Doctor Who Mafia 2

On March 31 2014 12:27 Alakaslam wrote:

Well this disappeared quickly

On March 31 2014 12:51 thrawn2112 wrote:
ok.

1. hopeless is heavly implying that he is intentionally playing in a way so that people find him scummy. last game he claimed to do this as some sort of strategy. or as he noted in this game (although jokingly) he is doing it for the sake of his 'always scummy as either alignment" meta. so is he town and doing either of those two things or is he scum and taking advantage of people's expectations of his play?

2. did you have a read on slam before you sent him on a mission?

On March 31 2014 12:56 Alakaslam wrote:
Anyone aware of how George Lucas was inspired for the shape of the Millenium Falcon?

On March 31 2014 18:44 Tehpoofter wrote:
@Jar Jar and Austin since you too didn't post much at the start of the day and ended up thinking I was scummy. IF you guys think I'm actually scum do you think its better for town to vote for me today or for Slam and his claimed survivor role? Essentially is it worth it going after a scummy read vs a 3rd party claim by Slam?

On March 31 2014 19:19 Djodref wrote:


Regarding austin, I would like him to interact with more people than Slam and thrawn. I like the fact that he doesn't believe the survivor claim. I don't have problems with him questioning your alignment. But I need more posts from him. I would say slightly town for Austin.
@austin
What were your motivations to interact with Slam ?

I believe myself Slam is 3P, but not such thing as simple as a survivor. Again, I would like him to claim his exact wincon. But that's not the topic.

Regarding Hopeless, he looks disgruntled by the direction this game is taking for this first day (i.e. a lynch on Slam) and he is openly not putting much effort into the game for now. I could see town Hopeless doing that for various reasons. But it's also easy to do this as scum. So null for the moment on Hopeless, and I hope he can step up a little in the future. I don't mind him playing like this at the moment.

On March 31 2014 22:12 JarJarDrinks wrote:
I thought I did:If you want a percentage I'll say 35-40% chance of being scum. But I'll lynch 100% not town almost every time unless there's really obvious scum.

On April 01 2014 00:26 Alakaslam wrote:
Austinmcc, I will at least honor you with this.

You sent me to the hinterlands to see what I found.

Well, go thou to the thither lands of Rayn's filter.

If tehpoofter is scum for the reasons you had me dig up, so find that Rayn also is. For he has called me confirmed town.

See that you do find it! And find why.

Most anti town player on record- FTW.

On March 31 2014 03:16 Tehpoofter wrote:
Actual read on slam is I don't like him he might be mafia claiming the role and rayn brought that up earlier I believe and if he was pushing him for that I wouldn't be suspicious of him but I don't like you want to vote him because you think he is survivor.

If he is survivor I think there is a good way to deal with him in that case.

On April 01 2014 01:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Austin you need to use your brain powers with thrawn and Vivax on N1. One of you gets shot and another one get yakked. It will be beneficial to see whose thought process changes after night phase and i wouldn't bank on anyone else to lynch kita just because they can't. They can't even make a case on him. Trust me. That's is the truth, noone in this game will get kita lynched other than you three and most likely one of you gets shot and another one gets yakked.

On April 01 2014 01:16 kitaman27 wrote:


Haven't spent a lot of time on him and he won't be a priority for the remainder of the day due to other individuals I can use my time better on.

Avoiding a town vs town is my biggest worry at the moment because those put you back way too much early on. At work currently so time is limited but I still hope to be able to comment on others more in depth other than rayn.

On March 31 2014 18:14 Tehpoofter wrote:
Which posts are you referring to here where I ask questions and don't follow up after an answer?

On March 31 2014 03:36 Tehpoofter wrote:
@Djo once you're done catching up how do you feel about rayn's this game in comparison to last game we all played (titanic) or previous games?

This question also is good for Vivax/hopeless/thrawn but I don't think tehy're around atm.

On April 01 2014 01:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Anything other than D2 is too late.

On March 31 2014 03:02 Tehpoofter wrote:
@ massclaiming Amiko summed up some of the different ways it could go and the reasonings seem good for not doing it helped me think through it. I like Amiko as town for that.


I don't think rayn is town he is playing completely different to the game I play with him before. He was aggressive but I feel like his push on Slam is an easy low hanging fruit type push. Survivor might not be town but its not mafia finding mafia > lynching the survivor. Rayn also should know that we need to look outside of just Slam either way we have to deduce how people are acting today because in an alignment swapping type setup the way you act day to day flip flopping on reads and stuff can give town good information.

I think that rayn is trying to deprive town of information by pushing a slam lynch, he also as I recalled as the super town hero he was last game I played posted a list of his reads as early as he did here.

Rayn is there a reason you chose to do so early? (positing a reads list)


My vote is here because of his push on Slam mainly and he just seems like he has a different town this game.

## unvote

## Vote: Rayn

On March 31 2014 03:23 Tehpoofter wrote:


Okay I misread this the first time and thought it was you saying you want to always lynch the survivor... not the survivor claim.


