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On March 22 2014 00:45 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Fill the game up quickly so I can host my game guys! Goes faster if you in and then claim scum. | ||
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Then just lynch Holyflare so no more belt for him. Start playing on N1. | ||
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On March 24 2014 11:01 iamperfection wrote: Please take note of this. 3 spots left. also could use another co host. One that may be willing do do a deadline post possibly. You should also ban townie seals. | ||
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On March 26 2014 05:05 Palmar wrote: Policy lynching anyone with less than 9 pages of filter day 1, regardless of my alignment. Well you can just say "lynch gumshoe". | ||
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On March 26 2014 08:09 Palmar wrote: rayn give me some game that isn't foundation where you rolled scum please. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/441979-vengeful-mini-mafia?user=raynpelikoneet http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/430498-world-heavyweight-championship-mafia?user=raynpelikoneet http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/433955-witchcraft-mini-mafia-ii?user=raynpelikoneet http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/423071-tl-mafia-lxii-tl-noir?user=raynpelikoneet http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/432504-mafia?user=raynpelikoneet http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/423047-got-mafia-lords-and-liars?user=raynpelikoneet 6 last scumgames. Why didn't you bother to check the database yourself? | ||
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On March 26 2014 08:13 Palmar wrote: My idea kinda died anyway. I just remembered that rayn also did a townclaim at the beginning of titanic, and that he didn't really in foundation, but reading back I found that he opened with that unvoting plan in default suspicion, so whatever. I sometimes claim town as town, sometimes i claim town as scum. Sometimes i don't as either alignment. | ||
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On March 26 2014 08:19 Palmar wrote: But do you claim scum? Cause that is what takes real balls. No i don't. I consider that as playing against my wincon regardless of my affiliation unless there is a very specific situation. | ||
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On March 26 2014 08:29 Palmar wrote: Do you think you will get an answer from gumshoe that has any chance of moving your read on him forward? If so, what kind of an answer would make you lean one way or the other? Over-explained answer could be indicative of scumshoe. He tried to over-explain shit last game (geript's PYP) as mafia and it backpedalled quite hard. He also knows i am a tunnely guy and he also knows my questions have motive behind them so therefore he knows he must answer to me. Joke is a joke, but gumshoe getting possibly scared as scum was worth a try. | ||
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On March 26 2014 08:58 gumshoe wrote: But it is likely that a response will come easily, all you do if Rayns scum is strengthen his position in thread after an easy question, and I dont bilieve you honestly couldnt come with your own explanation for why Rayn asked his question of me. Therefore I find your question not only pointless, but harmful / : wait what? Asking questions is scummy because it makes mafia gain town credit? What kinda shitlogic is this? | ||
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Do you think he is scummy because; 1) he is asking useless question, or 2) he took my answer at face value? In my opinion these are different things and you have now said both of them. | ||
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On March 26 2014 09:06 gumshoe wrote: MEGA LOGIC Im saying his question was dumb, which is funny because he accused you of much the same, and the only outcome of that question was that you would answer it and come off looking strong, regardless of your alignment. Whereas your question was directed at someone (me) known to crack under pressure as scum and who had done so in a game you and palmer had just played. That question was perfectly fine. I am pretty sure Palmar did not accuse me of anything. | ||
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On March 26 2014 09:11 gumshoe wrote: I do not for a second think he could not come up with his own valid reasoning for your question twoards me and I dont see how he could imagine you in any world giving something up in response. As if when your scum you dont bother with reasons, whereas the opposite is true, your far more careful as red and he should know that. The outcome of the question is inevitable, you look capable, he gives ground, it was unlikely to go any other way(and I dont see what other path he could have honestly imagined) and therefore it was pointless. Hes either fienting in an effort to kick start or hes scum trying to fit in. One thing for sure though, hes not bieng genuine atm. See gumshoe here is my problem. I am a player who asks questions, obviously. When i ask questions, assuming i am not questioning something i do not understand, there are expected answers: 1) scummy type of answer, or townie type of answer, or both 2) answer i did not expect which leads to further investigation Now i don't always expect people to understand why i do ask questions i do in the first place. That would defeat the purpose of my play in total. If you can tell what my question is going to achieve you know (as mafia) how you should be answering it. Right? So, my question to you is: I don't understand why do you assume Palmar should assume what i am thinking and why i ask what i do. How do you suggest town!Palmar should read me if he is not "allowed" to figure out my motives behind my posts? Or do you think it's reasonable to assume Palmar should have realized what i was after? Did you know what i expected town!gumshoe to answer when i asked you my question? | ||
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On March 26 2014 09:21 Palmar wrote: This is where we disagree. Read the initial question again, it says "why robik over anyone else". Because I am not rayn I assumed that was actually what he was asking, ie, for you to explain why you hadn't picked me, or marv, or someone else, and I couldn't think of a response that would make your seemingly random choice any scummier or townier. I did not consider that rayn was fishing for the nature of your reaction. The whole point of the question was it was a loaded one, which gave gumshoe an "out" which was not really an out but a bait instead - in case he got scared. | ||
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gumshoe how do you ended up to this conclusion in the first place? | ||
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On March 26 2014 09:39 gumshoe wrote: [...] He found you scummy because of your question, he wasnt just trying to find out your intent. Point is, I dont see how he could have anticipated the intent you chose to reveal bieng scummy. Therefore the only likely outcome of the question is that you both come to an understanding. No gumshoe. That's saying "if he didn't have an intention behind the question i would find him scummy". | ||
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"A variety of answers are null, but there is a possibility of scummy one." Why did you figure that out from my question but not from Palmar's? | ||
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On March 26 2014 09:44 gumshoe wrote: He said he could not think of a reason, therefore he thought you were scummy. Which is bull cause theres no way he couldnt think up a reason, therefore he is not genuine for whatever reason. Can you point out where he says this? | ||
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On March 26 2014 09:43 marvellosity wrote: Looks like you made a case on yourself and then voted someone else, Palmar. Tsk. marv why this crappycrap? | ||
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Okay so we obviously disagree about the meaning of that post. I think i am right given Palmar's earlier posts which point towards me being right. | ||
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Also why don't you understand Palmar's post, it's pretty clear? | ||
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On March 26 2014 09:53 marvellosity wrote: I have to assume this is directed at me, but nowhere did I indicate I did not understand Palmar's post. Read again. meh okay, you're just weird. but do you think gumshoe is mafia? | ||
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On March 26 2014 08:29 Palmar wrote: Do you think you will get an answer from gumshoe that has any chance of moving your read on him forward? If so, what kind of an answer would make you lean one way or the other? On March 26 2014 08:38 Palmar wrote: There is no reason for him not to answer you as any alignment, but I guess it is actually reasonable to think there is a small chance of panic and overexplanation. On March 26 2014 08:53 Palmar wrote: If rayn does not have an explanation to his question it makes the question pointless and thus rayn more likely to be mafia. On March 26 2014 08:54 Palmar wrote: The point being that I did not see how any answer I expected could possibly have revealed anything about your alignment. Let me make myself Palmar for a second: "I don't get why you are asking gumshoe that shit. I can't think of a reason but maybe there is one. Let's see if there is a reason or not. Otherwise rayn is probably mafia. Okay he told me the reason, hmm.. seems reasonable, no need to pursue this further." Everything after that is explaining the motivation behind the original question. Now why is this not an acceptable scenario given the posts i quoted? I mean of course it's possible Palmar was just lazy scum who was not thinking at all and asked useless shit but is it more likely? I can't tell based on these relevant posts so i consider this a null-tell. So if you have some awesome evidence i have missed which proves Palmar was just making shit up for no reason please elaborate. | ||
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There is no reason for him not to answer you as any alignment, but I guess it is actually reasonable to think there is a small chance of panic and overexplanation. Why are you selectively quoting posts and not taking account the whole conversation? | ||
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1) I started using the smiley only lately, some moths or maybe half a year ago because i like how it looks. I don't remember who used it in mafia games (maybe it was marv?) but anyways someone did and i think the colored smiley it gives looks cute. Therefore i have almost abandoned every other smiley, while i normally prefer ^^ , ^_^ , or :D . I absolutely hate XD smiley because when i played brood war a lot in battle.net when someone used XD you could tell they were Spanish. I hated Spanish kids in brood war. They thought everyone can speak español and they ended every single thing they said with XD or XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXD. Only thing they could say in English was "ally end" when they were about lo lose and i was about to ruin their precious stats. I refused to understand English at that point and started talking in Finnish. Anyways that smiley makes me see red every time i see it, except for when gumshoe does it. Just because gumshoe is so adorable. 2) My "town wins this belt" post was indeed a town claim. I was happy rolling town and i don't give a fuck who else is town because i just find two mafia and then town wins the belt. I am also amused that Robik has called my alignment correctly out three times based on my usage / usagelessness. I don't know how he does it and i don't think it's alignment indicative but i am really interested in seeing is so some sort of psychic or what because i have a townread on him in this game. I don't believe Robik yet, i mean, i don't believe that's a reliable tell but we'll see about that when / if he does that a couple of times more and if he is right or wrong. 3) I think this is absolutely the worst post in thread: On March 26 2014 13:22 Holyflare wrote: So why do you not mention that rayn is super town based on x, y, z but instead mention that you read him as town from an alignment null post? Were you lying? | ||
