EPTCan the scumteams win together? Would you allow such monstrosity?
Clearly it is not in the rules. And you should let us know when they can change wincon.
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Koshi
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Can the scumteams win together? Would you allow such monstrosity? Clearly it is not in the rules. And you should let us know when they can change wincon. | ||
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VayneAuthority
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Koshi
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WaveofShadow
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On October 07 2013 07:03 austinmcc wrote: Honestly? Because if you're actually a cop I think you have targeted decently but have played this actual game poorly. And you being cop messes with some of my reads on other people. This exactly. But I must say, thank you for paraphrasing that QT. That's what I fucking call effort. | ||
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VayneAuthority
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austinmcc
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On October 07 2013 07:30 VisceraEyes wrote: Couple things. The landscape has somewhat changed during D4. He's looked reasonable today, and I don't think scum super needs to be reasonable right here given how everything is going. Given that you're townie and I NEED you on board to push something other than a cop lynch, because of how thread is structured right now, I don't have conviction on WoS scum to fight you over that.Austin this is important: why didn't you have a problem with the task involving assuming WoS is town? The two factions also make it difficult to push WoS scum. If solstice is the cop, WoS is town. If koshi is the cop, then koshi and rayn are town, they seem to have no interest in pushing WoS, they seem to HAVE interest in lynching me eventually, so I need to...build consensus on something else before pushing WoS if I still have him on my scumlist. If that makes sense. Either he's town, or town thinks I'm mafia and he's town. For right now, that's NOT the read to push, and I need to find common ground OR bust heads harder, and then solve WoS later (unless he REALLY sticks out as 3rd banger). | ||
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austinmcc
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On October 07 2013 07:59 Koshi wrote: It's RIGHT THERE Ok I got to ask this because I am so pissed about it and I don't even know if it is possible. Can the scumteams win together? Would you allow such monstrosity? Clearly it is not in the rules. And you should let us know when they can change wincon. On September 23 2013 05:38 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: 6 (2x3) Gangsters - win when everyone except their own scumteam is dead (kill other gang) | ||
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Koshi
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Agreed. Totally agreed. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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On October 07 2013 08:05 austinmcc wrote: Couple things. The landscape has somewhat changed during D4. He's looked reasonable today, and I don't think scum super needs to be reasonable right here given how everything is going. Given that you're townie and I NEED you on board to push something other than a cop lynch, because of how thread is structured right now, I don't have conviction on WoS scum to fight you over that. The two factions also make it difficult to push WoS scum. If solstice is the cop, WoS is town. If koshi is the cop, then koshi and rayn are town, they seem to have no interest in pushing WoS, they seem to HAVE interest in lynching me eventually, so I need to...build consensus on something else before pushing WoS if I still have him on my scumlist. If that makes sense. Either he's town, or town thinks I'm mafia and he's town. For right now, that's NOT the read to push, and I need to find common ground OR bust heads harder, and then solve WoS later (unless he REALLY sticks out as 3rd banger). So you are not trying to solve the game but give out reads that suit you the best? Like, "i can convince people this guy is scum, but not this guy". How does that make any sense? | ||
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austinmcc
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On October 07 2013 08:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: Nope. He's either town or looks more town, enough so that I'm not going to spin my wheels RIGHT NOW trying to accuse him of stuff when a townie indicates they consider him town. So you are not trying to solve the game but give out reads that suit you the best? Like, "i can convince people this guy is scum, but not this guy". How does that make any sense? If you think I'm not trying to solve the game, you've not been reading. Hell, if you think I'm not trying to solve the game as either alignment, you've got a bad read on my play. Solving the game only accomplishes my e-peen being longer than VA's. What I need to do within the game itself is WIN it. Not solve it. Nobody cares if I solve it and wave my hands going "Solution here! Solution here!" We can still lose. What I need to do is solve or partially solve the game, but get traction in this game and PROVE that I've solved or partially solved it. Solving without traction doesn't do much. Solving AND traction does. Traction comes from either a slam dunk case, which i DON'T currently have against oats, or from agreement without slam dunk. Right now I need to focus on agreement, because either there are scum that I can get lynched with some agreement OR who cares what I find because I can't get anyone lynched anyway. | ||
