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On September 17 2013 02:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2013 02:30 VayneAuthority wrote:
well likewise, if SnB is scum here he is not playing like sicilian at all. But aside from the meta differences, he is coming to smart conclusions and transparently trying to analyze the game. He also hasn't just written me off as scum so I'm biased here. Seems like he is one of the few people ACTUALLY TRYING TO SOLVE THE GAME.
I will get back to you on the lurker thing, there's too many replacements in this game and I got nothin' to work with really. Kush seemed scummy to me early because he was martyring and the blubb wagon just barely beat him out but I'm unsure on him now. He hasn't really given much to work with. Zealos seems like he doesn't give a shit about the game at all but that's not really enough to work with either. Could you point out some direct quotes from SnB's filter where he is trying to solve the game (do not bring BH into this, it's a good place to hide in case SnB is scum and BH is not)?
On September 16 2013 05:31 strongandbig wrote:
here's something people can respond to while i keep reading.
why are we totally ignoring zealos, despite him being the Wagon of Justice yesterday? No one has said a single thing that convinces me away from my interpretation of the differences between how he's played this game and how he played in those other two town games i posted links to. He hasn't engaged with this game at all except to poke at me occasionally. I'm pretty mystified by how no one has even mentioned him since yesterday. I still think he's scum.
On September 13 2013 03:18 strongandbig wrote:Hey guys Posting from phone in class Posting notes: + Show Spoiler +
Partner wants to know if I have a scum read on koshi
I don't like pandaman's role name reasoning. No reason hosts can't mix up the roles or give scum safe fake claims. Also from his post his opinions are basically easy ones - kush needs to straighten up. No lurking. Super scummy opening post IMO.
Then in his next post grack makes a decent attack but twists pandaman's argument - he didn't say lynch grack cause he's bad. He said lunch grack cause he's noncommittal.
Ppl talking about me finding debears smurf slip as coach. I clicked profile and last posts on his account. Not very hard to do.
I like Ryan's first four posts/entry into the thread. Okay wait maybe not - rayne is quibbling about old partners questions with koshi but asking about stupid things...
Rayen says that good karma looks good about the early day 1 quarrel - wtf where did this come from...
Ryan's reasons for saying that grack is scum are also terrible. And he keeps going on about panda in being better than old partner but they just feel completely different...
Anyway non rayne notes.
Fracks case on blubbdavod interesting . Go reread.
Wtf is up with snoman yelling about onegu
Here's the thing with Ryan. He argues and gets in people's faces and posts a million times as either alignment. The biggest difference is when he's scum he argues about things that don't matter and don't move the town forward, but when he's town he actually pushes on points that are important. Just compare his scum filter from game of thrones and compare that to his town filter from aperture 2, the difference is obvious. My first reaction is "this is scum Ryan". He's arguing a lot about old partners questions from early in the game but he's finding quibbles and there's no way what koshi thinks of those questions is remotely worth the amount of text Ryan puts in. Ditto for the arguing about whether grack could really have changed his mind for the reasons he said. I'm not sure about rayne though. For me it's always hard to figure him out for sure because of how constantly interactive he is even as scum. One other thing - I think panda in is scum. His post was that bad and opening posts are inportant. He had only easy scum opinions - lunch kush, lurkers bad - in that post. plus he has obviously bad reasoning on role names and bad justification for his town reads on me, va, and gk. like, what townie sees someone whose only comment on the main issues in the thread was "that's silly" and says "oh yes that guy is town, the whole thread really was a distraction." Plus I don't think vayne was moving the thread forward as much as shouting at people/being aggro, and it was really easy for me to click on papasmirf's profile button. None of those strike me as townie reasons for townreads. Right now I want to lynch pandaman's. however, before I vote I want to reread the blurb case as well. Anyway I have a problem set due tmo so I'm probably not gonna be voting until tomorrow morning.