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On March 26 2014 14:14 Holyflare wrote: point 3 is obviously a lie incorrect. | ||
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On March 26 2014 14:14 thrawn2112 wrote: rayn do you think you look townie? yes | ||
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On March 26 2014 14:16 thrawn2112 wrote: why? because i have found many townies. | ||
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On March 26 2014 14:17 Holyflare wrote: well then you are bad because he said you looked town for a "town claim" that wasn't a town claim inherently and then when i said it was null he said "he looks town for other reasons too" so either in the first instance he was lying or the second instance he was lying so no rayn, why are you being so bad? point 2 has to be the lie then That's not what he said. You are interpreting the post in a way it's not meant. That's absolutely not what Robik says. 2 is incorrect too. | ||
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On March 26 2014 14:24 Holyflare wrote: You say you have a town read on robik but in the same fucking paragraph you say that maybe it's not a town read because he is doing weird shit. You point out the weird shit so you can no longer get a decent tell on him based on that because you outlined exactly the weird shit that he is doing... No that's not what i am saying. l2r | ||
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Also 1 is also true, it was the heading that was a lie. | ||
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On March 26 2014 14:44 Holyflare wrote: Please point out to me how that is retarded, robik called you an alignment he shouldn't know if you were town based on having read 1 of your games of mafia and 0 of your games as town, based on a post that was not alignment indicative and if anything pointed towards you being more mafia leaned than anything. Explain to me in what world someone does that. I have also been reading your scum games and the smiley face heuristic is just not true. Even in foundation the only mafia game he has seen you play you do not use a smiley face to say you are town. Please just let go of this. I am not going to address your case because it's shit. You are either not reading properly or you are mafia and if you are going to go with this i am not willing to talk to you. Do what the fuck you want then. I am not getting into 500 post shitfest with you because the only thing it does is distract me. I am also not going to tell you where your logic fails hard because someone else can do it for me and we get some reads off this. If you are town i suggest you stop. | ||
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On March 26 2014 14:46 IAmRobik wrote: No clue. Not ready to take a stance on him. I am interested why you repeatedly say "you're wrong on rayn". To me this implicates you think/know he is town because if he is mafia he can't be wrong on me, he's just making shit up. | ||
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On March 26 2014 14:44 IAmRobik wrote: My initial impression is that thrawn is just being thrawn of GSL and using a tactic to illicit reactions. That's why I think he's town. No he implied he has a scumread on me. thrawn is not stupid, he is using shitlogic so he must be mafia. | ||
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If thrawn thinks i would "scumslip" like that as mafia he must be mafia. Apparently he thinks so. | ||
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On March 26 2014 14:50 thrawn2112 wrote: ... last game holyflare caught mafia instantly Was there any townie in the game or in obs QT who said "wow Holyflare's case is so good and 100% proves DP is mafia"? If not, why do you think being right for wrong reasons is "caught"? | ||
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Another dumb assumption from thrawn he should not make. | ||
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On March 26 2014 15:07 Holyflare wrote: even right now you don't want to talk about our "shit logic" cases but you bring up nothing else to talk about, you don't want to find out our alignments, you just make sweeping statements! why not question why i have a "shit logic" case? Am I mafia trying to get a mislynch on you and probably robik or am i town who thinks i am right and should be calmed down to stop the shit posting? why are you not conversing with me and instead saying everything is bad/mafia? you don't even point out why robik's post isn't a lie it's just "you wrong with shit logic, you mafia" Your case on Palmar is reaching, your case on me is pure shit. You are either insane or mafia and discussing it with you does not help. Is there anything else? | ||
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I am more interested in what other people think about all this. There is nothing i want to discuss with you. | ||
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On March 26 2014 15:04 Holyflare wrote: and marv too This is 100% untrue. marv only said DP is mafia when he came back to thread at N1 start and didn't look at the flip but instead started reading the thread from where he had left. In fact at the end of D1 marv said he is "starting to think HF is scum for this retardo-tunnel". So i am not sure if you think this is "marv pointed out the same things i did". | ||
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On March 26 2014 15:16 Holyflare wrote: discussing it would calm me down and stop me from shitposting which is absolutely what you'd want to do as a townie because then you can explain what's going on and see my reactions to something being wrong you don't do that, you don't point out why it's wrong, you're ignoring blatant lies from another player, you post a giant fucking wall of text that says nothing other than the person who made a lie is town for no reason whatsoever you are mafia The only person who has lied in this thread is you. But making a case on you based on that would be nearly as retarded as your cases. | ||
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On March 26 2014 15:28 thrawn2112 wrote: phagga: I thought rayn was lying about point #2 because of how stupid it was. So I thought he was scum reading robik but I wanted to make sure I was interpreting the post correctly apparently #2 is truth so rayn's mafia So here you literally prove you have no idea why i am townreading Robik and have no intention of figuring that out. In my "game" post i never explain why i townread Robik, it's pretty clear from that post. You are too smart to make dumb conclusions based on incomplete information and that's why i think you are mafia. | ||
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He thinks he can read me based purely on my tone of my posts (or one post). Now i don't know if he actually can or can't (i personally think he can't), but the way he expresses the read later on comes off as incredibly townie. He is proud of his read, he is happy he has found a townie and he doesn't give a fuck what anyone thinks about his read. That, to me, reads as very very unlike thing to do as mafia. | ||
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On March 26 2014 15:30 thrawn2112 wrote: as to why I asked for clarification.. i'd like to talk about reads rather than playing games to figure out wtf everyone is saying. i'm too tired for that atm Also this post is really really scummy because here thrawn claims he has no time for games and he wants to talk about reads. What's contradictory to this he never really explains why he has a scumread on me, he does not explain why he is voting for me. He does not ask me why i am townreading Robik. He does (or rather doesn't do) all this and then he whines about "people not being transparent and clear with their thoughts". | ||
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thrawn however does not do this as town. He is mostly laid back, doesn't jump onto conclusions with incomplete informatio. Remember, that has nothing to do with maked bad calls (like in LXIV: restart) based on complete picture. I am talking about filling the puzzle with something he makes up himself. In fact the only time i have seen him do this is as mafia in Extractor trick which made me instantly catch him. And i think we have just seen the same thing here. | ||
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On March 26 2014 15:47 Holyflare wrote: I think you're misconstruing the timeline of events here he says he can read you town based off of one alignment null post ----> i ask him why ----> he says just because and then elaborates some bs about smileys that isn't true in any of your games and doesn't apply to your first post at all ---> then says it must be true based off of one games reading when you were mafia but in a bad game ----> then says he hasn't read any of your town games so doesn't actually know whether what he says is true or not What does this have to do with anything i have said? I have never elaborated on if i think that's a legit way to form a read or not. I have said it's not scummy because i know that's how Robik reads people when he is town. He thinks it's a good way to form reads and so far he has been about 90% correct in his reads formed that way. | ||
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There is a difference between meta and tone. | ||
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On March 26 2014 15:56 Holyflare wrote: so WHY NOT SAY THIS 4 PAGES BACK INSTEAD OF SAYING IT'S SHIT LOGIC how the fuck do i know how robik plays and when he points out that he hasn't read any of your town games i just take that lying down? no i push that you could have said anything to stop me doing this but you perpetuated that it was a bad case, shit logic, don't want to talk to me etc etc why? Because i wanted to see other people's opinions on this and i caught mafia!thrawn. | ||
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There is no way thrawn thinks i am mafia. If he was town he would have questioned me about my posts and intentions. | ||
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On March 26 2014 15:57 Holyflare wrote: i have played 0 games with robik so i have no idea what he does or doesn't do, why are you implying i should know this and therefore my logic is bad instead of telling me the reason beforehand? Because i thought you would see the difference between meta and tone. I think it's quite clear from Robik's posts. Also if YOU had checked his meta (previous games) you would see this is what he ALWAYS does, and therefore it's a town tell or at worst a null tell (as he has never played as mafia on TL). | ||
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Trust me i am not. I guarantee you thrawn. I also would like you to read my posts again and explain to me why i am full of shit. What does not add up? | ||
