EPTEven if I disagree with some of thing things he is saying, he is taking more stances and following through with them. hope on the other hand is kinda just there responding when he is called upon.
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Even if I disagree with some of thing things he is saying, he is taking more stances and following through with them. hope on the other hand is kinda just there responding when he is called upon. | ||
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So here is what I was doing at the start of this game. I was actually trying to accomplish something with my play. I was reproducing my behavior to a tee from the recent shadow mini mafia game. + Show Spoiler + On January 21 2014 09:31 kitaman27 wrote: ##Vote Sandroba On January 21 2014 11:28 kitaman27 wrote: I'm not voting him as a joke. I think he is a great vote. We should lynch him today. On January 21 2014 10:46 kitaman27 wrote: Wanna vote sandroba with me? He may or may not be scummy. On January 21 2014 10:34 kitaman27 wrote: Do you think I'm trying to paint sandroba in a bad light using my "scummy thought process" like you mentioned or do you think that it was a random vote with little thought? I random voted moments into the game, I refused to provide an explanation when asked, I requested that someone vote with me without details, I asked a similar question when prompted, and I moved off the random vote shortly after. The goal here was to prompt someone to question my behavior and see if they attempt to make the connection or if they simply pass off my play as scummy. rayn mentioned that he observed shadow and toad and austin played in it, so even if they don't remember the random vote, it would likely be the first place to look as it was my most recent town game. It's important to note that I'm not trying to say that me emulating my shadow mafia play makes me town. I'm saying that the connection is there for anyone interested in finding it. On March 30 2014 14:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: Picture 2: Here is how kitaman does it. He makes an unclear argument and when people question him about it he does not answer but instead makes another unclear argument about the question. Repeat until noone can remember what was the original point and what the fuck we are even arguing about. Then he might posts some conclusions, a day or so later I've seen a couple of mafia players do this and it works really well because most of the players tire out and just stop arguing because it's so annoying and in the end you can't make anything out of it anyways because it takes about 5 hours to get an answer to a simple question. I was pretty happy that rayn had suggested that was was going to do some research and pushed him in the right direction several times as you can see below. + Show Spoiler + On March 30 2014 15:54 kitaman27 wrote: As for your "web of disruption" post, it has a catchy name, but I'll respond once you come to an actual conclusion. On March 30 2014 16:23 kitaman27 wrote: Well I'm going to bed now. When I wake up, can you provide a follow up to the "web of disruption" post? On March 31 2014 01:06 kitaman27 wrote: rayn, have you finished your research yet? On multiple occasions, rayn confirms that he will do the work to back up his initial suspicions. + Show Spoiler + On March 30 2014 14:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: Now i gotta figure out if kita does this only as mafia or does he do this as town too (or maybe only as town?) On March 30 2014 16:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yes. I'll watch the Formula 1 race that starts in ~30min and i'll do my research after that. On March 31 2014 01:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: not gonna do it. 90% i will find nothing useful and i don't care about this game enough to test if the 10% gives me something. Yet when push comes to shove, he decides not to put the effort in. He spends the time into coming up with his thesis that I'm creating a "web of disruption", yet has no interest in backing it up. If he is going to call me scummy, when does he have no interest in catching me? On March 30 2014 17:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yeah i don't really carew about this game because i don't fee llike agruing with stupidity. I might post something at some point, probably to tell who is scum, but don't expect me to explain anything. I don't really feel like this game is gonna be fun so idontjustcare. On March 31 2014 01:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: The point was at that time i cared. After Toad's post i didn't. On March 31 2014 16:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: so kita and tehpoofer are most likely scum. maybe gumshoe. Now there are three possible explanations: 1) He dropped the ball as town, attacking me without putting in the effort 2) He did the research as mafia, didn't like what he found, and dropped the case to avoid calling me town 3) He is a lazy scum player who didn't want to go after me at a point where several players are calling me town If rayn thought that I was looking decently townie otherwise, then maybe I'd consider number one. The biggest issue that I have right now is that as far as I can tell, I am rayn's number one scum suspect. He is pushing slam for being anti-town and shows that he may have reconsidered his read on tehpoofer, yet not a word about myself. On March 30 2014 14:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: Picture 1: Here is how townies do the "make other people think and see if you can catch lazy people because they are more likely to be mafia and draw retarded conclusions" thingy (at least how i do it). On March 30 2014 15:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: In case it's unclear. It's like normally people give you a puzzle to solve and slowly give you pieces to the puzzle along the way. Then they assume townies complete the puzzle and mafia tries to force the pieces in wrong order. rayn describes his play best. I don't think you can argue that he isn't being lazy here. rayn was given the