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Risen
United States7927 Posts
This is so fucking simple. It is SO. FUCKING. SIMPLE. Any town player looking at this who has the same limited information as me would agree here. This isn't even one of my usual crazy rants where I can in the back of my mind see that maybe I'm wrong if X, Y, Z happen to be true. This is the only logical choice. | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
Too many things just don't make sense for OO to be scum in this situation | ||
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cakepie
985 Posts
On September 07 2013 06:54 AxleGreaser wrote: Lynch him.... (OO) and when the day vig doesn't happen Lynch Debears tomorrow. The problem with this is that OO's delayed dayvig will kick in at D4 flip if I understand things correctly. Do we seriously wait until D5 to lynch debears? Can we actually last until then? | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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cakepie
985 Posts
On September 07 2013 07:02 cakepie wrote: The problem with this is that OO's delayed dayvig will kick in at D4 flip if I understand things correctly. Do we seriously wait until D5 to lynch debears? Can we actually last until then? ebwop by which I mean together with the D4 lynch flip | ||
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AxleGreaser
Australia1154 Posts
Is he certain he is going to lose the duel? If he is not then he could well just have wasted the shot. There is no plausible town reason to shoot Debears as town... when Its debars vs you in a lynch. To do it as part of your own defence, when the veracity of it is not even known until after the flip... is unfathomable and has no plausible town explanation. OO is scum lynch him. | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
On September 07 2013 07:03 AxleGreaser wrote: Why would town OO shoot debears? Is he certain he is going to lose the duel? If he is not then he could well just have wasted the shot. There is no plausible town reason to shoot Debears as town... when Its debars vs you in a lynch. To do it as part of your own defence, when the veracity of it is not even known until after the flip... is unfathomable and has no plausible town explanation. OO is scum lynch him. You're saying he wouldn't do it as town so he's scum, but explain why he would do it as scum. Do you believe they're both scum, Axle? | ||
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AxleGreaser
Australia1154 Posts
On September 07 2013 07:02 cakepie wrote: The problem with this is that OO's delayed dayvig will kick in at D4 flip if I understand things correctly. Do we seriously wait until D5 to lynch debears? Can we actually last until then? Not deciding tommorows lynch today... just making sure town does not get tunnelled that if OO flips scum that makes debears more towny just because... | ||
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ShiaoPi
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
On September 07 2013 06:56 Clarity_nl wrote: No one is disagreeing that his shot is fucking dumb. But as you say it would make it even more certain that we would lynch him, where's the scum motivation there? Is debears really the best shot for scum OO to make if he was just going to peace out? Like, there's no thought there, just raw emotional shot. Wouldn't a scum dayvig select a better target? It's just pure emotion. Too many things just don't make sense for OO to be scum in this situation Except the part where he comes in with a small amount of time left in the day and says "Oh just kidding I was lying about the dayvig. I just didn't want you all to kill me." Or the part where he has you fooled apparently. Or the part where scum make mistakes too. Or the part where sure now OO gets lynched but that pretty much clears debears when he flips NOT mafia dayvig or semi-clears him when he flips mafia day-vig and claims to have been protected or ignorance as to why he wasn't hit | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
I'm not overthinking it. OO's shot makes no sense from either alignment, if he's scum why not see how the lynch goes and only shoot someone if it turns out he's gonna get lynched? He made an emotional play, which alignment is more likely to do that? | ||
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AxleGreaser
Australia1154 Posts
On September 07 2013 06:31 Clarity_nl wrote: Ofcourse you should weigh in Axle.... I don't really understand it either but the shot makes no sense from either alignment. Just scratch it off as an emotional response I guess. Really? Scratch it off as an emotional response? With people who have a meta as such (emotional ill considered actions) maybe... (which is why theyd be potential policy lynches) Surely OO can play, could have thought through his action? There are ways it can make sense as scum... Almost anything can as scum... How does it hurt scum to do that? (fake claim a day vig shot?) | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
On September 07 2013 07:11 AxleGreaser wrote: Really? Scratch it off as an emotional response? With people who have a meta as such (emotional ill considered actions) maybe... (which is why theyd be potential policy lynches) Surely OO can play, could have thought through his action? There are ways it can make sense as scum... Almost anything can as scum... How does it hurt scum to do that? (fake claim a day vig shot?) Because everyone is willing to lynch him immediately? Why would he fake it, let alone fake it on the only other guy that can be lynched. | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
So scum OO either dayvigges a terrible target and guarantees him being lynched, or fakes a dayvig shot to guarantee him getting lynched? | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
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AxleGreaser
Australia1154 Posts
On September 07 2013 06:41 Clarity_nl wrote: I'm not confident in OO being scum. For a minute I thought about a scum powerplay but it makes less and less sense the more I think about it. and if he is not scum then OO wasted his power utterly...... ? wasted? yes wasted. If OO is not scum (thus hes telling the truth) and you believe him and lynch Dbears then OOs power is wasted. How non town motivated do you want players actions to be before you will lynch him.... You wanted to lynch Alakslam when all he did was press a randomiser that probably just moved items from townies to townies.. How you dont want to Lynch OO for a much scummier action? (wasting a Day vig) BTW there will be no Day vig if hes scum... | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
You can't tell me this is scum OO expecting to survive, that makes NO sense. | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
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ShiaoPi
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
On September 07 2013 07:23 Clarity_nl wrote: So now you're saying scum OO dayvigged debears with the expectation of possibly getting debears lynched? I realize that's happening but that's not something you foresee. Either you believe scum OO gave up and shot debears (a bad target) or town OO making an emotional play and shooting his scumread. You can't tell me this is scum OO expecting to survive, that makes NO sense. Why not.... This is something I would do in a fucking heartbeat. | ||
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