World Heavyweight Championship Mafia II

On March 22 2014 00:45 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Fill the game up quickly so I can host my game guys!

On March 24 2014 11:01 iamperfection wrote:

Please take note of this. 3 spots left.

also could use another co host. One that may be willing do do a deadline post possibly.

On March 26 2014 05:05 Palmar wrote:
Policy lynching anyone with less than 9 pages of filter day 1, regardless of my alignment.

On March 26 2014 08:05 Palmar wrote:

Do you want me to start counting?

On March 26 2014 08:09 Palmar wrote:
rayn give me some game that isn't foundation where you rolled scum please.

On March 26 2014 08:13 Palmar wrote:

My idea kinda died anyway.

I just remembered that rayn also did a townclaim at the beginning of titanic, and that he didn't really in foundation, but reading back I found that he opened with that unvoting plan in default suspicion, so whatever.

On March 26 2014 08:19 Palmar wrote:

But do you claim scum?

Cause that is what takes real balls.

On March 26 2014 08:29 Palmar wrote:

Do you think you will get an answer from gumshoe that has any chance of moving your read on him forward? If so, what kind of an answer would make you lean one way or the other?

On March 26 2014 08:58 gumshoe wrote:


But it is likely that a response will come easily, all you do if Rayns scum is strengthen his position in thread after an easy question, and I dont bilieve you honestly couldnt come with your own explanation for why Rayn asked his question of me.

Therefore I find your question not only pointless, but harmful / :

On March 26 2014 09:06 gumshoe wrote:


MEGA LOGIC Im saying his question was dumb, which is funny because he accused you of much the same, and the only outcome of that question was that you would answer it and come off looking strong, regardless of your alignment.

Whereas your question was directed at someone (me) known to crack under pressure as scum and who had done so in a game you and palmer had just played. That question was perfectly fine.

On March 26 2014 09:11 gumshoe wrote:


I do not for a second think he could not come up with his own valid reasoning for your question twoards me and I dont see how he could imagine you in any world giving something up in response. As if when your scum you dont bother with reasons, whereas the opposite is true, your far more careful as red and he should know that.

The outcome of the question is inevitable, you look capable, he gives ground, it was unlikely to go any other way(and I dont see what other path he could have honestly imagined) and therefore it was pointless. Hes either fienting in an effort to kick start or hes scum trying to fit in. One thing for sure though, hes not bieng genuine atm.

On March 26 2014 09:21 Palmar wrote:
This is where we disagree. Read the initial question again, it says "why robik over anyone else". Because I am not rayn I assumed that was actually what he was asking, ie, for you to explain why you hadn't picked me, or marv, or someone else, and I couldn't think of a response that would make your seemingly random choice any scummier or townier.

I did not consider that rayn was fishing for the nature of your reaction.

On March 26 2014 09:39 gumshoe wrote:
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He found you scummy because of your question, he wasnt just trying to find out your intent. Point is, I dont see how he could have anticipated the intent you chose to reveal bieng scummy. Therefore the only likely outcome of the question is that you both come to an understanding.

On March 26 2014 09:44 gumshoe wrote:


He said he could not think of a reason, therefore he thought you were scummy. Which is bull cause theres no way he couldnt think up a reason, therefore he is not genuine for whatever reason.

On March 26 2014 09:43 marvellosity wrote:

Looks like you made a case on yourself and then voted someone else, Palmar. Tsk.

On March 26 2014 09:53 marvellosity wrote:

I have to assume this is directed at me, but nowhere did I indicate I did not understand Palmar's post. Read again.

On March 26 2014 08:29 Palmar wrote:

Do you think you will get an answer from gumshoe that has any chance of moving your read on him forward? If so, what kind of an answer would make you lean one way or the other?

On March 26 2014 08:38 Palmar wrote:

There is no reason for him not to answer you as any alignment, but I guess it is actually reasonable to think there is a small chance of panic and overexplanation.

