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Koshi
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Koshi
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
If we do not kill either of them, Koshi will be either shot or there will be no confirmed townies (in case scum leave him alive). Again we are going to be guessing on the next day, even if we lynched scum today. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
Says he doesn't want to lynch Palmar, because Palmar will get shot as either alignment. On October 02 2013 02:57 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Feeling rings truish, honest. There were a number of people saying that, "Oh man, if Palmar is scum he'll totally find the other scum team so no worries brah, they'll shoot him!" That's D2. Nah, don't lynch Shaio. I'm more inclined to believe that scum would vote one of the main wagons instead of trying to divert attention onto me. Unless both of his buddies are up for lynch or something. My picture of scum SP is going: "Yeah FT (insert name of other scummy candidate with votes here) is really scummy we should lynch him totes 100%" and put an additional vote on the guy to save himself. Not concrete, but I'd rather lynch Hiro or FT. Palmar seems like he'll get shot regardless of alignment considering there are two scumteams lol. I'll switch to FT for now ----> back after class ##Unvote ##Vote: FirmTofu On October 03 2013 06:36 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: snb flips, cheese drops this. Gut is that the third scum doesn't do this, they have a townie snatch the low-hanging fruit. SnB's flip points to FirmTofu being scum, ezpz. Palmar most certainly isn't in that scumteam cus SnB was going hard for him. I'll vote FT again for great justice. ##Vote: FirmTofu Plus, 5 minutes later we get this: On October 03 2013 06:41 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: This actually makes it look like cheese is spending time reading through snb associations. Like, at 6:36 he notes that snb was pushing Palmar. 5 minutes later, notes that Pandain was town on snb. Pandain might be scum. Had a townread on SnB, and a townread on me for some unexplained reason. Wouldn't expect town Pandain to give me a townread like that. I think the posts being split shows he was actually working through something, not posting a "Lol I'm mafia let's give out fake reads based on a flip" post. ymmv. Then, when people start talking about vote-swapping, his posts read townie: On October 05 2013 04:50 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: I can phone vote from work. FT should be modkilled. I agree on another lynch: more information for us. If FT does last min vote policy lynch. On October 05 2013 04:54 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Im not switching to vayne. On October 05 2013 04:55 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Ehh fuck it just lynch FT. On October 05 2013 04:57 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Palmars got enough votes. Dont lynch VA. Im fine with palmar if FT is getting modfucked. On October 05 2013 04:59 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Says he's okay with a swap. Mentioned earlier in the day that VA probably town. I don't think that he eases into the swap to Palmar like this, just floats along, if he's scum with Palmar. He has the options of: (1) not swapping; or (2) saying he won't swap to Palmar because Palmar will get shot. Instead, he swaps to Palmar.##unvote ##vote: Palmar Ft better die. At the point Cheese STARTS talking about swapping, it's FT 4 / Palmar 5 / VA 3, and cheese is on FT. Stuff happens, VE goes back to FT noting that we don't know a modkill is inc. It's like 5/5 ish or some nonsense? 5/5 looks right. Cheese does NOT have to move his vote, it's 5/5 and if he's buddies with Palmar he can stay on FT no problem. But instead, he moves his vote. And VE moves just afterward. Cheese basically voted to kill Palmar with 1 minute remaining, when he could have stayed on a given scumread in FT. And his vote, but for VE's vote, either got Palmar lynched or broke a tie that would have gone in someone's favor. Without more comment from him, without any fighting of the lynch on Palmar, he's not the last MCB. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On October 07 2013 08:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: So either Koshi gets shot, making the lynch easy and 100% on scum tomorrow.I want to kill Solstice because that guarantees there will be protection on Koshi the next night. If we do not kill either of them, Koshi will be either shot or there will be no confirmed townies (in case scum leave him alive). Again we are going to be guessing on the next day, even if we lynched scum today. OR We have no confirmed townies and we're back in the same spot. Except we lynched someone and got a flip, and people probably died overnight and we have flips, or scum shoot CR or something and he actually has a vest and wears it and confirms himself or other nonsense. We either have a 100% lynch tomorrow, or a MORE CERTAIN lynch, due to bonus info. And if you think solstice is mafia, either he dies overnight or mafia loses 1 KP to protect him. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On October 07 2013 08:33 austinmcc wrote: Yaya, and you should. The end of that game was the BEST because I actually got to solve the game. Look at my play D1 and D2 in that game. I like playing town. I like the puzzle and trying to solve the game. I was awful in that game as mafia until I got to pretend I was a townie and hunt 3P. My activity ticked up and my play improved the moment I got to do the part of the game I like, trying to solve game. Also...I don't know that how I play scum after claiming scum and thinking the game was over is indicative of my normal scum play  It's not that. Simply the tryhard factor that many people don't have as scum. Hell even my one scumgame I posted way less percentagewise than any other and I still tried decently hard. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
