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On April 05 2014 12:54 Tehpoofter wrote:
@austin so how many scum you think there is cause if I was being objective I would say 3 at this point unless they missed a conversion then 2 assuming a 1 scum start. I find a 1-mafia start unlikely.
Would guess 3-4 total. Probably 2 start and a third converted? Another option is a 3 start with the option to convert 1 person or so, I don't think there's some MASSIVE conversion with a 3 scum start.
Also given all the talk of alignment switching, I don't know what to think about conversions exactly. Having anti-conversion mechanics in rayn indicates that conversions are a lasting threat to town, indicating we probably start with like 2 scum and the threat of conversion is constant. I kind of thought there might be multiple alignment-swapping mechanics, given the OP, but it seems difficult to swap people from scum to town --> they just give up the team.
One option is nothing but pseudonyms in scum chat. Seems terrible.
One option is scum having limited conversion or no conversion powers, and things just happening naturally. If amiko's role swap is to be believed OR not believed, conversions could simply be a function of time. If x is alive for y cycles, send new message, convert, etc.
OVERALL THOUGH ALL THAT ASIDE I THINK WE'RE PROBABLY AT 3-4 RIGHT NOW
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BUT ALSO THAT THE EXACT NUMBER IS NOT AS IMPORTANT AS FINDING THEM AND KILLING THEIR FACES
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I'm kinda afraid to have kita checked cause thrawn and poofter both seem eager for that to happen and I don't want him to be a godfather in that case cause then it's gg.
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On April 05 2014 12:59 Amiko wrote:Okay, first thought: Hopeless1der claims that he watches whoever Rose (JarJarDrinks) targets. Show nested quote +On April 05 2014 05:36 JarJarDrinks wrote:
I'm cop. I received a towncheck.
I asked if my check would happen before or after a conversion and was told that was something I wouldn't know so it's possible that vivax converted Austin. JarJarDrinks is has flipped blue so I have no reason to doubt this. Therefore, if hopeless1der is honest, n1 hopeless1der watched kitaman27.Now, hopeless1der has claimed that he saw Vivax visit the target. Therefore, if hopeless1der is honest, n1 he saw Vivax visit kitaman27.However.Show nested quote +On April 05 2014 05:25 Vivax wrote:
You won't die, austin, nor would you have yesterday cause I jailed you and did again. Vivax has claimed that he visited Austin n1 and n2.Therefore, I think there must be scum between Vivax and Hopeless1der. (umm does this make sense? lol) JJD claimed to target ME N1, and kita N2.
On N1, hopeless (if truthful) would have seen Vivax and JJD targeting me. That checks out.
On N2, hopeless would have seen JJD targeting (kita).
At first, hopeless said he saw ME visiting last night. I roleblocked kita, or attempted to, so that checks out.
However, hopeless shortly thereafter said he got a correction and that he saw NOBODY else visiting his target. That would be the case if Vivax roleblocked me, I would not have visited kita.
I don't believe there to be a contradiction. There's a contradiction if you assume Hopeless is lying about host update, 100%. However, if you believe the update, there's no contradiction.
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The take is I jailed austin N1. Austin N2.
Hopeless saw me jailing austin N1 cause JJD checked him, and saw no one visiting kita N2 after saying it was a host mistake that he saw me going to kita.
Now I think it's kinda unfair to say things as if you received them from the host without official confirmation, it's like checking someone, getting a wrong result back and you say to the thread that it's the host's fault without the host chiming in, then it looks fishy and it's the host's fault. On the other hand scum saying something based on host action is also something I don't see as fair play.
Given that hopeless used an argumentation that is based on a host mistake or is phrased like it came from a host I would consider it adequate for the hosts to give confirmation
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Oh. I misread JJD's n1 target then. I need to confirm if he actually did that
I suck this game apparently sorry.
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Btw amiko given that scum knows I'm not lying you get confirmed townie status in my book for using those wrong arguments.
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That's great but I'd rather be town with good arguments ;_;
Where does JJD say he targeted austin n1?
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Hosts should not confirm IMO
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oh I see.
On April 05 2014 05:36 JarJarDrinks wrote:
I'm cop. I received a towncheck.