On March 26 2014 08:53 Palmar wrote:

If rayn does not have an explanation to his question it makes the question pointless and thus rayn more likely to be mafia.

On March 26 2014 08:54 Palmar wrote:
The point being that I did not see how any answer I expected could possibly have revealed anything about your alignment.

There is no reason for him not to answer you as any alignment, but I guess it is actually reasonable to think there is a small chance of panic and overexplanation.

On March 26 2014 13:22 Holyflare wrote:
So why do you not mention that rayn is super town based on x, y, z but instead mention that you read him as town from an alignment null post? Were you lying?

On March 26 2014 14:14 Holyflare wrote:
point 3 is obviously a lie

On March 26 2014 14:14 thrawn2112 wrote:
rayn do you think you look townie?

On March 26 2014 14:16 thrawn2112 wrote:
why?

On March 26 2014 14:17 Holyflare wrote:


well then you are bad because he said you looked town for a "town claim" that wasn't a town claim inherently and then when i said it was null he said "he looks town for other reasons too" so either in the first instance he was lying or the second instance he was lying

so no rayn, why are you being so bad?


point 2 has to be the lie then

On March 26 2014 14:24 Holyflare wrote:


You say you have a town read on robik but in the same fucking paragraph you say that maybe it's not a town read because he is doing weird shit. You point out the weird shit so you can no longer get a decent tell on him based on that because you outlined exactly the weird shit that he is doing...

On March 26 2014 14:44 Holyflare wrote:


Please point out to me how that is retarded, robik called you an alignment he shouldn't know if you were town based on having read 1 of your games of mafia and 0 of your games as town, based on a post that was not alignment indicative and if anything pointed towards you being more mafia leaned than anything.

Explain to me in what world someone does that.

I have also been reading your scum games and the smiley face heuristic is just not true. Even in foundation the only mafia game he has seen you play you do not use a smiley face to say you are town.

On March 26 2014 14:46 IAmRobik wrote:
No clue. Not ready to take a stance on him.

On March 26 2014 14:44 IAmRobik wrote:

My initial impression is that thrawn is just being thrawn of GSL and using a tactic to illicit reactions. That's why I think he's town.

On March 26 2014 14:50 thrawn2112 wrote:
... last game holyflare caught mafia instantly

On March 26 2014 15:07 Holyflare wrote:
even right now you don't want to talk about our "shit logic" cases but you bring up nothing else to talk about, you don't want to find out our alignments, you just make sweeping statements! why not question why i have a "shit logic" case? Am I mafia trying to get a mislynch on you and probably robik or am i town who thinks i am right and should be calmed down to stop the shit posting?

why are you not conversing with me and instead saying everything is bad/mafia? you don't even point out why robik's post isn't a lie it's just "you wrong with shit logic, you mafia"

On March 26 2014 15:04 Holyflare wrote:
and marv too

On March 26 2014 15:16 Holyflare wrote:


discussing it would calm me down and stop me from shitposting which is absolutely what you'd want to do as a townie because then you can explain what's going on and see my reactions to something being wrong

you don't do that, you don't point out why it's wrong, you're ignoring blatant lies from another player, you post a giant fucking wall of text that says nothing other than the person who made a lie is town for no reason whatsoever

you are mafia

On March 26 2014 15:28 thrawn2112 wrote:
phagga:

I thought rayn was lying about point #2 because of how stupid it was. So I thought he was scum reading robik but I wanted to make sure I was interpreting the post correctly

apparently #2 is truth so rayn's mafia

On March 26 2014 15:36 phagga wrote:

Can you explain us why you townread robik?

