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Yeah, I can see the point about cheating. Even if it's pro-town, it's not in the spirit of the game. And it would have been MORE pro-town to convince everyone of himself being town.
Although you could argue that Ace trolling the game and killing himself was an equally anti-town action (he didn't even know he was going to be Lord KP'd, so it couldn't have been a similar pro-town action). So maybe it's equal now? Even if both Ace and Mocsta "helped" town with their suicides in hindsight, Mocsta at least had a "noble" goal, while Ace did not.
What I'm trying to say is: Mocsta at least tried to establish his innocence and then committed suicide when he couldn't handle it anymore. Ace didn't even try and then just killed himself for no good reason.
But it would have been better if Nacho and jrkirby hadn't lurked their way to replacement to begin with. That's the ultimate cause of this. And Ace not caring about the game and Mocsta failing despite trying first, I guess.
I hope we can continue the game despite two cases of cheating already. It makes the game less enjoyable, certainly, but we've invested so much time in it already that I don't want to see it all go to waste.
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Also Mocsta stop PM'ing me, that's your second breach of the rules -.-
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I can't answer because I don't want to get modkilled myself......
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what is he saying?
also...Chrom have you thought some more about the Risen v Xatalos stuff I was telling you about earlier?
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He pmed me earlier too, was really tempting to respond, oh well.
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To get back to the actual game.......
I think it's safest to lynch Sharrant now. Even if there's a small chance of being framed, miller etc.... It's just pretty unlikely. AND Sharrant hasn't really done anything in addition to using(?) his role. It's simply starting to look like this was some sort of scum powerplay.
And johnnywup should be shot tonight.
Unless there's some sort of penalty to town for what Mocsta did? Dunno. Gotta wait for hosts to make a judgement call I guess.
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Mocsta, you're not modkilled yet. I can't risk my perfect history of never being warned/banned/modkilled/etc. on any website by PMing :/
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On August 18 2013 01:30 s0Lstice wrote:
what is he saying?
also...Chrom have you thought some more about the Risen v Xatalos stuff I was telling you about earlier?
Can't say, it would be cheating I guess?
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On August 18 2013 01:30 s0Lstice wrote:
what is he saying?
also...Chrom have you thought some more about the Risen v Xatalos stuff I was telling you about earlier?
What do you refer to with Risen vs Xatalos?
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On August 18 2013 01:20 s0Lstice wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2013 01:10 Chromatically wrote:On August 18 2013 01:02 s0Lstice wrote:On August 18 2013 00:50 Chromatically wrote:Lynch Risen today? In addition to everything I said yesterday, there's the Vivax association. Risen calls Vivax a scumread in PMs, but doesn't have coherent reasons for it (scum don't want to read their scumbuddies). And, he never pushes Vivax in thread and only consolidates onto the vote when the lynch is clear.
As far as Sharrant goes, what do you think about this?
So your idea is that Sharrant, before bussing his scumbuddy yamato, FAKECLAIMED cop to Acro to ask for his opinion? And he was just going to hope that Acro suggested yamato, so that way he could LIE and say he was checking kush, before actually bussing yamato???
I think this is highly unlikely if Sharrant is scum. It's a dumb move for town, but I can't see scum doing this with a town Acro. Maybe it's a big play where they're both scum, but that's just unnecessary. I also don't see why scum would invent the "HP check even days". I agree that it's unlikely that Mocsta was framed, but I think it's less likely that Sharrant is faking all of this. Obviously irrelevant if he flips miller. Yes, I agree that it would be pretty outrageous from a scum Sharrant and town Acro point of view. I don't think it would be that crazy if they were both scum. Scum do what they think will make them win. Anyway, I don't really love pre-flip connections. The bolded isn't entirely true. Risen voted and said the lynch was Vivax right around when I did, and I was at the very beginning of the wagon. He didn't push it all that hard, but to say he consolidated when it was clear isn't entirely right. I'm not a fan of preflip connections either, but this isn't one. I don't see a reason for Sharrant to do this as scum either way, It's possible, but there's just no benefit. That's true, I was going from memory on "lynch in the clear". The main point is that he had a large scumread on Vivax ("#1"), but he never pushed it in-thread, even when he was on the lynch. He voted SnB and Sharrant before actually voting Vivax. Hmm. I do agree that it isn't the likely scenario on Sharrant. I would really feel a lot better though if I had any sort of notion that he cared about the game outside of his checks. On Risen, I think he was super unsure. It's just like the s&b discussion earlier. His vote and his interests are all over the place, and he will be pushing multiple things in a short period of time. Really difficult to say as we would typically that this guy is scum for not pushing his #1 scum read, because what does #1 scum read really mean for Risen if it lasts all of 5 minutes?