I asked if my check would happen before or after a conversion and was told that was something I wouldn't know so it's possible that vivax converted Austin.
On April 05 2014 05:38 JarJarDrinks wrote:
should I reveal my check for tonight?
On April 05 2014 05:42 JarJarDrinks wrote:
I checked kita
I was reading filter and saw the third and didn't recognize the first as indicating d1 read. my b.
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I'm typing up a second thought.
But, I don’t want to distract conversation from tehpoofter. I don’t like his last few responses.
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Off work. So you think 3 Austin. I think the number matters because some people don't make sense as mafia unless they started higher IMO
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@amiko what didn't you like?
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Okay thought 2:
Scum used 2 KP used tonight as far as we can tell. If Scum had 2 KP n1, but no kills resulted, where might the KP have gone?
One KP might have been used on me (because gumshoe saved me).
One KP could have been used on Austin (because Vivax jailed him), but in that case Hopeless should have seen the kill.
One KP could have been used on Toad, who was ethereal n1.
It is also possible that scum players were roleblocked and unable to use KP.
Austin was roleblocked n1 according to Vivax. Austin is a roleblocker, we don’t know whether Austin’s roleblock would go through if Austin was targeted with a roleblock. Regardless, N1 Austin says he targeted toad. So, if Austin does have KP, it was either blocked or ineffective (because it targeted toad).
If a roleblocked Austin’s roleblocked actions still occur, he blocked kita n2. So kita may be able to clarify how this works if he knows whether his n2 action occurred.
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I’m gonna talk about tehpoofter next.
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Oh sorry to wrap up the last post
To wrap up the last post-
I don't see Toad or myself as a particularly likely kill n1. But, if Hopeless' claim is real, then Mafia didn't target austin. So, I will take a look at my d1 and Toad's (though I don't remember seeing much there for him besides the scumread on hopeless).
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Amiko, maybe scum has the ability to withhold KP 1 night and have 1 extra the next one.
Or they convert on odd nights and 2 kp on even, Toad's role had similar mechanics.
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Re - tehpoofter:
Day 1 I was mixed about tehpoofter.
Some things he said I didn’t like:
- He suggested it was possible Slam (who claimed 3rd party) was town, which didn’t feel possible to me. (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=21090949］link[/url]) Granted, he didn’t say it was likely (5%) but I felt like, why even bring it up if the percentage is that low.
- Early d1 he seemed to townread kita. He also had a scumread on rayn, or at least disagreed with him on some substantial points.
Discussing Kita: + Show Spoiler +There’s a few more I didn’t copy On March 31 2014 03:44 Tehpoofter wrote:
Rayn I have seen you own as town if you're town do that this game but we really need to hit today because of what kita posted... Kita I like you as town. On March 31 2014 06:35 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2014 06:30 thrawn2112 wrote:
so i'm starting to believe in kita's theory about # of scum on D1 because there really aren't that many scummy people around
eh. i hope austin posts soon I think kita's theory is probably pretty damn accurate if alignment conversions are possible mafia having one would lead to them starting with that many I believe. So thrawn you reading everyone as town? I think you said you believed slam's claim do you think hes likely to be the only 3rd party and if not anyone giving you just an anti-town maybe not mafia vybe?
Discussing Rayn: + Show Spoiler +There’s more than just the ones I put here… On March 31 2014 06:27 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2014 06:25 Hopeless1der wrote:On March 31 2014 06:24 Tehpoofter wrote:
@thrawn yeah I saw after I already sent the previous post.
And wait his little fit there about not caring and saying "you guys deal with rayn" makes you think hes town? I'm not compelled at all. How can he be so discouraged so early in the game we have no flips no known information for all he knows were onto all the scum and going to stomp if hes town. I hate the acting like a child and saying "i give" cause someone calls you mafia making someone town defense. I never said I give up, but I'm not going to "defend" myself from anything when rayn is out for slam's blood and will likely get his way. See thats a bad attitude Imo Rayn is only one person and he might be scum this game. Hes not the town hero he was in titanic this is a new game boys and you shouldn't just sheep rayn. The only way rayn gets what he wants is if you act like its a forgone conclusion. On March 31 2014 06:37 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2014 06:34 Hopeless1der wrote:On March 31 2014 06:32 Tehpoofter wrote:On March 31 2014 06:28 Hopeless1der wrote:On March 31 2014 06:27 Tehpoofter wrote:On March 31 2014 06:25 Hopeless1der wrote:On March 31 2014 06:24 Tehpoofter wrote:
@thrawn yeah I saw after I already sent the previous post.
