw that he also had serious posts and elaborated on his thought process. On May 28 2014 09:41 ritoky wrote: In all seriousness, I am trying to think about this game slightly different than a normal mafia game. I am trying to think about it in terms of the cells and getting strong reads on players in the cells. Outside of the fact that freedom and murrica declare that Cell A should go first, I know I am town and I think you have posted and done enough in the thread for me to get a strong read on you. Thrawn has yet to post, so I can't speak with certainty, but I think there is a wealth of information in the thread about Cell A for people to make informed reads on two of us already. The next Cells I would consider after A are C or B. Probably C before B. In regards to Cell C, I think there is something off about ShiaoPi's post where he was critical of those who were joking. I didn't really find that it added much to the game beyond complaining about the state of the game. To me his complaints are anti-freedom. If he doesn't like the state of the game, why didn't he push hard for it to change to a more serious tone instead of just pointing it out and walking away? HF, unfortunately, has done more to push a town than Shiao but I also find his avoidance of certain questions and topics (such as my campaign against him) to be questionable. Batsnacks hasn't posted. We will see about him, but I think that after Cell A which will be very clear cut, how people vote in regards to cell C will be highly informative. Currently, I am about that Shiao kill in C (although I sways toward HF the more anti-freedom he spews). Cell B would probably be next, although I could be convinced that it should go before C. I think poofter has pitted himself against Palmar in a very strong way, and I think WoS's response to that direction opposition of two people in his cell will be very alignment indicative for him. I like poofter currently, as he is in my murrica huddle. I like his case as a baseline for starting an extensive inquiry into Palmar. I think he also needs to bit of time to really flesh it out with gameplay support or watch it fall through. Which is why I would have him go 3rd. Currently, I am about that Palmar kill in B. The last two would be probably E then D as of right now. Simply because I think we have the least information about those two at the moment and I can't say I have particularly strong feelings about any of the people outside of bunnies in those groups. I could be convinced to push D up after group A into the 2nd spot if someone convinces me of that sick tambo read, cuz his post was strange. I think it was him trying to make a joke about golden sun, but it fell flat and was awk. Wanting his cell first makes sense, if he is pretty sure who the scum is in there. Even though I don´t agree with his read in that. His suspicion about ShiaoPi seemed warranted. Not a strong read but with the information from the first lynch I think one can make a good read of cell C. Cell B is the one I´m not sure about, so I wouldn´t put it at the start or the end. At that point there was little information on cell E, so putting it late seemed reasonable. Cell D was also not even close to figured out. At this point in the game I wouldn´t go with ritoky´s order anymore because the state of the game changed. When he suggested it it was reasonable, though. I think cell E and D should be earlier while cell C should be later on. So in case ritoky is willing to change the cell order to fit the ongoings and elaborates on his thoughts I´m willing to vote for him. If he wants to stick to his earlier suggestions, I´m not voting for him. | ||
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Hf´s mayor campaign seemed townie but at some point I started to find it strange how he didn´t want to take responsibility for the cell order. So my read on him is kinda null. batsnacks had some good guidelines about the cell order but it wasn´t really specific. I also didn´t agree with lynching the lowest contributing cells first. I´m slightly leaning towards town but I´m really not sure about that. ShiaoPi is like a huge question mark for me right now. So for me this is the last cell I´d want to go first. | ||
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Of course. | ||
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On May 29 2014 03:21 Holyflare wrote: well i didn't do that so whatever :D ^ On reflection this is really disingenuous. He starts by saying "Am i the only one here who wants cell C late" but not many people said C should go first. In fact, batsnacks is like the only person to say that and that was on the last page. If he DID in fact read the last page then what he said about batsnacks can't possibly be true. He just got specific and gave the order with C in front and explained his reasoning behind it. I also explained the order i'd like and reads on people and why I picked that order but he left that out. So really, he's made up some strange things here. You´re making shit up now. When I say late, I mean late, not in the middle of the game. What I said about batsnacks was specifically about the post with the general guidelines. | ||