Honestly while I do appreciate the effort being put forth, I still don't think the benefits outweigh the risks in trying to determine the MCB. Especially in a game where so many people are playing so well as both alignments (clearly). Solstice is the safe play here and I WILL be taking it. Now VE said something about homework? I'm supposed to grill people or some shit? I did so much of that to solstice last night and Koshi, well....I don't even know what else to say about him. That massive QT paraphrasing really convinced me. Like...as much effort as it takes to write up something like that, the sheer amount of effort it would take to FABRICATE something like that, make it seem coherent and following conversational directions, input from mods, disagreements.... Like, there is no fucking way in hell Koshi could have faked that. Austin, do you believe something like that is fakeable? | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
Can I ask you why you think I might be scum and why you're so hell-bent on singling me out as one of the people who doesn't believe you? | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
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s0Lstice
United States1832 Posts
On October 07 2013 09:15 WaveofShadow wrote: Aaaanyway. Honestly while I do appreciate the effort being put forth, I still don't think the benefits outweigh the risks in trying to determine the MCB. Especially in a game where so many people are playing so well as both alignments (clearly). Solstice is the safe play here and I WILL be taking it. Now VE said something about homework? I'm supposed to grill people or some shit? I did so much of that to solstice last night and Koshi, well....I don't even know what else to say about him. That massive QT paraphrasing really convinced me. Like...as much effort as it takes to write up something like that, the sheer amount of effort it would take to FABRICATE something like that, make it seem coherent and following conversational directions, input from mods, disagreements.... Like, there is no fucking way in hell Koshi could have faked that. Austin, do you believe something like that is fakeable? It's fakeable. It's not a question of difficulty, just one of effort. Think of the time he'd have to do it. Anyway though, between scum and townies being adamant about the right course of action, I'm going to have to do some soul searching as to how hard I want to fight this. I've already spent a lot more time than I had to spend defending this. Things look really bleak/near impossible for me to get you guys on the correct lynch here. Town is in deep shit after my flip and I seem to be powerless to stop it. As much as I'd enjoy lynching outside of me and Koshi there is no way we are gonna get everyone on the same scumread outside us. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
Koshi probably gets town/scum mvp either way anyway, as long as he doesn't ignore my reads and helps lynch town. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
snb never mentions him palmar has a number of mentions. In particular, this exchange: + Show Spoiler + On September 27 2013 18:52 Oatsmaster wrote: Yeah I agree with you palmar. hiro has been not pushing people with questions. The thing is palmar, neither are you. On September 27 2013 18:56 Palmar wrote: I can't tell if you're dumb, lazy or maliciously ignorant Oats, which is it? On September 27 2013 19:29 Oatsmaster wrote: OR CORRECT. HAH. so answer the question. On September 27 2013 20:01 Palmar wrote: Which question? I don't see anything in our recent conversation that suggests you were asking me something? On September 27 2013 20:16 Oatsmaster wrote: Smells like genuine back and forth, imo? There is no question. Good job Palmar. The whole rayn/palmar slapfight was set off in part by rayn's read on oats. Calls oats town for being confrontational/asshole, later notes that oats was passive during palmar/rayn fight night (as a way of saying oats looked scummier, by implication), later later says his read on oats has gotten less townie but still not anywhere near the lynch point. On D3 or whatever, says oats looks townier for actually getting involved during something that day. He's not only fighting with rayn over oats, he's got a read on oats that he puts in thread multiple times, and gives reasons for changes in. Does not FEEL like scumbuddies, based on that. As far as the man himself goes, he basically never mentions snb in any legitimate reason (calls for an RNG lynch on