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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On October 07 2013 05:41 austinmcc wrote: Why is losing Koshi bad? If we lose Koshi, we 100% know solstice's alignment. WHY IS HAVING THE WHOLE SITUATION RESOLVED A BAD THING? You are fucking idiot because when we lynch Solstice and he is scum we have me + Oats as confirmed town aswell. Besides Koshi. And we lynched scum. Your game is falling apart. | ||
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s0Lstice
United States1833 Posts
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
On October 07 2013 06:00 s0Lstice wrote: i dont even care that you are scum, you get a round of applause Koshi. *Bows down* + Show Spoiler + Not to take penis in the ass, something you are trying to achieve for the last 10 hours. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On October 07 2013 05:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: We can lynch ANY of 4 scum. You're skipping things here, smoothing over them.You are fucking idiot because when we lynch Solstice and he is scum we have me + Oats as confirmed town aswell. Besides Koshi. And we lynched scum. Your game is falling apart. Why is Koshi dying bad? It confirms solstice as scum, and it confirms you and oats as town. In your "bad" scenario, Koshi getting shot, solstice gets lynched, you guys get confirmed, all of it 100%. Why is it BAD? | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
On October 07 2013 06:09 austinmcc wrote: We can lynch ANY of 4 scum. You're skipping things here, smoothing over them. Why is Koshi dying bad? It confirms solstice as scum, and it confirms you and oats as town. In your "bad" scenario, Koshi getting shot, solstice gets lynched, you guys get confirmed, all of it 100%. Why is it BAD? Dude, like VA said. Dnu why you suddenly think I am scum and s0lstice is cop. Or at least consider it. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
In my opinion, the most beneficial thing we can do for town is to find the last Banger and remove that KP. I think this is of paramount importance, and EVERYONE in town should give their thoughts on that specific matter. Regardless of everything that's happening with the claims, the most important factor in prolonging the game is removing KP. Now, regardless of what you think of the claims, it seems me that s0Lstice is NOT the last Banger. If thisthis is a bad assumption please explain why. If we can find the last Banger in the next 23 hours, that's who we should lynch. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On October 07 2013 06:26 VisceraEyes wrote: Hold your horses I have like 1/3 of my HW almost done and coming.Austin find the last Banger. If you can find the last Banger I'll vote with you I promise. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
On October 07 2013 06:32 VisceraEyes wrote: Like here's my thought process: In my opinion, the most beneficial thing we can do for town is to find the last Banger and remove that KP. I think this is of paramount importance, and EVERYONE in town should give their thoughts on that specific matter. Regardless of everything that's happening with the claims, the most important factor in prolonging the game is removing KP. Now, regardless of what you think of the claims, it seems me that s0Lstice is NOT the last Banger. If thisthis is a bad assumption please explain why. If we can find the last Banger in the next 23 hours, that's who we should lynch. Why would the scummer within the 3 man team contact CC? It only makes sense that the scummer in the 1 team would try to reach out to the other team. So yeah, it makes total sense that s0lstice is the last Banger. The only reason why I can see why s0lstice is not the last banger is that the last banger already contacted the enemy team and they both decided that trowing s0lstice to the lions was the best way to make sure the last banger would survive this lynch and KP stayed on 2. I have a lot of moral problems with the last option. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On October 07 2013 05:41 VisceraEyes wrote: 10-4.Okay I'm heading out guys. Austin, homework. Assume that myself, Wave and you are all confirmed town. Come up with scumteams and a lynch target outside the cop claims. Wave: you're on claim-duty. Pressure both claims, and get as much information out of BOTH of them as you can. This will help us out tomorrow IF we decide to leave them until tomorrow. For myself, I'm going to be watching and thinking and considering and I'll post my thoughts on the situation with WELL enough time to swing the lynch if I think that's what we need to do. Koshi Koshi as cop confirms Koshi, VE, oats, rayn. In your scenario I am town and WoS is town. That leaves: Pandain, VA, CR, Cheesecake, solstice. Within that group, solstice MUST be mafia (claim). 3/4 of Pandain, VA, CR, Cheesecake MUST be mafia. This scumgroup hinges on Cheesecake. He's the one who called out solstice walkie-talkieing him. 1. Koshi and Cheesecake If he's town, if we think this ISN'T a giant ploy and solstice's team fucked up in thinking CC was scum, then the scum team is Pandain/VA/CR/solstice. Splits in my head are initially solstice/Pandain/VA + CR or solstice/VA/CR + pandain. 1(a). Koshi, Cheesecake, solstice/pandain/VA + CR/ This scum team makes no sense. Pandain pushes VA over Palmar on D3. He can take cred saving FT and MAYBE lynching scum in Palmar, without giving up VA. Saving FT + bussing VA is just too much. Moreover, VA is all up in Pandain's butt. Keeps calling Pandain mafia. This scum team is unlikely, as they're just too at each other's throats. Like...SnB pushes Palmar, but not spamming a whole day to get people onto him like Pandain does with VA. That's way way way too much commitment for a bus. 1(b). Koshi, Cheesecake, solstice/CR/Pandain + VA/ Here, Pandain's D3 push on VA makes more sense. VA can be scum but not on Pandain's team. And Pandain and VA get to be split apart. However, VA didn't seem to care if we lynched Palmar D3. He didn't say much, but he voted Palmar and seemed decently okay with it, never tried to shift the lynch to another target or just stick with FT. Therefore, I do not like this scenario. 