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On March 26 2014 16:01 Holyflare wrote: this is a legit good post for thrawn to make and he backed it up with research as well No it's not because before this thrawn has voted for me. Later on whehe he explains why he voted for me he does not say "at first it was pressure (or whatever) and seemed a bit scummy and then rayn did not explain himself despite me asking him to do so". He has really no intention of figuring out what i mean, i even say multiple times "you don't even know why i have a townread on Robik" yet he still assumes he knows why and does not ask me why nor does he re-think his vote. | ||
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That's not true Holyflare. | ||
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On March 26 2014 16:07 Holyflare wrote: and i do the same thing but you say i am town, you dismiss everything anyone says and don't even question your read on a player that you have seen play mafia 0 times Again i am not saying you are town. What's up with this misrepresentation? Have i said somewhere i think you are town? "I think Holyflare could do this as town" != "I think Holyflare is town". I don't know if you can understand why i am townreading Robik or not but this is useless because i don't care if you think i can have a townread on him or not. I am confident on my read so unless you can prove he is mafia there is nothing to talk about it because i do not have to prove he is town. | ||
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On March 26 2014 16:14 Holyflare wrote: no he lied and you said NOTHING about it you dismissed talking to me entirely, you said it was shit logic and you aggrevated me "to get reads on players" so no rayn, fucking explain why it is NOT A LIE Robik has not lied about anything. | ||
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In the second quote he says this is his first game with me when i am town. Where is the lie? He is not saying "rayn does this only as mafia and never does this as town". He is referring to this particular situation in this particular game. It's not a meta read as i already pointed out to you. Why is this so hard? He assumes my "tone" would be different if i was mafia. | ||
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On March 26 2014 16:21 Holyflare wrote: In the first quote, he establishes that as mafia you would post a smiley after that first post. In NO game ever have you done that and believe me I checked almost every single game of your mafia games. Maybe you should check again because this is untrue. | ||
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On February 13 2014 06:40 IAmRobik wrote: I mean, I've never searched for a game thread to prove someone is maf/town, but when people have done it in the past, they've generally been town. Also, I might want to rescind my original comment of round being my top town. I said it because I thought that I remembered smiley faces and stuff being towny, but now that I think of it, it could be the exact opposite read. I don't remember anymore. From Foundation: On March 05 2014 03:14 IAmRobik wrote: What am I answering? I'm pretty sure I laid out why I thought Boone was scummy. Also, there is like a 70% chance you're scum this game rayn. It's quite sad. I was really hoping we'd both be town. In both instances Robik calls me mafia because of a post i "incorrectly" used a smiley. | ||
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On March 26 2014 16:30 Holyflare wrote: Rayn did this in one game but isn't doing it here is the very definition of meta The second quote is referring to this game and to another situation. | ||
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"In last two games i have played with rayn he put a smiley on a place it did not belong in one of his first posts. Both times i called him out of it and i think that is indicative of him being mafia if he does so because he was mafia in those two games and that felt so off to me. In those games - at first - i was not 100% sure if he is mafia because of it but i now trust i can read him based on that (because i was right twice already). In this game, if rayn was mafia, i think he would have put a smiley after his first post of the game. He didn't, so i think it's indicative of him being town. He hasn't put a smiley in places they "do not belong" after that, and nothing in his posts seems scummy, so that strengthens my read. In fact, the post he used a smiley in this game i think the smiley belonged there and it was not forced (which is the scumtell i recognize from earlier games with him)." Now why is this simple logic so fucking hard to understand? | ||
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On March 26 2014 16:56 Holyflare wrote: "thrawn doesn't jump to conclusions as town" is not an explanation and not a case on why i should sheep your excellent read and "thrawn is smarter than that" is also not a reason where thrawn linked shit that proves you think otherwise so like i said, prove to me he is mafia That is a complete misrepresentation of what i have said about thrawn's play. | ||
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On March 26 2014 15:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: Also this post is really really scummy because here thrawn claims he has no time for games and he wants to talk about reads. What's contradictory to this he never really explains why he has a scumread on me, he does not explain why he is voting for me. He does not ask me why i am townreading Robik. He does (or rather doesn't do) all this and then he whines about "people not being transparent and clear with their thoughts". Obvious contradiction. On March 26 2014 15:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: To clarify. I think Holyflare is "capable" of using shitlogic like this because i have seen him doing that as town before. For example Holyflare defended vivax in the last game based on something he didn't know fuck about, he only knew half of the story. thrawn however does not do this as town. He is mostly laid back, doesn't jump onto conclusions with incomplete informatio. Remember, that has nothing to do with maked bad calls (like in LXIV: restart) based on complete picture. I am talking about filling the puzzle with something he makes up himself. In fact the only time i have seen him do this is as mafia in Extractor trick which made me instantly catch him. And i think we have just seen the same thing here. Meta + thrawn making unreasonable assumptions. Both of these things are something thrawn does not do as town, because he is not crazy town like you for example can be. | ||
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On March 26 2014 17:06 Holyflare wrote: and not it is not, i remembered correctly: WHY DO YOU LEAVE OUT THE INCOMPLETE INFORMATION PART? WHY HOLYFLARE? ARE YOU FUCKING STUPID? OR MAFIA? | ||
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On March 26 2014 17:07 thrawn2112 wrote: then read it again. he's making stuff up and not making any sense. the initial reason I voted for him which I haven';t explained until now, is the tone of his "game" post. it looks very fake and not liek something I expect rayn to write regardless of whatever I think about the content of the post. as to the content... "2) My "town wins this belt" post was indeed a town claim. I was happy rolling town and i don't give a fuck who else is town because i just find two mafia and then town wins the belt. I am also amused that Robik has called my alignment correctly out three times based on my usage / usagelessness. I don't know how he does it and i don't think it's alignment indicative but i am really interested in seeing is so some sort of psychic or what because i have a townread on him in this game. I don't believe Robik yet, i mean, i don't believe that's a reliable tell but we'll see about that when / if he does that a couple of times more and if he is right or wrong." -i doubt rayn doesn't care about winning the belt - "I don't know how he does it and i don't think it's alignment indicative" what the fuck does this even mean? if robik is scum then of course he is not "some sort of psychic" who is excellent at reading rayn. if robik is scum the robik KNOWS RAYN IS TOWN and doesn't need to try and figure out if rayn is town. like... i can't properly explain the problem I have with this quote because I don't even know what the quote is meant to say. it's just nonsense. -this line: "i don't believe that's a reliable tell but we'll see about that when / if he does that a couple of times more and if he is right or wrong." WTF DOES THIS MEAN? it's the same as the earlier quote. rayn is just talking nonsense here which is the easiest way to figure out his alignment. when I read rayn's game my first thought was "ok, rayn is being sarcastic for most if not all of this" so I ask him to clarify if he was actually reading robik as scum but he says all those statements are real? lol AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! | ||
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On March 26 2014 17:17 Holyflare wrote: are you going to say about him voting you before that post because it isn't true ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? what....the....fuck?!?!?!?!?!?!?! | ||
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But only on D2, D1 we lynch mafia. I am not sure if Holyflare is mafia (inb4 he claims "rayn knows i am town"). | ||
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or phagga. or anyone with brain. lol, i have no idea what to think of this. like, how can someone twist everything so badly. | ||
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On March 26 2014 17:26 Holyflare wrote: because you put me in a fowl mood by being a dick to me instead of actually attempting to talk things through with me so of course it's made my judgement clouded because you are a twat Okay take a break for a while or read the thread again, it's not so big. You are repeatedly jumping to conclusions that are false just because you assume you know better than the person who made those posts in the first place. Everything i have said i have explained and it makes perfect sense (besides the last thrawn post but i want opinions first before i state my conclusions on that). If you are town don't jump on the first conclusion you can remotely think of, think a bit more please. You are better than this. | ||
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On March 26 2014 17:34 Holyflare wrote: you know what stops that? not calling things "shit logic" or "bad" and instead talking about WHY it is bad or bad logic, tell us why thrawn is mafia for that post I am sorry i genuinely wanted other people's opinions on me before being clear. I could have told you where you go wrong in the first place but that would have probably ended up in thrawn getting away with his shit. | ||
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On March 26 2014 17:31 Holyflare wrote: thrawn you mafia bro: Rayns post is at 14:12 thrawn's vote is at 14:22 after already questioning about the content at 14:19 so his vote came after all of that I don't get this. Can you elaborate more? | ||
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On March 26 2014 17:40 Holyflare wrote: so then you keep doing something that is scummy and call me scummy for pointing that out...? you serious bro? No i don't think anything i have done is scummy. I agree it's not as townie as it could be (regarding your play in case you are town) but then again i do not know if you are town or not. I also never lied, i never said anything i did not mean to say. I said i don't care about your read on me (based on bad stuff) and i asked you to stop. I also said what i think of your conclusions (robik didn't lie, your case on me was bad and invalid, case on Palmar was bad). That's not scummy. I simply refused to contribute more until i could gain more info on the events that were going on, which i think i clearly expressed. | ||
