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Amiko's reasoning isn't solid. Where is this coming from? Everything he says is based on ignoring the things he doesn't want to acknowledge and pushing stuff that is a direct contradiction from what he doesn't want to believe.
I agree with OnceKing's ideas for voting Amiko, so that's scummy. N1k0 does the exact same thing without sticking his neck out and with no real analysis, and that's not scummy. Okay.
I stand by the fact that N1k0 is our best lynch target right now. He has contributed nothing and contradicts his own reasoning for pushing a lynch. Amiko, at the very least, tries. What he's saying is stupid and wrong, but he's trying.
Also, for the record, I was suspicious of IAmRobik before I voiced my opinions of Amiko's early game. This is the exact opposite of trying to deflect, as you mentioned. Quite frankly, I think all of the people involved in the majority of this discussion right now are town, and we should be focusing on the people that don't include much at the moment.
Unfortunately, this is probably the last post I'm going to be able to make before heading to the gym. I expect to get lynched by the time I get back, and if I am, I'm going to be very fucking upset.
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On February 18 2014 08:01 Cavalinho wrote:
Except I'm actively pressuring you you stupid asshole.
In case you haven't noticed, I'm actually trying very hard to focus on other things. But you ignore the shit that I've said before in regards to what OnceKing said. You can go ahead and look for it, because I'm not wasting my time explaining anything to you anymore. You are literally turning this into "you or me," and if we're both town, then everyone else is just sitting and watching while you try to reason something out of nothing.
I see absolutely no reason to let you live. You deliberately misread everything and your logic makes no sense. You're either shit town or mafia trying to save yourself.
But it's not like it actually matters what I'm saying here. I could say "smelly dick poop butt" and you would still think I'm mafia.
Two things: one, most of your posts have mostly been expressing frustration that Amiko's focusing on you. You've had "productive posts", but they're all focused on defending yourself and trying thus far to condemn Amiko.
Even when I point at both Lord Tolkein and IAmRobik
First, there was no pointing at me previously,
The only reference to me previously was:
His logic is unsound and it makes no sense whatsoever. What's actually kind of funny was that I was rethinking my stance after what you [, Lord Tolkien] posted earlier, but he keeps trying to push back on me which, in turn, makes me go after him.
After my first two posts on Amiko and a side-tracked conversation with Valernius about possible roles.
And the push onto IAmRobik at the time, with the posts we had at hand, is very questionable, which I've already raised.
This also raises the question why you aren't voting me after switching from Amiko.
On February 18 2014 08:41 Cavalinho wrote:I stand by the fact that N1k0 is our best lynch target right now. He has contributed nothing and contradicts his own reasoning for pushing a lynch. Amiko, at the very least, tries. What he's saying is stupid and wrong, but he's trying.
Justify it, why and how does he contradict himself?
As it stands, I'm probably the best lynch target next to you, and I'm fine with it if my lynch accomplishes something (it is only Day 1 after all).
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And I'm not changing my vote. I'm staying on N1k0 until the end of today.
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On February 18 2014 08:42 Lord Tolkien wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2014 08:01 Cavalinho wrote:
Except I'm actively pressuring you you stupid asshole.
In case you haven't noticed, I'm actually trying very hard to focus on other things. But you ignore the shit that I've said before in regards to what OnceKing said. You can go ahead and look for it, because I'm not wasting my time explaining anything to you anymore. You are literally turning this into "you or me," and if we're both town, then everyone else is just sitting and watching while you try to reason something out of nothing.
I see absolutely no reason to let you live. You deliberately misread everything and your logic makes no sense. You're either shit town or mafia trying to save yourself.