1(c). Koshi, Cheesecake, solstice/CR/VA + Pandain/ In this situation, VA is actively going after the remaining scum from the other team. Pandain is trying to save FT and lynch VA D3, but gets forced onto Palmar, his scumbuddy. However, VA today is unwilling to accept solstice as possible cop. In this case, VA is CRAZY distancing himself from solstice, even when other options present themselves (lynch koshi, lynch outside the two). I don't love that idea, but it's there. Based on 1(a) giving a really weird Pandain bus on VA and sacrifice of solstice, I hate it. Based on the implications of (b) and the D3 lynch, I dislike it. I really do not see Palmar's teammate being entirely resigned to just let him go, when it was reasonable for people to stay on FT. 2. Koshi and Cheesecake In this scenario, Cheesecake is outing solstice's PM, but is part of the other mafia team. He just wants solstice lynched, get cred, huzzah huzzah. With solstice and cheesecake scum, we need 2 mafia within CR/VA/Pandain. I would personally argue that Pandain is town here. After yesterday morning, VA calling oats a great bulletproof target and just, in general, spewing nonsense, i do not think he's town. He's also trying to make me (confirmed town in these scenarios) look scummy, and just...he has not made the most sense lately. Like saying he was the clear mislynch for today when: (1) oats was set up yesterday; (2) two other players had more votes than him when he said that. So, no offense, I'm not considering VA town in these scenarios. Pandain or CR is town here. 2(a). Koshi, Cheesecake, Pandain If Cheesecake and solstice were on opposite teams, cheesecake outing solstice is REALLY weird. Too weird. Why not work together and backstab later? Why not at least get more info out of solstice and THEN backstab, letting everyone know he's mafia AND he gave up his team? So I'm assuming cheesecake/solstice same team, and doing this to try to secure someone for later game, a way for scum to "confirm" someone as town by dumping solstice. Cheesecake/Solstice/VA + CR or Cheesecake/Solstice/CR + VA Both VA and CR, whichever is on the solstice-team in Pandain-town world, are dumping solstice, hoping to survive a little bit and live with cheesecake, setting him up to carry it through. In each case, the one-man team is ALSO going after solstice, but doesn't actually KNOW that solstice is mafia. Again though, VA being okay with the Palmar lynch makes the first option more likely than the second. 2(b). Koshi, Cheesecake, CR The cheesecake/solstice thing still applies. Now you're looking at Cheesecake/Solstice/VA + Pandain or Cheesecake/Solstice/Pandain + VA Pandain and VA are split, so that interaction doesn't help make something more likely here. Again, both the scumbuddy and the one-man team are going after solstice, and just solstice. And same thing with disliking VA/Palmar on the same team. So what does Koshi cop mean? It hinges on Cheesecake. IF you think he's Cheesecake, then the remaining mafia MUST be Solstice, Pandain, VA, and CR. And the likely setup is 1(c), with Pandain being the last MCB. IF you think he's Cheesecake, then the remaining mafia are 2/3 of Pandain, VA, and CR. The scumteams I see being most likely there are Cheesecake/Solstice/VA + CR or Cheesecake/Solstice/VA + Pandain IN THE KOSHI SCENARIOS, PANDAIN OR CR IS THE LAST MCB. IF YOU THINK CHEESECAKE, THEN THE LAST MCB IS PANDAIN Okay. I need a moment. Going to post out the other options. Then gonna start really digging, because we can eliminate SOME options based on posts, just gotta look. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
Not to mention, if solstice is mafia, he's GOING TO DIE. We either kill him, or we kill koshi who is a cop, and therefore SOLSTICE DIES. He CANNOT be the one man team, because his counterclaim ensures his death. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
On October 07 2013 06:46 austinmcc wrote: (I also dislike single mafia contacting three mafia. His ONLY hope is to stay hidden, ONLY ONLY ONLY ONLY, and to have a LOT of things go right for him (Yes WoS, it's technically possible but a super longshot except these claims could be creating the longshot)). Not to mention, if solstice is mafia, he's GOING TO DIE. We either kill him, or we kill koshi who is a cop, and therefore SOLSTICE DIES. He CANNOT be the one man team, because his counterclaim ensures his death. This is what I have been saying 24/7. Scumteams are playing immoral. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On October 07 2013 06:48 Koshi wrote: You just said the exact opposite. You just said solstice was the last MCB.This is what I have been saying 24/7. Scumteams are playing immoral. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
Koshi says it makes total sense that solstice is the last MCB. Then he notes that he's been saying 24/7 solstice can't be the last MCB. Then he notes that maybe solstice is "yolo-ing it up" and "not thinking about his wincon." | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
On October 07 2013 06:49 austinmcc wrote: You just said the exact opposite. You just said solstice was the last MCB. Yes, because if he isn't that means that the scumteams are fucking working together. You think s0lstice is letting himself get killed through CC for nothing??? NO, he does it to save the last banger. Who were we on before all this shit? PANDAIN. But s0lstice needs to die. He needs to die. I am not going to go for Pandain. Nonononono. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
But I want you to know that right now I hate you in the face. I think my plan is good. I'm okay working to make it happen. However, do you see how many color tags and bold tags are in that post above? DO YOU SEE THEM? You should just sheep me instead of making me show my work. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
On October 07 2013 06:50 austinmcc wrote: I would like for everyone to factor in these last couple posts. Koshi says it makes total sense that solstice is the last MCB. Then he notes that he's been saying 24/7 solstice can't be the last MCB. Then he notes that maybe solstice is "yolo-ing it up" and "not thinking about his wincon." .. ffs. 1) Yes it makes total sense he is last MCB if all this Payphone to CC is legit. The 3 man team will NEVER do it. 2) I am saying 24/7 that there is a big chance that scumteams are already working together and trowing s0lstice to the lions and therefore s0lstice is NOT a MCB. 3) Because when it is 1) and he is the last banger he should have told us CC is scum and lieing about the whole thing. Because lynching me is AGAINST HIS FUCKING WINCON. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
You people suck ass. | ||
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