On March 26 2014 15:30 thrawn2112 wrote:
as to why I asked for clarification.. i'd like to talk about reads rather than playing games to figure out wtf everyone is saying. i'm too tired for that atm

On March 26 2014 15:47 Holyflare wrote:
I think you're misconstruing the timeline of events here

he says he can read you town based off of one alignment null post ----> i ask him why ----> he says just because and then elaborates some bs about smileys that isn't true in any of your games and doesn't apply to your first post at all ---> then says it must be true based off of one games reading when you were mafia but in a bad game ----> then says he hasn't read any of your town games so doesn't actually know whether what he says is true or not

On March 26 2014 15:56 Holyflare wrote:


so WHY NOT SAY THIS 4 PAGES BACK INSTEAD OF SAYING IT'S SHIT LOGIC how the fuck do i know how robik plays and when he points out that he hasn't read any of your town games i just take that lying down? no i push that

you could have said anything to stop me doing this but you perpetuated that it was a bad case, shit logic, don't want to talk to me etc etc

why?

On March 26 2014 15:57 Holyflare wrote:


i have played 0 games with robik so i have no idea what he does or doesn't do, why are you implying i should know this and therefore my logic is bad instead of telling me the reason beforehand?

On March 26 2014 15:58 Holyflare wrote:


no this is you being full of shit

On March 26 2014 16:01 Holyflare wrote:



this is a legit good post for thrawn to make and he backed it up with research as well

On March 26 2014 16:05 Holyflare wrote:


this 1000x applies to you

On March 26 2014 16:07 Holyflare wrote:


and i do the same thing but you say i am town, you dismiss everything anyone says and don't even question your read on a player that you have seen play mafia 0 times

On March 26 2014 16:14 Holyflare wrote:
no he lied and you said NOTHING about it you dismissed talking to me entirely, you said it was shit logic and you aggrevated me "to get reads on players" so no rayn, fucking explain why it is NOT A LIE

On March 26 2014 16:21 Holyflare wrote:
In the first quote, he establishes that as mafia you would post a smiley after that first post. In NO game ever have you done that and believe me I checked almost every single game of your mafia games.

On February 13 2014 06:40 IAmRobik wrote:

I mean, I've never searched for a game thread to prove someone is maf/town, but when people have done it in the past, they've generally been town.

Also, I might want to rescind my original comment of round being my top town. I said it because I thought that I remembered smiley faces and stuff being towny, but now that I think of it, it could be the exact opposite read. I don't remember anymore.

On March 05 2014 03:14 IAmRobik wrote:

What am I answering? I'm pretty sure I laid out why I thought Boone was scummy. Also, there is like a 70% chance you're scum this game rayn. It's quite sad. I was really hoping we'd both be town.

On March 26 2014 16:30 Holyflare wrote:




Rayn did this in one game but isn't doing it here is the very definition of meta

On March 26 2014 16:56 Holyflare wrote:


"thrawn doesn't jump to conclusions as town" is not an explanation and not a case on why i should sheep your excellent read and "thrawn is smarter than that" is also not a reason where thrawn linked shit that proves you think otherwise

so like i said, prove to me he is mafia

On March 26 2014 15:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Also this post is really really scummy because here thrawn claims he has no time for games and he wants to talk about reads.

What's contradictory to this he never really explains why he has a scumread on me, he does not explain why he is voting for me. He does not ask me why i am townreading Robik. He does (or rather doesn't do) all this and then he whines about "people not being transparent and clear with their thoughts".

On March 26 2014 15:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
To clarify. I think Holyflare is "capable" of using shitlogic like this because i have seen him doing that as town before. For example Holyflare defended vivax in the last game based on something he didn't know fuck about, he only knew half of the story.

thrawn however does not do this as town. He is mostly laid back, doesn't jump onto conclusions with incomplete informatio. Remember, that has nothing to do with maked bad calls (like in LXIV: restart) based on complete picture. I am talking about filling the puzzle with something he makes up himself. In fact the only time i have seen him do this is as mafia in Extractor trick which made me instantly catch him. And i think we have just seen the same thing here.

On March 26 2014 17:06 Holyflare wrote:


and not it is not, i remembered correctly:

On March 26 2014 17:07 thrawn2112 wrote:


then read it again. he's making stuff up and not making any sense.

the initial reason I voted for him which I haven';t explained until now, is the tone of his "game" post. it looks very fake and not liek something I expect rayn to write regardless of whatever I think about the content of the post. as to the content...