On September 14 2013 05:18 strongandbig wrote:yeah i dont want to lynch kush right now. he's not playing like he did when we were scum together. when he's scum he tends to lurk but he also tends to be pretty aggressive with calling other people scum for no reason, especially his teammates. here he's actually engaging people's points: Show nested quote +On September 13 2013 00:15 kushm4sta wrote:On September 12 2013 13:24 Pandain wrote:
Zealos seems town because if someone else was Isaac(who is very likely to be a character due to the fact he's the main party leader in the original GS, thanks Wikipedia!), then he would get counterclaimed. And Isaac isn't evil. I don't know if it's forbidden to reason like this, based on character names, but that's what I got.
Scum are given fake claims though! Show nested quote +On September 13 2013 05:56 kushm4sta wrote:
WOW i haven't even finished reading the thread yet, but this shit coming from pandain about Isaac and what not is complete and utter garbage.
IT SAYS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ABOUT HIS ROLE....
Scum were given fake claims... i know this for a fact because I asked about it. Show nested quote +On September 13 2013 11:22 kushm4sta wrote:
Also, just from kind of reading/skimming the thread so far, I really think OP and Panda are both terrible lynches. They are not the kind of people who I think make good d1 lynches.
You don't lynch people who are vocal, not spamming, good players on D1. All my mafia experience has taught me it always ends up lynching potentially useful town. (see WoS lynch d1 in persona).
Show nested quote +On September 14 2013 04:08 kushm4sta wrote:
Rofl rayne you do this every game. Contradiction does not equal scum. You get tunneled on people for terrible reasons.
Your tunnel on snb looks exactly like your tunnel on wos in persona. Did you notice that? those are not the kind of posts i expect from scum kush. at the very least i dont want to lynch him yet.
On September 16 2013 06:45 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2013 06:18 Koshi wrote:On September 16 2013 06:15 strongandbig wrote:On September 16 2013 06:10 Koshi wrote:On September 16 2013 05:53 strongandbig wrote:man i still want to lynch rayne. like, this doesn't strike me as a townie mindset: + Show Spoiler +On September 16 2013 04:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I do not need to make a case on anyone, i want to lynch OP today.
Isn't it annoying when a townie will not tell you what makes you scum? You probably need to kill me next night. On September 16 2013 05:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2013 04:40 Papa_Smurf wrote:
Btw I would love to know how I'm a main candidate without a single fucking real case on me.
The only case that has been presented is a kush case that was 1) wrong and 2) I debunked. tbh i do not understand that either. People who are voting for you should make a case. kush has a case but i do not think that's good and you have given an acceptable defence to it. I do not however understand why should i make a case on someone i do not even want to lynch today? if you think someone is scum, you should explain why... otherwise what if you die? what if your other case is wrong? and more importantly, it gives people more stances that they can use to read you. it's just, like, trying to get rayn lynched is going to take so much effort, and i have no idea if i'll gain any traction at all... i'm honestly a little less certain than I was yesterday, because rayn doesn't feel like he's been as aggressively and retardedly confrontational as I expect scum-him to be. but I really don't see how you can have 16 pages of filter as town and have your only real cases/pushes be the terrible tunnel on me that was based on nitpicking and misconstruing my posts, and now his push on OP that is entirely "there can't be two survivors". it's like, he if anyone would do all that yelling and bad arguing to try to get me mislynched as scum... but would he really? Can people talk to me here about rayn? + Show Spoiler +
I feel like zealos is obviscum though and would rather lynch him for the moment.
i need to reread bh's filter post-claim and see how I feel about his lynch. I could maybe get down with it, though, in large part because of the breadcrumb thing
. Lynching rayn is bad. Just play the game by rayn his rules and he will find the scummers eventually. Rayn was completely wrong about the scummers in his first 20 pages of filter in Persona. Then he got it right. There is nothing scummy about what rayn is doing. You might dislike that he is hunting you, but at least he is hunting. You are also not getting lynched so I don't really see why you are being so annoyed. btw, if there weren't people like rayn then you would go into lylo with a LOT LESS information. rayn hunts active posters in his games. Unlike others. i disagree. rayn makes the thread too long and hard to re-read and analyze in-depth. regardless of his alignment i think having him in a game hurts town. Yeah totally. Look at those first 2 days in aperture. Rayn didn't say shit and town really won the game there. town lost for reasons that had nothing to do with rayn in that game, he played fine. he didn't distract them by being a lynch prospect and he used his PR pretty well. Show nested quote +On September 16 2013 06:29 Koshi wrote:On September 16 2013 06:15 strongandbig wrote:On September 16 2013 06:10 Koshi wrote:On September 16 2013 05:53 strongandbig wrote:man i still want to lynch rayne. like, this doesn't strike me as a townie mindset: + Show Spoiler +On September 16 2013 04:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I do not need to make a case on anyone, i want to lynch OP today.