But it's not like it actually matters what I'm saying here. I could say "smelly dick poop butt" and you would still think I'm mafia. Two things: one, most of your posts have mostly been expressing frustration that Amiko's focusing on you. You've had "productive posts", but they're all focused on defending yourself and trying thus far to condemn Amiko. First, there was no pointing at me previously, The only reference to me previously was: Show nested quote +His logic is unsound and it makes no sense whatsoever. What's actually kind of funny was that I was rethinking my stance after what you [, Lord Tolkien] posted earlier, but he keeps trying to push back on me which, in turn, makes me go after him. After my first two posts on Amiko and a side-tracked conversation with Valernius about possible roles. And the push onto IAmRobik at the time, with the posts we had at hand, is very questionable, which I've already raised. This also raises the question why you aren't voting me after switching from Amiko.
Because we've had that solid conversation earlier about trying to plan around all of the blatant OMGUSing going on. This is a good sign.
I'm going to say it again: all of the people involved in the major discussions right now are probably town, and there are several players sitting back and doing nothing.
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On February 18 2014 08:43 Cavalinho wrote:
Because we've had that solid conversation earlier about trying to plan around all of the blatant OMGUSing going on. This is a good sign.
You replied too fast.
I would like to see the contradictions in N1k0's posts. I didn't see it in my read throughs. I'll look again, but an explanation helps outside of "he's contradictory".
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Alright, check his filter. I agree with OnceKing's post about Amiko's early game, and I'm scummy. N1k0 does it, and he isn't scummy. He is voting me for the exact same reason I voted Amiko, and as such, should be treated as complete nonsense.
For realsies though, this is my last post until after the vote.
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Fine. For you cal, I'll do one last analysis of it, and be extra critical of his post.
On February 18 2014 02:54 N1k0 wrote:
Amiko
He's more likely to be town than maf, in the case hes red hes more likley to be Godfather than Roleblocker or Goon( tho i dont think theres any roleblockers since we are only 9 players) so i wouldnt waste an investigation on him since him being a Goon is the less likely scenario.
Why do i think he likely to be the Godfather in the scenario he is mafia? because of him trying to drive the conversation at the start of the day and then fading away. That being said i feel hes more likely to be town because of the fact that he hasn't been trying to deflect the threats he has received, but instead he been posting with the interest of town in his mind instead of trying to save himself.
I addressed this before: his initial post is not enough to condemn him as godfather, and he didn't "fade away". It can be construed as scummy yes, but the other conclusions aren't the best. He was indeed deflecting the threats at the time of his case opening, and attempting to explain his reasoning.
Cavalinho
At the moment i feel like hes the most likely to be a red since his fast jump on OnceKing's accusation of Amiko, i feel like he saw an opportunity to get some traction behind a lynch early and jumped on it. In the case Cavalinho ends up being red that would probably mean OnceKing is town since i dont think they would both vote so quickly on the same target if they both were mafia.
Your argument is mostly just about his bandwagoning. Is there any other reason you're voting him over, say, me? I would like an explanation.
Lord Tolkien
I dont really know what to think, hes trying hard to get someone lynched and as soon as he saw the case against Amiko losing traction he switched his stance and went against OnceKing. He's seems to be pushing for any lynch as long as its one that would have an important effect on the lynch on d2 which i feel worried about since we dont really know how many mafia there are and getting a townie (or even a blue) lynched against 3 reds would put us on a hard position. Ultimately i'm leaning to think hes town since he appears to be ok with him getting lynched as long as it results in a lynch of OnceKing on d2 who he believes to be mafia (tho he could be bluffing).
My issue with this underlined section is that I swapped my stance against OnceKing after he swapped over to me, I think that's pretty clear. I already stated I was unsure if he was just pointing fingers and just letting town tear themselves apart with no firm commitment himself as a godfather, or just a townie who's just directing town attention instead of actively participating with definitive reads and reasoning, and it was solidified after the random move onto me (and indicated as such before he pushed onto me).
You are correct: I'm looking for a lynch on Day 1 that will have the most impact for town in Day 2, given the unlikelihood of us actually lynching scum. If I'm that lynch, so be it, I'm fine with it.
Based on your analysis, the extrapolation is that we should be lynching me Day 1, so we can get a clear picture of OnceKing and lynch him, or progress onto Cal Day 2 if I ended up turning red.
