TL Mafia Ban List 2.0 - Page 45

On October 09 2013 07:03 GMarshal wrote:

Approved :D
geript is sitting out Hogwarts atm, he should PM me when its over so I can remove him
VE, remember to sit something out please ^_^

On March 08 2014 10:47 geript wrote:
1 game ban for first offense is standard. Even if you don't like it that standard has been set a few times and multiple people have gotten off with less. Moc should be 1 game not more.
Edit: Basically just because someone isn't popular or isn't well liked doesn't mean they should get worse treatment.

On March 08 2014 10:52 Coagulation wrote:


VE did the exact same thing as mocst and everyone was like oh ok 1 game ban and that was that. you guys need to stop cherry picking shit.

On March 08 2014 10:52 geript wrote:

Again, people have done the same or similar things before. They got 1 game. It's unfair for him to get more.

On March 08 2014 10:52 Coagulation wrote:


VE did the exact same thing as mocst and everyone was like oh ok 1 game ban and that was that. you guys need to stop cherry picking shit.

On March 08 2014 09:45 Aquanim wrote:

Okay then.

I think that a player threatening, or saying that he would be willing to, abuse his host powers in another game to punish another player for their play in the current game is a terrible precedent if it's allowed.

On March 08 2014 10:58 Hopeless1der wrote:
It seems like this is a repeat offense for mocsta. Phone makes verifying difficult, does this check out?

On March 08 2014 10:57 marvellosity wrote:
ban request for mocsta seems pretty reasonable.

On March 08 2014 10:58 Foolishness wrote:

For the record, I'm not at all bothered by such a statement made in game (though I'm also more lax about bad behavior than most). It's one thing to be playing in a mafia game, get into a heated moment, and say something you don't mean and an entirely another thing to actually do something like modkilling a player in a game because you don't like him. At least, I'm 99.9% sure even if he was playing in Geript's game Geript would not have modkilled him. Mafia gets heated, and when people are heated they may say and do stupid stuff in the game, but the majority of the time it stays in the game (and when it doesn't they are banned).

Was his behavior in the game setting a bad precedent? Yes.
Was the modkill in game warranted given the rules stated? Yes.
Are players (including geript) less likely to exhibit such behavior, like passive out-of-game threats since it's not going to be tolerated? Yes.
Can 95% of the players here afford to be nicer when playing in games? Yes.
Worth banning over? No.

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You can get someone banned from hosting, you just talk to me about it not GM. It's actually really easy. All you have to do is send me a PM with the following information:

1) What the host did that violated the (hosting) rules.
2) Proof that the crime in question was made with malicious or selfish intent (i.e. it wasn't a one-time accident).
3) Reasoning why you think the host will continue the behavior.

The only thing is that most people can't even properly do the first part. People are just angry and they want someone to blame. And the host is very convenient to blame. 95% of the conversations go like this:

Player: "X should totally be banned from hosting! They are a terrible host!"
Foolishness: "okay, what did they do that was against the rules?"
Player: "They modkilled me over *insert grey area situation here*!" or "They wouldn't let me use my role in a way I wanted!" or "He was a dick for modkilling this other player!"
Foolishness: "okay, where in the rules does it say the host is not allowed to do this?"
Player: "Well, no where, but it was still a dick thing to do!"

tl;dr Suck it up guys, everyone's been modkilled for one reason or another. Doesn't mean the host is a dick or a bad host.

On March 08 2014 11:03 Coagulation wrote:


How can you ban someone from hosting a mafia game on tl.net if they want to host a game? theres like zero way you can decide/enforce if someones allowed to host a mafia game or not. I mean it can be "non sanctioned by the tlmafia queu" But as long as someones not breaking any TL commandments with their game you really dont have any right to be telling people if they can post or not.

On March 08 2014 10:58 Foolishness wrote:

For the record, I'm not at all bothered by such a statement made in game (though I'm also more lax about bad behavior than most). It's one thing to be playing in a mafia game, get into a heated moment, and say something you don't mean and an entirely another thing to actually do something like modkilling a player in a game because you don't like him. At least, I'm 99.9% sure even if he was playing in Geript's game Geript would not have modkilled him. Mafia gets heated, and when people are heated they may say and do stupid stuff in the game, but the majority of the time it stays in the game (and when it doesn't they are banned).

Was his behavior in the game setting a bad precedent? Yes.
Was the modkill in game warranted given the rules stated? Yes.
Are players (including geript) less likely to exhibit such behavior, like passive out-of-game threats since it's not going to be tolerated? Yes.
Can 95% of the players here afford to be nicer when playing in games? Yes.
Worth banning over? No.

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You can get someone banned from hosting, you just talk to me about it not GM. It's actually really easy. All you have to do is send me a PM with the following information:

1) What the host did that violated the (hosting) rules.
2) Proof that the crime in question was made with malicious or selfish intent (i.e. it wasn't a one-time accident).
3) Reasoning why you think the host will continue the behavior.

The only thing is that most people can't even properly do the first part. People are just angry and they want someone to blame. And the host is very convenient to blame. 95% of the conversations go like this:

Player: "X should totally be banned from hosting! They are a terrible host!"
Foolishness: "okay, what did they do that was against the rules?"
Player: "They modkilled me over *insert grey area situation here*!" or "They wouldn't let me use my role in a way I wanted!" or "He was a dick for modkilling this other player!"
Foolishness: "okay, where in the rules does it say the host is not allowed to do this?"
Player: "Well, no where, but it was still a dick thing to do!"

tl;dr Suck it up guys, everyone's been modkilled for one reason or another. Doesn't mean the host is a dick or a bad host.

On March 08 2014 11:34 Keirathi wrote:
I will say that I vehemently disagree with that point from BH. IMO, when you /in to a game you are consenting to follow that game's rules even if they aren't "normal" TL rules. I don't think a rule being non-standard should exclude you from the consequences of breaking those rules.

On March 08 2014 11:53 geript wrote:

I just want to understand you're point here clearly. My rule set for PYP is probably one of the strictest around. People even noted it in pregame. Let's say I modkill someone for breaking a rule. You agree that they should receive a ban?

For example, austinmcc made a post after his death. My rule set specifically says no posting after death and I reminded people of it twice. Does he deserve a ban for breaking the rules? Prome made a point to say that I should remind people of the differences between my rules and 'normal' rules. I don't think that would be fair or right and I would hope everyone would speak up for that.