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I mean, if i had a really strong townread on you i would have acted otherwise. But i didn't, so this gave me the most information possible. | ||
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On March 26 2014 17:42 Holyflare wrote: just tell me your reason that you posted a giant wall of ahahahaha's this reason is that he said he "voted you for the tone of your post" regardless of any of the content, he did not vote until he had read the content and got you to expand on it so his initial "vote for the tone of your post" wasn't true and even if it was it would be a vote on nothing because you can't read tone without content Yes in fact this is true. I didn't even look at when i answered his initial question. | ||
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I'll be honest with you because you keep bringing this up again and again. I don't need to convince anyone but marv because he is the one who will be listened to anyways. So i am waiting for him to come here. | ||
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On March 26 2014 18:14 Holyflare wrote: why not just post it so we can all read it...? Because it doesn't mean shit. Why would i want to convince someone who is acting dumb and still has his vote on me despite agreeing with me on my lynch target? Or someone who has a case on me and who i think is mafia? The only people i can now convince are people who think i am mafia, and i don't give a fuck about people who think i am mafia. Noone else has said what they do think about my case so they don't need convincing (as they have not said they disagree). I would rather convince other people, like marv who can sway every single vote. | ||
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then read it again. he's making stuff up and not making any sense. the initial reason I voted for him which I haven';t explained until now, is the tone of his "game" post. it looks very fake and not liek something I expect rayn to write regardless of whatever I think about the content of the post. as to the content... If you read the content of his case and see if it matches up with the "TLDR;" he writes at the start of his post you'll notice: red) i am not making up stuff anywhere and thrawn does not explain where i do it blue) this is a part of my case. thrawn makes judgement calls on incomplete information. what i say is not scummy just because thrawn does not understand that. ne never cares what my intention of saying things i say is (which i have pointed out). also read my case why this is scummy for thrawn. green) I didn't find this notable in the first place, it's just "this happened", does not say why i am mafia in any reasonable way, but what you pointed out in fact proves this in fact did not even happen as thrawn says it did. | ||
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On March 26 2014 18:40 phagga wrote: Holyflare: rayn is always and under every circumstance gonna value your opinion/ability higher than thrawns. No necessarily true. | ||
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On March 26 2014 18:43 Holyflare wrote: yes he even linked evidence to say why he thought that That "evidence" is a pile of shit. If a random noob makes more sense than marv i value their opinion more than marv's. That's a pile of shit because everyone who has any idea of how i play does not buy that shit thrawn says as town, not even he himself. | ||
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On March 26 2014 18:50 Holyflare wrote: what...? he says you'd value holy's opinion the majority of the time over mine which is mostly true, he never talks in absolutes? Yes and that's not true and everyone knows that, including you and thrawn. Unless you have no idea how i play which i don't believe. | ||
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On March 26 2014 18:51 Holyflare wrote: well no it's not a "pile of shit" it's you categorically stating that you follow my reads because bussing/right and then also stating that thrawn is a noob sooo no it's not a pile of shit IF YOU REALLY THINK I WAS SERIOUS IN WHAT I SAID IN THE BEGINNING OF TITANIC GAME YOU ARE AN IDIOT. LITERALLY AN IDIOT. or mafia. | ||
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On March 26 2014 18:54 Holyflare wrote: i'm not fucking defending thrawn here jesus christ, i'm saying that with the evidence thrawn linked it LOOKS true so why is phagga using it as a case for thrawn being mafia when the evidence suggests that it is in fact true based on what thrawn linked because it is not true and it doesn't even have anything to do with what thrawn says. It is an instance where thrawn was really stupid but that does not mean i think he will always be that stupid. rofl. | ||
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"Look, here, rayn thought i was really stupid. Now this means he will never trust what i say and thais is the evidence kthxbye!!" | ||
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Apparently not because that's exactly what he is saying imo. | ||
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On March 26 2014 18:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: Apparently not because that's exactly what he is saying imo. EBWOP: I mean the opposite. phagga clearly does think thrawn's statement is shit. That's how i read it. | ||
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also vote for thrawn and where did Palmar go, his appereance was really weak. | ||
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On March 26 2014 19:01 Palmar wrote: I'm wading through the pile of shit you and holyflare created. When you are done, if you think i created a pile of shit tell me how it is different from the "pile of shit" you and gumshoe created? | ||
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trap != "i want more opinions before i give my own" Why are you this bad Palmar? | ||
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On March 26 2014 19:30 Holyflare wrote: 3 posts till 20k marv make it a good one | ||
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Then i lynched myself. | ||
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On March 26 2014 19:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: When you are done, if you think i created a pile of shit tell me how it is different from the "pile of shit" you and gumshoe created? On March 26 2014 19:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: Palmar what do you think gumshoe's alignment is and how sure you are of it? This is the next checkpoint. At the start of N1. | ||
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On March 26 2014 20:13 prplhz wrote: okay up to date but i don't really have a single read so far but the town atmosphere is really bad, play nice okay? I don't understand why you say this? Me and Holyflare are living happily ever after and nothing else was shit in the first place, no? | ||
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On March 26 2014 20:47 marvellosity wrote: no I'm done. My last two posts at thrawn/palmar were going back to pick up on things. Jeez, keep up with the timeline. Is there a reason you are not voting for thrawn or commenting on my case on him / what Holyflare said about him? | ||
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I don't get that marv. | ||
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I think game is kinda easy because i don't really see anyone being mafia except for thrawn/Palmar/prplhz. Off chance for a couple of other players but chances are small, like 3%. | ||
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On March 26 2014 20:54 marvellosity wrote: So you're pretty sure gumshoe is town now? I have been really really sure since i started telling him why i thought his case on Palmar was dumb and started explaining him what Palmar meant with his posts. | ||
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No it's the way he was a stubborn bitch. + a bit of association theory regarding who was there at that time. | ||
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On March 26 2014 21:01 marvellosity wrote: Ok. That's mainly the reason I was town on him after it died down and hopefully it should be obvious why I didn't want to "stop" whatever gumshoe was doing by wading in with a categorical opinion at the time. I'm not quite as certain as you are though :> Yes that's why i didn't confront you about you not giving a read on him. | ||
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Also note that i didn't explain my townread on Robik and that's the only thing i didn't explain, unless someone of course asked me to explain it. | ||
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On March 27 2014 02:39 Palmar wrote: Well no, I tried to ask marv (who had at the time and still hasn't said anything worth mentioning) what he thought of holyflare. I thought HF's reactions, and how they evolved throughout your conversation are extremely difficult to fake as scum, I was actually ready to yell "RAYN MAFIA, BAD RAYN" until you actually explained why you had a townread on Robik. ie, I think you were a dick to holyflare and he responded very naturally. I wanted to know if marv had noticed the same thing, but by then he had clearly decided he wanted to call me mafia so it was a bit of a brick wall. I think you voted for me after that conversation. How does the bolded part make sense? | ||
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On March 27 2014 02:41 prplhz wrote: okay dinner is back on so i'm gone again! rayn i think i explained everything i did and if there's something i didn't explain then let me know and i'll explain it i don't do that i'm-not-saying-this-is-a-super-trap-gonna-catch-me-some-mafia-by-being-overly-secretive thing, it's way over (or below?) my level of play. my marv vote was because he was annoying (i also said that explicitly at some point even though i think it was pretty obvious). So do you think he is mafia or not for being annoying? If you think being annoying makes him mafia why didn't me being annoying make me mafia enough to vote for me? | ||
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Holy, Rayn, why do you think sloppiness is indicative of Thrawns scum play? Can you provide examples where he takes insane leaps that make him look like scum? Here, read what i wrote on thrawn in the Extractor Mini mafia game. It's on my filter pages 3-4: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/439578-extractor-trick-mini-mafia?user=Raynpelikoneet | ||
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On March 27 2014 02:58 Palmar wrote: Even if you believe I actually wanted to lynch you, wouldn't policy lynches by definition be excluded from reads? Here is the problem. I don't think your vote was a joke, or was it? If your vote is not a joke and you were serious with your policy lynch reasoning, shouldn't you still be voting for me? I thought that's what policy lynches are about. Someone does something you find worth policy lynching and then it does not matter what anyone else does. Or was it "policy lynch until i find something else"? | ||
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On March 27 2014 02:37 marvellosity wrote: rayn, you've come back at a super annoying time, I have to leave shortly and it is my mum's birthday this evening so I'll be gone for some hours. Hopefully you'll be around later this evening/tonight instead. Oh yes i most likely will be around. | ||
