EPTAnyway, here is where I sit in my currently unhelpful spot (because holy crap we need to lynch scum and we're all sort of dawdling while "waiting" on crap, which btw is scummy in its own right)
I don't trust this check in the slightest. Here's previous stuff on Kush -+ Show Spoiler +
On April 05 2014 04:26 austinmcc wrote:
kush has weird posts on Kita, real weird. Think of kita as a person, his thought process is transparent, hopeless is tooscummytobescum and lynchbait. Lots of like...very randomly sure stuff on people he hasn't discussed TOO much. His comments on kita are strange throughout. REALLY WEIRD. JJD attacks kita, kush says JJD is "underestimating the fluidity of [kita's] reads D1."
Despite saying he doesn't know kita well, hasn't played with the guy much.
Just...look through kush's filter for kita and follow the trail. CURIOUS MAXIMUS.
Kush ALSO fails to comment at all on hopeless/vivax/JJD, even though he's been pushing Vivax during the day and is scummy on vivax and voting him. But then he drops off Vivax for being "engaged and shit" on D2, and says he's overestimating Vivax's town game. (KUSH DID NOT POST WITHIN LIKE 4:30 OF LYNCH, THIS IS NOT THE SAME AS HOPELESS POSTING BUT NOT COMMENTING ON THINGS. BUT THE VIVAX STUFF IS ODD, THE WAY HE JUST DUMPS HIS READ)
Kush tonight is possible scum on THRAWN, JJD, DJODREF, AMIKO, and POOFTER. Half the game is possible scum with no real reasoning. Then he jumps on Amiko for having "weak shit" to back up reads.
Some of this play is just kush. I don't have a good meta grasp, have not gone back and read games, should do that if alive D3. Kush's townieness essentially just stems from the claim and shot, and I don't like sorting people's alignments based on roles, I have used that to great effect as scum in themed games myself. KP + sekrit voting are questionable town powers.
Blah blah blah. Does anyone believe kush town/supertown based on NOT his role? We should chat! Because his filter raises some flags between his magically appearing N2 reads, all his stuff on Kita, and ... actually those are the biggest things for me.
kush has weird posts on Kita, real weird. Think of kita as a person, his thought process is transparent, hopeless is tooscummytobescum and lynchbait. Lots of like...very randomly sure stuff on people he hasn't discussed TOO much. His comments on kita are strange throughout. REALLY WEIRD. JJD attacks kita, kush says JJD is "underestimating the fluidity of [kita's] reads D1."
Despite saying he doesn't know kita well, hasn't played with the guy much.
Just...look through kush's filter for kita and follow the trail. CURIOUS MAXIMUS.
Kush ALSO fails to comment at all on hopeless/vivax/JJD, even though he's been pushing Vivax during the day and is scummy on vivax and voting him. But then he drops off Vivax for being "engaged and shit" on D2, and says he's overestimating Vivax's town game. (KUSH DID NOT POST WITHIN LIKE 4:30 OF LYNCH, THIS IS NOT THE SAME AS HOPELESS POSTING BUT NOT COMMENTING ON THINGS. BUT THE VIVAX STUFF IS ODD, THE WAY HE JUST DUMPS HIS READ)
Kush tonight is possible scum on THRAWN, JJD, DJODREF, AMIKO, and POOFTER. Half the game is possible scum with no real reasoning. Then he jumps on Amiko for having "weak shit" to back up reads.
Some of this play is just kush. I don't have a good meta grasp, have not gone back and read games, should do that if alive D3. Kush's townieness essentially just stems from the claim and shot, and I don't like sorting people's alignments based on roles, I have used that to great effect as scum in themed games myself. KP + sekrit voting are questionable town powers.
Blah blah blah. Does anyone believe kush town/supertown based on NOT his role? We should chat! Because his filter raises some flags between his magically appearing N2 reads, all his stuff on Kita, and ... actually those are the biggest things for me.
Kush's Early Game
Kushmasta is super logical and active at the beginning of the game. Boom, slam is scum for writing sentences normally. Boom, kita is random voting for info --> and that means that kush is concerned about thrawn's response. Questions about mass claims, thoughts on slam being survivor/mafia, "catching" rayn for his actions and comparing them to past games, comments on past crossfire games being solvable with mass claims, comment on toad's case on hopeless (unconvincing) --> using that case to make a read on toad (probably town).