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On May 29 2014 03:28 Holyflare wrote: I'm not making anything up. You just said you were up to date with the game and read the last page. On the last page batsnacks doesn't follow the metric about lynching the lowest contributing cells at all. He does quite the opposite. I started the day with no plan for cells because half the people in the game hadn't spoken yet. That should be obvious. I have made a post with a cell order that you should actually like but you didn't comment on that, you decided to pick up on the start of the game which shows you aren't evolving your reads as time goes on. Why, if you are up to date, do your reads not account for anything that happened since the last time you posted? On the last page batsnacks doesn´t follow the metric about lynching the lowest contributing cells, that´s right. But that doesn´t change the fact that he wanted to do that earlier. And it´s not like it wasn´t mentioned before, so he only got rid of that idea after it got called out. My slight townread on him makes sense considering that he later posted an elaborated lynch order and I didn´t really like his start. Why are you the one to decide which posts I should like? Your reads on cell A and B are not something I agree with. You basically have thrawn as mafia because he didn´t post at all and got replaced. Also I am not that sure about Palmar being scum. Why would he do the same shit as the game before where he was scum. It just feels strange. Your actual reasoning for the cell order is based almost only on activity then. Activity itself doesn´t make cells easier to read (for me at least). Tell me why I should like your post! | ||
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On May 29 2014 03:46 OdinOfPergo wrote: mderg I'm having trouble understanding your progression from -don't want rit's to be mayor -Rit's post a bit more = could be ok with Rit's mayor -Likes Rits for mayor but would change cell order You basically just realized you were tunneling him and then decided to 180% your read? Your thought process here just doesn't seem natural. I skimmed at first and didn´t like his posts. I later realized that I missed well elaborated posts while skimming. But I still didn´t agree with the cell order. So I wanted him to change the cell order to fit the more recent ongoings while elaborating similarly to before. | ||
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On May 29 2014 03:57 Holyflare wrote: Activity is the only real metric you should actually be using because more activity is more posting is easier scum reading. I very strongly disagree with this. Just because someone is more active he doesn´t have to be easier to read than someone who is less active. | ||
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On May 29 2014 04:01 OdinOfPergo wrote: What about Rit's post that you missed made you change your mind? Because to be honest I don't like most of his 'murica this and that filler. It's just him insta buddying anyone that happens to play along. What's the easiest way to lead an agenda? Make friends. His post feel rather forced to me. Elaborate yes, but not in a way that gives me good vibes. i basically didn´t attribute this post to his play. In this everything is based on reasoning and is elaborated. Elaborating on the cell order and giving proper reasons is exactly what I expect from the mayor. So I changed my mind from definitely not voting him to thinking about voting him. On May 28 2014 09:41 ritoky wrote: In all seriousness, I am trying to think about this game slightly different than a normal mafia game. I am trying to think about it in terms of the cells and getting strong reads on players in the cells. Outside of the fact that freedom and murrica declare that Cell A should go first, I know I am town and I think you have posted and done enough in the thread for me to get a strong read on you. Thrawn has yet to post, so I can't speak with certainty, but I think there is a wealth of information in the thread about Cell A for people to make informed reads on two of us already. The next Cells I would consider after A are C or B. Probably C before B. In regards to Cell C, I think there is something off about ShiaoPi's post where he was critical of those who were joking. I didn't really find that it added much to the game beyond complaining about the state of the game. To me his complaints are anti-freedom. If he doesn't like the state of the game, why didn't he push hard for it to change to a more serious tone instead of just pointing it out and walking away? HF, unfortunately, has done more to push a town than Shiao but I also find his avoidance of certain questions and topics (such as my campaign against him) to be questionable. Batsnacks hasn't posted. We will see about him, but I think that after Cell A which will be very clear cut, how people vote in regards to cell C will be highly informative. Currently, I am about that Shiao kill in C (although I sways toward HF the more anti-freedom he spews). Cell B would probably be next, although I could be convinced that it should go before C. I think poofter has pitted himself against Palmar in a very strong way, and I think WoS's response to that direction opposition of two people in his cell will be very alignment indicative for him. I like poofter currently, as he is in my murrica huddle. I like his case as a baseline for starting an extensive inquiry into Palmar. I think he also needs to bit of time to really flesh it out with gameplay support or watch it fall through. Which is why I would have him go 3rd. Currently, I am about that Palmar kill in B. The last two would be probably E then D as of right now. Simply because I think we have the least information about those two at the moment and I can't say I have particularly strong feelings about any of the people outside of bunnies in those groups. I could be convinced to push D up after group A into the 2nd spot if someone convinces me of that sick tambo read, cuz his post was strange. I think it was him trying to make a joke about golden sun, but it fell flat and was awk. | ||