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On March 27 2014 03:09 Palmar wrote: I did not want to lynch you, the trap thing is a joke referring to a certain other game. Okay, fair enough. So what do you think about my case and Holyflare's case on thrawn? | ||
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On March 26 2014 17:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: Obvious contradiction. Meta + thrawn making unreasonable assumptions. Both of these things are something thrawn does not do as town, because he is not crazy town like you for example can be. Meta part is explained in my filter from Extractor trick. In that game i claimed cop 1h into the game. thrawn said "you could be mafia for fakeclaiming". I asked him why. His reasoning was "because you also fakeclaimed cop in Witchcraft mini". Just because i did something in some other game does not make me mafia. After that thrawn refused to elaborate more on the reasoning while repeateldy being asked about it. He also made some contradicting things like putting gumshoe into L-1 in IML game then basically said "don't hammer" which made no sense. The point is thrawn does not do stuff that makes no sense or does not not explain his shit as town, he does that as mafia. In this game he does stuff that makes no sense as my quotes above and below, as Holyflares case do explain. On March 26 2014 18:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: This is the TLDR thrawn gives: If you read the content of his case and see if it matches up with the "TLDR;" he writes at the start of his post you'll notice: red) i am not making up stuff anywhere and thrawn does not explain where i do it blue) this is a part of my case. thrawn makes judgement calls on incomplete information. what i say is not scummy just because thrawn does not understand that. ne never cares what my intention of saying things i say is (which i have pointed out). also read my case why this is scummy for thrawn. green) I didn't find this notable in the first place, it's just "this happened", does not say why i am mafia in any reasonable way, but what you pointed out in fact proves this in fact did not even happen as thrawn says it did. Here is the TLDR; from thrawns case which elaborate more on the point i presented earlier. Also there is stuff in his case where the TLDR; does not match up with what he says. His case in full so you can compare; + Show Spoiler + On March 26 2014 17:07 thrawn2112 wrote: then read it again. he's making stuff up and not making any sense. the initial reason I voted for him which I haven';t explained until now, is the tone of his "game" post. it looks very fake and not liek something I expect rayn to write regardless of whatever I think about the content of the post. as to the content... "2) My "town wins this belt" post was indeed a town claim. I was happy rolling town and i don't give a fuck who else is town because i just find two mafia and then town wins the belt. I am also amused that Robik has called my alignment correctly out three times based on my usage / usagelessness. I don't know how he does it and i don't think it's alignment indicative but i am really interested in seeing is so some sort of psychic or what because i have a townread on him in this game. I don't believe Robik yet, i mean, i don't believe that's a reliable tell but we'll see about that when / if he does that a couple of times more and if he is right or wrong." -i doubt rayn doesn't care about winning the belt - "I don't know how he does it and i don't think it's alignment indicative" what the fuck does this even mean? if robik is scum then of course he is not "some sort of psychic" who is excellent at reading rayn. if robik is scum the robik KNOWS RAYN IS TOWN and doesn't need to try and figure out if rayn is town. like... i can't properly explain the problem I have with this quote because I don't even know what the quote is meant to say. it's just nonsense. -this line: "i don't believe that's a reliable tell but we'll see about that when / if he does that a couple of times more and if he is right or wrong." WTF DOES THIS MEAN? it's the same as the earlier quote. rayn is just talking nonsense here which is the easiest way to figure out his alignment. when I read rayn's game my first thought was "ok, rayn is being sarcastic for most if not all of this" so I ask him to clarify if he was actually reading robik as scum but he says all those statements are real? lol | ||
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On March 27 2014 03:27 gumshoe wrote: I still dont understand the bolded T_T show me the lie, is it the same lie thrawn was talking about? As for the second paragraph, all I see is indecisive belligerent waffling, just as likely in my eyes to be town bumbling(especially out of thrawn, a player I've known to get super high before playing) as it is to be scum pandering. You are asking me to believe we have caught obviusly terrible scum in a game filled with predominantly great players, and I'm just not seeing it / : - I make a post. - thrawn asks me about the post. - I answer - thrawn votes for me. Later on he says "i initially voted for rayn because of the tone of his post". Him asking me a question and voting for me only after the answer does implicate his statement of the tone of the post is false. | ||
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On March 27 2014 03:30 Palmar wrote: Do you think marv's push against me is genuine? I don't know because i don't know what his push on you is. But he looks quite normal town!marv to me so my guess would be yes. Maybe we learn more when he tells us what his push is. | ||
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On March 27 2014 03:32 gumshoe wrote: Alright, I'm pretty convinced, last thing, can you provide a good town game where thrawn plays sensibly for contrast? Basically every town game of his. | ||
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On March 27 2014 03:32 IAmRobik wrote: why does marv have 5 pages of filter and 0 memorable content, whereas thrawn and phagga and gumshoe have 2 and have contributed a boatload more to the game? Hey Robik i tell you something. Forget about marv for now. He can appear useless for the first 40 hours if he chooses so. He will provide content when he thinks it needs to be provided and he'll have explanations for his actions. There is no way you can bully him into doing something you want by yelling him, voting for him, or by anything. When he does his stuff if it's not reasonable then he might be mafia. Right now there is nothing mafia-esque in his play. | ||
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On March 27 2014 03:10 prplhz wrote: i don't think him being annoying points at him being mafia no So do you think anyone is mafia and what exactly is your game plan to find mafia? | ||
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On March 27 2014 03:42 gumshoe wrote: In fact, thrawn was so subdued and chill in gsl, we shot him night 1 cause we thought he had to be blue XD Like this is the definition of thrawn's town play and everyone who has played against him knows this. He always gets shot because he looks so town but also subdued enough for people to think he is blue. | ||
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On March 27 2014 03:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: My case on thrawn: Meta part is explained in my filter from Extractor trick. In that game i claimed cop 1h into the game. thrawn said "you could be mafia for fakeclaiming". I asked him why. His reasoning was "because you also fakeclaimed cop in Witchcraft mini". Just because i did something in some other game does not make me mafia. After that thrawn refused to elaborate more on the reasoning while repeateldy being asked about it. He also made some contradicting things like putting gumshoe into L-1 in IML game then basically said "don't hammer" which made no sense. The point is thrawn does not do stuff that makes no sense or does not not explain his shit as town, he does that as mafia. In this game he does stuff that makes no sense as my quotes above and below, as Holyflares case do explain. Here is the TLDR; from thrawns case which elaborate more on the point i presented earlier. Also there is stuff in his case where the TLDR; does not match up with what he says. His case in full so you can compare; + Show Spoiler + On March 26 2014 17:07 thrawn2112 wrote: then read it again. he's making stuff up and not making any sense. the initial reason I voted for him which I haven';t explained until now, is the tone of his "game" post. it looks very fake and not liek something I expect rayn to write regardless of whatever I think about the content of the post. as to the content... "2) My "town wins this belt" post was indeed a town claim. I was happy rolling town and i don't give a fuck who else is town because i just find two mafia and then town wins the belt. I am also amused that Robik has called my alignment correctly out three times based on my usage / usagelessness. I don't know how he does it and i don't think it's alignment indicative but i am really interested in seeing is so some sort of psychic or what because i have a townread on him in this game. I don't believe Robik yet, i mean, i don't believe that's a reliable tell but we'll see about that when / if he does that a couple of times more and if he is right or wrong." -i doubt rayn doesn't care about winning the belt - "I don't know how he does it and i don't think it's alignment indicative" what the fuck does this even mean? if robik is scum then of course he is not "some sort of psychic" who is excellent at reading rayn. if robik is scum the robik KNOWS RAYN IS TOWN and doesn't need to try and figure out if rayn is town. like... i can't properly explain the problem I have with this quote because I don't even know what the quote is meant to say. it's just nonsense. -this line: "i don't believe that's a reliable tell but we'll see about that when / if he does that a couple of times more and if he is right or wrong." WTF DOES THIS MEAN? it's the same as the earlier quote. rayn is just talking nonsense here which is the easiest way to figure out his alignment. when I read rayn's game my first thought was "ok, rayn is being sarcastic for most if not all of this" so I ask him to clarify if he was actually reading robik as scum but he says all those statements are real? lol This is the TLDR of my case;
* further elaboration on this: - What a townie does is: "you say X. You are mafia because X does not make sense from town pov." - What thrawn does is: "you say X, i assume your X in fact means Y. I don't care even if you tell me X is not Y but you are mafia because Y does not make sense from town pov". Meta is only a supporting argument because thrawn does not do this stuff (which is already scummy on its own) as town. | ||
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On March 27 2014 01:45 prplhz wrote: I can absolutely see this better from Holyflare's side. IAmRobik's play is hard to understand (he even admits so himself?) and I don't know why raynpelikoneet can't understand that other people might have this problem with IAmRobik's play. I don't think I got anything out of it though because it was just a lot of text and mainly about what I think was a misunderstanding. Can you explain how you come into this conclusion from reading the exchange between me/HF/thrawn? The bolded part was never an issue and i repeatedly explained to Holyflare what Robik said. My issue was that Holyflare and thrawn were assuming my town read on Robik was based on something i never said. Neither of them did ask me about why i had a townread on Robik, even when i repeatedly told them they don't even know why i have a town read on him based on what they wrote. | ||