Take that. Take that D1. He's making reads on people, he's posting in response to things happening, toad makes a case? Kush talks about the case AND makes a read on toad. Kita random votes? Kush talks about random voting AND asks questions of thrawn about his response. Yes yes good good.
Now, couple of things.
- Compare that D1 to N1/D2/N2/D3. The engagement drops off HEAVILY. The posting drops off. Commenting on just...THINGS drops off. Reading people, going that extra step drops off. There's very, very little "AND" in his D2 and D3 so far. Kita checks town AND..... Vivax is scummy then townie THE END, NO AND. JJD is wrong about Kita AND.....
NOPE. NO ANDS. NO FOLLOW THROUGH. JUST LITTLE DRIPS OF INFO. NO AND. HOW MANY AND? ZERO AND. A LACK OF AND. - Compare Kush's posting this game to recent games. I chopped off VIVAX420 hydras, and Normal Mini. Game ended at the end of D2, Kush ~15 pages filter, TL Mafia LXIV: The Restart. Kush dies N2, ~ 10 pages, Super Mario Brothers Mini, Kush is NKed on N1, ~12 pages filter. All town games. However, mafia Kush gets lynched on D4 in Default Suspicions Mafia. ~7 total pages, and is endgamed D5 in Witchcraft, ~14 pages.
Some of that will be pre/postgame banter. But kush's town posting LOOKS more voluminous in most of this town games. He appears to post LESS as scum. This game we're just into a 7th page of filter, almost halfway through D3. That, to me, is MORE similar to scum games, although it's not AS little as Default Suspicions. It's not, however, the double digits he's normally cranking out in 2 days as town. - Look at Kush <--> Kita, below.
Kush and Kita, Suspected of Sitting in a Tree. The Tree is Scummy. More at 11
Kush --> Kita
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On March 30 2014 12:45 kushm4sta wrote:
What kita did is referred to as RVS. Basically randomly voting someone for a bullshit reason at the beginning of the game to spur discussion. It is a tactic of dubious merits in my opinion, but it is very popular on other sites, especially mafiascum.
I am also concerned about thawn's response to kita.
Thrawn have you never experienced RVS before?
It seems fake that you would press kita for his reasoning for a vote that is obviously based on nothing.
What kita did is referred to as RVS. Basically randomly voting someone for a bullshit reason at the beginning of the game to spur discussion. It is a tactic of dubious merits in my opinion, but it is very popular on other sites, especially mafiascum.
I am also concerned about thawn's response to kita.
Thrawn have you never experienced RVS before?
It seems fake that you would press kita for his reasoning for a vote that is obviously based on nothing.
A treatise on RVS, and what kita is doing.
On March 31 2014 22:08 kushm4sta wrote:
I think toads case on hopeless is unconvincing but it probably comes from town, unless toad stepped it up hard core since his last scum game.
Gotta read Raines newest stuff still.
I think there is evidence that kita has too much information.
Kita has too much evidenceI think toads case on hopeless is unconvincing but it probably comes from town, unless toad stepped it up hard core since his last scum game.
Gotta read Raines newest stuff still.
I think there is evidence that kita has too much information.
On April 01 2014 21:43 kushm4sta wrote:
Questions for Kita
why do you think this?
Why is the boldified relevant?
Have you ever played with town rayn before? I'm sure you have. In that game, was he not super sure about his reads d1?
Why do you write more about how hopeless is scum, yet you push the rayn lynch? In your last post about rayn, which is not quoted, half of it is saying why you think he might be town. So basically, what made rayn a better lynch than hopeless yesterday?
Questioning Kita's loyalties, and why he voted rayn. Keep in mind kush doublevoted rayn. It's okay to question someone else's motives for voting your target, that's super sexy. But kush never does this until AFTER the lynch.Questions for Kita
why do you think this?
Why is the boldified relevant?
Have you ever played with town rayn before? I'm sure you have. In that game, was he not super sure about his reads d1?
Why do you write more about how hopeless is scum, yet you push the rayn lynch? In your last post about rayn, which is not quoted, half of it is saying why you think he might be town. So basically, what made rayn a better lynch than hopeless yesterday?
On April 02 2014 01:50 kushm4sta wrote:
is kita a guy who hates playing scum?
is kita a guy who hates playing scum?