"2) My "town wins this belt" post was indeed a town claim. I was happy rolling town and i don't give a fuck who else is town because i just find two mafia and then town wins the belt. I am also amused that Robik has called my alignment correctly out three times based on my usage / usagelessness. I don't know how he does it and i don't think it's alignment indicative but i am really interested in seeing is so some sort of psychic or what because i have a townread on him in this game. I don't believe Robik yet, i mean, i don't believe that's a reliable tell but we'll see about that when / if he does that a couple of times more and if he is right or wrong."

-i doubt rayn doesn't care about winning the belt

- "I don't know how he does it and i don't think it's alignment indicative" what the fuck does this even mean? if robik is scum then of course he is not "some sort of psychic" who is excellent at reading rayn. if robik is scum the robik KNOWS RAYN IS TOWN and doesn't need to try and figure out if rayn is town. like... i can't properly explain the problem I have with this quote because I don't even know what the quote is meant to say. it's just nonsense.

-this line: "i don't believe that's a reliable tell but we'll see about that when / if he does that a couple of times more and if he is right or wrong." WTF DOES THIS MEAN? it's the same as the earlier quote. rayn is just talking nonsense here which is the easiest way to figure out his alignment.

when I read rayn's game my first thought was "ok, rayn is being sarcastic for most if not all of this"

so I ask him to clarify if he was actually reading robik as scum

but he says all those statements are real? lol

On March 26 2014 17:17 Holyflare wrote:


are you going to say about him voting you before that post because it isn't true

On March 26 2014 17:26 Holyflare wrote:


because you put me in a fowl mood by being a dick to me instead of actually attempting to talk things through with me so of course it's made my judgement clouded because you are a twat

On March 26 2014 17:34 Holyflare wrote:


you know what stops that? not calling things "shit logic" or "bad" and instead talking about WHY it is bad or bad logic, tell us why thrawn is mafia for that post

On March 26 2014 17:31 Holyflare wrote:
thrawn you mafia bro:



Rayns post is at 14:12



thrawn's vote is at 14:22 after already questioning about the content at 14:19



so his vote came after all of that

On March 26 2014 17:40 Holyflare wrote:


so then you keep doing something that is scummy and call me scummy for pointing that out...? you serious bro?

On March 26 2014 17:42 Holyflare wrote:


just tell me your reason that you posted a giant wall of ahahahaha's

this reason is that he said he "voted you for the tone of your post" regardless of any of the content, he did not vote until he had read the content and got you to expand on it so his initial "vote for the tone of your post" wasn't true and even if it was it would be a vote on nothing because you can't read tone without content

On March 26 2014 18:09 Holyflare wrote:


still haven't heard why you wrote ahahaha

On March 26 2014 18:14 Holyflare wrote:


why not just post it so we can all read it...?

then read it again. he's making stuff up and not making any sense.

the initial reason I voted for him which I haven';t explained until now, is the tone of his "game" post. it looks very fake and not liek something I expect rayn to write regardless of whatever I think about the content of the post. as to the content...

On March 26 2014 18:40 phagga wrote:
Holyflare: rayn is always and under every circumstance gonna value your opinion/ability higher than thrawns.

On March 26 2014 18:43 Holyflare wrote:


yes he even linked evidence to say why he thought that

On March 26 2014 18:50 Holyflare wrote:



what...? he says you'd value holy's opinion the majority of the time over mine which is mostly true, he never talks in absolutes?

On March 26 2014 18:51 Holyflare wrote:


well no it's not a "pile of shit" it's you categorically stating that you follow my reads because bussing/right and then also stating that thrawn is a noob sooo no it's not a pile of shit

On March 26 2014 18:54 Holyflare wrote:


i'm not fucking defending thrawn here jesus christ, i'm saying that with the evidence thrawn linked it LOOKS true so why is phagga using it as a case for thrawn being mafia when the evidence suggests that it is in fact true based on what thrawn linked

On March 26 2014 18:55 Holyflare wrote:


YES YOU KNOW THAT BUT HOW DOES PHAGGA

On March 26 2014 18:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Apparently not because that's exactly what he is saying imo.

