EPTAperture Mafia 2: Episode 2 - Page 171
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Risen
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Risen
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
On September 07 2013 06:32 Risen wrote: Lol anyone voting debears over OO right now is pretty much claiming scum for reasons I stated earlier. ? Care to explain it again, maybe use smaller words? Clearly I am not following. | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
Am I understanding you right? | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
On September 07 2013 02:40 Risen wrote: I don't know what you're not getting. The line of thinking is easy to follow. OO is lying > debears isn't dead and we lynched a liar. OO is telling the truth revealed when he dies > debears is dead let's not waste a lynch on a confirmed death. Also, why/how did OO know he was going to live long enough to use his day-vig ability? Doesn't seem like a dayvig would rely on living so long. Bolded the relevant portion as to why OO is scum. Debears is scum in on this plan because OO and debears were both looking really bad, and with so many people now gone making this play makes sense. Just look at debears reasoning for all this, he's clearly scum. | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
On September 07 2013 06:35 Clarity_nl wrote: Risen saying there's 5 people that claimed scum (and OO and debears are both scum) Am I understanding you right? I'm saying everyone who is present and has read the thread and my post outlining the double scum bus and still holds their vote on debears is scum. So yeah, if you understand what I'm saying in my bolded post and have read the thread and still choose to vote debears you're scum. Which makes sense since I probably called out OO's plan to later claim he was lying and get everyone to lynch debears. | ||
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AxleGreaser
Australia1154 Posts
On September 07 2013 02:47 austinmcc wrote: Onegu, WoS, and Zentor, would like to see what you guys think about this whole deal. Yeah me too.... | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
If both are scum, then scumdebears challenges scumOO ... for the town cred. If he gets OO lynched and OO ACTUALLY dayvigs debears, then scum just gave up TWO scum players for nothing. So ... you think that either OO's dayvig is fake (debears kills OO, gets towncred, and OO was scum so who cares if he lied about the vig) or you think ... debears is TRYING to get himself lynched so that OO looks good? | ||
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VisceraEyes
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
On September 07 2013 02:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: No Clarity, Risen's point is wrong. Whatever debears' alignment is, it does not make OO scum/town. If we lynch OO "to make sure scum dies" that's retarded. We lynch one of those two. The one who is more likely to flip mafia, regardless of their claimed powers. This is wrong for reasons I've already stated. At worst OO isn't a town dayvig, he's plain old scum claiming dayvig. Best case is he is mafia dayvig and he's also killing debears for us. Something tells me this isn't the case, though, and debears isn't going to die in the night and debears will claim to have been protected by something (vet, doctor role, whatever) | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
On September 07 2013 06:37 Risen wrote: I'm saying everyone who is present and has read the thread and my post outlining the double scum bus and still holds their vote on debears is scum. So yeah, if you understand what I'm saying in my bolded post and have read the thread and still choose to vote debears you're scum. Which makes sense since I probably called out OO's plan to later claim he was lying and get everyone to lynch debears. I'm not confident in OO being scum. For a minute I thought about a scum powerplay but it makes less and less sense the more I think about it. | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
On September 07 2013 02:44 Clarity_nl wrote: So you're really 100% on him flipping scum? This is a good point. UGH What happened to this? Rayn's bad point that didn't actually counteract my logic convinced you otherwise? | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
On September 07 2013 06:38 VisceraEyes wrote: I don't understand why a scum vig would rely on living so long. There are so few of them and so many townies - it seems like scum would be more inclined to use their shot wildly. See Chezinu LXI or whatever. Unless, as I've stated, it's a fake claim and he's plain mafia or mafia with a different role relying on us to lynch debears. | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
On September 07 2013 06:38 austinmcc wrote: What? If both are scum, then scumdebears challenges scumOO ... for the town cred. If he gets OO lynched and OO ACTUALLY dayvigs debears, then scum just gave up TWO scum players for nothing. So ... you think that either OO's dayvig is fake (debears kills OO, gets towncred, and OO was scum so who cares if he lied about the vig) [b]or you think ... debears is TRYING to get himself lynched so that OO looks good? You've got it. | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
