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On September 07 2013 07:13 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2013 07:11 AxleGreaser wrote:On September 07 2013 06:31 Clarity_nl wrote:Ofcourse you should weigh in Axle.... On September 07 2013 06:27 Stutters695 wrote:
I'm here on and off. You guys think OO is town? I'm on the fence about both of them but I just can't reconcile why he would shoot when he did. I don't really understand it either but the shot makes no sense from either alignment. Just scratch it off as an emotional response I guess. Really? Scratch it off as an emotional response? With people who have a meta as such (emotional ill considered actions) maybe... (which is why theyd be potential policy lynches) Surely OO can play, could have thought through his action? There are ways it can make sense as scum... Almost anything can as scum... How does it hurt scum to do that? (fake claim a day vig shot?) Because everyone is willing to lynch him immediately? Why would he fake it, let alone fake it on the only other guy that can be lynched.
Why do it as town...? There is no reason. no good reason at all
It was about that point (when OO claimed Day vig shot on DB.) when I most seriously started to consider OO was trying to get lynched to make DB look good.
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On September 07 2013 07:22 AxleGreaser wrote:
BTW there will be no Day vig if hes scum...
Explain this please, this seems to only make sense if they're both scum.
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On September 07 2013 07:25 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2013 07:22 AxleGreaser wrote:
BTW there will be no Day vig if hes scum...
Explain this please, this seems to only make sense if they're both scum.
It means the dayvig claim is fake. Which is what I've been trying to get through to you.
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On September 07 2013 07:26 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2013 07:25 Clarity_nl wrote:On September 07 2013 07:22 AxleGreaser wrote:
BTW there will be no Day vig if hes scum...
Explain this please, this seems to only make sense if they're both scum. It means the dayvig claim is fake. Which is what I've been trying to get through to you.
Yeah, which only makes sense if they're both scum which I do not buy. If they're both scum there was no need to fake a dayvig shot.
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On September 07 2013 07:26 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2013 07:26 Risen wrote:On September 07 2013 07:25 Clarity_nl wrote:On September 07 2013 07:22 AxleGreaser wrote:
BTW there will be no Day vig if hes scum...
Explain this please, this seems to only make sense if they're both scum. It means the dayvig claim is fake. Which is what I've been trying to get through to you. Yeah, which only makes sense if they're both scum which I do not buy. If they're both scum there was no need to fake a dayvig shot.
We're going in circles now. You seem convinced that a clever play is out of their reach. You're defending this too hard, and I ask again, why?
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TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5955 Posts
we still need 7 votes to lynch right?
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On September 07 2013 07:25 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2013 07:23 Clarity_nl wrote:
So now you're saying scum OO dayvigged debears with the expectation of possibly getting debears lynched? I realize that's happening but that's not something you foresee. Either you believe scum OO gave up and shot debears (a bad target) or town OO making an emotional play and shooting his scumread.
You can't tell me this is scum OO expecting to survive, that makes NO sense. Why not.... This is something I would do in a fucking heartbeat. ^
This whole time all I can do is remember CT mafia and your fake claim that turned out to work in your favor. I don't know that you're the go-to guy for sensible scum play.
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On September 07 2013 07:04 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2013 07:03 AxleGreaser wrote:
Why would town OO shoot debears?
Is he certain he is going to lose the duel? If he is not then he could well just have wasted the shot.
There is no plausible town reason to shoot Debears as town... when Its debars vs you in a lynch.
To do it as part of your own defence, when the veracity of it is not even known until after the flip...
is unfathomable
and has no plausible town explanation.
OO is scum lynch him.
You're saying he wouldn't do it as town so he's scum, but explain why he would do it as scum. Do you believe they're both scum, Axle?
I believe either they are both scum.... or OO wants me to think that.
It will take me several hours of poring over Debears posts to decide for sure.
I dont buy the emotional.. knee jerk reaction 'Oh I am being voted in a duel what do what do... I know lash out the mean man who voted/dueled me. '
For OO to not think through that if you win the duel now your power is wasted is just..... implausible (for OO)
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TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5955 Posts
ugh I wanted to sleep soon.
look clarity why is it impossible for OO to think like proposed here?
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Risen's all about telling us what he would do if he were scum. I find that a little alarming. I can't verbalize why.