So Rayn would you say that in a game with possible alignment changes lynching a mafia is crucial in case they can add to their team in some fashion or possibly hit a 3rd party role that can recruit for their own alignment as well?

I feel like even if Slam was still confirmed Survivor in this setup I wouldn't want to lynch him day 1 I'd much rather want to lynch someone I found scummy that could be mafia or an anti-town third party converting type role that seems likely given the setup.

On March 31 2014 06:19 Tehpoofter wrote:


I'll put it this way I don't think hes mafia here more than maybe 5% of the time. I think that he claimed way too passively and without care to be mafia. Mafia I feel like would use this claim in a situation where they're taking lots of pressure and he really wasn't under much I was one of the people voting him at the time and we were far from end of day.

So to me its like 85% survivor/ 5% mafia 5% mafia 5% other. I am of the attitude that to me a successful day for town in this type of game is to hit a mafia. Like if we go to lynch a mafia I'll be 100% happy if we kill Slam and hes survivor I would be like 40% happy if we hit a town I would be 0% happy. So for me I feel like Slam is a safe lynch if we don't have a clear mafia at the end of the day but I don't want to default lynch him from right now when we might catch a scum slipping up and start this game off right. I want an ez game for town not one where we play struggling. Survivor is a super uninformative lynch imo. I mean there is also the chance hes like Fool or something and claims survivor knowing people like rayn would push on him as any alignment (no clue if fool is possible or w.e. but still)

On March 31 2014 06:27 Tehpoofter wrote:



See thats a bad attitude Imo Rayn is only one person and he might be scum this game. Hes not the town hero he was in titanic this is a new game boys and you shouldn't just sheep rayn. The only way rayn gets what he wants is if you act like its a forgone conclusion.

On March 31 2014 18:24 Tehpoofter wrote:



I would love to hear your bigger case rayn. This is what I mean that is different from last game... your heart is either not as into this game or you're a different alignment than last time. The rayn from the game I played was more than happy to bring up a whole case on someone even if it was a massive wall of texts and then scream at the town for not realizing they're scum. This isn't what you're doing this game... its different and its the only meta I know for you. The Way I play mafia is assessing how people play different alignments and roles and compare them between games along with the information in the thread to attempt to make a read. Thus far you are different than last game where you were basically the whole town. IF I have a read you do X as town and then you do Y instead should I draw a different conclusion?

On April 01 2014 01:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
It's far likely townies take that kinda logical missteps. Scum are far more concerned to keep their story straight. Dude, you played with him in the last game, he was way more laid back and looked way worse than he does now. Just because he is trying to be pro-active and changes his mind does not mean he is scum, in fact it's most likely the opposite at least for a relatively new player like poofer. If you want to look at newbies look at Amiko instead, he is far more conservative and not sticking his neck out there.

On April 01 2014 01:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like he basically says in his last post, "i don't know what i should think of you, how am i supposed to read you".
All the posts before back up that line of thought.

Also it's me, it's completely reasonable he doesn't know what makes me mafia and what makes me town as he has played one game with me.

On April 01 2014 01:51 austinmcc wrote:
If he doesn't know what makes you mafia, and he doesn't know what to do with you, then what should he be doing upon realizing that?

On April 01 2014 01:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:

He thinks he knows but he doesn't. bah it's hard to explain. He thinks the stuff i do is scummy because he does not understnad it. I don't give a fuck so i don't explain it. He thinks it's more scummy.

So what i do is scummy. But he is even willing to consider the possibility i am town and that he just does not know why he should read me as town. But that does not make me town, he still thinks i am scummy because of the stuff i have done.

If he was scum he would just "keep his story straight" and say i am scum because of the stuff i do as noone can even hold him responsible for that - just because there is no way he can't know better unless he spends like 20 hours reading all my relevant games (and not only my filters).

On April 01 2014 02:00 kitaman27 wrote:


Can't you make the same case against rayn? He finds my web suspicious, isn't sure about my alignment and then calls me stupid a bunch of times, rather than committing to a read. You saw marv do the same thing in shadow.

At no point does he follow up with his read on my or attempt to ask me any direct questions until he goes from a 1-liner that I'm scummy to being 100% confident.

On April 01 2014 02:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Of course i don't think it's the right action. The right action would have been to trust me and thrawn when we said that stuff does not make me mafia. But him not doing so is not scummy -> it only tells about him being interested in making his own conclusions and finding his own shit. Which is townie.

On April 01 2014 02:07 kitaman27 wrote:
austin, could I get your perspective on hopeless (mainly whether you find the enforcement of the 1:1 trade scummy without having a scum read on me) and on djo?

Right now I'm moderately alright with hopeless. When called out by toad, he asked why he was mafia, said all they did was drop two quotes and say to lynch him. It's a very ... middle of the road reaction? He's not super worried about being called out. He's not entirely unconcerned. That's slightly slightly slightly townie for me.