OnceKing
I feel like he is the less likely to be scum because of his being the first to throw a stone at someone, which could of getting him a lot of attention on him. If Lord Tolkien ends up being green or blue it would probably raise my suspicions of him but for the moment i really feel like hes town.
In the possible scenario that im wrong and he ends up being mafia that would probably mean there where 3 reds (instead of the more likely 2 because of being 9 players) since if there where only 2 it would be less likely for one of them to throw the first accusation at someone.
I still don't buy this, as being the first one to throw the stone, and then not really committing to the case, is just as readily done by a godfather looking to misdirect town attention; first onto Amiko, and then about-face onto me, after I gave my read about him either being town or possibly godfather. If I ended up green or blue, no suspicion would've been cast onto him if I wasn't being so vocal about a double-lynch (or vig shot at night if I turned up green). He was directly pushing hard onto me until I brought that up; now he's just referencing it in passing instead of actively pushing a case (like Amiko, again), and that I think is damning. His opinions are fairly unclear, and without strong reasoning involved thus far.
But it again is just me, and people don't believe me.
I also don't see why there needs to be three mafia with him being the first one to throw an accusation. That's a needless extrapolation.
For the momment im gonna go with the
##vote Cavalinho
but i'm not too confident on it
Very indecisive, potential for yourself to pull it out later and say you weren't sure. Personally, I take it scummy; indecisive votes are my pet peeve. Decide on a vote and be decisive about it.
I'll open this up as a possible valid avenue of lynch and be willing to move my vote to him if everyone else decides upon it, but there's very little time and I'm expecting Cav or me (currently it appears to beCav) to be lynched.
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I will note, my issue with lynching N1k0 is that it doesn't give town anything if he turns up green.
If he turns up red, cool! We actually caught one Day 1! If green? wat do
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More and more I'm growing dissatisfied with the way that Cavalinho is responding to pressure. He's lashing back out at Amiko saying that he's being tunneled upon but I can't agree -- though yes, the bulk of Amiko's case is indeed on Cavalinho he's also discussed other people like LT. Not only that but his actual defenses are just really indignant statements ("You're saying I can't do X? I'm not allowed to say Y?").
I agree that N1k0 has not contributed enough if really at all despite IAmRobik's statement that he has, but neither has Beneather. I can't see any contradiction in N1k0's post, just uncertainty in his vote placement. In addition he himself is now OMGUSing despite talking so much about it being bad earlier... what's up with that?
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kitaman27
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Vote Count
cavalinho: (2) IAmRobik, Amiko, N1k0
IAmRobik: (1) cavalinho, Valenius
Lord Tolkien: (1) Beneather, OnceKing
Beneather: (0) Lord Tolkien
theDragoon: (0) IAmRobik
Amiko: (0) OnceKing, Lord Tolkien
OnceKing: (1) Lord Tolkien
N1k0: (1) cavalinho
Still haven't voted: theDragoon, Beneather, IAmRobik
At this point Cavalinho is set to be lynched
Please remember to unvote after voting. The cycle ends in . PM me if you have any questions or if you see a vote out of place.
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If we lynch Cav, the most likely possibilities are:
1) He was green or blue (vet most likely possibility in which case).
2) Non-godfather red. Note he was the one who suggested (probably correctly) that Cop look elsewhere instead of the most vocal posters. IF he was GF, he would welcome searches to waste cop turns.
Idle speculation post, however: I want to see if I'm right. He's scum, but not as scummy as I think OnceKing is.
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But for reference I'll address the statements about me by LT.
Yes, I swapped to him and then he swapped onto me. This is the correct order of events.
However, a few things of note:
- I actually persisted in voting for Amiko until he made his large contributory post. He volunteered so much content there and has since been contributing regularly in a good way so my read on him has since changed.
- I made my large case on you (and you on me). I was pushing for you because once again I felt that you had quite the number of posts with very few original ideas -- anything you said had already been voiced by Amiko or me, but here's why I'm really uncomfortable about you.