On March 26 2014 19:01 Palmar wrote:

I'm wading through the pile of shit you and holyflare created.

On March 26 2014 19:30 Holyflare wrote:
3 posts till 20k marv make it a good one

On March 26 2014 19:38 marvellosity wrote:

Reminder

On March 26 2014 19:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:

When you are done, if you think i created a pile of shit tell me how it is different from the "pile of shit" you and gumshoe created?

On March 26 2014 19:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Palmar what do you think gumshoe's alignment is and how sure you are of it?

On March 26 2014 20:13 prplhz wrote:
okay up to date but i don't really have a single read so far but the town atmosphere is really bad, play nice okay?

On March 26 2014 20:47 marvellosity wrote:
no I'm done. My last two posts at thrawn/palmar were going back to pick up on things.

Jeez, keep up with the timeline.

On March 26 2014 20:54 marvellosity wrote:

So you're pretty sure gumshoe is town now?

On March 26 2014 20:57 marvellosity wrote:

Because he was a stubborn bitch?

On March 26 2014 21:01 marvellosity wrote:
Ok. That's mainly the reason I was town on him after it died down and hopefully it should be obvious why I didn't want to "stop" whatever gumshoe was doing by wading in with a categorical opinion at the time.

I'm not quite as certain as you are though :>

On March 27 2014 02:39 Palmar wrote:

Well no, I tried to ask marv (who had at the time and still hasn't said anything worth mentioning) what he thought of holyflare. I thought HF's reactions, and how they evolved throughout your conversation are extremely difficult to fake as scum, I was actually ready to yell "RAYN MAFIA, BAD RAYN" until you actually explained why you had a townread on Robik. ie, I think you were a dick to holyflare and he responded very naturally.

I wanted to know if marv had noticed the same thing, but by then he had clearly decided he wanted to call me mafia so it was a bit of a brick wall.

On March 27 2014 02:41 prplhz wrote:
okay dinner is back on so i'm gone again!

rayn i think i explained everything i did and if there's something i didn't explain then let me know and i'll explain it i don't do that i'm-not-saying-this-is-a-super-trap-gonna-catch-me-some-mafia-by-being-overly-secretive thing, it's way over (or below?) my level of play. my marv vote was because he was annoying (i also said that explicitly at some point even though i think it was pretty obvious).

Holy, Rayn, why do you think sloppiness is indicative of Thrawns scum play? Can you provide examples where he takes insane leaps that make him look like scum?

On March 27 2014 02:58 Palmar wrote:

Even if you believe I actually wanted to lynch you, wouldn't policy lynches by definition be excluded from reads?

On March 27 2014 02:37 marvellosity wrote:
rayn, you've come back at a super annoying time, I have to leave shortly and it is my mum's birthday this evening so I'll be gone for some hours.

Hopefully you'll be around later this evening/tonight instead.

On March 27 2014 03:09 Palmar wrote:

I did not want to lynch you, the trap thing is a joke referring to a certain other game.

On March 26 2014 17:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Obvious contradiction.


Meta + thrawn making unreasonable assumptions.

---

Both of these things are something thrawn does not do as town, because he is not crazy town like you for example can be.

On March 26 2014 18:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
This is the TLDR thrawn gives:


If you read the content of his case and see if it matches up with the "TLDR;" he writes at the start of his post you'll notice:

red) i am not making up stuff anywhere and thrawn does not explain where i do it
blue) this is a part of my case. thrawn makes judgement calls on incomplete information. what i say is not scummy just because thrawn does not understand that. ne never cares what my intention of saying things i say is (which i have pointed out). also read my case why this is scummy for thrawn.
green) I didn't find this notable in the first place, it's just "this happened", does not say why i am mafia in any reasonable way, but what you pointed out in fact proves this in fact did not even happen as thrawn says it did.