Isn't it annoying when a townie will not tell you what makes you scum? You probably need to kill me next night. On September 16 2013 05:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2013 04:40 Papa_Smurf wrote:
Btw I would love to know how I'm a main candidate without a single fucking real case on me.
The only case that has been presented is a kush case that was 1) wrong and 2) I debunked. tbh i do not understand that either. People who are voting for you should make a case. kush has a case but i do not think that's good and you have given an acceptable defence to it. I do not however understand why should i make a case on someone i do not even want to lynch today? if you think someone is scum, you should explain why... otherwise what if you die? what if your other case is wrong? and more importantly, it gives people more stances that they can use to read you. it's just, like, trying to get rayn lynched is going to take so much effort, and i have no idea if i'll gain any traction at all... i'm honestly a little less certain than I was yesterday, because rayn doesn't feel like he's been as aggressively and retardedly confrontational as I expect scum-him to be. but I really don't see how you can have 16 pages of filter as town and have your only real cases/pushes be the terrible tunnel on me that was based on nitpicking and misconstruing my posts, and now his push on OP that is entirely "there can't be two survivors". it's like, he if anyone would do all that yelling and bad arguing to try to get me mislynched as scum... but would he really? Can people talk to me here about rayn? + Show Spoiler +
I feel like zealos is obviscum though and would rather lynch him for the moment.
i need to reread bh's filter post-claim and see how I feel about his lynch. I could maybe get down with it, though, in large part because of the breadcrumb thing
. Lynching rayn is bad. Just play the game by rayn his rules and he will find the scummers eventually. Rayn was completely wrong about the scummers in his first 20 pages of filter in Persona. Then he got it right. There is nothing scummy about what rayn is doing. You might dislike that he is hunting you, but at least he is hunting. You are also not getting lynched so I don't really see why you are being so annoyed. btw, if there weren't people like rayn then you would go into lylo with a LOT LESS information. rayn hunts active posters in his games. Unlike others. i disagree. rayn makes the thread too long and hard to re-read and analyze in-depth. regardless of his alignment i think having him in a game hurts town. This is such bullshit and such a cheap shot. Spewing bullshit like a monkey. Probably heard it somewhere else first? Fucking back this up? You can't. Rayn post a lot but that is a quality IN BOTH ALIGNMENTS. Nothing else. Fact that you can't keep up with it is your fault. Because you can't keep up. jubjub. what does his alignment have to do with it? I'm saying he plays that way as both alignments and as both alignments it hurts town. and it's not that i'm having trouble keeping up in this game, it's a mini and the speed is fine. it's that rayn jumps from one momentary interaction to the next so quickly that there's no time to analyze in depth and in context while keeping up with the thread. there is no way his filter can have a coherent narrative if it's constantly posting about every little thing that happens, and townies' filters should have coherent narratives because that's how you establish that you're town, and that's how you persuade people to follow your reads, and that's how you make an environment where it's hard for scum to stay hidden. but anyway we should probably argue about this post game because as we've both agreed, it has nothing to do with rayn's alignment. he plays this terrible spammy style as both town and scum.
