Basterd Mini Mafia - Page 46

On July 03 2013 00:11 marvellosity wrote:
He is now -.-

On July 03 2013 00:09 WaveofShadow wrote:
Hai guise, I back.
Oats why do you think marv is scum?
I also disagree with this.

On July 01 2013 12:13 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Glad u asked .


pretty sure gumshoe is scum

All gumshoe has done is look for miniscule things that he can label piggybacker/flip-flopper/etc...

And he's calling people out a bunch because of activity issues just because they leave the thread for a bit. Look @ all of these posts:I mean, look @ this last post. How are those the only options? How about "He's doing something unrelated to the game on a Sunday Afternoon"? He's trying to cast suspicion based on stuff that are outside the realm of the game. Like what does he mean by someone gave me a heads up once the heat built up? Is he implying that I wasn't following the game thread but I was following the scum thread and someone there told me I need to go post?

Also look @ that 2nd post where he says "the pressure put on Stutters wasn't necessarily meant to secure a vote on him, it was there to push Stutters to react and force sides.". But that wasn't really what he said when he was supecting stutters earlier
It only became about pressuring stutters after the fact because gumshoe was pushing his "Stutters left the thread because he was scum and couldn't handle the pressure" agenda.


And lastly, since I know I'm town (I know that no one else can know this but I'm giving my own reasons) and there are 3 people voting me. Odds are that 1 of em is scum since I'd imagine they'd want to spread their vote around.

vote: gumshoe

Thats because the pressure put on Stutters wasn't necessarily meant to secure a vote on him, it was there to push Stutters to react and force sides. Instead Stutters backed off until the heat blew over, I dont believe for a second that he just happened to leave for half a day right after people started putting pressure on him,this is what I find inherently scummy about his play

My issue is he takes off after pressure turns on him, he stops contributing in hopes of saving himself, that strikes me as a noob scum messing up and trying to wait out the pressure

On July 01 2013 03:59 WaveofShadow wrote:
lol speaking of Rayn grasping at straws, (somebody mentioned that earlier..?) I certainly love his case on me.
For a guy who talks a lot about towny perspectives, he doesn't even remotely consider the fact that me saying I have nothing to say can be from a towny perspective at all, cause, you know, I had nothing to say at the time. The contradiction he comes up with is not a contradiction at all in my eyes, but I guess we'll have to agree to disagree, right?

I also especially love how hard he pushes me as his main scumread.
I'm still not convinced that he is scum though and I want to look closer when I get the chance at his very recent scumgame as compared to something like CC.

Stutters I was thinking of unvoting you but your recent post gives me pause. You just look so afraid to take a stance on anything. C'est scummy.

Ladies and gents I'm out until later tonight; kid is at the grandparents for the night and you can sure as hell bet I'm not spending free time with the wife at the computer.

Wat is this waffly shit? So no read on me, he thinks Vivax looks bad but ACTUALLY I don't want to kill him, and the tone of that last sentence makes me laugh. 'Guys we should probably kill JarJar, if that's ok with you........' Maybe that's me reading into it a bit too much but there's a difference between 'We need to kill JJD right now.' and 'We really should kill JarJar......' Its those damn ellipses or something.
Yeah I'd defs lynch Lazer atm.

On July 02 2013 11:25 WaveofShadow wrote:
Players I want to look into/talk to when I get the chance:
Marv - I find personal interaction with him to be the best way I get a read of him; I don't know what his scum game looks like so I'm still kind of wary about him.
Fuba - His townplay was really strong in Roulette and I see bits and pieces of it here but his lack of activity muddled it up somewhat, and it's different than the lack of activity he exhibited in Roulette. In that game he came in strong and performed strong analysis when necessary....here there was much more fluff to his posting that rubs me the wrong way amidst the good posts.
Stutters - Still think he's scum. His performance is a lot better than the half of the game I was there for but there's still stuff like this:

Never gives the aforementioned reads and his 'case' on Fuba is incredibly weak and only points out the glaringly obvious that many had pointed out earlier. The conclusion makes sense somewhat as I agree that Fuba's regular analysis was lacking here and all the conclusions he reaches amount to 'I'm not sure',' but it's not much of a case and I could see it as a bus.
Then Vivax comes in and critiques the case a little and what happens?

Immediately ready to drop it and push it to the backburner instead of coming back and trying to push it more strongly. This is not a towny who has a strong scumread, this is scum who was hoping he could do some weak analysis and then jump on sheep someone else.

OK. Rayne's kinda convinced me that he's town over the last few pages. I think he's legit pissed @ oats. I'd prefer not lynching rayn (though if I have to vote him to save myself I obviously will).

I laid out my case against Solstice already. He'd be my preferred lynch today.

On July 03 2013 00:10 WaveofShadow wrote:

Why would you do this now when discussion leaned towards revealing at the start of D2?
Do you think you're a target tonight?

On July 03 2013 00:04 gumshoe wrote:


1:This is effectively you saying you have found Razors null/posting scummy, but doing it an uber passive way. I find this scummy/shiit flinging without the effort. Sue me of you dont.

2:Regarding the timing of my absence, at the time of my leaving you asked me





Does this sound accusatory? At my time of leaving I assumed we were on fine terms, this means that my absence is nothing like stutters because I left when there was no heat on me. It's also not like yours because I did not pop up as a case formed on me, which means I was not actively not contributing. Also I told everyone I was leaving for the day, and you took the opportunity to pounce. You've started a case because I announced I was leaving and then called me a hypocrite because you started a case and I was gone... Also sorry about the vote, Canada day eh / : my absence is nothing like yours or Stutters just like Marv's is not like yours or stutters.