On March 27 2014 03:27 gumshoe wrote:


I still dont understand the bolded T_T show me the lie, is it the same lie thrawn was talking about? As for the second paragraph, all I see is indecisive belligerent waffling, just as likely in my eyes to be town bumbling(especially out of thrawn, a player I've known to get super high before playing) as it is to be scum pandering. You are asking me to believe we have caught obviusly terrible scum in a game filled with predominantly great players, and I'm just not seeing it / :

On March 27 2014 03:30 Palmar wrote:
Do you think marv's push against me is genuine?

On March 27 2014 03:32 gumshoe wrote:


Alright, I'm pretty convinced, last thing, can you provide a good town game where thrawn plays sensibly for contrast?

On March 27 2014 03:32 IAmRobik wrote:
why does marv have 5 pages of filter and 0 memorable content, whereas thrawn and phagga and gumshoe have 2 and have contributed a boatload more to the game?

On March 27 2014 03:10 prplhz wrote:

i don't think him being annoying points at him being mafia no

On March 27 2014 03:42 gumshoe wrote:
In fact, thrawn was so subdued and chill in gsl, we shot him night 1 cause we thought he had to be blue XD

On March 27 2014 03:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
My case on thrawn:

Meta part is explained in my filter from Extractor trick.
In that game i claimed cop 1h into the game. thrawn said "you could be mafia for fakeclaiming". I asked him why. His reasoning was "because you also fakeclaimed cop in Witchcraft mini". Just because i did something in some other game does not make me mafia. After that thrawn refused to elaborate more on the reasoning while repeateldy being asked about it. He also made some contradicting things like putting gumshoe into L-1 in IML game then basically said "don't hammer" which made no sense. The point is thrawn does not do stuff that makes no sense or does not not explain his shit as town, he does that as mafia. In this game he does stuff that makes no sense as my quotes above and below, as Holyflares case do explain.

Here is the TLDR; from thrawns case which elaborate more on the point i presented earlier. Also there is stuff in his case where the TLDR; does not match up with what he says. His case in full so you can compare;
+ Show Spoiler +

On March 27 2014 01:45 prplhz wrote:
I can absolutely see this better from Holyflare's side. IAmRobik's play is hard to understand (he even admits so himself?) and I don't know why raynpelikoneet can't understand that other people might have this problem with IAmRobik's play. I don't think I got anything out of it though because it was just a lot of text and mainly about what I think was a misunderstanding.

On March 27 2014 05:07 Palmar wrote:
Well meta is the part that makes you say with confidence he'd not do stuff like withhold reads or jump on cases as town.

On March 27 2014 05:13 Palmar wrote:
And that is a great point, and unless I'm blind was not part of the case you told me to read.

On March 27 2014 06:06 prplhz wrote:
My list of games where raynpelikoneet thinks I'm scum: all of them

On March 27 2014 06:09 IAmRobik wrote:
My list:

On March 27 2014 06:16 prplhz wrote:

"I dunno" what don't you know?

On March 27 2014 06:18 prplhz wrote:
no i mean, what do you mean by "I dunno" in that post?

On March 26 2014 20:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I think game is kinda easy because i don't really see anyone being mafia except for thrawn/Palmar/prplhz.
Off chance for a couple of other players but chances are small, like 3%.

On March 27 2014 18:45 prplhz wrote:
i think what marv means is that palmar looks like scum

if he didn't read his role pm and looks like scum all we know is that he looks like scum and then we should lynch him
if he DID read his role pm and looks like scum all we know is that he looks like scum and then we should lynch him

he thinks it's silly to invalidate an entire case just because "maybe the subject of the case didn't read his pm", i mean you need to evaluate a case by its contents not by whether or not the subject did or did not read his pm

On March 28 2014 06:54 prplhz wrote:
wow if this is true it invalidates your entire case marv how do you know it isn't true

On March 28 2014 09:38 marvellosity wrote:

This is pretty silly because I cannot possibly give any justification for being alive at lylo having led a mafia lynch on day 1...

