EPTOn February 17 2014 09:16 Valenius wrote:
Is that from experience, or a (logical) guess?
Is that from experience, or a (logical) guess?
Up to this point, Valenius has done nothing but post random, uninteresting stuff and talk about game setup. Talking about game setup is an easy way for scum to look active without providing any content.
And then I come across this beauty by OnceKing expressing exactly what I did above:
On February 17 2014 09:26 OnceKing wrote:
can we please focus more on scumhunting and less on setup...
Valenius what are your reads? More specifically I'd like to know what you think of Cavalinho and Lord Tolkien but other reads are welcome.
can we please focus more on scumhunting and less on setup...
Valenius what are your reads? More specifically I'd like to know what you think of Cavalinho and Lord Tolkien but other reads are welcome.
I kinda like theDragoon's posts in the middle of page 7 and I am willing to remove him from my lynch list for today. While I don't agree w/ him on the conclusion regarding Amiko, I am 100% in agreement with the conclusion and case that he laid out with regards to Cavalinho being town
If I have to see Tolkien post again about how he can/cannot be blue, I'm gonna pull my eyes out. STOP DOING THIS. It's hurtful to town if you're actually town!!!!
On February 17 2014 12:28 Lord Tolkien wrote:
I meant that if I were a blue. There's no reason for a cop or somesuch to be forward/active in Day 1, because it draws attention to themselves for a night kill from mafia. The only blue role (if I am a blue) that leads you to think I would be is a Veteran because I can soak a night shot.
Assuming I'm not vanilla town or mafia, which are the other logical possibilities. I'm willing to bet the same thing generally with OnceKing, and probably Caval as well. Green, veteran, or mafia are the likely choices.
I meant that if I were a blue. There's no reason for a cop or somesuch to be forward/active in Day 1, because it draws attention to themselves for a night kill from mafia. The only blue role (if I am a blue) that leads you to think I would be is a Veteran because I can soak a night shot.
Assuming I'm not vanilla town or mafia, which are the other logical possibilities. I'm willing to bet the same thing generally with OnceKing, and probably Caval as well. Green, veteran, or mafia are the likely choices.
This is an excellent analysis post from Amiko and totally makes sense from his perspective. To answer his question regarding my lack of follow up, I don't know that OnceKing responded, but I really didn't care too much. I figured I should null read everyone and just assume that both mafia/town would have gotten some guidance from their coach if their post sounds too good:
On February 17 2014 12:46 Amiko wrote:
Some thoughts:
Cavalinho: Let's start here. As I said earlier, I think his suggestion that he wanted to vote for me but didn't act on it is scummy. What makes it worse is this post, where he does something similar:
Again, Cavalinho says he had a thought or analysis, but didn't act on it. He doesn't say what points he agreed or disagreed with, and is attempting to align himself with another player without offering anything.
I read players that bandwagon without providing reasons as more likely to be mafia than noncontributing players. If Beneather or n1k0 provide a post with nothing more than a vote, I would raise the same criticism about them. Idle players are good when we lack information, but when someone acts scummy and continues to act scummy they take a higher priority.
But, it gets worse for Cavalinho.
First he said he wanted to vote for me before the first vote.
Then, he said he was probably on the right track.
Then he said he considered Lord Tolkein, but decided he should still go after me.
Then, you get this:
If Cavalinho wanted more reads, this was the absolute wrong way to end the post. He should be pressuring the people he wants reads from.
I see this post as trying to appear unsure - I think it's clear that my number one suspicion was on him, so when I flip town it'll look bad for him, so this is an opportunity to start looking for someone he can target on day 2. This is hedging his bets and it isn't doing anything for town.
IAmRobik: I have a slight scum read on him because of the ambiguity of his post.
It doesn't say he agrees or disagrees. And, he doesn't follow up on his question at all. I think he should explain his posts and provide some analysis or at least weigh in on one side or the other for my post..
LordTolkein:
This post concerned me
If you are town, it should be super relevant whether I am mafia. I've given some explanation of my playstyle and I'm the focus of day 1. If you are town, you should be wondering about my side because it may be the only information you get going into day 2. If you are town, why are you willing to enter the next day with as little information as you have?