On July 03 2013 00:18 Stutters695 wrote:
Any red emphasis is mine

Well WoS's most recent post has me thinking he might be scum.

I'm literally WoS' only scum-read this game. He jumps on my wagon and sheeps Vivax and Rayn (with his only unique reasoning being that I didn't feel like translating his worthless posts in French because I was phone posting).

He twice emphasizes his doubt of my wagon by virtue of four people already being on it.

BUT WAIT

He literally hasn't taken a stance on anything to this point and waffled on me because the wagon was too easy when thats literally the exact same thing he said my most recent post was scummy for.

After that he does his summary thing which shows no real analysis just worthless summaries of what we already know.


Worth noting though is he attacks Lazer for saying Vivax is scummy but he still wanted to lynch JJD because Vivax is active and although his tunneling felt scummy it isn't a scumtell of itself. Maybe I'm misinterpreting him, but half his points against Lazer are for using ellipses? Seriously. Also note despite saying he'd lynch him at this point, he doesn't mention Lazer again in his filter.

He follows that up with indecisive posts on Vivax and Rayn.

Finally his players he wants to look into post:



Marv - "I dont know so I'm going to look at him" very helpful
Fuba - Says the same thing I and multiple others have said. Notice that, once again, there is no conclusion only observations.
Me- Hey a definitive stance! On me again .

Here's why I think this is scummy.

First, obviously how non-committal he is while also using that as his sole point against me.
Second: Blatant misrepresentation.

I still maintain my case on Fuba is pretty damn strong, he still is doing exactly what I laid out. That one is subjective though, whatever. "Never gives the aforementioned reads": This one bugs me. He completely ignores that I agreed with Vivax's case AND provided additional information that helped to secure his lynch pre-claim. Obviously it was wrong and forced a claim which sucks, but that is taking a stance.

Notice how he also tries to pin promised reads on me when I said "I will read up on them later." Blatant misrepresentation to strengthen his case.

The last part of his post is taken completely out of the context of the thread to make me look worse. I was on the chopping block at that point and would have been mislynched through towns passivity. Vivax had been expressing his disagreement with my Fuba case for hours and we had town reads on each other. I needed to work with someone to find a good lynch to both stop my mislynch and maximize the odds of hitting scum.

On July 02 2013 15:06 Vivax wrote:
WoS wtf is this



You feel the need to defend yourself for something I found Vayne to be guilty of?

I'll have kinda limited time today, but WoS looks pretty bad to me. As Oats mentioned, his shit is unfocused and I don't really see a townie line of thinking forming from his reads, it's more like he comments on anything that could be construed as scummy, but without drawing conclusions while doing so. Plus, stuff like this



gives me the impression he takes a passive stance in the game. "Yeah talk to me if u want lolz else I won't be posting much". WoS is more proactive than this as town. Sure, he was busy and shit, but if this is his new activity, then he can be sure to have my breath in his neck next day. This looks like the kind of "Let me write a ton of shit and fuck off"-activity.

Finds a bunch of stuff scummy from one guy (Lazer), doesn't dig further into that guy but heads towards JJD while complaining about the miller discussion, then calls my post scummy.

In his final posts he mentions people he wants to look into, effectively leaving all his previous "analysis" inconcluded, then adds some more points against stutters. No sign of Lazer, who he said he would be voting for that post, or me, posting something that "screams" to WoS. Or JJD for that matter. All the scummy stuff he found but still no intention to show how the concerned people are scummy, only the intention to write a load of stuff.

Anyhow, will probably be back around deadline.

On July 03 2013 00:37 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Finding someones post not town-indicitive <> attacking that person. That's a huge leap to make.


This is just a complete misrepresentation of what happened. I had made my cases against you BEFORE any of the role stuff happened. I didn't take the opportunnity to pounce after you said you were leaving for the day. The majority of what I said was before that. Yes I reposted it for marv and then sure, I started it up again today while you were still gone. Are you saying that I shouldn't push my scumread because he disapeared for the day? I don't know how you can say you "assumed we were on fine terms" when we already had plenty of back and forth and I posted @ least 2 full cases against you.

On July 02 2013 23:30 JarJarDrinks wrote:

In fact, I relooked @ the piggyback accusation and check this out:

Here's my first post that he's referring to:
Am I really piggybacking? I acknowledge oats case barely and then give 3 of my own reasons for thinking rayne was scummy. And also I wasn't attacking lazer and I certainly wasn't associating them as if they were in league. And then again he mentions actvity by saying that I didn't comment on stutters long absence. Like, I commented on stutters actual posts. What could he possibly expect me to say about the fact that he wasn't posting?

On July 03 2013 01:00 marvellosity wrote:


gumshoe, I'm curious about what Jarjar picked up with the bolded. You attack Jarjar for groundlessly attacking Jarjar, when Jarjar had merely said he didn't see why Lazer should be a townread. Do you understand how that looks like you were grabbing and twisting at stuff? Or do you have a different explanation?

On July 03 2013 01:05 gumshoe wrote:


I believe scum would find passive aggressive ways to throw doubt on people. him saying "nothing in his posting looks townie"

is effectively him saying he looked through his filter, and found him null/scum. The tone of it sounded scum to me though because of the sort of double pronged(associating rayne and lazer) passive way it came across.