On March 28 2014 09:40 marvellosity wrote:

second quote is sarcasm

On March 28 2014 10:10 marvellosity wrote:
you need to let your prplhz-hatred go bubba

On March 28 2014 10:30 gumshoe wrote:


I am asking that question because I think your shit throwing on the towniest person in thread because you feel the need to do something drastic. And I think your doing that because your scum : D

On March 28 2014 10:42 marvellosity wrote:
impossible, literally impossible

On March 28 2014 10:52 marvellosity wrote:
you even got my knack for overly-categorical statements, so it must be true

On March 28 2014 10:56 marvellosity wrote:
like, the kind of exaggerated confidence i might state something in

On March 28 2014 10:59 marvellosity wrote:
the FTFY

it's not important :p

On March 28 2014 00:02 marvellosity wrote:

That's what BH quoted when he was totally outed by town as scum in a game long ago. Palmar and I both thought it was a hilarious way to claim mafia.

On March 28 2014 18:17 Holyflare wrote:
if either you or thrawn is scum there is nothing you can do to win this game at all

On March 28 2014 18:23 Holyflare wrote:
it's 8 vs 1 right now and they HAVE to kill me to stop me saving people and then it's 7vs1 and if we lynch thrawn and prpl and they are both town it's 3vs1 and even at that point it should be more than obvious who is mafia

On March 28 2014 18:47 thrawn2112 wrote:
anyways i am well on my way to being drunk and i have learned my lesson about that. ttyl

On March 28 2014 18:57 prplhz wrote:
i missed the bh context, thought it was just a throwaway "frustrated townie" outburst and didn't really consider it important at all. then i missed that single post because i read all other posts on that page (and in the game). doesn't even matter because i was voting palmar way before that even happened.

On March 28 2014 19:03 Holyflare wrote:
explain it to me?

On March 28 2014 16:22 thrawn2112 wrote:


i didn't lie, nothing in the shit you said I did consitutes a lie, saying it does over and over doesn't make it true

On March 28 2014 19:20 marvellosity wrote:

I don't really think prplhz is mafia.

On March 28 2014 19:28 thrawn2112 wrote:


it's annoying,

he;s saying I lied. nothing in what he';s saying I did is a lie. and even without that, there';s nothing in what he;s saying i did that makes me scummy

tbh I think that;s the main reason so many people sheeped the thrawn wagon, like they just casually read hf's stuff and assumed it must be true or something. i've made a few posts about how it no such lie exists and hf keeps coming back with "no you lied gg no re" and it's getting really irritating

tldr hf is an ass

On March 28 2014 19:49 Holyflare wrote:


I'm talking about palmar loving to lynch all liars and agreeing that thrawn was a liar but then unvoting him at the first opportunity he could, ignoring the original lie.

On March 28 2014 19:52 thrawn2112 wrote:
i'm not a liar u twat

On March 28 2014 16:32 Holyflare wrote:
And you did lie. It's the simple truth. You said your vote occurred for one reason at a specific time when it occurred at another time for different reasons. Palmar agreed with this. If palmar agreed with it he agreed with you being a liar in which case he would lynch you.
He didn't do that.

If he "town" slipped you the first thing you'd do would be to point that out and eliminate yourself from suspicion.

On March 28 2014 20:11 thrawn2112 wrote:
ok. i think i understand,

i had two reasons why i thought rayn was mafia. these reasons occured to me at different times, here is the order n which they occured

reason 1) the real reason i voted for him, which was becasue I thought the tone of his game post was extremely fake

then rayn says that none of it was a lie, that #2 was actaully true

reason 2) i thought what rayn said about robik was pretty dumb and beneath town rayn.


reason 2 is what I mentioned in the thead. I didn't not mentioned reason 1 because I am hesitant to tell mafia that i am voting for them off the tone of their posts, which is something they can easily change.

i don't undersatnd how any of that is a lie?