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On March 27 2014 05:07 Palmar wrote: Well meta is the part that makes you say with confidence he'd not do stuff like withhold reads or jump on cases as town. Maybe you are just mafia because that is NOT what my case says. | ||
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On March 27 2014 05:13 Palmar wrote: And that is a great point, and unless I'm blind was not part of the case you told me to read. In fact it is there but i agree not well enough explained. | ||
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robik - pretty obviously town Holyflare - insane but most likely town marvellosity - likely town, a lot depends on his play later on but nothing seems scummy to me phagga - not sticking his neck out but atm i ahve no problem with him because he is on the right case Palmar - i don't know what he is doing. could be mafia prplhz - i have absolutely no idea what he is doing. likely mafia thrawn2112 - mafia as per my case | ||
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On March 27 2014 06:06 prplhz wrote: My list of games where raynpelikoneet thinks I'm scum: all of them I dunno. Why should i think you are town? You misrepresent the me/Holyflare argument. You vote for Palmar for reasons i have no idea what they are and then you say you don't really even think Palmar is mafia. Then you say you go afk and vote for marv but you don't think he is mafia. Then you apparently have no scumreads and i see no intention of you trying to figure out who is mafia (like if you don't know who is scum you are supposed to find out by interacting with people). | ||
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What's your read on prplhz? | ||
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Your reads are from page 19. Nothing has changed since then regarding your reads? | ||
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I don't know who you think is mafia and why which is the only thing i care about. | ||
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On March 27 2014 06:18 prplhz wrote: no i mean, what do you mean by "I dunno" in that post? It means nothing specific. I am asking you is there a reason i should think you are town? What kinda retarded question is this? | ||
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Fucjk i really do hate playing with you because you are stubborn unhelpful asshote. | ||
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See you in 24 hours or so. Policy. ##unvote ##vote prplhz I don't even give a fuck if he is mafia or not because if he is not he is still playing towards mafia win condition. I am not going to post until one of us dies. | ||
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On March 26 2014 20:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: I think game is kinda easy because i don't really see anyone being mafia except for thrawn/ Off chance for a couple of other players but chances are small, like 3%. I would draw a funny picture but this game does not deserve pictures. | ||
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I don't give any fucks about what he says in his catchup posts because he has two stories in this game and one is a lie, guaranteed. He hasn't answered about his cases because he couldn't. Explaining your intention behind your posts is not impossible in any situation because you always think of something when you post. If you can't explain why you post something you are most likely lying. And i don't believe thrawn's explanation. but..... prplhz does not play the game. he intentionally refuses to play the game and i don't know which one of those two is worse because they can't be both mafia. I just refuse to not vote for a person who intentionally refuses to play the game. There is an off chance marv is mafia but that would mean Palmar was telling the truth about not reading his role PM. In a game where there is only 2 mafia (well in any game, but especially when there is only 2 mafia) i consider that against the game's spirit because if he in fact did that the game becomes a "guess who has red letters after his name" and that is not mafia. So if what he said was true i just consider this game invalid and refuse to believe he didn't read his role PM. | ||
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On March 27 2014 18:45 prplhz wrote: i think what marv means is that palmar looks like scum if he didn't read his role pm and looks like scum all we know is that he looks like scum and then we should lynch him if he DID read his role pm and looks like scum all we know is that he looks like scum and then we should lynch him he thinks it's silly to invalidate an entire case just because "maybe the subject of the case didn't read his pm", i mean you need to evaluate a case by its contents not by whether or not the subject did or did not read his pm This was a really bad post. On March 28 2014 06:54 prplhz wrote: wow if this is true it invalidates your entire case marv how do you know it isn't true and then this was the complete opposite. | ||
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On March 28 2014 09:38 marvellosity wrote: This is pretty silly because I cannot possibly give any justification for being alive at lylo having led a mafia lynch on day 1... Probably yes but what Palmar said about you raging him if you were mafia and he was not in QT would most likely happen if he had not read his PM and you were mafia with him. Also you said something really dumb to thrawn. but anyways, this is quite irrelevant. I'm sorry i can't tell that because every post of his is equally likely to be sarcasm. | ||
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On March 28 2014 10:10 marvellosity wrote: you need to let your prplhz-hatred go bubba You know, also funnily enough the second quote is true. gumshoe i don't see the point of you asking what you are. Why are you doing it? I just explained my thought process fully. Yes, i think marv as mafia, would get mad at Palmar in that situation and lynch him. | ||
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On March 28 2014 10:30 gumshoe wrote: I am asking that question because I think your shit throwing on the towniest person in thread because you feel the need to do something drastic. And I think your doing that because your scum : D I am not throwing shit at anything. So you are wrong. | ||
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On March 28 2014 10:42 marvellosity wrote: impossible, literally impossible FTFY | ||
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You will do that if you are town. | ||
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On March 28 2014 10:52 marvellosity wrote: you even got my knack for overly-categorical statements, so it must be true What does this mean? | ||
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On March 28 2014 10:56 marvellosity wrote: like, the kind of exaggerated confidence i might state something in I don't know if i did because i don't know what you are referring to. | ||
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On March 28 2014 10:59 marvellosity wrote: the FTFY it's not important :p sarcasm? I usually fail in figuring out what is sarcasm and what is not in mafia games because i kinda.. you know try to play mafia. And when i use sarcasm i try to make it so obvious it's impossible to misjudge. I probably fail at that too. | ||
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It's Blazinghand's line from I'm a cop you idiot mafia after he claimed cop and was forced to shoot the real cop on *N0. | ||
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On March 28 2014 00:02 marvellosity wrote: That's what BH quoted when he was totally outed by town as scum in a game long ago. Palmar and I both thought it was a hilarious way to claim mafia. I don't know prplhz. You didn't get that even after this? | ||
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On March 28 2014 18:17 Holyflare wrote: if either you or thrawn is scum there is nothing you can do to win this game at all yes this is my conclusion at the moment. Or like, if that's true and one more townie starts doing bad shit then it's really bad. | ||
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On March 28 2014 18:23 Holyflare wrote: it's 8 vs 1 right now and they HAVE to kill me to stop me saving people and then it's 7vs1 and if we lynch thrawn and prpl and they are both town it's 3vs1 and even at that point it should be more than obvious who is mafia That's why i am really interested in gumshoe's case on me. | ||
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Because marv, Holyflare and Robik are town - add phagga/gumshoe doctor and me there. prplhz/thrawn/one of phagga/gumshoe. can lynch all. | ||
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In fact it's one of the best explained votes on him. | ||
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On March 28 2014 18:47 thrawn2112 wrote: anyways i am well on my way to being drunk and i have learned my lesson about that. ttyl Maybe you could try to answer the cases against drunk'n'tired!thrawn when you get to the right mindset and elaborate more on his thought processes? You could even argue with thrawn!=drunk'n'tired because you two disagree with almost everything in the game. this is only a half joke. | ||
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On March 28 2014 18:57 prplhz wrote: i missed the bh context, thought it was just a throwaway "frustrated townie" outburst and didn't really consider it important at all. then i missed that single post because i read all other posts on that page (and in the game). doesn't even matter because i was voting palmar way before that even happened. How can both of these statements be true? | ||
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On March 28 2014 19:03 Holyflare wrote: explain it to me? Well i'd rather have prplhz explain it to you first if you have a problem with it. | ||
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On March 28 2014 16:22 thrawn2112 wrote: i didn't lie, nothing in the shit you said I did consitutes a lie, saying it does over and over doesn't make it true thrawn i wanted to ask you about this: Why are you being so overly defensive here? You are not even addressing what Holyflare says here. | ||
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On March 28 2014 19:28 thrawn2112 wrote: it's annoying, he;s saying I lied. nothing in what he';s saying I did is a lie. and even without that, there';s nothing in what he;s saying i did that makes me scummy tbh I think that;s the main reason so many people sheeped the thrawn wagon, like they just casually read hf's stuff and assumed it must be true or something. i've made a few posts about how it no such lie exists and hf keeps coming back with "no you lied gg no re" and it's getting really irritating tldr hf is an ass No that is not what Holyflare is saying there!!! | ||
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On March 28 2014 19:49 Holyflare wrote: I'm talking about palmar loving to lynch all liars and agreeing that thrawn was a liar but then unvoting him at the first opportunity he could, ignoring the original lie. Yes, this. Now for thrawn the "correct" answer is "it does not look bad on me because what Palmar says has nothing to do with my alignment as i can't do nothing about him contradicting his policies if i am town", and not "BUT I DID NOT LIE!!!" | ||