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On May 29 2014 04:12 Holyflare wrote: ever been changed intentionally* rayn doesn't count because drunk and angry at gumshoe I´m not completely sure but wasn´t it koshi who changed things from rayn´s order? | ||
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On May 29 2014 05:28 ritoky wrote: Also, to stick with the theme of freedom, I have will now give my reads in an appropriate manner: ![[image loading]](http://i.gyazo.com/7fb0307a2da8f69bc4c2d27b20de1896.png) Blue represents the biggest patriot, or town read I have in a cell as of now. Red represents the largest scum read I have in a cell as of now. White is generally speaking, the person in the middle. Some of these are much stronger reads than the others, and as you can clearly see; I have not determined a solid scum read in groups D or E yet. Most of these reads are previously explained in the thread, but if you would like clarification on any of them, first consult this: ![[image loading]](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c5/I_Am_America_(And_So_Can_You!).jpg) Then, please ask. I´m curious why you townread me over bunnies. I´d also like to know your reasoning on cell C since I can´t really get a hang on it. | ||
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I don´t really agree with his cell order but I´m more sure about him being town than batsnacks. The vote is most likely going to be between these two. So I´m voting for my stronger townread. | ||
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A, D, E, B, C | ||
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On May 29 2014 06:00 Holyflare wrote: Can you explain this then? You want to start with group A because I presume you have a read on ritoky and it would be easy to solve so that would be a +point but then you jump into wanting 2 of the lurker groups to go next? How do you have such a strong read on D/E? I realise your argument for your own cell will be "because i'm in it so it's easy" but what about everyone else? You're then putting the 2 groups with the least amount of information at the front of the line when we literally have no idea what is going on in them? A should be pretty clear. D because I´m having a scumread on tamburini. E because I´m pretty sure bunnies is town, I´m also town so it only leaves layabout. B and C are the cells I´m most unsure about. As a side note: why didn´t you attack bunnies for her suggested cell orders? The first 3 cells would be the same. So why are my first 3 cells pointed out and hers weren´t? | ||
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On May 30 2014 01:31 batsnacks wrote: I was rereading and I found something that really bothered me. It's in red above. MZ I thought you were pushing Odin as scum. If Odin is scum, how would he "KNOW" that either ritoky or you are scum? There can only be one mafia per cell. I agree that this is bad wording but I don´t feel like it has any significance. | ||
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On May 30 2014 01:39 batsnacks wrote: If it's just bad wording, how would you re-word it to make it "good wording?" Something like this: As town you would know that either rit or I have to be scum. | ||
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On May 30 2014 01:58 batsnacks wrote: It still bothers me. Something about the "KNOW" in all caps makes be believe that MZ actually knows odin's alignment is town and it slipped through his subconscious as he was writing. It's a confident, emotional statement. It´s not like it´s impossible but for me it´s just too much of a speculation to base a read on. | ||
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At first I didn´t like ritoky and MZ and I thought one of them just wanted an easy misslynch in thrawn. Especially thrawn not posting at all and being replaced isn´t alignment indicative at all. Later in his mayor campaign ritoky actually showed some solid reasoning and elaborated on his cell order. Even though I didn´t agree with the cell order I thought he was townie and figured that having him as mayor would give us a well elaborated cell order. Odin´s first post weren´t necessarily screaming town to me but they certainly weren´t scummy. I didn´t like how he called ritoky leading a clear agenda in his mayor campaign since I didn´t see any agenda in that. What I liked however was his point about MZ townreading people simply of going into the spotlight with their mayor campaigns. I also thought that MZ was sheeping ritoky for an easy misslynch at that point. His Palmar scumread makes sense