If we really assume that Risen changes his reads every 5 minutes, then it'll be impossible to tell if he's scum. Any time he has a read contradiction, someone can say "he does that as town too". It just invalidates all his reads. Scum Risen could literally say any read he wanted to for no reason and he would get away with it.
He had a unreasoned scumread on Vivax that he never pushed. That is a clear association that doesn't make sense from a town perspective. Add to that everything else he's done that doesn't make sense from anyone thinking about the game.
On August 18 2013 01:30 s0Lstice wrote:
what is he saying?
also...Chrom have you thought some more about the Risen v Xatalos stuff I was telling you about earlier?
I did, and I don't think it's alignment indicative.
I can't see the PMs in question, so I don't know exactly what made you think that Risen forgot about the Vivax lynch, but I think it could very easily be Risen just assuming that Vivax was done for, instead of actually forgetting.
He just really wants to push Xat, so he sends out the PMs, assuming that everyone would understand he was talking about tomorrow (given that Vivax is already dead). And then he sends out the second round just to make sure everyone knew.
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On August 17 2013 23:31 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2013 23:08 Xatalos wrote:
rayn, who do you propose outside of snb/Mocsta/johnnywup? Mocsta and johnnywup are half-dead so no point in lynching them. Really you have to ask him? You not been following? Also I shared info I had how come I dont get to bee a seal? Second risen was pushing a sharrant lynch hard in thread and thats who he wanted dead in PMs also.
Sorry, but you lack info about a couple of things to be considered one of us seals :/
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On August 18 2013 01:33 Xatalos wrote:
To get back to the actual game.......
I think it's safest to lynch Sharrant now. Even if there's a small chance of being framed, miller etc.... It's just pretty unlikely. AND Sharrant hasn't really done anything in addition to using(?) his role. It's simply starting to look like this was some sort of scum powerplay.
And johnnywup should be shot tonight.
Unless there's some sort of penalty to town for what Mocsta did? Dunno. Gotta wait for hosts to make a judgement call I guess.
What do you think about the "even day HP check" thing?
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On August 18 2013 01:45 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2013 01:33 Xatalos wrote:
To get back to the actual game.......
I think it's safest to lynch Sharrant now. Even if there's a small chance of being framed, miller etc.... It's just pretty unlikely. AND Sharrant hasn't really done anything in addition to using(?) his role. It's simply starting to look like this was some sort of scum powerplay.
And johnnywup should be shot tonight.
Unless there's some sort of penalty to town for what Mocsta did? Dunno. Gotta wait for hosts to make a judgement call I guess. What do you think about the "even day HP check" thing?
Possible, even though somewhat odd. I guess we'll see the truth once he flips.
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On August 18 2013 01:47 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2013 01:45 Chromatically wrote:On August 18 2013 01:33 Xatalos wrote:
To get back to the actual game.......
I think it's safest to lynch Sharrant now. Even if there's a small chance of being framed, miller etc.... It's just pretty unlikely. AND Sharrant hasn't really done anything in addition to using(?) his role. It's simply starting to look like this was some sort of scum powerplay.
And johnnywup should be shot tonight.
Unless there's some sort of penalty to town for what Mocsta did? Dunno. Gotta wait for hosts to make a judgement call I guess. What do you think about the "even day HP check" thing? Possible, even though somewhat odd. I guess we'll see the truth once he flips.
ha
I think he's the second best lynch because of the unlikeliness of Mocsta framed/miller, but I think the scenario where he's scum is fairly unlikely too.
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On August 18 2013 01:43 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2013 01:20 s0Lstice wrote:On August 18 2013 01:10 Chromatically wrote:On August 18 2013 01:02 s0Lstice wrote:On August 18 2013 00:50 Chromatically wrote:Lynch Risen today? In addition to everything I said yesterday, there's the Vivax association. Risen calls Vivax a scumread in PMs, but doesn't have coherent reasons for it (scum don't want to read their scumbuddies). And, he never pushes Vivax in thread and only consolidates onto the vote when the lynch is clear.
As far as Sharrant goes, what do you think about this?
So your idea is that Sharrant, before bussing his scumbuddy yamato, FAKECLAIMED cop to Acro to ask for his opinion? And he was just going to hope that Acro suggested yamato, so that way he could LIE and say he was checking kush, before actually bussing yamato???
