EPTOn September 07 2013 07:40 ShiaoPi wrote:
wait, anyone knows how many of us are in this thread?
wait, anyone knows how many of us are in this thread?
13, 7 to lynch
Aperture Mafia 2: Episode 2 - Page 174
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
13, 7 to lynch | ||
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ShiaoPi
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
fuck my brain isnt working right now. looks like some still need to vote in that case we still might get OO. ##unvote ##vote: ObviousOne I am out | ||
Risen
United States7927 Posts
On September 07 2013 07:39 ShiaoPi wrote: fuck it, I wanna sleep and not wake up to no lynch tmr... ##unvote ##vote: debears if he aint red I am gonna be pissed. Lol he's read. Debears being red isn't in question here. Whether or not OO is red has always been the question. What are you doing? Is this the too absurd to be scum play? | ||
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AxleGreaser
Australia1154 Posts
Where is OO? Why is he not playing? How are you ever going to be sure he is town? | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
On September 07 2013 07:45 ShiaoPi wrote: oh wait we are not just ten with deadlock on fuck my brain isnt working right now. looks like some still need to vote in that case we still might get OO. ##unvote ##vote: ObviousOne I am out I would fall for this ShiaoPi if I hadn't already made the exact same play. | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
On September 07 2013 07:46 AxleGreaser wrote: People voting to save OO... and then never see if he lied. Where is OO? Why is he not playing? How are you ever going to be sure he is town? I dunno, the regular way perhaps? | ||
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ShiaoPi
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
On September 07 2013 07:45 Risen wrote: Lol he's read. Debears being red isn't in question here. Whether or not OO is red has always been the question. What are you doing? Is this the too absurd to be scum play? phoneposting late at night and shizzles turn out to be not the best working conditions. Guys who are not voting yet go jump on OO. really out now | ||
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AxleGreaser
Australia1154 Posts
On September 07 2013 07:26 Clarity_nl wrote: Yeah, which only makes sense if they're both scum which I do not buy. If they're both scum there was no need to fake a dayvig shot. Yeah it does... If they are both scum... it looks like way to ensure Oo gets lynched as its so daft. If instead it gets believed or WIFOM'd as an emotional play... then how does it hurt ? If Only OO is scum, same logic applies except it requires scum to make an error under pressure. (over look how daft the play is) Why not make an error like that as town? because you have had your Pm for the whole game and being trying to look for the best opportunity to use it wisely to help your win con. Yuo are way more likely to and have had time to consider when and why you'd use your power. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
I don't think you can just go "fake emotional play" here when half our D1 was geript flipping out and then being town. But debears at least stuck around and explained his action, and his posts read to me like he legitimate thinks what he did was a good idea. OO used his post-nonsense time to do this: + Show Spoiler + On September 06 2013 14:49 ObviousOne wrote: 3. MrZentor - null to town, liked this post a lot for townfeels. worth checking into more. For some reason I remember him being a wily scum in a game I read, but this is like me remembering the aura of his style and I don't know what game it was. Not feeling that tricksyness coming from him but keep an eye out. 4. Cephiro - didn't like the early riddles, seemed to reach the same idea as my RE: Vayne=3p, looks more and more town the further down the filter you go. mad town feels from this post. might have wanted to interview him but he's somewhere else today. 11. WaveofShadow - shamefully null on him, and I don't like it. If there's a third 3rd-party in this game I might pin it on him but no use chasing that. 14. coag - ???? who? 16. austinmcc - he's full of questions today, turn the tables and grill him back. I want to see him on the candidates list tomorrow and see where that goes. 17. debears - dying scum 19. Risen - daaaaaaaaazed and confused, I don't know how to choose. I'd say null to mafia but he has a special kind of innocence about him, so town. 22. ShiaoPi - kill with fire, please. please. pretty please. If I had another bullet I would send it here. Look at that filter. Look at it. LOOK. Then kill it with fire. 25. randombum - I just hate his very first post. His recent posting looks pretty good over in the other thread. 29. HiroPro - scum for pushing this bullshit, joke's on you, I want you up tomorrow, too. 26. VisceraEyes Died Night 1, and was resurrected Day 2 - handsome feller [dat beard], never lynch this guy Omitted people I feel are obvtown. Not entirely comprehensive but we can talk about tomorrow's lynch while you decide which of me and debears you want dead today. #vote: ObviousOne | ||
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cakepie
985 Posts
debears {town, scum} x oo {town true dayvig, scum true dayvig, scum fake dayvig} (A) if debears scum, OO scum true dayvig, the dayvig play is completely unnecessary. Either one can reap towncred by the other getting lynched. in fact in a premeditated play, OO could use the dayvig in "better" way to gain even morer towncred if debears lynched. Not terribly plausible. (B) if debears scum, OO scum fake dayvig, this is ridiculously risky and banks heavily on debears getting lynched so that OO gets props for it while also disguising the fake dayvig. slight problem here is that the only way to see OO's poor choice of dayvig shot as a town move is if it were an emotional response. With scum being pretty ahead this game, I don't see why scum would want to make a risky move like this. (C) if debears scum, OO town true dayvig, I can see OO trying to think about things but buckling under pressure from Risen to shoot debears (remember Risen was pushing OO but under incorrect understanding of how the dayvig works) (D) if debears town, OO scum true dayvig... see (A) (E) if debears town, OO scum fake dayvig... that's would be a really really strange thing for OO to do. Other options might be unlikely; this one is nearly unthinkable. (F) if both town: we've fucked ourselves over yo (C) is really the only reason why I'm not all gogogo on voting OO right now. | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