but I have a feeling that Palmar is actually town. Coupled with the fact that he didn´t like the freedom bullshit I read Odin as town at that point. That also means that I thought of MZ as scum. Then the "drunken rage" hits and I´m really unsure about Odin. It might just be play from a frustrated townie but it might also be play by a frustrated scum. It didn´t make any sense to me. At about the same time MZ started having some good posts that seemed townie to me. The reads he made in this post seemed natural to me. + Show Spoiler + On May 30 2014 04:06 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Cell C: HF, you’ve been active all game and I generally agree with your reads and your “townpile.” I have you as town right now. Batsnacks wanted group C to go first because he felt he “had a grasp on it” but hasn’t actually provided any insight into the group aside from his one big post where he “didn’t like” and was “not a fan” of lots of people but did not provide any solid reads. At the moment, only real scumread is me for “buddying ritoky.” His to big posts were a summary and setup speculation. Overall not really impressed with what I’ve seen. ShaioPi is sadly less impressive than batsnacks. He calls HF, Tamburini, and ritoky scum and then never really revisits it. He doesn’t like group A and he wanted batsnacks to be mayor. Overall incredibly lurky and low content. I had called him scum for saying he didn’t like freedom but at the moment he’s the scummiest from group C imo. Cell D Tamburini rng’d a list of scum and then afk’d, null. ObiWan is lurky as well. Has thrice promised a case and then reneged. The only real read he provides is sloosh as scum. There’s a casual open manner to his posts though imo so I’ll give him a pass until I see more substantive posts. I guess I’m cautiously optimistic about obiwan. Sloosh is active lurking and he chainsaw’s Odin by going after me. I personally think his case is hilariously bad and because I think Odin is scum, I’m gonna throw down the omgus and say that sloosh is the scum from Cell D. His active lurking and lack of reads is bad enough, the chainsaw is icing on the cake. Cell E Layabout has been spectacularly useless, but he might be the scum from this group because he goes after ritoky, but then changes his tune after the lynch on me starts to pick up speed. This is just another chainsaw defense of odin. Layabout goes from saying ritoky’s plan makes perfect sense from a mafia perspective to saying I’m scum for buddying him. The only thing that makes sense here from a mafia perspective is layabout’s play because he realizes I’m an easier lynch than ritoky. 27NB has been active and her reads have been decent. Townread from me. Mderg hasn’t really been pushing any reads, but what he has said has been well thought out and logical so I feel pretty good about him as well. So my scum team looks like this: Odin, Palmar, ShaioPi, Sloosh, Layabout. Most confident on the first two, least confident on ShaioPi . I don´t really agree on Cell C. I wouldn´t put Hf down as town and his reasoning for calling ShiaoPi scum is not the most convincing. But I agree that ShiaoPi is scummiest in that group. I completely agree with his reads on cell D. tamburini is a question mark and ObiWan was kinda strange with the case he promised. But sloosh was unconvincing, his case on MZ seemed kinda lazy and it seemed like he was actively lurking. Cell E seems pretty clear to me. layabout´s play didn´t convince me at all and bunnies showed good activity as well as good elaboration on her reads. So I´m stuck in the weird place of having 3 slight townreads in this cell. Right now I´d go with ritoky because I haven´t seen anything amazing from him recently but this is not how I want to actually lynch someone. | ||
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On May 30 2014 10:13 Holyflare wrote: Mderg is mafia for other reasons but let's try and win before it gets to that cell.  Either you give the reasons or you don´t use them. Also you can´t possibly know I´m mafia since I´m not. I don´t like ritoky´s recent play. I don´t see any reason to use that freedom shit in this phase of the game. Like in these posts the only real contribution is questioning layabout´s townread on Odin. + Show Spoiler + On May 30 2014 07:02 ritoky wrote: I had a dream, that one day that one day this game will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self evident; that all town are created equal." I had a dream, that even the state of Mississippi, a state sweltering with the heat of scum, sweltering with the heat of oppression, will be transformed into an oasis of freedom and justice. I had a dream, that little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their role but by the content of their character. I had a dream last night! Welcome to the game sir. 2 questions for you: 1) What do you think of your predecessor's contributions/where do you stand in regards to them? 2) What do you think of this image? ![[image loading]](http://assets.vice.com/content-images/contentimage/139399/freedom-fries-thumbnail.jpg) + Show Spoiler + On May 30 2014 07:03 ritoky wrote: on a related note, i will now read the 5 or so pages i missed while sleeping + Show Spoiler + On May 30 2014 07:10 ritoky wrote: currently reading the drunken rage of odin, you should too. + Show Spoiler + On May 30 2014 07:20 ritoky wrote: Uhhhhhh how did no one quote this????? What is this about broski? Question 1: Why do you hate freedom so much? And don't say your answer to me, say your answer to this: ![[image loading]](http://fellowshipofminds.