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Oatsmaster
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marvellosity
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On July 02 2013 20:02 Oatsmaster wrote: also flavor is tailored to each role Don't see how flavour is relevant; I assume before whatever shenannies happened every single role had attached fluff (including fakeclaims / one not present). Anyways I'll muse this claim thing over when I'm not at work and so staring into the distance for 5-10 minutes won't get me noticed ^_^ | ||
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Oatsmaster
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Like if your name isnt in the OP, people think you scum. Therefore all names in the game are in the OP. Yeah massclaim at the end of the night is what I think. | ||
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marvellosity
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Oatsmaster
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Doesnt really matter, just after the night actions. What are the downsides other than it outs our blues? | ||
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marvellosity
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On July 02 2013 20:37 Oatsmaster wrote: well I meant day 2, sunrise. Doesnt really matter, just after the night actions. What are the downsides other than it outs our blues? That's pretty much the downside. | ||
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Oatsmaster
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marvellosity
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On July 01 2013 07:00 mkfuba07 wrote: Vivax's first post after returning actually had a really good point in it. Not that what marv did was scummy, but that the miller claim definitely can't be taken as a town tell now. Rayn followed that post with this: "No it's not. Fakeclaiming miller 5min into the game is dumb and unnecessary as scum and if someone was dumb enough to fakeclaim after marv we had a 50% chance to right out catch them by having them post the role PM first." I'm starting to see what oats was getting at, now. Rayn seems incapable of believing marv is scum, even though it's been shown that the claim is unreliable. Like, in that quote, while admitting the possibility of a fakeclaim, he refuses to believe it could be marv lying. -snip- Vivax: I like what he's said about rayn, wasn't impressed by marv's supposed scumminess for not posting his full role PM. That assumes that town marv would have naturally posted his role PM when claiming miller, something that I don't think is a natural inclination. The fact that he went into Carnival Cruise and found evidence of rayn's previous reactions to miller claims gives him some townie points. Overall, slight town, though he's apparently thinking about marv a lot, which I find strange given that marv hasn't really been here at all. rayn: After Vivax's marv post, I expected rayn to be less insistent on him being confirmed town. It would have been *much* easier for scum to fakeclaim miller in this situation than I thought, and I don't see how this isn't obvious from a town perspective. Add to that Vivax's case, where he points out that rayn accepts the existence of a miller at face value, and I'm pretty convinced. He's far too eager to accept the claim as truth, when it should now have little effect on the mind of a townie. My only reluctance to vote for him is his activity level, which I tend to associate with town. ##Vote: raynpelikoneet On July 02 2013 01:39 mkfuba07 wrote: And it would have been easier this game because every single person in the thread posted before we realized that millers should claim their names as well. Marv could *easily* have figured that out beforehand and gone with it since he knew he had a pre-game excuse for not posting for a while. The fact that you accepted the claim as just about 100% guaranteed so quickly, and then failed to realize the rest of this is what makes you so scummy. Am I to understand that the basis for your scumread on rayn is the idea that not posting my role PM makes my roleclaim more unreliable? I'm not entirely sure I understand this, given two millers in a game this size seems quite unlikely to start with. Do you think a mafia-marv in this scenario takes the risk of claiming miller straight off the bat, crossing my fingers as to regards role names, or am I hoping for a 1-for-1? Am I hoping to argue there are two millers? I'm asking all this because it seems like it's basically the only basis for your scumread on rayn. Is there anything else I'm missing? On July 02 2013 05:52 mkfuba07 wrote: rofl, it's because I think stutters is scum. My problem with the lynch is that I want to lynch rayn, which apparently isn't going to happen today, or stutters, who I'm surprised so many people have a town read on. It's not a "stupid fucking argument". Of course, if you didn't play in Roulette then you might not understand what I'm talking about, but there are contradictions between how he played then and how he's playing now that point towards him being scum. Unfortunately, as those contradictions center around his responses to me, others apparently don't find that compelling. I'm not really sure what your scumread on Stutters consists of; you twice mention he's playing like some townie from another game (Vayne in roulette...). It seems you think your case rests on your disagreements with the points he's made, but I'm not finding any significant narrative within those posts as to why he's actually mafia. Can you explain the contradictions + differences and why they make Stutters mafia? | ||
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Oatsmaster
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marvellosity
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Oatsmaster