a few quotes from different parts of the game
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On September 16 2013 20:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:Another question to you SnB: How do you go from this: Show nested quote +On September 14 2013 06:10 strongandbig wrote:
I just reread through old partners filter. I don't have a super food reason why he's town but I don't want to lunch him... It's just, like, I really don't see any good reason why he's scum either. It seems like lynching him would be a policy Lynne on his new attempted playstyle. I'd rather lynch zealos or Ryan whose play seems to me scum motivated / to match their scum meta better than their town meta. Show nested quote +On September 16 2013 05:59 strongandbig wrote:..to this: On September 16 2013 05:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So SnB what does Zealos do as scum and how is it different from his town games? not really sure how to answer this. his only scum games were over a year ago. in both town and scum games at that point he played completely differently than he has in his past three games this year (all town) and this game. I guess you have a point - I can argue "there's a difference in his play from his previous town games / recent town meta, and it's scummy" but I can't say " this is the same as his recent scum meta" because that doesnt exist. These are the things that make me think you are scum. You are just lying.
Well, when I was talking about "difference in play" I mostly meant you. I'm basically trying to quantify why you felt so town to me in aperture and so scummy in got. For zealos I had only read town games of his and I had identified a difference in this game from how he'd been playing as town in recent games.
On September 16 2013 20:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
One thing i would like you to answer SnB. On D1 you started the wagon on Zealos. Remember what i said then? I said "yeah i would be okay with Zealos lynch". Your top scumread (me) at that time agrees with your lynch target, didn't that worry you at all? Why? What happened then, i never voted for Zealos. I voted BH instead and said Zealos is town later on. Why do you never bring this up, at any point after that in the game? Your top scumread was unwilling to vote for your other scumread while he before that said he would be okay with lynching them. How can you miss that kinda stuff if you are town? And if you didn't miss it why did you think it was not worth bringing up?
I'm pretty sure I've told you before, until someone flips I don't care if one scum read of mine agrees or disagrees with my reasoning about another one. There's always the chance I was wrong, there's always the chance scum are bussing or aren't, I don't care; it's never going to be reliable info until someone flips.
As for your votes on zealos: I have been trying for a while to get you to explain why you think he is town. I haven't heard anything but you keep insisting it. Seriously what the fuck is going on there?
At everyone else: I'm okay with killing BH. He's changed from "I'm going to find and kill scum, so don't kill me town" to "I'm going to find any scapegoat for a lynch". The lynch is never as set as he makes it out to be, we had no more active people last time than now and look how that turned out. Bh really isn't giving me a reason to not lynch him.
More importantly: I'm okay with lynching bh because I still don't believe his breadcrumb. I think it's way more likely he was breadcrumbing something else and decided to claim survivor to explain his vote jump.
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sn0, you have been in game since the start, and you have 2 townreads that mirror thread sentiment. Good show.
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anyways have to go now, be back in like 10 hours
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Also Ryan can you come up with any conceivable scum motivation for me making the last minute swap to zealos happen? Even say I'm trying to save my buddy bh, why not swap to kush? And do you really think I would ever do something like that as scum? I'm pretty tired of being stuck in your tunnel, man.
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So what was BH breadcrumbing SnB? You must have some idea.
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On September 17 2013 02:39 Oatsmaster wrote:
sn0, you have been in game since the start, and you have 2 townreads that mirror thread sentiment. Good show.
I know right?
I told you, I just read 45 pages of game. It was gross. Everybody looked scummy or something. FWIW SnB pretty towns too.
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PS lots of retards had grack as scum o.o never me tho
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On September 17 2013 02:41 Oatsmaster wrote:
So what was BH breadcrumbing SnB? You must have some idea.
Check my filter, I think he was breadcrumbing SK with the SQ being for Squirtle.
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you know if I was really the SK I'd just claim vigi so you baddies wouldn't lynch me. i'd 100% have a vigi crumb ready. I wouldn't claim survivor at all. you're really don't get it do you
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Also 100% my role crumbs are never findable by people who aren't me. The very fact that you think you found a crumb that I didn't show you myself is evidence that it is not in fact the crumb. ok i stop posting now so you guys can play your game sry
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On September 17 2013 02:45 Old Partner wrote:
you know if I was really the SK I'd just claim vigi so you baddies wouldn't lynch me. i'd 100% have a vigi crumb ready. I wouldn't claim survivor at all. you're really don't get it do you
I, for one, am reasonably willing to believe you are a survivor. You are getting lynched though. Host would literally have to confirm you in-thread before I unvote you.