snb at one point). Guh. Just look at oats's actual MENTIONS of palmar. It doesn't fit: On September 27 2013 13:31 Oatsmaster wrote: If WoS gets to insult me, I get to call him out on it. I think yamato's hardheadness and seriousness makes him towny, but there are some things that seem weird to me. BH has been completely useless so null. Whats your read on Palmar? I think he's town myself but he hasnt done much besides joke around and promote RNG. On September 27 2013 14:35 Oatsmaster wrote: Hi yamato. Whats your read on Palmar and why? On September 27 2013 23:17 Oatsmaster wrote: I believe that you are taking those great words out of context. Rayn ok, what makes Palmar scum. On September 29 2013 03:02 Oatsmaster wrote: fuck man rayn, you have to explain Palmar being scum more than you dont like his read on WoS. He's continuously pointing people AT Palmar. He jokes with Palmar. He heavily FOCUSES on Palmar. On D3, oats is the second vote onto Palmar with this: On October 03 2013 14:14 Oatsmaster wrote: Fuck time to look townie and do retarded shit. GUYS LYNCH PALMAR. ##vote Palmar I could basically vote for anyone at this point other than Koshi/Pandain/solstice/WoS And somewhat backs it up, poking around again: On October 03 2013 14:15 Oatsmaster wrote: So WoS/koshi/Pandain/soltice, why not palmar? On October 03 2013 14:30 Oatsmaster wrote: Palmar is scum because his reasoning for not lynching FT was because Rayn was on him. Except that Rayn could be scum and FT could be scum from different scumteams. Thats a horrific reason to not lynch your top scumread. On October 03 2013 14:50 Oatsmaster wrote: Mini =/= large game. Look at the last large game I played, and Ignore day 2. Does day 1 look like town Oats? Also you still havent said why you dont want to lynch Palmar. Then veers onto FT, and starts calling Palmar town out of nowhere: On October 04 2013 14:25 Pandain wrote: Oats I'm noting a lot of contradictions in your play Can you also explain this? On October 04 2013 14:38 Oatsmaster wrote: Palmar is totally town though. Lol you are funny Pandain. First quote, I decided that my feelings were wrong and that Yamato was scum. 2nd and 3rd quote make 0 sense if you are calling me mafia for it. Explain why you think that the 2nd and 3rd quotes are scummy Please Pandain. On October 04 2013 14:38 Oatsmaster wrote: FT might be town but probably is scum. And I dont want to lynch Vayne or Palmar. On October 04 2013 14:47 Oatsmaster wrote: 1. cause its fun 2. Cause its fun Otherwise, I think FT is the most likely to flip scum at this pont in the game. I think Vayne and Palmar are town. On October 04 2013 14:49 Oatsmaster wrote: I think Vayne is playing stupid enough to be town, same with Palmar. Palmar wanting to piss off rayn seems to be a townie thing to do. Lynch was 10/5 5:00 TL time. So while Oats is now off Palmar and calling him town, it's like...13 hours before lynch. He's around just over an hour before lynch, but no posts right around lynch time, so nothing from him regarding the actual voteswitch itself. Conclusions: Oats possible, but I don't like. Very very jokey with Palmar, strongly pushing people to look directly at the Palmar (while calling him townie on D1). If MCBOats wants town cred from pushing people at Palmar, focusing Palmar, then he needs to be SCUMMY on Palmar. Him being townie and pushing people at Palmar will make him look worse. His D3 votes/pushes are odd but not the absolute worst. He's early on Palmar, gets off early for FT, before Palmar really gains traction. Not around at lynch time. It's a flag, being on scum and moving off onto town and suddenly calling your earlier vote town again (town D1 --> scummy --> back to town D3), but, in my mind, it does not outweigh his focus on Palmar early. It appears much more that Palmar, and reading Palmar, was a focal point of Oats's game (if oats is town). Possible, but very unlikely imo. Better fit than koshi/rayn/cheese/va | ||
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s0Lstice
United States1832 Posts
On October 07 2013 09:27 Pandain wrote: Do you really think Koshi is the player to do that? Koshi probably gets town/scum mvp either way anyway, as long as he doesn't ignore my reads and helps lynch town. As much as Koshi doesn't deserve any compliment from me after telling me to take a dick in my ass...he is not a dumb person by any stretch. Quite the opposite. He doesn't have classicly good mafia skills, but he is pretty fucking good in his own way. I wouldn't put it past him. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