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More thoughts and shit. | ||
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marvellosity
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On July 02 2013 06:05 s0Lstice wrote: I could do fuba though if its not stutters, that's not a bad lynch. ##vote mkfuba On July 02 2013 06:29 s0Lstice wrote: wife and kids are home. all things considered, I think fuba is a pretty decent lynch. I was nullish, but his more recent stuff looks bad news bears. let's stay put here. | ||
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JarJarDrinks
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On July 02 2013 15:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why is gumshoe most likely town? What about my case don't you like? (Especially the stuff about the mass claim).Okay so people who are most likely town: JarJar, Lazer, marv, Vivax, Oats, gumshoe Also, you think it's reasonable to assume that I'm town and there was no mafia were pushing my lynch yesterday? | ||
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Oatsmaster
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mkfuba07
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On July 02 2013 07:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: I buy Fuba's explanation. It could have come from him even if he was scum. The thing that bothers me is, as i have said, that he is changing my mind based on what you said. First Fuba understands my thought process, then you say something different, Fuba goes "yeah in addition to that rayn can't think marv is town just because he claimed 5min into D1". Like, what is his original thought process? If that is not the reason why did he originally thought i bought the claim as i posted right after i saw the claim? He has yet to explain that, he just has said "that's certainly not what rayn did". The difference was the extent to which I believed you find him town. At the beginning, my thought process was "townies can trust miller claims, he has shown his reasoning, I can believe town rayn believes that to be enough". Once vivax pointed out how much easier it would be to fakeclaim, the fact that your town read on marv, who had said nothing but "I'm miller" and "I've fakeclaimed miller before", was unphased made me feel strongly that your townread on him was much stronger than it should be. I'm really starting to doubt that scumread, though. Partially because of the events surrounding the lynch. Rayn seemed far more suspicious of me than of vayne. This is important because although my explanation of the time difference in the post was true, it could *easily* have been shrugged off. Despite this, he switches to vayne. I would expect scum to be more... self-conscious than this. True, if he's scum then he just switched from townie to townie, but it's the appearance behind it that makes me change my mind about him. I think scum rayn would have been more insistent on lynching a more emphasized scumread, because he knew he was lynching a townie either way. The other thing is some of the recent posts about rayn. This, in particular, feels like it's full of confirmation bias: On July 02 2013 15:48 Oatsmaster wrote: The first post is the tail portion of rayn's list post. He has four scumreads at the time (vivax, myself, WoS, and JJD). I assumed this is what he meant by "too much scumreads", not that he was overflowing with scumreads or something. The second post is about a day later, after a flip and I believe two claims (though I didn't check when those claims were). He's given some reasoning for doubting those original reads, and says he needs to reread stuff to reevaluate, because he finds almost everyone townie in some way. I don't see what's so strange about that since I did it probably about 3-4 times in Roulette.guys guys I see. If this doesnt wanna make you lynch rayn, nothing will. The reason I feel that is important is because that post popped out to me as wrong. Like, it completely supports the end result if you're already assuming that rayn is scum, but is otherwise misconstrued. It made me think about it myself and question if the one scumtell was enough to overpower the things that should be townie, like his activity/thread presence and his emotional response to being tunneled by vivax and oats (and then me, though I imagine I wasn't much pressure). That, with what happened around the lynch, make me relatively confident in a town rayn. | ||
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Oatsmaster
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mkfuba07
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On July 02 2013 08:00 Stutters695 wrote: Well I'm off work. Catching up since I missed multiple pages. Oh, and before I forget, is this another promise of action that you've neglected? | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36160 Posts
On July 02 2013 21:48 mkfuba07 wrote: Oh, and before I forget, is this another promise of action that you've neglected? Given I can think of at least one example you've played with Stutters before (LIX) and I know in that game it was brought up that Stutters does this as town all the time, why are you bringing this up here? | ||
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marvellosity
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Further I don't like how his vote was parked uselessly on JarJar at the end of the day (despite saying he was going to remove it as well). | ||
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Oatsmaster
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Further I don't like how his vote was parked uselessly on JarJar at the end of the day (despite saying he was going to remove it as well). this is town tell imo. Town dont really care where their votes end up and why not just vote for vayne anyway. | ||
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