I think this is highly unlikely if Sharrant is scum. It's a dumb move for town, but I can't see scum doing this with a town Acro. Maybe it's a big play where they're both scum, but that's just unnecessary. I also don't see why scum would invent the "HP check even days". I agree that it's unlikely that Mocsta was framed, but I think it's less likely that Sharrant is faking all of this. Obviously irrelevant if he flips miller. Yes, I agree that it would be pretty outrageous from a scum Sharrant and town Acro point of view. I don't think it would be that crazy if they were both scum. Scum do what they think will make them win. Anyway, I don't really love pre-flip connections. The bolded isn't entirely true. Risen voted and said the lynch was Vivax right around when I did, and I was at the very beginning of the wagon. He didn't push it all that hard, but to say he consolidated when it was clear isn't entirely right. I'm not a fan of preflip connections either, but this isn't one. I don't see a reason for Sharrant to do this as scum either way, It's possible, but there's just no benefit. That's true, I was going from memory on "lynch in the clear". The main point is that he had a large scumread on Vivax ("#1"), but he never pushed it in-thread, even when he was on the lynch. He voted SnB and Sharrant before actually voting Vivax. Hmm. I do agree that it isn't the likely scenario on Sharrant. I would really feel a lot better though if I had any sort of notion that he cared about the game outside of his checks. On Risen, I think he was super unsure. It's just like the s&b discussion earlier. His vote and his interests are all over the place, and he will be pushing multiple things in a short period of time. Really difficult to say as we would typically that this guy is scum for not pushing his #1 scum read, because what does #1 scum read really mean for Risen if it lasts all of 5 minutes? If we really assume that Risen changes his reads every 5 minutes, then it'll be impossible to tell if he's scum. Any time he has a read contradiction, someone can say "he does that as town too". It just invalidates all his reads. Scum Risen could literally say any read he wanted to for no reason and he would get away with it.He had a unreasoned scumread on Vivax that he never pushed. That is a clear association that doesn't make sense from a town perspective. Add to that everything else he's done that doesn't make sense from anyone thinking about the game. Show nested quote +On August 18 2013 01:30 s0Lstice wrote:
what is he saying?
also...Chrom have you thought some more about the Risen v Xatalos stuff I was telling you about earlier? I did, and I don't think it's alignment indicative. I can't see the PMs in question, so I don't know exactly what made you think that Risen forgot about the Vivax lynch, but I think it could very easily be Risen just assuming that Vivax was done for, instead of actually forgetting. He just really wants to push Xat, so he sends out the PMs, assuming that everyone would understand he was talking about tomorrow (given that Vivax is already dead). And then he sends out the second round just to make sure everyone knew.
yup pretty much. he's really hard to read because of how erratic he is.
So to make this public knowledge, Risen PMed me after Vivax made his claim thing saying he wanted to lynch Xatalos. This is shortly after posting in the thread something along the lines of Xatalos=bad. He then immediately sent a PM after saying 'oh oops nevermind we gotta lynch Vivax today.' Scum Risen knows Vivax is on his team, and hence would be pretty concerned with what side of this issue he ends up on. Why would he rock the boat like this as scum and muddy the waters after already being on the correct side of the Vivax wagon? How does this action improve his situation? It's crazy as town too, but the flakiness and carelessness of the action makes the town side a lot more likely.
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On August 18 2013 01:49 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2013 01:47 Xatalos wrote:On August 18 2013 01:45 Chromatically wrote:On August 18 2013 01:33 Xatalos wrote:
To get back to the actual game.......
I think it's safest to lynch Sharrant now. Even if there's a small chance of being framed, miller etc.... It's just pretty unlikely. AND Sharrant hasn't really done anything in addition to using(?) his role. It's simply starting to look like this was some sort of scum powerplay.
And johnnywup should be shot tonight.
Unless there's some sort of penalty to town for what Mocsta did? Dunno. Gotta wait for hosts to make a judgement call I guess. What do you think about the "even day HP check" thing? Possible, even though somewhat odd. I guess we'll see the truth once he flips. ha I think he's the second best lynch because of the unlikeliness of Mocsta framed/miller, but I think the scenario where he's scum is fairly unlikely too.
I think we'll just have to lynch Sharrant now. Mocsta's actions have made it pretty likely a fake claim and we can't really trust him anymore (it's not helping that he keeps posting small posts here and there without really participating in the discussion - or his odd PM silence yesterday). Him flipping scum would also somewhat redeem Risen and implicate Acro. It really just makes sense to lynch him now.