On March 21 2014 03:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
This game is called what would you do as town:

Scenario 1:
There is a big argument between two players in thread. You decide it's important regarding players alignments because you weigh in to the argument. What do you do?
1) Give your opinions on the players and tell which are good and bad. Say if someone looks scummy because of it or if it does not you point the thread to a different (right) direction.
2) Do not comment on the argumet at all, call one player out for it not really telling why or using some crap reasoning like "he should do something else". Call noone scum, give no better direction, throw a vote on someone, say "case later kthxye" and peace out.

Scenario 2:
You have a vote on your top scumread and people are waiting on your case. What do you do?
1) Make a case on your scumread, try to convince people on voting for him.
2) Make a case where you don't really call your scumread scum, continue discussing the scenario 1 matters, call another player out multiple times without calling calling him scum, defend/question a couple of other people on other things. peace out.

Scenario 3:
You have been out of the thread for a day. It's close to lynch, what do you do?
1) Make a case on your top scumread and try to convince people to vote for them, or weigh between the cases that are present and give resons why you sheep the best case.
2) Make a huge fucking case on someone who is not your top scumread. Then make another huge fucking case on your top scumread. In that case, say that this dude is definitely mafia regardless of this third guy's alignment. Proceed on voting for the third guy who you just said you are not even sure is mafia.

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If you answered (1) more Giggletummy should be mafia.
If you answered (2) more you are mafia.

On March 26 2014 14:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
This is a game of two truths and i lie. In this post there is going to be one lie. You need to guess where:

1) I started using the smiley only lately, some moths or maybe half a year ago because i like how it looks. I don't remember who used it in mafia games (maybe it was marv?) but anyways someone did and i think the colored smiley it gives looks cute. Therefore i have almost abandoned every other smiley, while i normally prefer ^^ , ^_^ , or :D . I absolutely hate XD smiley because when i played brood war a lot in battle.net when someone used XD you could tell they were Spanish. I hated Spanish kids in brood war. They thought everyone can speak español and they ended every single thing they said with XD or XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXD. Only thing they could say in English was "ally end" when they were about lo lose and i was about to ruin their precious stats. I refused to understand English at that point and started talking in Finnish. Anyways that smiley makes me see red every time i see it, except for when gumshoe does it. Just because gumshoe is so adorable.

2) My "town wins this belt" post was indeed a town claim. I was happy rolling town and i don't give a fuck who else is town because i just find two mafia and then town wins the belt. I am also amused that Robik has called my alignment correctly out three times based on my usage / usagelessness. I don't know how he does it and i don't think it's alignment indicative but i am really interested in seeing is so some sort of psychic or what because i have a townread on him in this game. I don't believe Robik yet, i mean, i don't believe that's a reliable tell but we'll see about that when / if he does that a couple of times more and if he is right or wrong.

3) I think this is absolutely the worst post in thread:

On March 28 2014 20:22 thrawn2112 wrote:
the 2nd is overly happy and generally annoying to read and comprehend whereas 1 makes sense and is serious and much mroe related to actual scumhunting

On March 28 2014 20:29 thrawn2112 wrote:


OBVIOUSLY NOT,

lol. elsewise i wouldn;t be in this mess. i have admitted as much

On March 28 2014 20:36 thrawn2112 wrote:
yes rayn i am terribad

actually no i am not

because i DID go back and reread the entire thread and i realized my initial reads were stupid and based on me being tired and lazy, and I decided to throw those reads away and try to form new ones and I have evidence to prove that I did so (all my spoilers)

so whatever

On March 28 2014 20:45 marvellosity wrote:
what do you think mafia-thrawn has to gain from so blatantly changing his reads like that?

On March 28 2014 20:54 Holyflare wrote:

Huuuuuuuh?

On March 28 2014 20:56 Holyflare wrote:


He said he voted you on tone before caring about content, he asked you questions about content and only voted you after you replied?

On March 28 2014 21:00 marvellosity wrote:

Actually if rayn is accurate, then going from you town to much less town is the opposite of going towards town consensus