pieces of the puzzle to solve and he chose not to because he "doesn't care". On March 30 2014 15:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: Not because i necessarily trust your read but because i trust Foolishness' read. *sigh* On March 30 2014 15:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: So if you are town we have a scumread on Hopeless from confirmed town good player Foolishness. On March 30 2014 16:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: I trust Foolishness the most atm. ##unvote ##vote Hopeless1der This line of thought is pretty terrible. He explains his willingness to vote for hopelessness over a minor observation about hope a few hours into the game. Not only does he not consider that foolishness could be wrong, he is using the justification for the vote because he respects foolishness as a player, not because he thinks its a valid argument. He even goes as far as dropping his suspicion of myself due to my interaction with hope. rayn states that he has done the most scum hunting in the game hands down, he suggests that I am his number one scum read, and he hasn't showed any attempt to figure out my alignment. As he mentioned earlier, he is trying to force the pieces in the wrong order. The one thing holding me up is 1) His mass claim policy is consistent with his previous behavior as town 2) Slam is one of the most anti-town players in recent memory Right now I'd probably be leaning towards a rayn lynch and hopefully having a vig take care of slam so he is removed as a discussion topic. I would like to look at a few more individuals before I finalize my vote. | ||
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On March 31 2014 23:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: For kitaman's caliber of player that case is absolutely terrible. He focuses on totally unimportant things and refuses to even consider my explanations from town perspective. He hasn't focused on anything but those unimportant things in this game. So what is your explanation from a town perspective? The single largest post you've made this game suggests that I was creating a web of disruption without making a statement in regards to my alignment. You stated twice that you would put in the work to come to a conclusion about your observation. I asked three times for you to do the research. You explained that you weren't going to because you don't care. You post that I'm you're number one scum read, yet you still don't make any attempt to go after me. I then create a case against you and suddenly you want to change your vote? You yourself said that when a town player creates a line of reasoning they expect a player to follow, a town player will try to figure something out and a mafia player will be lazy and create conclusions that are convenient to them, without a logical explanation. | ||
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On March 31 2014 23:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: He has voted for thrawn -> apparently that dodn't go anywhere. Correct, my read on thrawn shifted to town and I saw no reason to follow up. I states as much. On March 31 2014 23:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: He has considered Hopeless scum -> never gave any conclusions but apparently now Hopeless is not scum any more because he wants to lynch the dude who agreed with him on Hopeless. Are you putting words in my mouth now? For someone who is promising that I a scum, you seem to be making up reasons. I haven't mentioned hopeless at all recently. He is actually one of the players I'm looking at right now. On March 31 2014 23:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: He wanted Slam to claim and never commented on anything people said on Slam. Have you read my posts? I called him one of the most anti-tonw players in recent memory and requested a vig shot on slam. | ||
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On March 31 2014 23:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am not elaborating further. kitaman is mafia. I have explained why i did what i did he does not refer to my reasoning but the actions instead. I have already explained them. I promise you all he is mafia. Just like you promised to do your research last night? LOL | ||
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On March 31 2014 23:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: Anyone who has any brain left in this game this part by kitaman's post should be considered a scumclaim. Read it please. "I wouldn't lynch this guy but he thinks i am mafia" Read it again. I'm rayn's one and only scum suspect currently yet he made no attempt to go after me. It isn't about you being suspicious of ME, it's about you ignoring your only read. You say that you have been doing the most scum hunting hands down, but point to a single spot in your filter where you attempt to figure out my alignment. Seven pages of filter talking about slam doesn't mean you have done anything. | ||
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On March 31 2014 23:47 Hopeless1der wrote: kita, rayn wants to 1v1 you. do you accept? Yep, assuming I don't come to the conclusion that you're not pushing a town vs town. rayn is guaranteeing and promising that I am mafia after a 10 sec response to my post. I am presenting a case why he is likely mafia after objectively attempting to lead him down a path to show he is town, reading through his past games for things like mass claim policy and mentioning my reservations showing that I am not 100%, and reading through other players filters to make sure he is the best lynch before deciding. Who do you guys trust more? | ||
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On March 31 2014 23:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay lynch me. ##unvote vote raynpelikoneet then you can lynch scum. also you will facepalm when you see my role. If you're going to suggest that you have an incredibly powerful town role to avoid the lynch, then you better attempt to show what you can do for town. If you get lynched, you're dead. If you survive, mafia knows you have a strong blue role. So will you be role claiming? | ||