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On September 17 2013 02:36 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2013 02:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 17 2013 02:30 VayneAuthority wrote:
well likewise, if SnB is scum here he is not playing like sicilian at all. But aside from the meta differences, he is coming to smart conclusions and transparently trying to analyze the game. He also hasn't just written me off as scum so I'm biased here. Seems like he is one of the few people ACTUALLY TRYING TO SOLVE THE GAME.
I will get back to you on the lurker thing, there's too many replacements in this game and I got nothin' to work with really. Kush seemed scummy to me early because he was martyring and the blubb wagon just barely beat him out but I'm unsure on him now. He hasn't really given much to work with. Zealos seems like he doesn't give a shit about the game at all but that's not really enough to work with either. Could you point out some direct quotes from SnB's filter where he is trying to solve the game (do not bring BH into this, it's a good place to hide in case SnB is scum and BH is not)? Show nested quote +On September 16 2013 05:31 strongandbig wrote:
here's something people can respond to while i keep reading.
why are we totally ignoring zealos, despite him being the Wagon of Justice yesterday? No one has said a single thing that convinces me away from my interpretation of the differences between how he's played this game and how he played in those other two town games i posted links to. He hasn't engaged with this game at all except to poke at me occasionally. I'm pretty mystified by how no one has even mentioned him since yesterday. I still think he's scum. Show nested quote +On September 13 2013 03:18 strongandbig wrote:Hey guys Posting from phone in class Posting notes: + Show Spoiler +
Partner wants to know if I have a scum read on koshi
I don't like pandaman's role name reasoning. No reason hosts can't mix up the roles or give scum safe fake claims. Also from his post his opinions are basically easy ones - kush needs to straighten up. No lurking. Super scummy opening post IMO.
Then in his next post grack makes a decent attack but twists pandaman's argument - he didn't say lynch grack cause he's bad. He said lunch grack cause he's noncommittal.
Ppl talking about me finding debears smurf slip as coach. I clicked profile and last posts on his account. Not very hard to do.
I like Ryan's first four posts/entry into the thread. Okay wait maybe not - rayne is quibbling about old partners questions with koshi but asking about stupid things...
Rayen says that good karma looks good about the early day 1 quarrel - wtf where did this come from...
Ryan's reasons for saying that grack is scum are also terrible. And he keeps going on about panda in being better than old partner but they just feel completely different...
Anyway non rayne notes.
Fracks case on blubbdavod interesting . Go reread.
Wtf is up with snoman yelling about onegu
Here's the thing with Ryan. He argues and gets in people's faces and posts a million times as either alignment. The biggest difference is when he's scum he argues about things that don't matter and don't move the town forward, but when he's town he actually pushes on points that are important. Just compare his scum filter from game of thrones and compare that to his town filter from aperture 2, the difference is obvious. My first reaction is "this is scum Ryan". He's arguing a lot about old partners questions from early in the game but he's finding quibbles and there's no way what koshi thinks of those questions is remotely worth the amount of text Ryan puts in. Ditto for the arguing about whether grack could really have changed his mind for the reasons he said. I'm not sure about rayne though. For me it's always hard to figure him out for sure because of how constantly interactive he is even as scum. One other thing - I think panda in is scum. His post was that bad and opening posts are inportant. He had only easy scum opinions - lunch kush, lurkers bad - in that post. plus he has obviously bad reasoning on role names and bad justification for his town reads on me, va, and gk. like, what townie sees someone whose only comment on the main issues in the thread was "that's silly" and says "oh yes that guy is town, the whole thread really was a distraction." Plus I don't think vayne was moving the thread forward as much as shouting at people/being aggro, and it was really easy for me to click on papasmirf's profile button. None of those strike me as townie reasons for townreads. Right now I want to lynch pandaman's. however, before I vote I want to reread the blurb case as well. Anyway I have a problem set due tmo so I'm probably not gonna be voting until tomorrow morning. Show nested quote +On September 14 2013 05:18 strongandbig wrote:yeah i dont want to lynch kush right now. he's not playing like he did when we were scum together. when he's scum he tends to lurk but he also tends to be pretty aggressive with calling other people scum for no reason, especially his teammates. here he's actually engaging people's points: On September 13 2013 00:15 kushm4sta wrote:On September 12 2013 13:24 Pandain wrote:
Zealos seems town because if someone else was Isaac(who is very likely to be a character due to the fact he's the main party leader in the original GS, thanks Wikipedia!), then he would get counterclaimed. And Isaac isn't evil. I don't know if it's forbidden to reason like this, based on character names, but that's what I got.