Oh shit no way? Also do you think I'm scum and if so say why. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On October 07 2013 09:15 WaveofShadow wrote: Fakeable, yes. If nothing else, it's just a pile of words. It's a fun story to tell about the two of you in QT. Not the EASIEST thing to fake, but easier to fake a summary than real posts. I can also note that I changed some QT posts and deleted some when I posted scum logs in PTP4, and did so on the fly (as did kita, he changed some things), so i HAVE doctored logs before, and it wasn't the hardest thing ever. He's had enough time today to doctor if he wanted to.Aaaanyway. Honestly while I do appreciate the effort being put forth, I still don't think the benefits outweigh the risks in trying to determine the MCB. Especially in a game where so many people are playing so well as both alignments (clearly). Solstice is the safe play here and I WILL be taking it. Now VE said something about homework? I'm supposed to grill people or some shit? I did so much of that to solstice last night and Koshi, well....I don't even know what else to say about him. That massive QT paraphrasing really convinced me. Like...as much effort as it takes to write up something like that, the sheer amount of effort it would take to FABRICATE something like that, make it seem coherent and following conversational directions, input from mods, disagreements.... Like, there is no fucking way in hell Koshi could have faked that. Austin, do you believe something like that is fakeable? Currently I'm back on the Koshi cop and solstice scum side of the fence, between that chunk of stuff, Koshi's finally being angry, and really looking back at some of Koshi's posts. Koshi went ALL OUT claiming, telling people rayn was 100%, couple other things, like...the checks he claims to have made show in HIS posts. With solstice, some of the checks he claims the team made show up in HIRO'S posts. That's important to me because scum, upon seeing Hiro flip, may have tried to look for who he copped. If scum look at Hiro's reads before and after certain nights, they might well pull up posts like "dude scum" --> "no wait, maybe I was wrong, getting a much townier vibe now". There's something to be said for Koshi's support coming from Koshi posts, whereas solstice's support comes, in part, from Hiro's posts, that scum would have been wanting to check out. As far as effort, whatever, this is good. I will probably still try to get people to lynch non-cops. I still think it's best, given that I may be leaning one way but am not sure. Whichever of them is mafia or cop or whatever, still other scum to find. And neither is likely 3rd MCB choice. Honestly, look at the above posts. Look at the rules and then these last few reads. Do you see any likely options other than Pandain or CR (with you as an outside third atm) in Koshi-cop-town, of Pandain or CR in solstice-cop-town? I fully disagree that it's impossible to, at the very least, heavily narrow down who could be the remaining one-man team. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On October 07 2013 09:30 Pandain wrote: No. He looks to have a legitimate "Palmar will get shot, who cares" feeling, to me.Also Austin all your post says for CC not being MCB is that he bussed him last minute. Oh shit no way? Also do you think I'm scum and if so say why. He looks like he's actively looking for SnB connections after SnB flips. Agree? Disagree? And it's not that CC got Palmar killed last minute. It's that CC got Palmar killed last minute WHEN HE DIDN'T HAVE TO AT ALL. Heck, look at how he talks about his own switch: On October 05 2013 06:46 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: I thought ft was claiming scum by being silent. Just look at cephiro in noir (sorry)... Silent dudes gettingvtes are often scum cus they dont want to give information away. Was just bad, then. I cared about the lynch, but ft needed to go. If i didnt care i wouldnt have switched to palmar to get an extra kill. I was debating it due to not knowing if ft was going to be modkilled. On October 05 2013 08:15 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: He doesn't take CREDIT for Palmar being lynched. When solstice says "maybe you're mafia," he explains his switch WITHOUT SAYING "Ummmm, I swapped and got Palmar killed? How am I maf maf?" He doesn't say "I didn't lynch vayne because I VOTED FOR MAFIA." I didnt want to lynch vayne because ft and palmar were better lynches. Thr defence in his filter looked good too when i looked at his filter Bussing only works if you come off looking good from it. Cheese didn't bus Palmar, otherwise he'd at least be INSINUATING that he's town because he helped kill Palmar. And he later attacks oats for oats's posts that mention Palmar. He's concerned with others' (or feigning concern) relationship with Palmar, but NOT PUSHING HIS OWN. That's not a bus. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
Yeah he did, and he got the connection that "Palmar is not SnB". Hmmmm. As I've said before there isn't that much to gain, he also said I was scum for calling SnB town when he was very much so town in my eyes for good reasons. Palmar was going to get lynched, not enough people believed me in Vayne. Wasn't the eventual vote like 7-3? Cheese stayed out of all conversation for the flip until the end, in my eyes because he was forced to switch to the only other viable choice or come out suspicious. I agree your point though about not taking credit is interesting. I thought about WoS as a possible choice for the last MCB. Very determined to avoid Palmar and only laid suspicion on Vayne and FT, wouldn't switch to even Palmar despite me showing that FT was town. My only caveat was that I was pretty sure that he was scum with Vayne but maybe it's not too hard to just assume that he wanted to make sure FT got lynched over Palmar. And at end he tried to with Vayne before it was certain Palmar would get lynched. Do you agree Vayne is scum? | ||
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