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WaveofShadow
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On October 07 2013 08:22 austinmcc wrote: and again, oats in that last paragraph is WoS. How do you keep making that mistake? Also I just realized something. The effort Austin is putting in to solving this game---under any other circumstances would give me a massive extra huge mega fucking | ||
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WaveofShadow
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On October 07 2013 07:24 VisceraEyes wrote: Showing your work isn't for my benefit friend. You have no idea how much I wish I could just trust you AND trust town to just sheep you if I just trust you. That's too much unnecessary trust. That's the kind of trust scum wants town to give them. Showing your work is for the rest in town who see a counterclaim and thirst for mafia blood. I think it's highly unlikely that s0L is the last Banger regardless of alignment, and he's pretty unanimously the vote leader. You're showing your work to save the town, not to convince me. VE what the shit is this/ Haven't we already shown we don't need to find the last banger (ie SOlstice may be or may not be but it doesn't FUCKING MATTER), we just need to lynch scum?! | ||
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austinmcc
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On October 07 2013 08:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: Because I actually do not know right know which of them is mafia. They both have some good points and some bad points.And why is it easier to judge other people and find scum there from people you already know 1/2 is scum of? And, as posted, if we do NOT lynch a cop claimer, either the situation resolves itself tonight (good for us), scum lose a KP (good for us, and back to same situation tomorrow with more information), or we have 1 more protected townie than we otherwise would have. There is no magical terrible apocalypse if we let the two claimers live. All we gotta do is lynch scum. Same as what you tried to do D1, same as what we tried to do D2, same as what we did D3. Same as every day in mafia. I don't see why an 11-man town with 1 confirmed townie and a 1-1 split on two others can't find scum. Take VE out, take Koshi/solstice out. That's 8 peeps, 5/3 town scum. Any townie knows they are town, 4/3 town scum. I'd much rather trust myself to be able to find scum in a 4/3 split even after removing some people that the cops affect than take what I currently consider to be a gamble on koshi/solstice. | ||
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Koshi
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VayneAuthority
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On October 07 2013 08:25 WaveofShadow wrote: How do you keep making that mistake? Also I just realized something. The effort Austin is putting in to solving this game---under any other circumstances would give me a massive extra huge mega fucking but he was talking nonsense like this in nuclear too and he was town there. Remember that he basically played for scum that game and made it hard to realize that Ace was the scum leader since it seemed austin was. it's a coinflip as far as im concerned. I need to see pandain's flip first. | ||
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austinmcc
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On October 07 2013 08:25 WaveofShadow wrote: Yaya, and you should. The end of that game was the BEST because I actually got to solve the game.How do you keep making that mistake? Also I just realized something. The effort Austin is putting in to solving this game---under any other circumstances would give me a massive extra huge mega fucking Look at my play D1 and D2 in that game. I like playing town. I like the puzzle and trying to solve the game. I was awful in that game as mafia until I got to pretend I was a townie and hunt 3P. My activity ticked up and my play improved the moment I got to do the part of the game I like, trying to solve game. Also...I don't know that how I play scum after claiming scum and thinking the game was over is indicative of my normal scum play  | ||
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austinmcc
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VA cannot be the last MCB. Okay with the Palmar lynch, let it go through ezpz, not on Palmar's team. rayn cannot be the last MCB. snb pushes Palmar hard, Palmar and rayn have a fight over something small. Again, I found Palmar's being very active for that, and very active for discussing his vote, but not active for other stuff to be NAUGHTY. I don't think he fights with a scumbuddy like that and they also have snb push Palmar hard. YES, it would result in a Palmar flip making both his buddies look good, but it's too crucial to why Palmar's activity spikes were scummy for it to also be good scum strat. That's TOO next level. Koshi cannot be the last MCB. Koshi would have fakeclaimed as cop and been cool with the Palmar lynch. He's got no reason to fakeclaim, knowing he'll die, in order to allow a scumbuddy to get lynched. Those three are 100% not the last MCB. Leaving Cheese/Pandain/CR/Oats. Again, WoS is tossed out for now and he's actually town in this world because solstice is town in this world. Anyone take issue with clearing those three people as last MCB in a world where solstice is mafia/in general? | ||
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