I think his bits on rayn are curious to post as scum, that you're not going to defend yourself because you think someone else is going to push this other lynch. It reads like a legitimate thought, and not something you want to post in thread if scum? I don't put boatloads of stock in it, but so far those bits from him leave me feeling not-scummy-by-a-small-margin on him.

I don't think he's particularly trying to take advantage of anything with his play though. Nope nope nope.

On April 01 2014 00:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Weak scum:
gumshoe - hasn't said anything

Kill with fire:
kitaman27
Alakaslam

So lynch kita -> lynch gumshoe. Hope one of them flips yak and then lynch Slam. There is probably gonna be one more mafia after that in case Slam is not mafia (i don't think he is). If Slam is third faction with KP you are all fucked and it's good i am not in the game because i would be so mad.

On April 01 2014 01:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
[red]gumshoe is also scum.[red] Remember when i talked about people who don't have to do anything when Slam is on the chopping block?

On March 30 2014 07:22 gumshoe wrote:
I am the doctor, in two or less paragraphs tell me why you should be my next companion.

says nothing

On March 30 2014 07:32 gumshoe wrote:

Show nested quote +

On March 30 2014 07:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am your companion.

Tell me WHY you should be my companion please. Oh and pro tip, if you are in possession of boobs that doesn't exactly hurt your cause / :.

says nothing

On March 30 2014 08:34 gumshoe wrote:

Show nested quote +

On March 30 2014 08:24 Amiko wrote:
I'm back around and can talk.

@Alakaslam: Does your phone recognize the word chupazi?
@gumshoe: I am a good companion but I don't really have curves...
+ Show Spoiler +

Oh, my, god. Contest is done. Just gonna be you me and space from now on ( : wanna go see a lava planet?

nothing

On March 30 2014 08:48 gumshoe wrote:

Show nested quote +

On March 30 2014 08:40 Amiko wrote:
I've been burned by lines like this before...

Welp, almost anyone whose ever travelled with me has met some kind of horrible end, but I'm sure you'll be find :D

nothing

On March 30 2014 08:55 gumshoe wrote:

Show nested quote +

On March 30 2014 08:51 thrawn2112 wrote:
i might policy lynch dr who roleplayers because i cannot understand anything they're talking about

This is our game dalek scum : P were the ones who are going to policy lynch you XD

nothing

[B]On April 01 2014 03:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay i really just fuck off now. this is getting so fucking terrible.

[b][red]kitaman
gumshoe
Vivax

mafia in there. not that anyone will listen.
town lost gg.

On April 01 2014 04:27 Amiko wrote:
Gumshoe vs. Slam
For people in thread now, why pick gumshoe over slam?

Maybe I'm biased because he picked me ~~~ but it seems to me that Alakaslam is not town, maybe scum, whereas gumshoe is just maybe scum.

On April 01 2014 04:28 JarJarDrinks wrote:
my god people. Aslam gave us a free lynch. He could be scum, he could be SK, and the worst case scenario is we lynch someone who has no reason to help town win. It's autoplay.

On April 01 2014 04:35 Amiko wrote:


@austinmcc & @kushm4sta can you explain why you would prefer to vote off gumshoe over slam? I do not actually know that is your preference but will take Djoref's word for it for now.

To be frank and direct, I think non-town would prefer to keep a 3rd party role alive as a potential asset later in the game so I am suspicious of this preference. (obviously if slam is actually scum then there are other simple reasons you would prefer he live)

On April 01 2014 04:43 kitaman27 wrote:


Do you think that this is the type of behavior you would expect from a mafia gumshoe?

On April 01 2014 04:45 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Huh? Am I missing something or are you not reading the thread? He claimed non-town.

On April 01 2014 04:48 kitaman27 wrote:


Taking a quick look at his only mafia game. He actually seems pretty wordy.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/441596-gsl-open-mini-mafia-iv?page=44#868
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/441596-gsl-open-mini-mafia-iv?page=56#1110
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/441596-gsl-open-mini-mafia-iv?page=75#1485

Are you confident enough that you'd want to lynch him now over someone who has posted, without waiting to see if he does shape up tonight?

On April 01 2014 05:02 JarJarDrinks wrote:
@austin,

why in the world would town fake claim survivor?

On April 01 2014 05:06 kitaman27 wrote:


Suppose slam is a survivor, has a role that we could force him to use in a pro-town or a role that can be confirmed, you don't care what he says?

We don't need to believe him. If he lies, then he lies. If he is truthful, then we get to pick how he uses his role in exchange for his survival, rather than having a neutral player choose to use their role to their personal benefit. In PTP, I was forced to roleclaim as survivor and town eventually lynched it for me because I was shooting townies left and right. Remember?

To be honest, I'd even be interested in hearing a fake claim to give us a better idea of potential roles in the setup.

On April 01 2014 05:24 JarJarDrinks wrote:

I don't understand WTF ur trying to say. Are you trying to say that we should ignore what people write? You're not making any sense.