I don't think they're both scum, with the way debears handled it. I think OO is town, so lynching debears and hoping he flips scum is the best play. | ||
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Clarity_nl
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AxleGreaser
Australia1154 Posts
On September 07 2013 06:31 Clarity_nl wrote: Ofcourse you should weigh in Axle.... I don't really understand it either but the shot makes no sense from either alignment. Just scratch it off as an emotional response I guess. Cool. So what the hell are people Lynching debears for? yeah I really wanted to see what happened with his nirvana strike and after the lynch if he doesn't die to a day vig I will reconsider whether he got any town cred at all and simply made a god awful play or not. OO however.... OMG what a way to throw a game as town? he is in duel has day vig power.... What to do what to do... I know YOLO Debears.. except it only happens after the lynch. OO as certain fact if town, decided he was so certain he would lose a duel with Debears that he used his power to make even more certain we would lynch him.... If OO was alive and claimed and said to town "I am day vig... I guess I am stuck in duel with Debears... I am certain I am town... I was a bit certain Debears was... but now you guys have to lynch one of us  . So as not to risk wasting my power treat today as double lynch and I will vig shoot anyone town tells me too via a ssecond vote in this thread...)"If he even tried to milk his day vig in anyway at all.... for information. Nope he YOLO'd and peace out. Lynch him.... | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
1) Debears lynched, OO claims his shot is gone. 2) OO lynched, we see OO flip and it turns out he was lying, Debears pretty much cleared. 3) OO lynched, we see OO flip and he's scum dayvig, his ability must be activated in PM though or some nonsense, Debears doesn't get hit claims he was protected. This is a last ditch plan due to shakiness but it doesn't have to get here because debears is the most likely one to get lynched. I'd say odds of happening are 1)75% 2)20% 3)5% This assumes a scum OO. If OO is town then shit is fucked. | ||
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cakepie
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Looking at the duel, trying to fathom the motivation behind each action but I might just be WIFOMing myself into utter confusion with that. Gah. Risen not helping with the power play speculations. So... I don't like the circumstances under which debears initiated the duel. It kills the variety of things we could be looking at and discussing -- considering that the free flip of alakaslam allowed us to refocus our attention away from slam onto other things. I mean, as town you'd have to be bloody sure you're picking your fight with scum, and yet debears On September 06 2013 11:18 debears wrote: Lynching for "functionality" and not scum Whatever the heck "functionality" means. This looked out of place to me. On September 07 2013 02:24 debears wrote: And I did the nirvana strike because 1) I'm certain that OO is scum 2) I want to get him lynched for towncred in a duel, seeing as the credit would be mine for his lynch 3) I want my arguments to be at the forefront, which they wouldn't necessarily be if everyone had spread out focus. The nirvana strike makes it impossible to spread out focus and puts us at the forefront (1) is apparently a contradition to earlier "not scum", which also irritates me. I.e. even without stepping into the realm of some possible scum power play from either or both of them, debears looks scummy for the above. Now lemme look at/think over the speculative stuff esp in the past couple pages | ||
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AxleGreaser
Australia1154 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + On September 07 2013 06:53 AxleGreaser wrote: Cool. So what the hell are people Lynching debears for? yeah I really wanted to see what happened with his nirvana strike and after the lynch if he doesn't die to a day vig I will reconsider whether he got any town cred at all and simply made a god awful play or not. OO however.... OMG what a way to throw a game as town? he is in duel has day vig power.... What to do what to do... I know YOLO Debears.. except it only happens after the lynch. OO as certain fact if town, decided he was so certain he would lose a duel with Debears that he used his power to make even more certain we would lynch him.... If OO was alive and claimed and said to town "I am day vig... I guess I am stuck in duel with Debears... I am certain I am town... I was a bit certain Debears was... but now you guys have to lynch one of us . So as not to risk wasting my power treat today as double lynch and I will vig shoot anyone town tells me too via a ssecond vote in this thread...)"If he even tried to milk his day vig in anyway at all.... for information. Nope he YOLO'd and peace out. Lynch him.... Sorry Lynch him.... (OO) and when the day vig doesn't happen Lynch Debears tomorrow. | ||
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