Scum are given fake claims though! On September 13 2013 05:56 kushm4sta wrote:
WOW i haven't even finished reading the thread yet, but this shit coming from pandain about Isaac and what not is complete and utter garbage.
IT SAYS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ABOUT HIS ROLE....
Scum were given fake claims... i know this for a fact because I asked about it. On September 13 2013 11:22 kushm4sta wrote:
Also, just from kind of reading/skimming the thread so far, I really think OP and Panda are both terrible lynches. They are not the kind of people who I think make good d1 lynches.
You don't lynch people who are vocal, not spamming, good players on D1. All my mafia experience has taught me it always ends up lynching potentially useful town. (see WoS lynch d1 in persona).
On September 14 2013 04:08 kushm4sta wrote:
Rofl rayne you do this every game. Contradiction does not equal scum. You get tunneled on people for terrible reasons.
Your tunnel on snb looks exactly like your tunnel on wos in persona. Did you notice that? those are not the kind of posts i expect from scum kush. at the very least i dont want to lynch him yet. Show nested quote +On September 16 2013 06:45 strongandbig wrote:On September 16 2013 06:18 Koshi wrote:On September 16 2013 06:15 strongandbig wrote:On September 16 2013 06:10 Koshi wrote:On September 16 2013 05:53 strongandbig wrote:man i still want to lynch rayne. like, this doesn't strike me as a townie mindset: + Show Spoiler +On September 16 2013 04:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I do not need to make a case on anyone, i want to lynch OP today.
Isn't it annoying when a townie will not tell you what makes you scum? You probably need to kill me next night. On September 16 2013 05:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2013 04:40 Papa_Smurf wrote:
Btw I would love to know how I'm a main candidate without a single fucking real case on me.
The only case that has been presented is a kush case that was 1) wrong and 2) I debunked. tbh i do not understand that either. People who are voting for you should make a case. kush has a case but i do not think that's good and you have given an acceptable defence to it. I do not however understand why should i make a case on someone i do not even want to lynch today? if you think someone is scum, you should explain why... otherwise what if you die? what if your other case is wrong? and more importantly, it gives people more stances that they can use to read you. it's just, like, trying to get rayn lynched is going to take so much effort, and i have no idea if i'll gain any traction at all... i'm honestly a little less certain than I was yesterday, because rayn doesn't feel like he's been as aggressively and retardedly confrontational as I expect scum-him to be. but I really don't see how you can have 16 pages of filter as town and have your only real cases/pushes be the terrible tunnel on me that was based on nitpicking and misconstruing my posts, and now his push on OP that is entirely "there can't be two survivors". it's like, he if anyone would do all that yelling and bad arguing to try to get me mislynched as scum... but would he really? Can people talk to me here about rayn? + Show Spoiler +
I feel like zealos is obviscum though and would rather lynch him for the moment.