On April 01 2014 05:30 JarJarDrinks wrote:
OK, but sometimes we should right? You do agree that we need to read and analyse peoples posts in order to find mafia right? Cause I can't understand why the F you'd keep asking me the same question when you know damn well what the answer is.

Like you can take any case and say "Why can't he be town?". Then when you're answered by someone explaining the reason, you can just use the same argument you made here and say "Well people type things all the time. Doesn't make it true"

On April 01 2014 05:31 Hopeless1der wrote:
i think rayn meant a mafia-game shrink, like a doctor against conversions

On April 01 2014 05:35 thrawn2112 wrote:
austin, the hosts talked about conversion mechanics before the game started. it's probably even in the op

On April 01 2014 05:37 JarJarDrinks wrote:
that's ridiculous. claiming survivor immediately makes him a safe lynch for the town. That'd be the last thing I'd do if I was blue. Puts you right in the spotlight (just like it did)

On April 01 2014 06:23 Amiko wrote:
As rayn has flipped blue I want to know if anyone feels differently about massclaiming as rayn proposed d1.
I still feel it is a bad idea but since I know it was coming from someone in town I'd like to hear if anyone has re-evaluated it or feels differently.

@austinmcc I like most of your posts, but I do not really understand your vote on tehpoofter and it doesn't feel to me like you are pushing that lynch at all.
I talked about conversions some earlier, if you want to pursue that topic I'm glad to during the teatime/night phase.

On April 01 2014 06:34 Toadesstern wrote:
I'm basicly saying, it doesn't look like thrawn cared about Rayn being lynched despite having him as 100% certain town

On April 01 2014 06:38 Tehpoofter wrote:


Lets talk bro. I disagree you didn't push you case you went pretty hard and fought with rayn about it. So let me steer you in the right direction towards the green light.

So you have time to chat?

On April 01 2014 07:04 Tehpoofter wrote:



I'm going to assume you mean "Did I believe him?" to which I will say that kind of. I hated that he waited until the last moment to claim although in this game his role is pretty damn important so idk. I believed him enough to switch off him and onto someone else. My switch wasn't however based solely on his claim his play and the way he reacted to kita man seemed town and he stopped making some of the posts that he was doing that I found scummy (like wanting to just make a lynch on claimed survivor and thats it) and also to list off his reads mega early and in an all encompassing function like he did something I hadn't seen him do and that earlier is really weird because there wasn't much info on a lot of people.

I don't understand your bird RP bullshit so I'll ignore it and talk to you like a person. So my reading rayn was based on the fact I had played with him and he played that game a certain way and the way he played this game was different to me. Behavior patterns is a big thing for me to read off of. I think rayn played differently and I knew he was a strong player from the previous game so my first instinct is "its different burn it with fire!!!" Cause a lot of times different play=mafia. Maybe thats just rayn's power role play and I'll know for future games. The problem I was having was that reading him I'd like a post he would make or the way he reacted to something then completely dislike what he did or didn't do. So it was like a roller coaster read... plus I know he knows I'm new to this format and I felt he is a good player and might try to pocket me with a simple town read if he knew my alignment.

(I can provide specific posts if you which but there was way more than just 2-3 so didn't want to get away from the point of what I was reading)

Now mr. Austin a question for you. What do you think of mr vivax?

On April 01 2014 07:48 Tehpoofter wrote:



I asked questions to probe for other scum reads but to be honest nothing was really happening aside from Slam posting a whole bunch of shit from another game it seemed. I hadn't seen any other scummy things from people at the time I was in a place that I had a weak scum read and I didn't really have anything else to go on or pressure with who was around at the time. The kita case happened and I had the vivax read that really only mattered if rayn flipped town. I believed the claim and still wanted to hit scum over Slam so yeah I didn't do a good job basically. I'm trying to turn it around atm

On April 02 2014 01:50 kushm4sta wrote:
is kita a guy who hates playing scum?

On April 01 2014 18:13 Tehpoofter wrote:


I think austin's case sounded townie even though it was against me. So its a weird question to ask mafia because if I'm right and austin is town then they have to comment on a town on town case and they might polarize who they can push on safely by answering in a way where they call us both town. I also find it odd it gained like no traction since I was town probably because there wasnt a lot of scum and rayn is stronger than me and was being voted but still its a good thing to bring up now before we get to a point where the main wagons from the D1 are lynched or dead or w.e. so if people bring it up as evidence they have to go with what they say no as opposed to being able to say w.e. they want to throw dirt on me or austin. (again this is mostly based on the read I have that austin is town.)

On April 01 2014 08:25 Tehpoofter wrote:
@austin what do you think about my post on vivax?

On April 02 2014 03:11 kushm4sta wrote:
austin why are your questions so invariably shitty

On April 02 2014 03:30 kushm4sta wrote:
my thoughts on massclaim = retarded as ever
dont know what you mean about "pure supposition about toad" but he looks town to me for various reasons.

kitaman looking townie.