On September 07 2013 07:54 AxleGreaser wrote: Yeah it does... If they are both scum... it looks like way to ensure Oo gets lynched as its so daft. If instead it gets believed or WIFOM'd as an emotional play... then how does it hurt ? If Only OO is scum, same logic applies except it requires scum to make an error under pressure. (over look how daft the play is) Why not make an error like that as town? because you have had your Pm for the whole game and being trying to look for the best opportunity to use it wisely to help your win con. Yuo are way more likely to and have had time to consider when and why you'd use your power. Maybe I just have trouble putting myself in someone elses shoes if that were the case, because if I'm scum and I have a delayed dayvig ability I don't just suddenly blow it when I'm feeling pressure, whereas if I'm town I might. Why? Because as town I feel like I'm trying to win the game alone, whereas if I'm scum it's a team effort. Both alignments think about how to use their abilities the best they can all game long, no? This shot makes sense from neither alignment. I think OO looks town if you ignore the shot. Yeah the vote on debears is odd but look at his post on cakepie. debears on the other hand, called austin scum and said he didn't need to use nirvana strike to get him lynched, but then OMGUS nirvana strikes OO, with his reasons being: "I want towncred" and "I didn't wanna look like I was sheeping" | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
Wave/Zentor/Onegu, still interested in your thoughts on what happened in this thread. | ||
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Stutters695
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AxleGreaser
Australia1154 Posts
On September 07 2013 08:00 Clarity_nl wrote: Maybe I just have trouble putting myself in someone elses shoes if that were the case, because if I'm scum and I have a delayed dayvig ability I don't just suddenly blow it when I'm feeling pressure, whereas if I'm town I might. Why? Because as town I feel like I'm trying to win the game alone, whereas if I'm scum it's a team effort. Both alignments think about how to use their abilities the best they can all game long, no? This shot makes sense from neither alignment. I think OO looks town if you ignore the shot. Yeah the vote on debears is odd but look at his post on cakepie. debears on the other hand, called austin scum and said he didn't need to use nirvana strike to get him lynched, but then OMGUS nirvana strikes OO, with his reasons being: "I want towncred" and "I didn't wanna look like I was sheeping" + Show Spoiler + Sometimes as town I dfeel like i am trying to win the game alone too, buthen my rational mind reminds me thats not true. I do undertsand at least some people wont take the second rational step and just keep YOLOing day vig, and nirvanna strike, forever. (this town did run a this town aint big enough game where that was the cultural norm) Both alignments do think about how to use their powers all game long. Regarding powers town and scum ACTUALLY have.... Scum think about how to use them to help scum. town think about how to use them to help town. Scum suddenly trying to fake a town motivation for the use get it wrong more often. Scum do not think that much about how to use powers they might under some conditions oneday fake claim. Also scum OO has fake claimed rather well.... If we lynch him no harm done. If we lynch DB then we can no longer verify whether he did or did not have that power... If OO, is scum, Nothing wrong ... | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
On September 07 2013 08:13 Stutters695 wrote: I'm voting oo. he's the better choice ...??? Look at this. There's like 6 paragraphs of text above this post explaining why he's not the best choice and this is all you have to say Stutters? | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
On September 07 2013 08:14 AxleGreaser wrote: + Show Spoiler + Sometimes as town I dfeel like i am trying to win the game alone too, buthen my rational mind reminds me thats not true. I do undertsand at least some people wont take the second rational step and just keep YOLOing day vig, and nirvanna strike, forever. (this town did run a this town aint big enough game where that was the cultural norm) Both alignments do think about how to use their powers all game long. Regarding powers town and scum ACTUALLY have.... Scum think about how to use them to help scum. town think about how to use them to help town. Scum suddenly trying to fake a town motivation for the use get it wrong more often. Scum do not think that much about how to use powers they might under some conditions oneday fake claim. Also scum OO has fake claimed rather well.... If we lynch him no harm done. If we lynch DB then we can no longer verify whether he did or did not have that power... If OO, is scum, Nothing wrong ... Accept the possibility of the shot coming from town for one damn second. Ignore the shot, look at OO's play. Does he look like scum? Now look at debears. If OO flips scum all is well and good, if he flips town we are screwed. How many mislynches do we have left you reckon? | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
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AxleGreaser
Australia1154 Posts
On September 07 2013 08:14 Clarity_nl wrote: ...??? Look at this. There's like 6 paragraphs of text above this post explaining why he's not the best choice and this is all you have to say Stutters? There is also an enormous bunch of stuff saying why he is.... but today to merely say "he's the better choice" and not even bother choosing just which bits of reasoning convinced you... WTF? | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
This stutters vote without explanation should ring some alarmbells for people though. | ||
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Netherlands6826 Posts
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