Hi I am 12 and how does kita play scum?
AFTER KUSH POSTS THOSE QUESTIONS TO KITA, KITA RESPONDS --->
On April 01 2014 22:16 kitaman27 wrote:
Scum numbers need to be balanced. If you start with the max scum numbers for a 14 player setup and then add a changing alignment mechanic on top of it your would need to compensate somehow. Having a scum - > town conversation makes no sense since they would simply post the scum list, so a nerfed starting number makes the most sense.
Was trying to show my mindset as mafia, but it probably makes more sense to me than anyone else. Wasn't really necessary I suppose.
Yes, though I don't recall him ever going after myself actually. The fact that he was willing to call me 100% confirmed mafia I found incredibly scummy because he essentially took that stance based on my post on him. I can't imagine myself ever acting like he did as town, but I guess he runs hotter. When I posted my case on him, I gave him several opportunities to justify his scum read on myself and essentially he gave a "I don't care"/"I'm too lazy" response even though he suggested that I was mafia several times. That didn't sit well with me so I went after him and he blew up.
I wrote about hopeless because I wanted to look at a few other people before deciding that he was my preferred lynch. At the point where I wrote the rayn case, I hadn't looked at anyone else with much depth yet. I did explain in my post why I felt rayn was a better lynch due to admitting the weakness of the case based on the few quotes I picked out and that his relationship with rayn was based on post-flip analysis. I was making assumptions about his alignment based on rayn flipping a certain way, which wasn't what I wanted to base a day one lynch on. The biggest point against hope was that he seemed to suggest that he wanted to follow through with the 1:1 trade if rayn flipped town, even though he seemed to agree with my case and had not mentioned any suspicion of myself prior to rayn suggesting the deal.
I'll likely be spending more time reading than posting this night cycle, but I may pop in from time to time.
This post leads kush to find Kita townieScum numbers need to be balanced. If you start with the max scum numbers for a 14 player setup and then add a changing alignment mechanic on top of it your would need to compensate somehow. Having a scum - > town conversation makes no sense since they would simply post the scum list, so a nerfed starting number makes the most sense.
Was trying to show my mindset as mafia, but it probably makes more sense to me than anyone else. Wasn't really necessary I suppose.
Yes, though I don't recall him ever going after myself actually. The fact that he was willing to call me 100% confirmed mafia I found incredibly scummy because he essentially took that stance based on my post on him. I can't imagine myself ever acting like he did as town, but I guess he runs hotter. When I posted my case on him, I gave him several opportunities to justify his scum read on myself and essentially he gave a "I don't care"/"I'm too lazy" response even though he suggested that I was mafia several times. That didn't sit well with me so I went after him and he blew up.
I wrote about hopeless because I wanted to look at a few other people before deciding that he was my preferred lynch. At the point where I wrote the rayn case, I hadn't looked at anyone else with much depth yet. I did explain in my post why I felt rayn was a better lynch due to admitting the weakness of the case based on the few quotes I picked out and that his relationship with rayn was based on post-flip analysis. I was making assumptions about his alignment based on rayn flipping a certain way, which wasn't what I wanted to base a day one lynch on. The biggest point against hope was that he seemed to suggest that he wanted to follow through with the 1:1 trade if rayn flipped town, even though he seemed to agree with my case and had not mentioned any suspicion of myself prior to rayn suggesting the deal.
I'll likely be spending more time reading than posting this night cycle, but I may pop in from time to time.
On April 02 2014 03:30 kushm4sta wrote:
my thoughts on massclaim = retarded as ever
dont know what you mean about "pure supposition about toad" but he looks town to me for various reasons.
kitaman looking townie.
my thoughts on massclaim = retarded as ever
dont know what you mean about "pure supposition about toad" but he looks town to me for various reasons.
kitaman looking townie.
On April 02 2014 13:40 kushm4sta wrote:
im kind of busy with shit now so I'm not going to filter dive at this second, which is what I really need to do.
about kita having too much information.. since then i pretty much 180ed on that. It was how he said this game only has 1 or 2 scum, when i was approaching the game thinking there were 3 or 4.
But in actuality, if kita were scum, he probably wouldn't have said that at all because he would be extra careful not to reveal he has too much information.
kita slipped and was scummy for it.im kind of busy with shit now so I'm not going to filter dive at this second, which is what I really need to do.
about kita having too much information.. since then i pretty much 180ed on that. It was how he said this game only has 1 or 2 scum, when i was approaching the game thinking there were 3 or 4.