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On March 28 2014 19:52 thrawn2112 wrote: i'm not a liar u twat How can you know you didn't lie because you don't remember anything about why you posted what you did at that time? | ||
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On March 28 2014 16:32 Holyflare wrote: And you did lie. It's the simple truth. You said your vote occurred for one reason at a specific time when it occurred at another time for different reasons. Palmar agreed with this. If palmar agreed with it he agreed with you being a liar in which case he would lynch you. He didn't do that. If he "town" slipped you the first thing you'd do would be to point that out and eliminate yourself from suspicion. I totally agree with the red part. It doesn't matter if thrawn lied or not. It matters that Holyflare says thrawn lied, Palmar agrees with this. Everyone (including thrawn) knows Palmar wants to lynch all liars. Palmar did not want to lynch someone he thought was a liar. Why does thrawn NOT point that out? Now that would be townie. Ignoring the whole thing is not regardless of if thrawn in fact lied or not. | ||
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On March 28 2014 20:11 thrawn2112 wrote: ok. i think i understand, i had two reasons why i thought rayn was mafia. these reasons occured to me at different times, here is the order n which they occured reason 1) the real reason i voted for him, which was becasue I thought the tone of his game post was extremely fake then rayn says that none of it was a lie, that #2 was actaully true reason 2) i thought what rayn said about robik was pretty dumb and beneath town rayn. reason 2 is what I mentioned in the thead. I didn't not mentioned reason 1 because I am hesitant to tell mafia that i am voting for them off the tone of their posts, which is something they can easily change. i don't undersatnd how any of that is a lie? I think the red part is very bullshit because the argument basically cancels itself. You are saying my mafia!tone is different than my town!tone, but then you say i am able to change it?? Like how can you deteremine if i have a mafia!tone or town!tone in the first place if i can choose? | ||
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On March 21 2014 03:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: This game is called what would you do as town: Scenario 1: There is a big argument between two players in thread. You decide it's important regarding players alignments because you weigh in to the argument. What do you do? 1) Give your opinions on the players and tell which are good and bad. Say if someone looks scummy because of it or if it does not you point the thread to a different (right) direction. 2) Do not comment on the argumet at all, call one player out for it not really telling why or using some crap reasoning like "he should do something else". Call noone scum, give no better direction, throw a vote on someone, say "case later kthxye" and peace out. Scenario 2: You have a vote on your top scumread and people are waiting on your case. What do you do? 1) Make a case on your scumread, try to convince people on voting for him. 2) Make a case where you don't really call your scumread scum, continue discussing the scenario 1 matters, call another player out multiple times without calling calling him scum, defend/question a couple of other people on other things. peace out. Scenario 3: You have been out of the thread for a day. It's close to lynch, what do you do? 1) Make a case on your top scumread and try to convince people to vote for them, or weigh between the cases that are present and give resons why you sheep the best case. 2) Make a huge fucking case on someone who is not your top scumread. Then make another huge fucking case on your top scumread. In that case, say that this dude is definitely mafia regardless of this third guy's alignment. Proceed on voting for the third guy who you just said you are not even sure is mafia. If you answered (1) more Giggletummy should be mafia. If you answered (2) more you are mafia. On March 26 2014 14:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: This is a game of two truths and i lie. In this post there is going to be one lie. You need to guess where: 1) I started using the smiley only lately, some moths or maybe half a year ago because i like how it looks. I don't remember who used it in mafia games (maybe it was marv?) but anyways someone did and i think the colored smiley it gives looks cute. Therefore i have almost abandoned every other smiley, while i normally prefer ^^ , ^_^ , or :D . I absolutely hate XD smiley because when i played brood war a lot in battle.net when someone used XD you could tell they were Spanish. I hated Spanish kids in brood war. They thought everyone can speak español and they ended every single thing they said with XD or XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXD. Only thing they could say in English was "ally end" when they were about lo lose and i was about to ruin their precious stats. I refused to understand English at that point and started talking in Finnish. Anyways that smiley makes me see red every time i see it, except for when gumshoe does it. Just because gumshoe is so adorable. 2) My "town wins this belt" post was indeed a town claim. I was happy rolling town and i don't give a fuck who else is town because i just find two mafia and then town wins the belt. I am also amused that Robik has called my alignment correctly out three times based on my usage / usagelessness. I don't know how he does it and i don't think it's alignment indicative but i am really interested in seeing is so some sort of psychic or what because i have a townread on him in this game. I don't believe Robik yet, i mean, i don't believe that's a reliable tell but we'll see about that when / if he does that a couple of times more and if he is right or wrong. 3) I think this is absolutely the worst post in thread: Both posts are written in the exact same mindset (i was having fun but i also wanted to make an informative post). | ||
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On March 28 2014 20:22 thrawn2112 wrote: the 2nd is overly happy and generally annoying to read and comprehend whereas 1 makes sense and is serious and much mroe related to actual scumhunting How do you conclude the second post is more overly happy? i was having way more fun writing the first one. Also there is much more info in the second post than in the first one. Both are designed to be challenging (i.e. you need to actually think why i say the stuff i do). It is really obvious from both of the posts. | ||
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On March 28 2014 20:29 thrawn2112 wrote: OBVIOUSLY NOT, lol. elsewise i wouldn;t be in this mess. i have admitted as much See the thing is there is about 3 pages in my filter where i clearly say this is the case. After all those posts instead of realizing maybe you should go back and re-read you don't do that. Instead you make a case on me.... | ||
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On March 28 2014 20:36 thrawn2112 wrote: yes rayn i am terribad actually no i am not because i DID go back and reread the entire thread and i realized my initial reads were stupid and based on me being tired and lazy, and I decided to throw those reads away and try to form new ones and I have evidence to prove that I did so (all my spoilers) so whatever Yes i can understand this and to some extent it makes sense. What does not make sense is that you literally flip all your reads 180 and i have a really really hard time believing you were so tired or whatever that after your re-read everything is suddenly the exact opposite. I can somehow get that you don't understand me and your read on me changes. But you completely change your read on Robik, and on Holyflare. The Holyflare part is most scummy because if you are town when you were tired you basically agreed with him on EVERYTHING in the game!! So a townie thought townie did some things and made some conclusions. When you do your re-read it's suddenly "highly unlike" a townie (Holyflare) made these conclusions when earlier you - as town - thought it's not only possible, but YOU SHEEPED HIM ON EVERY READ -> which means it's not only possible, but even highly likely he is right!! | ||
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On March 28 2014 20:45 marvellosity wrote: what do you think mafia-thrawn has to gain from so blatantly changing his reads like that? I don't know? But it does not make any sense from town perspective even if he is not lying about being tired and making bad conclusions because of it. If he is pretty much caught and can't answer the case on him (which he hasn't done) what choice does he have? | ||
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It's certainly possible he didn't. | ||
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Him posting / asking a question from me between my "tone read" post and voting for me does not necessarily mean he lied. | ||
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On March 28 2014 20:56 Holyflare wrote: He said he voted you on tone before caring about content, he asked you questions about content and only voted you after you replied? Yes i know. And yes, it implies he lied. But tbh i don't see why would he not just give both tone/content reasons for a vote instead of lying. Like he has both of the reasons in his case, so lying does not even achieve anything in that case. | ||
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On March 28 2014 21:00 marvellosity wrote: Actually if rayn is accurate, then going from you town to much less town is the opposite of going towards town consensus But the problem is he has himself (as town as he claims) agreed with literally everything Holyflare says in the game. After re-read he disagrees with almost everything Holyflare says. I find it very unlikely some alarm bells do not ring in his head regarding question "could town!Holyflare do these things?". I could understand if there were some red flags in Holyflare's play after his re-read, but it's basically everything Holyflare has done is not any more townie but scummy. | ||
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On March 26 2014 22:15 marvellosity wrote: I came across this. 8008135. rofl | ||
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On March 27 2014 19:21 marvellosity wrote: Are you actually mafia? I'm finding it hard to believe you are genuinely this idiotic Yeah you said this but thrawn's re-read starts ~14 hours before this so it doesn't mean anything. | ||
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On March 28 2014 21:15 marvellosity wrote: oh. That wasn't really me calling him mafia, that was me getting frustrated at an exceptionally silly line of questioning. It was super silly. yeah but thrawn has already demonstrated he is not reading properly at times so.. | ||
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On March 28 2014 10:42 gumshoe wrote: I'll probally make a case on him, itll be bad, and then later on you'll realize I was wright with the wrong reasons, then you just make a better one and well lynch him : D ez pz. gumshoe is this what: 1) town!gumshoe would do 2) you think town!gumshoe would do 3) make up your own answer ?? | ||
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As i said, i could buy that if there were some things that imply to you Holyflare is mafia but going from "full sheep Holyflare" -> "all this is shit and Holyflare is scum" seems an impossible conclusion from town perspective regardless of your mindset in the first read. Also you know i know how shit your memory is because we had this talk in NMM. If i remember correctly i told you to write notes or make your thought process clearer in the first place if your memory is bad, because explaining your thought process is a crucial part of the game. So based on that the "bad memory" card would be a perfect disguise for mafia!thrawn now wouldn't it? | ||