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On August 18 2013 01:53 s0Lstice wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2013 01:43 Chromatically wrote:On August 18 2013 01:20 s0Lstice wrote:On August 18 2013 01:10 Chromatically wrote:On August 18 2013 01:02 s0Lstice wrote:On August 18 2013 00:50 Chromatically wrote:Lynch Risen today? In addition to everything I said yesterday, there's the Vivax association. Risen calls Vivax a scumread in PMs, but doesn't have coherent reasons for it (scum don't want to read their scumbuddies). And, he never pushes Vivax in thread and only consolidates onto the vote when the lynch is clear.
As far as Sharrant goes, what do you think about this?
So your idea is that Sharrant, before bussing his scumbuddy yamato, FAKECLAIMED cop to Acro to ask for his opinion? And he was just going to hope that Acro suggested yamato, so that way he could LIE and say he was checking kush, before actually bussing yamato???
I think this is highly unlikely if Sharrant is scum. It's a dumb move for town, but I can't see scum doing this with a town Acro. Maybe it's a big play where they're both scum, but that's just unnecessary. I also don't see why scum would invent the "HP check even days". I agree that it's unlikely that Mocsta was framed, but I think it's less likely that Sharrant is faking all of this. Obviously irrelevant if he flips miller. Yes, I agree that it would be pretty outrageous from a scum Sharrant and town Acro point of view. I don't think it would be that crazy if they were both scum. Scum do what they think will make them win. Anyway, I don't really love pre-flip connections. The bolded isn't entirely true. Risen voted and said the lynch was Vivax right around when I did, and I was at the very beginning of the wagon. He didn't push it all that hard, but to say he consolidated when it was clear isn't entirely right. I'm not a fan of preflip connections either, but this isn't one. I don't see a reason for Sharrant to do this as scum either way, It's possible, but there's just no benefit. That's true, I was going from memory on "lynch in the clear". The main point is that he had a large scumread on Vivax ("#1"), but he never pushed it in-thread, even when he was on the lynch. He voted SnB and Sharrant before actually voting Vivax. Hmm. I do agree that it isn't the likely scenario on Sharrant. I would really feel a lot better though if I had any sort of notion that he cared about the game outside of his checks. On Risen, I think he was super unsure. It's just like the s&b discussion earlier. His vote and his interests are all over the place, and he will be pushing multiple things in a short period of time. Really difficult to say as we would typically that this guy is scum for not pushing his #1 scum read, because what does #1 scum read really mean for Risen if it lasts all of 5 minutes? If we really assume that Risen changes his reads every 5 minutes, then it'll be impossible to tell if he's scum. Any time he has a read contradiction, someone can say "he does that as town too". It just invalidates all his reads. Scum Risen could literally say any read he wanted to for no reason and he would get away with it.He had a unreasoned scumread on Vivax that he never pushed. That is a clear association that doesn't make sense from a town perspective. Add to that everything else he's done that doesn't make sense from anyone thinking about the game. On August 18 2013 01:30 s0Lstice wrote:
what is he saying?
also...Chrom have you thought some more about the Risen v Xatalos stuff I was telling you about earlier? I did, and I don't think it's alignment indicative. I can't see the PMs in question, so I don't know exactly what made you think that Risen forgot about the Vivax lynch, but I think it could very easily be Risen just assuming that Vivax was done for, instead of actually forgetting. He just really wants to push Xat, so he sends out the PMs, assuming that everyone would understand he was talking about tomorrow (given that Vivax is already dead). And then he sends out the second round just to make sure everyone knew. yup pretty much. he's really hard to read because of how erratic he is. So to make this public knowledge, Risen PMed me after Vivax made his claim thing saying he wanted to lynch Xatalos. This is shortly after posting in the thread something along the lines of Xatalos=bad. He then immediately sent a PM after saying 'oh oops nevermind we gotta lynch Vivax today.' Scum Risen knows Vivax is on his team, and hence would be pretty concerned with what side of this issue he ends up on. Why would he rock the boat like this as scum and muddy the waters after already being on the correct side of the Vivax wagon? How does this action improve his situation? It's crazy as town too, but the flakiness and carelessness of the action makes the town side a lot more likely.
....................... Sigh. Risen, are you just stupid or an unbelievably chaotic scum?