On April 02 2014 02:28 austinmcc wrote:
If anyone is a cop or has checks or does stuff, I suggest doing stuff to Toad (not life-saving stuff, check-y stuff). I don't care so much about the check me/don't check me stuff, but it somewhat fits what I think of when I think of scumtoad, which is ... strange posts and having too much fun with powers and whatnot. I would also GENERALLY assume that there is no role which says "you can't vote." The role is very very very likely to be "you can't vote, and you also do this thing to compensate." Not having a vote means it's likely the other thing, which is likely to exist, is likely to be something pretty sizeable. So if we have cop stuff, I think toad is a solid candidate. There is also the idea that IF this game is somewhat balanced around conversion, ONE WAY to balance a growing scum team is to remove votes. Town gets MORE lynch control than normal, because scum don't just kill townies, they can yoink somebody (all speculative). Small numbers aren't the only disadvantage that can be used to balance out a scum team that may be able to grow.

On April 02 2014 03:39 kushm4sta wrote:
why is massclaiming not retarded?

On April 02 2014 03:41 kitaman27 wrote:
austin, did you care if rayn died? I know you said you thought poofter was your preferred lynch and I know you thought that the rayn was sending you town signals, but did it matter to you if he got lynched? When the player that you thought was town claimed a strong power role, rather than responding "omg guys we need to move votes off him now", you were like "oh didn't someone mention conversion at some point?"







When slam unvoted ten minutes before the lynch, with kush, hope, amiko and myself there are only four votes on rayn.

At this point, you can either place the fourth vote on slam, which would become five after thrawn posting his intentions or you can become the second vote on gumshoe, eventually to be joined by poofter or thrawn. Yet you didn't move your vote.

Questions:
1) Did you prefer a rayn or slam lynch?
2) Why didn't you move your vote to gumshoe?

On April 02 2014 03:40 austinmcc wrote:
Vee vill ask zee qvestions here.

On March 30 2014 17:45 kushm4sta wrote:
1 explain why you think mass claim would be beneficial.

On March 31 2014 01:57 kushm4sta wrote:
ryan
Last crossfire game could be solved with massclaim. You told crossfire right? Don't you think he would go out of his way to make sure that wasn't the case with this game?

On April 02 2014 03:30 kushm4sta wrote:
my thoughts on massclaim = retarded as ever

On March 31 2014 22:08 kushm4sta wrote:
I think toads case on hopeless is unconvincing but it probably comes from town, unless toad stepped it up hard core since his last scum game.

Gotta read Raines newest stuff still.

I think there is evidence that kita has too much information.

On April 02 2014 04:00 kushm4sta wrote:
cause you tell the scum what roles you have so they know how to counter it?
cause scum can recruit the sexiest roles?

he has too much game setup information I thought. pretty minor compared to the towniness shown in his filter though.

On April 02 2014 04:02 kitaman27 wrote:
austin, just so I can get a good picture of things, up to how close to the lynch were you around?

On April 02 2014 04:21 kitaman27 wrote:


raynpelikoneet (6) - kushm4sta, Alakaslam, Tehpoofter, Hopeless1der, kitaman27, Amiko
Alakaslam (3) -JarJarDrinks, Djodref, Vivax
kitaman27 (1) - raynpelikoneet
gumshoe (1) - thrawn2112

So the votes looked something like this when you left. Lets assume that rayn and slam are acting logically and would vote for any scenario that would save themselves. Toad claimed that his vote doesn't count so I'll ignore it.

Essentially for gumshoe to be lynched, he needs six votes because of critical mass. That means jarjar, djo, and vivax would need to move in the last 7 minutes, which seems possible, but difficult to pull off if they aren't present. slam would need to move from rayn to gumshoe and then one (or two depending on the slam votes) individuals that mentioned that they preferred rayn would need to move. I suppose poofter was the most likely since he did with seconds left, but he was your strong read so I'm not sure why you would expect that.

Did you really expect a gumshoe lynch without your vote or was it more an issue that you were busy and didn't think things through (which I'm not faulting you for, I just want to know which one is it)

On April 02 2014 05:57 kitaman27 wrote:
I need you to write a book report summarizing The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich. This is of vital importance.

On April 02 2014 06:09 kitaman27 wrote:
That's why I was hoping to stockpile on reads from austin before the deadline XD

On April 02 2014 11:39 JarJarDrinks wrote:
I think he's more likely to be survivor but I still think there's a chance he's scum.

On April 02 2014 11:44 thrawn2112 wrote:
what do you think about nuking gumshoe?

On April 02 2014 11:52 JarJarDrinks wrote:
What do you mean? I'm pretty sure I've never said I thought he was more likely to be scum then survivor.

On April 02 2014 12:54 Tehpoofter wrote:



agreed. Austin you still in the vivax is town camp? What do you think about my theory that the scum is between those who pushed on rayn but voted slam? <<<These same question to thrawn/JJD/Kita

On April 02 2014 13:26 Amiko wrote:
@austinmcc and @kushm4sta since you are in thread
I agree with austinmcc and I'm willing to filter dive a bit to see if I can find something.