But in actuality, if kita were scum, he probably wouldn't have said that at all because he would be extra careful not to reveal he has too much information.
But actually, if kita were scum, HE WOULDN'T HAVE SLIPPED AND BEEN SCUMMY.
THIS IS A TERRIBLE TERRIBLE TERRIBLE POINT AND I NEED TO REMEMBER IT FOR CONCISE POSTING. LOOK AT KUSH'S COMMENT HERE. "Kita slipped and gave out information that made him look like he was scum with info on scum numbers. Kita has extra information (that town does not." ---> "Kita is not scummy for this, because scumKita would not slip and give out extra information."
The conclusion is HORRIBLY HORRIBLY wrong. "Scum are careful and don't do scummy things. Therefore, people doing scummy things are probably town."
Seriously. I'm not exaggerating. If I'm twisting those words, it's BARELY. Kita revealed info town shouldn't have, but he's townie for that because scum would be careful and not reveal this information. ALSO ALSO, small contrast with kush asking how kita plays scum....MAYBE KITA IS THE WORST SCUM PLAYER ON EARTH OR ALWAYS SLIPS OR WHATEVER, KUSH HAS BASICALLY NO IDEA HOW CAREFUL KITA IS AS SCUM BUT WILL TOWNREAD KITA FOR DOING SOMETHING SCUMMY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and another ! for good measure
Kush --> Kita, Act 2
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Now he's called Kita town. Kita is under pressure D2. Look at kush's kita-talk.
Okeedoke, fine. Explained reason to find kita townie. Townies do dumb and complicated stuff, scum generally don't want to look dumb/strange.
IF KUSH IS TOWN, I WOULD EXPECT HIM TO GO "WELL GEE GOLLY, KITA DOUBTED RAYN WAS SCUM, BUT WHO CARES BECAUSE RAYN WAS REALLY SCUMMY, I SHOULD KNOW, I PUT TWO VOTES ON HIM MYSELF, AND IT'S OKAY TO HAVE DOUBTS BUT LYNCH SCUMMY BROS.
THIS IS A GUY WHOSE SCUM GAME HE DOESN'T KNOW. HE HASN'T CLAIMED ANY MEGA KITA KNOWLEDGE. HE HASN'T EXPLAINED WHAT OTHER PLAYERS WERE THINKING AT ANY GIVEN TIME. HE DOESN'T KNOW KITA WELL, BUT WANTS JJD TO "THINK OF KITA AS A PERSON"
THIS MAKES NO SENSE AT ALL
HE DOESN'T KNOW KITA'S SCUM PLAY. HE ASSUMES THAT KITA'S SCUM PLAY ISN'T FLASHY. HE ASSUMES KITA IS LESS CONFRONTATIONAL. BUT JUST EARLIER, INSTEAD OF MAKING ASSUMPTIONS, HE WAS ASKING HOW KITA PLAYS SCUM.
DOES NOT COMPUTE. DOES NOT COMPUTER. #ANGRYSQUAWK.
SERIOUSLY THOUGH KUSH IS BENDING OVER BACKWARDS TO EXPLAIN WHAT KITA WAS DOING AND HOW KITA THINKS AND THAT IS REALLY ODD.
(Note: I didn't post the full blurb in this game, but I swear I've posted it in 1-2 others. Probably Shadow. I made some minor mention here about how Kita was looking town D1, but I needed to wait, and last time I "caught" him I got NKed N1 and it was too late to push him as a sure thing. But scumKita, when I've seen him play scum, looks REALLY townie for most of D1, then just coasts. He stops pushing things, doing work, giving large reads, making cases, etc. He just builds up that cred and glides. That is EXACTLY what I remember of Kita's scum play and EXACTLY what has happened this game and EXACTLY what kush is saying)
(1) Rayn had a power role related to conversion
(2) Kita mentioned conversions D1 (too much info, remember?)
(3) Kita probably has a role relating to conversions
(4) _____________________
KITA MENTIONED CONVERSIONS. TOWN HAD A SHRINK WHO IS DEAD. DOES KUSH THINK TOWN HAD TWO SHRINKS? THAT'S KIND OF A LOT. DOES KUSH THINK KITA CAN UNCONVERT SOMEONE? THAT'S A GAME-BREAKING POWER. DOES KUSH THINK KITA CAN DI THE CONVERTING? HE NEVER SAYS.