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/bald_eagle_flag_small.jpg) Question 2: How do you have such a 100% town read on Odin, yet you have not explained it a single time in the entire thread. I mean you have such a town read on him that you put him above BOTH myself and MZ, yet 0 reasons given as to where the hell it came from? Hello red flag, welcome to being pasted next to layabout's name. I also have no idea why he still thinks Odin is more likely to be scum than MZ after this post. On May 30 2014 08:11 ritoky wrote: So after reading through the drunken rage of Odin and some of Meapak's responses, I don't really feel like I have been moved all that much from my previous stance. I think Odin's level of frustration is not particularly alignment indicative for me, but if someone has meta information about when/if he rages as certain alignments or both that could be helpful. I think his frustration comes from a position of entering late into a game into the group going first that has two people who were being read as town by much of the game at the time he entered. But again, to me that doesn't give me much alignment information, could be frustrated town or frustrated mafia. It also makes it so that nearly half of the posts he put out are a wash. The thing that gave me pause about Odin when he entered the thread was his choice of who to pursue as the scum in his cell. He chose me. At first I had a bit of an OMGUS reaction to it, but then I read some of what HolyFlare was saying about it and it made a lot of sense. Mostly about how that was the less optimal and more difficult path. The easier path would be to not target the guy being elected mayor and to push on MZ for the sheeping/buddying. But I mean, that is kinda where he has ended up at now. And I also feel that a lot of his reasoning behind his suspicions of MZ are just taken directly from sloosh's post (which I personally think brings up the best point against MZ thus far that he hasn't actually responded to). I also dislike a lot of his talk and conclusions about the other cells a lot more than I dislike MZ's, but there's also a lot of prodding and questioning in Odin's which is a + point, whereas MZ's is a lot of summary information. However, the biggest thing stopping me from just locking a vote on Odin is the point sloosh made about MZ toward the end of his accusation. You see, a lot of people have been critical of MZ for basically how the first page of his filter is him saying he has a town read on me, sheeping me hard, and spewing freedom. Which is fine, that can be part of your read, but if that is all of your reasoning like it is for a few people; well then you need further examination (especially given that I feel MZ has given a lot more content than just that to comment on). BUT back to sloosh's point: I think the bolded part is more interesting than the buddying up early stuff that everyone else seems hung up on. All of this said, I still think as of right now Odin is more of the scum than MZ. I have come down a bit on MZ since the start of the game, but not enough to call Odin more town. First he lists things that are not alignment indicative from Odin and how it´s townie to not pick MZ as initial scumread. But then he still thinks Odin is the likelier scum because he mainly used sloosh´s reason for calling MZ scummy (Even though ritoky thinks these are the best reasons so far to call MZ scummy). Then he says he dislikes a lot of his talk and conclusions about the other cells. But he doesn´t say what he dislikes. He proceeds to point out what makes MZ suspicious. I don´t see how this can lead to Odin being scummier than MZ. To me it seems like ritoky is only semi-pushing the Odin lynch while still talking about how MZ is suspicious because most people had a townread on him from the start. If he helps keeping suspicions on the other two there would be almost no way we´d ever find out about him being scum. This would greatly hinder town in the future cells. ##vote: ritoky | ||
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For this cell I think it´s between batsnacks and Holyflare. I think Robik is town with how he questioned things. Not voting MZ is also a plus. What I found strange about batsnacks is this: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2014 01:49 batsnacks wrote: Lets say I did like Palmar and didn't offer you any explanation. Would you consider me scum for that? I can´t see the thought process behind this. Especially this part looks like it´s just there to confuse people. On May 31 2014 01:42 batsnacks wrote: That's the person YOU think is scum. What if the person I think is scum is different from the person you think is scum? Would you rather I voted for the person you think is scum or the person I think is scum? Speculating about statistics about how many townies are right in a cell also seems strange. Shouldn´t it all be about the things that people actually do? On May 31 2014 04:44 batsnacks wrote: I think it says a lot. If ritoky is mafia, neither