Would you both let me know whether you agree with JJD's statement above regarding nuke/kitaman27?

On April 01 2014 21:47 kushm4sta wrote:

that vote was a relic from early d1. I didn't even remember about it until poofter just said something.

On April 01 2014 18:08 Tehpoofter wrote:
Town: Thrawn - He seems to be actually taken a back by the fact that he is only finding town, scum needs mislynches so if hes scum hes playing against his win con.
Austin - I think his case and the way he fought it was townie. He also had the same line of thinking as me that we shouldn't just lynch SLAM and should try to find real scum sadly he didn't find any scum but neither did I

For scum: I want to look at vivax, kita, kush and JJD the most. I don't think they are all four scum but I think there is definitely a scum in there.
Vivax for the reason that he tried to bury rayn and then voted slam... like he buries a town and gets off the wagon good lay low scum play imo.
Kita: He puhsed on rayn and didn't really seem to listen to his responses during his push if you will note the difference between him and me pushing our cases on rayn I was not really sure and uncertain about if he was scum and austin pointed it out on my case I feel like being sure is more scummy than townie cause I'm trying to figure it out and kita in this case would just need a ML also I pointed out earlier my theory on the vote count thing possibly being from him.
Kush: He is here because my town read thrawn wants to know whats up with you.
JJD: He says that kita scum slipped calling me and him town maybe he did and kita is scum but it counts against JJD here because I'm in no way confirmed so how does he know I'm town? I mean maybe he read me as town but I didn't see that in his read... I'm going to read his filter after this and see if I missed him calling me town before that but I don't recall it.

I ranked my scum and town in order of strongest to weakest.

On April 03 2014 12:20 Amiko wrote:
@austinmcc: I will be around a little bit tonight but need to start reading another game, so I will be glad to chat with you! But expect some long pauses between posts.

On March 30 2014 06:25 Hopeless1der wrote:

because the alternative means i need to be a dick to kita and i dont wanna do that right now.

On March 30 2014 06:26 Hopeless1der wrote:

i do. Why did you vote rayn?

On April 01 2014 05:31 Hopeless1der wrote:
i think rayn meant a mafia-game shrink, like a doctor against conversions

On April 03 2014 02:30 Hopeless1der wrote:
- rayn could fakeclaim. I thought rayn was scum. I continued believing rayn could be scum and left my vote accordingly.

On April 02 2014 06:42 Hopeless1der wrote:
Where did we leave things with a mass claim? I'm going to go filter dive a bunch of peoples in the meantime. I'm more inclined to mass claim now.

On April 01 2014 00:02 Hopeless1der wrote:
p.s. rayn revoted kita

On April 01 2014 05:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
A few facts.
1) kitaman is mafia.
2) austin is mafia because he devoted all his day in talking nonsense, ending up his vote on a guy who he never tried to get lynched. He doesn't even think i am mafia yet he does nothing to get his lynch through. Also he defend a third faction. rofl.
3) this town is terrible and i am happy i am not in the game in ~40min. noone in this town has balls to stand behind their townreads. noone is this town has balls to fucking push their scumread. Noone in this town has fucking balls to do anything other than lurk or talk shit.
4) town deserves to lose.
5) Good job retards you killed your shrink.

On April 01 2014 05:31 Hopeless1der wrote:
i think rayn meant a mafia-game shrink, like a doctor against conversions

On April 02 2014 06:42 Hopeless1der wrote:
Where did we leave things with a mass claim? I'm going to go filter dive a bunch of peoples in the meantime. I'm more inclined to mass claim now.

On April 03 2014 13:30 Hopeless1der wrote:
Re: Massclaim
rayn flipped town and wanted us to mass claim, so he thought it was a good idea. It worked out in handslaps PYP, though that was semi-open. btw that was shortly after Day2 started, not the lynch. And for the record I'm still FOR a mass claim if we can agree to it.

Re: Shrink Claim
In my defense, everyone else just kind of brushed it off and went along about their business the same as me. No one panicked and yelled OMG Y U LYNCH DOCTOR?! and I wanted rayn lynched...why would I draw attention to that fact? In hindsight yes this may make me look scummier but I had a scumread and felt that pointing out that the claim could be fake would cause people to scrutinize it and possibly swap over to gumshoe or slam, contrary to my preference.

Re: response to kita -> kush
1-I think you mean Vivax
2-I found Vivax to be asking a lot of questions and refusing to put up his own discussion. Since the game opened I feel like he's been casually painting me scum, but someone (maybe you or thrawn) said that the fact that he's doing stuff instead of not doing stuff probably points to him being town, so I kind of disregarded him. However i think his questions are really open-ended and basically kush hits things pretty square with this conversation:



It feels like Vivax is just quoting stuff and asking different people "and how does that make you feel?" like he's some glorified therapist.

On April 03 2014 13:30 Hopeless1der wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Uhh April Fools? Thats 25:10 later

On April 03 2014 13:37 JarJarDrinks wrote:
I'm trying to figure out if hopeless going after me (Knowing I had a nuke and hadn't used it yet) is more scummy or townie. It's a pretty bad play for either.