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On September 07 2013 07:29 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2013 07:25 Risen wrote:On September 07 2013 07:23 Clarity_nl wrote:
So now you're saying scum OO dayvigged debears with the expectation of possibly getting debears lynched? I realize that's happening but that's not something you foresee. Either you believe scum OO gave up and shot debears (a bad target) or town OO making an emotional play and shooting his scumread.
You can't tell me this is scum OO expecting to survive, that makes NO sense. Why not.... This is something I would do in a fucking heartbeat. ^ This whole time all I can do is remember CT mafia and your fake claim that turned out to work in your favor. I don't know that you're the go-to guy for sensible scum play.
There shouldn't be such a thing at all. Scum should make outlandish plays because in the end scum can't truly scum hunt. Scum relies on big plays and town mistakes to make it to the endgame.
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On September 07 2013 07:30 VisceraEyes wrote:
Risen's all about telling us what he would do if he were scum. I find that a little alarming. I can't verbalize why.
Is it because I can take myself and put myself into an outsider's perspective? Too often people don't consider things from other people's POV
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On September 07 2013 07:29 ShiaoPi wrote:
ugh I wanted to sleep soon.
look clarity why is it impossible for OO to think like proposed here?
It's not impossible it's just damn implausible. The scenario of OO being town makes more sense to me.
Yes, the shot is terrible either way, but if they're both scum the dayvig claim would never have happened. It just makes no sense. If debears is town and OO is scum the dayvig makes no sense either because there are better targets.
Only in a scenario where OO is emotional town does his shot make sense to me.
Since I think OO is town, I think his shot is real, which means debears is the better lynch.
This situation sucks, but I don't see big scumplays happening here.
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On September 07 2013 07:29 AxleGreaser wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2013 07:04 Clarity_nl wrote:On September 07 2013 07:03 AxleGreaser wrote:
Why would town OO shoot debears?
Is he certain he is going to lose the duel? If he is not then he could well just have wasted the shot.
There is no plausible town reason to shoot Debears as town... when Its debars vs you in a lynch.
To do it as part of your own defence, when the veracity of it is not even known until after the flip...
is unfathomable
and has no plausible town explanation.
OO is scum lynch him.
You're saying he wouldn't do it as town so he's scum, but explain why he would do it as scum. Do you believe they're both scum, Axle? I believe either they are both scum.... or OO wants me to think that. It will take me several hours of poring over Debears posts to decide for sure. I dont buy the emotional.. knee jerk reaction 'Oh I am being voted in a duel what do what do... I know lash out the mean man who voted/dueled me. ' For OO to not think through that if you win the duel now your power is wasted is just..... implausible (for OO)
Like if OO had a gun, why didn't he just shoot debears anyway? Why wait until something like this happened?
I'm starting to doubt now. :/
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On September 07 2013 07:25 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2013 07:22 AxleGreaser wrote:
BTW there will be no Day vig if hes scum...
Explain this please, this seems to only make sense if they're both scum.
yes I chucked that in.
My best working theory is they are both scum and if I left the thread alone, especially if the thread got the vote count so that one outcome or another was plausible, the other scum would throw their weight behind getting one or the other lynched and securing town cred for the survivor.
My best working theory is when it all started scum thought OO would get lynched.
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TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5955 Posts
fuck it, I wanna sleep and not wake up to no lynch tmr...
##unvote
##vote: debears
if he aint red I am gonna be pissed.
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On September 07 2013 06:56 Risen wrote:
Axle has an extremely good point. Town OO would shoot someone who he is NOT up against, debears would get lynched, town would see his hit go through and move on from there.
This is so fucking simple. It is SO. FUCKING. SIMPLE.
Any town player looking at this who has the same limited information as me would agree here. This isn't even one of my usual crazy rants where I can in the back of my mind see that maybe I'm wrong if X, Y, Z happen to be true. This is the only logical choice.
it is that simple...
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TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5955 Posts
wait, anyone knows how many of us are in this thread?
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You guys keep rehashing the same arguments where IT MAKES NO SENSE AS TOWN THEREFORE SCUM.
But that's not a damn argument, it has to make sense as scum. Risen saying "scum don't have to make sense they just need big plays" is freaking deluded.
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