Show nested quote +For the momment im gonna go with the
##vote Cavalinho
but i'm not too confident on it Very indecisive, potential for yourself to pull it out later and say you weren't sure. Personally, I take it scummy; indecisive votes are my pet peeve. Decide on a vote and be decisive about it.
On February 17 2014 08:16 Lord Tolkien wrote:
I'm not entirely convinced that Amiko is red, but I don't think at this point it matters.
##vote Amiko
Depending on the flip:
1) Die scum die
2) Sorry mang, but take one for the town
You do so the exact same here! You've justified it as lynching for information but as I've already said Amiko flipping green would say absolutely nothing about my alignment (though perhaps something about Cavalinho's bandwagon vote!), merely that I thought he was scum. Do you disagree with that?
However I also believed that we had reached an impasse and have discussed the topic of your motivations for voting me and my motivations for voting you to death, so I wanted to get people's reads on other things.
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On February 18 2014 09:25 OnceKing wrote:
You do so the exact same here! You've justified it as lynching for information but as I've already said Amiko flipping green would say absolutely nothing about my alignment (though perhaps something about Cavalinho's bandwagon vote!), merely that I thought he was scum. Do you disagree with that?
However I also believed that we had reached an impasse and have discussed the topic of your motivations for voting me and my motivations for voting you to death, so I wanted to get people's reads on other things.
In my eyes, yes. I'm generally suspicious of people who start lynches so early in a mafia game. I already justified my swap onto death, and I maintain that stance (and am currently asking for clarification). I am not advocating a lynch onto N1K0, again his lynch would accomplish nothing, and I'm being extra harsh on his contradictions.
And I again emphasize: what the hell did I have to gain from making that post and vote? It's not just about what looks scummy, but what looks scummy and advances a mafia agenda. What did I have to gain from it as opposed to remaining silent or start to strongly defend Amiko, again? You pointed out that it looks scummy, and I it is without the context I provided (and I've reiterated time and again), but you haven't provided a definitive motive. This is why my alarm bells are ringing.
And you're still pointing out meandering details, nor gave out the same kind of expanded read analysis of everyone here, beyond just tunneling lynch attempts.
I'm not going to rehash everything unless a formal case is brought up against you or me. Cal/cav quoted the post I made about that, let's implement it.
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+ Show Spoiler +On February 18 2014 09:10 Lord Tolkien wrote:Fine. For you cal, I'll do one last analysis of it, and be extra critical of his post. Show nested quote +On February 18 2014 02:54 N1k0 wrote:
Amiko
He's more likely to be town than maf, in the case hes red hes more likley to be Godfather than Roleblocker or Goon( tho i dont think theres any roleblockers since we are only 9 players) so i wouldnt waste an investigation on him since him being a Goon is the less likely scenario.
Why do i think he likely to be the Godfather in the scenario he is mafia? because of him trying to drive the conversation at the start of the day and then fading away. That being said i feel hes more likely to be town because of the fact that he hasn't been trying to deflect the threats he has received, but instead he been posting with the interest of town in his mind instead of trying to save himself. I addressed this before: his initial post is not enough to condemn him as godfather, and he didn't "fade away". It can be construed as scummy yes, but the other conclusions aren't the best. He was indeed deflecting the threats at the time of his case opening, and attempting to explain his reasoning. Show nested quote +Cavalinho
At the moment i feel like hes the most likely to be a red since his fast jump on OnceKing's accusation of Amiko, i feel like he saw an opportunity to get some traction behind a lynch early and jumped on it. In the case Cavalinho ends up being red that would probably mean OnceKing is town since i dont think they would both vote so quickly on the same target if they both were mafia. Your argument is mostly just about his bandwagoning. Is there any other reason you're voting him over, say, me? I would like an explanation. Show nested quote +Lord Tolkien
