Doctor Who Mafia 2 - Page 114

A treatise on RVS, and what kita is doing.

Kita has too much evidence

Questioning Kita's loyalties, and why he voted rayn. Keep in mind kush doublevoted rayn. It's okay to question someone else's motives for voting your target, that's super sexy. But kush never does this until AFTER the lynch.


Hi I am 12 and how does kita play scum?

AFTER KUSH POSTS THOSE QUESTIONS TO KITA, KITA RESPONDS --->This post leads kush to find Kita townie



kita slipped and was scummy for it.

But actually, if kita were scum, HE WOULDN'T HAVE SLIPPED AND BEEN SCUMMY.


THIS IS A TERRIBLE TERRIBLE TERRIBLE POINT AND I NEED TO REMEMBER IT FOR CONCISE POSTING. LOOK AT KUSH'S COMMENT HERE. "Kita slipped and gave out information that made him look like he was scum with info on scum numbers. Kita has extra information (that town does not." ---> "Kita is not scummy for this, because scumKita would not slip and give out extra information."

The conclusion is HORRIBLY HORRIBLY wrong. "Scum are careful and don't do scummy things. Therefore, people doing scummy things are probably town."

Seriously. I'm not exaggerating. If I'm twisting those words, it's BARELY. Kita revealed info town shouldn't have, but he's townie for that because scum would be careful and not reveal this information. ALSO ALSO, small contrast with kush asking how kita plays scum....MAYBE KITA IS THE WORST SCUM PLAYER ON EARTH OR ALWAYS SLIPS OR WHATEVER, KUSH HAS BASICALLY NO IDEA HOW CAREFUL KITA IS AS SCUM BUT WILL TOWNREAD KITA FOR DOING SOMETHING SCUMMY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and another ! for good measure

Now he's called Kita town. Kita is under pressure D2. Look at kush's kita-talk.


Okeedoke, fine. Explained reason to find kita townie. Townies do dumb and complicated stuff, scum generally don't want to look dumb/strange.

Kita is open about having doubts that rayn is scum. But pushed his lynch, and together Kita and Kush are 60% of the non-rayn votes on Kush.

IF KUSH IS TOWN, I WOULD EXPECT HIM TO GO "WELL GEE GOLLY, KITA DOUBTED RAYN WAS SCUM, BUT WHO CARES BECAUSE RAYN WAS REALLY SCUMMY, I SHOULD KNOW, I PUT TWO VOTES ON HIM MYSELF, AND IT'S OKAY TO HAVE DOUBTS BUT LYNCH SCUMMY BROS.

Now kush is really going deep TO EXPLAIN SOMEONE ELSE'S ACTIONS AND THOUGHT PROCESSES.

THIS IS A GUY WHOSE SCUM GAME HE DOESN'T KNOW. HE HASN'T CLAIMED ANY MEGA KITA KNOWLEDGE. HE HASN'T EXPLAINED WHAT OTHER PLAYERS WERE THINKING AT ANY GIVEN TIME. HE DOESN'T KNOW KITA WELL, BUT WANTS JJD TO "THINK OF KITA AS A PERSON"

THIS MAKES NO SENSE AT ALL

HE DOESN'T KNOW KITA'S SCUM PLAY. HE ASSUMES THAT KITA'S SCUM PLAY ISN'T FLASHY. HE ASSUMES KITA IS LESS CONFRONTATIONAL. BUT JUST EARLIER, INSTEAD OF MAKING ASSUMPTIONS, HE WAS ASKING HOW KITA PLAYS SCUM.

DOES NOT COMPUTE. DOES NOT COMPUTER. #ANGRYSQUAWK.

SERIOUSLY THOUGH KUSH IS BENDING OVER BACKWARDS TO EXPLAIN WHAT KITA WAS DOING AND HOW KITA THINKS AND THAT IS REALLY ODD.

NO JJD. YOU UNDERESTIMATE THE FLUIDITY OF KITA'S READS. KUSH HAS A DEGREE IN KITANOMICS. A PHD IN ANCIENT ARCHAKITAEOLOGY. KUSH HAS TRACKED KITA THROUGH THE BUSH USING NOTHING BUT BROKEN BRANCHES AND TRACES OF PARTICULAR BERRIES LEFT IN KITA'S FECES. KUSH KNOWS EXACTLY WHAT KITA WAS THINKING AND HOW HE PLAYS AND THIS REMAINS REALLY FUNKY.

Kitaman is HELLA TOWN during N3

Now kita might have been converted. NOT starting scum. Strong D1, weaker other days.