FOR ALL KUSH'S THOUGHTS ON KITA AND HIS PLAY AND HIS LONG, FLOWING HAIR, AND FOR ALL HIS D1 READS "AND", KUSH MAKES A SERIOUS OBSERVATION ABOUT KITA AND 100000% DECLINES TO FOLLOW THROUGH WITH IT. KITA KNOWS TOO MUCH ABOUT CONVERSIONS, RAYN FLIPPED TOWN WITH A ROLE DEALING WITH CONVERSIONS, KITA LIKELY HAS A ROLE THAT CONCERNS CONVERSIONS, AND ______________????? IS KITA TOWN/SCUM....WHAT!?
Gets the check back. Kita is town THE END. No questions asked. No suspicion of Godfatherness. Nothing.
On April 02 2014 13:43 kushm4sta wrote:
jjd sorry bro i dont follow your kita case at all.
yes his plan to copy his own meta and reaction test was dumb and complicated. Dumb and complicated things usually come from townies though.
jjd sorry bro i dont follow your kita case at all.
yes his plan to copy his own meta and reaction test was dumb and complicated. Dumb and complicated things usually come from townies though.
Okeedoke, fine. Explained reason to find kita townie. Townies do dumb and complicated stuff, scum generally don't want to look dumb/strange.
On April 02 2014 13:49 kushm4sta wrote:
1 i would not call that a defense
2 if you look at kita's case, he is quite open about having doubts that rayn is scum, and he points out things about rayn that look townie.
i am not seeing inconsistency.
Kita is open about having doubts that rayn is scum. But pushed his lynch, and together Kita and Kush are 60% of the non-rayn votes on Kush.1 i would not call that a defense
2 if you look at kita's case, he is quite open about having doubts that rayn is scum, and he points out things about rayn that look townie.
i am not seeing inconsistency.
IF KUSH IS TOWN, I WOULD EXPECT HIM TO GO "WELL GEE GOLLY, KITA DOUBTED RAYN WAS SCUM, BUT WHO CARES BECAUSE RAYN WAS REALLY SCUMMY, I SHOULD KNOW, I PUT TWO VOTES ON HIM MYSELF, AND IT'S OKAY TO HAVE DOUBTS BUT LYNCH SCUMMY BROS.
On April 02 2014 23:06 kushm4sta wrote:
jjd, you are misunderstanding this post I think. Basically the important part is at the moment. Then a combination of two things happened. Rayn did some shit kita found scummy AND kita reconsidered the scumminess in rayn's play.
To me, Kita's thought process is VERY transparent. He wrote at least two long ass posts dealing with his reads and the thought process behind them. His play would be extremely hard to pull off as scum I think.
Furthermore, think of Kita as a person. I don't know him that well, but from what I've seen, I seriously doubt he would be the kind of flashy scum player to try to get rayn mislynched D1. I see kita as being a less confrontational scum player.
Yes that meta is based on complete assumption.
Now kush is really going deep TO EXPLAIN SOMEONE ELSE'S ACTIONS AND THOUGHT PROCESSES.jjd, you are misunderstanding this post I think. Basically the important part is at the moment. Then a combination of two things happened. Rayn did some shit kita found scummy AND kita reconsidered the scumminess in rayn's play.
To me, Kita's thought process is VERY transparent. He wrote at least two long ass posts dealing with his reads and the thought process behind them. His play would be extremely hard to pull off as scum I think.
Furthermore, think of Kita as a person. I don't know him that well, but from what I've seen, I seriously doubt he would be the kind of flashy scum player to try to get rayn mislynched D1. I see kita as being a less confrontational scum player.
Yes that meta is based on complete assumption.
THIS IS A GUY WHOSE SCUM GAME HE DOESN'T KNOW. HE HASN'T CLAIMED ANY MEGA KITA KNOWLEDGE. HE HASN'T EXPLAINED WHAT OTHER PLAYERS WERE THINKING AT ANY GIVEN TIME. HE DOESN'T KNOW KITA WELL, BUT WANTS JJD TO "THINK OF KITA AS A PERSON"
THIS MAKES NO SENSE AT ALL
HE DOESN'T KNOW KITA'S SCUM PLAY. HE ASSUMES THAT KITA'S SCUM PLAY ISN'T FLASHY. HE ASSUMES KITA IS LESS CONFRONTATIONAL. BUT JUST EARLIER, INSTEAD OF MAKING ASSUMPTIONS, HE WAS ASKING HOW KITA PLAYS SCUM.