I dont really know what to think, hes trying hard to get someone lynched and as soon as he saw the case against Amiko losing traction he switched his stance and went against OnceKing. He's seems to be pushing for any lynch as long as its one that would have an important effect on the lynch on d2 which i feel worried about since we dont really know how many mafia there are and getting a townie (or even a blue) lynched against 3 reds would put us on a hard position. Ultimately i'm leaning to think hes town since he appears to be ok with him getting lynched as long as it results in a lynch of OnceKing on d2 who he believes to be mafia (tho he could be bluffing). My issue with this underlined section is that I swapped my stance against OnceKing after he swapped over to me, I think that's pretty clear. I already stated I was unsure if he was just pointing fingers and just letting town tear themselves apart with no firm commitment himself as a godfather, or just a townie who's just directing town attention instead of actively participating with definitive reads and reasoning, and it was solidified after the random move onto me (and indicated as such before he pushed onto me). You are correct: I'm looking for a lynch on Day 1 that will have the most impact for town in Day 2, given the unlikelihood of us actually lynching scum. If I'm that lynch, so be it, I'm fine with it. Based on your analysis, the extrapolation is that we should be lynching me Day 1, so we can get a clear picture of OnceKing and lynch him, or progress onto Cal Day 2 if I ended up turning red. Show nested quote +OnceKing
I feel like he is the less likely to be scum because of his being the first to throw a stone at someone, which could of getting him a lot of attention on him. If Lord Tolkien ends up being green or blue it would probably raise my suspicions of him but for the moment i really feel like hes town.
In the possible scenario that im wrong and he ends up being mafia that would probably mean there where 3 reds (instead of the more likely 2 because of being 9 players) since if there where only 2 it would be less likely for one of them to throw the first accusation at someone. I still don't buy this, as being the first one to throw the stone, and then not really committing to the case, is just as readily done by a godfather looking to misdirect town attention; first onto Amiko, and then about-face onto me, after I gave my read about him either being town or possibly godfather. If I ended up green or blue, no suspicion would've been cast onto him if I wasn't being so vocal about a double-lynch (or vig shot at night if I turned up green). He was directly pushing hard onto me until I brought that up; now he's just referencing it in passing instead of actively pushing a case (like Amiko, again), and that I think is damning. His opinions are fairly unclear, and without strong reasoning involved thus far. But it again is just me, and people don't believe me. I also don't see why there needs to be three mafia with him being the first one to throw an accusation. That's a needless extrapolation. Show nested quote +For the momment im gonna go with the
##vote Cavalinho
but i'm not too confident on it Very indecisive, potential for yourself to pull it out later and say you weren't sure. Personally, I take it scummy; indecisive votes are my pet peeve. Decide on a vote and be decisive about it. I'll open this up as a possible valid avenue of lynch and be willing to move my vote to him if everyone else decides upon it, but there's very little time and I'm expecting Cav or me (currently it appears to beCav) to be lynched.
I'll try to respond to the doubts you have but ill be brief since im heading out
First about Amiko, i started feeling him to be a red but as the day went on this suspicion went lower and lower, currently i believe him to be town, the reason i think that if he is red he's likely to be godfather is that since he tried to start the conversation which would most likely bring attention to himself which if he were red would make him vulnerable to not only getting lynched but also an investigation (which would not be a problem if he were godfather), but as i said i feel he is more likely to be town that mafia at the moment.
Why Cavalinho and not you, Cavalinho seems way more defensive than you do, and you argue with the town in mind instead of trying to save your own ass, even saying that what good could actually come out of your lynch (tho you could be a really good bluffer), plus i feel like Cavalinho jumped way too fast behind OnceKing's acusation of Amiko, 10 minutes after OnceKing's post looks like he saw an opportunity to get traction behind someone and jumped on it before it could fade away.
I agree with you that my indecisive vote is a really scummy thing to do, but i was just being honest about it, i am not sure of his mafianess but i feel like he is the most likely one to be at the time.
Im heading out now, but ill try to come back before the end of the cycle.