townie in his cell suspected him. If Odin is mafia, both town players in his cell suspected him. If MZ is mafia, 1 town member in his cell suspected him. Speculating: What do you think would happen the most often if Cell Mafia were played 1,000,000 times? Zero townies being right about their cell, one townie being right about their cell, or both townies being right about their cell? Again, pure speculation, I think most of time one townie would be right. But Holyflare is way scummier to me than batsnacks. I didn´t like how in his mayor campaign it felt like he was trying to go 100% with what the people wanted without giving any input himself and thus not taking any responsibility. When he later gave his own suggestions, he didn´t actually go with the general consensus. I also really dislike this: On May 29 2014 03:57 Holyflare wrote: Activity is the only real metric you should actually be using because more activity is more posting is easier scum reading. I agree that activity is important in determining the cell order but basing it SOLELY on activity just seems stupid. Also he uses the fact that he "knows" how every new scum player plays to confirm his townread on ritoky who I think is scum with him. It´s not like everyone is exactly the same, you know. On May 29 2014 06:19 Holyflare wrote: I have played scum enough times to get into the mindset of anyone that plays scum. He's never played mafia afaik (from the database) so this would be his FIRST time playing scum. First time scum are super nervous about doing anything out of the ordinary, they fit into trends, they will follow people, they won't speak their mind and they won't go against the grain of the town to speak up on something that no many people agree with. His agenda is to win a point, going after someone with pretty much town reads from 100% of people is not what a first time mafia would do. Somehow he even knows for a fact that I´m mafia. Sadly he also says that he will not disclose the reasons for that. As far as I know only people of 1 alignment can know the alignment of others for a fact (hint: it´s scum). He is 100% lying here. I´m not scum. Also, why even mention reasons you will not disclose anyway? On May 30 2014 06:55 Holyflare wrote: and I know for a fact that mderg is now mafia after that post he just made because of reasons that i will not disclose Hf then continued by semi-pushing ritoky without actually putting him under pressure to not endanger the misslynch. Short summary: ##vote: Holyflare | ||
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On June 01 2014 02:55 Holyflare wrote: I did disclose as much info as I could and more than anything HE SHOULD KNOW THE UNDISCLOSED INFO SO THIS IS SUPER SUSPICIOUS TOO. If it is what I think it is, I have absolutely no clue how you could come to the conclusion then. I also think you should not have mentioned it at all. | ||
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On June 01 2014 03:07 Holyflare wrote: it's nothing to do with what you think, simply that you are in both games and drew no parallells between what he was doing here and there yet instantly town read him for 0 reasons here after he had done nothing and then you defended the point about 3 times I should know the undisclosed info but it has nothing to do with what I think? I don´t get this. | ||
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On June 01 2014 03:13 Holyflare wrote: stop fucking talking about info in ongoing games, you are in a game where palmar is actively playing right? yes. you see palmar not playing in this game at all right? yes. you say nothing about that whatsoever but come to the ready conclusion that hes town right? yes all based on 0 posts and you haven't used anything to draw these conclusions You were the one who brought this in in the first place! I don´t remember giving Palmar a strong townread here. I fucking said that I have the feeling that Palmar is town. I´ve also never even pretended to back that up with anything because I can´t back it up. It´s a fucking gut feeling. | ||
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On June 01 2014 03:23 Holyflare wrote: explain this then please 1)"only 1 alignment can know the alignment of others (scum)" implies quite obviously that I am scum but if that's the case then you ARE therefore mafia. 2)Then you add on that i'm 100% lying and you're not scum which is: A) Adding unneeded information to state that you're town which is inherently a mafia thing to do B) Disproving the previous half of the statement because if you are town then I can't possibly know your alignment so then what's the point of writing it? 1) You said that you KNOW, which by your logic means that you scumclaimed. I´d call this wordtwisting at it´s best. 2) I don´t think it´s inherently a mafia thing to do. | ||
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You say that you know I´m scum. This means you either don´t know my alignment thus it means you´re lying. Or this means that you know my alignment and thus are scum. Since I don´t think you should be lying as town it isn´t far fetched to think you´re scum. | ||