DOES NOT COMPUTE. DOES NOT COMPUTER. #ANGRYSQUAWK.
SERIOUSLY THOUGH KUSH IS BENDING OVER BACKWARDS TO EXPLAIN WHAT KITA WAS DOING AND HOW KITA THINKS AND THAT IS REALLY ODD.
On April 03 2014 00:36 kushm4sta wrote:
jjd did you see what i said about kita?
i tihnk you are underestimating the fluidity of his reads d1.
NO JJD. YOU UNDERESTIMATE THE FLUIDITY OF KITA'S READS. KUSH HAS A DEGREE IN KITANOMICS. A PHD IN ANCIENT ARCHAKITAEOLOGY. KUSH HAS TRACKED KITA THROUGH THE BUSH USING NOTHING BUT BROKEN BRANCHES AND TRACES OF PARTICULAR BERRIES LEFT IN KITA'S FECES. KUSH KNOWS EXACTLY WHAT KITA WAS THINKING AND HOW HE PLAYS AND THIS REMAINS REALLY FUNKY.jjd did you see what i said about kita?
i tihnk you are underestimating the fluidity of his reads d1.
On April 04 2014 07:19 kushm4sta wrote:
austinmcc - hella town
kitaman27 - hella town
Hopeless1der - probably town
thrawn2112 - possible scum
JarJarDrinks -possible scum
Vivax - probably town
Djodref - possible scum
Amiko - possible scum
Tehpoofter - possible scum
Kitaman is HELLA TOWN during N3austinmcc - hella town
kitaman27 - hella town
Hopeless1der - probably town
thrawn2112 - possible scum
JarJarDrinks -possible scum
Vivax - probably town
Djodref - possible scum
Amiko - possible scum
Tehpoofter - possible scum
On April 05 2014 18:23 kushm4sta wrote:
ok so i just read kita. d1 is really townie but then his activity falls off a lot. I wasn't really thinking about scum that could have been converted but yeah both kita and tehpoof look like possible conversions.
I'm checking kita.
Now kita might have been converted. NOT starting scum. Strong D1, weaker other days. ok so i just read kita. d1 is really townie but then his activity falls off a lot. I wasn't really thinking about scum that could have been converted but yeah both kita and tehpoof look like possible conversions.
I'm checking kita.
(Note: I didn't post the full blurb in this game, but I swear I've posted it in 1-2 others. Probably Shadow. I made some minor mention here about how Kita was looking town D1, but I needed to wait, and last time I "caught" him I got NKed N1 and it was too late to push him as a sure thing. But scumKita, when I've seen him play scum, looks REALLY townie for most of D1, then just coasts. He stops pushing things, doing work, giving large reads, making cases, etc. He just builds up that cred and glides. That is EXACTLY what I remember of Kita's scum play and EXACTLY what has happened this game and EXACTLY what kush is saying)
On April 05 2014 18:45 kushm4sta wrote:
cause rayn had a power role directly relating to conversions. So does kita probably since he mentioned conversions d1. So it's very likely that there have already been conversions.
READ THIS READ THIS READ THIScause rayn had a power role directly relating to conversions. So does kita probably since he mentioned conversions d1. So it's very likely that there have already been conversions.
(1) Rayn had a power role related to conversion
(2) Kita mentioned conversions D1 (too much info, remember?)
(3) Kita probably has a role relating to conversions
(4) _____________________
KITA MENTIONED CONVERSIONS. TOWN HAD A SHRINK WHO IS DEAD. DOES KUSH THINK TOWN HAD TWO SHRINKS? THAT'S KIND OF A LOT. DOES KUSH THINK KITA CAN UNCONVERT SOMEONE? THAT'S A GAME-BREAKING POWER. DOES KUSH THINK KITA CAN DI THE CONVERTING? HE NEVER SAYS.