(Note: I didn't post the full blurb in this game, but I swear I've posted it in 1-2 others. Probably Shadow. I made some minor mention here about how Kita was looking town D1, but I needed to wait, and last time I "caught" him I got NKed N1 and it was too late to push him as a sure thing. But scumKita, when I've seen him play scum, looks REALLY townie for most of D1, then just coasts. He stops pushing things, doing work, giving large reads, making cases, etc. He just builds up that cred and glides. That is EXACTLY what I remember of Kita's scum play and EXACTLY what has happened this game and EXACTLY what kush is saying)

READ THIS READ THIS READ THIS

(1) Rayn had a power role related to conversion
(2) Kita mentioned conversions D1 (too much info, remember?)
(3) Kita probably has a role relating to conversions
(4) _____________________

KITA MENTIONED CONVERSIONS. TOWN HAD A SHRINK WHO IS DEAD. DOES KUSH THINK TOWN HAD TWO SHRINKS? THAT'S KIND OF A LOT. DOES KUSH THINK KITA CAN UNCONVERT SOMEONE? THAT'S A GAME-BREAKING POWER. DOES KUSH THINK KITA CAN DI THE CONVERTING? HE NEVER SAYS.

FOR ALL KUSH'S THOUGHTS ON KITA AND HIS PLAY AND HIS LONG, FLOWING HAIR, AND FOR ALL HIS D1 READS "AND", KUSH MAKES A SERIOUS OBSERVATION ABOUT KITA AND 100000% DECLINES TO FOLLOW THROUGH WITH IT. KITA KNOWS TOO MUCH ABOUT CONVERSIONS, RAYN FLIPPED TOWN WITH A ROLE DEALING WITH CONVERSIONS, KITA LIKELY HAS A ROLE THAT CONCERNS CONVERSIONS, AND ______________????? IS KITA TOWN/SCUM....WHAT!?

Gets the check back. Kita is town THE END. No questions asked. No suspicion of Godfatherness. Nothing.

Kita will look into Kush's mafia play. Kush's defense of slam seems POSSIBLE scummy.

Kush doesn't respond, again this is kita talking about low numbers and conversions.

Kita asks me about suspects, I say kush/toad/gumshoe, kita does not have kush as a scum suspect despite - (1) the slam response maybe being scummy and (2) kush calling him out for extra information, AND THEN THERE'S NO FOLLOWUP ON THIS FROM KITA OR ANYTHING, HE JUST DON'T CARE

Kita defends kush here, kush likely town because his opinion on survivors is the same as in the past. This isn't....really substantive? Someone's opinion on survivors, ESPECIALLY IF EXPRESSED OVER AND OVER AS TOWN, is probably not the BEST reason to townread them. What about actual PLAY? Does Kita like Kush's vote? Don't know.

As austin mentioned, kush is too quick to come to the conclusion that slam can only be survivor. And this post is a perfect example of the kush scum meta I mentioned.

So Austin pointed out some weirdness with the interactions between kush and kita but there is more weirdness I just found that austin didn't touch on.



Notice how formal kush is being when talking to kita? Now go look at kush's filter, he pretty much acts like an ass most of the time. When he questions other people is more aggresive and... needlessly antagonistic than he is with kita.

and yeah this is just really awkward and bad.

OK. So here is an event that bought kush a lot of town cred.



The line "eh we arne't wasting this day talking about gumshoe" seems... a bit off considering kush is supposed to be shooting gumshoe becuase gumshoe claimed kush's flavor name. Like if player x says he's flavor z, and player y is actually flavor z, and player y decides that player x's claim is worth insta-shooting him for... I'd expect player y to be much more... enthusiastic about the kill? This is hard to describe, basically I'm saying that if kush was shooting gumshoe for the reasons he is supposed to be shooting gumshoe, he would have had a completely different attitude about it than "eh we arne't wasting this day talking about gumshoe."

So I do not know why kush decided to check kita. It doesn't make sense considering kush's earlier kita super town read. He includes the bit about kita being a possible conversion... and that small bit is enough to convince kush that he should use his OP instant cop check on a player he's been defending all game, instead of one of his scum suspects? So kush's use of this scumometer does not make sense.

And as Austin said.. kush came in and announced the green result.... and nothing else. No "oh I was right all along you dumbasses" or "hmm that's interesting this means that X is probably mafia." I guarantee that if a I had the scumometer, checked kita, and a town result then I would definietly start drawing conclusions about other players alignments.