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On February 18 2014 09:38 N1k0 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On February 18 2014 09:10 Lord Tolkien wrote:Fine. For you cal, I'll do one last analysis of it, and be extra critical of his post. Show nested quote +On February 18 2014 02:54 N1k0 wrote:
Amiko
He's more likely to be town than maf, in the case hes red hes more likley to be Godfather than Roleblocker or Goon( tho i dont think theres any roleblockers since we are only 9 players) so i wouldnt waste an investigation on him since him being a Goon is the less likely scenario.
Why do i think he likely to be the Godfather in the scenario he is mafia? because of him trying to drive the conversation at the start of the day and then fading away. That being said i feel hes more likely to be town because of the fact that he hasn't been trying to deflect the threats he has received, but instead he been posting with the interest of town in his mind instead of trying to save himself. I addressed this before: his initial post is not enough to condemn him as godfather, and he didn't "fade away". It can be construed as scummy yes, but the other conclusions aren't the best. He was indeed deflecting the threats at the time of his case opening, and attempting to explain his reasoning. Show nested quote +Cavalinho
At the moment i feel like hes the most likely to be a red since his fast jump on OnceKing's accusation of Amiko, i feel like he saw an opportunity to get some traction behind a lynch early and jumped on it. In the case Cavalinho ends up being red that would probably mean OnceKing is town since i dont think they would both vote so quickly on the same target if they both were mafia. Your argument is mostly just about his bandwagoning. Is there any other reason you're voting him over, say, me? I would like an explanation. Show nested quote +Lord Tolkien
I dont really know what to think, hes trying hard to get someone lynched and as soon as he saw the case against Amiko losing traction he switched his stance and went against OnceKing. He's seems to be pushing for any lynch as long as its one that would have an important effect on the lynch on d2 which i feel worried about since we dont really know how many mafia there are and getting a townie (or even a blue) lynched against 3 reds would put us on a hard position. Ultimately i'm leaning to think hes town since he appears to be ok with him getting lynched as long as it results in a lynch of OnceKing on d2 who he believes to be mafia (tho he could be bluffing). My issue with this underlined section is that I swapped my stance against OnceKing after he swapped over to me, I think that's pretty clear. I already stated I was unsure if he was just pointing fingers and just letting town tear themselves apart with no firm commitment himself as a godfather, or just a townie who's just directing town attention instead of actively participating with definitive reads and reasoning, and it was solidified after the random move onto me (and indicated as such before he pushed onto me). You are correct: I'm looking for a lynch on Day 1 that will have the most impact for town in Day 2, given the unlikelihood of us actually lynching scum. If I'm that lynch, so be it, I'm fine with it. Based on your analysis, the extrapolation is that we should be lynching me Day 1, so we can get a clear picture of OnceKing and lynch him, or progress onto Cal Day 2 if I ended up turning red. Show nested quote +OnceKing
I feel like he is the less likely to be scum because of his being the first to throw a stone at someone, which could of getting him a lot of attention on him. If Lord Tolkien ends up being green or blue it would probably raise my suspicions of him but for the moment i really feel like hes town.