i need to reread bh's filter post-claim and see how I feel about his lynch. I could maybe get down with it, though, in large part because of the breadcrumb thing
. Lynching rayn is bad. Just play the game by rayn his rules and he will find the scummers eventually. Rayn was completely wrong about the scummers in his first 20 pages of filter in Persona. Then he got it right. There is nothing scummy about what rayn is doing. You might dislike that he is hunting you, but at least he is hunting. You are also not getting lynched so I don't really see why you are being so annoyed. btw, if there weren't people like rayn then you would go into lylo with a LOT LESS information. rayn hunts active posters in his games. Unlike others. i disagree. rayn makes the thread too long and hard to re-read and analyze in-depth. regardless of his alignment i think having him in a game hurts town. Yeah totally. Look at those first 2 days in aperture. Rayn didn't say shit and town really won the game there. town lost for reasons that had nothing to do with rayn in that game, he played fine. he didn't distract them by being a lynch prospect and he used his PR pretty well. On September 16 2013 06:29 Koshi wrote:On September 16 2013 06:15 strongandbig wrote:On September 16 2013 06:10 Koshi wrote:On September 16 2013 05:53 strongandbig wrote:man i still want to lynch rayne. like, this doesn't strike me as a townie mindset: + Show Spoiler +On September 16 2013 04:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I do not need to make a case on anyone, i want to lynch OP today.
Isn't it annoying when a townie will not tell you what makes you scum? You probably need to kill me next night. On September 16 2013 05:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2013 04:40 Papa_Smurf wrote:
Btw I would love to know how I'm a main candidate without a single fucking real case on me.
The only case that has been presented is a kush case that was 1) wrong and 2) I debunked. tbh i do not understand that either. People who are voting for you should make a case. kush has a case but i do not think that's good and you have given an acceptable defence to it. I do not however understand why should i make a case on someone i do not even want to lynch today? if you think someone is scum, you should explain why... otherwise what if you die? what if your other case is wrong? and more importantly, it gives people more stances that they can use to read you. it's just, like, trying to get rayn lynched is going to take so much effort, and i have no idea if i'll gain any traction at all... i'm honestly a little less certain than I was yesterday, because rayn doesn't feel like he's been as aggressively and retardedly confrontational as I expect scum-him to be. but I really don't see how you can have 16 pages of filter as town and have your only real cases/pushes be the terrible tunnel on me that was based on nitpicking and misconstruing my posts, and now his push on OP that is entirely "there can't be two survivors". it's like, he if anyone would do all that yelling and bad arguing to try to get me mislynched as scum... but would he really? Can people talk to me here about rayn? + Show Spoiler +
I feel like zealos is obviscum though and would rather lynch him for the moment.
i need to reread bh's filter post-claim and see how I feel about his lynch. I could maybe get down with it, though, in large part because of the breadcrumb thing
. Lynching rayn is bad. Just play the game by rayn his rules and he will find the scummers eventually. Rayn was completely wrong about the scummers in his first 20 pages of filter in Persona. Then he got it right. There is nothing scummy about what rayn is doing. You might dislike that he is hunting you, but at least he is hunting. You are also not getting lynched so I don't really see why you are being so annoyed. btw, if there weren't people like rayn then you would go into lylo with a LOT LESS information. rayn hunts active posters in his games. Unlike others. i disagree. rayn makes the thread too long and hard to re-read and analyze in-depth. regardless of his alignment i think having him in a game hurts town. This is such bullshit and such a cheap shot. Spewing bullshit like a monkey. Probably heard it somewhere else first? Fucking back this up? You can't. Rayn post a lot but that is a quality IN BOTH ALIGNMENTS. Nothing else. Fact that you can't keep up with it is your fault. Because you can't keep up. jubjub. what does his alignment have to do with it? I'm saying he plays that way as both alignments and as both alignments it hurts town. and it's not that i'm having trouble keeping up in this game, it's a mini and the speed is fine. it's that rayn jumps from one momentary interaction to the next so quickly that there's no time to analyze in depth and in context while keeping up with the thread. there is no way his filter can have a coherent narrative if it's constantly posting about every little thing that happens, and townies' filters should have coherent narratives because that's how you establish that you're town, and that's how you persuade people to follow your reads, and that's how you make an environment where it's hard for scum to stay hidden. but anyway we should probably argue about this post game because as we've both agreed, it has nothing to do with rayn's alignment. he plays this terrible spammy style as both town and scum. a few quotes from different parts of the game
First quote:
SnB is saying Zealos is playing differently from his town games. I asked him about it and he said "i agree, i can't point out how this is in line with his scum meta either". Now if this meta read (which is all he has according to his posts) makes Zealos scum, why doesn't kush's meta case on debears make debears scum? They are like 100% similar, based only on one side of a meta argument.