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On June 01 2014 03:43 Holyflare wrote: You also say "Holyflare was asking for peoples opinions and consensus which is scummy but then stopped doing that which is scummy" NO!!!!!!!!! You didn´t ask for opinions, you said you were exactly going to do what the majority wants. Later you go against that by not going with a cell order the majority wanted. | ||
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On June 01 2014 03:41 Holyflare wrote: You've done it again??? If i don't know your alignment then I AM TOWN. IF I KNOW YOUR ALIGNMENT AND CALLED YOU SCUM YOU ARE SCUM. if I'm not supposed to "lie" as town that makes mafia so you are thus mafia! Are you actually serious or are you just playing dumb? | ||
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How can it be this hard to understand??????????? If you are town, you´re lying about knowing my alignment. If you´re mafia, you´re lying about me being mafia and lying in general. | ||
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Because you are lying. While lying is not a 100% scumtell I don´t think you would have any reason to do that as town. | ||
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On June 01 2014 03:57 Holyflare wrote: Look here's the thing. I don't care what you think of me you need to prove to me why you're not mafia and someone else in your cell is. If people think it's scummy and lynch me so be it but at least reads will be on the table and I'll have a better picture to solve the game by the time the lynch happens and if i do get lynched I'll flip town and people will listen to me and you will get lynched. So prove to me how your reads evolved and why they did for those reasons and then tell me who you think is mafia in your group and why. The same goes for pretty much everyone else. I don´t really have to prove to YOU that I´m town. In the end it comes down to proving this to the town member of my cell. | ||
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If Hf turns out to be mafia at the end I´m gonna hate him so much. ##unvote ##vote: batsnacks | ||
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On June 02 2014 06:47 Holyflare wrote: Not accepting the mderg switch after afk all day. Town read bunnies and 2 cell ppl joined bat when they coulda voted robik. Mderg no reason for bat. Etc etc I´m pretty sure with what I posted yesterday about your cell it makes absolute sense for me to vote batsnacks over robik. | ||
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I feel like the drop in his activity is kinda strange and makes me reconsider my read on him. Him voting for both misslynches also doesn´t work in his favor but considering how the lynched went I´d not say that it necessarily makes him scummy. I still have a slight townread on him because his play at the beginning looked very townie to me and I don´t think there´s anything that´s clearly scummy. Gonna skim the other 2 cellmembers now. | ||
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I liked the questioning of poofter´s Palmar read, since at that point the read was based on one post similar to cell I. Him questioning ritoky was also something that was townie. This seems kinda strange, I don´t think there was any real case from him leading to that. On May 29 2014 03:42 WaveofShadow wrote: For thr record I have a monster town read on MZ On May 29 2014 11:00 WaveofShadow wrote: ##Vote: Meapak_Ziphh u no ilu bro, but this is bad. He called sloosh´s case on MZ a case with no substance which I liked. In general he was questioning the ongoings in cell A quite a lot. I´m not completely sure what to think about his back and forth with Robik. His reasoning didn´t seem too bad but I thought Robik was town. This could be going either way. I also don´t think ve´s first posts are alignment indicative in any way. Overall I´m unsure about wos/ve. Fist gut feeling tells me this is the scum in this cell but that´s it. | ||
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His reasoning for not voting MZ seems solid, doesn´t necessarily mean that ritoky was the scum in that cell, though. I really liked this post, not for actual ingame reasons, though. On June 02 2014 03:42 Palmar wrote: Hope you're mafia hf otherwise your track record this game will be Lynch townie Get lynched as town Tell town to lynch another townie His reason for trying to get Hf lynched was kinda solid but for me it was too heavily based on a different game. I like just how much he wanted to lynch Hf, to me it felt like a townie who was really sure about this lynch. So besides the uninterested start of the game I´m leaning towards town on Palmar. This also leads me to think that wos/ve is the most likely mafia in this cell. | ||
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##vote: Tehpoofter | ||
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On June 04 2014 06:04 layabout wrote: no way am i voting with mderg so you throw every read you have out of the window just to vote different from me? | ||
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I think it´s strange that besides VE nobody had a vote on poof while I got the impression that most people found him to be scummy. So I figured that the probability of mafia setting up the final misslynch is quite high. What makes me doubt the lynch even more is that right now the scum in my cell has the vote on VE. | ||
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