And wait his little fit there about not caring and saying "you guys deal with rayn" makes you think hes town? I'm not compelled at all. How can he be so discouraged so early in the game we have no flips no known information for all he knows were onto all the scum and going to stomp if hes town. I hate the acting like a child and saying "i give" cause someone calls you mafia making someone town defense. I never said I give up, but I'm not going to "defend" myself from anything when rayn is out for slam's blood and will likely get his way. See thats a bad attitude Imo Rayn is only one person and he might be scum this game. Hes not the town hero he was in titanic this is a new game boys and you shouldn't just sheep rayn. The only way rayn gets what he wants is if you act like its a forgone conclusion. Yeah but maybe one day rayn will learn to tone it down a notch instead of pulling stuff like telling everyone they're bad/shit/stupid for simply disagreeing with him. In the meantime, he insists we can totally scumhunt while we circlejerk around slam's impeding doom. Do you think rayn is doing a good job of scum hunting? not particularly. Glad you agree with me! We should vote him off cause hes not doing a good job of hunting for scum like I feel he does as town and might be pushing an easy lynch in slam irrelevant of his role and not bothering to scum hunt. On March 31 2014 07:10 Tehpoofter wrote:
Gonna snag dinner since the thread is dead..... Super glad rayn wants to instant lynch the survivor claim and do nothing else. Look at all the conversation it generates while scum just says thanks and hangs back. On March 31 2014 18:24 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2014 16:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:austin looks really good. I am surprised i get what he is saying.  tehpoofer actually is probably scum. He tells me to do scumhunting. Surprise surprise i think i have done the most scumhunting in this game hands down. He has talked about nothing than me, he bases his read on me on one game (rofl), noone agrees with him on his read, yet his meta read must be correct. ^^ I could write a bigger case but i don't wanna do that right now. Basically he keeps flip-flopping over same things over and over again, when i tell him why they are wrong he forgets them for a while and then they suddenly just reappear. He is saying maybe two things and nothing else in this game. I agree with whoever said (austin?) that Hopeless is town. While i think his play is completely useless and idiotic he is town. JJD also looks okayish. so kita and tehpoofer are most likely scum. maybe gumshoe. I would love to hear your bigger case rayn. This is what I mean that is different from last game... your heart is either not as into this game or you're a different alignment than last time. The rayn from the game I played was more than happy to bring up a whole case on someone even if it was a massive wall of texts and then scream at the town for not realizing they're scum. This isn't what you're doing this game... its different and its the only meta I know for you. The Way I play mafia is assessing how people play different alignments and roles and compare them between games along with the information in the thread to attempt to make a read. Thus far you are different than last game where you were basically the whole town. IF I have a read you do X as town and then you do Y instead should I draw a different conclusion?
Day 2, tehpoofter lists kita as his second highest scumread.
+ Show Spoiler +On April 01 2014 18:08 Tehpoofter wrote:
Town: Thrawn - He seems to be actually taken a back by the fact that he is only finding town, scum needs mislynches so if hes scum hes playing against his win con.
Austin - I think his case and the way he fought it was townie. He also had the same line of thinking as me that we shouldn't just lynch SLAM and should try to find real scum sadly he didn't find any scum but neither did I
For scum: I want to look at vivax, kita, kush and JJD the most. I don't think they are all four scum but I think there is definitely a scum in there.
Vivax for the reason that he tried to bury rayn and then voted slam... like he buries a town and gets off the wagon good lay low scum play imo.
Kita: He puhsed on rayn and didn't really seem to listen to his responses during his push if you will note the difference between him and me pushing our cases on rayn I was not really sure and uncertain about if he was scum and austin pointed it out on my case I feel like being sure is more scummy than townie cause I'm trying to figure it out and kita in this case would just need a ML also I pointed out earlier my theory on the vote count thing possibly being from him.