This is at worst a scumslip, and at best it's the wrong attitude to have.
I don't want to base too much off this comment, but it made him lean scum for me.
OnceKing: I discussed OnceKing somewhat earlier. In summary, although he is voting for me and I am town, I think he's at least directed town toward some useful discussion and provided reasoning. More importantly, he's followed that up by pressuring for thoughts of other players.
I don't like that he is leading a lynch on me, but and I think he has selectively misinterpreted my posts twice. But as I said before I think this is town-favored play because it has helped conversation..
theDragoon & Valenius: I'm not sure. They have contributed a little but I don't have a read yet. I would like to ask both, if you were to pick someone other than me to lynch, who would you pick and why? If I am lynched and flip green, what will your thoughts be on Cavalinho &
Beneather, [b]n1ko[b/]: Nothing to read yet. I would also like to know what they think of Cavalinho since I fingered him in response. I'd also like to know whether they can commit to being more active in the coming days because right now we have no information to use.
Regardless of whether you agree with me, I think you should at least be dissatisfied with the contributions you have gotten from most of town today. I hope you do not vote me, I will certainly keep on contributing while I am alive. Hopefully I can persuade you to change your minds to avoid a mislynch.
Some thoughts:
Cavalinho: Let's start here. As I said earlier, I think his suggestion that he wanted to vote for me but didn't act on it is scummy. What makes it worse is this post, where he does something similar:
Again, Cavalinho says he had a thought or analysis, but didn't act on it. He doesn't say what points he agreed or disagreed with, and is attempting to align himself with another player without offering anything.
I read players that bandwagon without providing reasons as more likely to be mafia than noncontributing players. If Beneather or n1k0 provide a post with nothing more than a vote, I would raise the same criticism about them. Idle players are good when we lack information, but when someone acts scummy and continues to act scummy they take a higher priority.
But, it gets worse for Cavalinho.
First he said he wanted to vote for me before the first vote.
Then, he said he was probably on the right track.
Then he said he considered Lord Tolkein, but decided he should still go after me.
Then, you get this:
If Cavalinho wanted more reads, this was the absolute wrong way to end the post. He should be pressuring the people he wants reads from.
I see this post as trying to appear unsure - I think it's clear that my number one suspicion was on him, so when I flip town it'll look bad for him, so this is an opportunity to start looking for someone he can target on day 2. This is hedging his bets and it isn't doing anything for town.
IAmRobik: I have a slight scum read on him because of the ambiguity of his post.
It doesn't say he agrees or disagrees. And, he doesn't follow up on his question at all. I think he should explain his posts and provide some analysis or at least weigh in on one side or the other for my post..
LordTolkein:
This post concerned me
If you are town, it should be super relevant whether I am mafia. I've given some explanation of my playstyle and I'm the focus of day 1. If you are town, you should be wondering about my side because it may be the only information you get going into day 2. If you are town, why are you willing to enter the next day with as little information as you have?
This is at worst a scumslip, and at best it's the wrong attitude to have.
I don't want to base too much off this comment, but it made him lean scum for me.
OnceKing: I discussed OnceKing somewhat earlier. In summary, although he is voting for me and I am town, I think he's at least directed town toward some useful discussion and provided reasoning. More importantly, he's followed that up by pressuring for thoughts of other players.
I don't like that he is leading a lynch on me, but and I think he has selectively misinterpreted my posts twice. But as I said before I think this is town-favored play because it has helped conversation..
theDragoon & Valenius: I'm not sure. They have contributed a little but I don't have a read yet. I would like to ask both, if you were to pick someone other than me to lynch, who would you pick and why? If I am lynched and flip green, what will your thoughts be on Cavalinho &
Beneather, [b]n1ko[b/]: Nothing to read yet. I would also like to know what they think of Cavalinho since I fingered him in response. I'd also like to know whether they can commit to being more active in the coming days because right now we have no information to use.
Regardless of whether you agree with me, I think you should at least be dissatisfied with the contributions you have gotten from most of town today. I hope you do not vote me, I will certainly keep on contributing while I am alive. Hopefully I can persuade you to change your minds to avoid a mislynch.
I'm heading to bed now, UK Time (03:00), see you all in a bit!
