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Amiko
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Amiko
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On April 05 2014 13:49 Vivax wrote: Amiko, maybe scum has the ability to withhold KP 1 night and have 1 extra the next one. Or they convert on odd nights and 2 kp on even, Toad's role had similar mechanics. This is possible, I feel like the second one makes a little more sense to me (because I think mafia would want to use KP n1). | ||
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kushm4sta
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I'm checking kita. | ||
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Vivax
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kushm4sta
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kushm4sta
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kushm4sta
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kushm4sta
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On April 04 2014 00:16 kitaman27 wrote: The biggest problem that I have with Vivax is his inconsistency between post 1 and 2. In the first post, he goes after Rayn for the easy slam lynch stating that slam should be dealt with at some point in the future, while trying to lynch mafia instead. I agree with that point and think it's generally good policy. Mid way through the day, he suggests that Slam could be a traitor and that he was willing to support a slam lynch, not necessarily because slam was mafia, but because it was a possibility that he was mafia. By the end of the day, Vivax wants to lynch slam to postpone a rayn lynch for another day. Here is what I find scummy. I would expect a townie to follow this path of logic: 1) We should lynch mafia, rather than slam day one 2) Slam needs to be killed at some point to remove doubt, but lets see if I can find a likely mafia instead 3) rayn isn't the best lynch today, but player X is and this is why This is Vivax's path: 1) We should lynch mafia, rather than slam day one 2) Slam needs to be killed at some point to remove doubt 3) rayn isn't the best lynch today, so I guess we have no choice but to lynch slam I don't have a huge issue with Vivax wanting to not lynch rayn, but I do have an issue with the fact that he don't attempt to pursue a player that he thinks is scum. He says that he is working on things one by one, but in the end nothing comes of it. Sure, he questions thinks he finds suspicious and asks for opinions, but there is no follow up or statements attempting to convince others to lynch a certain player, rather than the settle vote at the end, which is what he was criticizing to begin with. If Vivax argues that he was completely stumped on day one, had absolutely no mafia reads, and wanted more time to find a mafia player, I really don't like his nuke preference. He criticizes rayn for going for the easy target and calling it a day, while deciding not to suggest that the nuke be fired at a scum suspect on day two. He essentially settles two cycles in a row without indicating that he actually has a strong mafia read on slam, aside from cult speculation, which is more of a guess at a possibility than anything. Stuff like this doesn't really seem like a mindset that he is thinking about things from a town perspective. Like toad claims to have a vote, kush claims to have two votes, so for kush to steal toad's vote, that would mean both toad and kush are lying/buddies, which doesn't even make sense. His argument with hope today does seem like it makes a hope/vivax pair unlikely, which makes me worried about who else I'm overlooking. I do want to evaluate hope a bit more in depth before deciding between the two/others, but right now I'm leaning mafia. this is his only scumhunting post after d1. long but scummy. it's not good that all his effort is concentrated in one place. also not good that he wants to lynch vivax for reasons that boil down to pretty much "i dont really like his choice of nuke". even though I thought vivax gave an excellent reason to lynch alakaslam. | ||
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kushm4sta
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Xatalos
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kushm4sta (1) - thrawn2112 Not Voting (7) - lots of people Currently kushm4sta is set to be lynched! The lynch will happen in at 21:00 GMT (+00:00). | ||
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Hopeless1der
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Vivax
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On April 05 2014 18:28 Vivax wrote: Come on kush, there must be more than just activity if he's mafia. On April 05 2014 18:37 kushm4sta wrote: he says townie shit d1. he doesn't say townie shit for the rest of the game. This reply gives me townie vibes cause it's surprisingly unsophisticated. Currently assuming that kita is mafia I think kush bussing would stretch out his posts more to talk about lynching his scumbuddy, for the credz and stuff and also cause he's under some pressure. My only fear is that kita comes back town cause of a godfather type of role. Too many of my scumspects asked for him to be checked for my taste. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
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kitaman27
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Sigh... | ||
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kushm4sta
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On April 05 2014 23:41 kitaman27 wrote: Oh I've been checked already? -_- Sigh... dat scumclaim? | ||
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kitaman27
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Nope, dat waste of a check. | ||
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kitaman27
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Toadesstern - Untargetable/No voter raynpelikoneet - Shrink JarJarDrinks - Detective gumshoe - Medic Alakaslam - Survivor Djodref - Inventor Alive kitaman27 - The Doctor (?????) austinmcc - Roleblocker Hopeless1der - Rose Watcher kushm4sta - Double voter/Day Vig Vivax - Jailkeeper Amiko - Nuker thrawn2112 - Vanilla Tehpoofter - Vanilla Based on the shrink, we know that there is likely a role that performs their conversions at night: "Each night you may to chose to protect someone by PMing that person’s name to all the hosts, and that person will be unable to be converted to an alignment different than his current alignment." We can try to use this role list to attempt to identify who does not have a confirmable night action. My first feeling is that it is really strange to have 12 players with roles and 2 vanillas. Either they are lying or likely have a role that evolves like amiko is claiming? There are two main observations I have about the list. 1) In a setup where there is a detective, watcher, medic, jailkeeper, inventor, shrink and my role, it would be pretty crazy to think that they wouldn't have a roleblocker on their team. That either implicates austin, vivax, or the vanillas. austin was town checked on night one, which leaves vivax and the vanillas. 2) The setup is over-saturated with protective roles. Medic, jailkeeper, toads self protect, (possible austin kp roleblock, did you ask if that works?) My gut tells me that mafia have a roleblocker in the form of a jailkeeper. On April 05 2014 22:45 Vivax wrote: My only fear is that kita comes back town cause of a godfather type of role. Too many of my scumspects asked for him to be checked for my taste. This has to be the scummiest post in the game. He doesn't want his number one scum read checked because I might be godfather? He clearly doesn't want his options limited here and would much rather just lynch me without a check. The other thing I'm wondering about is if hopeless's power is a mafia role meant to try to figure out who was the target of the cop checks. If claims started coming out, they would be eventually able to figure things out and plan their shots or busses accordingly. Like I mentioned earlier, I don't think hope and vivax are mafia, but I need to take another look at a few things. | ||
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kushm4sta
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Crossfire99
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