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On March 28 2014 22:23 thrawn2112 wrote: i'm pretty sure i developed my scum read on you independently of anything holyflare was doing I don't think it matter if you did so or not because Holyflare said pretty much the same things you did. | ||
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On March 28 2014 22:30 marvellosity wrote: Can someone link his Extractor trick filter? I am lazy http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/439578-extractor-trick-mini-mafia?user=thrawn2112 | ||
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it's useless. just scumhunt if you are town. | ||
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On March 28 2014 23:54 Holyflare wrote: Good for you rayn i don't care but I'm not shutting the door on someone just because you say so I think the only contribution he made on D1 (like suspicion-wise) was "Palmar is mafia yoloswag lynch him". I highly doubt he'd do that from the beginning if he was scum with Plamberg. | ||
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On March 28 2014 23:56 IAmRobik wrote: Are you really bitter about the fact that you have to read the game super fucking close and read every single post and try to dissect what everyone is trying to do or mean or say and I can read one fucking line of a post and decide that someone is town. It's like high school/college all over again, where I'm the naturally smart dude that got good grades and put no effort in and you're the ditsy girl that has to read the textbook for 7 hours to learn the information to obtain the same and/or worse grades then me and then bitches about how lucky I am for being naturally smart. This is exactly something i would say. rofl, are you me??!?!? | ||
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On March 29 2014 00:24 IAmRobik wrote: Doesn't everyone just sheep marv if marv is town? not necessarily but in general yes. | ||
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On March 29 2014 01:53 Holyflare wrote: And kinda pot calling the kettle black there rayn :p That's why i flew to the policy land and now i am flying back. | ||
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So, remember remember the fifth of November. On March 28 2014 10:35 gumshoe wrote: I has my reasons : P But I'm gonna pull a marv and air them tommorow, you can guess till the. On March 28 2014 10:40 gumshoe wrote: Alright, within the next 12 hours XD but its late here now so moop : P As for the doctor, yeah, probs gonna be a wifom hero. On March 28 2014 10:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: gumshoe you need to make a town case on thrawn and prplhz forst before you are allowed to make a case on me. You will do that if you are town. In case i got whacked hear this out. Case should be ready, there has been way over 12h already. It's gonna be a fun case. | ||
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On March 29 2014 05:08 Holyflare wrote: whatevs im going to bed anyway, marv is ma fwend ^^ LIAR!!! | ||
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On March 29 2014 05:37 Holyflare wrote: 8.30 yeh but i refucked up my sleep pattern the other way around smth is really fucked up if you "fucked up your sleep pattern" from "goto sleep 8:30am". | ||
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gumshoe could be mafia, damn that "yolo rayn is scum was bad". Also his vote on Palmar was quite over-explained. prplhz is still kinda meh, so is thrawn. Look at thrawn's question about "if Palmar lied or not, yes/no". All or prpl, phagga and marv gave shit responses. thrawn man analyze it, why didn't you do it, it was your best post????? I still think marv, HF and Robik are town. Reasons not coming bcz i gtg. | ||
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On March 30 2014 00:36 Holyflare wrote: rayn, why did you think thrawn was 100000000% mafia at the start of day 1 and then afk on prplz because of policy and then drop thrawn as your 10000000% mafia target later on in the night? also if you thought prpl was likely to be mafia because of him being a twat face then why hide it under "policy"? If you think he's mafia because of it it wasn't a policy was it so why then afk? Did you know he was town and then afk as a policy because you are mafia and palmar was getting lynched? why did your policy drop despite him doing nothing still? Do you want me to still vote for him and do nothing? | ||
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prplhz first whined about people not being clear or being sneaky with their posts, especially me, then continued to refuse answer to anything i asked and acted like an idiot and didn't do anything productive. Yes, that's what made me see red. I don't care about people being dicks because i know i am one at times, i hate people whining about other people being dicks and then act like a dick themselves. That's why i voted for him. And that was pure policy, i did not think he was necessarily scum for it because he has been useless as town before. So i do not think that makes him necessarily mafia, unfortunately, because that is SUPPOSED to be textbook bad mafia play. He is still not doing much, but at least he stopped purely playing against his wincon if he is town. If people straight up refuse to play the game i afk. Maybe you call it stupid or idiotic or holding the game hostage or whatever shit but i have better things to do than argue with people who straight up refuse to play the game. They are nmore likely to be mafia and even if they are not, mafia can just say "that dude who is not playing is scum" because it fucking looks like they are scum. The game goes nowhere until that polayer is a) rem0ved from the game or b) starts playing. | ||
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On March 30 2014 01:07 Holyflare wrote: is what you're doing now any better anyway? I am not sure who i want to vote for. As i said i am waiting fort phagga to answer to the votes on him and gumshoe to make the case he promised. | ||
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On March 30 2014 01:12 Holyflare wrote: wanna make a policy train? prpl --> gumshoe --> phagga? Not really. If i could confidently say two of gumshoe/thrawn/phagga/prplhz is town i would not have to think about this game so hard or even care if someone posts or doesn't. But i fucking can't, so i have to check here at times only to see none of those guys care about proving their towniness. | ||
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brb ~20-30min | ||
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I hated his over-explained Palmar vote. Like the dude claimed scum. There is no reason to explain your vote in any way after that. If gumshoe didn't believe it was a scumclaim why not question marv who said it is 100% scumclaim? It jsut doesn't make sense. There is the early conversation with him and Palmar. It looks towie for gumshoe but meh.. idk. Would not lynch today unless phagga does something mindblowingly town. prplhz: I still don't know what he is trying to do... Like trying to lose the game in LYLO if he is town? Or get lynched? Like i ahve no idea how he is trying to be helpful to the town. thrawn: I don't wanna talk about the "playing tired" incident anymore, because as much as i hate it i know there exists a possibility that town!thrawn did those things. However thrawn i suggest you start taking notes because the next time this happens it will not slide for me. I promise. After that, he has not been forming conclusions. The only thing i liked was his "do you think Palmar lied about not reading his role PM or not?" question because i saw what he was trying to do. However, marv, prplhz and phagga gave shit answers. Conclusions from thrawn? Exactly zero. Like is he so afraid of marv he can't say if marv says something bad? phagga: The only thing i remember was his at-first-wishy-washy answer to thrawn (question above). I really can't remember any of his posts. I can almost always remember something from everyone even in a 15 player game so ihe is probably mafia because i can't. That's my best case atm. | ||
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marv gets lynched in LYLO if he is alive and Holyflare has hardclaimed medic. | ||
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On March 30 2014 02:06 Holyflare wrote: rayn i think gumshoe might be scum I am kinda thinking who is stupid enough to believe Robik's claim over yours. | ||
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On March 30 2014 02:09 Holyflare wrote: you know when we were talking to him about thrawn and then he was trying to disprove you and randomly flipped? that was right after he said he re-read the palmar interaction and came to this conclusion etc. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/446774-world-heavyweight-championship-mafia-ii?page=32#635 he never talked about this again and dropped it all for thrawn I'm not sure what do you mean by this. Could you clarify what he dropped regarding who? | ||
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- Me and gumshoe have a different theory of what Palmar said. gumshoe is so sure he is right he calls me bad and refuses to listen to the obvious rgiht conclusion (yes it was obvious). - Me and gumshoe have a different theory of what thrawn did. gumshoe argues, then concedes and drops Palmar who he was so sure of being mafia (see the first point). | ||
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I'll be back in ~30. | ||
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Like it's not obvious who tram is when there is a discussion between mre and Holyflare about gumshoe about last 20 posts.. | ||
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On March 30 2014 02:27 Holyflare wrote: urgh but the only thing is i don't think tram is capable of that kind of argument with palmar..... Maybe he would. We had a pretty good argument in GSL IV. | ||
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On March 30 2014 03:23 prplhz wrote: it was more like "why (do you call him) tram?" and not so much "who is tram?" Well this is interesting viewpoint because why does it matter? | ||
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that's just bs gumshoe. | ||
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noone is like "wow gumshoe you are most likely town because you made a good case on Palmar which we all followed" noone is like "wow rayn you are so scum because you argued against gumshoe's really good case on Palmar at the start of D1". | ||
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But gumshoe, defending someone and calling out bad logic are two different thigns. I was not doing the former, ever. | ||
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If he is scum the case is going to be bad. In fact since you guys do not seem to think i am scum i would like you all (prplhz/thrawn/phagga/gumshoe) to give opinions on each and every other one. It would be valuable for the later stages of the game. | ||
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On March 30 2014 10:18 thrawn2112 wrote: town tier: marv rayn holy Those are listed in order of confidence. This is getting a bit ridiculous thrawn. You are seriously saying you think me and marv are more likely to be town than un-cc'd medic? | ||
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