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On March 31 2014 23:49 JarJarDrinks wrote: FWIW I don't like kita either. I don't understand what he's saying about how he was trying to reproduce his meta from a previous game. It really makes very little sense as town. What doesn't make sense to you? Is there anything that I can explain differently? Essentially, I went into the game attempting to behave exactly the same as my most recent town game. I'm not saying this makes me town, I'm saying that the connection is there for anyone trying to look. The top quote is shadow mini and the bottom quote is this game. + Show Spoiler + On January 21 2014 09:31 kitaman27 wrote: ##Vote Sandroba On March 30 2014 06:16 kitaman27 wrote: Hello! ##Vote: raynpelikoneet + Show Spoiler + On January 21 2014 10:46 kitaman27 wrote: Wanna vote sandroba with me? He may or may not be scummy. On March 30 2014 06:36 kitaman27 wrote: Not providing an explanation for my vote, though someone should totally join me. + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + On January 21 2014 10:34 kitaman27 wrote: Do you think I'm trying to paint sandroba in a bad light using my "scummy thought process"? On March 30 2014 11:00 kitaman27 wrote: do you think that my vote had malicious intentions? + Show Spoiler + On January 21 2014 23:50 kitaman27 wrote: Also, gotta make the rounds. ##Unvote ##Foolishness On March 30 2014 07:40 kitaman27 wrote: ##Unovte ##Vote thrawn2112 rayn finds my random vote behavior weird, but needs to see what I do as each alignment and mentions that he would look into it. I ask him multiple times to look into it. As town, I would suspect that he would look at my most recent game, notice my random vote behavior and conclude that it either matches my town meta or that I'm mafia trying to force my town meta or to look an not find a connection. As mafia, I would expect him to not bother looking and call me mafia anyways. | ||
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On April 01 2014 00:03 Amiko wrote: I'd like to ask rayn questions and go back and forth but I am out for a few hours, so in summary I currently think rayn justified his vote on hopeless1ider based on a non-existent case by kitaman27. (he also justified it based on foolishness' read but I can't use that for anything) I actually remember wondering to myself what he was referring to at the time, but didn't make much of it. Town points for Amiko for showing that he is actually trying to figure things out (and not just because it's about rayn, rather than me). | ||
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On April 01 2014 00:12 JarJarDrinks wrote: OK that post doesn't really answer me. What I'm looking for is what were you hoping to accomplish by reproducing you behavior? How was it supposed to be a trap? It was more a town trap. I would have proof that a player is looking at my past games in order to draw a conclusion, showing that they were attempting to figure things out, especially since several players here were familiar with the game. I didn't anticipate that rayn would actually pick up on the behavior and promise to look back without actually doing so, but once he did I came to the conclusions that his behavior was more likely mafia for the reasons I explained. On April 01 2014 00:08 JarJarDrinks wrote: I think the only part of that that is true is that you purposefully emulated ur meta from a previous game. And I think it's cause ur scum and you did it to appear town. Thats why you were hinting for people to go read ur meta. Then you got pissed off that people were calling you scum when you made all that effort to look like you did in that game. So you retconned your "trap". I suppose I don't have anything to say about that one. It's not what I was doing, but like I mentioned a few posts earlier, if rayn came to that conclusion it would have shown that they were filter diving still and likely town. | ||
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On April 01 2014 00:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: This is going to be my last post. Maybe i'll rub some salt into your wounds and come back and claim 5min before the deadline, just to tell how dumb you are.  Yep, that's a perfect way to show you are town, refuse to post. | ||
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On April 01 2014 00:19 Djodref wrote: So, do you want to lynch rayn or not ? You didn't vote him yet, who are you looking at at the moment then ? Currently yes. Looking at hope, vivax, and yourself mainly at the moment. Also, looking at rayn's behavior in games that he is lynched. I remember him going off on marv for a 1:1 trade in vengeful mafia and I know he afk'd as mafia in a game I subbed into a while back, but I want to take a better look. | ||
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On April 01 2014 00:24 JarJarDrinks wrote: I just can't imagine this @ all coming from a town mindset. The only reason I can imagine someone specifically going out of their way to make their posts reproduce a previous town game is if they're scum. The "town trap" reasoning is pretty flimsy. Well I myself said that reproducing my town play is not something that I couldn't do as mafia. You just have to decide what my intentions are. | ||
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On March 31 2014 12:26 austinmcc wrote: kita did you grow up on the peninsula or are you just finding appropriate pictures? The Boeshane is a place I find dear, but I will not be revealing my origins at this time. On March 31 2014 12:26 austinmcc wrote: Also, you cannot have the Cerulean Rectangular Prism, but you mentioned tehpoofter's questions earlier and I'd be interested in your current thoughts about his filter. But I'm so hungry  I felt tehpoofter's intial vote forced and questions empty, but he has picked a topic of interest and pushed it so I haven't considered him much for a day one lynch. Probably in my blind spot at the moment as I'm not very familiar with him. | ||
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