Second:
I don't think his meta read on me adds anything to the game. Some parts of it are just wrong (you should know that too). I think his case on Pandabearguy is not strong, and he never pushes it, actually he agrees with him later on. He had a weak scumread on you (or null), he never tries to question you after that. I don't see how that's contributing or adding anything.
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A townread. Okay, you have a point. But no scumreads.
Fourth:
Another meta read on me. Still he does not push me, and i ahve btw had a coherent narrative in my filter. He never asks me anything, ever. He does not want me to explain anything. He does not really push my lynch, why, if he thinks i am scum? It's fishy.
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On September 17 2013 02:46 Sn0_Man wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2013 02:45 Old Partner wrote:
you know if I was really the SK I'd just claim vigi so you baddies wouldn't lynch me. i'd 100% have a vigi crumb ready. I wouldn't claim survivor at all. you're really don't get it do you I, for one, am reasonably willing to believe you are a survivor. You are getting lynched though. Host would literally have to confirm you in-thread before I unvote you.
yeah it's a reasonable policy lynch. I can't really argue with lynching a 2nd survivor claim, it has to be done. it just sucks for me
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On September 17 2013 02:46 Old Partner wrote:
Also 100% my role crumbs are never findable by people who aren't me. The very fact that you think you found a crumb that I didn't show you myself is evidence that it is not in fact the crumb. ok i stop posting now so you guys can play your game sry
You're claiming you breadcrumbed the letter S.
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On September 17 2013 02:34 Sn0_Man wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2013 02:24 Oatsmaster wrote:
sn0 man, can you name 3 scum and why please No. I can give you like 2 townreads though (grack/dibbers). Errybody else is some varying degree of scummy/null. Obvious first lynch is OP despite his play actually making me see survivor there. Past that... Iunno I have to read filters not just the thread I think, but I wanna see how OP flips before doing that. Reading 45 pages of thread today was pretty boring TBH.
This is scummy as fuck!
He reads the thread and all he has to say is that he has 2 town reads. All his earlier scumreads faded away magically.
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Now that I think about it the only thing I can think of is that WoS is grossly, grossly incompetent. I thought he had been shot by scum and also RBed, but SnB was RBed. Unless town has a JK (possible) this means that scum shot someone else, or perhaps shot SnB (?) who was protected by the JK, or someone who got doctored or whatever...
And WoS, despite having a Hiding power, didn't use it N1 and got vigied. Like the level of incompetence it takes to do that is pretty staggering. ._.
If only he had hid! I'd still be alive~
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On September 17 2013 02:46 Sn0_Man wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2013 02:45 Old Partner wrote:
you know if I was really the SK I'd just claim vigi so you baddies wouldn't lynch me. i'd 100% have a vigi crumb ready. I wouldn't claim survivor at all. you're really don't get it do you I, for one, am reasonably willing to believe you are a survivor. You are getting lynched though. Host would literally have to confirm you in-thread before I unvote you.
anyway sn0 is scum. Confirmed
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On September 17 2013 02:48 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2013 02:46 Old Partner wrote:
Also 100% my role crumbs are never findable by people who aren't me. The very fact that you think you found a crumb that I didn't show you myself is evidence that it is not in fact the crumb. ok i stop posting now so you guys can play your game sry You're claiming you breadcrumbed the letter S.
Well it doesn't matter now but I'll admit I had zero plan of claiming Survivor ever this game. It's like almost never a good idea to do it. However, after realizing I had effectively broken smurf, I decided to claim, and fumbled around in my first post for something I could pass off as a crumb. It was an okay lie! plenty of people believed me, up until WoS died. I consider it a not-bad "Scramble" move all things considered.
In retrospect when playing 3p I should just crumb all kinds of shit so I have anything ready to go when I need it.
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I guess people still believe me now, which makes me feel good about myself, it's just that even the people who realize I am survivor can't reasonably unvote me for reasons of policy. I understand.
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