FOR ALL KUSH'S THOUGHTS ON KITA AND HIS PLAY AND HIS LONG, FLOWING HAIR, AND FOR ALL HIS D1 READS "AND", KUSH MAKES A SERIOUS OBSERVATION ABOUT KITA AND 100000% DECLINES TO FOLLOW THROUGH WITH IT. KITA KNOWS TOO MUCH ABOUT CONVERSIONS, RAYN FLIPPED TOWN WITH A ROLE DEALING WITH CONVERSIONS, KITA LIKELY HAS A ROLE THAT CONCERNS CONVERSIONS, AND ______________????? IS KITA TOWN/SCUM....WHAT!?
Gets the check back. Kita is town THE END. No questions asked. No suspicion of Godfatherness. Nothing.
Kita --> Kush
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On March 30 2014 15:54 kitaman27 wrote:
kush is someone who usually gets on my nerves early and hasn't done so yet, which is a concern. I seem to remember him playing mafia and acting completely reasonable, but I'll have to look back to familiarize myself with some of his more recent games. In my opinion, thrawn and hope both overreacted to the random vote, yet kush doesn't draw the same conclusion by only expressing suspicion of thrawn. If slam is a survivor, then kush being the first one to defend him may make sense as mafia if he knows his alignment.
kush is someone who usually gets on my nerves early and hasn't done so yet, which is a concern. I seem to remember him playing mafia and acting completely reasonable, but I'll have to look back to familiarize myself with some of his more recent games. In my opinion, thrawn and hope both overreacted to the random vote, yet kush doesn't draw the same conclusion by only expressing suspicion of thrawn. If slam is a survivor, then kush being the first one to defend him may make sense as mafia if he knows his alignment.
Kita will look into Kush's mafia play. Kush's defense of slam seems POSSIBLE scummy.
On April 01 2014 04:31 kitaman27 wrote:
If I had to guess it would be based on my speculation of mafia numbers maybe? Anything to add kush?
Kush doesn't respond, again this is kita talking about low numbers and conversions.If I had to guess it would be based on my speculation of mafia numbers maybe? Anything to add kush?
On April 02 2014 05:27 kitaman27 wrote:
I'm looking at some combination of vivax, djo and hopeless at the moment.
I've been running into a lot of town reads myself. At least if the mafia pulls off a conversation, it might be easier to find mafia! XD
austin, do you think toad's "foolishness" read was simply an attempt to throw us off early? Does his no vote mechanic seem like a way to make up for the mafia conversion balance wise or does it seem more like a town role to you?
Kita asks me about suspects, I say kush/toad/gumshoe, kita does not have kush as a scum suspect despite - (1) the slam response maybe being scummy and (2) kush calling him out for extra information, AND THEN THERE'S NO FOLLOWUP ON THIS FROM KITA OR ANYTHING, HE JUST DON'T CARE I'm looking at some combination of vivax, djo and hopeless at the moment.
I've been running into a lot of town reads myself. At least if the mafia pulls off a conversation, it might be easier to find mafia! XD
austin, do you think toad's "foolishness" read was simply an attempt to throw us off early? Does his no vote mechanic seem like a way to make up for the mafia conversion balance wise or does it seem more like a town role to you?
On April 02 2014 09:47 kitaman27 wrote:
You still think kush is sketchy?
When I went to look at him originally, I found these quotes from persona and golden sun where he was town, which seems to match the same mentality this game.
It lines up with his position of not lynching slam and suggesting that we look at those that do since mafia are likely to go after third party targets. His post length seems to be what I would expect from a town kush as well.
Kita defends kush here, kush likely town because his opinion on survivors is the same as in the past. This isn't....really substantive? Someone's opinion on survivors, ESPECIALLY IF EXPRESSED OVER AND OVER AS TOWN, is probably not the BEST reason to townread them. What about actual PLAY? Does Kita like Kush's vote? Don't know.You still think kush is sketchy?
When I went to look at him originally, I found these quotes from persona and golden sun where he was town, which seems to match the same mentality this game.
It lines up with his position of not lynching slam and suggesting that we look at those that do since mafia are likely to go after third party targets. His post length seems to be what I would expect from a town kush as well.
OKAY NOW I NEED TO CLEAN THIS UP SORRY ABOUT POSTING A BIG BLOB BUT YOU CAN KIND OF FOLLOW MY THOUGHTS AND NOW I/WE NEED TO NARROW DOWN WHAT'S DUMB AND TUNNEL-Y AND WHAT IS SCUMMY