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On August 18 2013 01:53 s0Lstice wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2013 01:43 Chromatically wrote:On August 18 2013 01:20 s0Lstice wrote:On August 18 2013 01:10 Chromatically wrote:On August 18 2013 01:02 s0Lstice wrote:On August 18 2013 00:50 Chromatically wrote:Lynch Risen today? In addition to everything I said yesterday, there's the Vivax association. Risen calls Vivax a scumread in PMs, but doesn't have coherent reasons for it (scum don't want to read their scumbuddies). And, he never pushes Vivax in thread and only consolidates onto the vote when the lynch is clear.
As far as Sharrant goes, what do you think about this?
So your idea is that Sharrant, before bussing his scumbuddy yamato, FAKECLAIMED cop to Acro to ask for his opinion? And he was just going to hope that Acro suggested yamato, so that way he could LIE and say he was checking kush, before actually bussing yamato???
I think this is highly unlikely if Sharrant is scum. It's a dumb move for town, but I can't see scum doing this with a town Acro. Maybe it's a big play where they're both scum, but that's just unnecessary. I also don't see why scum would invent the "HP check even days". I agree that it's unlikely that Mocsta was framed, but I think it's less likely that Sharrant is faking all of this. Obviously irrelevant if he flips miller. Yes, I agree that it would be pretty outrageous from a scum Sharrant and town Acro point of view. I don't think it would be that crazy if they were both scum. Scum do what they think will make them win. Anyway, I don't really love pre-flip connections. The bolded isn't entirely true. Risen voted and said the lynch was Vivax right around when I did, and I was at the very beginning of the wagon. He didn't push it all that hard, but to say he consolidated when it was clear isn't entirely right. I'm not a fan of preflip connections either, but this isn't one. I don't see a reason for Sharrant to do this as scum either way, It's possible, but there's just no benefit. That's true, I was going from memory on "lynch in the clear". The main point is that he had a large scumread on Vivax ("#1"), but he never pushed it in-thread, even when he was on the lynch. He voted SnB and Sharrant before actually voting Vivax. Hmm. I do agree that it isn't the likely scenario on Sharrant. I would really feel a lot better though if I had any sort of notion that he cared about the game outside of his checks. On Risen, I think he was super unsure. It's just like the s&b discussion earlier. His vote and his interests are all over the place, and he will be pushing multiple things in a short period of time. Really difficult to say as we would typically that this guy is scum for not pushing his #1 scum read, because what does #1 scum read really mean for Risen if it lasts all of 5 minutes? If we really assume that Risen changes his reads every 5 minutes, then it'll be impossible to tell if he's scum. Any time he has a read contradiction, someone can say "he does that as town too". It just invalidates all his reads. Scum Risen could literally say any read he wanted to for no reason and he would get away with it.He had a unreasoned scumread on Vivax that he never pushed. That is a clear association that doesn't make sense from a town perspective. Add to that everything else he's done that doesn't make sense from anyone thinking about the game. On August 18 2013 01:30 s0Lstice wrote:
what is he saying?
also...Chrom have you thought some more about the Risen v Xatalos stuff I was telling you about earlier? I did, and I don't think it's alignment indicative. I can't see the PMs in question, so I don't know exactly what made you think that Risen forgot about the Vivax lynch, but I think it could very easily be Risen just assuming that Vivax was done for, instead of actually forgetting. He just really wants to push Xat, so he sends out the PMs, assuming that everyone would understand he was talking about tomorrow (given that Vivax is already dead). And then he sends out the second round just to make sure everyone knew. yup pretty much. he's really hard to read because of how erratic he is. So to make this public knowledge, Risen PMed me after Vivax made his claim thing saying he wanted to lynch Xatalos. This is shortly after posting in the thread something along the lines of Xatalos=bad. He then immediately sent a PM after saying 'oh oops nevermind we gotta lynch Vivax today.' Scum Risen knows Vivax is on his team, and hence would be pretty concerned with what side of this issue he ends up on. Why would he rock the boat like this as scum and muddy the waters after already being on the correct side of the Vivax wagon? How does this action improve his situation? It's crazy as town too, but the flakiness and carelessness of the action makes the town side a lot more likely.
That's pretty wifom. He could not have checked his qt, vivax could not have discussed the claim in his qt etc.
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I have to wonder, though... If Sharrant and Vivax are both scum, why did Vivax push for Sharrant yesterday? That would mean that this scumteam has been INCREDIBLY bus-focused. Although Vivax didn't *really* push Sharrant, unlike Risen, so it could be just a soft bus without real meaning of getting him lynched.
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I dunno, vivax pushed yamato and he turned out to be scum. Did he push anyone else this game?
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