In the possible scenario that im wrong and he ends up being mafia that would probably mean there where 3 reds (instead of the more likely 2 because of being 9 players) since if there where only 2 it would be less likely for one of them to throw the first accusation at someone. I still don't buy this, as being the first one to throw the stone, and then not really committing to the case, is just as readily done by a godfather looking to misdirect town attention; first onto Amiko, and then about-face onto me, after I gave my read about him either being town or possibly godfather. If I ended up green or blue, no suspicion would've been cast onto him if I wasn't being so vocal about a double-lynch (or vig shot at night if I turned up green). He was directly pushing hard onto me until I brought that up; now he's just referencing it in passing instead of actively pushing a case (like Amiko, again), and that I think is damning. His opinions are fairly unclear, and without strong reasoning involved thus far. But it again is just me, and people don't believe me. I also don't see why there needs to be three mafia with him being the first one to throw an accusation. That's a needless extrapolation. Show nested quote +For the momment im gonna go with the
##vote Cavalinho
but i'm not too confident on it Very indecisive, potential for yourself to pull it out later and say you weren't sure. Personally, I take it scummy; indecisive votes are my pet peeve. Decide on a vote and be decisive about it. I'll open this up as a possible valid avenue of lynch and be willing to move my vote to him if everyone else decides upon it, but there's very little time and I'm expecting Cav or me (currently it appears to beCav) to be lynched. I'll try to respond to the doubts you have but ill be brief since im heading out First about Amiko, i started feeling him to be a red but as the day went on this suspicion went lower and lower, currently i believe him to be town, the reason i think that if he is red he's likely to be godfather is that since he tried to start the conversation which would most likely bring attention to himself which if he were red would make him vulnerable to not only getting lynched but also an investigation (which would not be a problem if he were godfather), but as i said i feel he is more likely to be town that mafia at the moment. Why Cavalinho and not you, Cavalinho seems way more defensive than you do, and you argue with the town in mind instead of trying to save your own ass, even saying that what good could actually come out of your lynch (tho you could be a really good bluffer), plus i feel like Cavalinho jumped way too fast behind OnceKing's acusation of Amiko, 10 minutes after OnceKing's post looks like he saw an opportunity to get traction behind someone and jumped on it before it could fade away. I agree with you that my indecisive vote is a really scummy thing to do, but i was just being honest about it, i am not sure of his mafianess but i feel like he is the most likely one to be at the time. Im heading out now, but ill try to come back before the end of the cycle.
Thank you for the response. That clears up most of my lingering doubts, and all the clarification I needed.
In the future, justify your vote more prominently (I should've done the same when I voted for Amiko).
Again, your lynch doesn't accomplish anything at this juncture.
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N1k0's big post gave me a slight scum vibe, mostly because of him talking about Amiko's possible mafia role, I don't think town would think too hard about which red role a scum player would be. I really don't like how he's focused on exact roles. I also disagree with his vote on Cavalinho, who I've stated previously I have a strong town read on. However, he hasn't posted enough for me to be entirely convinced that he's scum though, I hope he posts more so I can get a better read on him.
About people thinking too much about exact roles, Lord Tolkien does this as well in one of his latest posts:
On February 18 2014 09:10 Lord Tolkien wrote:
I already stated I was unsure if he was just pointing fingers and just letting town tear themselves apart with no firm commitment himself as a godfather, or just a townie who's just directing town attention instead of actively participating with definitive reads and reasoning
He also previously talked about certain players possibly having blue roles, such as him suggesting he's a veteran. I just don't see how it helps us too much focusing on figuring out specific roles, we should be trying to find scum, not trying to figure out game set up and possible roles, there's time for that later. It benefits scum more to try to find out the blue roles more than town. He also says this about discussing roles:
I still don't see why commenting on roles is a bad thing for town (mafia will be doing it anyways in their QT)
The bolded part I think is a slip and is probably the biggest tell for a scum Lord Tolkien.
##Vote Lord Tolkien
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On February 18 2014 09:45 theDragoon wrote:Show nested quote +I still don't see why commenting on roles is a bad thing for town (mafia will be doing it anyways in their QT) The bolded part I think is a slip and is probably the biggest tell for a scum Lord Tolkien. ##Vote Lord Tolkien
...what. How the fuck is that a slip?
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I mean, go ahead and vote for me, just lynch OnceKing after.
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As the deadline comes closer, the scummiest person that I have read so far is Valenius, he doesn't contribute anything to town's efforts of deciding on a scum and just posts nothing of actual value. He brings up IamRobik and votes him but does not bring any reasons except that IamRobik has a problem with Valenius' posts, which is not a solid argument. I believe that Valenius might be scum because he is just posting things that look like it has contributions but in all honesty have no value. They are just restating the post and not providing any information and also has a lot of side tracking in it. As far as right now I believe that Valenius is mafia.
A lot of his posts are just him defending himself but not bring any value to the discussion. That seems very scummy, just showing up for the occasional defending but then disappear before attracting too much attention and just sit back and watch town try to lynch each other.
##VOTE Valenius
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What happens in the case of a tie in voting, as this is plurality?
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EPT