Kush: He is here because my town read thrawn wants to know whats up with you.
JJD: He says that kita scum slipped calling me and him town maybe he did and kita is scum but it counts against JJD here because I'm in no way confirmed so how does he know I'm town? I mean maybe he read me as town but I didn't see that in his read... I'm going to read his filter after this and see if I missed him calling me town before that but I don't recall it.
I ranked my scum and town in order of strongest to weakest.
I don’t feel he really asked kita questions to follow up on those reads. But, it’s also unusual because toward the end of the day he seems to suggest that kita’s actions that day didn’t seem that scummy. Then the next morning he is back on with kita as scum.
[spoiler]
On April 03 2014 20:14 Tehpoofter wrote:
Anyways I'm out for the night. I will get up early to be around pre deadline. I'm okay with any of those on my scum list for lynches, preference to vivax.
Also @ austin the post you quoted with 4 I still am hardest on vivax, kush is clear I think cause his role with the extra vote and day shot would be insane op for Mafia, Kita I will get up and read on d2 actions and see if he makes the pile but just the brief thread read through nothign stood out. JJD has a nuke and I like what he was doing pressuring hopeless with the fake claim thing it seemed like a really brazen thing to do and not something you'd really want to do as mafia and I think hopeless acted poorly on it.
I know I haven't been around but I feel confident on this vivax lynch read my case, maybe kush will come out with a big case like he said in one of his posts but I don't like his posting patterns.
night
On April 04 2014 04:41 Tehpoofter wrote:
I'm about to head to work but wanted to post from my iPad that I agree with Austin's point and toad shouldn't get a bullet but a check or other things.
I also am concerned if a Kita hopeless team. Kita has two days now put cases on someone I started to pressure at the start of the day towards the end and vivax giving me the same feeling as rayn yesterday. Off to work I might be switching to Kita/hopeless.
On April 04 2014 05:41 Tehpoofter wrote:
bah this role claim stuff would happen while I'm commuting and starting work....
@DJO why do you think djo's role is maf sided?
##unvote
##vote kitaman
I'm not convinced any of the roles have to be blue even toads but if town lynches a third straight blue we're pretty much SoL.
To give tehpoofter credit, I feel like his reaction to this is in line with what he is saying about the players in the game.
+ Show Spoiler +On April 04 2014 07:29 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2014 07:19 kushm4sta wrote:
austinmcc - hella town
kitaman27 - hella town
Hopeless1der - probably town
thrawn2112 - possible scum
JarJarDrinks -possible scum
Vivax - probably town
Djodref - possible scum
Amiko - possible scum
Tehpoofter - possible scum
How is kita hella town to you? Also why is JJD the possible scum out of the claimed blue roles?
More recent posts-
On April 05 2014 12:54 Tehpoofter wrote:
I have something to say more on Amiko cause he randomly got his role changed (sounds cool that it happened but why? Like what brought on the change just a random townie day 2 gets a nuke out of no where? Was town thought to be in a bad spot at this point?)
I didn’t like this post because when I wiki’d my character name I learned that he interacted with a bomb to blowing up cybermen. I guess in retrospect you haven’t really paid much attention to the lore (which is maybe okay, I don’t know if it necessarily helps) so I won’t hold this against you all that much.
On April 05 2014 12:56 Tehpoofter wrote:
Kita is mafia. JJD had a role that could do something to others kita as mafia would know that its not a medic/shrink/inventor since JJD had the nuke yesterday. Austin lived through the night so unlikely to be vigi my next thought would be cop. JJD was going saying adamantly against kita if I recall correctly. So that was my first thought that Kita didn't want a cop claim with a red on him thus
1- JJD only claimed cop after the night action deadlines were in. So, scum had already decided who to kill before the cop claim came out.
2- Scum used 2 KP last night. If tehpoofter thinks scum killed JJD for being suspicious of kita, why would they also killed Djodref, who seemed to really trust kita (look through his filter, I think it’s basically all pro-kita)?
Besides the above
@tehpoofter: If you think kita is scum, who do you think is his most likely partner?
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