Like if he's scum then he risks me firing it @ him. But maybe he takes the risk knowing that I already have 2 people that I reallly want to kill.

If he's town and truly believes I'm scum that has the nuke then it really makes no sense for him to push me untill after I fire it. Like why would he try to get me lynched @ that point knowing that if I get in vote trouble I'd fire it @ town. If he really suspected me as scum, I'd think he'd keep it to himself untill after.

On April 03 2014 20:07 Tehpoofter wrote:



I'm around, sadly not converted as apparently we lost our shrink and doctor. That sucks gum played it like that with the name thing. I thought it was interesting kush can do the vote thing and shoot during the day that's a pretty strong town role imo. I think you pointed this out thrawn.

I think scum is somewhere between Vivax, Hopeless, Toad....
Vivax for reasons I've stated.

Toad because he's claiming to not have a vote that counts and he can't die at night that is like the tree stump role on epic mafia which is kinda useless and easy to claim as mafia (I have done it in video mafia on several occasions) cause you never have to explain why you're alive and you can no vote and absolve yourself of all responsibility. (I've been busy with work and other games so haven't had time to dive but have we confirmed Toad's vote doesn't count?)

Hopeless - I believe austin had a case on hopeless where he was around at day end voting on rayn after the claim saying it seemed fake without a cc. I was around then too and had been hard on rayn all day and wanted to get my vote off him to someone else (ended up on the doctor whoops) but still not on the claimed role.


Town for me is thrawn, kush, austin, amiko (tenatively cause of the heal and he seems to be piecing the game together)

On April 03 2014 20:09 Tehpoofter wrote:
@austin you really think slam is going to flip town o.0?

On April 04 2014 02:19 Alakaslam wrote:

Put a link to zoo posts not sure I I have long

On April 03 2014 12:38 austinmcc wrote:
]If this game were a zoo, and every player in the game were an animal (and the zoo had these specific animals):

Who would be a tiger?
Who would be a flamingo, or fake flamingo?
Who would be a monkey, and please specify whether a monkey species that flings feces or no?

(This is actually a real set of questions)

On April 03 2014 13:21 Amiko wrote:
@austinmcc

I don't know if these questions will be meaningful but I'll ask you to see where it goes-

Who would be a:
a) Hippo?
b) Panda?

(also if you want to be a flamingo as bird god I can accept that)

On April 03 2014 13:30 Amiko wrote:
@austinmcc re: tigerKita in the zoo

I didn't mean much by the comment except to express he is kinda scary.

But! I can offer a post-hoc thematically appropriate explanation, which I do think is fair:
I feel like I would expect Kita to be more on the defensive d2 given rayn's certain scum read followed by a town flip. In other words, kita should be feeling high pressure. But I don't think the pressure on kita has been all that strong (with some exceptions... JJD put some pressure earlier on him regarding the nuke, kita's had to explain some reads, you are following up with some now... but it still doesn't feel like he is in much danger to me right now).
In other words, maybe kita should be constrained by the thread sentiment, but it doesn't seem like he is.

On April 04 2014 02:23 Vivax wrote:
austin save me from the mafia pls

On April 04 2014 04:12 Djodref wrote:
I agree with austin, we shouldn't lynch vivax. His reaction to gumshoe claim looked indeed very townie.
I'd like to add that he kind of offered kush a way out by enticing to claim that his power was 1-shot. He cares about kush being converted or not in the future.
Also I'm not convinced by kita case, the same way I was not convinced by his case on rayn yesterday.

I believe Vivax is town, don't lynch a townie please !

On April 04 2014 04:21 kitaman27 wrote:
Vivax's reaction to gumshoe seems to be how any player would act. Townie randomly claims and then gets caught in a fake claim. I guess I don't put as much value into his reaction as you guys seem to do.

If I read his hopeless reaction from the perspective that hopeless is scum, then I agree it looks really good. However, from a Vivax is scum and hopeless is town perspective, I don't find anything that says it is impossible.

On April 04 2014 04:51 thrawn2112 wrote:


that is so bad.

he is scum for changing his mind?

On April 04 2014 04:54 thrawn2112 wrote:
kita should be scumreading everyone in the thread if that's the logic he's using to read vivax

i don't see anything wrong withvivax pushing to nuke slam?

On April 04 2014 04:57 Hopeless1der wrote:

Here's the real reason i wanted ot lynch vivax:
I'm a modified watcher

A targetted B
Vivax Targetted B

I know the role name of A.

I do not actually know who A is or who A targetted.

On April 04 2014 05:05 kitaman27 wrote:


As far as I can tell, Vivax was town that game. Did you mean to say go look at town vivax's filter or am I missing something?

On April 04 2014 05:30 JarJarDrinks wrote:
I really wanna know who vivax targetted. I really think knowing can only be positive.

On April 04 2014 05:38 JarJarDrinks wrote:
U say if our targets are different then we can lynch [hopeless] without remorse. Well if vivax reveals his target and I say it doesn't match then what is preventing vivax from being scum?

On April 04 2014 05:36 austinmcc wrote:
TOAD WOULD YOU CARE TO DO ANYTHING OTHER THAN ROLECLAIM?

On April 04 2014 05:36 austinmcc wrote:
TOAD WOULD YOU CARE TO DO ANYTHING OTHER THAN ROLECLAIM?

On April 04 2014 05:36 austinmcc wrote:
TOAD WOULD YOU CARE TO DO ANYTHING OTHER THAN ROLECLAIM?

On April 04 2014 05:45 Djodref wrote:
Vivax could you please tell who you targeted ?
If it doesn't match with JJD, we can safely lynch Hopeless. I don't understand why you would retain this info ?!

On April 04 2014 05:45 Toadesstern wrote:


I'm sorry, I'm doing what I can with the limited time I have and I just haven't read enough to give you anything more than 1-post-analysis from stuff I see as I go through.
I told you that not doing stuff isn't alignment indicating either way, it's indicative for the fact that I don't have time, which means asking me to do something won't get you anywhere because I'm not actively choosing to not do anything...

So sorry

On April 04 2014 05:53 kitaman27 wrote:
So Vivax is confirmed Rose right?

On April 04 2014 05:56 kitaman27 wrote:
Wait, so how does Vivax targeting austin make him town?

On April 04 2014 06:25 Amiko wrote:
ugh.
I'm a little demoralized.

I agree with Austin, I think we should get reads out pre-conversions.

@austinmcc-
I know it's lame to move away from thread now, but my plan was to stay in thread until lynch then give what time I could to the Catastrophe game. But, you mentioned in the last few pages you wanted to talk more flippantly and less constructed with me, and I can try to do that tonight (~5hrs).

On April 04 2014 07:12 kushm4sta wrote:
austin you have a townread on vivax?

On April 02 2014 19:48 thrawn2112 wrote:
now I think that conflicts with the reasons you mentioned earlier. I think what tehpoofter brought up was actually a valid point, that you gave support to the rayn lynch while not actually voting for rayn in the end so as not to take the blame for the lynch. "push rayn, but lynch slam... safe scum play" is what i think he's getting at. you say that one of your main problems with tehpoofter's case against you is that you think he's taking advantage of your low post count, and that is definitely NOT what's going on.

so i see here that you're being defensive about your low post count (which was a reason you got lynched as mafia last game) and you are completely misprepresenting the reasons tehpoofter has for voting for you.

any comments?

On April 02 2014 20:02 thrawn2112 wrote:
they wouldn't have needed to vote rayn to secure the rayn lynch. that's what tehpoofter is saying! for example, you supported the rayn lynch during the day, but you managed have your vote end up elsewhere while still accomplishing lynching rayn!

On April 03 2014 06:37 thrawn2112 wrote:
i'll join your wagon djodref. toad doesn't get to use his no-voting power as an excuse to not play

On April 03 2014 11:49 thrawn2112 wrote:
hey austin. i think we are lynching toad today. how do you feel about that?

On April 03 2014 18:07 thrawn2112 wrote:
wtf toad. every one of your posts u are like.... "only dumbasses who havn't read the thread could think i'm maifa or maybe they are mafia...

but oh wait guys i haven't read the thread"

so how could you know that reading the thread would confirm you as town if you haven't read the thread?

do you know that gumshoe is confirmed medic and he saved amiko? so you you are not as confirmed as you would have us believe.

On April 04 2014 04:41 thrawn2112 wrote:
i'm here, agree with not lynching vivax

On April 02 2014 07:50 Amiko wrote:
Fire ze missiles?
I don’t feel too strongly about whether you nuke slam or someone else today.
However, my preference is absolutely that you use the nuke today because if you hold onto it you are at the very least a tempting conversion/kill target (if you are not scum/3p already).

On April 05 2014 04:02 thrawn2112 wrote:
austin. what changed with the vivax read is all the stuff he posted after i was yelling at him. all the kita vs vivax stuff

On April 05 2014 04:07 Vivax wrote:
Austin how do you townread poofter? Would be nice if I could get him off the list of suspects.

On April 05 2014 04:09 JarJarDrinks wrote:
@People saying kush is possible scum:

Explain how he knew gumshoe was lying? The only way it's possibly for Kush to be scum is if he was converted.

On April 05 2014 04:14 thrawn2112 wrote:


yep

On April 05 2014 04:18 thrawn2112 wrote:


no?

On April 05 2014 04:24 thrawn2112 wrote:


If I wanted to lynch you yesterday I wouldn't have switched back to toad. As I said, I'm not sure.

On April 04 2014 05:27 thrawn2112 wrote:
i'm down for kita or towd

On April 05 2014 04:35 Vivax wrote:


Wow

On April 05 2014 04:42 thrawn2112 wrote:


no but it's posts like that one. I was already back to null reading you right before before the D2 deadline